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Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 24, 2015, 10:36:55 AM
So, the Genesis is gone.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/24/66c1b251a19c1b2867b51618a46b5586.jpg)

I present, the Toyota 4Runner TRD Bro.

Basically got an SR5 premium, but it'll be getting the TRD Pro front grill (says Toyota across the front like the old FJs), either the TRD suspension or something very similar, and probably the wheels and tires.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: ifcar on December 24, 2015, 10:39:26 AM
Genesis had a good run. Almost a year? :lol: How steep was depreciation compared to the major discount you already got when it was new?

And congrats!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on December 24, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
Sells light GT car, sells fast luxury sedan.....buys big SUV.


Really embracing the suburban wife and kids lifestyle, eh, Mike?  :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 24, 2015, 11:03:10 AM
Congrats! :cheers:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 24, 2015, 11:58:08 AM
Nice, I love those. On my list for post-college purchases.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 24, 2015, 12:42:07 PM

Quote from: ifcar on December 24, 2015, 10:39:26 AM
Genesis had a good run. Almost a year? :lol: How steep was depreciation compared to the major discount you already got when it was new?

And congrats!

Depreciation was pretty rough on the Genesis. Msrp was $48k. I bought it for $32k. 13 months and 22k miles later, I got $25k in trade in.

I had so many issues with the Genesis, I was ready to eat some serious money to dump it. I had more problems with that car in a year than I had with all other cars combined.

Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 24, 2015, 12:44:19 PM

Quote from: Raza  on December 24, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
Sells light GT car, sells fast luxury sedan.....buys big SUV.


Really embracing the suburban wife and kids lifestyle, eh, Mike?  :lol:

A convertible will be joining it at some point too, don't worry.

This is the least suburban dad of all SUVs at least :lol:  I can at least play it off as being an off road champ.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Laconian on December 24, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Congrats on the bro turd!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 24, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
So you're gonna rice it up with a fake grill, shiny wheels, over knobby tires, and and do the suspension for your brutal commute to work, never to see dirt? That's a little sad, Mike.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on December 24, 2015, 02:37:04 PM
First mod should be sway bar removal. Potholes never felt so smooth.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 24, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
4Runner is heavier that Taco...
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 24, 2015, 04:55:19 PM

Quote from: Rupert on December 24, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
So you're gonna rice it up with a fake grill, shiny wheels, over knobby tires, and and do the suspension for your brutal commute to work, never to see dirt? That's a little sad, Mike.

Wait, the grill is fake? How do I get a more authentic one?

Meh, it'll see some soft roaring here and there. Nothing serious. Suspension work is cheap and a big upgrade.

You jelly brah?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on December 24, 2015, 04:59:15 PM
T-minus 28 weeks until onset of boredom
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: veeman on December 24, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Congratulations!  I like those.  Just curious, what problems did the Genesis give you?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 24, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: Laconian on December 24, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Congrats on the bro turd!
:lol:

Quote from: 2o6 on December 24, 2015, 04:59:15 PM
T-minus 28 weeks until onset of boredom
:ohyeah:

Quote from: veeman on December 24, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
Congratulations!  I like those.  Just curious, what problems did the Genesis give you?
:hesaid:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CALL_911 on December 24, 2015, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: Rupert on December 24, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
So you're gonna rice it up with a fake grill, shiny wheels, over knobby tires, and and do the suspension for your brutal commute to work, never to see dirt? That's a little sad, Mike.
Christ, why are you so jealous of those who can afford shit you can't?
Title: 4Runner
Post by: CALL_911 on December 24, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
But anyhow, I'm also jealous. Congrats dude, I wish I had one of those
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on December 24, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
cut a hood scoop
Title: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on December 24, 2015, 09:53:12 PM
Awesome truck man. The styling is a little overwrought for my tastes, but the bones are awesome.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 24, 2015, 11:13:26 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 24, 2015, 09:18:07 PM
Christ, why are you so jealous of those who can afford shit you can't?

You interpret my eye rolling as jealousy? Because you're jealous and can't imagine why someone else wouldn't be? I can think of a few things to criticize me about, evident in just that one post, but being jealous of this truck or envious of something I can't afford (which is an assumption on your part ;) ) aren't in that list.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 24, 2015, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 24, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Wait, the grill is fake? How do I get a more authentic one?

Meh, it'll see some soft roaring here and there. Nothing serious. Suspension work is cheap and a big upgrade.

You jelly brah?

Hey, it's your car, do what you want. It's pretty nice, congrats. Should have said that first, my bad. :)

But rice (like the grill and wheels) and off-road performance upgrades that you'll never come close to using will earn you nothing but scorn from me.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on December 25, 2015, 08:17:04 AM
Nice choice, I love the 4Runner. I'm sure it'll serve you well for 3-6 mos before you trade it for something else.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Tave on December 25, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
Nice ride. Skip the suspension upgrade. Best case scenario you don't notice any difference, but more than likely it'll introduce slightly more jar and crash to the ride during 99% of driving, and on the flip side you'll never exceed the off-road capabilities of the stock shocks, especially in Ohio of all places.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 25, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
Naw, the suspension upgrades aren't extreme by any means. Very slight lift, but the it smooths out the ride even more. I wouldn't bother, but I get them so cheap, I might as well.

As to selling in 6 months: I'll be getting a weekend toy. That'll be my revolving door car :lol: that's a lot cheaper
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Tave on December 25, 2015, 11:14:41 AM
Nah buddy, you're not going to slap longer off-road shocks, stiffer springs, and big knobby tires on any truck to smooth out the ride. Every review I've read has said basically, "and the ride isn't as bad as you might think," and that it makes it more truck-like.

Like I said, best case scenario you simply don't notice the difference, but more importantly what benefit will it give you? I guess it looks more bad-ass, and that's reason enough for some.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 25, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
The springs are slightly longer and softer.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on December 25, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Tave on December 25, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
especially in Ohio of all places.
There's plenty of places to do serious offroading here in Ohio......
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Tave on December 25, 2015, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 25, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
The springs are slightly longer and softer.

Minor details! :lol:

Then it'll behave more like the modern Wrangler--body roll for daaaaayz.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Tave on December 25, 2015, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on December 25, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
There's plenty of places to do serious offroading here in Ohio......

:hmm:

1,000 feet of rise over 200 miles doesn't scream "lift me!"

No doubt you have plenty of mud fields and backroad two-track, but The Land 'O Dedicated Locking Diffs and Low Range Trail Climbs it is not.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 25, 2015, 03:33:28 PM
I wouldn't modify the suspension of my own truck here in Idaho, and I do drive up some steep sketchy roads. Tave is right (and more diplomatic), if it's a lift, it's not going to improve the ride or the handling. Trucks aren't like cars.

Tires are a legit modification from stock, but maybe not what you think. You don't need or want mud tires, period, because they're loud, wear quickly, and handle poorly. Even AT tires have those qualities to some extent compared to regular tires. You definitely don't want skinnier sidewalls. Larger diameter is pretty pointless. I put AT tires as close to stock size as i can get on my own trucks and my work trucks, load range E for the extra plies (though the extra plies also negatively affect the ride).

Wheels and grill, OK, but unlike with cars, such things don't just make the truck personal and interesting, they make the driver a backwards cap poser brobag.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 25, 2015, 03:56:27 PM
I approve of any and all mods.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 25, 2015, 04:32:25 PM
Jesus Christ, so much criticism and butthurt over someone else's ride. Just let him do what he wants to his own car.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on December 25, 2015, 04:35:45 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on December 25, 2015, 04:32:25 PM
Jesus Christ, so much criticism and butthurt over someone else's ride. Just let him do what he wants to his own car.

It's the CarSPIN way.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 25, 2015, 04:37:20 PM
When have you known CarSPIN to be any different?
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 25, 2015, 05:47:22 PM

Quote from: thecarnut on December 25, 2015, 04:32:25 PM
Jesus Christ, so much criticism and butthurt over someone else's ride. Just let him do what he wants to his own car.

Clearly I do what I feel like without approval from this forum. Hasn't stopped me before (see Element and Genesis :lol:)

Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 26, 2015, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: MrH on December 25, 2015, 05:47:22 PM
Clearly I do what I feel like without approval from this forum. Hasn't stopped me before (see Element and Genesis :lol:)



Well, yeah, if I had asked for and listened to this forum's advice on anything Miata related I'd still have a stock Miata because OEM is the best mod. :devil:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CJ on December 27, 2015, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: Tave on December 25, 2015, 11:14:41 AM
Nah buddy, you're not going to slap longer off-road shocks, stiffer springs, and big knobby tires on any truck to smooth out the ride. Every review I've read has said basically, "and the ride isn't as bad as you might think," and that it makes it more truck-like.

Like I said, best case scenario you simply don't notice the difference, but more importantly what benefit will it give you? I guess it looks more bad-ass, and that's reason enough for some.


I will say that the 4Runner Trail rides noticeably better than the regular 4Runner.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on December 27, 2015, 02:06:11 PM
On this topic, if anybody has ever ridden in a Jeep with an OME suspension ( which is at least a couple inches higher than stock on the TJs), then they would know there are lifts that also improve the ride.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on December 27, 2015, 03:53:50 PM
Look at the Raptor. Floaty, comfy on the highway.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on December 27, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 27, 2015, 03:53:50 PM
Look at the Raptor. Floaty, comfy on the highway.
The TRD suspension doesn't have $9000 shocks.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 27, 2015, 06:32:36 PM
 Neither does the Raptor.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on December 27, 2015, 07:18:23 PM
Quote from: SVT666 on December 27, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
The TRD suspension doesn't have $9000 shocks.

Not the point. At all.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on December 28, 2015, 12:51:00 AM
Quote from: MrH on December 27, 2015, 06:32:36 PM
Neither does the Raptor.
That's strange. I remember reading in a review when the first Raptor came out that a replacement set of the Fox shocks was $9000, but I just checked and they are $700 each. I wonder where that reviewer got his info from.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on December 28, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: SVT666 on December 28, 2015, 12:51:00 AM
That's strange. I remember reading in a review when the first Raptor came out that a replacement set of the Fox shocks was $9000, but I just checked and they are $700 each. I wonder where that reviewer got his info from.

Ford wants you to believe you're riding on $9,000 shocks :lol:  Kind of a cool product, but it's not all that radical of a design.


What I'm looking at isn't extreme.  1.5" lift at most.  Here's what I'm getting:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61D6V7S3%2B5L._SL1152_.jpg)

Ride should be quite a bit better.  It's essentially the same setup at the TRD Pro.  If I didn't get it for dirt cheap, I might not bother.


