G37S
12+ Genesis 3.8
Older GS350 (just to see if it doesn't make me dry heave as much in person)
15+ 200S or C with the V6 (for posterity)
I was thinking about checking out a GTI but I wanna try something completely different. *Probably* going to keep it stock, aside from lowering for looks and better brake pads/rotors/fluid. I really want the G.... one finally popped up in the right trim with the right miles for the right price. Any other ideas
If we have the time I'd like to get wifey's RDX as well
Why not look at the Maxima, if you liked driving it?
Lawl, I wanna see your reaction to the 200.
Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 07:21:18 PM
Why not look at the Maxima, if you liked driving it?
Maximas are too confusing. :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 13, 2017, 08:34:00 PM
It's this in between wishy washy stuff that's so-so. What does the Maxima want to be? More time with it has made it more clear and I tone back my earlier statements. It probably would have worked best as a hatchback...
Good luck sporty! A G would be sliiiiiick.
Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 07:21:18 PM
Why not look at the Maxima, if you liked driving it?
Lawl, I wanna see your reaction to the 200.
The new ones are just too far out of my price range. I wanna keep it under 15-20K with a reasonable amount of miles. I really did like the Maxima though, especially the interior. Oddly enough, I think the 200 comes closest in that aspect... the rest are all relatively ancient :lol:
If you have time you're going to buy an RDX too?
Yea wifey's car is due for replacement as well. Or at least it will be when she gets tired of hopping out of my nice whatever back into the Rabbit. We are selling it to her stepfather, who ironically made fun of us for driving old cars when he was a car salesman :lol: Just going to do the brake pads on it and maybe have VW do some fluids... should be good to go another 4 years
Just buying another vehicle if you have time sounds like a really odd thing to say is all.
If I can free up some time this afternoon, I may buy a house while I'm at it :lol:
Get the G! Don't even waste your time looking at the rest.......
What's the deal with this G? Sedan, 6MT?
What about the G8?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Infiniti-G37-4dr-Sport-6MT-RWD-/142308241372?hash=item21223b6fdc:g:w0IAAOSwOgdYwvbU&vxp=mtr
Shame about the red, but that's sweet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Infiniti-G35-2dr-Coupe-Manual-/262890065442?hash=item3d35780e22:g:lMoAAOSwB-1Yw0uj&vxp=mtr
Looking at manual Infinitis on craigslist, this popped up. Man, they hit that one out of the park
Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
What about the G8?
I tried! He doesn't want a V8....
All this hemming and hawing and the G37 is the top pick?
Anyway, you might as well try the GTI and the pre-Predator GS350. I always liked the way those looked. Pretty fast too; probably not as sharp as the G, though. Might be more comfortable.
Also "I was thinking about checking out a GTI but I wanna try something completely different" does not jive with your want of a G. You already owned one.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 14, 2017, 09:49:11 PM
What's the deal with this G? Sedan, 6MT?
I would imagine sedan and automatic.
Nah the first gen looks so outdated now.
Quote from: 68_427 on March 15, 2017, 03:07:06 AM
Nah the first gen looks so outdated now.
First gen of what?
Quote from: Raza on March 15, 2017, 04:48:20 AM
First gen of what?
I was replying to Ro's post about the 1st gen G35 coupe, and didn't bother refreshing before posting, so I didn't see all the new posts.
Also what about Crosstour for Wifey. Surely it'll be just as nice as a comparably priced RDX
Or a EX35/7 or QX50. The interiors are delicious
(http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-738-415/public/2016_infiniti_qx50_29.jpg?itok=48hRbwh9)
I think out of those the G37 seems like the obvious choice.
That ebing said the guy who owns the shop where my dad works drives a Genesis with the 3.8. Its a nice comfortable car and I know he loves it.
Quote from: Raza on March 15, 2017, 01:09:54 AM
All this hemming and hawing and the G37 is the top pick?
Anyway, you might as well try the GTI and the pre-Predator GS350. I always liked the way those looked. Pretty fast too; probably not as sharp as the G, though. Might be more comfortable.
Also "I was thinking about checking out a GTI but I wanna try something completely different" does not jive with your want of a G. You already owned one.
Different from the Civic. I don't want another economy car, as nice as the GTI is.
Truthfully when I bought the Z I had a choice between it and a 1st gen 6mt G sedan.... I should have got the G.
And yea I'm going automatic this go round. With enough horsepower transmission doesn't matter to me on the street. I have the bike and SIM rig
Quote from: 68_427 on March 15, 2017, 05:43:26 AM
Also what about Crosstour for Wifey. Surely it'll be just as nice as a comparably priced RDX
Or a EX35/7 or QX50. The interiors are delicious
(http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-738-415/public/2016_infiniti_qx50_29.jpg?itok=48hRbwh9)
Crosstour is hideous bruv
I like the QX50 but the long one is too expensive. Probably gonna check out the new Sportage and if wifey is into leasing the new CR-V too. Maybe a QX70 (FX) while we are at Infiniti. That gas mileage is abysmal though. RDX with the V6 is just too good
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 15, 2017, 06:07:03 AM
I think out of those the G37 seems like the obvious choice.
That ebing said the guy who owns the shop where my dad works drives a Genesis with the 3.8. Its a nice comfortable car and I know he loves it.
Yea I want to at least drive it before writing it off. MrH is the only person I've heard complain... I don't think i'm as discerning. They are so cheap too.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2017, 06:34:55 AM
Yea I want to at least drive it before writing it off. MrH is the only person I've heard complain... I don't think i'm as discerning. They are so cheap too.
Give it a shot. Just be aware of what I said.
I will say, if you can swing a R-spec 5.0, the engine is awesome. That, and probably the interior are the best part. Stupid powerful and pretty decent gas mileage. Really smooth too.
Quote from: MrH on March 15, 2017, 07:30:36 AM
Give it a shot. Just be aware of what I said.
I will say, if you can swing a R-spec 5.0, the engine is awesome. That, and probably the interior are the best part. Stupid powerful and pretty decent gas mileage. Really smooth too.
There's actually one in my price range nearby. I might check it out. Just not sure if the extra performance is worth the cost. The +12 3.8 is supposedly a 13 second car, but it can do 30+ on the highway. Plus I am weird and prefer the sound of a 6 to an 8.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 15, 2017, 06:07:03 AM
I think out of those the G37 seems like the obvious choice.
By far. I drove one and loved it on track. Great car.
This is not going to be a track car :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 15, 2017, 06:23:07 PM
This is not going to be a track car :lol:
I know. The G37S isn't one. But I liked how it handled and behaved there. Your other options kinda suck.
Let's throw the ZDX in the mix for good measure. Why not
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 15, 2017, 06:29:52 PM
I know. The G37S isn't one. But I liked how it handled and behaved there. Your other options kinda suck.
What's wrong with the Genesis?
I feel like you'd like an RX350.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 15, 2017, 08:01:25 PM
I feel like you'd like an RX350.
He's getting the Hyundai. Let's just accept that now.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 15, 2017, 08:06:33 PM
He's getting the Hyundai. Let's just accept that now.
I hope it's the Chrysler tbh
Test drove a Genesis 3.8 at lunch. Not bad at all. The more I think about it though, the more interesting that R spec sounds. I'm going to try and drive that tonight. Either way I'm getting something tomorrow.
Only issue is that R spec has 80k miles and 3 owners :mask: :confused: I don't want to be the last guy in the gang bang. Plus I wanna get a few years out of that powertrain warranty. I will blow through 20k miles in one year
3 owners in that short a time should tell you something. Or maybe it's just happenstance.
MrH got rid of his right quick.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 17, 2017, 01:53:33 PM
3 owners in that short a time should tell you something. Or maybe it's just happenstance.
naw it's probably legitimate bad juju. Plus if the transmission is programmed the same it's kind of a waste. I have to go with my head on this one.
Does the R-spec have the same transmission? I woulda guessed it's different since it's a V8.
They all have the same 8AT and it looks like they're programmed the same. Also looks like the 5.0 doesn't make its money worth unless you ring it out. I don't need those problems. I'd just be happy with the R wheels to be honest. 3.8 it is
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 17, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
They all have the same 8AT and it looks like they're programmed the same. Also looks like the 5.0 doesn't make its money worth unless you ring it out. I don't need those problems. I'd just be happy with the R wheels to be honest. 3.8 it is
And you think the 3.8 won't need to be wrung out to make its money worth? I've driven a 3.8 Hyundai, that motor is down on low-end power compared to something like the Ford 3.7. Peak torque is way up at 5000+ RPM.
Quote from: MX793 on March 17, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
And you think the 3.8 won't need to be wrung out to make its money worth? I've driven a 3.8 Hyundai, that motor is down on low-end power compared to something like the Ford 3.7. Peak torque is way up at 5000+ RPM.
You're not gonna talk him into a V8! :banghead: :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on March 17, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
And you think the 3.8 won't need to be wrung out to make its money worth? I've driven a 3.8 Hyundai, that motor is down on low-end power compared to something like the Ford 3.7. Peak torque is way up at 5000+ RPM.
Money worth over the 3.8, yea. Admittedly the Maxima was way punchier, though I feel like that's due to aggressive throttle calibration. In any case I don't want to be the 4th owner of anything.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 17, 2017, 03:47:24 PM
Money worth over the 3.8, yea. Admittedly the Maxima was way punchier, though I feel like that's due to aggressive throttle calibration. In any case I don't want to be the 4th owner of anything.
You'll be making the same power as the V6 1000 RPM sooner with the 8.
The Koreans make a V8? Huh. New one on me. ;)
And I'll be making more power at 3500 RPM than my Civic does at peak. Everything's relative. Genesis power curve doesn't look too peaky:
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x466/MitEclipse/Genesis/scan0001.jpg)
Quote from: shp4man on March 17, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
The Koreans make a V8? Huh. New one on me. ;)
Hyundai makes the largest vehicular engines in the world, think they don't know how to make an automotive V8?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 17, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Hyundai makes the largest vehicular engines in the world, think they don't know how to make an automotive V8?
Technically, Hyundai Automotive is a completely separate company from the rest of the Hyundai Industrial Conglomerate.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 17, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
And I'll be making more power at 3500 RPM than my Civic does at peak. Everything's relative. Genesis power curve doesn't look too peaky:
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x466/MitEclipse/Genesis/scan0001.jpg)
Doesn't look as smooth as this:
(https://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/ximm/?quality=85&image=/hyundai/genesis/2012/fe/2012_hyundai_genesis_det_fe_1017122_600.jpg)
Quote from: MX793 on March 17, 2017, 04:27:16 PM
Technically, Hyundai Automotive is a completely separate company from the rest of the Hyundai Industrial Conglomerate.
Shush you. If Saabs were born from jets, Hyundais can be born from container ships.
Quote from: MX793 on March 17, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
Doesn't look as smooth as this:
(https://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/ximm/?quality=85&image=/hyundai/genesis/2012/fe/2012_hyundai_genesis_det_fe_1017122_600.jpg)
Why would it be.... the scaling is nearly 2x different
Both torque curves vary within a ~15% band with some dips and lumps. It's not that big of a deal, we're not talking BRZ torque dip here.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 17, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
Test drove a Genesis 3.8 at lunch. Not bad at all. The more I think about it though, the more interesting that R spec sounds. I'm going to try and drive that tonight. Either way I'm getting something tomorrow.
Only issue is that R spec has 80k miles and 3 owners :mask: :confused: I don't want to be the last guy in the gang bang. Plus I wanna get a few years out of that powertrain warranty. I will blow through 20k miles in one year
Hyundai warranties drop to 60K after it leaves the first owner.
For real? I just left a dealer who said it doesn't.
I saw another one. Def don't like the tech pack with the fake I drive. But I def prefer the beige interior to black (though the coco brown interior is gawd). The combo I want just doesn't seem to exist. Either way I'm getting a car tomorrow morning
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 17, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
For real? I just left a dealer who said it doesn't.
I saw another one. Def don't like the tech pack with the fake I drive. But I def prefer the beige interior to black (though the coco brown interior is gawd). The combo I want just doesn't seem to exist. Either way I'm getting a car tomorrow morning
Good luck. Post pictures.
After sleeping on it I am def gonna at least check out the G. I was frustrated because all the Ss seemed to carry a crazy premium, but I just found one that will work just about perfectly. A little more than I wanted to pay, but Gs hold value better than the Genesis anyway, and I'm *hoping* to be in this next car for at least the length of the loan :lol:
Thinking more about it, I don't think the Genesis is gonna work. Just running through some of my gripes with it:
- It's very reluctant to drive quickly. Stats say its as fast as the G (or even the Maxima I drove), but it feels nowhere near as eager as either. Transmission is an albatross which works well for driving slow and saving gas, but no sport mode and useless manual mode. Dynamically it's not bad though
- Option combos are frustrating. There's the base non-nav stereo which looks like something out of an Accent, the intermediate nav, and the "premium" nav. Premium nav is easy to find, but fake I-drive sucks. Intermediate has a much better touch screen. Seems like people only bought the intermediate with black interiors as well.
- I don't like any of the wheels on the 3.8s.
So honestly as nice as they are... and they are really nice, I think I'm whittling it down to the G and the Chrysler (for real). A base G will be much more fun to drive than the Genesis, and I actually just found an S that was mislisted as a Journey that fits all my criteria (though is a little high price wise). Two hunert has its issues but they are dirt cheap and have the best infotainment of any of the cars I'm looking at by a sizeable margin. I at least want to drive one and confirm that it sucks myself. It might be just fine. So I gotta drive a regular G, the S and the 200S V6 today if I can.
Get the G37S. One of the best driving cars in its class during the last decade IMO. Luxurious and comfortable too. A Z for grown ups.
I like the design of the Chrysler a lot, but that's about it.
Question: a late model (N55) E90 335i is more expensive?
You seem to be benchmarking the Maxima a lot...why not buy it?
What year Genesii have you been test driving? If I'm not mistaken, MrH's was a first gen, and 2013-onwards got the better suspension tuning. Or am I imagining that?
Seems like a 2013+ with the base engine might be the sweet spot on price+performance.
Quote from: Tave on March 18, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
What year Genesii have you been test driving? If I'm not mistaken, MrH's was a first gen, and 2013-onwards got the better suspension tuning. Or am I imagining that?
Seems like a 2013+ with the base engine might be the sweet spot on price+performance.
that's a lot more than he wants to pay.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 18, 2017, 09:58:24 AM
that's a lot more than he wants to pay.
KBB for this area is 17K on a '13 3.8, which is towards the upper end of his range but still below the 20K stated. Gotta think you can negotiate a decent price on them too.
Quote from: Tave on March 18, 2017, 10:13:07 AM
KBB for this area is 17K on a '13 3.8, which is towards the upper end of his range but still below the 20K stated. Gotta think you can negotiate a decent price on them too.
hmmmm
Quote from: Tave on March 18, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
What year Genesii have you been test driving? If I'm not mistaken, MrH's was a first gen, and 2013-onwards got the better suspension tuning. Or am I imagining that?
Seems like a 2013+ with the base engine might be the sweet spot on price+performance.
Geneses?
Quote from: Tave on March 18, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
What year Genesii have you been test driving? If I'm not mistaken, MrH's was a first gen, and 2013-onwards got the better suspension tuning. Or am I imagining that?
Seems like a 2013+ with the base engine might be the sweet spot on price+performance.
The 5.0R came with the 2012 refresh. I have only been looking at 2012s and newer. Their suspensions aren't bad... wifey actually really liked them.... but that damn transmission. Something that can't be fixed.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 18, 2017, 06:22:23 AM
Question: a late model (N55) E90 335i is more expensive?
No, I could get one for like $12K, but they are that cheap for good reason. Plus they are just a little too small. Ideally I would have got an E60 535i.... I really love the way that drove with the sport package. But the upkeep and that ancient I-Drive.... no thanks.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on March 18, 2017, 06:21:17 AM
Get the G37S. One of the best driving cars in its class during the last decade IMO. Luxurious and comfortable too. A Z for grown ups.
I like the design of the Chrysler a lot, but that's about it.
OK, FINE.
(http://i.imgur.com/7cLSsTY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ksYu1cz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cAvyc1Z.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5GyMXxS.jpg)
$20K, 40K miles, 2012. I overpaid, but that's the price of being OCD. There was another one.... 2010, 90K, $15K. Blegh. I want to keep this for the length of the loan (60 months).
Overall thoughts: This thing is a 4 door Z. Makes me regret not jumping on a 1st gen G 6MT sedan when I was shopping for the Z. Big fan of the 7AT as well. Every Nissan manual transmission I've owned was awful. This is a much better option IMO. With the column mounted ( :facepalm: ) shift paddles I can drop gears whenever I want, and it's pretty responsive. Steering feel and heft is identical to the Z, and suspension tuning even feels like the Z. Really familiar. But unlike the Z, road noise is bearable, and the infotainment is (relatively) modern. I do wonder if I should have saved some bread and got a regular G37, but it would be easier to make this thing ride more plush than get the Sport BBK and LSD into one of those. I was thinking about an intake + exhaust and some kind of drop, but I think I'm just gonna stick with the drop. Engine note is pretty nice. Bose stereo actually does OK though I still think I could do better and the infotainment system actually works really well input wise. Voice commands work really well too.
Vs the Genesis: Genesis has this licked on refinement and space. Wifey liked it way better. She said the G is like halfway between the Genesis and the Civic, which is probably apt. I probably would have got one too, but that fucking transmission. No reflashes available either and I'd be scared to void the warranty anyway. Holds the whole car back. Otherwise, honestly probably a better fit for what I wanted than the G.
Vs the Maxima: I would say the Maxima makes for a better daily driver. The CVT is responsive and sentient as fuck, and I prefer the infotainment system. This thing is much sharper dynamically, but I think it's beyond the point of diminishing returns in that regard, especially considering how aggressive stability control is. I would call them about even... I would have paid the same $$$ for a current body Maxima SV of the same age/mileage. But this is not far off.
Vs the Civic: OK obviously the Civic is 3rd world compared to this in terms of refinement and it literally has less than half the power. But dynamically the Civic kind of has this thing's goat. I'd say they ride about the same, at least in my neighborhood, but the Civic will carve an arc + rotate where this thing plows (around/through roundabouts at least). Better steering feel and just overall agility as well. At the moment I'm more used to using a manual to manage power through corners as well. I think the right coilovers will tip the win in favor of the G though. Strangely enough I'd call them even on brakes too; Civic with a fresh bleed and.... Stoptech pads?... actually bleeds speed respectably. Definitely going with some more aggressive pads for the G too but that's probably about it.
Overall a little bummed the Genesis didn't work out. With a better transmission I would have jumped. It's a nicer, more serene car, and it doesn't give up much in a straight line if you convince the transmission to kick down. Maybe when this thing is up for replacement I will check out the G70 or Stinger GT... hopefully they will have shit sorted by then. But I'm happy with this. It's a blast to drive and worlds away from the Civic in refinement.
:clap:
Nice
Fucking finally man. :clap:
Very nice, minus the 5 year loan on a 5 year old car.
Quote from: Lebowski on March 18, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Very nice, minus the 5 year loan on a 5 year old car.
Z was 11 years old w/plenty of life in it when I sold it. I ain't skrrt
Those 18s look nice. :rockon:
:ohyeah:
Looks good
No Camry? I am dissapoint
Nice. Hope you have fun with it.
Wooooohoooooooo!!!!!,
Very nice. Excellent choice sir. Great looking and great driving too. Welcome back to the fold. Unthusiast no more.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ugh I don't care about being an enthusiast. Self identifying ones tend to be dicks about it IME. I just wanted something I'd enjoy driving owning. Thanks though (seriously)
This is reply #8 from your thread:
Quote from: MX793 on September 04, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
Infiniti G, followed by the FoST.
Should have gotten a Camry on coilovers.
(Congratulations!)
Should have gotten an F150.
(congratulations!)
Disappointed in no Chrysler, but congrats nonetheless. :lol:
So did you ever drive the 200?
It looks great man, congratulations. I really like those.
Next step: model trains
Next steps:
This was at a real small dealer so it needs a little reconditioning. Off the bat I gotta:
- Get it aligned :confused:
- Investigate some vibration at speed
- Change the wiper blades
I also did a low frequency sweep test.... BLOSE system was audible down to the high teens :erjerbs: :neverforget:
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 18, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
So did you ever drive the 200?
It looks great man, congratulations. I really like those.
No, I freaked out and couldn't sleep when I found a G specced (almost- wish it had the gray interior) exactly how I wanted. Plus I'm impatient/impulsive AF. As soon as I saw the ad for this the two hunert was out the window. I might go see about one just for a funny thread if I ever have the time. I never see any in the rental lots.
Should have gotten a Plymouth Volare! :facepalm:
:devil: :devil: :devil:
Congrats!
Congratulations! I believe you earlier also had said in retrospect you wished you got an automatic transmission while you were in England.
Congrats man sweet ride!!!!
Got any trips planned for it in the near future? Take it up to the mountains and give it the beans!
