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This pic will probably disappear soon; hopefully I'll get a new one up.
Anyways, after my random bambi-cide last wekend, the Pilot was totalled, and I was in need of a new car. I figured, in order to free up the budget for something fast and interesting I'd see what I could get for under $8000 and avoid having a payment.
Well, in a moment of madness I wnent and bougth this thing- for a little over two thousand. Its a 1991 Marquis Colony Park wagon with 57,000 miles on it, and will be the temporary kid hauler and commuter.
Autocross demon!
351?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
302. Alas, the 351 was apparently an option.
You can still swap over the parts from the Mustang Cobra.
When I was in the 4th grade, one of our neighbors carpooled my brothers, myself, and like 3 of her kids in something like that. There was literally seating for like 4 kids in the trunk/cargo area alone. Nice lady. The kids were out of control, though.
Come to think of it, it may have been an Olds or something...
(did the Vista Cruiser continue production into the 80's?)
Can we block wimmer from this thread?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 18, 2013, 04:27:26 PM
You can still swap over the parts from the Mustang Cobra.
First things first. Which is brakes. Then shocks. Then maybe wheels and tires.
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 18, 2013, 04:30:37 PM
When I was in the 4th grade, one of our neighbors carpooled my brothers, myself, and like 3 of her kids in something like that. There was literally seating for like 4 kids in the trunk/cargo area alone. Nice lady. The kids were out of control, though.
Come to think of it, it may have been an Olds or something...
(did the Vista Cruiser continue production into the 80's?)
Was it the side by side seats or the rear facing? I think the side by sides were all Fords.
The sound you hear is Wimmer wetting himself.
:lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 04:54:42 PM
First things first. Which is brakes. Then shocks. Then maybe wheels and tires.
Then Flowmasters
How's the body...any rust?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 18, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
Then Flowmasters
Maybe. I'm going to need to chase down a wheel well trim piece and do some minor rust repair too. Never worked with this vinyl fake wood before. I suppose it's just a peel and stick material, right?
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 18, 2013, 05:07:43 PM
How's the body...any rust?
Really solid overall. The right rear wheel well trim is missing and the mounting holes have started to rust, and there's some damage under the right tail light.
But for the price, nothing I'm worrying too much about.
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 18, 2013, 04:30:37 PM
When I was in the 4th grade, one of our neighbors carpooled my brothers, myself, and like 3 of her kids in something like that. There was literally seating for like 4 kids in the trunk/cargo area alone. Nice lady. The kids were out of control, though.
Come to think of it, it may have been an Olds or something...
(did the Vista Cruiser continue production into the 80's?)
I remember a friend in HS had one of these type of station wagons with a 3rd row seating back seat.. that thing was damn scary to rid in but shit, you can fit A LOT of people in it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 05:09:53 PM
Maybe. I'm going to need to chase down a wheel well trim piece and do some minor rust repair too. Never worked with this vinyl fake wood before. I suppose it's just a peel and stick material, right?
I can appreciate woody wagonss as much as anybody, but I would just rip all off and repaint the entire thing in some kind of root beer Kandy metallic coloure.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 18, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
I can appreciate woody wagonss as much as anybody, but I would just rip all off and repaint the entire thing in some kind of root beer Kandy metallic coloure.
Yeah, that's more bodywork than I want to get into right now. This isn't supposed to be the project car, but the gateway to the project car.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 05:21:44 PM
Yeah, that's more bodywork than I want to get into right now. This isn't supposed to be the project car, but the gateway to the project car.
Fair enough. Let's see how long you can leave it stock.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 18, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
Fair enough. Let's see how long you can leave it stock.
So, for the shocks, do you think it'd be worth it to go for the $100/corner Bilsteins instead of the $40 adjust-a-slushies?
Also, I'm going to need a radio that can use my iPod...
I assume this is one of the wagons with a split tailgate and not a liftback like more modern wagons?
Quote from: MX793 on October 18, 2013, 06:33:19 PM
I assume this is one of the wagons with a split tailgate and not a liftback like more modern wagons?
One- piece side opening.
This is an older wagon, but like this (seats too)
(http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/05/1971FordLTD_04_700.jpg)
The window has to be down, so if you put the key in and turn to the left, the window goes all the way down before the gate will unlock.
Ah, one of the side-opening types. I vaguely recall my grandfather having a wagon like that back in the 80s.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
One- piece side opening.
This is an older wagon, but like this (seats too)
(http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/05/1971FordLTD_04_700.jpg)
The window has to be down, so if you put the key in and turn to the left, the window goes all the way down before the gate will unlock.
Didn't they have a tailgate that would drop down as well as swing out.
That Mustang looks like a '70 Mach I I used to have.
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 18, 2013, 06:50:05 PM
Didn't they have a tailgate that would drop down as well as swing out.
That Mustang looks like a '70 Mach I I used to have.
They did. Mine might be one, but it wouldn't drop down when I tried. It may just be an adjustment that's needed. I know the "whale" GM wagins did that.
Wow, terrible!
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 18, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Wow, terrible!
Two grand.
That amounts to eight grand added to the sports car budget. (Probably like 6500-7000 after tinkering with this, but still)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
So, for the shocks, do you think it'd be worth it to go for the $100/corner Bilsteins instead of the $40 adjust-a-slushies?
Napa brand shocks all the way.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 06:32:12 PM
Also, I'm going to need a radio that can use my iPod...
Those are $60 at Walmart.
The specs on that 5.0 are
270 ft-lbs. @ 2000 rpm
150 hp @ LOL 3200 rpm
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 18, 2013, 07:56:07 PM
The specs on that 5.0 are
270 ft-lbs. @ 2000 rpm
150 hp @ LOL 3200 rpm
So no autocrossing then?
HA!
That's hilarious. What'd you really get?
Quote from: Rupert on October 18, 2013, 08:17:07 PM
HA!
That's hilarious. What'd you really get?
A 1956 DivCo bakery van.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 08:13:57 PM
So no autocrossing then?
I wouldn't go that far. You just won't win anything.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 18, 2013, 08:31:27 PM
I wouldn't go that far. You just won't win anything.
Never did anyways.
It could be an interesting lemons entry. Too bad you paid $1500 too much.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 18, 2013, 08:43:30 PM
It could be an interesting lemons entry. Too bad you paid $1500 too much.
When I'm done, I'll sell it to you for $500.
I'm not dumping thousands of dollars into that. I'd rather race a 924 or RX-7.
I think your best bet is demolition derby. It would be great at that!
I think you should stance it.
GEt bags for it.
I think you should put tiny wheels on it, stance it, bag it, get some megabass going, and then get one of those tiny chrome steering wheels. Also hang a stuffed animal from that back. And truck nutz.
Needs to be like this.
(http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww227/nolimits0310/Chevycap.jpg)
That's actually pretty cool.
But Soup should just do every mod any ricer/stancer/lowriderer has ever done. Huge wing, blue headlights, etc. That, or make it a donk.
I think it needs C4. And I'm not talking transmissions.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 18, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
I think it needs C4. And I'm not talking transmissions.
Now that's just mean.
:lol:
Rollin in My 5.0 - Vanilla Ice Music Video (1991) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMbxOUgPDsI#ws)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
Was it the side by side seats or the rear facing? I think the side by sides were all Fords.
Side-by-side, like the green one in the pic you posted.
Quote from: NomisR on October 18, 2013, 05:12:06 PM
I remember a friend in HS had one of these type of station wagons with a 3rd row seating back seat.. that thing was damn scary to rid in but shit, you can fit A LOT of people in it.
Yeah I'm fairly certain I remember 4 of those little monsters squeezing into the back seat on more than one occasion. Seems like we don't have as many options for 8+ passenger seating nowadays. I guess people had more kids back then.
Wow, that's awesome!
Does wifey approve of that as a DD? Also, winter driving?
Are you worried about rust and/or termites?
Quote from: mzziaz on October 19, 2013, 12:11:12 PM
Wow, that's awesome!
Does wifey approve of that as a DD? Also, winter driving?
Yeah, it'll be the daily driver. Wife has pretty much given up trying to make me accept modern, normal, socially acceptable cars. My daily commute is pretty short, so gas isn't much of an issue.
I'm really hoping one winter doesn't do it a lot of damage. The tin worm hasn't attacked it much yet, and I plan on keeping it that way. Next winter? Well, we'll see when that arrives.
Quote from: Raza on October 19, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
Are you worried about rust and/or termites?
Fake wood, so I only have to worry about fake termites, or some sort of mutant insect that eats vinyl and fiberglass.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 19, 2013, 02:06:20 PM
Yeah, it'll be the daily driver. Wife has pretty much given up trying to make me accept modern, normal, socially acceptable cars. My daily commute is pretty short, so gas isn't much of an issue.
I'm really hoping one winter doesn't do it a lot of damage. The tin worm hasn't attacked it much yet, and I plan on keeping it that way. Next winter? Well, we'll see when that arrives.
Spray the undercarriage with oil, yo.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 19, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
Spray the undercarriage with oil, yo.
Do you think products like this are worth it, or not?
http://www.eastwood.com/professional-undercoating-and-anti-rust-kit.html (http://www.eastwood.com/professional-undercoating-and-anti-rust-kit.html)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 19, 2013, 02:11:26 PM
Do you think products like this are worth it, or not?
http://www.eastwood.com/professional-undercoating-and-anti-rust-kit.html (http://www.eastwood.com/professional-undercoating-and-anti-rust-kit.html)
Only if you don't mind cleaning the undercarriage until it is sparkling clean before you apply it.
