Audi A4

[giant_mtb]

That was your mistake.  You never put down a deposit until you have decided that you will get the car.  These cars aren't that rare that you couldn't have found another one if the one in which you were interested had sold.

Car dealers are pretty sleazy.  Usually, the higher end German car dealerships try to at least appear to be a little less sleazy.  This move sounds like something I'd expect from a Chevrolet or Honda dealer.

Keep after them.  If you really want to go ghetto on them, tell them you have a bunch of friends who will show up at their lot with baseball bats and start smashing windshields if you don't get your money back.  That worked for somebody I know.

I certainly wouldn't be afraid to play hardball with them.  I have the receipt, I have my credit card statement, etc.  $200 is a lot of money for a college kid to have tied up.  I could probably call the credit card company today and have them refund it for me, but I'd rather piss and moan and bitch at the dealership.

[dazzleman]

I certainly wouldn't be afraid to play hardball with them.  I have the receipt, I have my credit card statement, etc.  $200 is a lot of money for a college kid to have tied up.  I could probably call the credit card company today and have them refund it for me, but I'd rather piss and moan and bitch at the dealership.

You may not be able to get the money back through the credit card company, if they've already paid the dealership the money.

[MX793]

You may not be able to get the money back through the credit card company, if they've already paid the dealership the money.

You should be able to dispute the charge.

[dazzleman]

You should be able to dispute the charge.

But he approved the charge when he was at the dealer.  They may very well tell him he needs to get the money back from the dealer.  It's not that easy to get money back through the credit card.  I'm not saying he shouldn't try, but I couldn't say success is assured.

[giant_mtb]

I will call them tomorrow; both the saleswoman and the sales manager.  I e-mailed the sales manager earlier today.

[giant_mtb]

Fuckin' wankers.  Sales manager responded with "oh yes, I'll get that taken care of for you! Sorry for the delay!" yesterday.  Said he'd do it yesterday.  Still hasn't.

E-mailed the saleswoman today with a similar e-mail telling her to either go die or give me my money back.  Her choice.

(not really)

[r0tor]

Don't e-amil for serious matters... e-mails are always easier to ignore

[Tave]

Don't e-amil for serious matters... e-mails are always easier to ignore

The good thing about emails is then you have a record of the conversation.

[giant_mtb]

I'm going to go there in person tomorrow if it hasn't been done.  I have a big exam tonight and don't have much time to deal with the bull shit.  After tonight, I'm free and classes are over. 

[r0tor]

The good thing about emails is then you have a record of the conversation.

True, however he needs to escalate to yelling maniacal asshole levels to get his money back and that can not be done effectively over an e-mail because it would just be ignored.

[hotrodalex]

True, however he needs to escalate to yelling maniacal asshole levels to get his money back and that can not be done effectively over an e-mail because it would just be ignored.

I think email first and then in-person lunacy is the best route.

[giant_mtb]

I'm going in tomorrow for sure.  I'm going to take a copy of a letter that I will send to the Michigan Attorney General, the Consumer Protection Division, the FTC, and any other consumer protection agencies I can get my hands on.  I'm a fucking idiot as I no longer have the receipt from the transaction, but that's moderately irrelevant as it is on my bank statement which has all the numbers and dates anyways.

If all else fails, I'll mention that I have a lot of college buddies that would be happy to celebrate the end of the semester by smashing up some glass and sheet metal.

All conversations will be recorded via iPhone.  And if they give me shit for "well, it's non-refundable," I will procure the e-mail sent to me yesterday which explicitly stated that "Yes! I will make sure that your $200 is refunded today. I apologize for the delay."

Fuck these motherfuckers.  I am definitely not taking my Audi there for service once I get 'er.

[MX793]

I'm going in tomorrow for sure.  I'm going to take a copy of a letter that I will send to the Michigan Attorney General, the Consumer Protection Division, the FTC, and any other consumer protection agencies I can get my hands on.  I'm a fucking idiot as I no longer have the receipt from the transaction, but that's moderately irrelevant as it is on my bank statement which has all the numbers and dates anyways.

If all else fails, I'll mention that I have a lot of college buddies that would be happy to celebrate the end of the semester by smashing up some glass and sheet metal.