Here are my dope mods on the way:

- Armrest console organizer, coin tray thing, Drop Stop (as seen on Shark Tank :lol:), trailer hitch plug
- HID setup from The Retrofit Source (at least this came with projectors.  It's simple to do the ballast and bulb swap into the stock projectors)
- LED Foglights w/ yellow tint from The Retrofit Source
- Probably debadging the chrome SR5 badges from the C-pillar today.  It's just extra chrome clutter.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 28, 2015, 10:22:23 AM
If you keep all/most suspension bushings rubber, the ride quality won't suffer. Bushings and sway bars affect ride quality a lot more than springs, in my experience. And upgrading to good monotube shocks will help ride far more than a few more lb/in on the springs.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: GoCougs on December 28, 2015, 10:38:00 AM
Let's be honest, lift kits are for looks ;). Along with bigger tires (read: more unsprung weight, sometimes hugely so) ride quality will diminish, esp. bound, float and NVH (tire, wind noise).
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 28, 2015, 03:05:35 PM
Can you do it without a lift?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on December 28, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
Guys he wants to jump all the speed bumps on his commute
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Laconian on December 28, 2015, 04:46:38 PM
http://i.imgur.com/jTriOwS.gifv (http://i.imgur.com/jTriOwS.gifv)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on December 28, 2015, 05:11:53 PM
Almost had it!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 28, 2015, 05:22:07 PM
I'm still impressed.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: shp4man on December 28, 2015, 05:49:04 PM
Some of you sports car dudes are beginning to appreciate trucks- nice!  :rockon:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 01, 2016, 11:43:59 AM
TuRD BRO grill ordered.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 06, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
TOYOTA grill is on. Also debadged the stupid SR5 badges from the C pillars.

Got a few more things I have to work on this weekend. LED bulbs for interior, puddle lights, license plate light, etc.

Also, need to put in the HID system I got from the retrofit source. Bulbs, ballasts, igniters, relays. Also, I've got some yellow tinted LED fog lights to go in too.

Once I'm done with all of that I'll take some new pictures.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 06, 2016, 10:17:34 PM
Ermagherd BroRunner! 

No, sounds cool. Some nice pics would be cool. 

Where does I source TRD Off Road sway bars?  I hear they're skinnier than the Sports.  Dealership?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BENZ BOY15 on January 06, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: Rupert on December 25, 2015, 04:37:20 PM
When have you known CarSPIN to be any different?

It's been like that since I joined 11 years ago. :lol:

:facepalm:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 07, 2016, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on December 25, 2015, 04:32:25 PM
Jesus Christ, so much criticism and butthurt over someone else's ride. Just let him do what he wants to his own car.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 25, 2015, 04:35:45 PM
It's the CarSPIN way.
Quote from: Rupert on December 25, 2015, 04:37:20 PM
When have you known CarSPIN to be any different?
Quote from: MrH on December 25, 2015, 05:47:22 PM
Clearly I do what I feel like without approval from this forum. Hasn't stopped me before (see Element and Genesis :lol:)
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on January 06, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
It's been like that since I joined 11 years ago. :lol:

:facepalm:

LOL. God forbid we offer honest opinions and advice.

One of things I like about the Spin is that we're all from different aspects of life and have different interests when it comes to cars. It's a whole lot better than the circle jerk on most forums.

Anyway, sweet ride Mike! I'm hoping that the Explorer will last me long enough that I can save for a new 4Runner.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on January 07, 2016, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 07, 2016, 09:53:16 AM
LOL. God forbid we offer honest opinions and advice.

One of things I like about the Spin is that we're all from different aspects of life and have different interests when it comes to cars. It's a whole lot better than the circle jerk on most forums.

Anyway, sweet ride Mike! I'm hoping that the Explorer will last me long enough that I can save for a new 4Runner.
My Explorer is a 2007 and has 212,000 kms (132,000 miles) and everything is starting to fail.  TPMS sensors are failing, rear window wiper died, front passenger side window has difficulty going up, has a rough idle and sometimes stalls, transmission is acting up with hard shifts and delayed engagement, the interior lights come on whenever I hit a bump or step on the brakes, and the heater core is failing now.  Unfortunately, almost all of these issues have popped up in the last 10,000 kms.  I'm debating whether to fix everything, or just fix some things, or do I get a new truck because I'm worried about what else will fail after I pay to fix what's currently wrong.  It's going to cost nearly as much as what the truck is worth to fix all that is wrong with it right now.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 07, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: SVT666 on January 07, 2016, 10:59:22 AM
My Explorer is a 2007 and has 212,000 kms (132,000 miles) and everything is starting to fail.  TPMS sensors are failing, rear window wiper died, front passenger side window has difficulty going up, has a rough idle and sometimes stalls, transmission is acting up with hard shifts and delayed engagement, the interior lights come on whenever I hit a bump or step on the brakes, and the heater core is failing now.  Unfortunately, almost all of these issues have popped up in the last 10,000 kms.  I'm debating whether to fix everything, or just fix some things, or do I get a new truck because I'm worried about what else will fail after I pay to fix what's currently wrong.  It's going to cost nearly as much as what the truck is worth to fix all that is wrong with it right now.

Damn, that is pretty horrible for only having 130k miles. My '91 4Runner had 155k miles and even being 24 years old every switch, light and instrument worked perfectly.

I guess that's why Toyotas command such a premium on the used market.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on January 07, 2016, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on January 07, 2016, 11:01:03 AM
Damn, that is pretty horrible for only having 130k miles. My '91 4Runner had 155k miles and even being 24 years old every switch, light and instrument worked perfectly.

I guess that's why Toyotas command such a premium on the used market.
Yeah.  Until the last 10,000 kms (6000 miles) my Explorer has been rock solid. Now, I want to roll it off a cliff.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 07, 2016, 11:25:27 AM
Quote from: SVT666 on January 07, 2016, 10:59:22 AM
My Explorer is a 2007 and has 212,000 kms (132,000 miles) and everything is starting to fail.  TPMS sensors are failing, rear window wiper died, front passenger side window has difficulty going up, has a rough idle and sometimes stalls, transmission is acting up with hard shifts and delayed engagement, the interior lights come on whenever I hit a bump or step on the brakes, and the heater core is failing now.  Unfortunately, almost all of these issues have popped up in the last 10,000 kms.  I'm debating whether to fix everything, or just fix some things, or do I get a new truck because I'm worried about what else will fail after I pay to fix what's currently wrong.  It's going to cost nearly as much as what the truck is worth to fix all that is wrong with it right now.

Well, luckily mine only has 95kish miles, and I'll probably only drive it 8k miles or so per year. Maybe less.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on January 10, 2016, 08:06:03 AM
How is the ride now?  I just was in a 4Runner as an UberX.  I was expecting the ride to be a little worse than something like a Suburban or Tahoe, but it was really rough.  Older model than yours, though. 
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 10, 2016, 10:27:56 AM
Rides pretty well actually. It's a truck, but it's a world of difference compared to my dad's F150.

Once I get the trd pro stuff on, it'll float over potholes and such. More nose dive and a little more body roll, but I can live with that.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 11, 2016, 09:26:31 AM
Huh, just seeing this thread for the first time.

What kind of issues did you have with the Genesis? My dad's boss/best friend has had one for a while (6-9 months) and he is pretty happy with it. I have been driven in it a couple times and it seems pretty nice.

I can understand the desire for new cars. Before I bought ym current car I was switching out every 2-3 years (and probably getting bored after a year or so). I think once you find the right car you will likely stick with it. The fact all your cars have been so different tells me you haven't found that right car yet.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 11, 2016, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 11, 2016, 09:26:31 AM
Huh, just seeing this thread for the first time.

What kind of issues did you have with the Genesis? My dad's boss/best friend has had one for a while (6-9 months) and he is pretty happy with it. I have been driven in it a couple times and it seems pretty nice.

I can understand the desire for new cars. Before I bought ym current car I was switching out every 2-3 years (and probably getting bored after a year or so). I think once you find the right car you will likely stick with it. The fact all your cars have been so different tells me you haven't found that right car yet.

I had a ton of lane drift issues.  Stereo went haywire constantly, but the dealer could never replicate it so they wouldn't do anything, O2 sensor, some vibrations, and a few other things I forget.

The steering was really goofy in that car.  Abnormally heavy in the strangest scenarios.  It was really tiring over distance.  The seats were terrible too.

So far, I'm really glad I got the 4Runner.  Already carried 12 boxes of flooring, miter saw, table saw, a bunch of people, all sorts of things.  Tons of utility in a livable package.

Oddly enough, compared to the genesis: better steering feel, brake feel, and ride quality.  Pretty sad when a truck based SUV is better in some of the basic feel categories as a "sports sedan".
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 11, 2016, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 11, 2016, 07:34:31 PM
I had a ton of lane drift issues.  Stereo went haywire constantly, but the dealer could never replicate it so they wouldn't do anything, O2 sensor, some vibrations, and a few other things I forget.

The steering was really goofy in that car.  Abnormally heavy in the strangest scenarios.  It was really tiring over distance.  The seats were terrible too.

So far, I'm really glad I got the 4Runner.  Already carried 12 boxes of flooring, miter saw, table saw, a bunch of people, all sorts of things.  Tons of utility in a livable package.

Oddly enough, compared to the genesis: better steering feel, brake feel, and ride quality.  Pretty sad when a truck based SUV is better in some of the basic feel categories as a "sports sedan".

You should complain to Hyundai so that some Koreans can be berated and bitch-slapped by their boss. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 11, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
I've lost all faith in them.  That was supposed to be their best effort.  They really don't understand handling dynamics at all.  The new Genesis is leagues better, but I cringe when I drive my girlfriend's tucson.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: ifcar on January 11, 2016, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 11, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
I've lost all faith in them.  That was supposed to be their best effort.  They really don't understand handling dynamics at all.  The new Genesis is leagues better, but I cringe when I drive my girlfriend's tucson.

Cut them some slack -- it was their best effort in 2008. And which full-size cars in the low $30,000s were showing off amazing handling in 2008? 300? Taurus? Avalon? Your expectations may just not have been in line with what's realistic for a relatively affordable car, and I think you're a little over the top in the criticisms. In my experience, the first generation Genesis was generally above average in its class for handling, and you criticized its ride after buying the stiffer-riding sport version.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on January 11, 2016, 09:13:08 PM
I usually figure take H's complaints and boasts and cut them in half to get to what's really happening. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 13, 2016, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: ifcar on January 11, 2016, 09:09:36 PM
Cut them some slack -- it was their best effort in 2008. And which full-size cars in the low $30,000s were showing off amazing handling in 2008? 300? Taurus? Avalon? Your expectations may just not have been in line with what's realistic for a relatively affordable car, and I think you're a little over the top in the criticisms. In my experience, the first generation Genesis was generally above average in its class for handling, and you criticized its ride after buying the stiffer-riding sport version.

Probably a valid point regarding driving dynamics, but that doesn't really excuse the reliability issues. Besides, was the Genesis sedan really classified as a "sport sedan"? I know the coupe had sporty intentions, but I thought the sedan was supposed to be more of a luxury cruiser.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on January 13, 2016, 03:21:33 PM
Hyundai def doesn't know what they're doing with ride and handling. I've driven quite a few and they're all..wrong. The Tuscon was the worst
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 13, 2016, 03:32:04 PM

Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 13, 2016, 12:07:54 PM
Probably a valid point regarding driving dynamics, but that doesn't really excuse the reliability issues. Besides, was the Genesis sedan really classified as a "sport sedan"? I know the coupe had sporty intentions, but I thought the sedan was supposed to be more of a luxury cruiser.

It rode like shit but didn't handle. Felt like a pig on stilts with roller blades attached.