Handling will likely improve substantially if you ditch the Wal-Mart bargain-bin Nexen N5000 tires.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 18, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
Ugh I don't care about being an enthusiast. Self identifying ones tend to be dicks about it IME. I just wanted something I'd enjoy driving owning. Thanks though (seriously)
Which is why my money was on the Genesis. But glad you didn't let your inner hipster keep you from making the right choice.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 19, 2017, 03:07:47 AM
Next steps:
This was at a real small dealer so it needs a little reconditioning. Off the bat I gotta:
- Get it aligned :confused:
- Investigate some vibration at speed
- Change the wiper blades
Oh man... More contributions to the G thread in the future where cars hold up about as well as icecream left outside in the sun in the middle of Texass
Quote from: MX793 on March 19, 2017, 07:13:16 AM
Handling will likely improve substantially if you ditch the Wal-Mart bargain-bin Nexen N5000 tires.
Yea DWS06s will be put on as soon as these are done. I may get new wheels too.
Just realized the Civic has a good bit less lb per tire than this up front (4lb/mm vs 4.4lb/mm). I don't know if I wanna go wider though, tires and gas are expensive.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 19, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
Yea DWS06s will be put on as soon as these are done. I may get new wheels too.
Just realized the Civic has a good bit less lb per tire than this up front (4lb/mm vs 4.4lb/mm). I don't know if I wanna go wider though, tires and gas are expensive.
Are you keeping the Civic?
I might consider a square setup instead of the factory 225/245 stagger, but 245 all around with a good tire is plenty for the street. IME, a front-heavy RWD on staggered tires tends to push more in off- and neutral-throttle cornering scenarios. Shouldn't ding your fuel economy much, either. I think I lost 5-6% going from 225 square low-rolling resistance "touring" tires to 255 square hi-po summers (with larger/wider wheels) on my last car. I went from 205 sport all seasons to 215 sport all seasons on my Mazda and I don't recall any hit in fuel economy.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 19, 2017, 08:56:27 AM
Are you keeping the Civic?
Hell no :nono: The chowderheads who did the swap missed a ground or something I think; radiator fans and A/C clutch aren't working at all and it's doing weird things with the coolant temperature. Once I get that sorted (under warranty) I'm gonna get it detailed and put it on the market.
Quote from: MX793 on March 19, 2017, 09:00:43 AM
I might consider a square setup instead of the factory 225/245 stagger, but 245 all around with a good tire is plenty for the street. IME, a front-heavy RWD on staggered tires tends to push more in off- and neutral-throttle cornering scenarios. Shouldn't ding your fuel economy much, either. I think I lost 5-6% going from 225 square low-rolling resistance "touring" tires to 255 square hi-po summers (with larger/wider wheels) on my last car. I went from 205 sport all seasons to 215 sport all seasons on my Mazda and I don't recall any hit in fuel economy.
If the stability control is similar to what was on the Z, running a square setup, at least with the same aspect ratios, will be problematic. This thing has the same size tires as the Z with ~500 more lbs. I may try 245/265s.
Two things I would like to fix sooner but will probably have to wait on... suspension is definitely more floaty boaty than I'm used to. I would love a setup with the feel of that E60 535i sport; that thing was perfect. Some coilovers with mild springs (prob 9k at all corners- ~30% stiffer than stock) would do it. Also after having the 50W clear lens projectors on the Civic these OEM fuzzy 35W projectors are weak sauce. But neither is really pressing, I can probably wait a year or so to fuck with that.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 19, 2017, 09:15:36 AM
If the stability control is similar to what was on the Z, running a square setup, at least with the same aspect ratios, will be problematic. This thing has the same size tires as the Z with ~500 more lbs. I may try 245/265s.
Stock tire size on the G37S was 225/50 front, 245/45 rear. These have the same overall OD (ok, the fronts are a whopping .6% bigger). A 245/45 square setup will be invisible to the stability control system. This is in contrast with the Z (or my car), which runs staggered widths on the same aspect ratio, so the tires have different ODs front to rear. It's not a huge difference (~3%) and I've heard of plenty of people, at least with PP equipped Mustangs (non-PP cars run square tires by default), switching to square setups without causing issues with the ESC. But I don't know how particular Nissan's ESC programming is since all Zs came with staggered tires.
And if your car is running 225/50 front and 245/50 rear right now and you are having wonky ESC responses, assuming Nissan's ESC programming truly is that finnicky, it's because whoever cheaped out on the Nexens also put the wrong size rear tire on the car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 19, 2017, 09:15:36 AM
Hell no :nono: The chowderheads who did the swap missed a ground or something I think; radiator fans and A/C clutch aren't working at all and it's doing weird things with the coolant temperature. Once I get that sorted (under warranty) I'm gonna get it detailed and put it on the market.
If the stability control is similar to what was on the Z, running a square setup, at least with the same aspect ratios, will be problematic. This thing has the same size tires as the Z with ~500 more lbs. I may try 245/265s.
Two things I would like to fix sooner but will probably have to wait on... suspension is definitely more floaty boaty than I'm used to. I would love a setup with the feel of that E60 535i sport; that thing was perfect. Some coilovers with mild springs (prob 9k at all corners- ~30% stiffer than stock) would do it. Also after having the 50W clear lens projectors on the Civic these OEM fuzzy 35W projectors are weak sauce. But neither is really pressing, I can probably wait a year or so to fuck with that.
lol you need my guy. He could do an R18 Civic in his sleep.
Quote from: MX793 on March 19, 2017, 09:36:30 AM
Stock tire size on the G37S was 225/50 front, 245/45 rear. These have the same overall OD (ok, the fronts are a whopping .6% bigger). A 245/45 square setup will be invisible to the stability control system. This is in contrast with the Z (or my car), which runs staggered widths on the same aspect ratio, so the tires have different ODs front to rear. It's not a huge difference (~3%) and I've heard of plenty of people, at least with PP equipped Mustangs (non-PP cars run square tires by default), switching to square setups without causing issues with the ESC. But I don't know how particular Nissan's ESC programming is since all Zs came with staggered tires.
And if your car is running 225/50 front and 245/50 rear right now and you are having wonky ESC responses, assuming Nissan's ESC programming truly is that finnicky, it's because whoever cheaped out on the Nexens also put the wrong size rear tire on the car.
Naw they got the right sizes, I just checked. I assumed they were staggered in radius since the Z was. If I can go all square I might go 255s if I change wheels. That would let me rotate tires too.
Nissan ESC was pretty finicky. I heard of people getting ESC lights running square setups on the Z. ESC system was pretty ham fisted too.
That's why new cars suck. So unfriendly to mods.
Cars start at such a high level now modding is mainly for taste anyway. Going to redline in this thing takes too much commitment for the street, even merging on the highway. I still want the suspension tighter though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 19, 2017, 01:43:41 PM
Cars start at such a high level now modding is mainly for taste anyway. Going to redline in this thing takes too much commitment for the street, even merging on the highway. I still want the suspension tighter though.
Nah. Show up to an autocross with a stock car and you'll get destroyed. New cars are certainly better than they used to be, but still very compromised.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 18, 2017, 03:32:52 PM
Z was 11 years old w/plenty of life in it when I sold it. I ain't
Well, I wasn't implying it will go up in smoke at age 10. Just seems like the path to a perpetual car payment.
Quote from: Lebowski on March 19, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
Well, I wasn't implying it will go up in smoke at age 10. Just seems like the path to a perpetual car payment.
I'm OK with that. In the end it's all depreciation, financing, and transaction costs anyway. Key is to get cars I can live with for a long time
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 19, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
I'm OK with that. In the end it's all depreciation, financing, and transaction costs anyway. Key is to get cars I can live with for a long time
That's a fair point.
Regardless, nice choice, enjoy it.
First commute. Jesus Christ. If this thing isn't as fast as the bike it's damn close. 20 mpg though :(
So nice to have a car with a good stereo and the road isolation to enjoy it. I was jamming today
20 is pretty good for the G lol
Hah... I get better mpg in the RX8
Quote from: r0tor on March 20, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Hah... I get better mpg in the RX8
With a stick tho
Quote from: r0tor on March 20, 2017, 02:35:01 PM
Hah... I get better mpg in the RX8
My Civic would walk it tho
Brakes are shot... crazy vibration. Ordered Centric blanks and Hawk HPSs. 355mm + 4 pistons up front, 350mm + 2 in the rear.... gonna be sick
Decided on the suspension too... going with trusty Koni Yellows and H&R Sports. Been looking into it and coilovers seem to have problems with clunking in the back, plus I have a sour taste in my mouth from those STs, which are by KW, which blew their rears in less than a year on smooth ass NC roads :facepalm: Stance is fucking meeeeeaaaan
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/ericson112/IMG_2183.jpg)
Nice. That suspension sounds good. I'd probably change fluids too.
I have some ~3 year old Motul 5.1 I never put in the Z sitting in a junk room.... I will do the right thing though.
brakes are probably just material deposits on the rotors from sitting on the lot. Many hard stops might cure it
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 20, 2017, 12:58:21 PM
If this thing isn't as fast as the bike it's damn close.
Settle down. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 20, 2017, 11:14:15 PM
Settle down. :lol:
:lol:
Maybe the bike is that slow? :devil:
That lowered G looks good, man. I really want to get a set of rears to square my dad's G and lower it a bit. Stock ride height is terrible on these cars.
Quote from: Rich on March 20, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
brakes are probably just material deposits on the rotors from sitting on the lot. Many hard stops might cure it
Vibration seems to be getting worse and worse. Centric blacks were cheap, rather just get it done and keep pushing. I have to do my wife's pads and the rears on the Civic so this is brake week at the sporty household.
I'll probably need brakes in a few months. I'll bring mine by this weekend too :thumbsup:
These tires are awful :cry:
BFG Sport Comp 2. Better than DWS.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 21, 2017, 09:58:20 AM
BFG Sport Comp 2. Better than DWS.
Great grip wet or dry, but they are LOUD above 30 mph.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on March 21, 2017, 10:31:47 AM
Great grip wet or dry, but they are LOUD above 30 mph.
Are they? I can't tell on my car. :lol: (also I have the A/S version)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 21, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
Are they? I can't tell on my car. :lol: (also I have the A/S version)
Haha I don't have a big V8 to drown it out, I have the summer version and I can't wait for them to wear out so I can get something quieter.
(https://s8.postimg.org/o6lklgz5h/IMG_20141108_101145354.jpg)
Michelin Pilot Sports all the way
Quote from: Rich on March 21, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
Michelin Pilot Sports all the way
Or the new Continental ExtremeContact Sports, which reviews indicate are a match to the MPSS but significantly less money.
Quote from: MX793 on March 21, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
Or the new Continental ExtremeContact Sports, which reviews indicate are a match to the MPSS but significantly less money.
Interesting. I was considering getting the Pilot Sports after my the Continentals on my Golf are worn out. I have never been fond of continental tires I have had in the past (GTI had them). If Michelins were too expensive I was going to go with Pirelli P-Zeroes.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 21, 2017, 12:46:01 PM
Interesting. I was considering getting the Pilot Sports after my the Continentals on my Golf are worn out. I have never been fond of continental tires I have had in the past (GTI had them). If Michelins were too expensive I was going to go with Pirelli P-Zeroes.
PZeros aren't worth the money. They are rated just about the worst in their segment in every comparison I've ever seen. Tire Rack's comparo put them no better than mid pack in any category and, while cheaper than PSS, they are still among the more expensive options. Tread life is also near the bottom of the segment.
The PS4 is going to be replacing the PSS this year. Might be able to get a deal on the PSS. The ExtremeContact Sport has been getting good early reviews, but I haven't seen a head to head with the PSS. The tread pattern looks like a near copy of the PSS, though.
I need all seasons
I like the PR4s on my bike for whatever that's worth
Quote from: MX793 on March 21, 2017, 01:13:51 PM
PZeros aren't worth the money. They are rated just about the worst in their segment in every comparison I've ever seen. Tire Rack's comparo put them no better than mid pack in any category and, while cheaper than PSS, they are still among the more expensive options. Tread life is also near the bottom of the segment.
The PS4 is going to be replacing the PSS this year. Might be able to get a deal on the PSS. The ExtremeContact Sport has been getting good early reviews, but I haven't seen a head to head with the PSS. The tread pattern looks like a near copy of the PSS, though.
I have always liked the PZeroes. Granted I am not tracking them, just looking for a sufficiently sticky tire that also rides reasonably well. I'll have to check which tires I have when I get home. My current summer tires are Continental but I don't think they are the ones you mentioned.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 21, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
I need all seasons
I like the PR4s on my bike for whatever that's worth
Just out of curiosity, why the need for all seasons...? I would assume your weather is more mild than mine. I would think worst case you would use summers ~March-November and then run all seasons Dec-Feb.
FWIW I am planning to put my summer wheels/tires on this weekend.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 21, 2017, 02:13:59 PM
I have always liked the PZeroes. Granted I am not tracking them, just looking for a sufficiently sticky tire that also rides reasonably well. I'll have to check which tires I have when I get home. My current summer tires are Continental but I don't think they are the ones you mentioned.
The EC Sports just came out late last year. You probably have the predecessor (DW, I think), which reviews say are average. They have kind of a blocky tread, so I expect the are a little squirmy feeling with softer response than a PSS or PZero. They are supposed to be really good in the rain, though.
Taken in a vacuum, the PZero isn't a bad tire. I was generally satisfied with the grip, though I thought wet grip was a little lacking. Taking into consideration the fairly high price and poor treadwear, I have no intention of replacing mine with another set. If they were cheaper or lasted longer, maybe, but they are second to the Michelins in price, have nearly the worst treadwear in the segment, and are merely average in grip.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 21, 2017, 02:15:32 PM
Just out of curiosity, why the need for all seasons...? I would assume your weather is more mild than mine. I would think worst case you would use summers ~March-November and then run all seasons Dec-Feb.
FWIW I am planning to put my summer wheels/tires on this weekend.
I only wanna run 1 set of wheels... I'd either sell the current ones for 19s or keep the current ones with spacers
Plus I dont wanna give up space in my house/garage for a set of street tires.
I don't think I've ever seen a set of koni yellows go more to a few years before they leak
Quote from: MX793 on March 21, 2017, 02:49:49 PM
The EC Sports just came out late last year. You probably have the predecessor (DW, I think), which reviews say are average. They have kind of a blocky tread, so I expect the are a little squirmy feeling with softer response than a PSS or PZero. They are supposed to be really good in the rain, though.
I checked, they are Contisportcontacts, same as what I had on my GTI IIRC. I'll have to check out the Extremecontact Sports. If they are generally considered very good while being cheaper than PSS I wouldn't mind saving some money.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 21, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
I checked, they are Contisportcontacts, same as what I had on my GTI IIRC. I'll have to check out the Extremecontact Sports. If they are generally considered very good while being cheaper than PSS I wouldn't mind saving some money.
Oh, yeah, the Contisportcontacts are rated pretty poorly. I think TireRack has them down about on par with, or slightly worse than, the P Zero. The ExtremeContact DWs have been around a while and have pretty favorable reviews. Generally fell a little short of the PSS save in wet performance and hydroplane resistance. I did see a review comparing the new ExtremeContact Sport with the old ExtremeContact DW and they said that the new Sport tire is better with sharper responses. Also holds up better to hard driving on a track, which would quickly chew up a DW's blocky outside shoulder tread.
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/4456/TESTED-Continental-Tire-ExtremeContact-Sport.aspx (http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/4456/TESTED-Continental-Tire-ExtremeContact-Sport.aspx)
At least for my sizes, I think they're about $40 a tire less than the PSS (so that's ~20%).
Quote from: r0tor on March 21, 2017, 05:27:44 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a set of koni yellows go more to a few years before they leak
A few years would be better than the few months my coilovers gave me. Plus I think Koni has a lifetime warranty. You've been hating this whole thread... You triggered mate?
I have the DWS06s on my Civic. Highly recommend them. The car handles like it's on rails, gives great feedback and is pretty good in the snow and rain. SJ doesn't track his cars so they should be fine. Honestly would probably make a set of summer wheels redundant
Sporty: I love having a quiet, comfortable car to drive to work in.
Sporty, 10 seconds later: I want to lower it.
Sporty in a week: Coilovers.
Sporty in 6 months: This car is too harsh.
Sporty in a year: Guys, I bought another Accord.
:lol:
Quote from: MX793 on March 21, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
Or the new Continental ExtremeContact Sports, which reviews indicate are a match to the MPSS but significantly less money.
Pilot Sports are so overpriced, that's not hard to believe.
Quote from: Raza on March 21, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Sporty: I love having a quiet, comfortable car to drive to work in.
Sporty, 10 seconds later: I want to lower it.
Sporty in a week: Coilovers.
Sporty in 6 months: This car is too harsh.
Sporty in a year: Guys, I bought another Accord.
:lol:
:clap:
Quote from: Raza on March 21, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
Sporty: I love having a quiet, comfortable car to drive to work in.
Sporty, 10 seconds later: I want to lower it.
Sporty in a week: Coilovers.
Sporty in 6 months: This car is too harsh.
Sporty in a year: Guys, I bought another Accord.
:lol:
:lol:
Harshness wasn't the problem with the Civic.... asthmatic performance in the summer and a near complete lack of refinement were. Coilovers don't increase wind noise or the like. My Maxima on coils was dead quiet even on shitty NYC streets.
Plus I'm getting springs and shocks, not coilovers
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 21, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
I have the DWS06s on my Civic. Highly recommend them. The car handles like it's on rails, gives great feedback and is pretty good in the snow and rain. SJ doesn't track his cars so they should be fine. Honestly would probably make a set of summer wheels redundant
I loved my DWS/DWS06s until I got the Sport Comp 2 all seasons. The stiffer sidewall improved responsiveness without killing ride quality. The only downside is potentially (slightly) worse snow performance, but I haven't had any problems in bad weather.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 20, 2017, 12:58:21 PM
First commute. Jesus Christ. If this thing isn't as fast as the bike it's damn close.
wat
Every Continental tire I have ever seen or owner has a huge stack of weights on the wheels... I think their quality is fairly suspect
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 22, 2017, 04:20:46 AM
Plus I'm getting springs and shocks, not coilovers
:facepalm:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 21, 2017, 09:18:21 PM
A few years would be better than the few months my coilovers gave me. Plus I think Koni has a lifetime warranty. You've been hating this whole thread... You triggered mate?
Thought I was providing useful info.... I can easily stop
Quote from: r0tor on March 22, 2017, 02:36:08 PM
Every Continental tire I have ever seen or owner has a huge stack of weights on the wheels... I think their quality is fairly suspect
This is true in my experience as well. Was very impressed by my Bridgestones. Not one weight was needed on the entire car.
Quote from: r0tor on March 22, 2017, 02:36:08 PM
Every Continental tire I have ever seen or owner has a huge stack of weights on the wheels... I think their quality is fairly suspect
Civic wheels are balanced up to 110 mph... Your input is no longer required
Quote from: 68_427 on March 22, 2017, 02:42:33 PM
This is true in my experience as well. Was very impressed by my Bridgestones. Not one weight was needed on the entire car.
Same when I had Bridgestones and also my current Michelins on my car and Jeep.
There was a huge stack on my Mazda when I had the DW's, huge weight on the wife's OEM contis on the Focus, and similar situation with 2 others I know of that had DWS's.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 22, 2017, 03:37:19 PM
Civic wheels are balanced up to 110 mph... Your input is no longer required
Ok, I'll just add useless facts from now on like my Jeep gets better gas mileage then your car
Quote from: r0tor on March 22, 2017, 05:59:56 PM
Ok, I'll just add useless facts from now on like my Jeep gets better gas mileage then your car
What is your problem man.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 22, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
What is your problem man.
Oh, it gets better gas mileage while drinking 87 octane... Could probably cut your fuel bill by 25% by switching to a 4x4'ing SUV
Quote from: r0tor on March 22, 2017, 06:26:56 PM
Oh, it gets better gas mileage while drinking 87 octane... Could probably cut your fuel bill by 25% by switching to a 4x4'ing SUV
If I wanted good gas mileage the last thing I would have bought is a VQ equipped car :facepalm:
Go home, you're drunk, and it's pathetic.
:popcorn:
T-minus-12 months to the "I'm selling the G because it has a leaking shock, gets shitty gas mileage, and I can't use it's performance" thread
:popcorn:
Jesus Christ, I literally shudder to think what it's like to be such a miserable person. How many beers are you in?
At least my Mazda is designed to burn oil :popcorn:
http://www.infinitig37.com/TSB/1SY30.pdf
Z didn't burn oil at 190K miles :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 22, 2017, 07:19:17 PM
Jesus Christ, I literally shudder to think what it's like to be such a miserable person. How many beers are you in?
The right beer only takes a couple man.
Looking at tires... Jesus Christ.... how in the fuck do those Chinese brands manage to sell tires at half price? Scary to think what people are riding on out there. I don't know what to do for wheels. I am digging on the 19" IPLs:
(http://carphotos2.cardomain.com/images/0015/28/70/15958207_large.jpg)
but I also like these Lexus F-Sport special editions:
(http://au.fitfathers.com/wp-content/uploads/images/stories/2010%20lexus%20is%20350c%20f.jpg)
I definitely prefer something that looks OEM with a little complexity in its design. Gotta be dark gray/gunmetal as well.
Once I get the time I'm gonna go get the paint taken care of.... PO clearly loved cheap shitty drive through car washes. Just needs a buff I think/hope, lot of scratches.
Pads are here, rotors come Tuesday. Good thing too because the back pads are hitting the wear indicators. Just got Centric blanks and Hawk HPSs... not far off from the Civic, which has surprisingly awesome brake feel and zero fade on the street.