I would rather get it reasonably clean, then liberally coat it in
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/other-products/cleaners-and-protectants/heavy-duty-metal-protector/?GroupID=200 (http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/other-products/cleaners-and-protectants/heavy-duty-metal-protector/?GroupID=200)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 19, 2013, 02:13:23 PM
Only if you don't mind cleaning the undercarriage until it is sparkling clean before you apply it.
I would rather get it reasonably clean, then liberally coat it in
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/other-products/cleaners-and-protectants/heavy-duty-metal-protector/?GroupID=200 (http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/other-products/cleaners-and-protectants/heavy-duty-metal-protector/?GroupID=200)
I guess that's going to depend on how much time I'm going to get to do it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 19, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
Spray the undercarriage with oil, yo.
Who cares about the underbody? Rub oil on the rockers, sills, fenders, wheel arches, bumpers,etc.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 19, 2013, 02:18:05 PM
Who cares about the underbody? Rub oil on the rockers, sills, fenders, wheel arches, bumpers,etc.
On the outside? An oil rub should actually bring out some real color in the wood siding.
The only rust that's started is around the wheel arches. It looks like somebody rubbed the right quarter panel on something and broke off the wheel well trim, tearing the trim mount bolts in the process, and that's where the rust is.
Yes, even the undercarriage and floorpans are pretty shiny and new.
Thompson's water seal on the wood should protect it.
Perhaps you could acquire some new heads and a cam so you could rev past thirty-two fucking hundred rpm.
Do they still have cheap 5.0 HO motors in the junkyard?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 19, 2013, 03:19:56 PM
Perhaps you could acquire some new heads and a can so you could rev past thirty-two fucking hundred rpm.
Do they still have cheap 5.0 HO motors in the junkyard?
Yeah, parts look pretty easy to get overall. Not surprisingly, nobody lists any availablity for anything whatsoever under "Grand Marquis LS Colony Park," but internet station wagon folks confirm that pretty much all Mustang parts fit just fine.
Not surprising, because there's enough room in the engine bay to smuggle Mexicans in.
First things first though.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 19, 2013, 03:19:56 PM
Perhaps you could acquire some new heads and a cam so you could rev past thirty-two fucking hundred rpm.
Do they still have cheap 5.0 HO motors in the junkyard?
If you're going to swap motors, may as well go for a 351.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2013, 03:29:55 PM
If you're going to swap motors, may as well go for a 351.
We can burn that bridge when I get to it.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 19, 2013, 03:19:56 PM
Perhaps you could acquire some new heads and a cam so you could rev past thirty-two fucking hundred rpm.
Do they still have cheap 5.0 HO motors in the junkyard?
LOL
400 hp on the stock cam, bitches
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0307_ford_302_v8_engine_buildup/ (http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0307_ford_302_v8_engine_buildup/)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
(http://assets.clickmotive.com/inventory/inventory/dealers/WebIOL2/2000026/2059898/640x480/33042/2MECM79F6MX626983/e896536356044161bb2caeb1c55fe0cf!20130429213523000.jpg?w=590)
Now
THAT is car design, people.
THAT is car design. :mrcool:
Modern-day designers, please take note of
THIS. :rockon:
Yes, because that's exactly what the 2014 Lexus IS needs. Wood-simulation vinyl siding.
Wait, is the original pic actually the thing you bought? How does that exist in the rustwest?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on October 19, 2013, 06:50:03 PM
Wait, is the original pic actually the thing you bought? How does that exist in the rustwest?
Yes, it is the exact one: its the dealer's photo, but that's the one. I don't have any of mine yet, because, well: its still at the dealer.
I put a deposit down, but couldn't complete the paperwork before I had to go to work Friday afternoon.
Does the rear window roll down?
I grew up with a Pontiac Safari that looked a lot like your new Marquiswagon (amazing how little they evolved after an entire decade!) When we had to haul 2x4s we would stick them out the back. The low pressure would fill the passenger compartment with exhaust gas so we made sure to only take shallow breaths the whole trip back home.
Quote from: Laconian on October 19, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
Does the rear window roll down?
I grew up with a Pontiac Safari that looked a lot like your new Marquiswagon (amazing how little they evolved after an entire decade!) When we had to haul 2x4s we would stick them out the back. The low pressure would fill the passenger compartment with exhaust gas so we made sure to only take shallow breaths the whole trip back home.
Yes, it does. I'll install sidepipes to prevent that from happening.
But yeah, this same body style went virtually unchanged from '79 to '91.
If you're replacing the tires in this thing you neeeeeeed need need to make a burnout video first.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on October 19, 2013, 07:33:46 PM
If you're replacing the tires in this thing you neeeeeeed need need to make a burnout video first.
Tires will be good through this winter at least.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 19, 2013, 04:01:15 PM
Now THAT is car design, people. THAT is car design. :mrcool:
Modern-day designers, please take note of THIS. :rockon:
Clean up, aisle 3...
I've got to wonder why Wimmer doesn't fawn over full-sized 90s Volvos (850, 940, etc). Same styling philosophy as late 70s and 80 American cars.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2013, 10:24:16 PM
Clean up, aisle 3...
I've got to wonder why Wimmer doesn't fawn over full-sized 90s Volvos (850, 940, etc). Same styling philosophy as late 70s and 80 American cars.
Nah, they somehow did a much nicer job with mostly straight lines.
They're European straight lines.
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2013, 10:24:16 PM
Clean up, aisle 3...
I've got to wonder why Wimmer doesn't fawn over full-sized 90s Volvos (850, 940, etc). Same styling philosophy as late 70s and 80 American cars.
They don't have that visual character like a '70s or '80s American wagon.
57000 miles. Wow. What a find. I'd probably consider one too if I could find one with such low miles. I just couldn't park it at my house. :lol:
Peg leg burnout NOW.
I really want one of these: '72 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Wagon! It's so sexy!!! :wub:
(http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Olds-custom-cruiser-1971.png)
What's the gas mileage on these? 8 mpg?
One wheeler peeler?
ONE TIRE FIRE!
Wood panel wagon burn out!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9PlhnbzGuw#)
this is awesome :lol:
Quote from: Northlands on October 20, 2013, 06:56:59 PM
57000 miles. Wow. What a find. I'd probably consider one too if I could find one with such low miles. I just couldn't park it at my house. :lol:
Does the odometer have five or six digits? IIRC, my dad's and brother's F-150s from this era both had five digits...my brother's '87 F-150 more likely had 270k than 70k.
Quote from: TBR on October 21, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
Does the odometer have five or six digits? IIRC, my dad's and brother's F-150s from this era both had five digits...my brother's '87 F-150 more likely had 270k than 70k.
Five, but every bit of the condition of the car makes me believe that it is 57, not 157.
Yeah. That definitely looks more like 57k opposed to 157k.
That's not really a vote of confidence when the manufacturer thinks the car won't even last past 99,999 miles. :lol:
You need to get some of those Wagon Queen crown badges. I bet a Rolex badge would work, too.
Soup needs to drop in a 460.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 23, 2013, 08:06:24 PM
Soul needs to drop in a 460.
Anything that revs over 3200 RPM will work.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 23, 2013, 07:35:08 PM
You need to get some of those Wagon Queen crown badges. I bet a Rolex badge would work, too.
I'm getting a bumper sticker that says "my other car is an Antarctic blue super sports wagon."
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 23, 2013, 08:47:31 PM
Anything that revs over 3200 RPM will work.
It'll rev over 3200, it just won't make any power past 3200.
Around town, it moves just fine. It's not struggling to keep up with traffic the way the Grand Pricks does. That 270 lbs of torque makes its presence known. Of course, on the highway it starts to show as a lack of passing power, and it's not going to win any races, but stepping off from a red light it pulls away easily and smoothly.
It's a lot like the 472 Cadillacs in that way, except the Caddies always had some extra legs on the highway.
Crate engine.
Quote from: mzziaz on October 24, 2013, 08:00:26 AM
Crate engine.
Hey; my engine is your engine, mister. If its good enough for your Mustang, it's good enough for my family car.
( but honestly its going to be very hard not to tinker with it a little)
Well, son.
I've got a crate.
Quote from: mzziaz on October 24, 2013, 08:23:32 AM
Well, son.
I've got a crate.
Don't tell the Norwegian department of Not-Letting-you-do-that.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 24, 2013, 06:01:04 AM
It'll rev over 3200, it just won't make any power past 3200.
Are you sure it's not a diesel?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 24, 2013, 06:00:27 AM
I'm getting a bumper sticker that says "my other car is an Antarctic blue super sports wagon."
Excellent!
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 23, 2013, 08:06:24 PM
Soup needs to drop in a 460.
(http://streetmuscleaction.com/wp-content/uploads/Kaase-Boss-429-Engine.jpg)
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 24, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Are you sure it's not a diesel?
I keep putting gasoline into it and it still runs. Also, it has sparkplugs.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 24, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
Don't tell the Norwegian department of Not-Letting-you-do-that.
Mebbe we'll have to switch engines!
:mask:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 24, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
Are you sure it's not a diesel?
Excellent idea! There's gotta be an Oldsmobile 350cid Diesel for sale somewhere!
The Car (which is now its official name) gets a surprising amount of attention on the road. I really thought it would be met with a mix of revulsion and mockery, but twice now people have come up to me at the gas station (the fuel gauge doesn't work, so I top it off every day) and asked about it. Little kids point, and lots of people do double takes. That doesn't mean they're not mocking it I suppose, but still, its been a pleasant surprise so far.