It was fast as fuck in a straight line though. Under 5 to sixty and mid to low 13s in the quarter mile.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Laconian on January 13, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 13, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
It rode like shit but didn't handle. Felt like a pig on stilts with roller blades attached.

It was fast as fuck in a straight line though. Under 5 to sixty and mid to low 13s in the quarter mile.

Did you notice the shortcomings before you bought it? You seemed really (irrationally) enamored with the "rocket couch" aspect of it.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: ifcar on January 13, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 13, 2016, 12:07:54 PM
Probably a valid point regarding driving dynamics, but that doesn't really excuse the reliability issues. Besides, was the Genesis sedan really classified as a "sport sedan"? I know the coupe had sporty intentions, but I thought the sedan was supposed to be more of a luxury cruiser.

It's a luxury cruiser, yes, but he sought out the "R-Spec" version with a stiffer suspension and giant wheels. As reviews noted over the years (including my own), the R-Spec gives up more in ride than it gains in handling. Ride and handling aren't perfect in the regular version either, but ride is smoother than the R-Spec and handling is still above average for full-size affordable cars of that era.

(Just looked up my own review: http://www.examiner.com/article/review-2012-hyundai-genesis-5-0-r-spec-sedan (http://www.examiner.com/article/review-2012-hyundai-genesis-5-0-r-spec-sedan) )

Also, the first-generation Genesis has a decent reliability record -- average in the Consumer Reports survey. There can be a lemon from any automaker.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on January 13, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 13, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
It rode like shit but didn't handle. Felt like a pig on stilts with roller blades attached.

It was fast as fuck in a straight line though. Under 5 to sixty and mid to low 13s in the quarter mile.



You remind me of my friend in Columbus who has had almost every iteration on sale of the VW 2.0T...in about 12 months


Camaro

CC

GTI

Eos

Passat

GLI

Accord Coupe

Passat again

And a few other things that I forgot because I don't talk to him cause he's a twat

Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 13, 2016, 04:17:52 PM
Rocket couch would've have been more couch and same rocket with base suspension and thick squishy winter tires.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 13, 2016, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: ifcar on January 13, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
It's a luxury cruiser, yes, but he sought out the "R-Spec" version with a stiffer suspension and giant wheels. As reviews noted over the years (including my own), the R-Spec gives up more in ride than it gains in handling. Ride and handling aren't perfect in the regular version either, but ride is smoother than the R-Spec and handling is still above average for full-size affordable cars of that era.

Ah, I remembered that he had the crazy fast version, but I forgot that came with stiffer suspension too.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2016, 06:02:40 PM
Congrats, we will see about this one :)

What were the problems with the Genesis?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2016, 08:53:36 PM
Grill pics?
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
I'll have to take some this week once I get the salt off. It's a mess right now.

Got all the interior LED lights in but the puddle lights in the side mirrors (those are going to take me awhile). Haven't done the HID headlight kit yet either. Will take some time and the garage is taken up with house renovations right now, so I'll probably wait until the spring.

The new fog lights I got...I got yellow laminX for them. That shit was cheap and looked terrible. I need to decide if I want to spray them with yellow tint paint or not.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on January 17, 2016, 10:18:09 PM
I also used Yellow tint for my fogs first, but tore it off and painted them before installing them.  Along with the yellow bulbs they looked great.  They have faded some though even though I used a clear coat with UV protection.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
Yellow tint paint for sure.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on January 18, 2016, 01:32:39 AM
It's held up well on my 944.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 18, 2016, 08:58:56 AM
I like the yellow bulbs look.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 18, 2016, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 18, 2016, 08:58:56 AM
I like the yellow bulbs look.
I got Yellow fogs in the G8. Well not bulbs I covered the fogs with Yellow Wrap (6K Hid kits). Pretty soon everybody in Cleveland will do the same and I'll peel it off........
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 18, 2016, 05:28:26 PM
I prefer whiter/cooler lights in the winter on snow, but yellow is phenomenal elsewise. 
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 05, 2016, 08:47:39 AM
Front windows are getting tinted to match the factory OEM tint in the rear on Monday.  It's pretty tame, but I just don't like the mismatch.  I think everyone said 3M 30% matches pretty much perfectly.

Might take off the OEM running boards this weekend.  I hate the way they look.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: veeman on February 05, 2016, 09:43:48 AM
Running boards on a 4Runner are wrong. 
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 05, 2016, 09:13:41 PM
I hate running boards.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 06, 2016, 02:41:41 AM
Congrats a little late.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 06, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
Some of you asked for pictures of the new grill:

(http://i.imgur.com/WUJRHMt.jpg)


Here you can see the suburban mother running boards I need to take off :lol:
(http://i.imgur.com/hVM0A3Y.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 06, 2016, 01:15:43 PM
Do you have any before pics of the grille?  The picture on the first page of the thread doesn't really show it.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 06, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
I don't think I have any before pics. It was just the stock 4Runner grill before.

(https://s2.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/4315/media/images/2015_Toyota_4Runner_SR5_4dr_SUV_40L_6cyl_5A_3941880.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 06, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
Gotcha.  I like the TOYOTA better than the badge.  Nice.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 06, 2016, 02:22:23 PM
Yeah, but it's still rice. :lol:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on February 07, 2016, 08:57:35 AM
Needs a brush guard to cover that gaping hole on the front. That would be totally rice then.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 93JC on February 07, 2016, 11:49:23 AM
Valiant attempt at trying to clean up the front end but the underlying face is one only a mother could love. Eesh.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 07, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
It's fucking rugged, guys. Lay off :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 07, 2016, 01:10:03 PM
It looks like a '90s ricey aftermarket Civic air dam, but it's stock.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 93JC on February 08, 2016, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 07, 2016, 12:50:25 PM
It's fucking rugged, guys. Lay off :lol:

:tounge:

I don't mean to criticize your choice of vehicle, I just think the front end is kind of fugly. Lots of people think the front end of my car is fugly. :)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 08, 2016, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 06, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
Some of you asked for pictures of the new grill:

(http://i.imgur.com/WUJRHMt.jpg)


Obi-Wan has taught you well
(heavy breathing)
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 08, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
Got the Bro Tank front windows tinted today. Told them to match the OEM tint on the rear. From outside, it looks just about spot on.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160209/b4061546f53362c076187a93997356dd.jpg)

But from the inside, it's noticeably darker. It's so different, a quick glance over the shoulder to change lanes bothers me.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160209/7b794c96b0eecec2f1db809b9f991b00.jpg)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 08, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
The back is darker? The back should be darker. Get used to it? Most SUVs are like that.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2016, 09:09:42 PM
Tint the rears darker to match.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2016, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 08, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
The back is darker? The back should be darker. Get used to it? Most SUVs are like that.

Did you even look at the picture? :hammerhead:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 08, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
Oh, woops, thought the head rest pointed the other way. Derp.

Either tint the rest of the windows to match or pull the tint off the fronts, I think those are really the only two options.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 08, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
If you look closely you can see the fronts are darker than the rear from the outside as well.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Laconian on February 08, 2016, 10:18:56 PM
Guh. It'll be a blast when other drivers try to communicate with you at four way intersections. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: Laconian on February 08, 2016, 10:18:56 PM
Guh. It'll be a blast when other drivers try to communicate with you at four way intersections. :rolleyes:

This also means Mike can get mad road head at four way intersections. :winkguy:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Laconian on February 08, 2016, 11:29:13 PM
:lol:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on February 09, 2016, 08:18:56 AM
If you told them to match the tint and it ended up being darker, aren't they responsible for removing it and putting new tint on?

I won't make any comments about how douchey front window tint looks though. I just won't make that comment.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on February 09, 2016, 08:46:45 AM
I'd ask them to redo it.

If it were the other way around (front lighter) it wouldn't bother me, but having the front that dark would be annoying. Is it hard to see out of when driving at night?  I've been in cars with the front tinted so dark it seems like a safety issue at night.



Re the front end, I don't know why they did that to the front end of the base models with the refresh. Looks like shit, probably wouldn't deter me from getting one but you almost need to get the limited now due to that front.  The TRD is an improvement I guess.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 09, 2016, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 08, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
If you look closely you can see the fronts are darker than the rear from the outside as well.

Yeah, it's easier to see through to the yard on the other side of the car in the rear window than the front.

Quote from: SVT666 on February 09, 2016, 08:18:56 AM
If you told them to match the tint and it ended up being darker, aren't they responsible for removing it and putting new tint on?
Quote from: Lebowski on February 09, 2016, 08:46:45 AM
I'd ask them to redo it.

+1
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 09, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
Yeah, that's the plan.  I have to call them and tell them I'm not happy.

The limited front end has waaaaaay too much chrome.  I like the interior and options but the exterior looks are rough.  It's also very expensive.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 09, 2016, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: MrH on February 09, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
Yeah, that's the plan.  I have to call them and tell them I'm not happy.

The limited front end has waaaaaay too much chrome.  I like the interior and options but the exterior looks are rough.  It's also very expensive.

I'd probably get a Trail Premium, but even those are pretty pricey.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 09, 2016, 01:57:07 PM

Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 09, 2016, 09:52:34 AM
I'd probably get a Trail Premium, but even those are pretty pricey.

Yeah and you don't get that much extra. Basically a rear locker and KDSS which is optional. I have no need for a rear locker. KDSS would be nice to have but not a deal breaker.

I'd rather have the cheaper price and the third row seats.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 09, 2016, 02:08:02 PM
Matching tint film to actually-tinted glass is like trying to match a factory paint job with vinyl wrap. 

The fronts are certainly just ever so slightly darker, both inside and out in those pictures.  Not sure how much closer they can get it...I'm guessing they don't have 32.47% tint film or whatever the oddly specific factory tint level is.

My (unfortunate) guess is that even if they bump it a few percent and get the outside to match perfectly, the two will still look slightly different from inside just because one's a film applied to already-treated glass and the other is factory tinted. 



Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on February 09, 2016, 02:09:38 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 09, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
Yeah, that's the plan.  I have to call them and tell them I'm not happy.

The limited front end has waaaaaay too much chrome.  I like the interior and options but the exterior looks are rough.  It's also very expensive.

Post refesh, the Limited is infinitely better looking than the SR5 sorry. Pizza cutter limited wheels still look goofy though.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: veeman on February 09, 2016, 02:15:45 PM
They screwed up.  The front, even from the outside, is noticeably darker.  If they give you problems, have them do the tint meter check on the front window and the back window which all places which do tint should have. 

By googling you should be able to figure out what percentage window tint is stock on the back windows and maybe even what brand of tint.  Then you should be able to exactly match it up. 

I also don't like how they tint the back windows in SUVs darker than the front windows.  Plus putting on good quality tint in the front helps prevent the dash and seats from getting hot and helps prevent UV light from frying your face.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 09, 2016, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: veeman on February 09, 2016, 02:15:45 PM
They screwed up.  The front, even from the outside, is noticeably darker.  If they give you problems, have them do the tint meter check on the front window and the back window which all places which do tint should have. 

By googling you should be able to figure out what percentage window tint is stock on the back windows and maybe even what brand of tint.  Then you should be able to exactly match it up. 