Really any of the optional G/Z wheels look good
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2150lue.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/brainndropp/20140303_173513_zpsrc7bllsq.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t491/roland958/IMG_00000091-1.jpg)
(http://g35driver.com/forums/attachments/media-share-v36-sedan/151685d1338068198-pic-request-19-rays-2007-08-g-sedan-img_0349.jpg)
'07 GT-R front wheels?
Quote from: 68_427 on March 27, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
(http://g35driver.com/forums/attachments/media-share-v36-sedan/151685d1338068198-pic-request-19-rays-2007-08-g-sedan-img_0349.jpg)
:ohyeah:
Quote from: 68_427 on March 27, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
Really any of the optional G/Z wheels look good
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/brainndropp/20140303_173513_zpsrc7bllsq.jpg)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t491/roland958/IMG_00000091-1.jpg)
'07 GT-R front wheels?
Those two look like garbage.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on March 27, 2017, 12:14:45 PM
Those two look like garbage.
Wheels aren't necessarily bad IMHO, but they do not suit the car (also IMHO).
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 27, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
Wheels aren't necessarily bad IMHO, but they do not suit the car (also IMHO).
Agree, other ones are nice though.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 27, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
Wheels aren't necessarily bad IMHO, but they do not suit the car (also IMHO).
That's fair. I could see them looking okay on a Civic Si (in a smaller size).
Quote from: BimmerM3 on March 27, 2017, 12:14:45 PM
Those two look like garbage.
Agreed, and they look great on the Z
I really like the second set of Z wheels.
The Z wheels don't quite jive with the G's more rounded, voluptuous shape. Too angular.
Yea I'm not feeling any of those. Can't explain why, though part of it is that they are criminally overdone. I kind of want a more elaborate design. Not a sedan but:
(http://www.myg37.com/forums/attachments/g37-coupe/91379d1333423003-new-2012-ipl-g37-coupe-graphite-shadow-image.jpg)
These just flow right. Something with a twisting or overlapping mesh that looks modern would be ideal
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 27, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
Yea I'm not feeling any of those. Can't explain why, though part of it is that they are criminally overdone. I kind of want a more elaborate design. Not a sedan but:
(http://www.myg37.com/forums/attachments/g37-coupe/91379d1333423003-new-2012-ipl-g37-coupe-graphite-shadow-image.jpg)
These just flow right. Something with a twisting or overlapping mesh that looks modern would be ideal
Those look good. I also like the GT-R wheels. Gs really need 7+ spokes.
I'm intently watching this thread to see what Sporty gets so I can get some wheels for my dad's car and ruin his ride. :lol:
Seriously though, sometimes I low key look at G builds just to see what I can do to his car once he wants something else (though I feel like this is his car-for-life. He likes it that much.).
It's still very early but I'm not sure what I would replace this with. Maybe the current Genesis if they got the transmission sorted, or the GS350 F. They got a lot about it right
PO is a dick.... Rear brake indicators kept getting louder and louder. Changed rear pads and rotors last night so wifey could have a ride if she needed it
Anyways check out what I found... Black pad on the right is a new front for reference
(http://i.imgur.com/siPyKHJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9Yo8SVg.jpg)
Unbelievable
That's how bad one of mine was when I changed it since it had a frozen piston. I felt so bad. haha
Did the PO say the brakes were done, or were you just not planning to do rotors as well as pads?
I bought it from a dealer, so I have no interaction with the actual PO. They are just a dick for letting things go this far. Maybe they faced some kind of financial calamity or something, who knows. Anyways, really bad. I planned to do pads and rotors because the brakes were shot from the get go, and I figured the old rotors were not worth messing with new pads on if they were partially glazed. Just one less thing to worry about.
Why didn't the dealer fix it/have it fixed?
🤔
Quote from: Rich on March 30, 2017, 09:07:27 AM
Why didn't the dealer fix it/have it fixed?
🤔
Dealer is going to put the least money possible into fixing up trade ins or used vehicles. When I brought my VW in for inspection last year, I was told that the brake pads were almost to the metal and should be replaced soon. I had put less than 5K miles on it since I bought it from a dealer, so the pads were marginal when I bought it.
Also possible that, if the pad that was to the metal was the inside pad, they only looked at the outer pad to check for pad material, which is a poor gauge when dealing with floating calipers.
Use the Force (aka the Mercedes-Benz & Nissan-Renault alliance). :ohyeah:
(https://s7.postimg.org/g5e3wsbkb/Untitled-1.jpg)
(https://s8.postimg.org/wx5tbbkhh/Untitled-2.jpg)
(https://s30.postimg.org/jng4xf401/Untitled-3.jpg)
Nice chops!
Gonna finish the front brakes this weekend. Gotta find a place to bed them in though.............
You don't have a bed?
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 31, 2017, 06:23:33 PM
You don't have a bed?
Maybe wifey would get jealous that he's sleeping with his brakes in their bed.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 31, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
Nice chops!
Thanks!
I think this wheel style looks pretty neat on the Infiniti. Just make sure to change the logo! :lol:
(https://s8.postimg.org/wx5tbbkhh/Untitled-2.jpg)
Did the front brakes on the G and bedded them in. Sucks how one mod exposes the need for others.... the tires are truly awful and the suspension is just too soft. The brakes are awesome though. Great feel and next to no fade after 7 stops down from 60-70. ABS is pretty ugly in this thing though. Cannot wait to get better tires though OMG
Can you buy some Fortune Auto coilovers for it already.
No coilovers, they all clunk
I need better tires first. 255 square
A good set of conventional springs are better than cheap coilovers IMO. Plus some Bilstein shocks.
Even the good coilovers clunk. I don't know what's going on. Koni has never steered me wrong though... they will button it down. Gonna give it time though. Main priority right now is the tires and even with that I have to wait until they wear. Its almost like the Civic all over again
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 18, 2017, 01:55:14 PM
OK, FINE.
(http://i.imgur.com/7cLSsTY.jpg)
LOL Saw your new sig pic and had to go find this thread, not sure how I missed it. Congrats! Looks like it has all the goodies I fantasize about, minus the A/T but that's becoming inevitable.
Thanks man. Nissan MTs are awful, so I know from experience I'm not missing anything. And it's nice for wifey to be able to drive it. She likes it
Congrats, G35/37s are taking over this forum
Don't they say that the Hotchkis sway bar kit is like the best mod of all time for G37?
I was going to get a set for the G37x because the X rear sway bear is the thickness of dental floss and makes the rear end flop all over the place.
But I hear the Hotchkis sway bar set is a great upgrade even for the RWD G37s (all RWD G37s use the same sway bars regardless of S or non S)
I will see about a RSB after I do the springs/shocks. The one on the Civic was about as thick as macaroni, but after the coilovers I was like "meh would be nice". I'd rather put that money into shit like spherical tie rods and maybe some harder bushings.
This thing wants to kick the tail out so bad. Thank God for stability control. Def gonna look into mods that make it more neutral
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 08, 2017, 11:39:46 AM
This thing wants to kick the tail out so bad. Thank God for stability control. Def gonna look into mods that make it more neutral
Mod #1: driver training. Kick the tail so bad, really?
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 08, 2017, 12:17:02 PM
Mod #1: driver training. Kick the tail so bad, really?
https://www.scca.com/events?categories=solo%2Cprosolo%2Csolo%2Csolo%2Cautocross-5 (https://www.scca.com/events?categories=solo%2Cprosolo%2Csolo%2Csolo%2Cautocross-5)
It's nuts how much better looking these are (especially in S trim) than the Q50
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 08, 2017, 11:39:46 AM
This thing wants to kick the tail out so bad. Thank God for stability control. Def gonna look into mods that make it more neutral
Are you sure it's not just the tires? A family sedan tuned from factory for oversteer sounds really unlikely.
Quote from: Raza on April 08, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
Are you sure it's not just the tires? A family sedan tuned from factory for oversteer sounds really unlikely.
Even with crappy tires, a car that's tuned for understeer will tend towards understeer. It will just do so at a lower limit. Unless you do something to un-balance it like putting sticky tires up front and crappy ones in the back, but then you've adjusted the fundamental handling balance and tuning.
Even a car that's tuned to tend towards understeer will oversteer if you drive in a ham-fisted fashion. Things like hammering the throttle wide-open too soon while exiting a turn. The sort of stuff you can do with impunity in a <150 hp FWD car and not really be punished for because it will either not have enough power to overwhelm the drive tires, just spin the inside tire and still go the direction you want to go, or just push into some understeer.
Quote from: MX793 on April 09, 2017, 06:07:25 AM
Even with crappy tires, a car that's tuned for understeer will tend towards understeer. It will just do so at a lower limit. Unless you do something to un-balance it like putting sticky tires up front and crappy ones in the back, but then you've adjusted the fundamental handling balance and tuning.
Even a car that's tuned to tend towards understeer will oversteer if you drive in a ham-fisted fashion. Things like hammering the throttle wide-open too soon while exiting a turn. The sort of stuff you can do with impunity in a <150 hp FWD car and not really be punished for because it will either not have enough power to overwhelm the drive tires, just spin the inside tire and still go the direction you want to go, or just push into some understeer.
I figured it would have more worn tires at the back than at the front, being RWD. That's how mine always went.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 08, 2017, 12:17:02 PM
Mod #1: driver training. Kick the tail so bad, really?
I don't drive this any harder than any other car I've owned (including the RWD Z) and none of them were like this. Gs are known for lift off oversteer.... I've driven some, even the Xs, that have the same issue. And I do driver training daily.[/img] I'm gonna chill with these cheap tires but we will see if it gets better with better ones (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/meet-the-gran-turismo-player-now-driving-race-cars-for-real/1100-6419397/)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 09, 2017, 07:29:12 AM
I don't drive this any harder than any other car I've owned (including the RWD Z) and none of them were like this. Gs are known for lift off oversteer.... I've driven some, even the Xs, that have the same issue. And I do driver training daily.[/img] I'm gonna chill with these cheap tires but we will see if it gets better with better ones
(https://www.gamespot.com/articles/meet-the-gran-turismo-player-now-driving-race-cars-for-real/1100-6419397/)
I've never experienced lift off oversteer on the street, only power-on oversteer that is provoked by my right foot - mostly intentional. Is the weather really bad over there? I'd imagine you'd have to be driving much too fast or aggressively to do lift off oversteer on the street.
Naw this was in the dry. Just taking a left turn with some zest, but again no differently than I've done in any of my other cars
In my experience, you need to be pushing pretty hard to initiate lift oversteer on dry pavement, even with so-so tires. Harder than you should ever drive on public roads.
I wandered around the Infiniti showroom last week, while my G was being serviced. With the possible exception of the Q60 Red Sport, everything left me cold.
A Honda showroom is more interesting.
Quote from: MX793 on April 09, 2017, 09:15:04 AM
In my experience, you need to be pushing pretty hard to initiate lift oversteer on dry pavement, even with so-so tires. Harder than you should ever drive on public roads.
+1. Frankly, it's very hard to get into lift oversteer even at the track unless you purposely upset the car with mid corner or trail braking. A part of me thinks what Sporty is getting is power oversteer which is more believable to me. His car's balance ain't that different to mine.
Yeah to get lift throttle oversteer where the car is actually yawing (😂), you've got to have the foot fairly planted on the gas and the car at the limit, and come completely off the throttle. Which is a pretty ham fisted move
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 09, 2017, 10:57:07 AM
+1. Frankly, it's very hard to get into lift oversteer even at the track unless you purposely upset the car with mid corner or trail braking. A part of me thinks what Sporty is getting is power oversteer which is more believable to me. His car's balance ain't that different to mine.
LTO in a RWD car, even a slightly front-heavy one, with staggered width tires is fairly difficult to initiate. Especially with an automatic, since they don't tend to engine brake as strongly. You need to be driving really aggressively. You may need to add a little jab of the brake to upset the chassis enough to get it to really rotate. Longer wheelbase makes it that much harder. Something small like a Miata is a little easier to coax some LTO out of. I actually have an easier time coaxing off-throttle oversteer out of FWD cars than RWD.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 09, 2017, 07:29:12 AM
I don't drive this any harder than any other car I've owned (including the RWD Z) and none of them were like this. Gs are known for lift off oversteer.... I've driven some, even the Xs, that have the same issue. And I do driver training daily.[/img] I'm gonna chill with these cheap tires but we will see if it gets better with better ones
(https://www.gamespot.com/articles/meet-the-gran-turismo-player-now-driving-race-cars-for-real/1100-6419397/)
Yeah, but you play Forza.
If you're getting oversteer or need to thank god for ESC on dry, public pavement, slow the fuck down, dude. Save that for the AutoX, I mean, video games.
Quote from: Morris Minor on April 09, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
I wandered around the Infiniti showroom last week, while my G was being serviced. With the possible exception of the Q60 Red Sport, everything left me cold.
A Honda showroom is more interesting.
Not a fan of anything they make currently (infiniti) But no, stock car shouldn't be kicking it's rear out. He either has improperly inflated tires, a blow shock ans/or he's driving like an ass.
Is it out of alignment?
I don't think tire stagger matters. If the car has too much weight or power for the rear tires, which I'd say is doubly true here, shit happens. The auto makes the connection from my foot to the tires very vague. In any case it was a one time thing, aside from jackrabbit starts I'm a lot calmer in this thing than the Civic.
Quote from: MX793 on April 09, 2017, 09:15:04 AM
In my experience, you need to be pushing pretty hard to initiate lift oversteer on dry pavement, even with so-so tires. Harder than you should ever drive on public roads.
I've done it. :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on April 09, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
LTO in a RWD car, even a slightly front-heavy one, with staggered width tires is fairly difficult to initiate. Especially with an automatic, since they don't tend to engine brake as strongly. You need to be driving really aggressively. You may need to add a little jab of the brake to upset the chassis enough to get it to really rotate. Longer wheelbase makes it that much harder. Something small like a Miata is a little easier to coax some LTO out of. I actually have an easier time coaxing off-throttle oversteer out of FWD cars than RWD.
Yeah. FWD cars do it easier because of all that weight in the front. That's how I crashed when I was 17 driving my dad's Dodge Shadow Turbo.
Quote from: Rich on April 09, 2017, 11:47:46 AM
Is it out of alignment?
That could be. A few years back I spun on track in my E46 and I hit a curb. Didn't see any obvious damage but the alignment was shot because of a bent arm. I had positive camber on my right rear. Next time I went out the car oversteered on every left turn. Sorta like Sporty says his G is behaving.
Quote from: Raza on April 09, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
I've done it. :lol:
Of course. But Sporty seems to be a nice responsible person.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 09, 2017, 04:13:23 PM
Of course. But Sporty seems to be a nice responsible person.
Except for driving Civic hard and driving G37 hard.... :mrcool:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 09, 2017, 04:13:23 PM
Of course. But Sporty seems to be a nice responsible person.
Idk sporty blew up his Civic by overevving the engine
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2017, 06:56:03 AM
Idk sporty blew up his Civic by overevving the engine
If he wants to hot-rod, he needs to get some good ol' American muscle. Those little buzz-buckets just can't take it. :huh:
Like the Z, I rarely take this thing to redline. Knock on wood I think this engine is safe. No need, it takes off from stops like my bike.
I redlined my G37 all the time. Great noises to be had near redline.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 10, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
Like the Z, I rarely take this thing to redline. Knock on wood I think this engine is safe. No need, it takes off from stops like my bike.
So, no redline, but power-off oversteer. Post a video please.
Quote from: Laconian on April 10, 2017, 04:45:09 PM
I redlined my G37 all the time. Great noises to be had near redline.
I do too from time to time, just nowhere near as much as the Civic since I don't *have* to.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 10, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
So, no redline, but power-off oversteer. Post a video please.
Corner speed does not require going to redline, just a turn of the steering wheel ;)
You know what....yeah, you should have bought a Camry and coilovers.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 10, 2017, 06:59:31 AM
If he wants to hot-rod, he needs to get some good ol' American muscle. Those little buzz-buckets just can't take it. :huh:
:cheers:
Quote from: MrH on April 10, 2017, 06:06:41 PM
You know what....yeah, you should have bought a Camry and coilovers.
:lol:
Belated congrats. I wonder why you even bothered considering such things as a Chrysler 200. Oh well, enjoy the car!
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 17, 2017, 07:00:38 PM
Belated congrats. I wonder why you even bothered considering such things as a Chrysler 200. Oh well, enjoy the car!
:nutty: Nutty as squirrel shit..... :lol:
I see my advice was finally heeded.
And lol at r0tor's meltdown. There is no material criticism of the (4th gen) G - it really is that good; including reliability.
I just got new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ (the "+" is critical - completely different tire than the previous version). I've never been much of a tire snob but there is something revolutionary about these.
I had thoughts of replacing the G, but these tires, along with a few other updates (mega detail, painted wheels, plus of course the fact that most all new cars are pretty sucky), and I'll be keeping the G for a while longer. 117k miles and going strong!
Tires really do make a difference. Get the tires for the type of driving that you like to do, and you'll never regret it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 10, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
Like the Z, I rarely take this thing to redline. Knock on wood I think this engine is safe. No need, it takes off from stops like my bike.
Your bike might do 0-60 in the high 3's depending on the year of the bike, which should be more than a full second faster than the G...I think you might need to work on launching your bike a little faster
Quote from: SVT_Power on April 18, 2017, 06:32:07 AM
Your bike might do 0-60 in the high 3's depending on the year of the bike, which should be more than a full second faster than the G...I think you might need to work on launching your bike a little faster
I haven't done any formal testing. My metric of measurement right now is "how easily do I get away from traffic", which both are about equal at. I almost always short shift the bike as well, so it probably is close IRL.
Quote from: GoCougs on April 17, 2017, 11:55:49 PM
I see my advice was finally heeded.
And lol at r0tor's meltdown. There is no material criticism of the (4th gen) G - it really is that good; including reliability.
I just got new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ (the "+" is critical - completely different tire than the previous version). I've never been much of a tire snob but there is something revolutionary about these.
I had thoughts of replacing the G, but these tires, along with a few other updates (mega detail, painted wheels, plus of course the fact that most all new cars are pretty sucky), and I'll be keeping the G for a while longer. 117k miles and going strong!
If you didn't need AWD I would really recommend the Genesis. I have no qualms about keeping the G long term though.... Z was the most reliable car I ever had and I sold it with >190K on it.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 18, 2017, 12:36:14 AM
Tires really do make a difference. Get the tires for the type of driving that you like to do, and you'll never regret it.
Yea agreed. I really love the DWS06s... hoping with 255 width all around (on 19s) and coilovers they will handle how I like. Almost too many choices in coilovers though.... things have opened up in the short ~2 years since I sold the Z
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 18, 2017, 09:17:16 AM
If you didn't need AWD I would really recommend the Genesis. I have no qualms about keeping the G long term though.... Z was the most reliable car I ever had and I sold it with >190K on it.
Yea agreed. I really love the DWS06s... hoping with 255 width all around (on 19s) and coilovers they will handle how I like. Almost too many choices in coilovers though.... things have opened up in the short ~2 years since I sold the Z
Didn't you have the Z for a few months?
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 18, 2017, 10:24:25 AM
Didn't you have the Z for a few months?
No like 2 years. I got it when my wife got a job in August and I sold it around March the 2nd year after. I put 30K on it
Anyone want to hear Odyssey red line stories? :lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on April 17, 2017, 11:55:49 PM
I see my advice was finally heeded.
And lol at r0tor's meltdown. There is no material criticism of the (4th gen) G - it really is that good; including reliability.
I just got new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ (the "+" is critical - completely different tire than the previous version). I've never been much of a tire snob but there is something revolutionary about these.
I had thoughts of replacing the G, but these tires, along with a few other updates (mega detail, painted wheels, plus of course the fact that most all new cars are pretty sucky), and I'll be keeping the G for a while longer. 117k miles and going strong!
If you want even more reason to keep the G37x, then I recommend upgrading the rear sway bars ASAP. I always remarked that I thought the G37x handles surprisingly poorly. It did not handle as well as an 8th gen Honda Accord 4 cylinder for example (My folks have one). Which is surprising given that it got great reviews it got in the car magazines for handling, just a tick down from a 3 series overall. I couldn't quite pin point why I thought the G37x was a poor handling car until I read online that most G37x owners are equally disappointed.
Basically the problem stems from the fact that the G37x comes with super wimpy rear sway bars as a heavy handed method that Nissan used to ensure terminal oversteer in the AWD models. This did create the desired effect, but it also created serious body control issues. These issues are noticeable in transitions, as you turn in, there is a slight delay from turning the wheel and any response from the car itself. They are also extremely noticeable in hard sustained corners, as the rear end starts swaying and bouncing around. Finally any mid corner bumps will significantly upset the car as the front and rear roll resistances were so different.
Pretty much everyone on the G37 forums swear by swapping them out on the AWD models, either with a full Hotchkis swap front and rear, or just replacing the tiny rear sway bar with one from the standard RWD G37 (which is the same on the G37S and 370z).
Interestingly to further increase understeer, Nissan actually fitted a substantially larger front sway bar on the AWD models. The Hotchkis full upgrade is an amazing option for the RWD G37s because the primary upgrade there is the smaller front sway bar on those models, and it makes for a much tighter handling car. For the G37x, posters mostly reported the biggest change in feel in upgrading from the AWD to RWD rear sway bar, and a slight improvement to further upgrade to Hotchkis, but with a slight loss of ride quality.
