Thing is this is not a race or track car. It's definitely a street car and you bet our bottom dollar can be enjoyed on the street.

You can't "race" it as there is no series, there is no roll cage, fire suppression, ect
You can't take it to a drag strip as you will be booted after 1 run since there is no roll cage

You can take it to track days and drive it along side of $2k miatas and be held up by them though!

Quote from: Onslaught on April 30, 2014, 07:55:15 PM
Well, I doubt anyone on this site will ever really ever have the "problem" of having one of these anyway.

Lebowski might. 

You guys bitch too much.


If an automaker came out with a car you could exploit on public roads , say something g like a 60HP super light RWD something or other, you guys would complain it's too slow. But something like a 350z you say you can't exploit either....


If I owned a car company, I'd make a car that I would want and let you guys catch th fuck up.

You should R1 swap the yaris

Quote from: 2o6 on May 01, 2014, 10:14:08 AM
You guys bitch too much.


If an automaker came out with a car you could exploit on public roads , say something g like a 60HP super light RWD something or other, you guys would complain it's too slow. But something like a 350z you say you can't exploit either....


If I owned a car company, I'd make a car that I would want and let you guys catch th fuck up.

The BRZ/FR-S should be the just right recipe, but people here still complain it's too slow and that the torque dip kills the car

Quote from: 68_427 on May 01, 2014, 10:17:15 AM
You should R1 swap the yaris

There's a gently used turbo setup for the 1.5 around the corner from me for just under $1000....



And that Altima is almost done....

Quote from: MrH on May 01, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
The BRZ/FR-S should be the just right recipe, but people here still complain it's too slow and that the torque dip kills the car

To be fair, the lack of torque got annoying when I drove it

Quote from: 2o6 on May 01, 2014, 10:14:08 AM
You guys bitch too much.


If an automaker came out with a car you could exploit on public roads , say something g like a 60HP super light RWD something or other, you guys would complain it's too slow. But something like a 350z you say you can't exploit either....


If I owned a car company, I'd make a car that I would want and let you guys catch th fuck up.

Hey, when people were complaining about the BRZ, I was saying it was great that it was a car you could have fun with on regular roads.  350Z isn't that much quicker; you can get illegal fast, but not really dangerous.  I mean, regular family sedans are so quick now that they can get illegal quickly, that's not the only criteria.

Quote from: 2o6 on May 01, 2014, 10:14:08 AM
You guys bitch too much.


If an automaker came out with a car you could exploit on public roads , say something g like a 60HP super light RWD something or other, you guys would complain it's too slow. But something like a 350z you say you can't exploit either....


If I owned a car company, I'd make a car that I would want and let you guys catch th fuck up.

I think the Miata and BRZ are about the most perfect cars you can buy now. I could have more fun in them then just about anything on the road.

Quote from: 2o6 on May 01, 2014, 10:14:08 AM
You guys bitch too much.


If an automaker came out with a car you could exploit on public roads , say something g like a 60HP super light RWD something or other, you guys would complain it's too slow. But something like a 350z you say you can't exploit either....


If I owned a car company, I'd make a car that I would want and let you guys catch th fuck up.

My problem is not that it isn't fun, it's more the absolute, lomg-term unnatainabilty of it. For example, a current GT3 I might be able to get used say in 8 years if I'm lucky. This. Never.

Maybe I need to think bigger but it's a fucking million dollars +. Same reaso cars like a Veyron I don't really care about.

Plus you have to have a history of buying Ferraris to get on the list. (I'm assuming, since IIRC that's how it was with the Enzo and other top models)

Quote from: hotrodalex on May 01, 2014, 06:58:37 PM
Plus you have to have a history of buying Ferraris to get on the list. (I'm assuming, since IIRC that's how it was with the Enzo and other top models)

That's how it is with all Ferraris except possibly the California.  To get a new Ferrari, you have to currently own a Ferrari (which generally means you need to start with a used one).

Amazing but definitely overkill. A phenomenal technical exercise... but at the end of the day, downright stupid on the street. If you can afford one of these you can afford regular track sessions... in which case, you don't need the hybrid tech or the safety stuff. I get the FXX cars now.

Quote from: MrH on May 01, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
The BRZ/FR-S should be the just right recipe, but people here still complain it's too slow and that the torque dip kills the car

It is, and it does. Good car, but far from perfect, especially in flat gridline Ohio. But then you have always seemed more concerned about cars' "philosophies" than their driving experiences.