I also don't like how they tint the back windows in SUVs darker than the front windows.  Plus putting on good quality tint in the front helps prevent the dash and seats from getting hot and helps prevent UV light from frying your face.

Many US states don't allow front window tint by law, so manufacturers often don't bother putting any tinted glass in the fronts and leave it up to the customer.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: veeman on February 09, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 09, 2016, 02:20:48 PM
Many US states don't allow front window tint by law, so manufacturers often don't bother putting any tinted glass in the fronts and leave it up to the customer.

Yeah that's true.  Most states don't enforce as long as the driver is still visible and you're not driving a car with a wing and fart can muffler.  My Sonata is tinted all around beyond what the law allows when I lived in NY and the tint shop guy said no one is going to bother you in your POS Sonata.

There's a few nice threads on what people have done to match factory tint in the toyota-4runner.org forum. 

Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 09, 2016, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 09, 2016, 01:57:07 PM
Yeah and you don't get that much extra. Basically a rear locker and KDSS which is optional. I have no need for a rear locker. KDSS would be nice to have but not a deal breaker.

I'd rather have the cheaper price and the third row seats.

Premium gets you better audio (optional on non-premium), pretend leather, power seats, and moon roof (plus a few things I don't really care about).

Trail gets you crawl control, locking rear diff, "lever-type transfer case" (not sure what the alternative is here?), and the option for KDSS (which I've read is pretty awesome, actually).

It's kind of dumb that the 3rd row isn't an option with the Trail though.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 09, 2016, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: veeman on February 09, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
Yeah that's true.  Most states don't enforce as long as the driver is still visible and you're not driving a car with a wing and fart can muffler.  My Sonata is tinted all around beyond what the law allows when I lived in NY and the tint shop guy said no one is going to bother you in your POS Sonata.

There's a few nice threads on what people have done to match factory tint in the toyota-4runner.org forum. 



The "I dunno, it was like this when I bought it, didn't know, haven't been pulled over for it before" lines will usually get you through the first stop or two.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on February 13, 2016, 05:59:21 PM
They're doing a $399 a month lease deal on the Discovery Sport.  Time to trade in the 4Runner!  You've had it too long already.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 13, 2016, 09:14:51 PM
I'm still loving this tank :wub:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: thewizard16 on February 21, 2016, 06:40:44 PM
I'm way late to the party, but congrats man! Love the 4Runner.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 21, 2016, 07:38:41 PM
Anything come out of the tint debacle or has that been back burnered?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 26, 2016, 05:39:02 AM
So when are the TRD wheels coming?

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2jdq53.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 26, 2016, 09:30:26 AM
Just sell the 4runner and buy that ^
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT666 on February 26, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 26, 2016, 09:30:26 AM
Just sell the 4runner and buy that ^
Don't worry. He's probably already contemplating his next purchase.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on April 08, 2016, 06:57:15 AM
Still :wub: this thing.  Not loving my new commute.  The only thing that would get me out of the 4Runner for the foreseeable future is basically an autonomous car that can get me through traffic to and from work, which is still years off.

The car swapping is finally coming to an end.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on April 25, 2016, 08:29:23 AM
Carried wheel chair ramps and a wheel chair this weekend.  Then on Sunday I carried a ton of mulch, a wheelbarrow, and shovel.  Having a vehicle with this kind of utility is awesome :rockon:

TRD Pro suspension is going to be ordered either this week or next.  1.5-2" lift will happen all around.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on April 25, 2016, 08:40:34 AM
Damn, then you can climb over the big curbs! :lol:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on April 25, 2016, 11:28:34 PM
No potholes will stop you now!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on April 26, 2016, 12:04:58 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on April 26, 2016, 06:11:39 AM
:praise:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 01, 2016, 06:14:31 PM
Finally got around to installing the HID kit I had laying around. Let there be light!

Next up is the fog lights. Got a new set of LED fogs. Think I'm going to spray them yellow though :rockon:

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160502/b4fa3de62c7644b969a19010c8c7f99d.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 01, 2016, 08:03:38 PM
Laminex is better if you're gonna spray them. Yellow HIDs/LEDs are even better than Laminex cuz you won't lose lumens....
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 01, 2016, 08:11:59 PM
I bought laminX for the fog lights. Tried applying it. It didn't go well. It looks like shit. The laminX was too thick, and the shape of the lens required quite a bit of stretch. It looked off.

You're not a fan of the yellow tint paint?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on May 01, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: MrH on May 01, 2016, 08:11:59 PM
I bought laminX for the fog lights. Tried applying it. It didn't go well. It looks like shit. The laminX was too thick, and the shape of the lens required quite a bit of stretch. It looked off.

You're not a fan of the yellow tint paint?
Not a fan of paint at all! Did you use a Heat Gun on the LaminX? I have it on my fogs and the heat gun made a big differance! The LamineX laid down perfect with heat. without heat it was a mess! Wrinkles everywhere!!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 01, 2016, 08:34:08 PM
Yeah you have to heat the shit out of the Lamin-x or else you're in for a bad time.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on May 01, 2016, 10:10:49 PM
Or mr money bags can buy the PIAA yellow LED foglights
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 02, 2016, 07:19:39 AM
I think I'll just install them without a yellow tint first and see how they look.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 02, 2016, 07:21:02 AM
What about the TRD Pro style wheels in bronze?

(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/168306d1439005710-info-these-trd-wheels-img_0337.jpg)
Title: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on May 02, 2016, 09:22:38 AM
You should lower it. Slam it to the ground!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 02, 2016, 10:48:19 AM
Tempting, but I think I will go with a slight lift.  Need to maintain my billy goat dominance in the mall parking lots.

Should get my quote back today on all the suspension goodies for the 4Runner and S2000.  Retail is about $1,000 per vehicle.  Let's see how much cheaper I end up :lol:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 04, 2016, 05:43:25 PM
Rear shocks are back ordered until June.

In the meantime, I bought weatherTech mats. Radical!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on May 04, 2016, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2016, 05:43:25 PM

In the meantime, I bought weatherTech mats. Radical!



Are those any good?  One of those things I feel like I always meant to get and never did. 
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 04, 2016, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on May 04, 2016, 05:47:02 PM

Are those any good?  One of those things I feel like I always meant to get and never did.


I just opened them. They look nice. I'll get them in the vehicle tonight.

Carpet floor mats get so gross during the winter here. Just salt and sludge getting dragged in all the time.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 04, 2016, 08:03:27 PM
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2016, 05:43:25 PM


In the meantime, I bought weatherTech mats. Radical!

MADE IN AMERICA :neverforget: :neverforget: :neverforget: :neverforget:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 04, 2016, 08:28:41 PM
They're pretty nice. Can't complain. Not super slick, kind of rubbery, flexible enough to fit. Shaped really well
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on May 05, 2016, 05:58:49 AM
I might need a new floor mat myself. The driver side one is all bunched up and won't lay flat anymore. $88.50 to buy directly from BMW, some sites have them for like $76, claiming to be genuine BMW (and they look it too). Not bad.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on May 05, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
Weather techs are the absolute bees knees for guarding your carpet underneath from winter. I love how they actually lip over the door sill.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 05, 2016, 06:24:09 AM
I don't think I'm going to bother swapping to carpet during the non-winter months.

They don't make one for the 3rd row, but I guess I use it so infrequently it's not a big deal
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SJ_GTI on May 05, 2016, 06:40:21 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 04, 2016, 08:03:27 PM
MADE IN AMERICA :neverforget: :neverforget: :neverforget: :neverforget:

Laser measured!!!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on May 05, 2016, 07:00:09 AM
Quote from: MrH on May 05, 2016, 06:24:09 AM
I don't think I'm going to bother swapping to carpet during the non-winter months.

They don't make one for the 3rd row, but I guess I use it so infrequently it's not a big deal

I got the rubber mats for my Jetta, with the intention of switching them out in the spring and summer....never happened.  Actually, when I traded the car in, I forgot to put the extra mats in the trunk.  The originals are probably in my parents' garage. 
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on May 05, 2016, 08:47:24 AM
Quote from: Lebowski on May 04, 2016, 05:47:02 PM

Are those any good?  One of those things I feel like I always meant to get and never did. 

I have some of the custom fit ones for the Explorer. They aren't quite perfect fit, particularly the front passenger, but other than that they're pretty damn close. I also wish the back seat mats went further under the seats. I like how they have raised edges though - better protection and whatnot.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 05, 2016, 10:15:17 AM
Pffft. Just remove the carpet and you don't need floor mats.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: Xer0 on May 05, 2016, 11:25:58 AM

Quote from: Lebowski on May 04, 2016, 05:47:02 PM

Are those any good?  One of those things I feel like I always meant to get and never did.

I got Husky liners for the Civic which are very similar to the Weathertechs.  Basically, they're amazing, especially if you live in an area that rains/snows a lot.  IIRC, you're in Florida so not sure how rainy it gets by you, but here in Chicago winters and springs it really helps keep the car clean.  They fit well and stay in place and water doesn't spill out since it covers whole area.  Overall, probably best buy for my car.


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Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on May 05, 2016, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2016, 08:28:41 PM
Can't complain. Not super slick, kind of rubbery, flexible enough to fit. Shaped really well

:whatshesaid:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on May 05, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 05, 2016, 08:15:32 PM
:lol:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 17, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Well, the front shocks and springs came to my buddy's house yesterday. Going to be stuck waiting on the rears for another month or so.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160517/2aac3b239b2e4acd6e3a0670477a1903.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on May 18, 2016, 12:26:02 AM
sportwagen!!!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on May 18, 2016, 12:29:46 AM
Curb Crawler
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on May 18, 2016, 12:37:58 AM
'burb brawler
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 18, 2016, 10:24:38 AM
panty prowler
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 18, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
These front shocks are huge. 60mm in diameter. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160519/38639fb6f2787827a4b4029e031b2ae7.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on May 18, 2016, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 18, 2016, 10:24:38 AM
panty prowler

more like "pantry prowler" AM I RITE?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on May 20, 2016, 05:53:28 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 18, 2016, 08:16:40 PM
more like "pantry prowler" AM I RITE?

:lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on May 20, 2016, 11:34:52 AM
Some of these pseudonyms just beg to be put into Haiku form.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: GoCougs on May 20, 2016, 07:45:50 PM
On my local mountain biking forum someone started a thread titled something along the lines of, "How to respond in Haiku when someone aggressively passes you on the trail."

It's been a big hit.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 24, 2016, 09:28:39 AM
Rear shocks came in early!  Hopefully get them on next week I think.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 31, 2016, 01:50:27 PM
So I had to complete the rice transformation.  Ripped apart the side mirrors to replace the puddle lights with LEDs.  Finally, everything has a clean white glow instead of the dirty yellow.

Just gotta install the suspension, figure out what I want to do with the foglights, and then wheels and tires and I'm done with this for awhile.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on June 10, 2016, 05:19:54 PM
So, uh, I got a customized plate. Won't make sense to any of you guys, but the diehard Dayton basketball fans love it.  It's kind of the battle cry of the younger fans. It was coined by a very funny and crude blog that writes about the team.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/4bbad59047c7785cfb9933162603e011.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 10, 2016, 05:46:02 PM
Low D, huh? Gravity doing too much work or something already?
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on June 10, 2016, 05:49:46 PM
It's actually LOUD, just misspelled. We have some very vocal, asshole old men as fans. One of which is known for misspelling things. "Ware red, be lowd" became kind of a sign off to say to fellow Dayton fans.

