Chris V's Miata thread got me thinking. When he asked if he should buy a sweet looking N3 Miata, every respondent said "Hell Yeah" or something to that effect. And that, I find, is somewhat remarkable.
After all, this board has hosted some heated debates over the years. Democrat versus Republican, religious versus atheist, boxers versus briefs, Original Recipe versus Extra Crispy and so on. So, considering the wide spectrum of beliefs and opinions expressed here, I find it heartwarming there is something we can all agree on. Namely, the awesomeness of the Mazda MX-5 Miata.
But are there any others? Is there another car in existence worthy of a unanimous CarSPIN Seal of Approval? If so, what can it be?
Probably not.
The Miata is in a class all it's own with NO competition.
Besides, anyone who is an enthusiast should see the miata as one of the last/best option for the common everyman driving enthusiast.
E46 M3 & probably 1M
M5 not so much!
Mazda 3
GTI (except you know who!)
<---- This car
Here are my nominations:
Focus ST
Fiesta ST
M3/M4
S4
S5/RS5
R8
F-Type
Mazda 3
Mazda 6
Mustang/Camaro/Challenger (everyone loves one or the other or two or all three)
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 04:26:38 PM
Here are my nominations:
Focus ST
Fiesta ST
M3/M4
S4
S5/RS5
R8
F-Type
Mazda 3
Mazda 6
Mustang/Camaro/Challenger (everyone loves one or the other or two or all three)
I agree on all.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 04:26:38 PM
Mazda 3
Mazda 6
I don't adore the Mazda6, and I know the Mazda3 has at least one or two detractors on here as well.
Quote from: ifcar on November 12, 2014, 05:23:06 PM
I don't adore the Mazda6, and I know the Mazda3 has at least one or two detractors on here as well.
The only people who have anything bad to say about the 3 or 6 have never driven them. You may not adore the 6, but you do like it, right?
And just because one or two don't like a car doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. The overwhelming majority do. Take the Miata for example. I don't like it. I never have. But most enthusiasts love it and therefore, it is included.
If the new more aggressively styled Miata comes with the 2.5L, then I will finally be on board with that car.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
The only people who have anything bad to say about the 3 or 6 have never driven them. You may not adore the 6, but you do like it, right?
I believe 2o6 was a Mazda3 detractor after a test drive, but I could be remembering wrong. And fair, I do like the 6, just find it overrated. (The 2016 model with an upgraded interior should make the high-end versions a lot more competitive, too.)
That one "G" car :lol: and OUTBACK.
Lumina
SC400?
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 12, 2014, 07:29:10 PM
That one "G" car :lol: and OUTBACK.
G Car? You mean that Datsun that's pretending to be a BMW? Nope. :lol:
Quote from: ifcar on November 12, 2014, 05:45:07 PM
I believe 2o6 was a Mazda3 detractor after a test drive, but I could be remembering wrong. And fair, I do like the 6, just find it overrated. (The 2016 model with an upgraded interior should make the high-end versions a lot more competitive, too.)
2o6 doesn't count because his opinion is always the opposite of the overwhelming majority of enthusiasts.
I rented a Mazda 6 earlier this year. Assumed it was to be another yawn-a-mile appliance. Then, a few minutes out of the rental lot, I sat up and really took notice. Holy shit this is a superb car.
Quote from: Madman on November 12, 2014, 08:13:16 PM
This thread is for cars we all like, not cars we all hate! :nono:
Do you hate the SC400:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/SC400.jpg)
Or the SC430:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Lexus_SC_430_Tiger_Eye_Mica.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 08:13:30 PM
2o6 doesn't count because his opinion is always the opposite of the overwhelming majority of enthusiasts.
Fair.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 08:13:30 PM
2o6 doesn't count because his opinion is always the opposite of the overwhelming majority of enthusiasts.