All conversations will be recorded via iPhone.  And if they give me shit for "well, it's non-refundable," I will procure the e-mail sent to me yesterday which explicitly stated that "Yes! I will make sure that your $200 is refunded today. I apologize for the delay."

Fuck these motherfuckers.  I am definitely not taking my Audi there for service once I get 'er.

I'd recommend against threats of smashing stuff (especially if you're recording).  If, by some coincidence, stuff does happen to get smashed, you'll be pegged as a suspect.  Also might want to be careful about recording conversations unless you get their permission first.  Not sure what the laws are regarding that.

[giant_mtb]

I'm kidding about the threatening part; I'm not that stupid.

And phooey; Michigan law makes it a felony to record conversations without consent from both parties.

Meh.  I don't think they'll give me too much hassle if I go in there and use legal action as a playing card.

EDIT:  Wait a minute...

"Because Michigan?s definition of ?eavesdrop? is to ?overhear, record, amplify or transmit any part of the private discourse of others,? Michigan courts have held that participant recording (even without the consent of the other parties) is not prohibited. Therefore, a party to the conversation can record the conversation himself without obtaining the consent of the other parties. He cannot, however, employ a third party to record the conversation on his behalf without getting the consent of all the parties."

[SVT_Power]

So when are you getting this car?

[giant_mtb]

So when are you getting this car?

Assuming it has arrived at the dealership - which it probably will - I'll be picking it up next Friday on my way home from school.

[giant_mtb]

Got mah $200 back today.  Apparently the sales manager forwarded my initial e-mail to the saleswoman, who had my paperwork.  She claimed that she then proceeded to send me an e-mail asking me for my credit card number.  Which I never received.  Apparently her e-mail is fucked up.

[Catman]

Got mah $200 back today.  Apparently the sales manager forwarded my initial e-mail to the saleswoman, who had my paperwork.  She claimed that she then proceeded to send me an e-mail asking me for my credit card number.  Which I never received.  Apparently her e-mail is fucked up.

Ya, she is fucked up. Yeah.

[giant_mtb]

Ya, she is fucked up. Yeah.

[SVT_Power]

Ya, she is fucked up. Yeah.

Quite frankly, I don't get why you use "ya" and "yeah" in two different spellings in the same sentence.

[Catman]

Quite frankly, I don't get why you use "ya" and "yeah" in two different spellings in the same sentence.

Too many margaritas tonight!  Yeah.

[Tave]

Quite frankly, I don't get why you use "ya" and "yeah" in two different spellings in the same sentence.

"Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

[Catman]

"Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

  BTW, ya and yeah are two different word mang.

[Tave]

  BTW, ya and yeah are two different word mang.

Indeed. One is used by strawberry-blond male bimbos from the fjords of Scandalandia, and the other is used by glassy-eyed burlap-ed beach bumbs from Californada.

I however, was quoting a memorable line from an indelible piece of Americana in an effort to point out the gauche forwardness of questioning your diction on matters so trivial, and now you've forced my hand and here I am writing more and more about this flippant nonsense by the second. Curses to you and the horse you road in on.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I like horses.

[J86]

Indeed. One is used by strawberry-blond male bimbos from the fjords of Scandalandia, and the other is used by glassy-eyed burlap-ed beach bumbs from Californada.

I however, was quoting a memorable line from an indelible piece of Americana in an effort to point out the gauche forwardness of questioning your diction on matters so trivial, and now you've forced my hand and here I am writing more and more about this flippant nonsense by the second. Curses to you and the horse you road in on.

From a slightly less critically acclaimed movie than gone with the wind:

"ro-ad" 

[Catman]

Indeed. One is used by strawberry-blond male bimbos from the fjords of Scandalandia, and the other is used by glassy-eyed burlap-ed beach bumbs from Californada.

I however, was quoting a memorable line from an indelible piece of Americana in an effort to point out the gauche forwardness of questioning your diction on matters so trivial, and now you've forced my hand and here I am writing more and more about this flippant nonsense by the second. Curses to you and the horse you road in on.

I can't read this post its too long.

[dazzleman]

Too many margaritas tonight!  Yeah.

Drunk posting, Greg?  That's great, mang.....I think this is a first....

[giant_mtb]

I can't read this post its too long.

Gregory.

[dazzleman]

Gregory.

Cut him some slack, mang...he's wasted....

Greg, were did you go tonight to get trashed?  It sounds like fun....