It took over twitter. My old roommate is a local news anchor that hosts a post game radio show and such. He talks about it a lot. Dayton daily news even wrote an article about LOWD without even knowing the history :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Laconian on June 10, 2016, 09:52:51 PM
Dlowd?
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on June 10, 2016, 11:54:40 PM
The D is just our school's logo
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on June 11, 2016, 01:09:17 AM
Lowd is what it gets at the Dayton Swim Club on Saturday nights.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on June 12, 2016, 01:50:58 PM
So the dealership put none stainless bolts in to hold the license plate.  Totally rusted to the body.  Fucking ridiculous.  I've been wrestling with it for awhile now.

Got one out finally after a ton of work.  The other is realllllly stuck.  Stripped it too much to keep trying the conventional way.  Tried a screw extractor kit, didn't work worth a shit.  Tried to dremel a flat head slot into it, couldn't get enough surface area on it.  Ended up cutting top and bottom off it so I have two flat surfaces to grab.  Just been hitting it with PB blaster and going at it with pliers.  Got it about 3/4 of a revolution out, so now I can get PB blaster in there better.  It's soaking.

Going to have to chase the threads to clean them up, get new hardware and put some anti-seize on them.  Fucking license plate bolts shouldn't be this much of a headache :facepalm:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on June 12, 2016, 05:08:12 PM
This is the one that came out with relatively few issues
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/3f3c37fd93a6036c7e70460ca0af11a0.jpg)

And here's what was left of the one that was stuck. First three threads were cross threaded. Dealer just jammed it past that. Then it corroded too.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/7692d9cf1924af223c3f2836d20d6cdd.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on June 12, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
Non-stainless screws are pretty standard for license plates... Looks like the problem was the dummy who cross-threaded it.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on June 12, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Alright, finally got it all cleaned up. Totally gummed up the first few threads. Had to chase them, it's nice and smooth now. Blasted it with anti corrosion goo, and put new hardware in.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160613/d78afc648bfdd2ac033dd0b9d8212623.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 12, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: Rupert on June 12, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
Non-stainless screws are pretty standard for license plates...

I have no idea why. I can't stand when the rust runs down onto the license plate. Eww.

And phillips heads are the worst.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on June 13, 2016, 12:08:34 AM
All true. I don't think stainless fasteners can be found anywhere on a car, even in places where their reduced strength isn't an issue.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 15, 2016, 10:53:24 AM
but.....  It's "Stainless". So it won't rust....    :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on July 06, 2016, 07:23:34 AM
So I realized there are a few reasons I really like the body-on-frame vs unibody in an SUV:

- It feels incredibly sturdy compared to unibody crossovers.  Roads in Ohio are awful, and it feels fine in the 4runner.  I can go over railroad tracks and pot holes just fine.  Element I'd have to slow down or it'd feel like it would shatter.
- The seating position is very different.  You can only make a vehicle so tall.  The floor on the 4runner is substantially higher than most unibody crossovers.  In order to make enough head room, your feet are much more out in front of you.  Most unibodies have a driving position similar to a minivan.  The 4Runner has a more car like seating position, just higher in the air.


Also, what do you guys think of this?  Stock, the vehicle has a 1" rake (the rear is higher than the front by about 1" - 1.5").  Most install something to level the front.  This guy added the suspension I have sitting in the garage, but also included a 2" lift in the rear.  This maintains the rake.  Is the rear too high here?

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7456/27753352411_cb4638c597_b.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on July 06, 2016, 07:46:33 AM
I like the dog.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on July 06, 2016, 07:47:39 AM
+1 dog is cool
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on July 06, 2016, 07:48:31 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 06, 2016, 07:23:34 AM
Is the rear too high here?

Yes.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on July 06, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Bit too high IMO
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 06, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
Too high
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on July 06, 2016, 11:37:15 AM
Too high
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on July 06, 2016, 12:10:42 PM
Alright, stock springs in the rear it is.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on July 06, 2016, 12:50:22 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on July 06, 2016, 07:48:31 AM
Yes.

Quote from: 68_427 on July 06, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Bit too high IMO

Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 06, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
Too high

Quote from: Lebowski on July 06, 2016, 11:37:15 AM
Too high

You guys fucking suck.   :shakesfist:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on July 06, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 06, 2016, 12:50:22 PM
You guys fucking suck.   :shakesfist:

You don't think it is?  I was leaning that way, just wanted to hear some other opinions on it.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Raza on July 06, 2016, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 06, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
You don't think it is?  I was leaning that way, just wanted to hear some other opinions on it.

No, it is.  But I was hoping more people would comment about the dog.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on July 06, 2016, 01:17:18 PM
Too high for a curb hopper.

(In reality, though, it does look nice to me.)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 06, 2016, 01:49:31 PM
Looks perfectly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 06, 2016, 03:31:48 PM
That dog is too high  :rastaman:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on July 06, 2016, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 06, 2016, 03:31:48 PM
That dog is too high  :rastaman:

Awwww yeeeee
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on July 06, 2016, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 06, 2016, 01:49:31 PM
Looks perfectly reasonable to me.
Same here!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on July 07, 2016, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 06, 2016, 07:23:34 AM
So I realized there are a few reasons I really like the body-on-frame vs unibody in an SUV:

- It feels incredibly sturdy compared to unibody crossovers.  Roads in Ohio are awful, and it feels fine in the 4runner.  I can go over railroad tracks and pot holes just fine.  Element I'd have to slow down or it'd feel like it would shatter.
- The seating position is very different.  You can only make a vehicle so tall.  The floor on the 4runner is substantially higher than most unibody crossovers.  In order to make enough head room, your feet are much more out in front of you.  Most unibodies have a driving position similar to a minivan.  The 4Runner has a more car like seating position, just higher in the air.


Also, what do you guys think of this?  Stock, the vehicle has a 1" rake (the rear is higher than the front by about 1" - 1.5").  Most install something to level the front.  This guy added the suspension I have sitting in the garage, but also included a 2" lift in the rear.  This maintains the rake.  Is the rear too high here?

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7456/27753352411_cb4638c597_b.jpg)
I don't think either of those are because it's BOF vs. unibody. I've been in lose feeling BOF trucks, too. And Toyota is known for that car-like seating position in their trucks, going at least as far back as the early '90s. Most trucks have an upright truck-like seating position.

I'm still rolling my eyes at your posermobile mods, but I know you don't care.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on July 28, 2016, 08:32:28 AM
So I was driving to my parent's house the other night.  They've opened a new road into their neighborhood (it's a relatively new development).  Cuts a few minutes out of the drive.

I go down this road.  At the end, giant concrete barriers.  No room to turn around, so I just jumped the curb and drove off road the rest of the way :lol:  Another win for the 4Runner
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on July 28, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
It was probably a low curb. I could have probably hopped it in my Sonic.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 28, 2016, 09:33:27 AM
I find rental cars are the best curb hoppers
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on July 28, 2016, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: MrH on July 28, 2016, 08:32:28 AM
So I was driving to my parent's house the other night.  They've opened a new road into their neighborhood (it's a relatively new development).  Cuts a few minutes out of the drive.

I go down this road.  At the end, giant concrete barriers.  No room to turn around, so I just jumped the curb and drove off road the rest of the way :lol:  Another win for the 4Runner

Was that 4Runners first time on dirt?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on July 28, 2016, 11:17:33 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 28, 2016, 11:04:59 AM
Was that 4Runners first time on dirt?

Ha, not quite.  It's great to have that flexibility though.

Quote from: 2o6 on July 28, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
It was probably a low curb. I could have probably hopped it in my Sonic.

It was a big boy curb.  Would have crushed the Element :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 28, 2016, 11:22:25 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on July 28, 2016, 09:09:54 AM
It was probably a low curb. I could have probably hopped it in my Sonic.

So do you know where his parents live or do you just like to make up random shit?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on July 28, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 28, 2016, 11:22:25 AM
So do you know where his parents live or do you just like to make up random shit?


Calm down, bruh
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on July 28, 2016, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 28, 2016, 11:17:33 AM


It was a big boy curb.  Would have crushed the Element :lol:


laame. it was probably a regular ass curb and you just wanna show off
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on July 28, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
Do I need to go and find some hills and take some 4Runner flexin pics so you believe me? :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 28, 2016, 04:47:52 PM
Yea boi
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on July 28, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 28, 2016, 08:32:28 AM
So I was driving to my parent's house the other night.  They've opened a new road into their neighborhood (it's a relatively new development).  Cuts a few minutes out of the drive.

I go down this road.  At the end, giant concrete barriers.  No room to turn around, so I just jumped the curb and drove off road the rest of the way :lol:  Another win for the 4Runner

This is your big off road story?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on July 28, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: Rupert on July 28, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
This is your big off road story?

Concrete barriers so giant, he jumped em. ;)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on July 28, 2016, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: MrH on July 28, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
Do I need to go and find some hills and take some 4Runner flexin pics so you believe me? :lol:

We can compare to my pics and the Tacoma.  Both have Flexin shots on this site.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on July 28, 2016, 10:41:45 PM
Real MenTM don't need to post pictures of their trucks being trucks.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on July 28, 2016, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on July 28, 2016, 09:50:37 PM
We can compare to my pics and the Tacoma.  Both have Flexin shots on this site.

Tacoma doesn't even have a rear sway bar.  Rear end gets mad flexxx.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on July 28, 2016, 11:33:50 PM
I've got plastic endlinks so mad flex.


I've had aluminum A4 endlinks for a year now just haven't installed them
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on July 28, 2016, 11:37:44 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on July 28, 2016, 11:33:50 PM
I've got plastic endlinks so mad flex.


I've had aluminum A4 endlinks for a year now just haven't installed them

y u have Audi endlinks
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on July 28, 2016, 11:41:33 PM
They fit and are better than Subaru ones.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on August 31, 2016, 06:48:07 AM
Alright, I think this is my favorite vehicle I've owned.  It's so well rounded.  Driving dynamics aren't great obviously, but it floats down the highway well.  Comfortable and tons of utility.

Carried a full bed this weekend from Columbus.  Unloaded that, and then carried a big desk, tv, and chair across town.

Just passed 15k miles.  I'm going to be putting 14k+ per year it seems.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on August 31, 2016, 07:58:26 AM
You've had it for a year?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 31, 2016, 08:31:05 AM
Quote from: Rich on August 31, 2016, 07:58:26 AM
You've had it for a year?

*Clicks on page 1*

He apparently got it last December. So unless it had a lot of miles when he bought it, he'll be way past 14k miles this year.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on August 31, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
It had a few thousand when I bought it.  Got it on Christmas Eve last year.  Maybe I will be over 14k?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on September 09, 2016, 07:30:57 AM
Still no wheels and tires for me yet.  I think I'm going to force myself to pay for them with money I get from getting rid of stuff.  It'll give me incentive to purge the house of things I don't need.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on September 09, 2016, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 09, 2016, 07:30:57 AM
Still no wheels and tires for me yet.  I think I'm going to force myself to pay for them with money I get from getting rid of stuff.  It'll give me incentive to purge the house of things I don't need.