I was debating for months whether to do this upgrade, because I've pretty much never modded a car that was performance enhancing. When the MK III Supra developed rod knock many years ago, we rebuilt it with head gasket studs, and tried to put in a metal head gasket (which leaked, and needed to be replaced back to stock), but never further modded it to take advantage of it. What finally pushed me over the edge was when I ran into a XE Jaguar sedan 2.0 doing some spirited driving and I tagged along. I could easily destroy him in the straights, but in the long sustained corners, his car stayed composed, while the G37x was rolling all over the place, far from the limit.
I was debating full Hotchkis kit front and rear, or just the RWD G37 rear sway bar, or a rear sway bar from a NISMO Z (which is slightly stiffer than the RWD G37/370z). The issue is that I drive on broken up Boston roads and composure and compliance over potholes and bumps was extremely important, and I wanted to minimize ride quality compromise. I couldn't find a good NISMO Z rear sway bar, and that was a rarer swap that people had less experience with. Ultimately I found a great condition G37 RWD rear sway bar for 70 bucks on EBAY, free shipping.
Anyway last week I swapped it out. I can post up the steps on how to do it if anyone is interested, but it's the same as the ones on the internet.
I've had a week to drive around with the new RWD sways and can share my thoughts.
First off. I finally understand why the G37 was so well reviewed and viewed as a legitimate challenger to the 3 series. It was definitely an "Oh, so that's what they were talking about!" moment. My car now handles beautifully. Turn in hesitation is completely gone, and the feel from the wheel is much more weighted. In hard cornering the car now just sticks and stays completely composed, and mid corner bumps are no longer an issue. As for ride compliance, the ride is firmer, but not harsher. Bumps that used to send the rear end bouncing around now produce a single controlled bump.
Most importantly when I drove the 8th Gen Accord, it was a car that always enticed me to drive it harder because of how well it handled. The G37x was always a car that discouraged it because of how poorly it handled. When I had to ask it to perform (like to keep up with that Jag in the twisties), it displayed just how out of it's element it really was. Now with this swap, the G37x now handles how it was meant to handle, just like its non-neutered RWD siblings.
I will say that with these new rear sway bars, I do believe that you can get the G37 to lift off oversteer like Sporty has. My tires are complete crap, and in need of replacement (I'm trying to hold out until the PS4s comes in 225/50 18), and in the rain, the car is now surprisingly neutral. Gradually turn into a corner, and you will get under-steer still. Throw it into a corner in the wet, and the balance is actually slight over-steer, even with no throttle input whatsoever. Furthermore, this is with the significantly stiffer front sway bar of the G37x. With the softer front sway bar of the RWD models, i'd imagine they over-steer even more. This neutral behavior was probably the reason Infiniti choose such a mismatched set of sway bars for the AWD models.
Overall I would say that's the only potential down side to this swap. With the stock wimpy sway bar, the G37x was always going to under-steer, no matter what road condition and no matter what you did with it. Wet and snow driving was Infiniti's primary goal with the AWD model. Now with the swap, it handles like a balanced neutral RWD car, and with slippery conditions, you have to be mindful of what you do.
There is something weird about FM car suspensions, and I think it has to do with suspension geometry. The Z was pretty tenacious in the dry, so in neutral throttle or lift off conditions I never had problems. In the wet though it was a handful with any kind of pushing.... corner entry, mid corner, and especially exit. I think a big part of it is just that it's under-tired.... E46 M3 made about the same power with less torque and weight, and had sticky 255s out back. What does the X have? 225s out back? Even with a sticky tire that's sketchy. I really want to run a square setup but I think putting some 275s or something around that size would cure all the rear end looseness. I think the widest I can fit up front is a 265 so I will probably do that square to be able to rotate tires.
Handling on the G is good but not great. Maybe I am just used to the Civic but the steering is numb and body motions are pretty squishy.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 22, 2017, 05:46:06 AM
There is something weird about FM car suspensions, and I think it has to do with suspension geometry. The Z was pretty tenacious in the dry, so in neutral throttle or lift off conditions I never had problems. In the wet though it was a handful with any kind of pushing.... corner entry, mid corner, and especially exit. I think a big part of it is just that it's under-tired.... E46 M3 made about the same power with less torque and weight, and had sticky 255s out back. What does the X have? 225s out back? Even with a sticky tire that's sketchy. I really want to run a square setup but I think putting some 275s or something around that size would cure all the rear end looseness. I think the widest I can fit up front is a 265 so I will probably do that square to be able to rotate tires.
Handling on the G is good but not great. Maybe I am just used to the Civic but the steering is numb and body motions are pretty squishy.
Are you still on those nasty terrible Nexen tires? I still think that getting better tires (like PSS) and Hotchkis sways will go a long way to improving that car.
I ended up not going Hotchkis because the g37x already comes with significantly larger front sways, but go through the g37 forums and usually RWD owners will say that sways are the best of the suspension upgrades for the g37, if not the best overall upgrade available.
Quote from: 565 on April 22, 2017, 10:07:02 AM
Are you still on those nasty terrible Nexen tires? I still think that getting better tires (like PSS) and Hotchkis sways will go a long way to improving that car.
I ended up not going Hotchkis because the g37x already comes with significantly larger front sways, but go through the g37 forums and usually RWD owners will say that sways are the best of the suspension upgrades for the g37, if not the best overall upgrade available.
I just can't deal with the wheel gap. It's a tradition. I have the Nexens.... between this trip and the like I will be on the for a while. They are pretty awful.
I'm still a huge fan of DWS06s... I don't want to keep 2 sets of tires, so I need all seasons, and the DWS06s wow me every time I push them. Combined with coils on the Civic.... it's really something special. I will hold off on the sways.... coils + lowering will deal with those issues, and I really don't want the back any more loose.
Quote from: 565 on April 22, 2017, 04:43:02 AM
If you want even more reason to keep the G37x, then I recommend upgrading the rear sway bars ASAP. I always remarked that I thought the G37x handles surprisingly poorly. It did not handle as well as an 8th gen Honda Accord 4 cylinder for example (My folks have one). Which is surprising given that it got great reviews it got in the car magazines for handling, just a tick down from a 3 series overall. I couldn't quite pin point why I thought the G37x was a poor handling car until I read online that most G37x owners are equally disappointed.
Basically the problem stems from the fact that the G37x comes with super wimpy rear sway bars as a heavy handed method that Nissan used to ensure terminal oversteer in the AWD models. This did create the desired effect, but it also created serious body control issues. These issues are noticeable in transitions, as you turn in, there is a slight delay from turning the wheel and any response from the car itself. They are also extremely noticeable in hard sustained corners, as the rear end starts swaying and bouncing around. Finally any mid corner bumps will significantly upset the car as the front and rear roll resistances were so different.
Pretty much everyone on the G37 forums swear by swapping them out on the AWD models, either with a full Hotchkis swap front and rear, or just replacing the tiny rear sway bar with one from the standard RWD G37 (which is the same on the G37S and 370z).
Interestingly to further increase understeer, Nissan actually fitted a substantially larger front sway bar on the AWD models. The Hotchkis full upgrade is an amazing option for the RWD G37s because the primary upgrade there is the smaller front sway bar on those models, and it makes for a much tighter handling car. For the G37x, posters mostly reported the biggest change in feel in upgrading from the AWD to RWD rear sway bar, and a slight improvement to further upgrade to Hotchkis, but with a slight loss of ride quality.
I was debating for months whether to do this upgrade, because I've pretty much never modded a car that was performance enhancing. When the MK III Supra developed rod knock many years ago, we rebuilt it with head gasket studs, and tried to put in a metal head gasket (which leaked, and needed to be replaced back to stock), but never further modded it to take advantage of it. What finally pushed me over the edge was when I ran into a XE Jaguar sedan 2.0 doing some spirited driving and I tagged along. I could easily destroy him in the straights, but in the long sustained corners, his car stayed composed, while the G37x was rolling all over the place, far from the limit.
I was debating full Hotchkis kit front and rear, or just the RWD G37 rear sway bar, or a rear sway bar from a NISMO Z (which is slightly stiffer than the RWD G37/370z). The issue is that I drive on broken up Boston roads and composure and compliance over potholes and bumps was extremely important, and I wanted to minimize ride quality compromise. I couldn't find a good NISMO Z rear sway bar, and that was a rarer swap that people had less experience with. Ultimately I found a great condition G37 RWD rear sway bar for 70 bucks on EBAY, free shipping.
Anyway last week I swapped it out. I can post up the steps on how to do it if anyone is interested, but it's the same as the ones on the internet.
I've had a week to drive around with the new RWD sways and can share my thoughts.
First off. I finally understand why the G37 was so well reviewed and viewed as a legitimate challenger to the 3 series. It was definitely an "Oh, so that's what they were talking about!" moment. My car now handles beautifully. Turn in hesitation is completely gone, and the feel from the wheel is much more weighted. In hard cornering the car now just sticks and stays completely composed, and mid corner bumps are no longer an issue. As for ride compliance, the ride is firmer, but not harsher. Bumps that used to send the rear end bouncing around now produce a single controlled bump.
Most importantly when I drove the 8th Gen Accord, it was a car that always enticed me to drive it harder because of how well it handled. The G37x was always a car that discouraged it because of how poorly it handled. When I had to ask it to perform (like to keep up with that Jag in the twisties), it displayed just how out of it's element it really was. Now with this swap, the G37x now handles how it was meant to handle, just like its non-neutered RWD siblings.
I will say that with these new rear sway bars, I do believe that you can get the G37 to lift off oversteer like Sporty has. My tires are complete crap, and in need of replacement (I'm trying to hold out until the PS4s comes in 225/50 18), and in the rain, the car is now surprisingly neutral. Gradually turn into a corner, and you will get under-steer still. Throw it into a corner in the wet, and the balance is actually slight over-steer, even with no throttle input whatsoever. Furthermore, this is with the significantly stiffer front sway bar of the G37x. With the softer front sway bar of the RWD models, i'd imagine they over-steer even more. This neutral behavior was probably the reason Infiniti choose such a mismatched set of sway bars for the AWD models.
Overall I would say that's the only potential down side to this swap. With the stock wimpy sway bar, the G37x was always going to under-steer, no matter what road condition and no matter what you did with it. Wet and snow driving was Infiniti's primary goal with the AWD model. Now with the swap, it handles like a balanced neutral RWD car, and with slippery conditions, you have to be mindful of what you do.
Interesting. I have no complaints about G37x handling. It sticks well, it turns well, and it rolls well (little). Oversteer is there, but that is on purpose of course, courtesy also of ATTESA E-TS.
I came from a 7th gen Accord (IIRC generally accepted to be the better handler than the 8th gen) w/V6 (lower profile rubber, "sport" suspension) and I thought the G37x was most definitely a huge upgrade in handling.
Did you buy your G used? I found the G's struts/shocks blew at about 75,000 miles, and it killed handling (and to a lesser extent, ride quality).
I do ~50% of my driving in the wet and snow (and some gravel roads) so I should probably stick with the factory setup. I'd also be leery as ATTESA-ETS + ESC is fairly complicated and tuned to the factory suspension.
Quote from: GoCougs on April 22, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Interesting. I have no complaints about G37x handling. It sticks well, it turns well, and it rolls well (little). Oversteer is there, but that is on purpose of course, courtesy also of ATTESA E-TS.
I came from a 7th gen Accord (IIRC generally accepted to be the better handler than the 8th gen) w/V6 (lower profile rubber, "sport" suspension) and I thought the G37x was most definitely a huge upgrade in handling.
Did you buy your G used? I found the G's struts/shocks blew at about 75,000 miles, and it killed handling (and to a lesser extent, ride quality).
I do ~50% of my driving in the wet and snow (and some gravel roads) so I should probably stick with the factory setup. I'd also be leery as ATTESA-ETS + ESC is fairly complicated and tuned to the factory suspension.
I did buy the g37xS used, but I got it with less than 50k miles. The ride was fine and definitely didn't feel like it had blown shocks. It was owned by an older woman who had loaded the hard disk with old people music, and all the seating memory settings were for midgets, and she drove it in suburban CT where the roads are all nicely paved. Everything about the car looked barely used.
If 50% of your driving is wet/snow then I guess the stock understeer is a safer bet, but the rear seat bar upgrade really raises the sportiness factor as much as everyone says it does.
Tomorrow I'm going to do some back to back drives in the twisties between the g37 with rear sway bar upgrade and the C5 z06 to see how it stacks up.
565 what do you think about the transmission? I've played with it in sport and manual mode.... pretty sluggish, but pretty obedient. Been caught out at the rev limiter a few times not paying attention.
Strongly recommend that ALL G37 owners check to see if they have the latest AT programming. Unfortunately, the only way to know is to have the dealership download computer do a check.
I've been through two - the first addressed clunking when automatically downshifting at lower speed, but it made things slushy. The second addressed the slushiness - when in "D" it will even throttle blip a bit at times on the downshift.
Make no mistake though, if the car has a legit gripe, it's the 7AT. ANY sort of performance driving, especially if it's important (passing, merging) has to be done via manual shifting.
Yea, I find that 4th gear is the best gear for making things happen on the highway. 1-3 are a little annoyingly short as well. And as bad as the 7AT is, it's still miles better than the 6MT, which shifts like something for a supercar from the 70s. I have owned and driven a lot of manual Nissans; I have yet to encounter one with good shift quality. Quiet as kept, the CVT in the Maxima is probably their best transmission outside of the GT-R's dual clutch (which itself has some NVH and drivability issues)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 22, 2017, 09:47:48 PM
Yea, I find that 4th gear is the best gear for making things happen on the highway. 1-3 are a little annoyingly short as well. And as bad as the 7AT is, it's still miles better than the 6MT, which shifts like something for a supercar from the 70s. I have owned and driven a lot of manual Nissans; I have yet to encounter one with good shift quality. Quiet as kept, the CVT in the Maxima is probably their best transmission outside of the GT-R's dual clutch (which itself has some NVH and drivability issues)
I have no problems with the transmission in my dad's G. :huh:
Granted, it's not Honda level or even as good as my Miata's, but it's not bad at all.
If it's like the one in the Z, and gear ratios indicate it is- no thanks
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 22, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
If it's like the one in the Z, and gear ratios indicate it is- no thanks
Are you sure your Z's transmission was in good health? It did have well over 100k on it and synchro rings do wear out over time...
A lot of the characteristics of how a transmission feels comes down to little things like shift linkage or synchro design and condition. My current Mustang uses the same MT-82 transmission as my last (despite slightly different ratios), but feels a bit nicer thanks to a different linkage design and revised synchros. Shifting my old one clutchlessly was a real challenge. It's pretty easy with the new one.
Quote from: MX793 on April 23, 2017, 06:01:14 AM
Are you sure your Z's transmission was in good health? It did have well over 100k on it and synchro rings do wear out over time...
A legitimate question, though every review I've read spoke to the same notchiness and heaviness in the shift quality. The clutch was textbook Nissan as well- long throw, high effort, vague engagement. Combined, just awful, especially in direct comparison with that in the Civic.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 22, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
565 what do you think about the transmission? I've played with it in sport and manual mode.... pretty sluggish, but pretty obedient. Been caught out at the rev limiter a few times not paying attention.
It downshifts pretty much as soon as you hit the paddles, but there is a big lag with upshifts. Plus the paddles are column mounted which turns out I don't like. I always thought column mounted paddles were more legit until I owned a car with one.
I have experienced the infamous lag and sudden shift problem that everyone goes crazy over but it seriously happens so rarely that it's not a problem.
Sport mode is very aggressive in holding gears and downshifting in corners.
The lag thing is weird. It's like it freewheels then SLAM knocks you in the back.
More questions, mainly for the RWD guys.... how do your tires wear? I want to go square to be able to rotate tires, but if the tires generally wear evenly then I will go staggered. I'm seeing mixed responses. I'm obviously going to lower the car, but I will probably get a camber kit at both ends and run -1 all around like I did with the Civic.
Other question, which of these wheels (in dark gray/gunmetal obviously) would you go with? Going to run either 19x8.5/9.5 or 19x9.5 all around. Here is a less than great pic of the staggered setup fitment:
(http://www.modbargains.com/images/Products/Avant%20Garde/11111111111111/infiniti/11312062_925902860764291_195349019_n.jpg)
Going to run spacers so it kind of doesn't matter what the width is. Here is what I'm thinking about:
1. (http://www.upwheels.com/images/content/wheels/UP100MG-7.jpg)
(https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clublexus.com-vbulletin/2000x1124/80-20150802_165620_81ca17a7b8f426ceefa27f76a5b645b3a0692bc9.jpg)
2.(http://images.nicheroadwheels.com/images/wheels/xlarge/Esscen_Silver_20x10.5_A1-1000.png)
(http://images.nicheroadwheels.com/images/gallery/theg4.jpg)
^^^This sunken battleship stance is NOT representative of my vision
3. (http://www.varrstoen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/varrstoen-es3.jpg)
(https://g35driver.com/forums/attachments/archived-sales/117238d1267584054-rare-volk-ce28n-gunmetal-dsc_0050-16-.jpg)
4. (http://images.nicheroadwheels.com/images/wheels/xlarge/Surge_20x10.5_R_A1-1000.png)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/destro954/G37sCVT2.jpg)
^^^Not the same wheel but the same idea
Looking at these all together I'm leaning strongly towards 1.... looks the most "OEM" and I like the slight dish.
Side note, here is what 255/285s on 19s look like:
(https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.myg37.com-vbulletin/1616x1080/80-img_20161001_182200_30035680611_o_d0e057d765a524eef93313ac6526bdf54c110eac.jpg)
I would not go anywhere near that low though; I'm generally happy with a 1 finger gap all around with a slight rake
A lot of it depends on how aggressively you drive. I've never had them wear evenly, the rears always go first. When you're driving mostly highway, they wear more evenly, but if you're on surface streets, accelerating from a standstill a lot, and hitting the curves aggressively, your rears are going to wear faster. In my experience, anyway.
Something is wrong if your drive tires don't wear faster.
I like the design of the Varstolens because they are CE28N knockoffs, but I wouldn't put Varstolens on anything I own.
I don't like how the spokes go all the way past the lip on the first ones.
Lol Varstolens. I like that
I dig the Enkei TS10s (on the right)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12783353_1014302585315317_941936534_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE5MjA3MDEyNzYzODUzMDYyNA%3D%3D.2.l)
Quote from: Cookie Monster on April 24, 2017, 12:19:46 AM
I like the design of the Varstolens because they are CE28N knockoffs, but I wouldn't put Varstolens on anything I own.
I don't like how the spokes go all the way past the lip on the first ones.
But you have no problem riding on D2s lol :lol: I keeed I keed
I don't like that aspect of the first ones either, but they fit the bill on every other metric. Ideally I'd get some 19" RE30s but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't be driving a G37...................................
17x9 APEX ARC-8 ET30 wheels: 16.77lbs
I would probably have gone 18" for appearance to be honest.
Even wear from the tires - Bridgestone Potenza RE11As 245/40 - will be grabbing a set of 255 of something here soon.
17s on the G :nono:
Thing weighs 3700lbs.... lightweight parts are a waste of time.
The first ones are really growing on me. I really like how they look on that RC at stock height.
Late to the party, but...
I nearly spun my G when I first got it, taking a left turn in the rain. I agree that it's surprisingly tail happy.
I disagree about the MT, I like it, and it's certainly better than the auto. I've had auto G37s as loaners, and the auto is slow and has that awful torque converter lag. The MT is direct, mechanical, and shifts well. It does feel heavy, but I'm not a wuss.
In all the car's I've had, RWD and FWD-- the drive axle always wore down the tread much faster. The Merc has a staggered setup, so unfortunately I won't be able to rotate the tires unless I get a new set of rims, and I'm not exactly into the idea of aftermarket rimz on a late-model Benz.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 30, 2017, 07:48:55 PM
In all the car's I've had, RWD and FWD-- the drive axle always wore down the tread much faster. The Merc has a staggered setup, so unfortunately I won't be able to rotate the tires unless I get a new set of rims, and I'm not exactly into the idea of aftermarket rimz on a late-model Benz.
Same here. Although on my current car, the front and rears are worn very close to the same (both axles are between 3 and 4 32nds left). Not sure if that's due to the staggered setup or just the way I drive (auto-x can be hard on the fronts). Based on past experience, I was really expecting to have to change the rears before the fronts given I can't rotate with the staggered setup.
Z wore the rears out faster but it turned out the alignment was a little out of whack (too much camber)
I think I just have to accept the higher running costs of this thing. Running 285s out back would lock this thing down nicely
I believe that was a common problem with early 350Zs.
Yea alignments were a problem in general
I just put michelin pilot super sports on. I was planning the wait until the PS4S were available in 225/50/18 but I thought that the old Kumhos were getting unbearably loud. Also it wasn't clear when, if ever the ps4s would be available in that size. I got the new tires and the sound was the same. Turned out I needed new wheel bearings, which fixed the problem.
Anyway I'm super glad I got the super sports. They work as well on the g37x as they do on the z06. Amazing grip. Great feedback and super gentle and predictable break away. I can rotate so I'll see if they hold up 30k like the warranty says they will.
I couldn't find any faults with the PSSes. Amazing grip and very good ride quality. So much better than the Potenza RE050s I had.
