IFCAR Comparo: Ultra-Luxury Sedans

[ifcar]

Most of you probably remember the most recent IFCAR comparo (minivans), and here's the ultra-luxury group:

http://ifcar.net/reviews.comparisons.ultraluxsedans.htm

Vehicles included:
Audi A8 4.2
BMW 750i
Jaguar XJ8 L
Lexus LS430
Mercedes-Benz S430
Volkswagen Phaeton 4.2

Before you bring it up, I am aware that the review is still a bit rough around the edges, with some data missing. However, none of it should be critical to the review (I believe only the features added to the vehicle), but if it is, just ask and I'll find the info. Many links outside of the comparison do not work, but everything important to the comparison itself should.

If you have questions, please ask. If you disagree with anything, please bring it up for an INTELLIGENT debate (IE not "Well, I thought this should have been in first place, and I saw another comparison that agrees with me, so you're wrong.") If you see errors (in either content or with the site) please let me know.

BTW, it costs money to run a site, so if viewers could please click on a few ads, I'd appreciate it.

Enjoy!

[R33 GT-R]

It looks pretty good to me IFcar, I also gave you about 20 hits to your links to pay the bills.  




You're very welcome.  

[ifcar]

It looks pretty good to me IFcar, I also gave you about 20 hits to your links to pay the bills.  




You're very welcome.

And you're very thanked.

I guess post whores are good for something then...  :P  

[Raghavan]

did you actually drive and test out these cars?

[ifcar]

did you actually drive and test out these cars?

Yep.    

[Raghavan]

did you actually drive and test out these cars?

Yep.  

nice. B)  

[ifcar]

did you actually drive and test out these cars?

Yep.  

nice. B)

Yep.    

[R33 GT-R]

The 430s are really further up there in price then I thought.  When I was at the dealer for service the other day they had a black CLS on the floor.  If you only need room for four it would be a great choice.  It was pretty stunning besides this one spot behind the rear doors.  There is a strange insert there that makes the car look scratched, absolutely strange.

[Raghavan]

The 430s are really further up there in price then I thought.  When I was at the dealer for service the other day they had a black CLS on the floor.  If you only need room for four it would be a great choice.  It was pretty stunning besides this one spot behind the rear doors.  There is a strange insert there that makes the car look scratched, absolutely strange.

yeah, the CLS looks better than the S class, except for the fat ass.

[R33 GT-R]

The 430s are really further up there in price then I thought.  When I was at the dealer for service the other day they had a black CLS on the floor.  If you only need room for four it would be a great choice.  It was pretty stunning besides this one spot behind the rear doors.  There is a strange insert there that makes the car look scratched, absolutely strange.

yeah, the CLS looks better than the S class, except for the fat ass.

It took me a bit of looking at it but I really warmed up to the rear of the car after walking around it a few times.  I didn't like it at first but the more I looked at it the more it grew on me.  In pics it does look chnky but it doesn't come off that way in front of you.

[Raghavan]

The 430s are really further up there in price then I thought.  When I was at the dealer for service the other day they had a black CLS on the floor.  If you only need room for four it would be a great choice.  It was pretty stunning besides this one spot behind the rear doors.  There is a strange insert there that makes the car look scratched, absolutely strange.

yeah, the CLS looks better than the S class, except for the fat ass.

It took me a bit of looking at it but I really warmed up to the rear of the car after walking around it a few times.  I didn't like it at first but the more I looked at it the more it grew on me.  In pics it does look chnky but it doesn't come off that way in front of you.

i haven't seen one in person, so maybe my opinion will change when i see one.

[giant_mtb]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  I didn't even know there were people around here who could afford an 80K car..geez.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o  

[Raghavan]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o  

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

[ifcar]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.  

[giant_mtb]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.

Well how do you do it?!  Is it your charm?  :P  

[Raghavan]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.

soo, do you dress up in a nice suit or something when you go to the dealership?

[ifcar]

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o  

Online, I'm IFCAR, but offline I'm Bill Ford.    

[giant_mtb]

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

Online, I'm IFCAR, but offline I'm Bill Ford.  

<_<

Seriously though...how do you get all these chances to drive all these cars?

[ifcar]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.

soo, do you dress up in a nice suit or something when you go to the dealership?