:hesaid:
Yeah, we could do a separate thread about spacious and efficient hatchbacks for him. :lol:
Quote from: ifcar on November 12, 2014, 08:43:08 PM
Do you hate the SC400:
Or the SC430:
The difference in hate levels between those is negligible.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 05:40:55 PM
Take the Miata for example. I don't like it. I never have. But most enthusiasts love it and therefore, it is included.
Me and you are on the same page..........
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 12, 2014, 10:49:12 PM
Me and you are on the same page..........
Me three - try as I might the Miata makes zero sense to me...
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 12, 2014, 08:53:20 PM
The difference in hate levels between those is negligible.
What? Everyone liked the first gen SC, not that many people liked the second gen (I did, however)
Quote from: ifcar on November 12, 2014, 05:45:07 PM
I believe 2o6 was a Mazda3 detractor after a test drive, but I could be remembering wrong. And fair, I do like the 6, just find it overrated. (The 2016 model with an upgraded interior should make the high-end versions a lot more competitive, too.)
What? I liked it. It drives sharp and has a high quality interior and attractive pricing.
I just didn't think it was all that. (It's sharp, but not the damn second coming that the enthusiast crowd make it to be, and the interior accommodations are tight)
The Fiesta ST is the problem I have with the Mazda 3. A Mazda 3 equipped the way I would want it to be would be the same price as a Fiesta ST which is 1000% more engaging and has roughly the same interior space.
Quote from: Madman on November 12, 2014, 08:12:05 PM
G Car? You mean that Datsun that's pretending to be a BMW? Nope. :lol:
No, the one Cougs and Laconian and Morris all had...
Quote from: GoCougs on November 13, 2014, 12:36:31 AM
Me three - try as I might the Miata makes zero sense to me...
Go drive one. :huh:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Go drive one. :huh:
I like it, but it's a bit too refined for my taste in 2 seaters. Besides, the first time I tried to get into one I hit my head on the top of the windshield.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 12, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
Mazda 3
(Dart is a sharper drive, and although I don't think it's a bad car, I don't understand the love affair with it.)
GTI/GLI
Elise
MR2
NSX
MK1 Focus
Quote from: 2o6 on November 13, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
What? I liked it. It drives sharp and has a high quality interior and attractive pricing.
I just didn't think it was all that. (It's sharp, but not the damn second coming that the enthusiast crowd make it to be, and the interior accommodations are tight)
The Fiesta ST is the problem I have with the Mazda 3. A Mazda 3 equipped the way I would want it to be would be the same price as a Fiesta ST which is 1000% more engaging and has roughly the same interior space.
No it doesn't. The Fiesta ST is tiny inside. The Mazda 3 is virtually the same size inside as my G37.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 13, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
No it doesn't. The Fiesta ST is tiny inside. The Mazda 3 is virtually the same size inside as my G37.
I said roughly.
And the G37 isn't that roomy either....
Listen, you like it. That's great. I don't see the hype.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Go drive one. :huh:
I don't fit. I have a long torso and the windshield header is directly in my line of vision.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 13, 2014, 10:10:22 AM
I said roughly.
And the G37 isn't that roomy either....
Listen, you like it. That's great. I don't see the hype.
So, you're wrong.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 13, 2014, 10:11:50 AM
So, you're wrong.
No. A lot of people, reviews included, have complained about the tight interior.
I don't understand why saying a car is small inside makes you so damn bothered.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 12, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
The only people who have anything bad to say about the 3 or 6 have never driven them. You may not adore the 6, but you do like it, right?
Not true. I dislike the interior, especially the screen sitting on the dash like a wart on a woman's face, owned an 06 and have driven a new one. That alone would move me to the 6.
Singer 911
{throws down mic}
Quote from: SVT666 on November 13, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
I don't fit. I have a long torso and the windshield header is directly in my line of vision.
Tilt the seat back :huh:
So for everyone who isn't freakishly tall, no one who has been in the driverseat of a Miata doesn't want one.