No go for snow though... otherwise I definitely would. I'm really happy with the DWS06s, plus I can make up for the better compound of the PSS with more meat
What snow. :wtf:
We get a solid ~3 days a year. Plus we have like 2-3 months of freezing conditions. Even w/o snow a summer tire is no bueno.
Making tire decisions for 3 days a year. :wtf:
Temps, sure.
I mean, if I have to get out of the house during those 3 days :huh: Plus again it's not only those 3 days. Summer tires don't like cold weather (which is why they're called summer tires :) )
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 24, 2017, 02:41:30 AM
But you have no problem riding on D2s lol :lol: I keeed I keed
I don't like that aspect of the first ones either, but they fit the bill on every other metric. Ideally I'd get some 19" RE30s but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't be driving a G37...................................
What are D2s? I only rep the finest of Chinese coilovers.
BC RACING :neverforget: :erjerbs:
You lose some grip (as do all seasons, though to a lesser degree), but they aren't generally dangerously undrivable as long as the temperature doesn't go too much below freezing. They'll be at their worst when you first start driving, but after a couple miles they'll warm up a bit and be better. I've driven with mine down at just below freezing and they were OK. Easy to spin the tires, so you just need to calibrate yourself and drive like it's wet/raining. Depends on the tire, as well. Some of the really sticky stuff (Sport Cup 2 or Rivals, or any R comp) can crack when you get down under 40F.
I've been riding top-down since mid January. You can definitely get by with summer tires here, especially a guy like Sporty with a lot of experience driving in the snowy Northeast.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 02, 2017, 01:57:58 PM
I mean, if I have to get out of the house during those 3 days :huh:
You're a braver man that me. I take my ride out night-of when everyone is scared shitless to find empty parking lots for donuts. Then I'm strictly no-driving because all the locals turn into abject idiots, drive around at 5 mph no matter the situation, and abandon their cars in the middle of the road when they get stuck.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 02, 2017, 01:57:58 PM
I mean, if I have to get out of the house during those 3 days :huh: Plus again it's not only those 3 days. Summer tires don't like cold weather (which is why they're called summer tires :) )
Is it really very likely that both you and the wife HAVE to leave the house separately those days? Can't one or both of you work from home every once in awhile?
When Atlanta got that awful ice storm a few years ago, I totally LOLNOPE'd out of going into the office. NBD.
Quote from: MX793 on May 02, 2017, 02:19:05 PM
You lose some grip (as do all seasons, though to a lesser degree), but they aren't generally dangerously undrivable as long as the temperature doesn't go too much below freezing. They'll be at their worst when you first start driving, but after a couple miles they'll warm up a bit and be better. I've driven with mine down at just below freezing and they were OK. Easy to spin the tires, so you just need to calibrate yourself and drive like it's wet/raining. Depends on the tire, as well. Some of the really sticky stuff (Sport Cup 2 or Rivals, or any R comp) can crack when you get down under 40F.
+1. When the S2000 was my only car, I drove my RE-11s as low as like 7 degrees and they were fine. I wouldn't want to go speeding around a mountain road at those temps but they can handle normal driving just fine.
I have heard that low temperatures can cause pitting since the rubber gets brittle and that manufacturers can void warranties if there's evidence of low temperature driving, but I don't know if that's true or not.
I have a set of michelin X-ice Xi3s mounted on g37x coupe 18 inch wheels I use for the winter. It crushes snow ice and cold weather.
Quote from: 565 on May 02, 2017, 04:09:15 PM
I have a set of michelin X-ice Xi3s mounted on g37x coupe 18 inch wheels I use for the winter. It crushes snow ice and cold weather.
How does it deal with ice snow?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 02, 2017, 04:02:37 PM
I have heard that low temperatures can cause pitting since the rubber gets brittle and that manufacturers can void warranties if there's evidence of low temperature driving, but I don't know if that's true or not.
Definitely true.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-general-discussion/3218507-goodyear-f1-supercar-g2-tire-not-for-cold-weather-use.html (https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-general-discussion/3218507-goodyear-f1-supercar-g2-tire-not-for-cold-weather-use.html)
My tires' warranty paperwork says they will not cover tread damage incurred if they are used below 45F although that's pretty conservative. Others, like the F1 Supercar, say you can still drive on them down to ~20F without risk of damage. I know guys who have tried auto-xing with <200TW tires in temperatures near freezing and had chunks of tread tear/break out.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 02, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
What are D2s? I only rep the finest of Chinese coilovers.
BC RACING :neverforget: :erjerbs:
D2s are the same as BCs, but black and purple.
Both are made in Taiwan IIRC :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on May 02, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Definitely true.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-general-discussion/3218507-goodyear-f1-supercar-g2-tire-not-for-cold-weather-use.html (https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c6-corvette-general-discussion/3218507-goodyear-f1-supercar-g2-tire-not-for-cold-weather-use.html)
My tires' warranty paperwork says they will not cover tread damage incurred if they are used below 45F although that's pretty conservative. Others, like the F1 Supercar, say you can still drive on them down to ~20F without risk of damage. I know guys who have tried auto-xing with <200TW tires in temperatures near freezing and had chunks of tread tear/break out.
I don't need those problems. Granted I drove the Z through a winter on NT555s but the little extra .15g or w/e I'd get is not worth it.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 02, 2017, 04:35:15 PM
D2s are the same as BCs, but black and purple.
Both are made in Taiwan IIRC :lol:
I think D2/BC and Megans and probably other brands (Feal?) share most/all parts, with the main differences coming from dynos/tuning. Hell, Sporty's own favorioute Fortune Auto might get some of its parts from that lot as well.
A lot of it just comes down to the brand. BC, Megan... they just don't seem serious and I've read a lot more problems from them than others. D2 actually seems OK. Fortune Auto seems to have a much better grasp of what matters for good coilovers and they have good customer service. I'm leaning more towards Powertrix
Nothing good ever comes from chinese shocks. Just get some bilstein's and get it over with
I haven't had any problems with my BCs and they've seen track and autocross use. :huh:
Quote from: r0tor on May 03, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
Nothing good ever comes from chinese shocks. Just get some bilstein's and get it over with
The STs on my Civic were made in Germany by KW, and blew in less than a year on pretty smooth roads :huh:
My BCs have lasted over 20K miles on shit Rochester roads
I know BCs are used in formula drift as well.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 03, 2017, 02:29:31 PM
I know BCs are used in formula drift as well.
The shock needs of formula drift car in no way shape or form resembles the shock needs of a street car.
Quote from: r0tor on May 03, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
The shock needs of formula drift car in no way shape or form resembles the shock needs of a street car.
Yeah, and FD cars are put through far more abuse than pretty much any other form of street motorsports, so if they can handle that environment I'm sure they'll be just fine on Sporty's G.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 03, 2017, 11:53:05 AM
The STs on my Civic were made in Germany by KW, and blew in less than a year on pretty smooth roads :huh:
Don't recall mentioning KW
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 03, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
Yeah, and FD cars are put through far more abuse than pretty much any other form of street motorsports, so if they can handle that environment I'm sure they'll be just fine on Sporty's G.
FD cars do not deal with rough roads, the need for ride quality, longevity, or ability to handle road salts and dirt... There is nothing applicable between FD and the street for suspensions
Don't they modify the front ends too for the 180-degree lock?
Quote from: r0tor on May 03, 2017, 06:07:05 PM
FD cars do not deal with rough roads, the need for ride quality, longevity, or ability to handle road salts and dirt... There is nothing applicable between FD and the street for suspensions
OK, in that case mine are still going strong after 3 years, 25k miles, 5 track days, and numerous autocross miles. If they last on my car I'm sure they'll be fine durability wise for Sporty. I don't know about his comfort or valving requirements, but they're not junk just waiting to fail either.
PSS10s are within what I can stomach price wise.... Tire Rack has a sale.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 04, 2017, 11:31:14 AM
PSS10s are within what I can stomach price wise.... Tire Rack has a sale.
Better get those to keep your friend happy then
Quote from: Tave on May 04, 2017, 08:51:17 AM
Don't they modify the front ends too for the 180-degree lock?
Not quite to that point I don't think, but yes.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 04, 2017, 11:31:14 AM
PSS10s are within what I can stomach price wise.... Tire Rack has a sale.
Buy PSS10s, set to full or almost full soft, enjoy life and never think about them again
Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 04, 2017, 10:25:39 AM
OK, in that case mine are still going strong after 3 years, 25k miles, 5 track days, and numerous autocross miles. If they last on my car I'm sure they'll be fine durability wise for Sporty. I don't know about his comfort or valving requirements, but they're not junk just waiting to fail either.
While everyone claims BCs =/= D2 Ksport ETC, from my understanding they are actually different. BC's will be my next purchase, as the PSS10's use progressive springs, and while they can be swapped that's even MORE cost than the steep entry. Koni based units are not in the cards for me - they seem more failure prone in comparison to monotube units...
I've had such mixed luck with twin tube setups. I had Koni Yellows on my first Accord in NYC for like 2-3 years and those rode great. Like a magic cloud. I also had some cheapo NEX SS coilovers on my 2nd Maxima... twin tube, lowered 3", rode like a champ for about a year. Weirdly enough the STs on the Civic are twin tube too, and NC roads are a lot better but I had a failure with them. I think this go around I'm gonna try the monotube thing... but I'm still leery of BC.... the name just says "knock off Buddy Club" to me. I like the Powertrix SS, will probably do that.
Ride comfort comes down to valving. Koni and Bilstein use digressive valving so you can have ample damping at slow shock speeds for handling without having exponentially more damping at high shock speeds - which effect ride comfort.
Virtually any set of linear rate shocks that are tuned for performance are going to ride like ass regardless of being twin tube or monotube.
Monotube will generally have better reliability and resist fading when bring driven hard on the track.
Pretty much all coilovers worth buying on the market have digressive shock valving. And you don't want exponentially more damping at high shock speeds... here's some marketing copy from Fortune Auto
(https://72mc8nzkbhk0u7gi-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Graph500v4-2.png)
Well, BC racing is a shit show http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-general/168885-bc-racing-er-series-coilover-comprehensive-review.html
Your fortune auto pic shows a complete run away on rebound and most Google pics show 2-3x more rebound at 9 in/s then 2 in/s even with their "ultra digressive" model.. So they suck as well
Powertrix in the same boat as Fortune... Probably because they use the same shit
Also IMO running remarkably more rebound then compression is pure silliness
Yeech those dyno plots look pretty bad. Fortune Auto 510s don't look too bad though:
(http://www.focusst.org/forum/attachments/thmotorsports-com/32436d1391036597-fortune-auto-coilovers-fortune-dreadnought-2-way-dyno-graph.jpg)
And Bilstein has its own problems:
https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-suspension/463756-bilstein-pss-family-2.html#post7971259
I mean here are Konis which I love and swear by:
(http://wilhelmraceworks.com/images/shockdyno/koni_yellow_rear.jpg)
Honestly I'm not going to worry about it... getting legit shocks costs a fortune and roads are pretty smooth here. Not that much high speed stuff. As long as low and mid speed stuff is OK, company rep is somewhat legit and lowering is separate from preload I'm good :huh:
Of course FatCat custom valved shocks are going to be better then stock PSS's... They cost a shit ton
Still, for the price you have to be crazy not to go Bilstein PSS
They have the same problems as everyone else for more $$$. Actually maybe more with that adjuster issue
There are definitely limitations with PSS9/10s. There's only so much you can do just by preload adjustment, which is all that dial does. I wouldn't use fat cat as your proof for anything. Dude is a total moron.
https://www.z1motorsports.com/suspension/ohlins/ohlins-350z-dfv-road-and-track-coilovers-p-9273.html
(http://i39.tinypic.com/333hlig.jpg)
Are the spring rates and valving for the 350Z close enough for the G?
They make them for the V36 platform too....
https://www.aj-racing.com/catalog/?product=ohlins-dfv-road-track-suspension-nissan-370z-09-13-z34
11k/10k.... a little stiff but no problem with God shocks and more weight.
While I would whole heartily applaud the purchase of Ohlins... jumping from wanting crap Chinese shocks to proposing what has to be about the most expensive shocks is very perplexing
Quote from: r0tor on May 07, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
While I would whole heartily applaud the purchase of Ohlins... jumping from wanting crap Chinese shocks to proposing what has to be about the most expensive shocks is very perplexing
Those Chinese shocks are no more crap than the Bilsteins you proposed, at least according to the shock dynos you use as the barometer of crap/good
Ohlins have good build quality, good adjustability, good damping. Your default disposition is to whine though so I'm not surprised.
Lol, those Chinese shocks are definitely worse than the cheapest Bilsteins.
Ohlins are really nice, but also really expensive.
Quote from: MrH on May 08, 2017, 07:14:14 AM
Lol, those Chinese shocks are definitely worse than the cheapest Bilsteins.
Ohlins are really nice, but also really expensive.
Ehhh, I don't know about that. Based on my experience - while I expect Bilstien to have better valving and longevity - the quality has been hit or miss, And the pricing is quite outrageous at times. Non adjustable, PROGRESSIVE SPRUNG coilovers, for 1.2K? Saying it's "better" without any way objectively measure it, doesn't make it true.
Uhh... Bilstein had a lifetime warranty, crap Chinese shock not so much
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 07, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
Those Chinese shocks are no more crap than the Bilsteins you proposed, at least according to the shock dynos you use as the barometer of crap/good
Ohlins have good build quality, good adjustability, good damping. Your default disposition is to whine though so I'm not surprised.
I'd trust the Bilsteins to last, the knockoff Chinese ones are a roll of the dice.
Quote from: Char on May 08, 2017, 11:55:01 AM
Ehhh, I don't know about that. Based on my experience - while I expect Bilstien to have better valving and longevity - the quality has been hit or miss, And the pricing is quite outrageous at times. Non adjustable, PROGRESSIVE SPRUNG coilovers, for 1.2K? Saying it's "better" without any way objectively measure it, doesn't make it true.
Why are you capitalizing "PROGRESSIVE SPRUNG" and why do you think that's significantly cheaper than a linear spring :wtf:
Quote from: MrH on May 08, 2017, 02:29:59 PM
Why are you capitalizing "PROGRESSIVE SPRUNG" and why do you think that's significantly cheaper than a linear spring :wtf:
So said anything about Progressive springs being "cheaper?" I didn't. What they are is shit for anyone who wants to do any sort of aggressive driving, which is why many people convert them over to a linear spring.
Believe me, I like Bilstien products, but it's hard to justify the cost difference between "Chinese" coil overs and Bilsteins for anyone who isn't doing 3+ track days a year, and even then, We have nothing to truely compare them against.
I bought a used set of PSS9/10s with the intent of revalving them for higher spring rate linear springs - at that point, I could have bought 2 sets of "Chinese" coilovers. For a primarily street driven car, BC (KSPORT is trash, I don't care what Sporty says) is fine.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 08, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
I'd trust the Bilsteins to last, the knockoff Chinese ones are a roll of the dice.
Eh, they can be hit or miss. Most E90 guys no longer run them, but there were some early quality concerns. Longevity wise, I don't expect them to be the type that needs frequent rebuilds.
I agree that K-Sport is trash, never said otherwise.
Also not sure what relevance a lifetime warranty has on a wear item like shocks, unless that means free replacements for life. And even if that's the case, it's still a huge PITA when one blows. What do you do? Run one corner with your OEM shock? One end of the car? There's no reason shocks should blow down here, the roads are not bad at all.
In a normal world the warranty would indicate it's designed to not have to be rebuilt/replaced every couple of years...
Quote from: r0tor on May 09, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
In a normal world the warranty would indicate it's designed to not have to be rebuilt/replaced every couple of years...
We don't live in a normal world. In a normal world Bilstein would not cram the full range of damping adjustment in half a turn.
God damn, I've had these PSS tires for about a week now. These tires plus the rear sway upgrade makes the G37x an absolute weapon around corners. I'm just blowing past everyone around the corners, dry or wet. As good as the PSS tires are on the z06, having them on a more normal car just makes a bigger difference. I don't think I can ever go back to having all seasons on a daily driver now.
:rockon:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 09, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
We don't live in a normal world. In a normal world Bilstein would not cram the full range of damping adjustment in half a turn.
You don't need to explain that you don't live in the normal world... really you don't ;)
Quote from: r0tor on May 09, 2017, 03:17:49 PM
You don't need to explain that you don't live in the normal world... really you don't ;)
Strong comeback!
Regarding PSS vs DWS06s, Tire Rack tested both on the same F30:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=218
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=216
5ft difference braking from 50mph, 0.02g around the skidpad in the dry in favor of the PSSs.... 10ft difference and 0.02g difference in the wet
in favor of the DWS06s. DWS06s are a little squishy on the Civic but they have a 50 series profile. Not as sexy as the PSSs on the internet but they're a good tire year round.
Quote from: 565 on May 09, 2017, 01:43:48 PM
God damn, I've had these PSS tires for about a week now. These tires plus the rear sway upgrade makes the G37x an absolute weapon around corners. I'm just blowing past everyone around the corners, dry or wet. As good as the PSS tires are on the z06, having them on a more normal car just makes a bigger difference. I don't think I can ever go back to having all seasons on a daily driver now.
How are you blowing past people in the corners?🤔
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 09, 2017, 03:42:49 PM
Strong comeback!
Regarding PSS vs DWS06s, Tire Rack tested both on the same F30:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=218
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=216
5ft difference braking from 50mph, 0.02g around the skidpad in the dry in favor of the PSSs.... 10ft difference and 0.02g difference in the wet in favor of the DWS06s. DWS06s are a little squishy on the Civic but they have a 50 series profile. Not as sexy as the PSSs on the internet but they're a good tire year round.
The differences show up in sustained lapping. A track day, or a couple of auto-xes, will tear up the DWS' with their blocky tread, which will overheat more quickly. Responses will also be softer and they'll tend to be "squirmier" at initial turn-in.
Here's how much worse a blockier tread holds up to abuse vs something with broader shoulders.
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/4456/PageID/11384/TESTED-Continental-Tire-ExtremeContact-Sport.aspx (http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/4456/PageID/11384/TESTED-Continental-Tire-ExtremeContact-Sport.aspx)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-S550-Mustang-GT/i-mw37QZT/0/X2/14%20Continental%20DW%20post%20track%20use-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-S550-Mustang-GT/i-x8cDgfJ/0/X2/15%20Continental%20ExtremeContact%20Sport%20Post%20track%20tire-X2.jpg)
In this case, comparing the summer-only Continental ExtremeContact DW (blocky tread that was designed to be tops in wet traction) to the new ExtremeContact Sport (designed to improve dry grip vs the DW to better compete with the PSS).
Only track days I plan on doing will be on the bike, not this autotragic behemoth.... that is good to know though.
I'm going to need new tires soon. I've got Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Positions on my G now, but I'll probably go full PSS for the new set. The PSSes cost $150 more for a full set.
Quote from: afty on May 10, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
I'm going to need new tires soon. I've got Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Positions on my G now, but I'll probably go full PSS for the new set. The PSSes cost $150 more for a full set.
WORTH IT. Just change it now, screw the remaining tread life. Life's too short to roll on Potenzas.
Quote from: Laconian on May 10, 2017, 11:21:54 AM
WORTH IT. Just change it now, screw the remaining tread life. Life's too short to roll on Potenzas.
"Potenza" is waaaaayy too generic of a brand name to determine anything about the actual tires. The Potenza RE-11s I have on the S2000 are awesome, but the OE Potenza RE050s were mediocre and WAY overpriced.
Ah. RE050s were the stock tire on the G37. Yes, very bad tires.
Cant be worse than my NEXENs™
That's literally their trademarked tagline.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 10, 2017, 11:39:10 AM
Cant be worse than my NEXENs™
That's literally their trademarked tagline.
(http://i.imgur.com/QBTlxf7.jpg)
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 10, 2017, 11:44:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/QBTlxf7.jpg)
Literally dying. :cry:
Wait, no I'm not.
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 10, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
Literally dying. :cry:
Wait, no I'm not.
But you are; you approach your grave slowly with each passing breath.
Quote from: Laconian on May 10, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
But you are; you approach your grave slowly with each passing breath.
Fuck. :rastaman:
Quote from: Laconian on May 10, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
But you are; you approach your grave slowly with each passing breath.
But just because something is actively growing closer doesn't mean that it's currently occurring. :hmm:
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 10, 2017, 01:29:05 PM
But just because something is actively growing closer doesn't mean that it's currently occurring. :hmm:
Whoah. :rastaman:
Dude, don't harsh on my deepness, man, dude
Quote from: Laconian on May 10, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
Dude, don't harsh on my deepness, man, dude
I'm just trying to figure out when I'm living and when I'm dying, man.
YOU'RE IN BOTH STATES AT ONCE MAN (mind blown)
STOP CLINGING TO ABSOLUTES
Holy shit, guys. :rastaman:
Quote from: Laconian on May 10, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
But you are; you approach your grave slowly with each passing breath.
That's called living.
Quote from: Laconian on May 10, 2017, 01:51:29 PM
YOU'RE IN BOTH STATES AT ONCE MAN (mind blown)
STOP CLINGING TO ABSOLUTES
At least until somebody opens the box to observe us. Then our quantum state converges into a single state.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 10, 2017, 01:42:43 PM
I'm just trying to figure out when I'm living and when I'm dying, man.
If you're dying, you're living. If you're dead, you ain't.
Quote from: MX793 on May 10, 2017, 02:52:49 PM
At least until somebody opens the box to observe us. Then our quantum state converges into a single state.
