Why 70 is the new 55

[Rupert]

I love your arbitrary and selective way of selecting what is good and bad for the people.  In other words, from what I've seen, anything that you do, the government should not be involved in and anything you don't do, the government should limit it because it's bad.  How does that make you any different than the people that push for a lot of the ridiculous laws that we have in place today?  You are no better than the "liberals" you like to bash because you are one and the same, you have the same type of mentality, where the law should apply to everyone except me.  You sir, are a hypocrite. 

Says the man who thinks left-lane campers are a hugo-ginormous problem for no reason.

[SVT666]

It's one of three forms of communication from car to car.  It is by far the least confrontational of them (the other two being honking and hand gestures).  Flashing your high beams is also the accepted way to tell someone that you intend to pass; and 80% of the time, the driver understands that and moves over to let me by without incident. 

Same here.  It's rare that someone sits there while I keep flashing.  I can't remember the last time I had to pull over and pass on the right because someone refused to move over when I flashed them.

[Raza]

AFAIK, in many places, flashing your high beams is illegal.

So is speeding.  I don't see your point.

[GoCougs]

I wonder if the massive amounts of money required to implement a German-style autobahn system (driver training + upgraded roadways) across the entire United States would be worth it for the benefits of the higher speed travel. I'd suspect no - I support higher speed limits in rural areas (65mph is too slow) but much past 80mph, the benefit is relatively minimal.

The enthusiast in me likes the idea, the pragmatist says it's a waste of effort.

Of for each of the 50 states to realign their driver testing to a graduated or more advanced testing system.

On the eve of at $1T nationalized health care vote, and some are suggesting that we spend even more tax money on yet another situation catering to a select few.

Not a chance.

[Onslaught]

Same here.  It's rare that someone sits there while I keep flashing.  I can't remember the last time I had to pull over and pass on the right because someone refused to move over when I flashed them.

Don't drive in NC. I'm not sure people around here would even know what it means to have high beams flashed at them.

[Vinsanity]

the problem I've come across is that other drivers seem to think you're arrogant/cocky/whatever if you flash them to move over. So naturally, they'll take whatever pathetic pleasure it is they get by blocking you in while camping in the left lane. But if they want cocky behavior, I'll be more than happy to oblige

[GoCougs]

Though it rarely happens like any healthy red-blooded American I generally don't take well to being flashed no matter the reason.

You have no legal standing to make me move out of my lane even if I'm camping and especially if you're speeding. 

All in all I do not recommend it. It's asking for trouble.

[Vinsanity]

the sign that says "slower traffic keep right" is my legal standing to make you move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw429JGL5zo
(another good one for the driving song thread)

I remember one time a Prius driver flashed me after the fact that I whipped around him from the right while he was camping in the left lane. I LOL'd.

[SVT666]

Though it rarely happens like any healthy red-blooded American I generally don't take well to being flashed no matter the reason.

You have no legal standing to make me move out of my lane even if I'm camping and especially if you're speeding. 

All in all I do not recommend it. It's asking for trouble.

Ever think that you may be one of the reasons why people have road rage in the US? 

[Jon?]

I remember one time a Prius driver flashed me after the fact that I whipped around him from the right while he was camping in the left lane. I LOL'd.

I'll admit sometimes I'll pass on the right then get in front of the camper and slow down deliberately.  I'm not proud of it, but sometimes I can't help it.

[AutobahnSHO]

You have no legal standing to make me move out of my lane even if I'm camping and especially if you're speeding. 

WRONG. Citizen's arrest for camping. 

Doesn't matter if Other people are speeding or not. Most states say you should stay in the most right lane as possible, except for when passing.

[GoCougs]

the sign that says "slower traffic keep right" is my legal standing to make you move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw429JGL5zo
(another good one for the driving song thread)

I remember one time a Prius driver flashed me after the fact that I whipped around him from the right while he was camping in the left lane. I LOL'd.

Oh, please, don't be childish. You have zero standing to enforce traffic laws or otherwise "make" anyone do anything.

Ever think that you may be one of the reasons why people have road rage in the US?  

LOL - because I don't flash my high beams to make people move out of my way???

WRONG. Citizen's arrest for camping. 

Doesn't matter if Other people are speeding or not. Most states say you should stay in the most right lane as possible, except for when passing.

Oh, please. This is ridiculous. Traffic infractions are not criminal thus you cannot be arrested by anyone.

[Jon?]

LOL - because I don't flash my high beams to make people move out of my way???

Because you're camping in the left lane.

[GoCougs]

A lot of tuff guy Internet bravado going on here, but I have to admit that I've done most everything that has been mentioned here but I'm under no delusion that it's asking for trouble and otherwise something I shouldn't be doing.

I have to admit I did something REALLY bad way back when - anonymously called 911 from a payphone and made a false claim on a guy who was being a real PITA that he pulled a chrome piece on me (he actually waved a hammer at me).  