Dude I've been having the same thoughts. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 09, 2016, 10:55:40 AM
I think I'm going to wait until after winter to do wheels + tires. I already have snow tires that fit on the current wheels, but I want a smaller set for when I buy all terrains.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 07:56:52 PM
So I was going to buy the TRD Pro wheels for about $800 for a set of 4. But then I started looking around. Lots of people like the look of the Trail Edition wheels. Found a nice set for $400 in Cincinnati. Might jump on that. Thoughts? Not sure if I like the bright silver. Plastidipped black doesn't look bad at all.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160928/daaf45c9b10f3a0488fe23d342fefad7.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160928/faa1e92031cbd665ef40088c36d57165.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 27, 2016, 08:00:11 PM
If you want  black wheels, why not just get steelies?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on September 27, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
Black alloy wheels, too? Are you competing with Rags for most rice on the forum? ;)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 08:17:28 PM
Just not sure if I'm sold on the bright silver. A metallic copper color might be cool too. I like the shape a lot more than my SR5 wheels.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 27, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
Just get some dusty brake pads and let them change color naturally
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 27, 2016, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: Rupert on September 27, 2016, 08:10:53 PM

Black alloy wheels, too? Are you competing with Rags for most rice on the forum? ;)
HEY!!! Watch it! I got black mags too!

Quote from: MrH on September 27, 2016, 07:56:52 PM
So I was going to buy the TRD Pro wheels for about $800 for a set of 4. But then I started looking around. Lots of people like the look of the Trail Edition wheels. Found a nice set for $400 in Cincinnati. Might jump on that. Thoughts? Not sure if I like the bright silver. Plastidipped black doesn't look bad at all.
Don't fool around with PlastiDip! Take it from me! Just have them Powder Coated or painted! Too many peeling issues (as far as wheels go) with Dip! I learned the hard way! Peeled it all off and Painted mine!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on September 27, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
Yeah, but you don't drive a modified SUV in nothing but the city.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 27, 2016, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: Rupert on September 27, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
Yeah, but you don't drive a modified SUV in nothing but the city.
True Dat....
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on September 28, 2016, 07:27:24 AM
Let's count how many times Rupert can be salty on a single page.  I count 4!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 28, 2016, 07:30:41 AM
Quote from: Rupert on September 27, 2016, 08:10:53 PM
Black alloy wheels, too? Are you competing with Rags for most rice on the forum? ;)

Black wheels are rice? Really? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on September 28, 2016, 09:40:28 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 28, 2016, 07:30:41 AM
Black wheels are rice? Really? :rolleyes:

Look at the total package.

That's five!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on September 29, 2016, 07:30:44 AM
Rupert is begging for some roasting of a picture of him :lol:

I broke the latch that releases the middle seat to come down :facepalm:  Can't find it anywhere online to buy either.  Probably going to get boned by the dealership to fix.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT_Power on September 29, 2016, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 29, 2016, 07:30:44 AM
I broke the latch that releases the middle seat to come down :facepalm:  Can't find it anywhere online to buy either.  Probably going to get boned by the dealership to fix.

HULK SMASH!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on September 29, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
No need to bring someone's personal identity in this fight to see which suburban mom has the faker fake tits
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on September 29, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
I don't think black wheels are ricey.  I'mma have black steelies eventually.  Ricey would be...19" yellow rims with rubber bandz on a fourRunner.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on September 29, 2016, 09:12:43 PM
I mean, at least that would more closely match how he uses it.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 12:54:44 PM
Still haven't put the TuRD Pro suspension on.  I drive it too regularly to keep it out of action for a few days.  I considered paying a shop to do it, but they want $450 to install and align.  Seems like a lot to me.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on October 24, 2016, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 24, 2016, 12:54:44 PM
Still haven't put the TuRD Pro suspension on.  I drive it too regularly to keep it out of action for a few days.  I considered paying a shop to do it, but they want $450 to install and align.  Seems like a lot to me.


That sounds cheap
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 24, 2016, 06:56:27 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on October 24, 2016, 01:19:40 PM

That sounds cheap
Especially with the Alignment included!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 07:04:39 PM
Wow. I was thinking more like $350 with alignment included.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 24, 2016, 07:18:53 PM
If an alignment is $80 and the shop charges $80-100 per hour, that's about 4 hours of labor to change the suspension. What all needs to be done, again? Springs + shocks + sways? Doesn't sound too far off.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on October 24, 2016, 07:33:16 PM
I figured it was because you realized how much of a poser you'd be and decided not to install it after all.

;) :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 24, 2016, 07:18:53 PM
If an alignment is $80 and the shop charges $80-100 per hour, that's about 4 hours of labor to change the suspension. What all needs to be done, again? Springs + shocks + sways? Doesn't sound too far off.

No, just shocks. Rear is simple. Front is independent, so you need to remove the old coils, remove the top mounts, compress the new spring and install the top mount, and then install in the car.

That's the main reason I don't feel like doing it at home. The new springs are huge and require quite a bit of compression and need a serious spring compressor. I don't feel like trying that at home with one of those shitty ones you borrow from autozone.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 04, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
Alright, need to compete on the Mall Crawler competition.

Which color TuRD Pro wheels:  Black or silver

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/ccsp/20141018_162910_zps23ef4988.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0xHK37R97Lvj7hVdLmyE7esFql_JoIQi0dZTo63SP6joH_7Oa)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 04, 2017, 09:13:07 AM
I like silver.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
Silver is less bro-like so I'd lean towards that. As long as they aren't the same shade as the car.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 04, 2017, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 04, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
Silver is less bro-like so I'd lean towards that. As long as they aren't the same shade as the car.

Having a clean 4Runner that never leaves the street with knobby tires and offroady suspensions is already bro as fuck.  Might as well go full brotard.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 04, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
Black Wheels = More HP
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on January 04, 2017, 12:13:16 PM
Silver.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 12:41:38 PM
I put black wheels on Versa S because they were cheaper and lighter than the other coloures. Black wheels are for poor people.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on January 04, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
Black
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 04, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
Sample pics with your exterior color. IMO, black looks better. The gunmetal is too similar to your exterior (unless there's a third, lighter colored option).

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p161/neauxla/P1710331_zpsoy1rxwd0.jpg)

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p161/neauxla/IMG_20150610_153244_zps7ppaurwj.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on January 04, 2017, 01:39:01 PM
The pic he posted earlier looked lighter than that, but could have just been the lighting. I agree in those pics the black looks better cause the gunmetal too close to his paint ... but a lighter silver would look better than both imo.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 04, 2017, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on January 04, 2017, 01:39:01 PM
The pic he posted earlier looked lighter than that, but could have just been the lighting. I agree in those pics the black looks better cause the gunmetal too close to his paint ... but a lighter silver would look better than both imo.

Yeah, I think it's a combination of the lighting (reflection off that near-white driveway) and the black paint rather than Mike's gray.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 04, 2017, 03:21:34 PM
Yeah, Brodozer Black it is.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 04, 2017, 03:52:47 PM
Even in those pics I like gunmetal more. But black isn't terrible.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: r0tor on January 05, 2017, 10:49:11 AM
...Waiting a few months for the "I'm selling this thing because I can't stand driving it on the highway" comment...
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 05, 2017, 10:52:16 AM
I drive it 60+ miles on the highway everyday.  It's in a different league compared to the old Element and even Genesis.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT_Power on January 05, 2017, 11:15:59 AM
Either you're sensory perceptions are way off or something was seriously wrong with your Genesis if your 4runner is way better on the highway than a modern fullsize luxo sedan :confused:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 05, 2017, 11:35:00 AM
Quote from: SVT_Power on January 05, 2017, 11:15:59 AM
Either you're sensory perceptions are way off or something was seriously wrong with your Genesis if your 4runner is way better on the highway than a modern fullsize luxo sedan :confused:

The Genesis apparently had serious issues. I think it was mostly related to the R-Speciness of that particular one. Normal Geneseses seem to be fine.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 05, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
In typical Hyundai fashion, ride quality was garbage, steering tuning was really bad, suspension geometry caused it to wander everywhere and pull hard with the road crown, and the seats weren't comfortable.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: shp4man on January 05, 2017, 01:01:36 PM
Learn all kinds of interesting things  about how younger guys interact on here. Also, don't think I'd put anything called  "turd pro" on my truck. Or at least not the window sticker that comes in the box.  :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: r0tor on January 05, 2017, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 05, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
In typical Hyundai fashion, ride quality was garbage, steering tuning was really bad, suspension geometry caused it to wander everywhere and pull hard with the road crown, and the seats weren't comfortable.

And you think the TuRD Pro suspension/wheels/tires won't get you there?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 05, 2017, 05:44:44 PM
Naw. TRD Pro stuff is a little more floaty than stock, but it's solid.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 08:23:06 PM
I feel like your 2Runner (do you ever use all 4? :lol: ) will be about as floaty and smooth as our old Grand Marquis was. Which is to say...a beautiful cruiser.
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 05, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
I was 4x4ing it all over the place today :praise:

Highway was a mess. Took icy back roads to that MBA info meeting today. Unplowed icy neighborhood roads the whole way.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 08:31:39 PM
Unplowed?!?! omgosh.  I haven't seen my street in 2 months and I never use 4 dubbya D.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 08:36:28 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 08:31:39 PM
Unplowed?!?! omgosh.  I haven't seen my street in 2 months and I never use 4 dubbya D.

OMG ur liek sooooo kewl.


For real though, I'd be fine without 4x4 on packed snow, but I turn mine on for packed snow because why not? I dunno about your Toyotas, but on the Explorer it's just a click of a button to switch from 4x4 Auto to 4x4 Full.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 05, 2017, 08:40:38 PM
I have an electronically actuated transfer case. No torsen center diff though, so either 2x4 or 4x4
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 05, 2017, 08:40:38 PM
I have an electronically actuated transfer case. No torsen center diff though, so either 2x4 or 4x4

Does that mean you have to stop to switch into 4x4? I only have to stop to switch from 4x4 High to 4x4 Low. I'd probably use 4x4 a lot less if I had to stop to change.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 05, 2017, 09:50:53 PM
I go everywhere in 4WD now...
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 05, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 09:46:03 PM
Does that mean you have to stop to switch into 4x4? I only have to stop to switch from 4x4 High to 4x4 Low. I'd probably use 4x4 a lot less if I had to stop to change.

No, you can switch from 2x4 to 4x4 Hi on the move. Have to stop to get into 4x4 Lo though. I just don't have a 4x4 auto setting like you have. Basically means the center diff is some sort of torsen setup usually. Limited 4Runners have that. I wish mine did, but I hate the way the limiteds look. And they're really expensive too.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 08:36:28 PM
OMG ur liek sooooo kewl.


For real though, I'd be fine without 4x4 on packed snow, but I turn mine on for packed snow because why not? I dunno about your Toyotas, but on the Explorer it's just a click of a button to switch from 4x4 Auto to 4x4 Full.