After I get the brakes done on Monday, I'm enlisting the help of a friend to do a youtube video.
Video of burnouts and reverse 180s?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 25, 2013, 07:19:51 PM
The Car (which is now its official name) gets a surprising amount of attention on the road. I really thought it would be met with a mix of revulsion and mockery, but twice now people have come up to me at the gas station (the fuel gauge doesn't work, so I top it off every day) and asked about it. Little kids point, and lots of people do double takes. That doesn't mean they're not mocking it I suppose, but still, its been a pleasant surprise so far.
After I get the brakes done on Monday, I'm enlisting the help of a friend to do a youtube video.
Bullshit, asshole. Nobody likes stations wagons from 1991.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 25, 2013, 07:43:19 PM
Bullshit, asshole. Nobody likes stations wagons from 1991.
I don't know that they like it, as much as they like seeing somebody stupid enough to actually drive one around.
1991 seems really late for a car like that. Is it at least EFI?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 25, 2013, 08:01:25 PM
1991 seems really late for a car like that. Is it at least EFI?
Its the last year of the Ford full size wagons. Also happens to be the only year that had the MAF-based multiport EFI for the 302. And the only one with an airbag.
You know, 150 hp at 3200 rpm isn't bad. I wonder what my 330 makes at 3200 rpm.
The intake and exhaust ports must be like pea shooters to stop making power there.
I wonder if, with a turbo blowing 1 bar of air into that thing, it could make 300 HP @ 3200 RPM. Of course, in order for that to happen, it would have to be making 492 lb-ft at that speed. Things would break.
.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 25, 2013, 07:43:19 PM
Bullshit, asshole. Nobody likes stations wagons from 1991.
Considering it is virtually indistinguishable from a station wagon from 1979, I really don't think the model year comes into play here.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 25, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
I wonder if, with a turbo blowing 1 bar of air into that thing, it could make 300 HP @ 3200 RPM. Of course, in order for that to happen, it would have to be making 492 lb-ft at that speed. Things would break.
.
He'll be blowing a rod before he blows a bar.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 25, 2013, 09:27:45 PM
He'll be blowing a rod before he blows a bar.
Are we still talking about my car, or has 206 chimed in on this thread?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 25, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
Are we still talking about my car, or has 206 chimed in on this thread?
Generally, you can only do one thing at a time.
Unless you're just talented like that
I bet Steven Tyler has a big enough mouth to multitask like that.
Classy
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 25, 2013, 07:19:51 PM
The Car (which is now its official name) gets a surprising amount of attention on the road. I really thought it would be met with a mix of revulsion and mockery, but twice now people have come up to me at the gas station (the fuel gauge doesn't work, so I top it off every day) and asked about it. Little kids point, and lots of people do double takes. That doesn't mean they're not mocking it I suppose, but still, its been a pleasant surprise so far.
After I get the brakes done on Monday, I'm enlisting the help of a friend to do a youtube video.
Maybe you should get yourself a working fuel gauge and save some time.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 25, 2013, 08:03:35 PM
Its the last year of the Ford full size wagons. Also happens to be the only year that had the MAF-based multiport EFI for the 302. And the only one with an airbag.
Is this a roller engine, roller rockers and lifters? I wonder if it has the double roller cam gear.
If the later explorer heads and intake would fit on it, that would bump up hp significantly, GT40 intakes should also be pretty cheap out there.
Quote from: SVT32V on October 28, 2013, 02:03:46 PM
Is this a roller engine, roller rockers and lifters? I wonder if it has the double roller cam gear.
If the later explorer heads and intake would fit on it, that would bump up hp significantly, GT40 intakes should also be pretty cheap out there.
I'm getting conflicting answers on that so far. The power's fine for now.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 28, 2013, 04:03:24 PM
I'm getting conflicting answers on that so far. The power's fine for now.
False. You lack horsepower.
Wicky peedia says the 302 was a roller from '85 on up. The 318 became a roller in the mid 80s too, so I'd expect it's a fairly reliable industry trend of the time.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
So, for the shocks, do you think it'd be worth it to go for the $100/corner Bilsteins instead of the $40 adjust-a-slushies?
Need shocks you say? I'll shoot you a PM here in a bit.
Quote from: MrH on October 30, 2013, 01:13:55 PM
Need shocks you say? I'll shoot you a PM here in a bit.
Yes.
I'm guessing it uses friction dampers, if anything at all. :lol:
The Monroe shocks I put on the Dodge felt okay for maybe a few thousand miles. Now they feel half as bad as the dead ones were. If you're keeping this thing for a kind-of while I'd just put better stuff on there first.
You really need to go for the Bilstein shocks on this. A roly poly wagon is not the place to cut corners with suspension.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 30, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
You really need to go for the Bilstein shocks on this. A roly poly wagon is not the place to cut corners with suspension.
The other side of that question is ; how much of a difference can one component make?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 30, 2013, 08:01:57 PM
The other side of that question is ; how much of a difference can one component make?
A shit ton. No question, the Bilsteins will rein in the sloppy handling that I can imagine.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 30, 2013, 08:03:23 PM
A shit ton. No question, the Bilsteins will rein in the sloppy handling that I can imagine.
I have no doubt it will be better; thing is, I'll still have 70 series skinny tires, a pencil thin sway bar, an twenty year old rubber bushings holding on a solid axle.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 30, 2013, 08:41:14 PM
I have no doubt it will be better; thing is, I'll still have 70 series skinny tires, a pencil thin sway bar, an twenty year old rubber bushings holding on a solid axle.
Obviously you should replace any bad bushings as part of regular maintenance. You should also probably run about 40psi in your tires.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 30, 2013, 08:44:10 PM
Obviously you should replace any bad bushings as part of regular maintenance. You should also probably run about 40psi in your tires.
There are a lot of little things that need taking care of, and yes, if I do the shocks I'll be inspecting the bushings.
And I had no idea you were supposed to put air in those big round things...
Maybe something more mid-grade like tokiko shocks would be better than dropping so much on bilsteins.
MrH is graciously hooking me up with the deal of the century on the Bilsteins, otherwise I'd probably be agreeing with you.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 01, 2013, 03:18:05 PM
MrH is graciously hooking me up with the deal of the century on the Bilsteins, otherwise I'd probably be agreeing with you.
Sweetness
Update on week 1:
The good:
The car is remarkably solid. This isn't the first $2000 range twenty year old car I've bought, but its by far the one in the best condition. Some of the minor problems I'd noted but decided to deal with. I'd figured the heater core needed to be flushed, but found that somebody installed a manual shutoff valve for it; something I've only ever seen on cars that spent their whole lives in the southwest (its a Pennsylvania car according to the old title, owned by a Chinese delivery, which doesn't jive with the low miles either). The wobbly shutting doors were all minor adjustments on the locking posts (except the "magic tailgate"). The kids love it. Dylan, my second son (6 yrs) insists on sitting in the "way back," the twins seem to like being able to see out better than they can in the minivan, and my oldest is fascinated by the power retractable antenna. Hey, so its no integrated DVD surround sound wifi hotspot system, but it works.
The most pleasant surprise was finding out that the car actually does have a limited slip diff- at least according to the tag. I couldn't get it to lock up, which means it needs to be rebuilt, but that's a lot cheaper and easier than changing the entire thing.
The Bad:
Nothing at this price point comes without a few problems. I knew the rear brakes were basically shot when I bought it, but hadn't counted on the rear line and master cylinder needing to be replaced too. The trim for this thing is harder to find than unicorn gonads (thankfully, I'm only missing one big piece). The so-called "magic tailgate" is a complicated arrangement of rods and levers that all seem to have a hair's width worth of adjustment on them and they all need to work in unison. Ford made this same design for like 25 years, so you'd think there was some sort of parts supply available for them. Nope. Looks like I'm going to press one of the hinge pins out and turn a custom one on the lathe here at work. Maybe I can hit the local junkyards and get lucky, but from what I hear, these all had the same sorts of problems.
The gas gauge doesn't work, which means I've been filling it up every 50 miles or so and then trying to calculate the mileage. So far, its getting about 15 MPG, but that also includes a lot of idling time. Neither does the cruise control, but I haven't looked into that yet either.
The ugly:
Rust never sleeps, and I'm determined to at least minimize its spread this winter. Its not bad, but it is enough to be noticed. The rear bumper was either hit or got hung up on something, crumpling the little piece of sheet metal under the right tail light and raising the right side of the bumper enough that it can be noticed that its crooked, as well as interfere with the opening of the tailgate. This might actually involve twisting something back into shape. The problemm at this point is finding time on a day with good weather to do it.
but all in all, I'm pretty happy.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 01, 2013, 03:18:05 PM
MrH is graciously hooking me up with the deal of the century on the Bilsteins, otherwise I'd probably be agreeing with you.
Whoa whoa whoa! What now?
Quote from: Rupert on November 01, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
Whoa whoa whoa! What now?
Nevermind.
These are not the droids you are looking for.
Because I am totally for real this time only a few weeks away from 944 suspension things.
That bullshit may work on the Imperial Storm Troopers out front, but you aren't going to fool me that easily!
