RIDE THE LIGHTNING!

[MrH]

Big things are coming ™

[Morris Minor]

Big things are coming ™

[CaminoRacer]

[MrH]

The only album allowed in this thread.

Still trying to nail down the trade-in price on the Bolt.  Have the price of the Lightning already determined and the exact vehicle.  Hopefully I can lock it all up today and take delivery in the next few weeks when it shows up.

[SJ_GTI]

Unfortunately I don't think I can swing buying a used car on such short notice, but I am curious how much you get offered for the Bolt.

[MrH]

Unfortunately I don't think I can swing buying a used car on such short notice, but I am curious how much you get offered for the Bolt.

Not nearly as much as I had hoped.  They low balled me pretty bad at $23,500.  I was hoping for more like $27,000.  The bottom kind of fell out of the bottom for these.  My last offer was to split the difference at $25,250.

That's right near where Carvana, Vroom, etc put it.

- Edmunds has it around $26,700 for trade-in
- KBB has $25,200-$27,200
- Carvana is offering $25k cash
- Vroom is offering $25,800 cash

They know they have me in a bind though.  The sales tax savings of a $23,500 trade is about $1,645.  As long as they are that close to these offers, it's better for me to trade in.  They can immediately turn around and sell it to Vroom and make it back if they want.

[MrH]

Truck pricing is wild though.  6 months ago, these were going for over MSRP at a lot of dealers.  This is how far pricing has fallen since then.

MSRP + Destination this summer: $87,869

-$8500 MSRP reduction in July
-$7500 EV credit (eligible due to the MSRP drop)
-$7500 Ford cash credit to move remaining 2023 models
-$7500 dealer discount

That's $31k off from the summer.  Puts me right around $57k for a fully loaded, extended range Lariat trim.  I was trying to get a less loaded trim, but this is by far the best deal out there.

For comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar.  $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.

I was going to try and get the Flash trim, which has cloth seats, no sunroof, etc in 2024 so I could get the new heat pump, but it would be at least $10k more than this.  I'll take the range hit in the winter and all the extra luxury options for that kind of savings.

[Rich]

Cool!  What's going to go in the frunk?

[CaminoRacer]

For comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar.  $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.

WTF. Lariat is like a middle trim.

[GoCougs]

Not nearly as much as I had hoped.  They low balled me pretty bad at $23,500.  I was hoping for more like $27,000.  The bottom kind of fell out of the bottom for these.  My last offer was to split the difference at $25,250.

That's right near where Carvana, Vroom, etc put it.

- Edmunds has it around $26,700 for trade-in
- KBB has $25,200-$27,200
- Carvana is offering $25k cash
- Vroom is offering $25,800 cash

They know they have me in a bind though.  The sales tax savings of a $23,500 trade is about $1,645.  As long as they are that close to these offers, it's better for me to trade in.  They can immediately turn around and sell it to Vroom and make it back if they want.

If you feel they have you in a bind, why do it? Pretty much most all indications are the EV market is freefall.

[MrH]

Cool!  What's going to go in the frunk?

Frozen shrimp, of course.  Just as Ford intended



https://www.motor1.com/features/396609/ford-mustang-mach-e-shrimp/

[MrH]

WTF. Lariat is like a middle trim.

Lariat is one step below the highest.  Platinum is basically just a lariat with nicer leather and massaging seats.  XLT is the mid level that most people get.

[MrH]

If you feel they have you in a bind, why do it? Pretty much most all indications are the EV market is freefall.

Maybe "bind" is too strong of a word.  We're ultimately talking about $1,000 or so in a $57k truck purchase.  I can walk away if I want.

[CaminoRacer]

Lariat is one step below the highest.  Platinum is basically just a lariat with nicer leather and massaging seats.  XLT is the mid level that most people get.

I was looking at the ICE models. For the ICE truck it looks like King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, and Raptor are all higher than Lariat. So they're all $80k+ which is insane for a non-Raptor F-150.

[MrH]

I was looking at the ICE models. For the ICE truck it looks like King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, and Raptor are all higher than Lariat. So they're all $80k+ which is insane for a non-Raptor F-150.

Oh wow.  I just looked.  Didn't realize there are so many trims for the ICE version.

Lariat on the Lightning has nearly everything.  I'm guessing King Ranch and Limited are more just option package combinations of the Platinum with more special interiors?  It's nuts how different you can get F-150's.  Poverty spec vinyl bench seat or $100k massaging blue and white leather interior.

[AutobahnSHO]

I was looking at the ICE models. For the ICE truck it looks like King Ranch, Platinum, Limited, Tremor, and Raptor are all higher than Lariat. So they're all $80k+ which is insane for a non-Raptor F-150.