(New one is going to rock the sales unbelievably- many people don't get them because they've looked "too girlie".)
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2014, 02:32:29 PM
Tilt the seat back :huh:
Do you honestly think I didn't try that?
Quote from: SVT666 on November 13, 2014, 02:50:01 PM
Do you honestly think I didn't try that?
:huh: You're cuckoo enough to not like Miatas, so why would I assume you're crazy enough to not tilt the seat back :lol:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2014, 04:02:02 PM
:huh: You're cuckoo enough to not like Miatas, so why would I assume you're crazy enough to not tilt the seat back :lol:
I don't like the Miata because I can't see through the windshield.
Floor mounted seat broski
Quote from: 68_427 on November 13, 2014, 05:41:33 PM
Floor mounted seat broski
Just put a little padding on the carpet.
I don't think it's possible to agree on all cars. I can't stand some of the ones you guys love.
I'm pretty sure the closest we would ever get to all agreeing on something would be the miata or maybe the atom. The rest have too much competition that leads to too much subjective preferences.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-i6ScvnDLCSs/TcRxzdLcSSI/AAAAAAAAAps/CIzl3NA-kik/s1600/38+Type+57SC+Atlantic.jpg)
Go ahead. Somebody disagree.
1974 Dodge Monaco
Everyone here hates it! Except me! :rockon: :praise:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 13, 2014, 07:21:57 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-i6ScvnDLCSs/TcRxzdLcSSI/AAAAAAAAAps/CIzl3NA-kik/s1600/38+Type+57SC+Atlantic.jpg)
Go ahead. Somebody disagree.
I disagree.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 13, 2014, 10:05:15 AM
(Dart is a sharper drive, and although I don't think it's a bad car, I don't understand the love affair with it.)
GTI/GLI
Elise
MR2
NSX
MK1 Focus
I, surprisingly, agree with your list. Some reservations about the current gen GLI however.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 13, 2014, 06:03:27 PM
I don't think it's possible to agree on all cars. I can't stand some of the ones you guys love.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 13, 2014, 06:30:09 PM
I'm pretty sure the closest we would ever get to all agreeing on something would be the miata or maybe the atom. The rest have too much competition that leads to too much subjective preferences.
Not that tough I think. I like/respect a lot of cars. I do prefer BMWs (obviously!) but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate lots of other makes and models.
I think we should add the S2000 to the list.
El Camino, obviously.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 13, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
I don't like the Miata because I can't see through the windshield.
I don't care for the miata because they are always so damn slow, I want some punch in the right pedal.
Quote from: SVT32V on November 14, 2014, 06:22:28 AM
I don't care for the miata because they are always so damn slow, I want some punch in the right pedal.
:golfclap:
Quote from: SVT32V on November 14, 2014, 06:22:28 AM
I don't care for the miata because they are always so damn slow, I want some punch in the right pedal.
I can see where you're coming from, issue is that others with punch lose it during the corners. Miata keeps right pedal in the down position.
I've never heard of anyone say anything bad about the Porsche Boxter or Porsche Cayman. I don't think anyone who posts on this forum owns one though.
I really haven't seen anyone rag on Accord sedans, either in 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder form.
Although not talked about much, I've never seen anyone dislike a Toyota Tacoma.
I dont like to come to a consensus just for the sake of coming to a consensus.
Never been a fan of the A5/S5/RS5 or the R8. x5's back seat is useless, and it doesn't look good. I am also thinking it might be HEAVIER than the x4, making it completely redundant. I saw an R8 at one of my old jobs. It was too wide. I also think it's too heavy. Struggling to come up with a reason to get one over a 911.
Speaking of 911s, that's a must. Tons of heritage, value, and variety. Great street AND track car, decent enough looking, in comfy company with anything from a 458 Speciale to a GT-R depending on which one you choose. Easily my favorite car and a "must agree".
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 14, 2014, 12:18:40 AM
I think we should add the S2000 to the list.