My parents old 1973 Ford LTD and 1977 Ford LTD II (a re-bodied Torino, for those of you too young to remember) wagons both had that "magic" tailgate. It was probably the coolest thing on either of those two otherwise miserable cars. I'm surprised nobody else (that I am aware of) has ever copied that idea. Maybe Ford has a patent on it?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 01, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
The most pleasant surprise was finding out that the car actually does have a limited slip diff- at least according to the tag. I couldn't get it to lock up, which means it needs to be rebuilt, but that's a lot cheaper and easier than changing the entire thing.
Cool on the Bilsteins if I didn't already have them on the cobra I would be trying persuade MR.H to hook me up. Although I am not sure I have the fondness of the man like apparently you seem to have acquired.
With the trac-lok, that is not many miles and it probably wasn't abused with that engine, prehaps a simple differential fluid change with a new bottle of friction modifier would get it working again. The clutch packs might just be glazed. Worth a try before a rebuild and cheaper.
Slightly disturbing today; the odometer stopped working. Is this evidence of tampering? Has it been working intermittently forever?
Oh we'll. I've made my bed, I can't eat it too. Or something like that.
Maybe it's got one of those Flux capacitors installed. The rust will mend itself.
Quote from: MrH on November 02, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
Maybe it's got one of those Flux capacitors installed. The rust will mend itself.
I can only hope.
The condition of the car still says "under 100,000" by any yardstick, so I'm not overly worried. Could it be 80,000? 90,000? Maybe, but only if the previous owner took reasonably above average care of it; especially if it is indeed a northeast car for all of its career.
I still don't quite understand this purchase. Can you post a video or some pictures to help me understand why this car is cool?
(http://kippingitreal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Mind-is-Full-of-Fuck.jpg)
Working on the video part.
Long story short, I have a limited budget for an unlimited number of vehicles. This is the practical purchase to haul around my four offspring. But I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm enjoying it so far.
Got the Magical Unicorn Tailgate working correctly today; had to machine a brass bushing for the left upper hinge pin, and there's still something loose on the left lower, but it works now, and works well.
Slightly disappointed when I discovered that this isn't a MAF-based injection system after all, even though all the sources I could find told me it would be. Nope, its the early speed density fuel injection- I guess the Grand Marquis held out for a few more years than the Crown Vics and Town Cars did (why? who knows?). No big deal, as it works fine and I've no immediate plans for gonzo power, but it will be a slight hitch if I start upping the horsepressure.
I hope you case hardened that brass pin. Just saying, you have know idea what ur done.
This is definitely one of the coolest car purchases in recent times on 'Spin! :rockon:
Can't wait to see the photos of this work of art. :wub:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 30, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
You really need to go for the Bilstein shocks on this. A roly poly wagon is not the place to cut corners with suspension.
Every time I read something like this, I wonder how we survived those years. I sold Monroe-Matics for these wagons without anyone complaining. The opposite actually.
Quote from: JWC on November 20, 2013, 12:48:02 PM
Every time I read something like this, I wonder how we survived those years. I sold Monroe-Matics for these wagons without anyone complaining. The opposite actually.
The opposite of what, nobody complaining?
Well, two of your shocks are sitting in my garage...
(http://i.imgur.com/eSyEUm9.jpg)
Yeah, now it will be overdamped, but still mushy.
Quote from: MrH on November 25, 2013, 06:58:23 PM
Well, two of your shocks are sitting in my garage...
(http://i.imgur.com/eSyEUm9.jpg)
exxxcelllentt.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 25, 2013, 07:01:58 PM
Yeah, now it will be overdamped, but still mushy.
I have options there too.
Quote from: MrH on November 25, 2013, 06:58:23 PM
Well, two of your shocks are sitting in my garage...
(http://i.imgur.com/eSyEUm9.jpg)
I want shocks!
Sportwagen zum Einbauen :thumbsup:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 26, 2013, 05:30:20 AM
Sportwagen zum Einbauen :thumbsup:
You better believe it, brother.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 25, 2013, 07:01:58 PM
Yeah, now it will be overdamped, but still mushy.
Are you implying too much damping, not enough spring? I have no idea how these will work. :lol: Should at least be valved pretty close, and just moving up to a bigger monotube over blown stock stuff should be a big upgrade.
Quote from: MrH on November 26, 2013, 03:02:36 PM
Are you implying too much damping, not enough spring? I have no idea how these will work. :lol: Should at least be valved pretty close, and just moving up to a bigger monotube over blown stock stuff should be a big upgrade.
Yes.
We put monotube KYBs on my dad's Dakota. It made it more controlled, but it was still mushy and the ride got worse.
Quote from: MrH on November 26, 2013, 03:02:36 PM
Are you implying too much damping, not enough spring? I have no idea how these will work. :lol: Should at least be valved pretty close, and just moving up to a bigger monotube over blown stock stuff should be a big upgrade.
If its too bad, I'll try some CVPI springs from a junkyard.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 26, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
Yes.
We put monotube KYBs on my dad's Dakota. It made it more controlled, but it was still mushy and the ride got worse.
I have no idea what KYB does, but these will at least be close. For all I know, KYB just pulls something off the shelf and welds on mounts that fit the car.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
If its too bad, I'll try some CVPI springs from a junkyard.
If they really end up sucking (I doubt they will though), we could always revalve them.
Quote from: MrH on November 26, 2013, 07:10:25 PM
If they really end up sucking (I doubt they will though), we could always revalve them.
How would that work; would I need weights and springs rates and calculate something, or just send them back and say "make em softer?"
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2013, 07:15:03 PM
How would that work; would I need weights and springs rates and calculate something, or just send them back and say "make em softer?"
If I could get a handle on some info (weights, spring rates, suspension geometry, etc), you can do some basic simulations to see where things are off. That's typically hard to find for new cars though, let alone something like this.
I'd probably just have a coworker drive the thing, give his opinion, then take them apart, weld a schrader valve on, and do what he suggests.
Quote from: MrH on November 26, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
If I could get a handle on some info (weights, spring rates, suspension geometry, etc), you can do some basic simulations to see where things are off. That's typically hard to find for new cars though, let alone something like this.
I'd probably just have a coworker drive the thing, give his opinion, then take them apart, weld a schrader valve on, and do what he suggests.
Sounds cool, it also sounds like its unlikely I'd go to those sort of lengths. If this was a Porsche I wanted to race I might.
If they're too stiff for my springs, ill get some cop car springs.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 27, 2013, 02:58:22 AM
If they're too stiff for my springs, ill get some cop car springs.
It's got a cop motor, cop tyres, cop suspension, cop shocks. Whuddaya say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what? :lol:
Oh, and don't forget to fix the cigarette lighter! :lol:
Just get whatever shocks are on sale at the local store. Jesus, it's an old station wagon. ;) That said, those were actually pretty good cars. By '91, Ford had engineered most of the bugs out of that platform. I said most, not all. :lol:
It should have a port injected 5.0, which was an improvement over the old CFI setup of the '80's. The oxygen sensors tend to fail at 100K+ miles, and sometimes the ignition modules fail, but it's kind of rare.
Quote from: shp4man on November 27, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Just get whatever shocks are on sale at the local store. Jesus, it's an old station wagon. ;) That said, those were actually pretty good cars. By '91, Ford had engineered most of the bugs out of that platform. I said most, not all. :lol:
It should have a port injected 5.0, which was an improvement over the old CFI setup of the '80's. The oxygen sensors tend to fail at 100K+ miles, and sometimes the ignition modules fail, but it's kind of rare.
yeah, well I was leaning towards something a little cheaper, but I'm not going to turn these down.
Oddly enough, even though almost the entire rest of the Ford lineup had gone over to the modern MAF based injection system, this one is a holdout from the older system. Not a problem that a day in a junkyard, a couple hundred bucks and a mostly intact V8 explorer won't solve, but that will be when the weather gets warmer.
First decent length trip with the wagon (to Muskegon and back), during which the car performed flawlessly, and ate up the highway miles comfortably and quickly. Sucked a little too much gas during the time to, but I'll work out what's wrong with that soon anyways.
According to my little GPS phone app, the speedometer is about 7 MPH fast, which coupled with it being the gubbimint mandated 85 MPH max anyways means I spent most of the trip with the needle resting against its hardstop.
I'm gouing to have to get this gas gauge working soon though...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 01, 2013, 09:26:38 PM
yeah, well I was leaning towards something a little cheaper, but I'm not going to turn these down.
Oddly enough, even though almost the entire rest of the Ford lineup had gone over to the modern MAF based injection system, this one is a holdout from the older system. Not a problem that a day in a junkyard, a couple hundred bucks and a mostly intact V8 explorer won't solve, but that will be when the weather gets warmer.
Out of curiosity, is it CFI, or is it the speed density MPI?
Quote from: SVT32V on December 01, 2013, 09:56:48 PM
Out of curiosity, is it CFI, or is it the speed density MPI?
Speed density.
speed = destiny
At least put a crate-spec cam in it and a dual exhaust so it can kind of sound like Per's car. It's a 302ooooooooo.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 02, 2013, 07:48:16 PM
speed = destiny
At least put a crate-spec cam in it and a dual exhaust so it can kind of sound like Per's car. It's a 302ooooooooo.
Right now its just "make it nicer" mode, which would include massaging out the little electrical failures and then taking care of the little bit of bodywork that needs it.
After that, well, there's a lot of things that can be done on this for cheap that will make it faster, and after scrounging for Cadillac 472 stuff for a couple of years, the parts are just so damned easy to find it'll be hard not to; but that's another project for another day.
Listen to chimp.
Then you can at least pretend to be as cool as me.
Quote from: mzziaz on December 03, 2013, 05:52:04 AM
Listen to chimp.