Which is why I'm going to be buried with a cat.
Hey man, I don't make judgments. I'm so laid back that when I observe matter, I can just let it exist as a probabilistic superposition of states.
What happened here? :confused:
Quote from: afty on May 10, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
I'm going to need new tires soon. I've got Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Positions on my G now, but I'll probably go full PSS for the new set. The PSSes cost $150 more for a full set.
Those S-04s are actually really good tires. I had them on my Outback for two years, but I also just purchased Pilot Super Sports for this year.
Quote from: 68_427 on May 10, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
Those S-04s are actually really good tires. I had them on my Outback for two years, but I also just purchased Pilot Super Sports for this year.
They get good reviews on Tire Rack. Do you think the Pilot Super Sports are noticeably better?
Quote from: afty on May 10, 2017, 11:52:24 PM
They get good reviews on Tire Rack. Do you think the Pilot Super Sports are noticeably better?
I've not driven on them yet unfortunately. It's hard for me to believe they'll be noticeably better on the street but we'll see.
In fact... even if you buy them and put them on next month you'll still probably beat me to it.
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 10, 2017, 09:34:38 PM
What happened here? :confused:
Yea I wanna get back to talking tires and Chinese coilovers.
I think the S-04s are grippier than the PSSs but the PSSs have better all around performance and feel. In any case both suck in less than perfect weather compared to UHP all seasons so I'm def going that route.
QuoteHowever, many in our test were surprised at how close the Bridgestone compared favorably to the Pilot Super Sport. On the street and track, the Michelin Pilot Super Sport had faster steering response and a bit more dry grip than the S-04 Pole Position. However, I felt that the Bridgestone summer tire had a bit softer ride quality on the street, while still giving excellent cornering grip and road feel. Many may feel that the S-04 Pole Position has a better balance of ride quality and handling that would suit a vehicle that's driven spiritedly. My conclusion? The Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position is great alternative to the Michelin Pilot Super Sport for those willing to give up a little in terms of ultimate handling and grip for a bit softer ride and lower price-point. - See more at: http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/make-driving-fun/bridgestone-potenza-s-04-pole-position-vs-michelin-pilot-super-sport#sthash.OFcGGwhi.dpuf
Definitely a very good tire, and a
great tire for the price. Although with the PSS being phased out it was actually $1 cheaper per tire in my size than the S-04, but when I bought my S-04s two years ago it was closer to $30/tire difference.
Has anyone seen a car come out of China recently that didn't look 15-20 years behind the times? They're catching up compared to where they were in the early 90s but still have a ways to go.
I just realized, we have been back since 4/27 and I haven't commuted in the G yet :facepalm:
We gotta get this Rabbit fixed and get my damn Civic sold
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 22, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
I just realized, we have been back since 4/27 and I haven't commuted in the G yet :facepalm:
We gotta get this Rabbit fixed and get my damn Civic sold
Has waifu been co-opting the G?
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 23, 2017, 09:46:31 PM
Has waifu been co-opting the G?
Yes... I'm at the collision shop now getting her rental
Welp. I think I'm sold on which coilovers I'm getting. Cheap Chinese crap my ass. :neverforget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT3Ei28I7s4
My powdercoater has recently started building custom coilovers. I forgot to ask where they get their parts though.
Most custom coilovers use the same Chinese/Taiwanese parts and just do custom valving. I'm going with Feals next.
I want new sway bars but damn whiteline shit is expensive.
Posted in the wrong thread :facepalm:
Like I said getting the tire pressure right has fixed the understeer issue. This thing is still scary in the rain. A lot like the Z. Very vague at the wheel and the rear end does not seem tied down at all, even in fast sweepers. Still going to attack the suspension before the tires though... hopefully more camber will make things better. Taking an interesting approach with the suspension but I will keep that under wraps.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 21, 2017, 06:15:13 AM
Posted in the wrong thread :facepalm:
Like I said getting the tire pressure right has fixed the understeer issue. This thing is still scary in the rain. A lot like the Z. Very vague at the wheel and the rear end does not seem tied down at all, even in fast sweepers. Still going to attack the suspension before the tires though... hopefully more camber will make things better. Taking an interesting approach with the suspension but I will keep that under wraps.
I have to assume you are exaggerating.
RWD cars are, generally, not "scary" in the rain. Any AWD should have more stable acceleration unless there is something seriously wrong with it. If I had a car as bad as you are saying I would be trading it in ASAP, not trying to jury rig the suspension or tire setup.
Agree. The Gs are super solid from the factory, esp. with sport package.
I would check the shocks/struts. They'll start to go at 60k miles or so.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 21, 2017, 06:18:56 AM
I have to assume you are exaggerating.
RWD cars are, generally, not "scary" in the rain. Any AWD should have more stable acceleration unless there is something seriously wrong with it. If I had a car as bad as you are saying I would be trading it in ASAP, not trying to jury rig the suspension or tire setup.
Yeah, if the car has unpredictable breakaway in the rain, it's because the tires aren't progressive, which isn't uncommon for cheap tires (and even some not so cheap ones). The correct answer is to buy better tires and/or back it down in the rain. By now you should have a pretty good sense of how much it takes for the tires to come unglued in the wet.
I think the Z and the G have been your only RWD cars, no? I don't think its scariness as much as just being normal RWD behavior. It takes care in the wet in most cars like the Mustang I had and the 86 to a much lesser extent. The Miata has such good feedback it's just plain old fun in the rain.
Dude, if your vehicle is "scaring" you in the rain...once again...slow the fuck down. :facepalm:
Also :facepalm: at complaining about wet traction and then going for suspension modz over tires. Save that "scary" shit for the track days you never do.
It's not scary all the time.... just when I *gently* load it up on stuff like on/off ramps to see how it is at the limit. But the Z was the same way. It could very well be the shocks. I will get the new wheels/tires sooner, looks like these wheels sell pretty well down here.
What's the rear toe setting?
I have no idea... I will get toe dialed to zero when I get it aligned with the suspension install.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 21, 2017, 07:44:23 AM
It's not scary all the time.... just when I *gently* load it up on stuff like on/off ramps to see how it is at the limit. But the Z was the same way. It could very well be the shocks. I will get the new wheels/tires sooner, looks like these wheels sell pretty well down here.
The OEM RE050s that came with my car had substantially lower limits than the PSSes. Upgrading the tires made the car completely unflappable.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 21, 2017, 07:44:23 AM
It's not scary all the time.... just when I *gently* load it up on stuff like on/off ramps to see how it is at the limit. But the Z was the same way. It could very well be the shocks. I will get the new wheels/tires sooner, looks like these wheels sell pretty well down here.
If the car is suddenly breaking away as you load up and touch the limits on a relatively constant radius turn like a ramp, it's tires. My PZeros were like that, especially in the wet. They gave little warning of when they were about to let go; traction just suddenly disappeared and the car went sideways. A friend took my car on a damp autocross track and said the same thing (he was running a much more progressive tire on his car). Said friend had similar complaints with a set of Hankook performance tires he previously ran on his car. Great grip until they didn't, with no warning before they let go.
Tires are a lot easier to change than suspension
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 21, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
Tires are a lot easier to change than suspension
But suspension allows for the car to be lowered, so it also improves looks, while tires can only improve how it drives.
Quote from: MX793 on June 21, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
But suspension allows for the car to be lowered, so it also improves looks, while tires can only improve how it drives.
More cambers are better. It'll solve the problem.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 21, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
Tires are a lot easier to change than suspension
Tires def do way more for handling as well; the change was night and day on my Civic with stock suspension
But new tires means new wheels too.... I don't want to get rubber for these rims, as good as they look.
I still think it's just that it's RWD. And LSD if it has one.
You say every RWD car you've had is spooky in the rain...
Maybe fucking with the tire pressures to get it to stop understeering is causing it to feel spooky in the rain.
${FORTUNE_AUTO_JOKE}!!
why are you driving so fast tho
Like, I drive a FWD subcompact with fairly low limits (well prolly not as low as you'd think) and I've only felt out of control maybe twice? Even with me really caning a few BMW loaners, I've never felt out of control???? Like come on save it for the track????
It's your tires. These flash-deluge storms we get overpower the drainage quickly, and the ambient humidity helps the puddles last awhile. It's stupid easy to hydroplane if your tires are a little bald or bad in the wet. A decent set of rubber will make a night-and-day difference.
You still won't be able to see anything in front of you, but at least the brakes will work. :lol:
My friend is looking to buy a G37xS as a supplement to his STi. His will have coils, wheels, and tires before Sporty's
Why an xS if he has an STI? Tell him to get a 6MT S.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 22, 2017, 02:39:11 AM
Why an xS if he has an STI? Tell him to get a 6MT S.
He wants it for CT winters
Quote from: Cookie Monster on June 22, 2017, 02:39:11 AM
Why an xS if he has an STI? Tell him to get a 6MT S.
If anything he should get a Z or the XS and an old DSM
Quote from: 68_427 on June 21, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
My friend is looking to buy a G37xS as a supplement to his STi. His will have coils, wheels, and tires before Sporty's
I just got the car two months ago :rage:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 22, 2017, 04:00:48 AM
If anything he should get a Z or the XS and an old DSM
A Z as a quasi-luxury daily :nutty:
an old DSM :nutty: :nutty: :nutty: :nutty: :nutty:
Coilovers in but not done.... still need to get my spacers on and let them settle for the final adjustment
(http://i.imgur.com/7qJrwuw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Z2XC0WX.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/T98d9hX.png)
Early assessment: not as transformative as I thought they would be on the handling side, but a great compromise between ride and handling. We'll see how it is on the commute tomorrow
Not transformative because your tires are the "problem" in your handling setup right now.
Looks good, just needs a wash! :lol:
Stance looks very good and congrats but (sorry) I can't fathom why you did these before the tires.
I think I'm gonna do the tires sooner than later. I like the stock wheels. Doesn't look the same in photos as it does in person. And with spacers it's a very aggressive look.
(https://www.myg37.com/forums/attachments/g37-sedan/95496d1362328611-to-spacer-or-not-img_1818.jpg)
Just have to figure out the cost. Going with stock wheels + 255s all around is gonna be like $1000. The 19" setup I want is only $500 more
Front needs to be lower. You've got that speedboat look going right now.
Did I miss what Chinese colliers you chose? :lol:
Tein Basis Zs. Chinese indeed :lol: Might upgrade the shocks to Koni Yellows if these blow. But so far not bad. My gripe with other coilovers... well, aside from the price, these were <$500 new... was the spring rates were too high. These are just right (8/9K), though high speed damping could be more supple.
How did I know your mods would require mods
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 16, 2017, 01:11:58 PM
Front needs to be lower. You've got that speedboat look going right now.
Yeah profile makes it look like there is more fender gap in front. Looks good lowered though.
Cleaned up, evened out, spacer'd:
(http://i.imgur.com/948WP4r.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kdGucqU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FUznESv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cRYfNR3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/coxR3pJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AKfdmJY.jpg)
Really love the way the spacers fill things out. Also all these pics were taken with the Note 5... I'm impressed with the IQ (for this end use, haven't blown it up on the 4K monitor)
Coilovers feel good, not great. Low speed motions are well controlled; no float whatsoever. But higher speed stuff is a bit... "busy". I can definitely see these getting a bit harsh once the weather cools and the shock oil thickens up. But I'm OK with it. Definitely going to get Konis one day.
Yum
Did you get it detailed or was that a good washin?
Looks very good. I can't see any speedboat look at all.
Car looks great Sporty. :ohyeah:
Need burnout vids
Car looks very sport-y
Nice dude. What size spacers?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 19, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
Nice dude. What size spacers?
20mm
I was shocked at the difference they made... that is just 0.8"
What kind of lugnuts are on the spacers? (I assume they're bolt on)
These:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LOZDE44/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
They came with a set, but I would have had to buy a thin wall 21mm socket I knew I would probably lose. These take a regular 19mm socket and cost the same.
Ugh I should have had little pockets machined out of the back of my wheels when I had them powder coated so I could run smaller than 25mm. 20mm would be perfect for my car.
Just run extended studs with one set of nuts brah. Def more of a PITA but aside from install I feel like that's a better route.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 06:30:40 AM
Just run extended studs with one set of nuts brah. Def more of a PITA but aside from install I feel like that's a better route.
Yeah, except it's like 5x the cost lol.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 06:30:40 AM
Just run extended studs with one set of nuts brah. Def more of a PITA but aside from install I feel like that's a better route.
+1
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 20, 2017, 09:36:26 AM
Yeah, except it's like 5x the cost lol.
No way.... you get a set of spacers like these
(http://cdn.roughcountry.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/680x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/w/h/wheel-spacers_1065-small.jpg)
Then get longer wheel studs... should cost about the same. I had to get new nuts because my socket couldn't work with the ones they sent. I just went this route because changing studs is a PITA, and if I ever change my wheels I won't have to change them again.
I should've got spacers for my rear 17"s when I had my G. The worst part of wearing winter tires was the rear quarter panel's overbite.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 11:21:41 AM
No way.... you get a set of spacers like these
(http://cdn.roughcountry.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/680x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/w/h/wheel-spacers_1065-small.jpg)
Then get longer wheel studs... should cost about the same. I had to get new nuts because my socket couldn't work with the ones they sent. I just went this route because changing studs is a PITA, and if I ever change my wheels I won't have to change them again.
Yes way, I paid $440 for my ARP studs on the Miata because I didn't have a lift or a press to get the studs out.
They are definitely better than bolt on spacers but they cost significantly more as well.
Driving/detailing sporty's true dream car...a Chrysler 200.
Not a bad car. Interior is kind of a mess of angles and surfaces and buttons, but what modern interior these days isn't. The rotary shift knob is placed right next to the volume and fan speed knobs...poor fucking choice, IMO. Rides good, engine revs out nicely (pretty sure this one's a 4-pot), and the 8-speed is pretty meh...seems confused sometimes like when you're going from coasting to back on the gas when turning at a light or something, it's like "oh shit, didn't see that coming, better pick a gear...uhhhh, 3rd!"
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 20, 2017, 12:44:11 PM
Yes way, I paid $440 for my ARP studs on the Miata because I didn't have a lift or a press to get the studs out.
They are definitely better than bolt on spacers but they cost significantly more as well.
Fuck dude, you could have bought a press for that.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 20, 2017, 01:13:23 PM
Fuck dude, you could have bought a press for that.
Yeah but I couldn't even get the hubs out with the car on stands since there was no room for me to even swing a hammer.
Point is, if you want studs, more than likely you'll have to either buy specific (and expensive) tools or get a shop to do it, both of which are much more expensive than bolt on spacers.
I did mine with a hammer iirc
Maybe it's different for different cars. For the G/Z you bang them out with a hammer, and then pull them back in with a nut and spacer :huh: I think with Hondas you could unbolt the hub and do the same.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
Maybe it's different for different cars. For the G/Z you bang them out with a hammer, and then pull them back in with a nut and spacer :huh: I think with Hondas you could unbolt the hub and do the same.
Ahh yes I used the nut trick to install the new ones.
Re: handling
Tires are still crap, but I do think part of it was possibly an alignment issue. Most G's dropped this much have -1.5-2 camber all around, and that really seems to have helped. Before any kind of low speed aggression would equate to tire squeals. But now it's a legit "bro stop being an idiot" alert. That is awesome as now I think I can probably make do with 245s all around and have the grip I want. Also thinking about an RSB... damping and springs feel good but the back is just a hair roly poly. I still have to get the toe aligned all around but this move def helped
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
Maybe it's different for different cars. For the G/Z you bang them out with a hammer, and then pull them back in with a nut and spacer :huh: I think with Hondas you could unbolt the hub and do the same.
On the miata the hubs have to come out. Can't just smack the studs out without removing the hubs first.
You got the camber aligned but not the toe? :confused:
I haven't got anything aligned. Stop reaching
Do cars with struts gain camber when lowered? I know my ye olde Outback doesn't (looks kind of weird with almost no camber while still being low). I know cars with real suspension (:lol:) do gain camber but I'm not very experienced with struts.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 24, 2017, 12:07:27 PM
Do cars with struts gain camber when lowered? I know my ye olde Outback doesn't (looks kind of weird with almost no camber while still being low). I know cars with real suspension (:lol:) do gain camber but I'm not very experienced with struts.
Mine did. I don't remember the front but it gained like -1.5 in the rear. I'm probably at almost 3 in the front after adjustments
Quote from: 68_427 on July 24, 2017, 12:08:11 PM
Mine did. I don't remember the front but it gained like -1.5 in the rear. I'm probably at almost 3 in the front after adjustments
Yeah, but the rear is some sort of strut/multi link thing. I have some decent camber in the rear as well, but if I understand correctly that's why on our cars the front coilovers come with camber plates while the rears don't (I think).
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
I haven't got anything aligned. Stop reaching
So the coilovers didn't fix anything, but the alignment that you didn't do fixed your handling problems...?
Where did he say the coilovers didn't fix anything?
If lowering his car does pick up camber naturally then that itself would help with handling. :huh:
(that was the point of my question though).
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 24, 2017, 12:07:27 PM
Do cars with struts gain camber when lowered? I know my ye olde Outback doesn't (looks kind of weird with almost no camber while still being low). I know cars with real suspension (:lol:) do gain camber but I'm not very experienced with struts.
From what I've seen, struts + lowering = positive camber. Think about what happens with the LCA (outer end gets closer to the car). From what I've seen though most strut coilover kits have camber adjustability built into the body. Range on the Civic let me get to about -1.5-2 up front.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
So the coilovers didn't fix anything, but the alignment that you didn't do fixed your handling problems...?
:facepalm:
Lowering the car changes the alignment. I lowered the front end an additional 1/2" or so from the initial install, which appears to have increased front negative camber and given the front end more grip. I still have to get it properly aligned though. Did you actually work for Bilstein or not?
Camber gain just depends on the overall geometry. Double wish one can gain positive camber if the spindle is shorter than the vertical distance between control arm mounts. That's how my car is stock. Newer cars have tall spindles to fix that.
I think all that matters for the camber curve on a DWB setup are the relative angles and lengths of the 2 arms. If you have two arms of the same length parallel to each other I don't see how spindle height would change camber for example. Most if not all modern DWB type cars have a SLA setup which will result in more negative camber as you go low
More importantly lol @ Mr.H getting womp womped.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
Tires are still crap, but I do think part of it was possibly an alignment issue. Most G's dropped this much have -1.5-2 camber all around, and that really seems to have helped.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
I haven't got anything aligned. Stop reaching
:huh:
From the end of that same post
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
I still have to get the toe aligned all around
RIF
You and r0tor are sister wives.
How did you know the alignment was the issue and you fixed it and have 1.5-2.0 of camber all around if you didn't get an alignment?
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
How did you know the alignment was the issue and you fixed it and have 1.5-2.0 of camber all around if you didn't get an alignment?
Where did I say I knew the alignment was the issue?
People who have dropped similar amounts and posted their pre-corrected alignment specs saw negative camber increases of -1 to -1.5 degrees at both ends (stock is -0.5/-1.5 F/R). When I lowered the front again after putting the spacers on front end grip increased. All on the POS Nexens :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2017, 02:03:09 PM
Where did I say I knew the alignment was the issue?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
Tires are still crap, but I do think part of it was possibly an alignment issue. Most G's dropped this much have -1.5-2 camber all around, and that really seems to have helped.
Thinking something = declaring it as fact?
Dude he never said anything... He typed it :popcorn:
"Show me where I said it!"
"Right here"
"Ok, but just because I said it doesn't mean I'm not wrong!"
Well, this is pedantic.
I enjoy a good LOL at something dumb sporty says from time to time, but this seems like a reach. What did he say that is so unbelievable? That he probably gained camber? Or that the car handles better? Or that he needs an alignment?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on July 24, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
I enjoy a good LOL at something dumb sporty says from time to time, but this seems like a reach. What did he say that is so unbelievable? That he probably gained camber? Or that the car handles better? Or that he needs an alignment?
Well, I tell you hwut. When I got back from my honeymoon with my wife my first thought wasn't to log on to the 'SPIN to seek the attention of another man ;) But whatever floats MrH's boat :huh:
So quiet... why?
After wheels/tires, what should I do.... exhaust, or subwoofer? I'm leaning towards the sub.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 26, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
So quiet... why?
After wheels/tires, what should I do.... exhaust, or subwoofer? I'm leaning towards the sub.
You're trolling again, aren't ya?
No I really am trying to decide between the two.
Subwoofer in the exhaust.
Soundaktor
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 24, 2017, 04:02:10 PM
Well, I tell you hwut. When I got back from my honeymoon with my wife my first thought wasn't to log on to the 'SPIN to seek the attention of another man ;) But whatever floats MrH's boat :huh:
First time looking at the spin in a few weeks. Couldn't resist pointing out silly sportyisms.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 26, 2017, 11:06:43 AM
You're trolling again, aren't ya?
(http://www.trollsonline.com/storefront/images/nyform/069_nyform_troll.jpg)
He's gonna catch himself a MrH
I was kinda confused about the alignment thing too. Definitely wasn't clear. :huh:
I'd do subwoofer first.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 26, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
I was kinda confused about the alignment thing too. Definitely wasn't clear. :huh:
- Buys stock G37
- Claims car is a handful in the rain
- Buy coilovers and installs them
- Claims the alignment fixed the issue
- Never had an alignment done before or after coilover install.