BRZ/FR-S would be about perfect with 500ccs more displacement, ~30HP and a normal torque curve... none of which would come at any weight penalty, as shown by various other engines.

Quote from: MX793 on May 01, 2014, 07:46:26 PM
That's how it is with all Ferraris except possibly the California.  To get a new Ferrari, you have to currently own a Ferrari (which generally means you need to start with a used one).

Here I can walk into a dealership (theoretically of course!) and order anything on the Ferrari product list except this LaFerrari.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 03, 2014, 08:28:39 AM
Amazing but definitely overkill. A phenomenal technical exercise... but at the end of the day, downright stupid on the street. If you can afford one of these you can afford regular track sessions... in which case, you don't need the hybrid tech or the safety stuff. I get the FXX cars now.

No hybrid tech = slower car.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 03, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
It is, and it does. Good car, but far from perfect, especially in flat gridline Ohio. But then you have always seemed more concerned about cars' "philosophies" than their driving experiences.

BRZ/FR-S would be about perfect with 500ccs more displacement, ~30HP and a normal torque curve... none of which would come at any weight penalty, as shown by various other engines.

You've driven the briz?

Quote from: Rupert on May 03, 2014, 12:50:46 PM
You've driven the briz?

Yea there is a Scion dealer near me. I know, it's fucked up to test drive cars I'm not gonna buy. But I had to. It was nice. Sharp. But slow. Reminded me of an old Integra, kind of.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 03, 2014, 08:05:23 PM
Yea there is a Scion dealer near me. I know, it's fucked up to test drive cars I'm not gonna buy. But I had to. It was nice. Sharp. But slow. Reminded me of an old Integra, kind of.

Don't feel bad.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 03, 2014, 08:05:23 PM
Yea there is a Scion dealer near me. I know, it's fucked up to test drive cars I'm not gonna buy. But I had to. It was nice. Sharp. But slow. Reminded me of an old Integra, kind of.

If you knew most of the people who worked at the dealers you wouldn't feel bad at all.

Quote from: Onslaught on May 04, 2014, 04:21:57 AM
If you knew most of the people who worked at the dealers you wouldn't feel bad at all.

One of my father in laws is the archetypal car dealer.

What a terrible car.

James May

This is all I can think of when everyone in this thread just bitches about this car.

http://youtu.be/uEY58fiSK8E

Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2014, 09:21:37 PM
This is all I can think of when everyone in this thread just bitches about this car.

http://youtu.be/uEY58fiSK8E

Great routine.

Quote from: hotrodalex on May 03, 2014, 10:19:06 AM
No hybrid tech = slower car.

Slower in what regard? Meaningless magazine straight line tests?

Don't forget, if you run at WOT long enough you will discharge the battery completely. I think it was either the P1 or the 918 that they said they gave just enough battery charge to do 1 ring lap. What happens when that lap is done?

Meanwhile dumping the hybrid stuff means consistent (albeit less manageable) performance all the time, and more importantly, 300-400lb of weight which will definitely make for more speed around a race track, which is where these cars belong

Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2014, 09:21:37 PM
This is all I can think of when everyone in this thread just bitches about this car.

http://youtu.be/uEY58fiSK8E

O pls dont invoke the great Louis C.K. to rationalize your fetish for technological excess. The cars are great technical achievements but there is such a thing as too much performance depending on the individual. This would be a waste on the street, and the hybrid systems aren't of much use on the track. They did answer the question "can someone make a 900HP car that meets modern emissions standards" though. It's this kind of spec fetishizing that makes me hate these spec focused cars even more to be honest.

Interior panel gaps are too large.

You're really confused on what the meaning of "slower" is?

All three manufacturers said the cars will be significantly slower without the hybrid tech.  Most of the systems aren't 300-400 lbs, but besides, the weight is all very low and central to the vehicle.  Not nearly as big of an impact.

I must laugh at all the anti-hybrid talk. I welcome them working and improving the electrics for future cars that I can own. It's the one and only time trickle down ideas actually happens.
And stop throwing out numbers of how much this stuff weighs unless you have the numbers to back it up.

Hybrid tech has added a lot of performance to F1 as well but I'm still just not a fan.