Updated 2016 Accord

[Laconian]

All that said the low/midrange grunt of BMW's N54/55 is hard to argue against

I will gladly argue against HPFP failures.

[MX793]

It's totally funny that the ~20-year-old SOHC J Series V6 embarrasses the competition's NEW turbo-4s in all measures, including real-world MPG, and totally hangs with any new N/A V6s, including being tops in NVH.

Imagine what a new N/A DOHC Honda V6 would look like today.

Sadly, I think that Japanese V6 stagnation is a harbinger of effort instead thrown at development of turbo motors. It will be a sad day when the N/A J Series and VQ are not longer available.

To be fair, much of the competitions' 6s are generally better than their new turbo-4s as well (Ford's 3.5/3.7 Cyclone > 2.0T/2.3T, GM's 3.6 HFV6 > 2.0T, Hyundai Lambda V6 > Theta 2.0T).  Subaru is probably the only company I'd say their turbo-4s are hands down better than their NA 6.

[12,000 RPM]

I will gladly argue against HPFP failures.

They sorted that out. Jury is still out on carbon buildup though.

Though not a perfect analogy I would disagree about buying habits of the demographic. For every person all giddy about buying the brand new SL65, there are 1,000 who would gladly buy one used, for the same reasons.

If a 10-year-old CL65 or 760IL had the about the same upkeep and repair costs as a 10-year-old Accord the former would hold their value just dandy IMO (enter the first gen NSX).

The higher the MSRP the more likely the car is leased. Only folks buying 12 cylinder depriciation mills are Russians. Only folks buying S550s and the like are TL&C operators who blow through lease mileage limits. ~50-60% of luxury cars are leased.... they are def building them to a ~3 year lifespan (if that)

[68_427]

[Rich]

Well, that's the bees knees. 

[GoCougs]

Sweet.

[MrH]

That's gotta be a typo. Where did you find this?

[Cookie Monster]

Wut.

[Tave]

Nice!

[MrH]

There's another ad for the Accord Coupe that doesn't list the mpgs for a V6 manual.  They clearly just mixed them up.


The specs and available options are all on Honda's website, and this definitely isn't happening.  I hate you Cale for making me waste time this morning trying to check the validity

[12,000 RPM]

They still REALLY need an LSD for the V6. That would be cool though. I think I would still rather get the Civic Si. The 9th gen addresses what I didn't like about the 8th (TORQUE) and the looks are growing on me.

[GoCougs]

Accord V6 M/T sedan could be a viable alternative to the (mostly) AT poser class.

[12,000 RPM]

Not from what the coupe indicates. Engine easily overwhelms the chassis. The 4 banger Sport 6MT is the sweet spot. V6 needs an LSD, better brakes and a better suspension to handle the power.

[MX793]

Would be interested in seeing Honda offer an Accord Si with SH-FWD like the old Prelude.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Would be interested in seeing Honda offer an Accord Si with SH-FWD like the old Prelude.

People did not like rear steering so much, I guess.

[GoCougs]

Not from what the coupe indicates. Engine easily overwhelms the chassis. The 4 banger Sport 6MT is the sweet spot. V6 needs an LSD, better brakes and a better suspension to handle the power.

C&D liked it ("Here is yet another Honda that proves front-drive cars can handle"). Sure ~280 hp is a lot to put through FWD and it's no replacement for RWD but it works pretty swell esp. against the backdrop of a $40k+ A5 or some such.

[MX793]

People did not like rear steering so much, I guess.

I was thinking more the ATTS torque vectoring differential.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I was thinking more the ATTS torque vectoring differential.

Oh, I thought you meant real old skool rear steering. Were the two systems ever combined?

[MX793]

Oh, I thought you meant real old skool rear steering. Were the two systems ever combined?

Not that I'm aware of.  Definitely not in North America.

[12,000 RPM]

C&D liked it ("Here is yet another Honda that proves front-drive cars can handle"). Sure ~280 hp is a lot to put through FWD and it's no replacement for RWD but it works pretty swell esp. against the backdrop of a $40k+ A5 or some such.

My homies at Everyday Driver felt otherwise. Said the coupe felt like a sedan with a big engine. And those poseur class rides look a lot better when you factor in lease rates. Same monthly payment on this theoretical car with $10K or so down will get you into a Q50 or w/e for like $3K down. If I had to choose I would probably lease too.

[2o6]

The Q50 is fugly though

[GoCougs]

Uh, leasing is more expensive than buying, and leasing a $50k car is WAY more expensive than buying a $35k car.

[12,000 RPM]

Uh, leasing is more expensive than buying, and leasing a $50k car is WAY more expensive than buying a $35k car.

Depends how u do it and what time frame u are looking at.

[GoCougs]

Depends how u do it and what time frame u are looking at.

Very interested in seeing a lease that is cheaper than buying.

[MrH]

Ditto.

[TBR]

Depends how u do it and what time frame u are looking at.

Unless they just get the residual wrong, which is unlikely, then the difference comes down to the interest rate, which is almost always higher than loans (especially loans from the manufacturer's finance group) because the financier is taking on more risk plus they are difficult for the consumer to understand / calculate.

[AutobahnSHO]

Uh, leasing is more expensive than buying, and leasing a $50k car is WAY more expensive than buying a $35k car.

"BUT LOW LOW LOW monthly payments!!!!!"       

[Xer0]

Leasing a car is like renting an apartment; its not just about the overall cost during the same time frame but your intention and where you plan to be 2/3/5+ years from now.  Sometimes, leasing just makes more sense than buying.

[GoCougs]

Unless they just get the residual wrong, which is unlikely, then the difference comes down to the interest rate, which is almost always higher than loans (especially loans from the manufacturer's finance group) because the financier is taking on more risk plus they are difficult for the consumer to understand / calculate.

There is also risk in mileage overage and condition at lease end.

[ifcar]

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The higher the MSRP the more likely the car is leased. Only folks buying 12 cylinder depriciation mills are Russians. Only folks buying S550s and the like are TL&C operators who blow through lease mileage limits. ~50-60% of luxury cars are leased.... they are def building them to a ~3 year lifespan (if that)

If Mercedes is leasing out a car, it's getting that car back at the end of the lease period. So they still have a strong interest in their value remaining at that point.