[Vinsanity]

The one thing I will admit is that most of the time people ignore flashing headlights behind them because they have the same attitude as Cougs: that they have the right to camp in the passing lane in spite of apparent signage indicating otherwise. That said, it's ridiculous to consider it an offensive course of action. It's no more offensive than using your turn signal to let  other drivers know you want to change lanes.

[Vinsanity]

Oh, please, don't be childish. You have zero standing to enforce traffic laws or otherwise "make" anyone do anything.

I agree with that, but the same principle has to apply to people who camp in the left lane, forcing drivers behind them to drive at or below the speed limit.

[GoCougs]

Yeah, I'm going to check out of this; Straw Man Cometh = GoCougs Goeth. It gets too tiring after a while.

[Raza]

The one thing I will admit is that most of the time people ignore flashing headlights behind them because they have the same attitude as Cougs: that they have the right to camp in the passing lane in spite of apparent signage indicating otherwise. That said, it's ridiculous to consider it an offensive course of action. It's no more offensive than using your turn signal to let  other drivers know you want to change lanes.

That's how I view it.  I'm going to pass you, whether or not you want to do the right thing.  I might as well give them the option to move over, for the sake of both our safety. 

[Jon?]

Yeah, I'm going to check out of this; Straw Man Cometh = GoCougs Goeth. It gets too tiring after a while.

Why be the strawman if you get tired of it?

[hotrodalex]

The one thing I will admit is that most of the time people ignore flashing headlights behind them because they have the same attitude as Cougs: that they have the right to camp in the passing lane in spite of apparent signage indicating otherwise. That said, it's ridiculous to consider it an offensive course of action. It's no more offensive than using your turn signal to let  other drivers know you want to change lanes.

Exactly.

But no, this is America. We have big egos and won't move.

BTW Cougs, camping is against traffic laws, so I do have a right to flash my lights. I want to pass you and you aren't following traffic rules. I am 100% sure any cop will agree with that.

[NomisR]

Yeah, I'm going to check out of this; Straw Man Cometh = GoCougs Goeth. It gets too tiring after a while.

You seem to fail to gasp why people are attacking you.  Nobody is creating a false position for you as those are the same positions you have repeatedly stated for yourself through various posts on this forum.  This is no strawman.  If you really believes it is such, than clarify what your true position in the matter is, but like always, you never do. 

[AutobahnSHO]

Yeah, I'm going to check out of this; Straw Man Cometh = GoCougs Goeth. It gets too tiring after a while.

bye goof

[cawimmer430]

In Colorado they are pretty good about it.  I've seen it happen twice, and I've heard other people complain about being ticketed for left lane camping as well.  They have some other term for it, like impeding the flow of traffic or something, but the state law is that you must keep to the right unless you are overtaking someone.

Yep. That's the law here. If they catch you being a Linksfahrer with empty lanes ahead of you then you're in trouble. And the cops here always patrol the Autobahns with unmarked cars, even in old pieces of crap like a mid-1990s Opel Vectra. 

[TurboDan]

I had cruise at 80-85 the whole way to and from Florida over spring break. I was passing most people, but there were plenty who were passing me. No ticket, no nothing, really. It was a fine drive.

Same here, the last time I drove to Florida from New Jersey. I generally cruised around 80 in NJ, DE and MD, slowed it down in Virginia, then did 85-90 in NC, SC and GA and back down to just around 80 in Florida.

No tickets. Spotted just one single police vehicle the whole trip, right near the NC-SC border.

[Jon?]

Yep. That's the law here. If they catch you being a Linksfahrer with empty lanes ahead of you then you're in trouble. And the cops here always patrol the Autobahns with unmarked cars, even in old pieces of crap like a mid-1990s Opel Vectra. 

We can only dream of that over here.

[TurboDan]

AFAIK, in many places, flashing your high beams is illegal.

In New Jersey, the state police will give you a high-beam flash if you're left-lane camping - both the marked and unmarked cars.

[TurboDan]

Yep. That's the law here. If they catch you being a Linksfahrer with empty lanes ahead of you then you're in trouble. And the cops here always patrol the Autobahns with unmarked cars, even in old pieces of crap like a mid-1990s Opel Vectra. 

I don't know why American unmarked cars are the same models as the marked cars. Wouldn't it be more effective to have your unmarked cars be from a different brand than what everyone expects is "a police car?"

I never quite understood that. I know the Cali Highway Patrol did use some Volvos for a while, but they were marked anyway.

[Vinsanity]

I never quite understood that. I know the Cali Highway Patrol did use some Volvos for a while, but they were marked anyway.

LOL, I never saw those. But somewhat notoriously, we did have Z28 Camaro's for a short while in the early 2000's, and 5.0 Fox-body Mustangs in the late 80's-early 90's

[CJ]

They used S70 T5's.  Those haul ass.

[Vinsanity]

lol, looks pretty sharp as a cop car