I use 4x4 when I have to. If you have to use 4x4 on hardpack roads, you're an impatient n00b.  I'm not gonna leave my 4x4 on for the 5 months a year I see hardpack. :huh: :wtf:

Sry u moved to Colorado to get less snow than me.

Actually, no, I've experienced the Auto 4x4 on those Explorers, so I know why you'd use Full 4x4. I haaaaated the auto 4x4 on our '02.  It just felt like torture to the tranny and transfer case. I see your point.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
I actually wish I could lock it into 2x4 for easier sideways action. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
I actually wish I could lock it into 2x4 for easier sideways action. :lol:

For real. My parents' '02 Sploder drove me nuts for that very reason. I figured it was better to have it fully engaged than to have the Auto function do whatever the hell it was doing to the trans.  Just felt like twitchy torture for it.

After driving that vehicle for a winter, I know I will never want another vehicle with auto 4x4 again. Switchable or bust. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 05, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
I actually wish I could lock it into 2x4 for easier sideways action. :lol:

There's a kit for the Land Cruiser to do that, but it ain't cheap.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 05, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
There's a kit for the Land Cruiser to do that, but it ain't cheap.

Pull the ABS fuse? :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 05, 2017, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 10:31:16 PM
Pull the ABS fuse? :lol:

Well, that's easy.

No, to disconnect the front drive shaft.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 10:49:28 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 05, 2017, 10:39:43 PM
Well, that's easy.

No, to disconnect the front drive shaft.

Ah.  I had that issue in Bravvy.  SmartTrak wasn't working so I only had 2WD because the motor wouldn't engage 4WD.  I got stuck once. ...once. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: GoCougs on January 05, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Well, at least for driving on snowy/icy roads, on-demand/permanent 4WD (such as the sophisticated systems like that from Infiniti or Audi) are IME superior to conventional fixed/locked 4WD. The ability to direct power front and rear, and sometimes left to right, provides much better traction and performance, esp. when combined with modern stability control. Locked 4WD is going to be better when things get deep, bumpy and slow (which generally isn't what you'll find on roads).
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 05, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 05, 2017, 10:21:19 PM
I actually wish I could lock it into 2x4 for easier sideways action. :lol:

I got sideways action in the Miata today. :huh:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 06, 2017, 06:59:06 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 09:54:28 PM
I use 4x4 when I have to. If you have to use 4x4 on hardpack roads, you're an impatient n00b.  I'm not gonna leave my 4x4 on for the 5 months a year I see hardpack. :huh: :wtf:

Sry u moved to Colorado to get less snow than me.

Actually, no, I've experienced the Auto 4x4 on those Explorers, so I know why you'd use Full 4x4. I haaaaated the auto 4x4 on our '02.  It just felt like torture to the tranny and transfer case. I see your point.

Hell yeah I'm impatient.  If it's slippery out, I want to blast through the snow :lol:

When it snows bad, I just lock the center diff and floor it and kick up snow everywhere.  4Runner life is great.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 06, 2017, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 05, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
I got sideways action in the Miata today. :huh:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with driving an SUV in the snow. :huh:

Quote from: GoCougs on January 05, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Well, at least for driving on snowy/icy roads, on-demand/permanent 4WD (such as the sophisticated systems like that from Infiniti or Audi) are IME superior to conventional fixed/locked 4WD. The ability to direct power front and rear, and sometimes left to right, provides much better traction and performance, esp. when combined with modern stability control. Locked 4WD is going to be better when things get deep, bumpy and slow (which generally isn't what you'll find on roads).

I don't really think anyone is going disagree with you there.

Quote from: MrH on January 06, 2017, 06:59:06 AM
Hell yeah I'm impatient.  If it's slippery out, I want to blast through the snow :lol:

When it snows bad, I just lock the center diff and floor it and kick up snow everywhere.  4Runner life is great.

This too. Sometimes it's fun to just be like "FUCK YO SNOW" and go.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 28, 2017, 10:03:57 AM
Welp. Came out to the car this morning. Total flat tire.

Didn't want to pay to potentially pay for a new tire, so I'm going to swap on the spare. Forced my hand to order news wheels and tires.

Just bought the black TRD Pro wheels. Once they get in I'll get tires and everything.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on January 28, 2017, 10:44:29 AM
Forced your hand  :clap:

I'm sure it could have been patched while the spare is on. Thing comes with a full size spare?  You're not gonna catch bimmerm3 that way :-p
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 28, 2017, 10:55:06 AM
I'll beat him in the mall crawler competition though :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 28, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170128/02f15aaafb08daaca84189d9a12dac23.jpg)

Wow. That's really flat.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on January 28, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
Make sure it doesn't catch on fire
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 28, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170128/02f15aaafb08daaca84189d9a12dac23.jpg)

Wow. That's really flat.

Just on the bottom.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2017, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Rich on January 28, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
Make sure it doesn't catch on fire

This is humor?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on January 28, 2017, 03:58:44 PM
Svx has one flat and the outback has two.


I'm winning
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 28, 2017, 03:58:44 PM
Svx has one flat and the outback has two.


I'm winning

Mine has at least two...
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on January 28, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 28, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170128/02f15aaafb08daaca84189d9a12dac23.jpg)

Wow. That's really flat.

0_o Is this your first flat tire?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 28, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
I've had a bunch of slow leaks (1 in the protege5, 1 in the Miata, and 1 in the s2k). Don't think I've had a tire completely lose air like that that fast.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on January 28, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
That would explain your reaction, then. :lol:

FYI, they can probably fix it, so there's no need to get new wheels and tires, though I'm sure you will anyway.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on January 29, 2017, 06:26:22 AM
AAA will drive to your house, remove the tire, and plug it.  I've got at least three AAA plugs in my summer tires.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: r0tor on January 29, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
I had 2 flats in the Jeep that went down to the rim in about 1 minute while driving...Did a tire change in a bank parking lot and one more adventurous on a back road with no shoulder.

Oddly enough, the Jeep is a big enough of a lard ass that a dead flat really doesn't feel that noticeable while driving
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 29, 2017, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 29, 2017, 06:26:22 AM
AAA will drive to your house, remove the tire, and plug it.  I've got at least three AAA plugs in my summer tires.

Or plug that shit yourself. Cmon son.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on January 29, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 29, 2017, 02:57:28 PM
Or plug that shit yourself. Cmon son.

Meh AAA is like $9 and I don't even have to go outside for more than 1 minute
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 30, 2017, 06:39:38 AM
Quote from: MrH on January 28, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
I've had a bunch of slow leaks (1 in the protege5, 1 in the Miata, and 1 in the s2k). Don't think I've had a tire completely lose air like that that fast.

Yeah, pretty much the same for me.  Plenty of low pressure situations but never a completely flat tire.

I did once have a blow out. Luckily at the time I owned a B6 Audi A4. At that time the spare tire was actually a fifth wheel with normal tire, so I just put the new wheel/tire on and got the blowout replaced later. Made me wish that all cars could come with a 5th wheel (or even the space for a fifth wheel).
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 30, 2017, 07:18:29 AM
So, I've never had a truck before and had to use the spare. What a cool system!

You go to the back hatch, pop open a compartment in the cargo area. There's a bag with pieces for the jack. You assemble this big metal T shape bar. In the bumper, there's a hole you slide it through. The square end fits into a slot and then you start turning it. There's a pulley with a chain on it that lowers the spare all the way to the ground. Unhook the spare, put it on, and then you can pull the other wheel back up with the pulley.

Is this how every truck does spares?! Am I an idiot for thinking this was cool? :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on January 30, 2017, 07:35:06 AM
IME yeah. Speaking from experiencing a flat on a mid 2000s suburban in the Kuwait desert.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 30, 2017, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: MrH on January 30, 2017, 07:18:29 AM
So, I've never had a truck before and had to use the spare. What a cool system!

You go to the back hatch, pop open a compartment in the cargo area. There's a bag with pieces for the jack. You assemble this big metal T shape bar. In the bumper, there's a hole you slide it through. The square end fits into a slot and then you start turning it. There's a pulley with a chain on it that lowers the spare all the way to the ground. Unhook the spare, put it on, and then you can pull the other wheel back up with the pulley.

Is this how every truck does spares?! Am I an idiot for thinking this was cool? :lol:

Oh, You're gonna find minivans to be a special treat!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 30, 2017, 08:16:40 AM
If you deal with rusty trucks much, that cable on the pulley snaps as you're lowering it, and then you find out the spare is flat anyways because water collects around the rim and rusts the bead away until it won't seal.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 30, 2017, 08:29:25 AM
I thought it was pretty slick. I was laying on my back under it, thinking I could unbolt something to drop it. Never imagined it was clever enough to be on a pulley
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 30, 2017, 08:36:17 AM
It's a pretty common setup.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT_Power on January 30, 2017, 09:14:37 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 28, 2017, 01:50:56 PM
This is humor?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on January 30, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 30, 2017, 07:18:29 AM
So, I've never had a truck before and had to use the spare. What a cool system!

You go to the back hatch, pop open a compartment in the cargo area. There's a bag with pieces for the jack. You assemble this big metal T shape bar. In the bumper, there's a hole you slide it through. The square end fits into a slot and then you start turning it. There's a pulley with a chain on it that lowers the spare all the way to the ground. Unhook the spare, put it on, and then you can pull the other wheel back up with the pulley.

Is this how every truck does spares?! Am I an idiot for thinking this was cool? :lol:

Yes and yes. :lol:

I find it to be a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: r0tor on January 30, 2017, 04:34:32 PM
I like my Jeep and having the wheel stored like a regular car... Keeps road crap off the tire and no worrying about some damn cable or mechanism rusting to hell.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on January 30, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
BroRunner wheels will be here Wednesday now. Gotta call tire discounters. I think they'll patch my one tire, buy back my used tires for probably like $100, reuse my tpms sensors, mount and balance bfg ko2 tires, and give me back my stock wheels. Then I sell my stock wheels. Expensive moves, but finally that'll be done. Then just need to install the coilovers in the garage and I'll be done for awhile.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 30, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
Damn, your garage is getting its own coilovers? Must be nice.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 30, 2017, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 30, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
Damn, your garage is getting its own coilovers? Must be nice.

Seems like a waste in Ohio.

San Francisco I could see.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 31, 2017, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 30, 2017, 07:18:29 AM
So, I've never had a truck before and had to use the spare. What a cool system!

You go to the back hatch, pop open a compartment in the cargo area. There's a bag with pieces for the jack. You assemble this big metal T shape bar. In the bumper, there's a hole you slide it through. The square end fits into a slot and then you start turning it. There's a pulley with a chain on it that lowers the spare all the way to the ground. Unhook the spare, put it on, and then you can pull the other wheel back up with the pulley.

Is this how every truck does spares?! Am I an idiot for thinking this was cool? :lol:

LOL

Minivans sometimes the bolt to turn the pulley to lower the cable is inside the passenger space somewhere.

Current Odyssey donut is in a compartment between the front and middle seats, you have to lift bunches of carpet out of the way.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on January 31, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
I should see if my spare is still intact.  That is, will it still lower/raise in the event I need it.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 01, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170202/0736d9d546696415cac224745d6ab4e8.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 01, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
I dig it, especially with the red.