- Still riding on cheapo Chinese tires
:lol: I just can't follow the thought process of sporty, as usual.
Yes, the change in alignment from lowering the car (more negative camber) seems to have added more grip at both ends. But I still need to get it properly aligned. Not difficult to follow, but for reasons previously stated you lose your ability to think and process information whenever we interact.
:muffin: Finally worked through the algebra on the Helmoltz resonator equations.
(http://i.imgur.com/D18lIdw.jpg)
This is the math/physics used to create these kinds of exhausts:
(https://www.redline360.com/image/cache/data/brands/hks/exhaust/hi-power/scion/hks-hi-power-exhaust-scion-xb-32019-BT001-500x500.jpg)
That little can acts as a resonator that cancels out drone. By being able to control the frequency and bandwidth of what gets cancelled out (since exhaust temps vary with operating and ambient temps), you can get a much more.... expressive tone without the drone. There are already several exhausts like this for the G but I want to design one to my own parameters (2.5" true dual piping, flexibility to add an X pipe and/or resonators down the line) for less than what these systems go for ($1000+). Gonna start with the piping and flanges feeding conventional turbo mufflers, and then get the Helmholtz resonator mufflers fabbed and try them out. Should be fun and hopefully cheap.
Yeah, getting custom stainless steel stuff fabbed up for you is always cheap.
Oh no we are going with cheapo regular exhaust shop piping. I never understood why people got shiny ass exhausts. As long as it's rustproof I'm good
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 31, 2017, 08:11:48 AM
Yeah, getting custom stainless steel stuff fabbed up for you is always cheap.
:lol:
I never said anything about getting it fabbed in stainless steel.
A guy on the SVX page has been slowly adding them to his exhaust and it sounds amazing.
Well, when I put a Tanabe exhaust on the G, it hurt part throttle response (esp. from a standstill) and it affected part throttle shifting (made it sluggish and hesitant). It wasn't huge but if you're a car guy you'll notice it. It did sound good however (better IMO).
Quote from: GoCougs on July 31, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
Well, when I put a Tanabe exhaust on the G, it hurt part throttle response (esp. from a standstill) and it affected part throttle shifting (made it sluggish and hesitant). It wasn't huge but if you're a car guy you'll notice it. It did sound good however (better IMO).
Oooo that's not what I wanted to hear. Was it a full catback or just their axleback?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 31, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
I never said anything about getting it fabbed in stainless steel.
My mistake. You posted a pic of a stainless steel exhaust as an example of what you wanted to do.
Quote from: GoCougs on July 31, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
Well, when I put a Tanabe exhaust on the G, it hurt part throttle response (esp. from a standstill) and it affected part throttle shifting (made it sluggish and hesitant). It wasn't huge but if you're a car guy you'll notice it. It did sound good however (better IMO).
The most shocking thing about this is learning you replaced an OEM component with something from the dreaded aftermarket.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 31, 2017, 10:35:04 AM
The most shocking thing about this is learning you replaced an OEM component with something from the dreaded aftermarket.
the aftermarket
TM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 31, 2017, 08:23:12 AM
Oh no we are going with cheapo regular exhaust shop piping. I never understood why people got shiny ass exhausts. As long as it's rustproof I'm good
Nope, not stainless :hmm:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 31, 2017, 10:35:04 AM
The most shocking thing about this is learning you replaced an OEM component with something from the dreaded aftermarket.
And it turned out to be a terrible idea ;).
Quote from: r0tor on July 31, 2017, 02:50:17 PM
Nope, not stainless :hmm:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41p95YldhIL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg)
Like the weird resonators on intakes, I think it will take some work/experimentation to get it just right.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 31, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41p95YldhIL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg)
Good luck with that... Especially on the inside of the exhaust :popcorn:
First rain drive.... wow. Need new tires and an alignment ASAP. May have to move the new wheel situation up a lot sooner. Picking wheels is hard AF though. I wanted to keep it on the low but fuck it. All of these would either come in hyper silver or be painted to match the OEM wheel color in 19x9.5 or 19x10:
GT350 reps ($800 + tires):
(https://cfc7329ad537523a5de1-b21544d490ba797ec9de9d17e947de3d.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/sve-166013_458c365d.jpg)
BBS FI reps ($700 + tires):
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/pinyisgone/IMG_1485_zpsgwzjizgf.jpg)
Avant Garde M590 (HRE ??? reps... shown in 20".... $1200 + tires):
(http://www.avantgardewheels.com/customers/sort%20by%20car/infiniti/Q40%20(G37%20Sedan)/M590/Infiniti%20G37%20Sedan%20(White)%20-%20Satin%20Silver%20M590/slides/20141107_144937.jpg)
Niche Misano ($900 + tires):
(https://www.carid.com/images/niche/wheels/niche-misano-monotec-series-custom-painted.jpg)
(http://images.nicheroadwheels.com/images/gallery/niche-misano-bmw-1.jpg-800.jpg)
I'm not really partial to any one way or the other besides the GT350 replicas. I might just get the FI reps... here is *approximately* how they will look on the G:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XlsAAOSwRQlXdcas/s-l1600.jpg)
I still love how R35 GT-R wheels fit... but I'm not about that 20" life
(http://i.imgur.com/3yfEg5k.png)
What do you think
A 10" wide wheel? What are your trying to run, 300 section width tires?!?
Wouldn't go wider than 9 unless you're planning to run 275+ width tires.
Max recommended width on 9s is 265.
http://www.tyresizecalculator.com/charts/tire-width-for-a-wheel-rim-size-chart
I want to be in that recommended width range... not a fan of the bulged or stretched sidewall look. I'm looking to run a square 255-275 setup with BFG Comp 2 A/Ss. Difference between 255 & 275 is like $80 at all 4 corners.
...but you said you wanted 9.5-10", not 9. :nutty:
Personally, I'd go square 255s on 9" wheels. Cheaper and more flexibility (can rotate tires front to rear). A 255 with a decently sticky tire is more than enough tire for the G's power level.
Quote from: MX793 on August 07, 2017, 08:52:37 AM
Personally, I'd go square 255s on 9" wheels. Cheaper and more flexibility (can rotate tires front to rear). A 255 with a decently sticky tire is more than enough tire for the G's power level.
FWIW that is what I had on my S4. It was difficult to lose traction (in anything other than snow) with 60% rear-biased AWD and ~330 HP. RWD of course will lose traction easier during acceleration but should be fine overall if you have decent tires.
275 on 9.5" works great too.
Yea I'd rather do 275 all seasons than 255 summers, esp with all the rain we get. A/S seem to be better in the rain.
You can fit 10's up front?
Good to know. :lol:
255 on a 10 is slightly stretched btw. Just barely.
I have 245s on a 9.5" wheels... But they are Michelin PSS's which seem to run a good 1" wider then other tires of its size
Some stretch is present
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 07, 2017, 09:25:28 AM
FWIW that is what I had on my S4. It was difficult to lose traction (in anything other than snow) with 60% rear-biased AWD and ~330 HP. RWD of course will lose traction easier during acceleration but should be fine overall if you have decent tires.
I ran 255 square on my last Mustang, which was very similar in power and performance to the G. They were summer tires, but a performance tier down from the MPSS or PZero. Dry grip was probably closer to the top-tier performance A/S tires. You could break them loose if you wanted to, but you had to be consciously trying. Or driving like a complete moron. Absolutely more than adequate for a G.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 07, 2017, 10:17:16 AM
You can fit 10's up front?
Good to know. :lol:
255 on a 10 is slightly stretched btw. Just barely.
I think the widest you can do up front on the sedan is 10.5". Lot of people running that square at ~+40
Quote from: MX793 on August 07, 2017, 10:35:02 AM
I ran 255 square on my last Mustang, which was very similar in power and performance to the G. They were summer tires, but a performance tier down from the MPSS or PZero. Dry grip was probably closer to the top-tier performance A/S tires. You could break them loose if you wanted to, but you had to be consciously trying. Or driving like a complete moron. Absolutely more than adequate for a G.
Dry grip isn't an issue even with the current shitty Nexens.... where A/S will do better is in the wet and cold. And based on Tire rack's tests UHP A/S are not far off from UHP summer tires in the dry either. I think where they might fall flat is in feel but FM cars have shit steering no matter what.
275s up front will tramline something fierce. Not to mention increased noise, and worse fuel economy. For street driving a G, even spirited street driving, 255 square is more than adequate. It's adequate for autocrossing at the casual level.
I swear I look like a drunk driver driving the Miata over some of the shittier roads around here. :lol:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 07, 2017, 12:19:47 PM
I swear I look like a drunk driver driving the Miata over some of the shittier roads around here. :lol:
That's how I feel on a windy day with no sway bars.
OK, wheel/tire and more importantly ALIGNMENT plans are getting pushed up... first week of September
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXjWalPgMAcx5E0swnYug_CESZjpww-JhoWbx40/
But I thought your coilovers fixed all your handling issues? :devil:
In the dry, yes.
Hopefully I will have the new wheels/tires by the end of the month. Decided on everything. Have to see where the alignment is sitting now to see if I need camber kits as well.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 16, 2017, 08:40:07 AM
Hopefully I will have the new wheels/tires by the end of the month. Decided on everything. Have to see where the alignment is sitting now to see if I need camber kits as well.
Which wheels/tires did you end up going with? I don't recall seeing it posted previously.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 16, 2017, 09:57:17 AM
Which wheels/tires did you end up going with? I don't recall seeing it posted previously.
Haven't said yet. Going to keep you guys in suspense :lol:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 16, 2017, 09:57:17 AM
Which wheels/tires did you end up going with? I don't recall seeing it posted previously.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 16, 2017, 10:44:29 AM
Haven't :popcorn: yet. Going to keep you guys in suspense :lol:
We know you well enough.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NHi7DaSAzTU/maxresdefault.jpg)
Good god. Please remove that image of muffin tins out of my thread.
If the wheels can't handle 355 width, fuck 'em.
Brotas
Wheels order't.... company I ordered from texted me like "are you sure?" :mask:
3 piece teddy bear rims
Quote from: r0tor on August 18, 2017, 06:44:01 PM
3 piece teddy bear rims
I would chip in if he did. :lol:
Wow, that was fast. Wheels are local... but they delivered to USPS :facepalm: If I'm not home when they have them out I will have to get them Saturday. Doesn't matter as I have to special order my tires anyway.
This is some poor vaguebooking.
Quote from: MrH on August 21, 2017, 01:06:53 PM
This is some poor vaguebooking.
And yet, here you are.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/21042227_749292585270748_3553859913002254336_n.jpg)
Wheels should be here Monday
Look at those no performance (season) tires :devil:
Yeah come on mang. Even my wagon now is on sticky tires.
Guys, how many times do I have to bitch slap this silly summer tire myth? The only upside to summer tires on the street is being able to say "PSS" when Matt Farah asks you what you're running on his one takes. They're no better in the wet/dry and lunch trays in the cold/snow, while costing way more and wearing a lot faster. Here are some test results from the same car (F30 328i) in the same time of year below.... just saving this to my Imgur for the next time people wanna hate.
Gawdly super sticky summer tires:
(http://i.imgur.com/AFvk6mD.png)
Awful useless UHP A/S:
(http://i.imgur.com/jWSqnrH.png)
So for Michelin I see worse numbers in everything but wet braking, and in my size the PSS was cheaper.
We are picking nits. That slight drop off is worth not having to pay for/store/swap between an extra set of wheels and tires just to drive on the street.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 27, 2017, 08:59:18 AM
Guys, how many times do I have to bitch slap this silly summer tire myth? The only upside to summer tires on the street is being able to say "PSS" when Matt Farah asks you what you're running on his one takes. They're no better in the wet/dry and lunch trays in the cold/snow, while costing way more and wearing a lot faster. Here are some test results from the same car (F30 328i) in the same time of year below.... just saving this to my Imgur for the next time people wanna hate.
Gawdly super sticky summer tires:
(http://i.imgur.com/AFvk6mD.png)
Awful useless UHP A/S:
(http://i.imgur.com/jWSqnrH.png)
Nice job cherry picking the worst tire rack UHP summer tires test results. Those tests were held on different days and weather and track conditions. A green track surface makes a huge difference in performance (worse).
In any test were a summer and a performance AS have been compared on the same day, same conditions, the summer has been better in all conditions but cold/snow, and by significant margin.
But guys, sporty lives in a Carolina. Winters are harsh.
Quote from: MX793 on August 27, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
Nice job cherry picking the worst tire rack UHP summer tires test results. Those tests were held on different days and weather and track conditions. A green track surface makes a huge difference in performance (worse).
In any test were a summer and a performance AS have been compared on the same day, same conditions, the summer has been better in all conditions but cold/snow, and by significant margin.
Cherry picking what lmao. Of the two tires in question (DWS06, PSS) these are the only tests Tire Rack has performed. They're on the same exact car, same roads, same track/surfaces, same time of year. What more do you want?
Even if there is a "huge" difference, and we have to come to a consensus on what "huge" constitutes, UHP A/S are good enough
for the street. I had summer tires on the Z. The difference is not that big unless you are at the track, which I won't be :huh:
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 27, 2017, 11:37:00 AM
But guys, sporty lives in a Carolina. Winters are harsh.
Did you run summer tires year round on your A4?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 27, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Did you run summer tires year round on your A4?
What does that have to do with anything? And no, I ran all-seasons all the time. Because we have all seasons.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 27, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Cherry picking what lmao. Of the two tires in question (DWS06, PSS) these are the only tests Tire Rack has performed. They're on the same exact car, same roads, same track/surfaces, same time of year. What more do you want?
Even if there is a "huge" difference, and we have to come to a consensus on what "huge" constitutes, UHP A/S are good enough for the street. I had summer tires on the Z. The difference is not that big unless you are at the track, which I won't be :huh:
Did you run summer tires year round on your A4?
No, there are at least three PSS test over the past 5 years. Last time this came up, I posted a summary of all recent uhp summer and AS tires from tire rack with links. Those two that you like to cite are outliers.
Same time of year and same track don't mean same conditions (either temperature or track condition). Yesterday we barely broke 70F. A week ago, it was in the high 80s. That makes a huge difference.
Additionally, same track doesn't mean same race surface. A "green" surface, one in which all of the residual rubber has been cleaned off, offers significantly less grip than one that's "seasoned". If there had been heavy rains the day or two before the test, the surface would be green.
Those aren't even "super sticky" summers... All of those have a treadwear of 300...
The DWSs have a treadwear rating of 560..... and cost less.... and grip like 95% as well.... and won't require space in garage I don't have, or time 2x/yr I don't want to spend to swap out......
FFS..... here is the exact convo we had when I got tires for the Civic 2 years ago, which by the way still have most of their tread after like 40K miles. The parameters haven't changed.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 31, 2015, 04:42:54 PM
Some summer tires have good rain tread/compounds. I really don't need anything super aggressive. Point about the city shutting down is legit too, I have worked from home both times lol. But it does get below freezing down here. We were in the single digits for a few weeks. I want a summerish tread pattern with an all season compound.
Quote from: MX793 on October 31, 2015, 08:36:14 PM
Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 or BFG Ge-Force Comp-2 A/S. Both highly rated on Tire Rack in the Ultra Hi-Po all season category and prices aren't too bad either.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 02, 2015, 06:02:48 AM
So UHP A/S would be better than a milder summer tire? I heard summer tires have better wet traction.
I have checked out TireRack's test reports.... pretty damn good. I will dig in.
Quote from: MX793 on November 02, 2015, 06:12:08 AM
My experience is that summers work pretty well in the rain. But when temperatures start dipping into the 40s, or colder, grip levels are significantly reduced. And driving at freezing or sub freezing temps can damage a summer compound tire.
Nothing has changed about my commute or NC weather. So I'm confused as to why UHP A/Ss were OK then, but not now.... aware me brahs :hmm:
Not saying that UHP A/S aren't suitable to your needs. Disagree with the assertion that they are effectively just as grippy as summers or that they are superior in the rain. Neither is true, and many a test has shown that. WRT wet performance, average Tire Rack data shows that the performance gap between A/S and Summer tires actually grows (summers being better) when the surface gets wet.
The ultimate problem with all seasons are they self destruct if you try to drive on them hard for an extended period of time. Even a few auto-x runs will have them chunking. Forget about a track day.
For just cruising on roads they are OK.
Thats all I'm doing. DWS06s held up great on the Civic.
My DWS never had a problem during autox.
But can you put a price on doing as much as you can to avoid killer street oversteer? That .02G may save your life.
:lol:
Yeah I was joking about your "weak" tires until you came out yelling and screaming that you know better than everyone else.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 27, 2017, 08:34:24 PM
But can you put a price on doing as much as you can to avoid killer street oversteer? That .02G may save your life.
Very true :hmm:
Quote from: 68_427 on August 27, 2017, 09:49:32 PM
Yeah I was joking about your "weak" tires until you came out yelling and screaming that you know better than everyone else.
A decade plus of posting here has put me on the perpetual defensive. My bad :huh:
Out for delivery today :mask:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 28, 2017, 07:17:55 AM
A decade plus of posting here has put me on the perpetual defensive. My bad :huh:
Out for delivery today :mask:
Maybe lower a raised wagon next. People seem to have stopped caring about that one :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on August 28, 2017, 01:01:02 PM
Maybe lower a raised wagon next. People seem to have stopped caring about that one :lol:
NOT ME DAMMITT!!!!!!! :rage: :heated: :banghead: :lol:
This is FBC v2.0 basically.
Yo where's the reveal.
There are other Big Things™ going on today
Track day.
HE took the wheels to get mounted during the week though. Even 56k internet isn't that slow
Quote from: 68_427 on September 02, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
HE took the wheels to get mounted during the week though. Even 56k internet isn't that slow
With all the money he saved by buying reps you'd think he could afford faster internet.
We ran into some snags :)
Rears are OK, but the fronts needed 10mm spacers. :facepalm: 10mm spacers need extended studs. :facepalm: Spacers/studs I ordered were sent to my old apartment. :facepalm: So I have to untangle it all. First step is to go get the parts from my old apartment, and then get the new studs in. Hopefully I'll have it all sorted out this week. At the minimum I want to get the rears on to drive in the rain.
damn you need a 10mm?
I probably could have got away with a 7mm. I tried a 5mm and it was still too tight :(
There are people running 9.5 +22-25 up front on sedans though.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5753/20674440011_5cf9303692_b.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5684/20658514212_7c5d1452f4_b.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/658/20480996539_a94ff5f7d5_b.jpg)
(https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.myg37.com-vbulletin/1616x1080/80-img_20161001_182200_30035680611_o_6478143f6a817ee35d00251111a221e93fc96f41.jpg)
(https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.myg37.com-vbulletin/1080x1080/80-img_20161003_190039_30084881726_o_ea29a5ba7e32391ba1b18b2040306c7535bee952.jpg)
But that is like the absolute limit. Praying I don't need to get fenders roll't.
With the tires that close to the fender, you're going to have to roll 5sure. That purple car has a slight pull in fact.
With enough camber you may be able to get away with a slight roll but even then I wouldn't be so sure.
Why not just spec wheels that fit instead of f'in around with spacers
Because stance is life bro.
OK, I gotta get the ball rolling on this shit. Friday night, gonna take off all my wheels and go get the new shits mounted. Then while they're doing that, swap the front studs to get the spacers on. What a mess :facepalm: But it's going to be so sick once it's all together.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2017, 08:11:03 AM
OK, I gotta get the ball rolling on this shit. Friday night, gonna take off all my wheels and go get the new shits mounted. Then while they're doing that, swap the front studs to get the spacers on. What a mess :facepalm: But it's going to be so sick once it's all together.
Sounds like a fun Friday night. :lol:
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:
I'm waiting for the "FML guys I have to pull my fenders" post.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride. The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see. There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 03, 2017, 09:50:16 AM
But that is like the absolute limit. Praying I don't need to get fenders roll't.
WUT :confused:
that would be wacky. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride. The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see. There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.
Yeah, that's gonna be a PITA. There's a reason I have mud flaps on my truck, and it isn't necessarily for style.
Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride. The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see. There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.
This reduces street cred.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
Yeah, that's gonna be a PITA. There's a reason I have mud flaps on my truck, and it isn't necessarily for style.
I want mudflaps, but for style reasons. :lol:
Three words:
Stretch.
And.
Poke.
Can't wait to see the first ever G37 stanced on Giovanni wheels.
I haven't been keeping track. Is he putting coil-overs on it?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 09:54:26 AM
I'm waiting for the "FML guys I have to pull my fenders" post.
I'm gonna jack up a rear corner tonight and really see how much clearance I have once the tire begins to tuck. Front tires will need an extra half an inch and the back won't change.
Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride. The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see. There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.
My back tires are already essentially flush with the fender and I haven't noticed any extra grime or damage.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
I'm gonna jack up a rear corner tonight and really see how much clearance I have once the tire begins to tuck. Front tires will need an extra half an inch and the back won't change.
My back tires are already essentially flush with the fender and I haven't noticed any extra grime or damage.
Back tires don't steer.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:
I'm in.
What's the final setup actually? What coilovers, what kind of drop, alignment specs, etc? Wheel & tire size? Sounds like pretty aggressive stancing. If that's the case, I don't think handling dynamics are necessarily the end goal.
Won't the car be extra oversteery with almost an extra inch of track width up front?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 12:22:59 PM
Won't the car be extra oversteery with almost an extra inch of track width up front?