Then you can at least pretend to be as cool as me.
Dude, I am so cool I am a meat Popsicle.
I am so hip I have trouble seeing over my own pelvis.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 03, 2013, 08:06:15 AM
Dude, I am so cool I am a meat Popsicle.
I am so hip I have trouble seeing over my own pelvis.
All you had to say was faux wood paneling.
I shall faux wood panel my stang!
Quote from: mzziaz on December 04, 2013, 02:22:46 AM
I shall faux wood panel my stang!
That would just be silly.
Yeah. Real wood is probably better.
Quote from: mzziaz on December 04, 2013, 08:23:41 AM
Yeah. Real wood is probably better.
Yes.
(http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Mercedes-Benz/60_Mercedes-220SE_Cabrio-DV-10-MB_i006.jpg)
Quote from: Galaxy on December 04, 2013, 01:46:58 PM
Yes.
(http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Mercedes-Benz/60_Mercedes-220SE_Cabrio-DV-10-MB_i006.jpg)
How gaudy. That doesn't look fake at all.
But wouldn't it be cool if it wasn't fake?
Quote from: Rupert on December 05, 2013, 10:57:10 PM
But wouldn't it be cool if it wasn't fake?
Of course it's fake. Who uses real wood for cars? That'd be like using real horses for horsepower.
Yeah, it is fake, no doubt. But what if it wasn't? It would be awesome!
How long before this gets hot-rodded to the point where it's barely streetable?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 05, 2013, 07:27:19 AM
How gaudy. That doesn't look fake at all.
I am pretty sure that is real.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 05, 2013, 07:27:19 AM
How gaudy. That doesn't look fake at all.
Probably real leather on the seats and wool in the carpeting too. Gaudy AND pretentious.
Quote from: MX793 on December 07, 2013, 10:50:43 AM
How long before this gets hot-rodded to the point where it's barely streetable?
I'm really trying to behave myself here, really. Its just that I didn't really realize that 302 parts could be found so cheap...
Quote from: Galaxy on December 07, 2013, 04:04:06 PM
I am pretty sure that is real.
You mean like from a tree? Did they get rid of the birds and squirrels first at least?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 08, 2013, 11:23:31 PM
You mean like from a tree? Did they get rid of the birds and squirrels first at least?
I think those black lines running through the wood may be whats left of the birds and squirrels.
Average MPG so far?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 24, 2013, 11:25:55 AM
Average MPG so far?
About 14, which seems low to me, but I haven't yet found a cause.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 24, 2013, 03:03:50 PM
About 14, which seems low to me, but I haven't yet found a cause.
Hmmm.... Try driving different. Accent is getting 32-33 in moderate traffic on my short commute because I am driving like I have no brakes. I would normally get 27-29.
I suspect there's a sensor issue that's not quite apparent right now. The TPS was a little off, but just a little. Also, the TV cable probably needs to be adjusted in.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 24, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
I suspect there's a sensor issue that's not quite apparent right now. The TPS was a little off, but just a little. Also, the TV cable probably needs to be adjusted in.
Yeah, just adjust the TV so the only way to downshift is with full throttle. Instant MPG boost.
Bad temp sensors and their wiring on those can really kill MPG. Is the on inside of your tailpipe all sooty?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 25, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
Bad temp sensors and their wiring on those can really kill MPG. Is the on inside of your tailpipe all sooty?
Probably. But it's cold out.
1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham Coupe exhaust. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJdHAedkNY#ws)
this is more important
listen
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 25, 2013, 04:15:06 PM
1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham Coupe exhaust. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJdHAedkNY#ws)
this is more important
listen
Fucking 303 race cam.
Sounds like inefficiency.
Just put a flowmaster on it and adjust the idle as low as you can.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 26, 2013, 06:38:19 PM
Just put a flowmaster on it and adjust the idle as low as you can.
What I'd rather do is find a set of GT40 heads, and the intake from a 5.0 Explorer or an aftermarket one and then a set of shorty headers and then put a flowmaster on it. With the stock cam.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 27, 2013, 08:43:31 AM
What I'd rather do is find a set of GT40 heads, and the intake from a 5.0 Explorer or an aftermarket one and then a set of shorty headers and then put a flowmaster on it. With the stock cam.
Now you're starting to think on this.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 27, 2013, 08:43:31 AM
What I'd rather do is find a set of GT40 heads, and the intake from a 5.0 Explorer or an aftermarket one and then a set of shorty headers and then put a flowmaster on it. With the stock cam.
I know a guy with a V8 Exploder that is falling apart, except the engine runs great.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 27, 2013, 09:49:15 PM
I know a guy with a V8 Exploder that is falling apart, except the engine runs great.
I'm thinking I've a fair chance of finding most of what I'd need at the local pick-a-part. If I can spare a day come spring, that's what I'll do.
The later explorer 5.0 heads were better, they are stamped GT40P earlier ones are just GT40.
Quote from: SVT32V on December 28, 2013, 01:28:30 PM
The later explorer 5.0 heads were better, they are stamped GT40P earlier ones are just GT40.
Everything I've seen says its pretty much a wash between the two for most purposes besides fitting the headers. GT40Ps tend to go cheaper, but the place I'd go to doesn't care. They charge the same price for pretty much all heads- just like they charge a set fee for any V8- which is like $350.
Yeah, I doubt the power would be all that different. IRC, the P version had spark plug location issues relative to the exhaust headers/manifolds making them less friendly. Then again my pushrod 5.0 knowledge is getting old.
Quote from: SVT32V on December 28, 2013, 02:50:09 PM
Yeah, I doubt the power would be all that different. IRC, the P version had spark plug location issues relative to the exhaust headers/manifolds making them less friendly. Then again my pushrod 5.0 knowledge is getting old.
It jives with everthing I've heard so far: although I've yet to physically take a look at either of them, so we'll see.
Without bumping up CR and lower gears bigger heads/cam are gonna kill performance.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 29, 2013, 11:31:17 AM
Without bumping up CR and lower gears bigger heads/cam are gonna kill performance.
Yes, thank you Cougs.
CR?
The explorer GT40P 5.0 (late 90s) only has 9.05 to 1 CR, soups has 8.9 to 1, not a big difference. The cam will be the limiting factor hurting performance.
Quote from: SVT32V on December 29, 2013, 12:53:31 PM
The explorer GT40P 5.0 (late 90s) only has 9.05 to 1 CR, soups has 8.9 to 1, not a big difference. The cam will be the limiting factor hurting performance.
Yeah but also valves and ports and things.
A turbo could fix everything, of course. Imagine boosting that thing to 1 bar - ?Maybe 300,HP @ 3000 RPM.
I would expect soup to get the complete heads from the GT40 explorer, so valves/heads/intake would be the same as the 205 hp explorer.
Turbos would be nice, add a set t-bird turbos and cam 400+hp.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 29, 2013, 01:54:01 PM
Yeah but also valves and ports and things.
A turbo could fix everything, of course. Imagine boosting that thing to 1 bar - ?Maybe 300,HP @ 3000 RPM.
Cougs is right; it's completely ridiculous to think that I could get more power or better mileage from my 24 year old engine without rebuilding every single thing on it. Nobody has ever gotten more than 150 HP from a 302 Windsor before: nobody knows anything about this super rare, extremely high tech engine.
I would be foolish to do anything more than change the oil on it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 28, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
Everything I've seen says its pretty much a wash between the two for most purposes besides fitting the headers. GT40Ps tend to go cheaper, but the place I'd go to doesn't care. They charge the same price for pretty much all heads- just like they charge a set fee for any V8- which is like $350.
In that case, you should pick up a used LS9. Chevy power ftw.
Quote from: SVT32V on December 29, 2013, 02:03:51 PM
I would expect soup to get the complete heads from the GT40 explorer, so valves/heads/intake would be the same as the 205 hp explorer.
Turbos would be nice, add a set t-bird turbos and cam 400+hp.
I would either take the whole engine, or at least the entire top end from the heads up, and the ECM.
I wouldn't replace the engine, as I have really good compression right now on a low mileage car, but having the whole thing let's me take all the little parts too, which often become just as much of a hassle.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 29, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Cougs is right; it's completely ridiculous to think that I could get more power or better mileage from my 24 year old engine without rebuilding every single thing on it. Nobody has ever gotten more than 150 HP from a 302 Windsor before: nobody knows anything about this super rare, extremely high tech engine.
I would be foolish to do anything more than change the oil on it.
Disconnect the smog pump and index your spark plugs. Instant +50 HP.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 29, 2013, 02:07:47 PM
In that case, you should pick up a used LS9. Chevy power ftw.
Yeah, well if one of them shows up at this junkyard, I would. I'd have to think ultra cherry stuff like that never even makes it to the lot though.
Quote from: SVT32V on December 29, 2013, 02:03:51 PM
I would expect soup to get the complete heads from the GT40 explorer, so valves/heads/intake would be the same as the 205 hp explorer.
Turbos would be nice, add a set t-bird turbos and cam 400+hp.
I don't need or really want anything that hot for this car, but 240-250 would be nice.
Just mill the heads when you have them off.
Also, I think a GT40 engine is a good idea. 427 power!
Grab a 460 out of an old F350. Excellent value.
Look, I could be a wagon twin:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4263744152.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4263744152.html)
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 29, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Look, I could be a wagon twin:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4263744152.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4263744152.html)
Those rear seats are awesome. Does that seat just two in the back, or 4?