2.2L only, 2.0 is a dog on the small cam.
Did you really just try to shorten the S5's name by putting x5? :lol:
Quote from: SVT32V on November 14, 2014, 06:22:28 AM
I don't care for the miata because they are always so damn slow, I want some punch in the right pedal.
Yeah I'd want a turbo or V8 swap.
Quote from: veeman on November 14, 2014, 07:28:02 AM
I've never heard of anyone say anything bad about the Porsche Boxter or Porsche Cayman. I don't think anyone who posts on this forum owns one though.
I really haven't seen anyone rag on Accord sedans, either in 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder form.
Although not talked about much, I've never seen anyone dislike a Toyota Tacoma.
I can agree to those.
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 14, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Did you really just try to shorten the S5's name by putting x5? :lol:
Faster than A5/S5/RS5
S4 is solid though. Hoping they go with a hot V turbo on the V6 next go round, just cause. Not a fan of AWD either but it's a good car, can't take that away from it.
Quote from: veeman on November 14, 2014, 07:28:02 AM
I've never heard of anyone say anything bad about the Porsche Boxter or Porsche Cayman. I don't think anyone who posts on this forum owns one though.
I really haven't seen anyone rag on Accord sedans, either in 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder form.
Although not talked about much, I've never seen anyone dislike a Toyota Tacoma.
Boxsters I like. A Cayman, for what it is, is admirable enough. As for the others mentioned, most people don't talk much about their refrigerators either. :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 14, 2014, 01:58:25 PM
Never been a fan of the A5/S5/RS5 or the R8. x5's back seat is useless, and it doesn't look good. I am also thinking it might be HEAVIER than the x4, making it completely redundant.
Doesn't look good? Yeah, ooooookay.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/2012_Audi_RS5_near_the_Elephant_Rock_in_the_Valley_of_Fire.jpg)
QuoteI saw an R8 at one of my old jobs. It was too wide. I also think it's too heavy. Struggling to come up with a reason to get one over a 911.
Too wide? It's only 2" wider than the 911 and 1.25" narrower than a Ferrari 458.
What a horribly wide vehicle. :nono:
(http://pullzone1.silodrome.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Jaguar-XK120.jpg)
Now, who could disagree?
(http://www.cars-data.com/pictures/daihatsu/daihatsu-rocky-wagon_590_2.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on November 14, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
Doesn't look good? Yeah, ooooookay.
In any case, it comes in behind the M3/C63.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 14, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
In any case, it comes in behind the M3/C63.
Not in my books.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 14, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
(http://pullzone1.silodrome.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Jaguar-XK120.jpg)
Now, who could disagree?
Not me.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 14, 2014, 06:24:57 PM
U live in Iceland tho
All the better to luv Quattro goodness.
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2001-pontiac-aztek_100028861_m.jpg)
Agree to disagree?
Nah those are cool. Like a plus size Outback
Quote from: 68_427 on November 14, 2014, 08:31:23 PM
Nah those are cool. Like a plus size Outback
No. No. Nothing like a plus sized Outback. Everything like a minivan made uglier and less useful, while having no tangible, or intangible advantages.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 14, 2014, 08:31:23 PM
Nah those are cool. Like a plus size Outback
With shit transmissions and leaking gaskets
Quote from: 2o6 on November 14, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
With shit transmissions and leaking gaskets
Sounds like an Outback to me :lol:
Quote from: veeman on November 14, 2014, 07:28:02 AM
I've never heard of anyone say anything bad about the Porsche Boxter or Porsche Cayman. I don't think anyone who posts on this forum owns one though.
I had a 987 Boxster S. It was a great car. Sharper handling, quicker, more comfortable, better protection from the elements with the top down, et al than my Z4. But I don't see myself choosing a Boxster over the Z4. The Z4's just more fun, rawer.