Ford laughs every time someone buys an over-priced truck..... As do GM and Ram. Gotta love the American male ego.

[Morris Minor]

Lariat is one step below the highest.  Platinum is basically just a lariat with nicer leather and massaging seats.  XLT is the mid level that most people get.

XLT = eXtra Large Testicles, hence being most people's choice.

[Rich]

At least you didn't get the Big Horny Ram.

[MrH]

Ok, deal is confirmed.

Truck should be here in the next few weeks we're guessing.  The basics of it:

2023 Lariat Extended Range (big boy battery)
- Carbonized Gray
- 511A Package is included in the extended range, so it gets BlueCruise, moonroof, etc

Only non-standard options are the mobile charger and a spray in bedliner.  The 2023 model year is not getting the cool scales in the bed that weigh what you're hauling (I think they're supply constrained on those) or the heat pump that's in the 2024s.

But I do get a few other things that are getting removed in 2024:
- Standard 9.6 kW onboard power (basically, all the outlets.  That's an add on feature next year)
- A huge 80 amp wall charger
- Dual chargers onboard so the 80 amp wall charger at home can charge at 19.6 kW if I install a big enough breaker to support it.

[AutobahnSHO]

Twinsies!!!! Our Mav is Carbonized grey- I really love it. It's pretty 'average'. Not too dark, not too light.

[MrH]

Twinsies!!!! Our Mav is Carbonized grey- I really love it. It's pretty 'average'. Not too dark, not too light.

Almost double the weight of a Maverick


Build date is the week of 11/27.  It's going to be close to take delivery before end of the year honestly.

[Laconian]

You're going to V2L this back to your breaker panel, aren't you?

[giant_mtb]

I find it odd that spray-in bedliners are not standard by now.

[MrH]

You're going to V2L this back to your breaker panel, aren't you?

No.  Definitely not the way Ford advertised when the truck launched.  They've had a lot of problems with it, and it costs like $10k to get setup.  Ford is quietly backing away from this idea.

I might see what the cost is for an electrician to add a generator input into my breaking panel, and then just run a cable from the onboard power in the bed to the breaker if the power goes out.  It could run the fridge and some basic lights, but not full HVAC and everything.

[MrH]

I find it odd that spray-in bedliners are not standard by now.

Yeah, can't believe they sell trucks with painted beds.  I figured most would just go to some sort of carbon reinforced plastic like Toyota is doing. That seems like the obvious answer.

[CaminoRacer]

I might see what the cost is for an electrician to add a generator input into my breaking panel, and then just run a cable from the onboard power in the bed to the breaker if the power goes out.  It could run the fridge and some basic lights, but not full HVAC and everything.

That's the way to do it, IMO. Keep it simple.

The gas stove/fireplace in my basement just plugs into the wall to run the igniter + fan. I'm gonna get an inverter for it, since I have 2 extra car batteries sitting around that I could use to run it if the power goes out. Same with the fridge, although we don't usually have that much in there.

[Morris Minor]

Jim Farley posted this. Great stuff.
https://twitter.com/jimfarley98/status/1726994929350525154

[AutobahnSHO]

I find it odd that spray-in bedliners are not standard by now.

They offer spray in or drop in for Mav. Then they stopped drop in.

Dealer messed ours up so it got sprayed locally. We didn't put ANYTHING in the bed before it got sprayed. The paint is so thin now (more environmentally friendly) we didn't want it scratched.

Some people just throw down carpets or rubber mats- seems very inadequate to me!

[veeman]

Truck pricing is wild though.  6 months ago, these were going for over MSRP at a lot of dealers.  This is how far pricing has fallen since then.

MSRP + Destination this summer: $87,869

-$8500 MSRP reduction in July
-$7500 EV credit (eligible due to the MSRP drop)
-$7500 Ford cash credit to move remaining 2023 models
-$7500 dealer discount

That's $31k off from the summer.  Puts me right around $57k for a fully loaded, extended range Lariat trim.  I was trying to get a less loaded trim, but this is by far the best deal out there.

For comparison, an ecoboost Lariat with similar options goes for around $72k according to TrueCar.  $15k delta between EV and ICE is hard for me to understand.

That's an awesome price. Congratulations! Full size EV luxury pickup for similar price as EV sedans/small SUVs. It is estimated Ford lost $36 thousand on every EV it sold in quarter 3 of this year.

https://insideevs.com/news/693626/ford-cuts-ev-investment-after-losing-36000-usd-every-ev-sold-q3/

[Laconian]

WTAF

$57k?!

I paid more for my EV6