worst post-2000 automobile?

[Soup DeVille]

Does he ever tell the cars he's racing that they're racing?

No.

I think its basically anybody who makes eye contact with him is automatically in a race.

I'll have to get a pic of the car.

[Raza]

We didn't get the Echo hatch.

Are you sure?  Gus drives one on Psych. 

[Laconian]

I'd say the Dodge Nitro: everything that was bad about the Jeep Liberty on-road, which was a lot, but without off-road ability.

Also, it looked terrible, it sold poorly, and the ad campaigns were idiotic. It was a colossal F-up at all levels, it seemed.

[MX793]

Is this a list of the worst cars that were all-new post-2000 or any cars still for sale post-2000?  The J-body was awful, but it was also a 1980s design updated in the mid to late 90s.  Not really a post-2000 car.

[Laconian]

You know, even though I halfheartedly defended the Aztek, I have far more disdain for the Rendezvous




For starters, it looks like crap. Yes, I think it looks worse than the Aztek.

It performs like crap; those old pushrod motors sound and feel like crap especially considering that the Rendezvous was aiming for the Lexus RX.

It drives like crap. I drove an Uplander a couple days ago, and it's clear that those cars are platform mates. It's bouncy on glass-smooth roads, and crashy over bumps. It has no confidence in the curves whatsoever.

The interior is total junk; cheap nastiness everywhere you look, no effort to hide the GM parts bin stuff all over the interior.

And to top it off, they're known for being fairly unreliable.

On the plus side, it is quiet and it is roomy....sort of.

What do you expect when a car is engineered in the lab of Dr. Frankenstein?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEQMxdL9ohQ

[2o6]

Are you sure?  Gus drives one on Psych. 

Canada got it, but US didn't.

[2o6]

Is this a list of the worst cars that were all-new post-2000 or any cars still for sale post-2000?  The J-body was awful, but it was also a 1980s design updated in the mid to late 90s.  Not really a post-2000 car.

The fact it existed as long as it did is shameful.

[BENZ BOY15]

I don't think I need to explain this one :

LOL

I really don't know what compelled my dad to buy a Fit. I really don't. It's far from the worst car in the past decade of so....but it's not great. Maybe it's me, but it just doesn't feel substantial. It feels like a tin can....unlike the Accord.

It's also ugly. It's also baby-blue.

[2o6]

LOL

I really don't know what compelled my dad to buy a Fit. I really don't. It's far from the worst car in the past decade of so....but it's not great. Maybe it's me, but it just doesn't feel substantial. It feels like a tin can....unlike the Accord.

It's also ugly. It's also baby-blue.

The Fit is a great car, you just don't like it because its blue and small.

[2o6]

[Soup DeVille]

Solidly bland, but neither good nor bad in most regards.

[2o6]

[2o6]

[Raza]

Canada got it, but US didn't.

Not even California?  I mean, I know it's a TV show, but it is set in California.  Seems odd that they'd get him a car that they mention by name that was never sold in the US under the pretense that it's a company car.

[2o6]

Not even California?  I mean, I know it's a TV show, but it is set in California.  Seems odd that they'd get him a car that they mention by name that was never sold in the US under the pretense that it's a company car.

Nope. Hatchback was Canada only.

[Madman]

Not even California?  I mean, I know it's a TV show, but it is set in California.  Seems odd that they'd get him a car that they mention by name that was never sold in the US under the pretense that it's a company car.

Never seen the show, but maybe it's produced in Vancouver?  A lot of "Hollywood" productions get made just north of the border.

I wonder how hard it would be to import a Canadian Echo hatch?  Since the butt-ugly sedan was already US-certified, I can't imagine it being very difficult.

[MX793]

Never seen the show, but maybe it's produced in Vancouver?  A lot of "Hollywood" productions get made just north of the border.

I wonder how hard it would be to import a Canadian Echo hatch?  Since the butt-ugly sedan was already US-certified, I can't imagine it being very difficult.

It's produced in British Columbia.

[Raza]

Never seen the show, but maybe it's produced in Vancouver?  A lot of "Hollywood" productions get made just north of the border.

I wonder how hard it would be to import a Canadian Echo hatch?  Since the butt-ugly sedan was already US-certified, I can't imagine it being very difficult.

Yeah, it's probably filmed in Canada like everything else, but I'd think they'd have someone checking on that before they started shooting.

I guess not, though.

[Soup DeVille]

Yeah, it's probably filmed in Canada like everything else, but I'd think they'd have someone checking on that before they started shooting.

I guess not, though.

I think the checking involved "get me a cheap, funny looking car."

[CJ]

Chevrolet Aveo, hands down.  Cobalt comes in second.

[2o6]

Chevrolet Aveo, hands down.  Cobalt comes in second.

Ion is worse.

[sportyaccordy]

Reliable, and nothing else.

Sometimes, nothing else is what you want. My mother in law has one, and its a great car for crawling around Florida.

I nominate the 09+ GT-R. A technological tour de force for sure, but a philosophical embodiment of everything wrong with "drivers" cars today. Ugly, heavy, complex, expensive, literally designed to reward an absence of skill, weighs 2 tons and only seats two. Its a street car with performance you can't access + use, and a track car that doesn't help you hone your skills. I really don't get it. Where is the GT-R in its element.

