Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2009, 07:37:00 PM

You must really enjoy the totally mundane Sedona, huh?

It's fine, but no design standard.

I know this statement is incompatible with your tastes, but a design doesn't have to be ridiculous or bizarre to avoid being dull.

The grilles on the new Toyotas are absolutely hideous.  Get rid of the grilles and the Sienna and the Venza look great.

Should make a great taxi!

What the hell is the point of a Sienna SE?

Without the overly-garish grilles and fussily-sculpted bonnet, the exterior is quite acceptable. Goodness knows what is going on with that dashboard, however - it looks as if I made it out of cornflakes and stuck on photographs of wood floors cut out of magazines from 2002.

For comparison's sake, here's the dashboard of the similarly-sized Toyota Tarago sold here:

For all our model's flaws, at leas they didn't try to give it center-mounted gauges.

Quote from: ifcar on December 04, 2009, 08:20:06 AM
For all our model's flaws, at leas they didn't try to give it center-mounted gauges.

Quote from: ifcar on December 04, 2009, 08:20:06 AM
For all our model's flaws, at leas they didn't try to give it center-mounted gauges.

Do not want. Not in the Yaris, not in the Tarago, not in a Mini.

That is hideous. 

Guys, it's a minivan. Other than the ugly new Toyota grille it looks fine for what it is. All vans are dull and ugly.

Quote from: Onslaught on December 06, 2009, 07:07:25 AM
Guys, it's a minivan. Other than the ugly new Toyota grille it looks fine for what it is. All vans are dull and ugly.

I like the Mazda5.

Quote from: Raza  link=topic=20625.msg1218417#msg1218417 date=1260108694
I like the Mazda5.

It's small as hell so it's not as ugly. Blow it up and it be just like any other van.

Actually if you blew it up then it be all over the place.

Quote from: Onslaught on December 06, 2009, 07:15:36 AM
It's small as hell so it's not as ugly. Blow it up and it be just like any other van.

Actually if you blew it up then it be all over the place.

The Odyssey is a fantastic-looking car:






I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the Mitsubishi Grandis, too (although not the ugly new front end)

Quote from: omicron on December 06, 2009, 07:29:39 AM
The Odyssey is a fantastic-looking car:

Uh huh, and what's its cargo capacity compared to a US minivan?

Another great looking minivan:

Quote from: ifcar on December 06, 2009, 08:10:28 AM
Uh huh, and what's its cargo capacity compared to a US minivan?

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume you already know the answer to that one, and that it's probably about ten square kilometres, a cheeseburger and a clicky pencil less than a Sienna.

Quote from: omicron on December 06, 2009, 08:14:41 AM
I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume you already know the answer to that one, and that it's probably about ten square kilometres, a cheeseburger and a clicky pencil less than a Sienna.

I don't know exactly, but it was a rhetorical question in the sense that yes, if you make a vehicle much less practical you have a lot more styling leeway.

Quote from: omicron on December 06, 2009, 07:29:39 AM
The Odyssey is a fantastic-looking car:

wow, makes you wonder why Honda ever bothered with giving us the Crosstour. This looks very sharp in black.

If it didn't have the goofy lower body kit, that would look fantastic (for a van at least)

It look ok for what it is. But they're not "fantastic" looking.

Quote from: Onslaught on December 06, 2009, 07:07:25 AM
Guys, it's a minivan. Other than the ugly new Toyota grille it looks fine for what it is. All vans are dull and ugly.

Quote from: ifcar on December 06, 2009, 08:10:28 AM
Uh huh, and what's its cargo capacity compared to a US minivan?

Considering that it's smaller the the US Odyssey but larger than Accord wagon, why don't you guess?

Quote from: 2o6 on December 06, 2009, 09:51:14 AM

Considering that it's smaller the the US Odyssey but larger than Accord wagon, why don't you guess?

I guess 90 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats folded.



Trying to check my guess, I'm not finding that stat anywhere. But it does look as though cargo capacity wouldn't be close to that guess; an Australian site says the Odyssey has less space than a Kia Rondo -- a car with exactly half the room of a Sienna.

To be fair, the Odyssey is old.

Quote from: 2o6 on December 06, 2009, 10:15:07 AM
To be fair, the Odyssey is old.

The Rondo and the outgoing Sienna aren't exactly brand new either.

Quote from: 2o6 on December 06, 2009, 09:49:35 AM

How could I forget?  The Seat Altea is nice too.



I think that's more Mazda5 sized though.

Quote from: Raza  on December 06, 2009, 11:12:29 AM
How could I forget?  The Seat Altea is nice too.


I think that's more Mazda5 sized though.

Smaller. It's the size of a Golf, just taller.

Quote from: 2o6 on December 06, 2009, 09:49:35 AM

That is flat out ugly. Even by minivan standards.

And I don't care about cars from over the pond.