BMW M6

[BMWDave]

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[TBR]

This is the first new BMW in 6 years (since the E46) that I have really liked, very nice!

[giant_mtb]

This might seem odd and way out of line...but it reminds me of an Eclipse.

[BMWDave]

This might seem odd and way out of line...but it reminds me of an Eclipse.

Youre odd and way out of line  

[BMWDave]

This is the first new BMW in 6 years (since the E46) that I have really liked, very nice!

Good to hear :)  

[giant_mtb]

This might seem odd and way out of line...but it reminds me of an Eclipse.

Youre odd and way out of line

:ph34r:  

[Raghavan]

s'ok...
they need to reduce the weight more to get a real sports car.

[TBR]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.  

[Raghavan]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

why, cos it has a backseat?

[TBR]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

why, cos it has a backseat?

Partly, but also because it weights 4000 lbs (or close to it).

[MrH]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

[Raghavan]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

how's the M3 a GT?

[BMWDave]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

The M3 is a sports car in my book...it has razar sharp hadling, lots of power, and is very light.  

[TBR]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

Yeah, that is a toughy. It is sort of bit of both, it is too big to be a sports car but rides to rough to be a GT. Really the only 100% sports car BMW sells is the Z4.  

[Raghavan]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

Yeah, that is a toughy. It is sort of bit of both, it is too big to be a sports car but rides to rough to be a GT. Really the only 100% sports car BMW sells is the Z4.

some sports cars looks monstrous.

[TBR]

Like what?

[Raza]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a  GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

The M3 is a sports car in my book...it has razar sharp hadling, lots of power, and is very light.

Your book needs to be thrown in a trash can fire to keep a bum warm at night.  It's not a sports car--it's a GT.  Calling a car what it is isn't a bad thing.  My computer is not a typewriter; it's a computer.  

[BMWDave]

The M6 isn't supposed to be a sports car, that is the job of the M3. The M6 is a? GT, and a darn fast one at that.

I wouldn't call the M3 a sports car either, but instead a slower, more nimble GT car.

The M3 is a sports car in my book...it has razar sharp hadling, lots of power, and is very light.

Your book needs to be thrown in a trash can fire to keep a bum warm at night.  It's not a sports car--it's a GT.  Calling a car what it is isn't a bad thing.  My computer is not a typewriter; it's a computer.

I disagree.  And welcome back  

[R33 GT-R]

Me likey.

[Raghavan]

Like what?

the saleen s7, for one.

[Raza]

Like what?

the saleen s7, for one.

The S7 is the size and price of a house.  It's also not a sports car.

It can be thrown in with the loose category of "supercar" which I think was invented to make cars like the Veyron look like a good idea.  But all in all, it's a GT.

[Raghavan]

Like what?

the saleen s7, for one.

The S7 is the size and price of a house.  It's also not a sports car.

It can be thrown in with the loose category of "supercar" which I think was invented to make cars like the Veyron look like a good idea.  But all in all, it's a GT.

the S7 is NOT a gt.

[Raza]

Like what?

the saleen s7, for one.

The S7 is the size and price of a house.  It's also not a sports car.

It can be thrown in with the loose category of "supercar" which I think was invented to make cars like the Veyron look like a good idea.  But all in all, it's a GT.

the S7 is NOT a gt.

So it's a 2 door, 2 seat, open top car?

[TBR]

Get over the idea that sports cars have to be convertibles, that is no longer an applicable qualification. These days convertible tops add weight and reduce rigidity.  

[Raza]

Get over the idea that sports cars have to be convertibles, that is no longer an applicable qualification. These days convertible tops add weight and reduce rigidity.

I don't care whether or not the industry chose the wrong path--definitions shouldn't change.  Calling a car a GT is not an insult, mind you, you all act as if it is.  An open top (convertible/targa/t tops) is a necessary part of the definition of a sports car.  Just like 2 door, 2 seat.  A 911 will never be a sports car (the GT2 and GT3 come close, but they're fixed roof).

[TBR]

Get over the idea that sports cars have to be convertibles, that is no longer an applicable qualification. These days convertible tops add weight and reduce rigidity.

I don't care whether or not the industry chose the wrong path--definitions shouldn't change.  Calling a car a GT is not an insult, mind you, you all act as if it is.  An open top (convertible/targa/t tops) is a necessary part of the definition of a sports car.  Just like 2 door, 2 seat.  A 911 will never be a sports car (the GT2 and GT3 come close, but they're fixed roof).

Why? Because you think so? Well, you are wrong.  

[Raza]

Get over the idea that sports cars have to be convertibles, that is no longer an applicable qualification. These days convertible tops add weight and reduce rigidity.

I don't care whether or not the industry chose the wrong path--definitions shouldn't change.  Calling a car a GT is not an insult, mind you, you all act as if it is.  An open top (convertible/targa/t tops) is a necessary part of the definition of a sports car.  Just like 2 door, 2 seat.  A 911 will never be a sports car (the GT2 and GT3 come close, but they're fixed roof).

Why? Because you think so? Well, you are wrong.

Fifth Gear defines a sports car as a 2 seat, 2 door, rwd car with a manual transmission and an open top.

So, you're wrong.

[TBR]

Why should we go by Fifth Gear's definition? Everyone else's definition is a rwd car that focuses primarly on sport, something the majority of convertibles no longer do.  

[Raza]

Why should we go by Fifth Gear's definition? Everyone else's definition is a rwd car that focuses primarly on sport, something the majority of convertibles no longer do.

It's the definition that's been used several times, through the ages.  There's a reason the M5 is a "sport sedan" and not a sports car.  The M3 is not a sports car.  The S4, Evo, STi, and 911 are not sports cars.  The Dodge Viper is.  

Get over it man.

[TBR]

Why should we go by Fifth Gear's definition? Everyone else's definition is a rwd car that focuses primarly on sport, something the majority of convertibles no longer do.

It's the definition that's been used several times, through the ages.  There's a reason the M5 is a "sport sedan" and not a sports car.  The M3 is not a sports car.  The S4, Evo, STi, and 911 are not sports cars.  The Dodge Viper is.  

Get over it man.

I have no problem with the S4, Evo, and STi not being called sports cars, they clearly have 4 doors. The 911, on the otherhand, is most definitely a sports car. It focuses on sport, has a low weight, high power, rwd, and 2 doors only. That is what a sports car is. A 911 cabriolet  is no sportier than a 911 Coupe, so how can it be a sports car if the coupe isn't?