[2o6]

Sometimes, nothing else is what you want. My mother in law has one, and its a great car for crawling around Florida.

I nominate the 09+ GT-R. A technological tour de force for sure, but a philosophical embodiment of everything wrong with "drivers" cars today. Ugly, heavy, complex, expensive, literally designed to reward an absence of skill, weighs 2 tons and only seats two. Its a street car with performance you can't access + use, and a track car that doesn't help you hone your skills. I really don't get it. Where is the GT-R in its element.

This post is incredibly orwellian; you say the Corolla is great (it's not), but you slam the GTR because it is 'too great'.


The Corolla sucked; it has a very tight interior, an old-school 3-speed automatic, had no roadholding skills or handling skills, and pretty much all of it's contemporaries beat it up in pretty much EVERY aspect. Focus and Neon were way roomier and quite sharp to drive. Civic had the reliability of the Corolla, but with more room and a much better drive, and the rest hit harder on the value front and space front than the Corolla did.


Yet, you hate the GTR and you've never driven one and really can't say anything about how the car drives. For the price point, it beats pretty much every performance car out there of the same price, and many that are thousands more. Yet you dislike it for reasons that you really don't know.

[Soup DeVille]

Sometimes, nothing else is what you want. My mother in law has one, and its a great car for crawling around Florida.

I nominate the 09+ GT-R. A technological tour de force for sure, but a philosophical embodiment of everything wrong with "drivers" cars today. Ugly, heavy, complex, expensive, literally designed to reward an absence of skill, weighs 2 tons and only seats two. Its a street car with performance you can't access + use, and a track car that doesn't help you hone your skills. I really don't get it. Where is the GT-R in its element.

Yes, i'd much rather be stuck in an Aerio, hot-gluing the interior pieces back on.

[MX793]

Sometimes, nothing else is what you want. My mother in law has one, and its a great car for crawling around Florida.

I nominate the 09+ GT-R. A technological tour de force for sure, but a philosophical embodiment of everything wrong with "drivers" cars today. Ugly, heavy, complex, expensive, literally designed to reward an absence of skill, weighs 2 tons and only seats two. Its a street car with performance you can't access + use, and a track car that doesn't help you hone your skills. I really don't get it. Where is the GT-R in its element.

Pretty much all of the ultra-performance cars are so far beyond the capabilities of the non-professional-racing driver that they all are laden with all sorts of nannies to make them driveable by mortals.  I fail to see how the GT-R is any worse than a 458, ZR-1, Murcielago, or R8 in that regard.

The GT-R is a 2+2 GT car (and in that regard, it's actually lighter than 2+2s like the 612 or FF) that can run with hardcore exotic sports cars (that also cost more) on the track yet be driven daily on real roads in "weather".  I don't see what's there to hate beyond the styling.

[GoCougs]

LOL

I really don't know what compelled my dad to buy a Fit. I really don't. It's far from the worst car in the past decade of so....but it's not great. Maybe it's me, but it just doesn't feel substantial. It feels like a tin can....unlike the Accord.

It's also ugly. It's also baby-blue.

The Fit is indeed a terrible car ubt pretty much because the Civic, a better car, costs the same (that the Civic has better MPG too is the proverbial icing).

[2o6]

The Fit is indeed a terrible car ubt pretty much because the Civic, a better car, costs the same (that the Civic has better MPG too is the proverbial icing).

It's sharper to drive than the Civic, and the interior is more versatile. The problem with the Fit is the fact that the pricing is out of control (it's too expensive) and it fails at being an economy car (poor MPG). For the record, I think the Fit is overpriced; they need to lop off around 2K from the base price for it to be more competitive. But Honda still moves the things at a modest pace, so maybe it doesn't really matter.

I suppose it doesn't make much sense as the Civic and Fit are literally only a few hundred dollars apart, and the Civic performance in every regard is better, but I wouldn't call the Fit 'terrible'.

[Raza]

Sometimes, nothing else is what you want. My mother in law has one, and its a great car for crawling around Florida.

I nominate the 09+ GT-R. A technological tour de force for sure, but a philosophical embodiment of everything wrong with "drivers" cars today. Ugly, heavy, complex, expensive, literally designed to reward an absence of skill, weighs 2 tons and only seats two. Its a street car with performance you can't access + use, and a track car that doesn't help you hone your skills. I really don't get it. Where is the GT-R in its element.

You just described all current Ferraris, the Mclaren MP4-12C, and lots of other modern supercars.  I think the GT-R should be commended for doing all the insane shit it does at the relatively low price at which it does it. 

[ifcar]

It's sharper to drive than the Civic, and the interior is more versatile. The problem with the Fit is the fact that the pricing is out of control (it's too expensive) and it fails at being an economy car (poor MPG). For the record, I think the Fit is overpriced; they need to lop off around 2K from the base price for it to be more competitive. But Honda still moves the things at a modest pace, so maybe it doesn't really matter.

I suppose it doesn't make much sense as the Civic and Fit are literally only a few hundred dollars apart, and the Civic performance in every regard is better, but I wouldn't call the Fit 'terrible'.

They're $2,000 apart comparably equipped. A Civic DX doesn't have air conditioning and cruise control; a base Fit does.

[2o6]

They're $2,000 apart comparably equipped. A Civic DX doesn't have air conditioning and cruise control; a base Fit does.

Ah, I couldn't see that from the website.