Quote from: MrH on December 29, 2013, 03:30:04 PM
Those rear seats are awesome. Does that seat just two in the back, or 4?
Just two: and two small people at that. But, I've had three a few times now.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 29, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Cougs is right; it's completely ridiculous to think that I could get more power or better mileage from my 24 year old engine without rebuilding every single thing on it. Nobody has ever gotten more than 150 HP from a 302 Windsor before: nobody knows anything about this super rare, extremely high tech engine.
I would be foolish to do anything more than change the oil on it.
If it was possible to get more power or efficiency from that motor without major reconstructive work to the internals, Ford would have sold it that way from the factory.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 29, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
I don't need or really want anything that hot for this car, but 240-250 would be nice.
Seems reasonable, the 1995 mustang cobra 302 with the gt40 heads/intake (cobra specific cam) with 9.0 to 1 CR made about that hp.
Although unlike the '95 cobra, your engine most likely has boost friendly forged pistons, seems a shame for that to go to waste.:lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 29, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Cougs is right; it's completely ridiculous to think that I could get more power or better mileage from my 24 year old engine without rebuilding every single thing on it. Nobody has ever gotten more than 150 HP from a 302 Windsor before: nobody knows anything about this super rare, extremely high tech engine.
I would be foolish to do anything more than change the oil on it.
Nah, just kinda foolish to see your first timer mistakes in the making. In a big ole smog led sled like that you'd be foolish to not start with gearing first. Bigger heads, cam and the creme de la creme of first timer mistakes, HEADERS, might be sound sexy but it's gonna kill your low end trying to push smog gears.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 30, 2013, 12:25:29 AM
Nah, just kinda foolish to see your first timer mistakes in the making. In a big ole smog led sled like that you'd be foolish to not start with gearing first. Bigger heads, cam and the creme de la creme of first timer mistakes, HEADERS, might be sound sexy but it's gonna kill your low end trying to push smog gears.
Ahh, one day I just might be as all knowing as you.
You don't even know what gears I'm running now, but you automatically know they're wrong. It's brilliant I tell you.
If you were to read, you'd see that I repeatedly am not interested in changing the cam, and if you'd do some research you'd find that the heads I've mentioned flow better but have close to the same valve sizes as the stock ones; and that the exhaust on these is overly restrictive.
You're acting like I'm installing a race cam and a set of long tube headers on a bus; and I just love the "first timer" comment. OK, first time with a Ford engine for sure. A couple of Cadillac mills, a Chevy stroker and a handful of old school VWs though make it definitely NOT a first timer project except for the details.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 30, 2013, 12:37:24 AM
Ahh, one day I just might be as all knowing as you.
You don't even know what gears I'm running now, but you automatically know they're wrong. It's brilliant I tell you.
If you were to read, you'd see that I repeatedly am not interested in changing the cam, and if you'd do some research you'd find that the heads I've mentioned flow better but have close to the same valve sizes as the stock ones; and that the exhaust on these is overly restrictive.
You're acting like I'm installing a race cam and a set of long tube headers on a bus; and I just love the "first timer" comment. OK, first time with a Ford engine for sure. A couple of Cadillac mills, a Chevy stroker and a handful of old school VWs though make it definitely NOT a first timer project except for the details.
And I just "love" the strawman you previously presented ;).
Quote from: GoCougs on December 30, 2013, 12:56:32 AM
And I just "love" the strawman you previously presented ;).
Which would be what?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 30, 2013, 01:08:38 AM
Which would be what?
This piece of foolishness. I never said no such thing:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 29, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Cougs is right; it's completely ridiculous to think that I could get more power or better mileage from my 24 year old engine without rebuilding every single thing on it. Nobody has ever gotten more than 150 HP from a 302 Windsor before: nobody knows anything about this super rare, extremely high tech engine.
I would be foolish to do anything more than change the oil on it.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 30, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
This piece of foolishness. I never said no such thing:
Oh, dude, if you can't see the sarcasm in that post I can't help you much.
Come on, this is a 100% pure goody goodness thread, stop letting old trollboogers derail it.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 30, 2013, 01:42:51 AM
Come on, this is a 100% pure goody goodness thread, stop letting old trollboogers derail it.
The thing is, the engine stuff I've mentioned is pretty far down the list of Things that Need to Be Done.
But, if you buy that blue wagon ( I know, not likely at all), I'll buy the right rear wheel arch trim off of it for a really good price (its already missing the left so it doesn't need the right, right?)
you wouldn't believe how hard that stuff is to find.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 30, 2013, 01:42:51 AM
Come on, this is a 100% pure goody goodness thread, stop letting old trollboogers derail it.
FYA
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 30, 2013, 01:45:40 AM
The thing is, the engine stuff I've mentioned is pretty far down the list of Things that Need to Be Done.
But, if you buy that blue wagon ( I know, not likely at all), I'll buy the right rear wheel arch trim off of it for a really good price (its already missing the left so it doesn't need the right, right?)
you wouldn't believe how hard that stuff is to find.
Engine stuff should be #1
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 02, 2014, 07:49:25 AM
Engine stuff should be #1
Yes, well...
We'll burn that bridge when we cross it.
You got the Bilsteins on yet?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2014, 04:02:06 PM
You got the Bilsteins on yet?
Too cold right now to spend time underneath a car.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 07, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
Too cold right now to spend time underneath a car.
It was 14 degrees here this morning, and I still climbed two cell towers.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2014, 06:42:55 PM
It was 14 degrees here this morning, and I still climbed two cell towers.
At once?
Surely something interesting has happened with this car within a month?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on February 14, 2014, 05:24:19 PM
Surely something interesting has happened with this car within a month?
No, not really. Found out the heat really struggles when it's below zero
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 14, 2014, 05:44:04 PM
No, not really. Found out the heat really struggles when it's below zero
Piece of cardboard in front of the radiator always works.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 14, 2014, 06:06:38 PM
Piece of cardboard in front of the radiator always works.
Yeah. But, The coolant when I got it was pretty muddy, so I'm assuming there's a good build up of crap in the radiator and the heater core, even after I flushed it, I could never get it to run really clear. Its not a big enough thing for me to worry about right now, but eventually I might be replacing the rad and the heater core.
Try throwing a thermostat in it before going to all that trouble. It may be all you need.
Quote from: Madman on February 14, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
Try throwing a thermostat in it before going to all that trouble. It may be all you need.
Yeah, we'll see. Like I said, I'm not worrying about it right now.
Headers = radiant heating.
Well, found at least a littel of the heater problem; there's no clutch on the fan. Somebody at some time put a spacer on it, so the fan runs constantly.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 16, 2014, 02:17:23 PM
Well, found at least a littel of the heater problem; there's no clutch on the fan. Somebody at some time put a spacer on it, so the fan runs constantly.
I have a thermostatic clutch intended for a Jaguar that's a bit too short for me. You can have it if it fits - it's a Hayden 2765.
Well, the Truckster failed me for the first time today. She cranks, but won't start, and after covering all the basics, I'm sending it to the shop to get fixed. I'm thinking the coil gave out, but as I have no time to deal with it today, I'm having it towed to a mechanic I know.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 12, 2014, 08:37:32 AM
Well, the Truckster failed me for the first time today. She cranks, but won't start, and after covering all the basics, I'm sending it to the shop to get fixed. I'm thinking the coil gave out, but as I have no time to deal with it today, I'm having it towed to a mechanic I know.
Mild weather with a lot of moisture in the air...hairline cracks in distributor cap or coil?
Quote from: FoMoJo on March 12, 2014, 10:14:21 AM
Mild weather with a lot of moisture in the air...hairline cracks in distributor cap or coil?
Actually, it's pretty frenzy right now.
Anyways, yeah. Took the cap off, wiped off the insides, put it back on. She starts right up.
Tow truck was already on its way though, so she's going to the shop anyways. Lots of other stuff for them to work on while it's there I suppose.
Ok. So. The tow truck backed into my driveway, missed, and got stuck.
I was almost ready to pull him out with the wagon before he got himself unstuck...
lolz
Did the high performance suspension go on yet?
Quote from: MrH on March 12, 2014, 02:08:50 PM
Did the high performance suspension go on yet?
The shocks are on in the back, but not the front yet. Not as harsh as I'd expected, and I already notice a huge difference in squat and dive. I might just ask if this guy will put the fronts on for me.
Mechanics are for girly men.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 12, 2014, 02:57:53 PM
Mechanics are for girly men.
Well, he did meet Joe so that probably lowered his manliness by quite a bit
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Quote from: NomisR on March 12, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
Well, he did meet Joe so that probably lowered his manliness by quite a bit
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My manliness is not that fragile. Now excuse me, my daughter wants to paint my nails.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
My manliness is not that fragile. Now excuse me, my daughter wants to paint my nails.
French manicures are manly enough. Go for it if she has the skill.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 14, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
French manicures are manly enough. Go for it if she has the skill.
She's two. She barely has the skills to get it on my fingernail.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 14, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
She's two. She barely has the skills to get it on my fingernail.
I still say push for the French.
(http://cdn.sulitstatic.com/images/2010/1214/081936241_dsc00066.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on March 14, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
(http://cdn.sulitstatic.com/images/2010/1214/081936241_dsc00066.jpg)
Yeah. Not a bad way to go. You don't think it looks too sportsy for a wood covered wagon?
I don't think so.