Do you think that the wealthy wear suits wherever they go?  

A polo shirt and any nicer-than-jeans pants work just fine.  

[Raghavan]

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

Online, I'm IFCAR, but offline I'm Bill Ford.  

<_<

Seriously though...how do you get all these chances to drive all these cars?

ditch the car somewhere, dress up nicely, walk into the dealership and request a test-drive.  

[ifcar]

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

Online, I'm IFCAR, but offline I'm Bill Ford.  

<_<

Seriously though...how do you get all these chances to drive all these cars?

I have no other significant hobbies, so I can spend a lot of time with this one. You'd be surprised how willing even the luxury car dealerships are to provide a test drive.

[giant_mtb]

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

Online, I'm IFCAR, but offline I'm Bill Ford.  

<_<

Seriously though...how do you get all these chances to drive all these cars?

I have no other significant hobbies, so I can spend a lot of time with this one. You'd be surprised how willing even the luxury car dealerships are to provide a test drive.

I see...

What is your profession?  Like your career...do you have one and just do cars on the side?  (sorry to hijack...)

[ifcar]

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

Online, I'm IFCAR, but offline I'm Bill Ford.  

<_<

Seriously though...how do you get all these chances to drive all these cars?

I have no other significant hobbies, so I can spend a lot of time with this one. You'd be surprised how willing even the luxury car dealerships are to provide a test drive.

I see...

What is your profession?  Like your career...do you have one and just do cars on the side?  (sorry to hijack...)

I try not to discuss my reality life online too much, but my actual job has approximately nothing to do with my hobby. Maybe someday enough people will click on IFCAR.net ads that I can live comfortably on just that income, but that day has not arrived.  

[R33 GT-R]

Go in and ask for the keys, it's easy.

[BMWDave]

I liked the review, and thought it was well done.  Just one question...was price the only reason that the Bimmer fell behind the Audi?  Because it doesnt seem to do anything better.  

[BMWDave]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.? :angry:? lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?? Do you have some secret identity or something?!? :o?

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.

Pretty much any dealership wants to sell cars, and if they see a well dressed man wishing to take a test-drive, they have no reason not to let him.  I dont believe you need special connections, or anything like that.  You need connections to test drive Maseratis, and Ferraris (if you are even able to do that at all).

[ifcar]

I liked the review, and thought it was well done.  Just one question...was price the only reason that the Bimmer fell behind the Audi?  Because it doesnt seem to do anything better.

That was it. The A8 had low-priced competence, and the 750i had high-priced excellence. And considering that competence by the standards of $80,000 cars is already excellence, the A8 came out ahead.  

[ifcar]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.

Pretty much any dealership wants to sell cars, and if they see a well dressed man wishing to take a test-drive, they have no reason not to let him.  I dont believe you need special connections, or anything like that.  You need connections to test drive Maseratis, and Ferraris (if you are even able to do that at all).

Go frequently enough though, and they start to figure out that you aren't exactly there to buy a car. Thus, always take a different person with you when you go, if possible.    

[giant_mtb]

Ironic...I just saw an S430 for the first time this morning...its trunk was dented.  :angry:  lol


Nice review though...I merely skimmed it (don't really like to read stuff online) but it seemed thorough...

Where the heck do you drive all these cars?  Do you have some secret identity or something?!  :o 

yeah, did you get test drives? i doubt a salesman would let someone driving an Escort testdrive one (no offense).

These salespeople don't need to know what I pull up in. And they don't.

Pretty much any dealership wants to sell cars, and if they see a well dressed man wishing to take a test-drive, they have no reason not to let him.  I dont believe you need special connections, or anything like that.  You need connections to test drive Maseratis, and Ferraris (if you are even able to do that at all).

Go frequently enough though, and they start to figure out that you aren't exactly there to buy a car. Thus, always take a different person with you when you go, if possible.  

You've got this all figured out, don't you.  :P    

[BMWDave]

"A couple of people found the Jag's dynamics not to their liking. Said Bornhop, "It's the least well-controlled of the bunch. Underdamped and a trifle floaty, not buttoned-up like the BMW."

Thats from a R&T Review.  Why did you find the Jag's ride more sporty?  I thought the BMW was the sport leader in this segment.