2016 Mitsubishi Lancer

[veeman]

Mustang and M3 have ~140 more horsepower.  The turbo Mustang, which is about the same power as the Evo, is close to 30 mpg.

Yeah that's true. 

23 mpg highway doesn't seem terrible to me for a balls out rally car.  Most mainstream cars upshift way too early to eek out a few extra miles per gallon.  They're designed not to run properly for CAFE.   

[12,000 RPM]

Yeah that's true. 

23 mpg highway doesn't seem terrible to me for a balls out rally car.  Most mainstream cars upshift way too early to eek out a few extra miles per gallon.  They're designed not to run properly for CAFE.   

Its not like those cars get worse mileage IRL. EVO has terrible gas mileage at the EPA AND on the road.

Lil more $$$ over the MR gets you in an M235i or 340i......................

[MrH]

Evo's are still going for like $35k-$40k new.  That's laughably expensive for that old thing.  If they were having a fire sale for $25k, it might be interesting, but yeah, you're encroaching on some serious cars that were actually developed in the last decade.

[12,000 RPM]

I feel like the older EVOs have 6 speed manuals too.....

[giant_mtb]

Da GSR has a 5-speed manual and the MR has a TTSSCUXRT 6-speed automatic thingy.

[giant_mtb]

Oh, and the MR also has "Punch control®, DTS® Neural Surround, PremDIA-WIDE surround and Dolby® volume."

YES. I fucking love PremDIA-WIDE and PUNCH CONTROL.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Oh, and the MR also has "Punch control®, DTS® Neural Surround, PremDIA-WIDE surround and Dolby® volume."

YES. I fucking love PremDIA-WIDE and PUNCH CONTROL.

You can add direct port nitrous injection and a stand alone fuel management system. Not a bad way to spend ten thousand dollars.

[giant_mtb]

You can add direct port nitrous injection and a stand alone fuel management system. Not a bad way to spend ten thousand dollars.

What does that have to do with stupid sound gimmicks.

[Eye of the Tiger]

What does that have to do with stupid sound gimmicks.

What do stupid sound gimmicks have to do with transmission speeds?  You never had sound gimmicks. You never had your car. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should.

[giant_mtb]

What do stupid sound gimmicks have to do with transmission speeds?  You never had sound gimmicks. You never had your car. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should.

[Cookie Monster]

I feel like the older EVOs have 6 speed manuals too.....

Evo IX MR's had 6 speed manuals.

[giant_mtb]

Evo IX MR's had 6 speed manuals.

Why on earth wouldn't they put that transmission in the new GSR.

[Raza]

Da GSR has a 5-speed manual and the MR has a TTSSCUXRT 6-speed automatic thingy.

Yeah, that's why I'd stick with the GSR.  5MT + the premium package (leather, sunroof, et al) + nav is like 41K....320i xDrive money. 

[Raza]

[Y]ou're encroaching on some serious cars that were actually developed in the last decade.

Not exactly a plus, in my book.  Cars from this decade kind of suck. 

[Raza]

Its not like those cars get worse mileage IRL. EVO has terrible gas mileage at the EPA AND on the road.

Lil more $$$ over the MR gets you in an M235i or 340i......................

M235i is a coupe, which is hardly comparable.  And the xDrive version starts at $46,000+.

I also didn't know that the 340i existed.  Is that what they call the 335i now?  xDrive starts at $47,800. 

And since they're BMWs, once you add doors and windows and seats and paint and seatbelts, I'm sure you're looking at $55,000-60,000 quite quickly.  Just based on memory, a comparably equipped 340i xDrive (with the no-cost manual option....for a second there, I thought the 3 had dropped the manual transmission), and it was $57,845.  That's not a little more money.  That's significantly more than a basically loaded Evo GSR, which doesn't lose much along the lines of features (the BMW does have more, and the way options are packaged, you do definitely pay for it even if they're of marginal usefulness), which weighs in at $41,480.  Of course, you do get a better looking car with no badge snobbery, so in today's climate, those are probably both negatives (ugly is in right now). 

[68_427]

Why on earth wouldn't they put that transmission in the new GSR.

The 5 speed is regularly swapped into MRs because the 6 speed is weak sawce

[12,000 RPM]

M235i is a coupe, which is hardly comparable.  And the xDrive version starts at $46,000+.

I also didn't know that the 340i existed.  Is that what they call the 335i now?  xDrive starts at $47,800. 

And since they're BMWs, once you add doors and windows and seats and paint and seatbelts, I'm sure you're looking at $55,000-60,000 quite quickly.  Just based on memory, a comparably equipped 340i xDrive (with the no-cost manual option....for a second there, I thought the 3 had dropped the manual transmission), and it was $57,845.  That's not a little more money.  That's significantly more than a basically loaded Evo GSR, which doesn't lose much along the lines of features (the BMW does have more, and the way options are packaged, you do definitely pay for it even if they're of marginal usefulness), which weighs in at $41,480.  Of course, you do get a better looking car with no badge snobbery, so in today's climate, those are probably both negatives (ugly is in right now).