(http://image.rakuten.co.jp/mooneyes/cabinet/ikou_20100301_003/img10152107651.jpg?_ex=128x128)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i251/bruceholder/Rascal/Shots/BR0013.jpg~original)
(http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/parts/000/002/231/887/2231887/p1.jpg?ct=5730c16a6227)
(http://www.mooneyes.co.jp/shopping/enkeibaja/y30.jpg)
Not enough spokes
They work on the green car there: then again, its not covered in fake wood either...
Well, got the new shocks on the car today. Huge difference in handling at only a minor penalty on the ride over rough roads only. If the roads around here weren't completely bombed out by the spring thaw, it'd be awesome all around. I'm definitely going to have to hit the junkyards and find a CVPI sway bar and springs when I get a chance.
It also occurs to me that I should have run baseline skidpad and braking numbers with this phone app before starting to tinker with things.
I just saw a set of these kind of concave-ish wheels on a Crown Victoria earlier today and thought "those might look good"
https://www.myoemwheels.com/products-page/ford/oem-ford-crown-victoria-wheel-factory-original-rim-3471-1w7z1007aa/ (https://www.myoemwheels.com/products-page/ford/oem-ford-crown-victoria-wheel-factory-original-rim-3471-1w7z1007aa/)
They might.
Think the waggin has developed a slight head gasket leak (no, that's not at all like being sorta pregnant); coolant has turned brownish. No foam, no milky look in the oil, no weird engine temp spikes, and no loss of power and she stills purrs like a kitten, so its gotta be small.
I ran the Toronado with foaming coolant for an entire summer before I sold it to some Jehovah's witness kid (an act I no longer feel badly about), and I'm gonna give some of that Blue devil sealer stuff a try; but this might end up bumping up my plans for engine stuffs.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 05, 2014, 12:57:49 AM
but this might end up bumping up my plans for engine stuffs.
Awesome.
Quote from: Rupert on April 05, 2014, 12:57:15 PM
Awesome.
All I need to start out with is a couple of days in a junkyard finding stuff. It's going to be a lot easier finding 302s to wortk with than it ever was finding 472/500 Cadillac stuff.
Well, finally got around to solving the wheel/tire problem. I'm having the originals re-powdercoated and going to 225 rubber, which is the same size spec'd for the police cars of that era. So, its a very mild change really, but I had a Mercury Marauder wheel on the left rear just to see how it looked and it looked like ass.
Then, I found a crack on one of the wheels, so I went to the junkyard to find another one: which I did, but I also got most of the the top of a V8 Explorer engine with it. Two GT40P heads, wiring harness, ECU and intake manifold up to the air cleaner.
Don't have any idea how long it'll be until I actually do anything with it, but at least I won't be able to claim I'm bored.
This car sucks. You need a swagger wagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI)
Quote from: 68_427 on August 01, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
This car sucks. You need a swagger wagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI)
That's hilarious.
But, no.
Get some hedders for them heds
Quote from: 68_427 on August 01, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
This car sucks. You need a swagger wagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI)
Motherfathers :lol:.
That is a fantastic video.
This was the second car I owned: 1986 Volvo 240GL Estate. It had a 2.3L four with a single Solex carb, manual transmission. It had been owned by the investment bank I used to work for & had minimal mileage When I first saw it, it was in an underground parking garage in London, where it had been parked in a dark corner for more than a year. It was covered in such a thick layer of dust that it was hard to see the paint. But it was a dry environment, and it was in great shape underneath the grime. I miss it. Never gave me any problems. Sold it when I moved to the USA in 1992.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x163/fairalbion/Volvo240GLEstatesm_zps28bf1c61.jpeg)
Quote from: J86 on August 02, 2014, 08:24:38 AM
That is a fantastic video.
the original is better
I can't watch the "oh shit white people don't normally do this" schtick any more.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 03, 2014, 06:33:11 PM
I can't watch the "oh shit white people don't normally do this" schtick any more.
Here, have some more! :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVde5HPhYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVde5HPhYo)
The Truckster got smoked by a whale with bad shocks today.
On the way home I spotted a Caprice wagon; beige with wood, so it matched the Mercury. I think the dual exhaust marks it as a '94-'96 with the LT1 engine. Old dude drivin' it had a fierce grey old man beard, like he was a sea captain from the age of sail.
So, I pulled up next to him with my wrist draped over the wheel, and look over at him and rev the engine. I shit you not, but this old dude pulls out a corn cob pipe and lights i, and manages to just take a puff before the light turns. I think he's just ignoring me, but he nails it and the Caprice scoots off with surprising speed and a slight tire squeal. I've got no chance, but try anyways. It's no good, and that dude's tail lights just keep gettin smaller in front of me.
You had 47 horsepower when that car was new. Did you expect anything else?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2014, 06:57:40 AM
The Truckster got smoked by a whale with bad shocks today.
On the way home I spotted a Caprice wagon; beige with wood, so it matched the Mercury. I think the dual exhaust marks it as a '94-'96 with the LT1 engine. Old dude drivin' it had a fierce grey old man beard, like he was a sea captain from the age of sail.
So, I pulled up next to him with my wrist draped over the wheel, and look over at him and rev the engine. I shit you not, but this old dude pulls out a corn cob pipe and lights i, and manages to just take a puff before the light turns. I think he's just ignoring me, but he nails it and the Caprice scoots off with surprising speed and a slight tire squeal. I've got no chance, but try anyways. It's no good, and that dude's tail lights just keep gettin smaller in front of me.
Time to swap for one of these...
(http://www.roushperformance.com/i/engines/427-R-sm.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2014, 06:57:40 AM
The Truckster got smoked by a whale with bad shocks today.
On the way home I spotted a Caprice wagon; beige with wood, so it matched the Mercury. I think the dual exhaust marks it as a '94-'96 with the LT1 engine. Old dude drivin' it had a fierce grey old man beard, like he was a sea captain from the age of sail.
So, I pulled up next to him with my wrist draped over the wheel, and look over at him and rev the engine. I shit you not, but this old dude pulls out a corn cob pipe and lights i, and manages to just take a puff before the light turns. I think he's just ignoring me, but he nails it and the Caprice scoots off with surprising speed and a slight tire squeal. I've got no chance, but try anyways. It's no good, and that dude's tail lights just keep gettin smaller in front of me.
Ha, ha, great kill'd story! Those LT1 sleds have guts - not a bad sendoff really to the model.
Those LT1 sleds are absolutely awesome. I always felt like some 285s in the back would be nice on those.
Quote from: CJ on November 11, 2014, 08:41:11 AM
You had 47 horsepower when that car was new. Did you expect anything else?
I did not expect the corn cob pipe. Other than that, not really.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2014, 06:57:40 AM
The Truckster got smoked by a whale with bad shocks today.
On the way home I spotted a Caprice wagon; beige with wood, so it matched the Mercury. I think the dual exhaust marks it as a '94-'96 with the LT1 engine. Old dude drivin' it had a fierce grey old man beard, like he was a sea captain from the age of sail.
So, I pulled up next to him with my wrist draped over the wheel, and look over at him and rev the engine. I shit you not, but this old dude pulls out a corn cob pipe and lights i, and manages to just take a puff before the light turns. I think he's just ignoring me, but he nails it and the Caprice scoots off with surprising speed and a slight tire squeal. I've got no chance, but try anyways. It's no good, and that dude's tail lights just keep gettin smaller in front of me.
Best nautical tale I've read since
Old Man and the Sea.
Quote from: MX793 on November 11, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
Best nautical tale I've read since Old Man and the Sea.
:clap:
Quote from: MX793 on November 11, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
Best nautical tale I've read since Old Man and the Sea.
:golfclap:
I should rename the Truckster "Pequod," buy that Roush mill Rock suggested and go on a search for the white whale that shamed me...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 11, 2014, 04:28:51 PM
:golfclap:
I should rename the Truckster "Pequod," buy that Roush mill Rock suggested and go on a search for the white whale that shamed me...
"Oh he's not a whale, he's the devil himself!"
Yeah, no shame in losing to one of those LT1 sleds.
You should be able to get around 200-something horsepower if you get the stock intake/top end off of there and change the cam (don't Ford cams like to wear lobes more from that era?). Dodge will push me back about as hard as the Tribute did in 1st once it gets on the torque curve, and I have 2.93s and the weakest cam Summit offers.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 15, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
You should be able to get around 200-something horsepower if you get the stock intake/top end off of there and change the cam (don't Ford cams like to wear lobes more from that era?). Dodge will push me back about as hard as the Tribute did in 1st once it gets on the torque curve, and I have 2.93s and the weakest cam Summit offers.
Lots of proven and cheap ways to make decent horsepressure from this engine; and ill get around to them sooner or later...
Bwahahaa!
I now have working power locks and windows on all five doors bitches! Modern conveniences!
You need this
Quote from: 68_427 on August 30, 2016, 01:55:21 AM
Paging Soup. Perfect waggo replacement. The ultimate outdated family truckster
http://fargo.craigslist.org/cto/5757199227.html
(https://images.craigslist.org/00c0c_2FeBbXCa5sh_600x450.jpg)
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1991 Suburban MINT we ordered this truck new had a LeRoy's Custom Paint Murals painted entire truck. NO RUST has always been stored inside on concrete every winter never had snow on the vehicle. (It was started weekly- drove around block a few times to keep moving and battery all charged up) This has been our baby. We rarely take it out in the rain. Now with heavy hearts we decided to sell. Downsizing . We don't have to sell this but hope we can find this Suburban a special home.