Saw a new Boxster today. Damn, why are small cars so big now? It felt like it towered over my car when I pulled alongside.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 14, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
Doesn't look good? Yeah, ooooookay.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/2012_Audi_RS5_near_the_Elephant_Rock_in_the_Valley_of_Fire.jpg)
Too wide? It's only 2" wider than the 911 and 1.25" narrower than a Ferrari 458.
Goddamn, that's a gorgeous car.
Only problem with the Audi lineup is that they looked great 4-5 years ago and they still do, but it's no longer fresh and exciting. They desperately need to move on.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 14, 2014, 02:17:36 PM
Boxsters I like. A Cayman, for what it is, is admirable enough. As for the others mentioned, most people don't talk much about their refrigerators either. :huh:
We do have two subforums devoted to mainstreamers and trucks. Someone or another makes a disparaging comment about a Camry, probably the most appliance like of all vehicles, pretty much daily on this forum.
The Accord, on the other hand, is almost never disparaged although some have commented that it is getting rather bloated through the generations. Still, for the most part, it's a pretty much universally respected car.
People talk about pickup trucks all the time on this forum?! I've never heard anyone say anything bad about a Tacoma.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 14, 2014, 08:37:03 PM
No. No. Nothing like a plus sized Outback. Everything like a minivan made uglier and less useful, while having no tangible, or intangible advantages.
The ability to piss off random strangers just by your presence is always an intangible advantage.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 15, 2014, 02:00:47 AM
The ability to piss off random strangers just by your presence is always an intangible advantage.
I don't need any help with that ability.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2014, 03:03:17 AM
I don't need any help with that ability.
You don't
need a heated steering wheel or bluetooth either, do you?
Singer 911 hnnggggg.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 15, 2014, 04:49:07 AM
Singer 911 hnnggggg.
Of course.
But probably we could agree on ANY 911.
Some kid (like a 20 year old) in my neighborhood just got a bright blue 981 Cayman S. It is sooooooooo nice
Who can speak out against the Boxster/Cayman combo?
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 15, 2014, 07:30:45 AM
Some kid (like a 20 year old) in my neighborhood just got a bright blue 981 Cayman S. It is sooooooooo nice
Who can speak out against the Boxster/Cayman combo?
Raza did last page.. Not speaking out against per se but noting why there are better cars (for the money). I knew an older American when I was in Germany (2001-2004), who had lifelong dream to buy a Porsche. Ended up with a Z4, he drove both and just said it was a better car for the money.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 14, 2014, 08:29:52 PM
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2001-pontiac-aztek_100028861_m.jpg)
Agree to disagree?
If you need the hugest trunk known to man in a 5seat "crossover", it is an acceptable choice.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 15, 2014, 08:38:30 AM
If you need the hugest trunk known to man in a 5seat "crossover", it is an acceptable choice.
Only if it makes you feel like Walter White.
Quote from: ifcar on November 12, 2014, 08:43:08 PM
Do you hate the SC400:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/SC400.jpg)
Or the SC430:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Lexus_SC_430_Tiger_Eye_Mica.jpg)
Fair.
The first one isn't exactly my cup of tea, but I don't hate it. It was an impressive car for it's time, although grossly overpriced, IMO.
The second one is an embarrassment to Toyota and to anyone clueless enough to pay good money for it. It's hard to believe a leading manufacturer could make a car so comically bad. It's as if some hard-up Chinese company deliberately set out to make a Mercedes SL copy using cast-off 1980s-vintage Korean materials.
Quote from: Madman on November 15, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
The first one isn't exactly my cup of tea, but I don't hate it. It was an impressive car for it's time, although grossly overpriced, IMO.
The second one is an embarrassment to Toyota and to anyone clueless enough to pay good money for it. It's hard to believe a leading manufacturer could make a car so comically bad. It's as if some hard-up Chinese company deliberately set out to make a Mercedes SL copy using cast-off 1980s-vintage Korean materials.
I wouldn't say it copies anything -- it just looks terrible.
