Cars we can all agree on?

[SVT666]

Engine is in a great spot for launching and braking.

Not corners.  It took them 50 years to get the back end under control.

[FoMoJo]

Not sure about the mustang. Looked at one the other day and wasn't in love with it. Possible it could grow on me.

I felt the same way about the C7. And it never grew on me. As a matter if fact I now find it ugly.

Well, that's a start.

[Onslaught]

Engine is in a great spot for launching and braking.

How well did that braking help the drivers back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when their 911's lost it because the engine is in the wrong place?

[hotrodalex]

Not corners.  It took them 50 years to get the back end under control.

How well did that braking help the drivers back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when their 911's lost it because the engine is in the wrong place?

I didn't know this was a board full of pansies.

[FoMoJo]

How well did that braking help the drivers back in the 60's, 70's and 80's when their 911's lost it because the engine is in the wrong place?

They go on about the 911s, especially of that era, needing special driving skills to get the best out of them.  They, particulary, had an advantage in braking because the engine behind the rear wheels provided for more downforce on the rear wheels making them more useful in braking.  It was largely a matter of the driver adjusting to this, braking hard and late into a corner and trying not to swing the ass out on the way out of the corner.  Drivers who did not adjust, typically, ended up in the trees.

[Onslaught]

I didn't know this was a board full of pansies.

I'm an overal 911 fan. But they have problems like all cars. And I'd never jerk my dick over them like so many other people do. And they look like bullfrogs.

[MrH]

911s have unique driving characteristics, but aren't universally bad by any means.  In fact, it's an advantage in a lot of things.  They just need to be driven differently than your typical FR car.

[Onslaught]

Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.

[hotrodalex]

Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.

I noticed that on the 2014 we had this weekend. Normally I use the parking every time I put it in park, but in that car it just wasn't worth it.

[MX793]

I noticed that on the 2014 we had this weekend. Normally I use the parking every time I put it in park, but in that car it just wasn't worth it.

Never noticed a problem on mine.  You don't have to pull the lever up very high to get it to engage (less than most other cars I've driven/owned).  Maybe you guys are just trying to pull it up higher than it needs to be?

[SVT666]

Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.

No way.  That's heartbreaking.

[68_427]

[Eye of the Tiger]

Agreed, though I would like the chassis cab with the flatbed.

[Byteme]

911s have unique driving characteristics, but aren't universally bad by any means.  In fact, it's an advantage in a lot of things.  They just need to be driven differently than your typical FR car.

911's are very unforgiving of driver errors; more so than most cars.  .

[Onslaught]

No way.  That's heartbreaking.

The girls in the office couldn't pull it up.

[SVT666]

The girls in the office couldn't pull it up.

EcoBoost or GT?

[Onslaught]

EcoBoost or GT?

V6

[SVT666]

V6

Ok, well no loss then.

[ifcar]

Just got a new mustang hit down the side today to fix. Time to see if they grow on me over the next few days. I've never been in a car with a more difficult parking brake to pull up.

The worst I've been in is the Smart ForTwo -- it's more of a lever than a handle, going way back and possibly all the way to the rear wheels. 

[Onslaught]

I didn't mind the last generation mustang. I felt it was a much better made car then the others. I flat out hated all mustangs before it. Rolling garbage is the nicest thing I could say about them.

But I actually like this new one. It's damn nice inside and looks good too. And the build quality doesn't feel 20 years behind the imports like most other Fords have. I'd actually suggest this car to someone looking for a sports car under $50k.  That's something I'd never had done before.

Makes me think the car could fail! Because all the POS ones did so well and I couldn't stand them. Now they make one I'd be seen in and mustang people will probably hate it!

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

That looks awesome with the stripes.

The front overhang looks smaller also....

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Thats what would be in my garage right now if GM had imported it.

[68_427]

A company in CO will make one for you

[SVT666]

The front overhang looks smaller also....

The front overhang is quite short on the Mustang.

[MX793]

Not corners.  It took them 50 years to get the back end under control.

It's reputation for wanting to spin out in corners was due more to people trying to drive a rear-engined car like a front-engined car than it was that the car was truly tail-happy or dangerous, from what I've heard/read.  Sort of like when someone who's only driven FWD cars jumps in a RWD car in inclimate weather and tries to drive it like they would a FWD car.

[SVT666]

That's not at all what I've read over the years.

[Eye of the Tiger]

911s are pretty easy to handle... in every video game I've tried.

[MX793]

That's not at all what I've read over the years.

They were very prone to lift-throttle oversteer.  Much moreso than practically any front-engine car.  They also tended to rotate more readily into a turn than front engine cars do.  A lot of people, upon experiencing that early rotation, would instinctively lift off the throttle.  This would then cause the car to spin out.

That's not to say the suspension was flawless.  It obviously wasn't the most forgiving as minor driver errors could result in a crash.  But if the correct technique is used, they weren't inherently dangerous.

[SVT666]

They were very prone to lift-throttle oversteer.  Much moreso than practically any front-engine car.  They also tended to rotate more readily into a turn than front engine cars do.  A lot of people, upon experiencing that early rotation, would instinctively lift off the throttle.  This would then cause the car to spin out.

That's not to say the suspension was flawless.  It obviously wasn't the most forgiving as minor driver errors could result in a crash.  But if the correct technique is used, they weren't inherently dangerous.

Oh yeah, not dangerous at all.  *sarcasm*

[MX793]

Oh yeah, not dangerous at all.  *sarcasm*

There's a difference between unforgiving and inherently dangerous.  Inherently dangerous will bite you no matter your driving technique.