Lol. Alfa delays Giulia and SUV

[12,000 RPM]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/report-alfa-romeo-pushes-back-brands-comeback-six-months/#more-1211721

Look at the surprise on my face.

[SJ_GTI]

Disappointing...but yeah not surprised.

[cawimmer430]

Is this a foreshadowing of their "reliability" ratings?

"My Alfa needs new cup holders! Waiting time? Six months!"

[MX793]

How many times now has Alfa pushed their return to the US market back?  Seems I've been hearing "Alfa will return to the US next year" since 2003.

[Raza]

Disappointed, but not surprised.

[Madman]

Alfa's long dalayed return to America has been chronicled here....

http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=24815.msg1512622#msg1512622


While they may technically be back in America thanks to the 4C, that car is so unbelievably rare I have yet to see one out in the real world.

[cawimmer430]

If you're an American and would like to own and drive an Alfa Romeo it's more efficient to move to Europe! Seriously. 

[2o6]

Alfa should have stayed semi premium and kept with making cars like the 159 better versions of themselves. Like an Italian Audi or Acura, not this above BMW shit that's going to fail

[cawimmer430]

Alfa should have stayed semi premium and kept with making cars like the 159 better versions of themselves. Like an Italian Audi or Acura, not this above BMW shit that's going to fail

Well back in the day when Alfa were still making RWD cars they were called "the Italian BMWs".

Alfa also receives credit for coming out with the sports sedan well before BMW.

[12,000 RPM]

Well back in the day when Alfa were still making RWD cars they were called "the Italian BMWs".

Alfa also receives credit for coming out with the sports sedan well before BMW.

You make a good point

Unfortunately the Fiat and Alfa cant seem to get their shit together. A good idea is kind of worthless if you can't execute. In the car business I would argue execution is more important than good ideas (see Toyota)

[Rupert]

Alfa should have stayed semi premium and kept with making cars like the 159 better versions of themselves. Like an Italian Audi or Acura, not this above BMW shit that's going to fail

Nicer more engaging Mazdas.

[Madman]

If you're an American and would like to own and drive an Alfa Romeo it's more efficient to move to Europe! Seriously. 

Okay, sounds good to me.  You're hiring, right?  When do I start? 

[cawimmer430]

You make a good point

Unfortunately the Fiat and Alfa cant seem to get their shit together. A good idea is kind of worthless if you can't execute. In the car business I would argue execution is more important than good ideas (see Toyota)

I can't comment on the delays. Not sure what's going on inside the firm.

[cawimmer430]

Okay, sounds good to me.  You're hiring, right?  When do I start? 

Yeah, I need someone to wash my dishes and clean my villa! You're hired!

[12,000 RPM]

Alfa should have stayed semi premium and kept with making cars like the 159 better versions of themselves. Like an Italian Audi or Acura, not this above BMW shit that's going to fail

Semi premium + weak brand = death. See: Saab, Alfa, Peugeot, Renault etc.

[Madman]

Semi premium + weak brand = death. See: Saab, Alfa, Peugeot, Renault etc.

Since when was Renault a semi-premium brand?

[ifcar]

Since when was Renault a semi-premium brand?

Are you denigrating these luxury machines?

[Submariner]

Semi premium + weak brand = death. See: Saab, Alfa, Peugeot, Renault etc.

Eh, I'm not sure the business strategy was the problem for Saab.  GM's talent at mismanaging brands was the bigger culprit.  Look at how badly they're failing with Cadillac (save for the Escalade) for example...

I mean, towards the end, 40% of their lineup consisted of a barely worked over Impreza and a lazy re-badge of an awful SUV that, even if it were a good truck, didn't share a single dynamic, stylistic or cultural element with its parent company.  Why would I pay 10k over a Trailblazer when I can get an actual semi-premium SUV?  Why buy an AWD hatch when one of it's biggest selling points is the nameplate that it had removed?

[Madman]

Are you denigrating these luxury machines?

My point exactly.

[ifcar]

But it's made of success! Didn't you read the ad? At least the big words in it. I can't read the small words. But the big one says success.

[Madman]

But it's made of success! Didn't you read the ad? At least the big words in it. I can't read the small words. But the big one says success.

When my Alliance threw a rod through the oil pan, "success" was not the word that came to my mind!

[ifcar]

When my Alliance threw a rod through the oil pan, "success" was not the word that came to my mind!

Mechanical failures are a great indicator of luxury. You think a Ferrari from that year didn't need its share of repairs?

[cawimmer430]

Since when was Renault a semi-premium brand?

[Galaxy]

Since when was Renault a semi-premium brand?

They did try.





Not even the worst attempt. Before that they had semi premium cars like the Safrane, or the 25.

[Madman]

Back in the day, you could get a Daewoo with leather and some fancy options.  That still didn't make it a premium (or even a semi-premium) product.

[68_427]

US spec.

[Eye of the Tiger]

lolwut

[SVT666]

If it drives as good as it looks it will be the best car anywhere near it's class.

[SJ_GTI]

Not too surprised by the price (70k), but I think most folks will stick with the standard bearers in this class for that money (M3/4, C63 AMG, etc...). If their main goal is for this model to be a halo for the normal Giulia then that is probably fine.

[Cookie Monster]

Holy fuck that looks amazing.