Your Z4 doesnt' have xDrive. You dont need it. $1000 set of snow tires on steelies will do the trick.

What features brought the 3er up $10K? And a loaded EVO still feels like a $15K Lancer. My buddy had a VIII.... my first thought when I sat in it was "well at least this thing makes 700AWHP". A lot like the GT-R in that way actually. The way I see it, these days there's no need to throw everything out the window for performance. $40K gets you a Golf R, Focus RS, S3, etc. etc. All just as fast while being much better overall cars.

[Raza]

Your Z4 doesnt' have xDrive. You dont need it. $1000 set of snow tires on steelies will do the trick.

No, it won't. My Z4 doesn't have xDrive....and therefore I don't use it in the snow. I stipulated AWD when I made the comparison between the Evo and 320i xDrive, you can't change the comparison now because you don't like my parameters. $1000 on wheels and tires that need to be stored year round, mounted every winter, and taken off when the winter ends that still make your car not as good as AWD in the snow is hardly a solution.

What features brought the 3er up $10K? And a loaded EVO still feels like a $15K Lancer. My buddy had a VIII.... my first thought when I sat in it was "well at least this thing makes 700AWHP". A lot like the GT-R in that way actually. The way I see it, these days there's no need to throw everything out the window for performance. $40K gets you a Golf R, Focus RS, S3, etc. etc. All just as fast while being much better overall cars.

It wasn't many, but they add up. I don't have the configuration in front of me, but it was stuff like the M Sport package (to put it on level playing field as to sportiness), navigation system, cold weather package (which was included in the Evo's premium package). $1000 was just destination (which I included for both cars).

10 grand in options doesn't buy you a lot at BMW.

And I'd have to drive them back to back to tell you how the luxury models stack up. I know the Evo VIII I drove was an absolute blast, and one a current S4 couldn't live up to.

[MrH]

STI is a much better car all around.

[12,000 RPM]

STI not worth getting till they toss that 20 year old engine

It has half the power band and gets like half the gas mileage of its competitors lol.

[veeman]

Your Z4 doesnt' have xDrive. You dont need it. $1000 set of snow tires on steelies will do the trick.

I thought a lot of sports suspensions won't allow steelies; just aluminum.  I've never seen steelies on a BMW.  My Sonata has steelies in the winter.  My friend's Elantra with a  "sports suspension", the tire shop said no steelies.  Just wondering...

[12,000 RPM]

I thought a lot of sports suspensions won't allow steelies; just aluminum.  I've never seen steelies on a BMW.  My Sonata has steelies in the winter.  My friend's Elantra with a  "sports suspension", the tire shop said no steelies.  Just wondering...

Tire shop wants to sell tires. They make large diameter steelies. Just need the right offset. I saw a 330I ZHP on steelies

[MX793]

I don't see how a sport suspension would preclude the use of steel wheels.  Old Honda Civic had double wishbones (as sporty as basic suspension designs get) and came from the factory with steel wheels.  Brake clearance can be problematic on vehicles with large rotors or calipers and prevent the use of steelies.  That wouldn't be a problem for an Elantra.  Your friend got sold a line of BS.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Ferritic steel generates an electromagnetic field when it spins. This energy field can potentially spin up the adjustable spring seats on the coilovers. This can cause catastrophic failure of stance.

[2o6]

The tire store told me my old Focus would basically explode because I wanted to go from 15" wheels to 16" wheels.

[Eye of the Tiger]

The tire store told me my old Focus would basically explode because I wanted to go from 15" wheels to 16" wheels.

Ford dealer service writer claimed my aftermarket muffler caused the CEL on my Focus. Foci are just tempermental.



lol

[veeman]

I thought it was mostly a weight issue.  Steelies weigh a lot more than alloys so modern "sporty" cars aren't designed for Steelie use and they would end up causing damage.  Or, the tire shop was full of bullshit.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I thought it was mostly a weight issue.  Steelies weigh a lot more than alloys so modern "sporty" cars aren't designed for Steelie use and they would end up causing damage.  Or, the tire shop was full of bullshit.

Most random tire shops are full of idiots.

Find a tire shop approved by Tire Rack with a Roadforce balancer. Discount Tire stores are usually on the ball, too.

[veeman]

In any case, I've never seen a "sporty" car like a Bimmer or Audi with steelies in the winter.  Plenty of SUVs and mainstreamers. 

[veeman]

Most random tire shops are full of idiots.

Find a tire shop approved by Tire Rack with a Roadforce balancer. Discount Tire stores are usually on the ball, too.

Your point is well taken.  Anyways, my Sonata has steelies in the winter.  My friend with the Elantra just swapped tires because he didn't want to pay for new alloys.