Girl in my high school got one of these her junior year. Just to speak to the kind of people who bought these things
Quote from: ifcar on November 15, 2014, 08:40:21 PM
I wouldn't say it copies anything -- it just looks terrible.
The SC430 was clearly a shameless ripoff of the R129 Mercedes Benz SL. The SC430's designer obviously held a blurry photocopy of the Mercedes up to a funhouse mirror in order to achieve the SC's dumpy, misshapen exterior but the tell-tale influences are still there. Stick a three-pointed star on the nose and you'd be forgiven for assuming this was a rejected SL styling proposal, turned in by a rookie designer moments before getting fired and being escorted off the premises by Mercedes Benz security.
Yes, it is THAT bad!!!
One cannot disagree.
(http://api.ning.com/files/VxMHw93KRN*-AB48X5kW9j3Q8vaaMNKigRZ6*hCIoeClOI-scR9LV5tN1Fvv5MDi4eq5jruct20VQ8ZYbA7hT4G7MMcNawWs/SpecEXR2.jpg)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2014, 10:03:58 PM
One cannot disagree.
(http://api.ning.com/files/VxMHw93KRN*-AB48X5kW9j3Q8vaaMNKigRZ6*hCIoeClOI-scR9LV5tN1Fvv5MDi4eq5jruct20VQ8ZYbA7hT4G7MMcNawWs/SpecEXR2.jpg)
Ugh, paddle shift. Might as well be a self driving EV.
Quote from: Raza on November 15, 2014, 10:27:31 PM
Ugh, paddle shift. Might as well be a self driving EV.
Heh, I was going to complain about the same thing. :lol:
Needs a rally car sequential clutchless shifting manual.
Cars that CANNOT be disagreed with:
911
GTI
I disagree with the 911.
I like many 911's. But not all of them. And right now I'd rather buy a cayman over any 911.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 16, 2014, 04:28:36 PM
What is it you don't like about the 911? Even the 996 is good IMO.
You know what? Some of them are just butt ugly. And overrated.
Now understand that overrated in no way = bad.
Quote from: Madman on November 15, 2014, 09:08:35 PM
The SC430 was clearly a shameless ripoff of the R129 Mercedes Benz SL. The SC430's designer obviously held a blurry photocopy of the Mercedes up to a funhouse mirror in order to achieve the SC's dumpy, misshapen exterior but the tell-tale influences are still there. Stick a three-pointed star on the nose and you'd be forgiven for assuming this was a rejected SL styling proposal, turned in by a rookie designer moments before getting fired and being escorted off the premises by Mercedes Benz security.
Yes, it is THAT bad!!!
Do you know what an R129 SL looks like?
A lot of 911s don't sound very good. Dunno why people say they do.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/1996_McLaren_F1.jpg)
Quote from: Galaxy on November 16, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/1996_McLaren_F1.jpg)
Nice car.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/eb55ef6571c18528cf9f958caba933679fc73ced/c=239-0-1656-1066&r=x1443&c=1920x1440/local/-/media/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/2014/11/17/635518140232411042-GT350-Shot-06.jpg)
:ohyeah:
Not sure about the mustang. Looked at one the other day and wasn't in love with it. Possible it could grow on me.
I felt the same way about the C7. And it never grew on me. As a matter if fact I now find it ugly.
Quote from: Galaxy on November 16, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/1996_McLaren_F1.jpg)
YES!
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 17, 2014, 09:15:21 AM
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/eb55ef6571c18528cf9f958caba933679fc73ced/c=239-0-1656-1066&r=x1443&c=1920x1440/local/-/media/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/2014/11/17/635518140232411042-GT350-Shot-06.jpg)
:ohyeah:
That looks awesome with the stripes.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 16, 2014, 04:28:36 PM
What is it you don't like about the 911? Even the 996 is good IMO.
