Everything is subordinate to the smartphone.

Old people vote.  Poor memory, poor coordination, poor reflexes, poor eyesight...probably shouldn't have a driver's license.  Try getting a law requiring greater testing for the elderly to drive. 

Yet another reason to buy manual transmissions.

Quote from: Tave on May 17, 2018, 05:27:28 AM
Yet another reason to buy manual transmissions.

How does that prevent you from forgetting to shut your car off after you pull into your garage?

Quote from: MX793 on May 17, 2018, 05:33:59 AM
How does that prevent you from forgetting to shut your car off after you pull into your garage?

Because taking your foot off the clutch kills the engine.  Unless you're one of those savages who likes to park out of gear.

That actually reminds me; do new manual cars still do that auto-shutoff thing? Or do they get an exemption from that?

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 17, 2018, 05:51:16 AM
That actually reminds me; do new manual cars still do that auto-shutoff thing? Or do they get an exemption from that?

Stop-start?  They can have it, the M3 had it.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 17, 2018, 05:51:16 AM
That actually reminds me; do new manual cars still do that auto-shutoff thing? Or do they get an exemption from that?

I think it depends. IIRC the Golf R auto has stop/start but the Golf R manual does not (mine does not, but I think it started on the auto the year after I bought mine). I don't think there is a mechanical reason they can NOT have it though.

Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 17, 2018, 06:02:57 AM
I think it depends. IIRC the Golf R auto has stop/start but the Golf R manual does not (mine does not, but I think it started on the auto the year after I bought mine). I don't think there is a mechanical reason they can NOT have it though.

Seems like it would be annoying to the driver, but IDK.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 17, 2018, 06:27:58 AM

Seems like it would be annoying to the driver, but IDK.

It would only stop if gearshift was in neutral, and depressing the clutch would immediately restart the engine. Pretty seemless, but if it bothered you there was a button to turn it off.

Quote from: Tave on May 17, 2018, 05:37:43 AM
Because taking your foot off the clutch kills the engine.  Unless you're one of those savages who likes to park out of gear.

I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

Quote from: MrH on May 17, 2018, 06:43:01 AM
I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

Decisions like that are why god punished you with baldness. 

Quote from: Lebowski on May 17, 2018, 06:30:36 AM
It would only stop if gearshift was in neutral, and depressing the clutch would immediately restart the engine. Pretty seemless, but if it bothered you there was a button to turn it off.

That makes sense.

I am not sure if it would bother me or not TBH.

I assumed it would bother me, but it didn't, even w/ all the stop n go and traffic that is my typical driving environment.

Carports for safety.

Quote from: MrH on May 17, 2018, 06:43:01 AM
I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

Same here.  Neutral with the parking brake on unless I'm on a decent hill, then I supplement the brake by also putting the car in gear.

Jesus, you park your car without putting it in gear? Bloody millennials.    Next thing you'll say is you don't push in the clutch when starting the engine, I suppose. 

whut?  It's not hard to leave it in gear so I've ALWAYS done that. And sometimes not used parking brake if it was in garage/ flat. Always parking brake the rest of the time.

How is it hard to leave in gear?

Nobody should trust a parking brake anyways.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 17, 2018, 10:18:02 AM
How is it hard to leave in gear?

Nobody should trust a parking brake anyways.

Putting it in neutral before shutting it off is an extra step anyways.

Quote from: Lebowski on May 17, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
I assumed it would bother me, but it didn't, even w/ all the stop n go and traffic that is my typical driving environment.

A Renault I rented had that feature and it was pretty invisible to me as well. I'd be ok with it on a future car

It's ok if the auto start is seamless.

GM cars are OK. BMW's have the worst auto start.

Quote from: MrH on May 17, 2018, 06:43:01 AM
I'm one of those savages if I'm on flat ground (like my garage)

So do I. Now in a parking lot or whatever it's in gear. In the garage it's almost always out of gear.

I just about always parked neutral on flat ground, which was most places.

It makes it easy when I get home drunk to just take it out of gear and coast into the garage.

I've seen people fail to fully engage their parking brake on gentle slopes and have the car start to roll away from them. Or have a car with a bad brake that is fully engaged to the same. Seems like a pointless risk to take even if you're fairly certain the ground is level.

But regardless, if you're actively thinking about how to shut off the car, you're still a step ahead of the Darwin finalists in the OP. Manuals win again.

Ehhh. I don't trust cable operated parking brakes.  Comes from living in a salty road car eating state, and never knowing when the cable is just gonna say "fuck it" and snap. Even when good, they don't hold well from going in reverse.

I always park in gear, but TBH not because of distrust of my handbrake. It's just habit.

I parked in neutral when I had stickshift. I don't like to rest the car on whatever the "P" locking mechanism is so I always use the parking brake now.

Quote from: 2o6 on May 17, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
It's ok if the auto start is seamless.

GM cars are OK. BMW's have the worst auto start.

My mom's 3-series has it, and man it feels like absolute shit.