I still think gunmetal or a lighter color would have looked better though.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 01, 2017, 06:41:02 PM
slick.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 01, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 01, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
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NICE
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 01, 2017, 08:11:53 PM
Those are defective. They say TRD not TuRD. You'll have to get a paintbrush and fix it.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 02, 2017, 07:16:48 AM
I should get poop-moji center caps made.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 03, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
Tires for the 4Runner: $1k :cry:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 03, 2017, 09:18:00 AM
What kind of tires are you looking at?  There are plenty of good tires for less than $250 per.  Unless you feel like spending a grand.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 03, 2017, 09:22:26 AM
BFG KO2 275/70/R17.

That's everything out the door.  This is what I'm asking them to do:

- Take old wheels & tires, remove tires, batch one of them
- Rebuild TPMS sensors
- Install TPMS sensors on new wheels
- Mount and balance new tires on new wheels
- Buy back my old tires
- Give me my old wheels without tires on them.

I'll likely get $60-$70 in value for my old tires.  So It'll be more like $950 or so.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 03, 2017, 09:21:15 PM
What on Earth do you need BFGs for?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 03, 2017, 09:32:23 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 03, 2017, 09:21:15 PM
What on Earth do you need BFGs for?

I didn't wanna be the first to ask...
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 03, 2017, 09:35:29 PM
I don't have BFGs, and they were the same price as the Bridgestone Revos that I did get. More tire than I need, even with my snowy icy 50 mile including a mountain pass commute. Actually, the Revos might be better in snow than the BFGs.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 03, 2017, 09:40:58 PM
Get the knockoffs if you just want the look and 90% of the performance...General Grabbers. :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 03, 2017, 09:41:29 PM
I'd get the BFGs solely because I like name brand tires.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 03, 2017, 09:44:59 PM
So many other brands with names that make A/T tires, not that probably even needs to go that far.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 03, 2017, 11:11:25 PM
Falkens would be acceptable too
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 03, 2017, 11:50:19 PM
I just go to Tire Rack and read a bunch of reviews until I find a good balance between quality and price.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 04, 2017, 07:45:30 AM
KO2s are the highest rated and also last forever. I'm not going to get Chinese "Federal" tires that are shot every 10k miles
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 04, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
Quote from: MrH on February 04, 2017, 07:45:30 AM
KO2s are the highest rated and also last forever. I'm not going to get Chinese "Federal" tires that are shot every 10k miles

lol Nobody's telling you to get shit tires.  Why not go for something that actually suits your driving?  Y'know, hopping curbs and stuff.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: GoCougs on February 04, 2017, 01:07:24 PM
Jesus, what the hell is going on in here? Why have a legit BoF 4WD vehicle and not have A/T tires on it???

Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 04, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on February 04, 2017, 01:07:24 PM
Jesus, what the hell is going on in here? Why have a legit BoF 4WD vehicle and not have A/T tires on it???



Why have a legit BoF 4WD vehicle and never take it off road in the first place? :huh: :devil:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2017, 01:47:48 PM
He has money and he wants the BFGs because they're cool and very good tires. I see no problem here. 4Runner with lame tires is lame.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 04, 2017, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2017, 01:47:48 PM
He has money and he wants the BFGs because they're cool and very good tires. I see no problem here. 4Runner with lame tires is lame.

I agree.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rupert on February 04, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
4Runner for curb hopping is...
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 04, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 04, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
4Runner for curb hopping is...

Perfectly adequate
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: GoCougs on February 04, 2017, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 04, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
4Runner for curb hopping is...

Why are you so insecure about this?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CALL_911 on February 04, 2017, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: Rupert on February 04, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
4Runner for curb hopping is...

apparently something you're jealous of
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 04, 2017, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on February 04, 2017, 03:14:46 PM
Why are you so insecure about this?

Suburban  brodozers are planet killers. Its only ok to have one if you actually use it to drive over nature.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 06, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 04, 2017, 03:39:30 PM
Suburban  brodozers are planet killers. Its only ok to have one if you actually use it to drive over nature.

Correction:  It's only ok if you drive it over Rupert approved nature.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Lebowski on February 06, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: MrH on February 06, 2017, 10:31:23 AM

Correction:  It's only ok if you drive it over Rupert approved nature.



With a Hope and Change bumper sticker.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 06, 2017, 05:25:05 PM
Tires ordered. Should have them on Wednesday or Thursday. Hope I'll survive without dear Rupert's approval :lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 06, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
Run 18psi in em. So comfy.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 06, 2017, 06:23:55 PM
:lol: I'll pass.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 06, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
Run 18psi in em. So comfy.

His neighbors will hear him from a mile away

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Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 06, 2017, 06:40:36 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 06, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
His neighbors will hear him his wallet from a mile away

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

FTFY
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 07, 2017, 07:10:33 AM
RCK CRLR for plate
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 93JC on February 07, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
Rock Curler? Didn't know he curled.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 07, 2017, 03:13:46 PM
Unfortunately it's a 7 character maximum
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 07, 2017, 03:28:10 PM
I already got a custom plate on dis bitch.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 07, 2017, 03:31:36 PM
They gave me double trade in value by accident I think. $750 for tires all mounted and balanced
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: SVT_Power on February 07, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: 93JC on February 07, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
Rock Curler? Didn't know he curled.

Curls for the gurls
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 07, 2017, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: 93JC on February 07, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
Rock Curler? Didn't know he curled.

Rockin' Crullers. Specialty donut shop.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 07, 2017, 03:55:14 PM
Here it is, it all it's non-Rupert approve glory

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170207/fc38874705339deae7552f49b828c733.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 07, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
That looks pretty slick.

Roof rack is now too shiny.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 07, 2017, 04:11:33 PM
:rockon:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 07, 2017, 04:17:25 PM
Can't even see anything. Too many dark colors.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 07, 2017, 05:56:03 PM
Nice. I like that paint color.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 07, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
So when are you getting a steel bumper???
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 93JC on February 07, 2017, 08:35:31 PM
Quote from: SVT_Power on February 07, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
Curls for the gurls

Not a bad idea, lotta cuties curl.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: shp4man on February 07, 2017, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 07, 2017, 03:55:14 PM
Here it is, it all it's non-Rupert approve glory

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170207/fc38874705339deae7552f49b828c733.jpg)

Nice looking truck!  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 08, 2017, 06:52:07 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 07, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
So when are you getting a steel bumper???

https://www.instagram.com/lawndartdesign/

That's some next level 4Runner stuff.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 08, 2017, 06:57:30 AM
orange one is badass
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 08, 2017, 07:16:15 AM
I actually would like to get a Southern Style Speed front bumper, but not for the price they charge.  If they do a large enough group buy to drive the price down significantly, I'd consider.

(http://southernstylespeed.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/s/dsc_0420.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 11, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
:lol: now I know why chunky tires like this don't come stuck. Gas mileage took a complete nose dive. Granted it was cold this week, but that's the worst I've seen.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CALL_911 on February 11, 2017, 01:21:49 PM
What were you getting/what are you getting
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 11, 2017, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 11, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
:lol: now I know why chunky tires like this don't come stuck. Gas mileage took a complete nose dive. Granted it was cold this week, but that's the worst I've seen.

n00b
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on February 11, 2017, 01:50:51 PM
4Runner getting sold for something with better mileage in 3...2...1..

:lols
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: r0tor on February 12, 2017, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: r0tor on January 05, 2017, 10:49:11 AM
...Waiting a few months for the "I'm selling this thing because I can't stand driving it on the highway" comment...

-cough-
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on February 12, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
How big of a nose dive was it?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 12, 2017, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: Rich on February 11, 2017, 01:50:51 PM
4Runner getting sold for something with better mileage in 3...2...1..

:lols
:lol:
Title: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 12, 2017, 12:43:52 PM
Summer I was getting 19-20 mpg. Winter was around 17-18. Last tank with the new tires: 15.6 mpg :lol:

I won't be selling for better gas mileage. Gas costs are a drop in the bucket compared to total vehicle cost.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 2o6 on February 12, 2017, 01:32:38 PM
15MPH? Man you must be crawling everywhere
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 28, 2017, 12:09:44 AM
Consumer reports says this car is less reliable than 2 Audis, a Mercedes, and a turbo Chevy  :mask: :pullover:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 28, 2017, 04:20:15 PM
TuRD PRO

https://www.facebook.com/DougWarner.Journalist/videos/1451881858179523/
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 28, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
holy fuck.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on February 28, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
Rekt. What were they blocking the road for?
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on February 28, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 28, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
Rekt. What were they blocking the road for?

They are cops doing a road block.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CALL_911 on February 28, 2017, 06:47:49 PM
Fucking floor mats
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 28, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 28, 2017, 06:47:49 PM
Fucking floor mats

:lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 28, 2017, 09:41:13 PM
Shit this is what it landed on

(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2ihqc5x.jpg)

And yes there was someone inside
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 28, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Oh fuck. I'm guessing they didnt survive? :(
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on February 28, 2017, 11:48:20 PM
I think they did, but barely.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on March 01, 2017, 07:47:22 AM
Can you imagine?  Just sitting in your little teal Corolla.  Truck falls out of the sky on top of you.  Apparently the woman walked away unharmed?

Also, Saturday night.  Trying to park at a place to grab a bite to eat.  Went behind it, and parking lots weren't connected.  I would have had to make a left turn back into traffic, then pull a u-turn to get where I wanted.  Instead, I climbed over some big ass parking barriers  :lol: 
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 93JC on March 01, 2017, 08:23:03 AM
(http://s11.postimg.org/59tjgk30j/MALL_RATED.jpg)
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on March 01, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
I need that badge.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: giant_mtb on March 01, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
http://desertdogdecals.com/mall-rated-jeep-wrangler-decal-badge

Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 93JC on March 01, 2017, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: MrH on March 01, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
I need that badge.

I'm disappointed you don't already.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: 68_427 on March 01, 2017, 01:12:49 PM
I'm sure kevin could 3D print a badge that you could put on your truck.
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 13, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
You need this

http://www.roughcountry.com/poser-stand/



https://www.facebook.com/roughcountry/videos/1586680314684687/
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 13, 2017, 12:10:16 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 14, 2017, 06:17:57 AM
Outstanding!!!
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 14, 2017, 06:18:12 AM
Quote from: 93JC on March 01, 2017, 08:23:03 AM
(http://s11.postimg.org/59tjgk30j/MALL_RATED.jpg)

dooooooooooooooooo it
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: Rich on May 20, 2018, 04:58:39 AM
Did you haggle for 9 state emissions?

http://youtu.be/Jq5A5ctua8s
Title: Re: 4Runner
Post by: MrH on May 22, 2018, 10:44:22 AM
Ha, I watched that the other day.  Most of his criticism revolves around what's offered for $50k.  Fortunately, most 4Runners are no where near $50k, he just happened to drive a fully loaded TRD Pro.  Mine is the cheap knock off of a TRD Pro that I got for $36-$37k?  Something like that.

I just passed 50k miles.  It's holding it's value really well.  Can still get $28k-$29k private party.  I'm spending $240/month in gas or so if it's hovering around $3/gallon, but I'm making it all back in equity in the vehicle.