I have just never liked them. The engine is in the wrong place, the styling hasn't changed much in 50 years, options are incredibly overpriced, it looks terrible as a vert., and if a Cayman had the same power, it would walk on a 911.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 09:58:24 AM
Not sure about the mustang. Looked at one the other day and wasn't in love with it. Possible it could grow on me.
I felt the same way about the C7. And it never grew on me. As a matter if fact I now find it ugly.
I kinda liked the C7 when it was released, but the first time I saw one on the road, it looked just like the C6 to me. I don't think it looks Ferrari-esque at all like a lot of people say.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 17, 2014, 10:14:41 AM
I have just never liked them. The engine is in the wrong place, the styling hasn't changed much in 50 years, options are incredibly overpriced, it looks terrible as a vert., and if a Cayman had the same power, it would walk on a 911.
Engine is in a great spot for launching and braking.
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 17, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
Engine is in a great spot for launching and braking.
Not corners. It took them 50 years to get the back end under control.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 09:58:24 AM
Not sure about the mustang. Looked at one the other day and wasn't in love with it. Possible it could grow on me.
I felt the same way about the C7. And it never grew on me. As a matter if fact I now find it ugly.
Well, that's a start.
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 17, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
Engine is in a great spot for launching and braking.
How well did that braking help the drivers back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when their 911's lost it because the engine is in the wrong place?
Quote from: SVT666 on November 17, 2014, 11:45:43 AM
Not corners. It took them 50 years to get the back end under control.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 11:59:25 AM
How well did that braking help the drivers back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when their 911's lost it because the engine is in the wrong place?
I didn't know this was a board full of pansies.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 11:59:25 AM
How well did that braking help the drivers back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when their 911's lost it because the engine is in the wrong place?
They go on about the 911s, especially of that era, needing special driving skills to get the best out of them. They, particulary, had an advantage in braking because the engine behind the rear wheels provided for more downforce on the rear wheels making them more useful in braking. It was largely a matter of the driver adjusting to this, braking hard and late into a corner and trying not to swing the ass out on the way out of the corner. Drivers who did not adjust, typically, ended up in the trees.
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 17, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
I didn't know this was a board full of pansies.
I'm an overal 911 fan. But they have problems like all cars. And I'd never jerk my dick over them like so many other people do. And they look like bullfrogs.
911s have unique driving characteristics, but aren't universally bad by any means. In fact, it's an advantage in a lot of things. They just need to be driven differently than your typical FR car.
Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.
I noticed that on the 2014 we had this weekend. Normally I use the parking every time I put it in park, but in that car it just wasn't worth it.
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 17, 2014, 04:14:09 PM
I noticed that on the 2014 we had this weekend. Normally I use the parking every time I put it in park, but in that car it just wasn't worth it.
Never noticed a problem on mine. You don't have to pull the lever up very high to get it to engage (less than most other cars I've driven/owned). Maybe you guys are just trying to pull it up higher than it needs to be?
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.
No way. That's heartbreaking.
(http://globalcarslist.com/data_images/models/hsv-maloo/hsv-maloo-04.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on November 17, 2014, 05:45:14 PM
(http://globalcarslist.com/data_images/models/hsv-maloo/hsv-maloo-04.jpg)
Agreed, though I would like the chassis cab with the flatbed.
Quote from: MrH on November 17, 2014, 02:16:59 PM
911s have unique driving characteristics, but aren't universally bad by any means. In fact, it's an advantage in a lot of things. They just need to be driven differently than your typical FR car.
911's are very unforgiving of driver errors; more so than most cars. .
Quote from: SVT666 on November 17, 2014, 05:42:02 PM
No way. That's heartbreaking.
The girls in the office couldn't pull it up.
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 06:01:22 PM
The girls in the office couldn't pull it up.
EcoBoost or GT?
Quote from: Onslaught on November 17, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.
The worst I've been in is the Smart ForTwo -- it's more of a lever than a handle, going way back and possibly all the way to the rear wheels.