It has 56,300 miles on truck. Everything works perfect. Not one repair is needed. Engine spotless as well as interior. No drips under body. No smoking, no pets or kids - we never ate in the truck either. It's like new SHOWROOM Quality. This truck will take a special buyer who loves a vehicle like this. It was the last largest style Chevrolet Suburban made. Next year 1992 went to a different body style and interior got smaller.
5.7 Liter EFI V8 350 4-Spd Auto Transmission with Overdrive
Four wheel drive. Power Windows Power Exterior Mirrors- Stereo radio with cassette play. Air Conditioning Front Only. Engine Oil Cooling System, Locking Differential Rear Axle, Front Quad Shock Absorbers, Rally Wheels, Heavy Duty Radiator and Transmission Oil Cooler, heavy duty front springs, Locking Hubs -automatic, Cold climate package, Rear Axle 3.42 ratio
Interior has light gray custom cloth velor reclining bucket seats, center large console, large back seat and 3 rear seat that is removeable and large area behind seat for more storage.
Bridgestone Tires 3 years old Full size spare tire - Tinted glass all windows factory, 37 gallon fuel tank - it averages 12-16 mpg. Factory Receiver Hitch 2"
Custom extra specials purchased and installed by LeRoy's Custom Paint were: Lighted Visor, Lighted Stainless Steel running boards with lights, top and rear deflectors. Husband says if you have to change a part all screws turn loosely as there is no rust. *** Never been in an accident*****
Vehicle has been maintained 100% work done at a Chevrolet Dealership - all fluids have been changed trany, radiator, with age not mileage.
Mechanically the truck is in absolutely excellent condition as well. Engine runs nice and smooth and Transmission is strong, with nice smooth shifts. 4 wheel drive works well. . No repairs are needed. Truck has always been reliable. I have never beat on this truck - Reason for low mileage we have 2 other vehicles so keeping mileage pretty low.
You won't find a nicer clean reliable truck out here. FYI - you will not be able to get a bank loan on this age of a vehicle. ( Clear Title) I will accept CASH ONLY. no personal checks or cashier checks. We will have title transferred in person with both buyer and seller present at a city DMV licensing place. (I also will not accept Pay Pal.)
Please be serious if you are interested in purchasing this Fantastic Suburban. All serious offered will be considered. Buying this truck is a steal compared to the new 2016 is over $60-70,000. Crazy.
One of those verbose CL ads. There's an old Dodge pickup in the local CL that some guy's been trying to sell for two months. Grossly overpriced. Long thing about how special the truck is, In reality, just another Junker in CL :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 08:28:37 AM
You need this
I would totally rock that. But not for sixteen grand.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 08:28:37 AM
You need this
(https://images.craigslist.org/00c0c_2FeBbXCa5sh_600x450.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif)
Ahh, that feeling I get when I drive by the shop that told me my car wouldn't last a month without a new engine; and I'm in that same car with the same engine years later, and your shop is out of business.
That's right bitches; my car is still running and your entire shit ass garage is being demolished.
You need a new engine.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 15, 2016, 06:52:18 PM
But first: a heater core!
Put this in the trunk
(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/173/173662_2000x2000.jpg)
It'll be like having an afterburner! If only I could find the trunk
In my Aveo I would turn-off my A/C in the middle of a highway pull and yell, "Aaaaafterburneeeeeeeer!!!"
LMAO.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 15, 2016, 06:25:17 PM
Ahh, that feeling I get when I drive by the shop that told me my car wouldn't last a month without a new engine; and I'm in that same car with the same engine years later, and your shop is out of business.
That's right bitches; my car is still running and your entire shit ass garage is being demolished.
Okay, so just a day after this, my rear main seal started leaking like a stuck pig. Karma's a bitch, I guess. I could limp it through the winter, but I don't think I'm going to. Honda dealership has a Land Cruiser for sale at the right price. Ima gonna check it out.
Aww hell yeah.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 19, 2016, 03:11:20 PM
Okay, so just a day after this, my rear main seal started leaking like a stuck pig. Karma's a bitch, I guess. I could limp it through the winter, but I don't think I'm going to. Honda dealership has a Land Cruiser for sale at the right price. Ima gonna check it out.
Land Cruiser to drive, Wagon Queen for monster motor build ... ?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 19, 2016, 03:40:05 PM
Land Cruiser to drive, Wagon Queen for monster motor build ... ?
Yes
One hopes.
:lol: I approve of this plan. Got a link to this land cruiser?
Do you still have a 500 Caddy motor in the garage?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on December 19, 2016, 04:42:25 PM
Do you still have a 500 Caddy motor in the garage?
Yes. Technically, I have a 472 bored .060 over in the garage. I also have a car it's supposed to go into, but that's another story.
Quote from: MrH on December 19, 2016, 04:33:57 PM
:lol: I approve of this plan. Got a link to this land cruiser?
http://www.pagehondabloomfield.com/used/Toyota/2003-Toyota-Land+Cruiser-e8b06a7e0a0e0a1771591b193bb88acd.htm
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 19, 2016, 06:25:18 PM
Yes. Technically, I have a 472 bored .060 over in the garage. I also have a car it's supposed to go into, but that's another story.
Full time 4wd? Great MPG. Should be able to slam it on airbags and put a supercharger on it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 19, 2016, 06:26:13 PM
http://www.pagehondabloomfield.com/used/Toyota/2003-Toyota-Land+Cruiser-e8b06a7e0a0e0a1771591b193bb88acd.htm
Wow. Incredibly clean for the mileage. I've seen much rougher ones go for more. Seems like a great deal.
If you don't buy it, someone else on here should :lol:
Quote from: MrH on December 19, 2016, 08:07:40 PM
Wow. Incredibly clean for the mileage. I've seen much rougher ones go for more. Seems like a great deal.
If you don't buy it, someone else on here should :lol:
Done deal. I'll post pics tomorrow when I pick it up.
It's not quite as clean as it looks in the photos, but nothing that's going to worry me.
How much did you end up getting it for? $9,000?
:rockon:
Quote from: MrH on December 20, 2016, 02:51:36 PM
How much did you end up getting it for? $9,000?
9600. Not all of us can be hardcore deal makers. Still below market value.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 20, 2016, 02:49:14 PM
Done deal. I'll post pics tomorrow when I pick it up.
It's not quite as clean as it looks in the photos, but nothing that's going to worry me.
Nice truck. Congratulations.
http://www.bulletcars.com/superchargers/toyota/landcruiser/4.7-litre-vvti-v82uzfe-200%20Series-supercharger-system.html
Nice! I was hoping it was a generation or two before that though.
Quote from: Rupert on December 21, 2016, 03:37:50 PM
Nice! I was hoping it was a generation or two before that though.
Really, I was too; but they're a bit hard to find at the right price and not complete basket cases. I made a new thread. Feel free to harass my suburbanite wannabe cred there.
I wanna see land cruiser
Quote from: 68_427 on December 25, 2016, 04:07:50 AM
I wanna see land cruiser
I'll get some time to take pics today maybe. Things have been nuts here, I have 13 people staying at my house. (It's not that big)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 25, 2016, 07:24:56 AM
I'll get some time to take pics today maybe. Things have been nuts here, I have 13 people staying at my house. (It's not that big)
13 people? Maybe Land Cruiser wasn't a big enough answer.
This should fit the whole family, with room to spare:
(https://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_hDCGP8zgAiU_600x450.jpg)
cylinders: 6 cylinders
fuel: diesel
title status: clean
transmission: manual
Motorhome project. Ford School Bus on International truck chassis. Peterbilt 379 front end. Dt466e diesel engine 50,000 miles like new period 6 Speed Spicer transmission 50,000 miles like new. Many parts to assemble. Will sell without engine and transmission very cheap. Engine is worth more than I'm asking for the whole project. Motivated seller make offer
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Harry
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/5879349500.html
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 25, 2016, 07:24:56 AM
I'll get some time to take pics today maybe. Things have been nuts here, I have 13 people staying at my house. (It's not that big)
Hahahaha, poor bastard.
She's gone; sold for a hundred dollars more than I paid.
What's next?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 03, 2022, 03:01:29 PM
Finish rebuilding the bike- and then who knows?
Ride the bike to Argentina
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 03, 2022, 04:50:48 PM
Ride the bike to Argentina
Lolz. No.
I'd be more likely to do that in a boat.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 03, 2022, 05:03:58 PM
Lolz. No.
I'd be more likely to do that in a boat.
I could live on a boat. My sea legs are better than my land legs, and I always sleep so well on the water.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 03, 2022, 05:23:26 PM
I could live on a boat. My sea legs are better than my land legs, and I always sleep so well on the water.
How do you feel about very slow boats that are always leaning?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 03, 2022, 07:20:00 PM
How do you feel about very slow boats that are always leaning?
That's fine, as long as my feet aren't above my head for long periods.
How sad :-(
And the old Land Cruiser went up in flames?
Quote from: mzziaz on October 07, 2022, 06:09:21 AM
How sad :-(
And the old Land Cruiser went up in flames?
I'm not entirely happy with the decision either.
The '03 Land Cruiser burnt, very soon after I bought it. The '02 I drove without issue for about 7 years, until I traded it in last year for the 4Runner.
This makes me feel old.
Also, a 4Runner is far too mainstream for you, imo.
I'm sure it is is a great vehicle to dd, though
Quote from: mzziaz on October 07, 2022, 04:19:07 PM
This makes me feel old.
Also, a 4Runner is far too mainstream for you, imo.
I'm sure it is is a great vehicle to dd, though
Well, I do have the CB750.