I didn't mind the last generation mustang. I felt it was a much better made car then the others. I flat out hated all mustangs before it. Rolling garbage is the nicest thing I could say about them.
But I actually like this new one. It's damn nice inside and looks good too. And the build quality doesn't feel 20 years behind the imports like most other Fords have. I'd actually suggest this car to someone looking for a sports car under $50k. That's something I'd never had done before.
Makes me think the car could fail! Because all the POS ones did so well and I couldn't stand them. Now they make one I'd be seen in and mustang people will probably hate it!
Quote from: SVT666 on November 17, 2014, 10:11:04 AM
That looks awesome with the stripes.
The front overhang looks smaller also....
Quote from: 68_427 on November 17, 2014, 05:45:14 PM
(http://globalcarslist.com/data_images/models/hsv-maloo/hsv-maloo-04.jpg)
Thats what would be in my garage right now if GM had imported it.
A company in CO will make one for you
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 19, 2014, 05:11:28 PM
The front overhang looks smaller also....
The front overhang is quite short on the Mustang.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/Cars/IMG_20141116_160241_zps489gyz98.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on November 17, 2014, 11:45:43 AM
Not corners. It took them 50 years to get the back end under control.
It's reputation for wanting to spin out in corners was due more to people trying to drive a rear-engined car like a front-engined car than it was that the car was truly tail-happy or dangerous, from what I've heard/read. Sort of like when someone who's only driven FWD cars jumps in a RWD car in inclimate weather and tries to drive it like they would a FWD car.
That's not at all what I've read over the years.
911s are pretty easy to handle... in every video game I've tried.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 19, 2014, 06:34:45 PM
That's not at all what I've read over the years.
They were very prone to lift-throttle oversteer. Much moreso than practically any front-engine car. They also tended to rotate more readily into a turn than front engine cars do. A lot of people, upon experiencing that early rotation, would instinctively lift off the throttle. This would then cause the car to spin out.
That's not to say the suspension was flawless. It obviously wasn't the most forgiving as minor driver errors could result in a crash. But if the correct technique is used, they weren't inherently dangerous.
Quote from: MX793 on November 19, 2014, 07:34:07 PM
They were very prone to lift-throttle oversteer. Much moreso than practically any front-engine car. They also tended to rotate more readily into a turn than front engine cars do. A lot of people, upon experiencing that early rotation, would instinctively lift off the throttle. This would then cause the car to spin out.
That's not to say the suspension was flawless. It obviously wasn't the most forgiving as minor driver errors could result in a crash. But if the correct technique is used, they weren't inherently dangerous.
Oh yeah, not dangerous at all. *sarcasm*
Quote from: SVT666 on November 19, 2014, 08:06:36 PM
Oh yeah, not dangerous at all. *sarcasm*
There's a difference between unforgiving and inherently dangerous. Inherently dangerous will bite you no matter your driving technique.
Quote from: SVT666 on November 19, 2014, 08:06:36 PM
Oh yeah, not dangerous at all. *sarcasm*
Early 911s had the following problematic combination
- significant rear weight bias
- weak/improper rear suspension geometry/wheel location
- short wheelbase
- skinny rear tires
The OG 911 had
175 width tires in the back. If its of any relevance my motorcycle has a 160 width tire literally carrying about half the weight. You load up that rear tire with the gas, get scared and lift off, when the front rebounds it will overload the rear tire and then you are on a one way trip to snap city.
Over time Porsche got hip... lengthened the wheelbase (though it stayed around ~99 inches for about 40 years), continually improved the rear suspension (making the big leap to rear multilink with the 993), and most importantly continually increased the width of the rear tires. Now a base 911 comes with 285s in the back, I think... maybe 325s? I have no idea but I know they flex big meat in the back and that's probably the biggest impediment to that old school snap. With all that weight on the back traction is glorious... damn near feels like an AWD car, at least in Forza 4. Unfortunately, understeers like one too. I'm still at a loss on how to set up the suspension on 911s.