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that? :lol: They had a huge difference between front and rear track.
Final setup will probably be:
- 19x9.5 +35 wheels and 255/40 tires square forever
- Reasonable alignment specs (~-1.5/-1.75 camber F/R, zero toe)
- Tein Flex Zs (Basic Zs are actually really good on the street but just a hair soft. Would be nice to have adjustable damping too)
Goals for this were, in order of priority
- Aggressive fitment
- Reasonable cost of operation/ownership (so no 305s or w/e, no super sticky fast wearing tires, no crazy alignment; square tires were mandatory)
- Good handling/ride balance
- Low road noise (so again no super wide tires)
I think it will work. I was just foiled by the OEM BBK; it's always a crapshoot with that. I would have thought a low offset wheel would mean MORE clearance, but that was not the case.
Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that? :lol: They had a huge difference between front and rear track.
Yeah, for ultimate FWD cornering grip and mega s/c 3.8 utilization.
They also did it back in the day on the Bonneville. Google "Pontiac Wide Track."
Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that? :lol: They had a huge difference between front and rear track.
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.
"Wide-Track" was an old Pontiac ad campaign going back to the '50s, and it was more marketing pap than anything. Latter-day Grand Prix GXPs had a wider track in front to accommodate the 5.3 L V8, but regular V6-powered Grand Prixs did not. Pretty sure the Impala SS and Bonneville GXP did too.
EDIT:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 01:52:14 PM
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.
255 vs. 225. As far as I know that's where they got the extra axle track from: wider, deeper wheels. I don't know that the underlying suspension was any different between V6 and V8-powered Grand Prixs but I don't think so.
Why in the world would you run more camber in the rear then front?
That's how the suspension geometry works. I might get a camber kit for the rear
Remind me to get more popcorn :popcorn:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 01:52:14 PM
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.
It was suppose to help with torque steer..........
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 07, 2017, 06:03:31 PM
It was suppose to help with torque steer..........
The staggered tires helped with terminal understeer. Wheels/tires don't affect torque steer (that's up to halfshaft and suspension geometry).
Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 06:12:39 PM
The staggered tires helped with terminal understeer. Wheels/tires don't affect torque steer (that's up to halfshaft and suspension geometry).
This article on the V8 Grand Prix states Torque Steer AND Understeer.....
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/pontiac-grand-prix-gxp-road-test
I need a wash but this is in response to all the snark and sarcasm over my car's rear end scariness:
Rear tires:
(https://i.imgur.com/fObH1GZ.jpg)
I think the dealership I bought the car from probably threw on some takeoffs. But I'm gonna vaguebook for another couple of hours... get some clean sunset pics
Your rear camber is screwed
Quote from: r0tor on September 08, 2017, 05:34:16 PM
Your rear camber is screwed
Nah mang that's the street cred you see.
Welp... here it is. Man my paint is so fucked
(https://i.imgur.com/AtoCi6E.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SABz2Fp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/354Jkye.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RVN3iPM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BCgozkX.jpg)
First impressions.... pretty good. Steering is surprisingly noticeably more responsive and it digs a lot better out of corners. A little more road noise and choppiness in the ride but nothing crazy. I did have the right idea with the width/offset... right now the front is a little more cholo than I'd like. I might drop the front and raise the rear just a tad, but overall I'm happy. No rubbing either bitches.... god damn it, all I do is win :hammerhead: :pee:
Next set of wheels though, I will definitely make sure they clear that front BBK. Probably do 19x9.5 +40 with confirmed clearance.
How are you not eating your fenders with that poke?
By the grace of God hijo
Runs bald tires. Wonders why he gets scared. Gets mad at everyone for calling him a dumbass for running bald tires and scaring himself.
It was no wonder. I posted a pic of them before, and got new tires :huh: Dial back the snark just a hair, nobody likes a try hard.
I'll try, but I'm not a fan of black over chrome. Can't tell if it's a poser stance car or a camry on coillvers.
Looks good :ohyeah:
As an aside; your headlights seems to be aimed super low.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 07, 2017, 07:00:45 PM
This article on the V8 Grand Prix states Torque Steer AND Understeer.....
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/pontiac-grand-prix-gxp-road-test
The width wasn't for torque steer. They selected a tire with a very specific sidewall/casing construction to minimize torque steer (article notes that the wider tires/track actually would have normally increased torque steer).
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 09, 2017, 09:18:51 AM
As an aside; your headlights seems to be aimed super low.
+1
I thought you sold the Civic?
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 09, 2017, 08:17:43 AM
I'll try, but I'm not a fan of black over chrome. Can't tell if it's a poser stance car or a camry on coillvers.
You're not a fan of anything though, which I def took into consideration before this decision.
Quote from: Xer0 on September 09, 2017, 10:58:36 AM
I thought you sold the Civic?
Not yet. Just haven't had the time to prep it. But it should go on the market this month.
On a black car is one of the few instances I find chrome tolerable.
Are they chrome? They look like polished metal in those pics
Looks good. But the key question:
Is it still a widow maker?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2017, 11:49:36 AM
Are they chrome? They look like polished metal in those pics
Yea they are polished. A hair too blingy for me, but the other options weren't as good IMO. I hate black on black; black on bronze is a little too dark, and they had a kind of black chrome that looked OK but cost a good bit more. Truthfully I'm a fan of the OEM wheel color so I may go over this with that. But for now this works.
Wow... Never seen those wheels before... - sigh-
On a side note, I see you have the customery 6" of wheel weights associated with continental tires.
Wheels aren't to my taste, but the height looks good and works with them.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2017, 07:30:44 PM
By the grace of God hijo
Have you taken corners hard yet? Maybe you haven't compressed the suspension enough...
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2017, 02:09:38 PM
Have you taken corners hard yet? Maybe you haven't compressed the suspension enough...
Or go over a good bump with the wheels turned. I'm surprised I haven't crunched my fenders yet.
It does look like there is some contact, but it's very slight. I'm going to get a camber kit at all 4 corners and just go a little more negative up front. It looks like out back is where the chewing happens, so I will get that more upright. -2 all around is probably a little aggressive for the street but should be manageable. I had the Civic at -1.5 all around and it did well with tire wear
That rice addiction dies hard. :lol:
I'm a tuner boi, not ashamed.
I'm -2.5 front and -2 rear. Tire wear is perfectly fine.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7357/26823078293_2c8e7d9dda_b.jpg)
You do realize that in a RWD car, the preference should be to run less camber in the rear so you actually have straight line grip right?
Yes, and I will probably run more camber up front. I just said otherwise to trigger you, and it worked :ohyeah: I have to raise the rear a hair anyway so that will probably get me in the ballpark.
Front def rubs but it's at like full compression. So a hair more camber up front should do it. I've run aggressive camber in the past w/o too much of an issue with tire wear.
Tire wear is more of a camber + toe (dynamically loaded) issue then just camber
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2017, 08:13:05 PM
I'm a tuner boi, not ashamed.
I'm not a huge fan of how wide they look outside the fenders, but I'm diggin the new sig pic anyway. :ohyeah:
Not a G fan, but it looks pretty good. Gotta do something about that grille though. A bit vapid looking.
Sporty, what are your spring rates again? Any concerns of rubbing in the back when loaded with people and things?
9k/8k. Definitely a concern. I think the rear perches are at max height too. I'm going to try a longer 9k (well 500lb) spring out back. Raising the rear will also give me some camber back. Stance is slightly boaty
How does it ride with those rates? From your sig pic the stance looks really good.
I actually didn't lower my wagon as much as I wanted to, especially in the rear, just so I wouldn't rub. Combined with my less aggressive fitment I can load up the car as much as I want and not rub, which is nice.
It actually rides pretty nicely. It can get busy on bad pavement but for the most part it's a lot more comfortable than it looks. I rarely have rear passengers so rubbing isn't that big of a concern, but I do want to get subs eventually and the rear is already too low. This kit is really for coupes and the 370Z so I'm not surprised that its sitting low. But so far so good, eve with the new wheels. Roads are good here though.
Do your coilovers not have independent height and preload adjustment? You have to set the ride height through preload? If they do have independent adjustment, how would a longer spring help raise the rear?
You could get longer studs and tophat spacers between the body and top hat. People do that all the time for Subaru wagons (saggy butt spacers) when they put sedan coilovers on the heavier wagon. I think people go full ghetto and just make them out of cutting boards or other similar materials (Delrin?). :lol:
These are cheapo, so ride height and preload are all one bag. The rear suspension has the shock and coil separate, so I don't know that a top hat spacer for the spring even exist. Rear could be a hair stiffer anyway so I might as well get new springs.
It does look like they have coil spring spacers though which would be cheaper. But I'd be afraid of them making the back squishy. I have to check and see if I have any more height on the perch first though.
Huh, I didn't realize they had separate coil and spring (so you don't have coilovers, then, at least in the back).
I guess I take back everything I just said. :lol:
How does one adjust preload independently of ride height?
Quote from: MX793 on September 13, 2017, 10:43:28 AM
How does one adjust preload independently of ride height?
The shock body is threaded, with the spring on a perch (for pre load) and then a threaded.... something that the shock sits in and connects to the shock mount on the LCA/knuckle.
(https://cdna1.zoeysite.com/Adzpo594RQGDpLcjBynL1z/cache=expiry:31536000/compress/https://s3.amazonaws.com/zcom-media/sites/a0iE000000GDpYmIAL/media/catalog/product/f/o/fortune_auto_gen_6_500_series_coilover_dsg_performance_1.jpg)
^Yeah, that's what I have. You want to set your preload first before messing with ride height though since changing the preload will still change your ride height, but at least with the lower threaded mount you can adjust that to compensate for ride height.
I don't even like messing with preload. I would hope that the manufacturer would send it out at the right height at all corners to enable the shock to always be in its optimal working range. That is exactly why I don't like coilovers like mine.
I just set my preload to zero. I don't know enough about preload and its effects to really mess with it, and on a street car I don't really care.
Having a tiny bit of preload is good.
Mine don't have a separate adjustment and it's a PITA to raise the car, especially up front. You're stuck having to turn the spring perch against 650lbs of pressure.
I don't know what sorcery they conjured, but adjusting the front up and down is pretty easy.
Going to go on record and say I should have got 8.5s all around instead of the 9.5s. It does look pretty effing mean though JFC.
(https://i.imgur.com/uJxVW5t.jpg)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 13, 2017, 11:06:57 AM
Having a tiny bit of preload is good.
Mine don't have a separate adjustment and it's a PITA to raise the car, especially up front. You're stuck having to turn the spring perch against 650lbs of pressure.
Just use spring compressors to take the tension off the perches.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 13, 2017, 11:06:57 AM
Having a tiny bit of preload is good.
Mine don't have a separate adjustment and it's a PITA to raise the car, especially up front. You're stuck having to turn the spring perch against 650lbs of pressure.
You have 650 lbs of preload? Wow.
Quote from: MrH on September 13, 2017, 02:08:50 PM
You have 650 lbs of preload? Wow.
Well, it depends on how compressed the spring is. But they're 650 lb/in springs.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 13, 2017, 02:11:17 PM
Well, it depends on how compressed the spring is. But they're 650 lb/in springs.
Yeah, those are beefy springs. An inch of preload on springs that big is scary business :lol: I wouldn't want to work on that.
Apparently we had a tech in Germany working on a big Mercedes SUV. Those have massive, beefy springs. It slipped out of the fingers on the spring compressor and flew out. Punched a hole in a garage door and flew into the field next door.
I was always super careful after hearing that story.
:popcorn:
That is what spring compressors are for. Thankfully Nissan designed the suspension in a way where you could pop the springs out back and front without having to compress them on the car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
That is what spring compressors are for. Thankfully Nissan designed the suspension in a way where you could pop the springs out back and front without having to compress them on the car.
Heh, that is convenient. I was helping my friend install lowering springs on his E30, and he was about to take the rear control arms off to replace the springs. I just came over, stood on the hub, popped the spring out and put the new one in. Took less than 10 minutes for both sides. He probably would have been struggling with that for hours. :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
That is what spring compressors are for. Thankfully Nissan designed the suspension in a way where you could pop the springs out back and front without having to compress them on the car.
I wouldn't bet on your aftermarket coilovers being able to do that
Quote from: r0tor on September 13, 2017, 06:56:16 PM
I wouldn't bet on your aftermarket coilovers being able to do that
Why... they are way shorter than the stock springs÷shocks
Aftermarket coilovers aren't designed for the same amount of wheel travel and usually have different shock and spring lengths and obviously different spring rates. The end system just works different.
... Not saying on a threaded body coilovers you can't spend half a day spinning the perch all the way down to decompress the springs. ..
These coilovers don't need to be compressed to be removed. Keep in mind I'm set at like the lower third of the perch as is so there's already less preload on the shock.
Going on record to say I should have went with 8.5s instead of 9.5s. New tires grip tenaciously front and rear though.
Because of rubbing, tramlining, or other?
Mainly the fitment issue. Having to get new studs and use spacers up front. The 255s would have had a slight bulge but they'd still be OK.
Low life is serious cuz. Did an oil change today... managed to get it on the ramps, but it was still too low :facepalm: Had to put it on jacks. I am seriously thinking about getting this:
https://www.quickjack.com/car-lift-systems/bl-5000slx-portable-car-lift.html
(https://www.quickjack.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/600x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/b/l/bl5000xl-portable-car-lift_1.jpg)
It's $1,400 for the 5,000lb version I could use for wifey's car and mine. Only issue is it collapses to 3"... I would seriously have to check if I have that much clearance :hammerhead:
GPS tester says the G gets to 60 in 4.8 with the AC on :mask:
Probably optimistic but definitely in the ball park. Our was starting to feel slower but I think I'm just getting used to it. Donne more low end torque would be nice but this is enough
Damn, that is quick. I don't think I could get my dad's G to do under 5 seconds... maybe 6.5 seconds at best. :lol:
Sounds very optimistic.
The app feels like someone's freshman computer science project so it's very likely. I don't want to fuck with one of those OBD2 dongles though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2017, 11:08:17 AM
The app feels like someone's freshman computer science project so it's very likely. I don't want to fuck with one of those OBD2 dongles though.
Why not?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 24, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
Mainly the fitment issue. Having to get new studs and use spacers up front. The 255s would have had a slight bulge but they'd still be OK.
Low life is serious cuz. Did an oil change today... managed to get it on the ramps, but it was still too low :facepalm: Had to put it on jacks. I am seriously thinking about getting this:
https://www.quickjack.com/car-lift-systems/bl-5000slx-portable-car-lift.html
(https://www.quickjack.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/600x/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/b/l/bl5000xl-portable-car-lift_1.jpg)
It's $1,400 for the 5,000lb version I could use for wifey's car and mine. Only issue is it collapses to 3"... I would seriously have to check if I have that much clearance :hammerhead:
Most of those I know of come with an approach ramp
A low profile jack + jack stands is cheaper :huh: How often are you gonna use a mini lift to make it worth the money?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 25, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
Why not?
Indeed.. they're cheap and really fun to mess around with.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 25, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
A low profile jack + jack stands is cheaper :huh: How often are you gonna use a mini lift to make it worth the money?
I already have a jack + stands + ramps... no way would I get under a car without that
I guess I don't need this for wifey's car which is a plus. But the G is well over 3500lbs so I'd still need the 5000lb version :( Only work I would do under her car is an oil change. But w/all the tinkering I do on my car this would be nice, and it's not a bad price spread out over a lifetime
Quote from: Laconian on September 25, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Indeed.. they're cheap and really fun to mess around with.
IIRC you had some weird CEL issues with one you got. Plus I am pretty sure with my ricer wheels my speedo is a hair off. I guess that's no biggie in the grand scheme of things. I'd be curious to see how rich this thing runs, gas mileage is so bad.
I've thought about a quickjack a few times now... Seems useful
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2017, 01:07:44 PM
IIRC you had some weird CEL issues with one you got. Plus I am pretty sure with my ricer wheels my speedo is a hair off. I guess that's no biggie in the grand scheme of things. I'd be curious to see how rich this thing runs, gas mileage is so bad.
I then reset the CEL light using the dongle. :lol:
I have a cheap $30 OBD scanner tool...it does live data so you can monitor all your voltages and temps...coolest thing to me was the % load reading...it live reads the load of the engine. Not all that useful, but neat.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
GPS tester says the G gets to 60 in 4.8 with the AC on :mask:
Probably optimistic but definitely in the ball park. Our was starting to feel slower but I think I'm just getting used to it. Donne more low end torque would be nice but this is enough
FYI GPS is only accurate to 30ft or so. I have no inclination to do the math how much distance traveled in that amount of time would be, but it's "possible" you could be shorting 60ft.
Also, I'm confused as to why you'd worry about GPS when measuring time and speed. :huh:
The GPS measures speed....?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 25, 2017, 08:28:34 PM
The GPS measures speed....?
Yes... my bicycle computer uses it, and Waze uses it too.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 26, 2017, 04:45:58 AM
Yes... my bicycle computer uses it, and Waze uses it too.
That's how my Garmin camera determines speed as well (can also link it with the OBDII for a more accurate read). It can be pretty wildly inaccurate, particularly when trying to deal with rapid changes in speed. Fine for steady-state driving, but I've seen it be 5+ MPH off in my auto-x footage.
I was watching Waze while I was stuck in bumper to bumper traffic this morning... it was off by as much as 15MPH at a crawl.
It's weird because I would have thought they would use the on board accelerometer to integrate the speed over time. I would figure that would be way more accurate. I think I have an accelerometer app... maybe I can take the data off of that and do the integration myself :muffin:
You can do that with an accelerometer app, but your have to make sure it's dead level (or doing some obnoxious 3 dimensional corrections)
Oooooooo! Accelerometer app is actually pretty slick.... you can remove G, it samples at 200Hz, and it can output to units of g. Gonna see what it do when I go to Walmart tonight and compare it against my car performance simulator.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 26, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
Oooooooo! Accelerometer app is actually pretty slick.... you can remove G, it samples at 200Hz, and it can output to units of g. Gonna see what it do when I go to Walmart tonight and compare it against my car performance simulator.
Yay, integrals
Bro I'm geeking. Wifey recently snuck and posted a pic of me doing trig on a weekend morning. I was working out the geometry of my bike's rear suspension to calculate the motion ratio :muffin:
Damn.... I am really doing 20K/yr. Getting close to turning over 52K, and I was out of the country/driving the Civic for the first month or so. Really feeling that gas mileage pinch cuhz
QuoteVs the Civic: OK obviously the Civic is 3rd world compared to this in terms of refinement and it literally has less than half the power. But dynamically the Civic kind of has this thing's goat. I'd say they ride about the same, at least in my neighborhood, but the Civic will carve an arc + rotate where this thing plows (around/through roundabouts at least). Better steering feel and just overall agility as well. At the moment I'm more used to using a manual to manage power through corners as well. I think the right coilovers will tip the win in favor of the G though. Strangely enough I'd call them even on brakes too; Civic with a fresh bleed and.... Stoptech pads?... actually bleeds speed respectably. Definitely going with some more aggressive pads for the G too but that's probably about it.
Was looking back on this thread... wanted to update with the mods (brakes/tires/coilovers). Civic still has this thing licked on turn in and steering feel, by a surprisingly wide margin; but that may just be the consequence of weighing literally 1000lb less :( G brakes are much better; firmer and way more powerful. Driving the two back to back I realized the Civic front shocks are blown... there's definitely a mid speed resonance "bob". Fucking ST, never buying a KW product again :facepalm: This thing really puts how slow the Civic is in perspective as well... 1/4 throttle in the G is WOT in the Civic. Frustrating. Oh well. Going to try and clean the Civic and get it out on the market soon.
I feel ya. Was quite the change going from A4 mileage to Taco, though I can put the cheap stuff in Taco, so I figure the money spent balances out. :lol:
What kind of mileage you getting?
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 27, 2017, 02:22:26 PM
I feel ya. Was quite the change going from A4 mileage to Taco, though I can put the cheap stuff in Taco, so I figure the money spent balances out. :lol:
Yea, practicality is nice. Wifey's car has been clutch quite a few times.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 27, 2017, 02:29:32 PM
What kind of mileage you getting?
Like 18-19MPG, probably 50/50 city/highway. Aggressive as well so it's about what the EPA estimates... I was just hoping to do a little better; like 21-22 on average. Hopefully the alignment and maybe a trans flush will help.
Those bigger wheels and tires ain't gonna help. When I stepped up to 255s on 18s from 225s on 17s on the Mustang, my highway mileage went from ~34 to ~32. Around town dropped 5-10% as well.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 27, 2017, 06:50:08 PM
Yea, practicality is nice. Wifey's car has been clutch quite a few times.
Like 18-19MPG, probably 50/50 city/highway. Aggressive as well so it's about what the EPA estimates... I was just hoping to do a little better; like 21-22 on average. Hopefully the alignment and maybe a trans flush will help.
Eh, that's not terrible I guess. I'm getting 22 mpg out of my wagon. :lol:
I get 21mpg driving the SVX 70% highway. 18-19mpg is pretty damn good. You probably actually drive like a pussy if you're getting that :lol:
I was getting 25-28 in the Civic on regular so my gas bill basically doubled. I was getting a legit 20-22 in the Z so I was hoping to do like 19-21. O well. Gotta pay the cost to be a #coilovernation mayor
Installing the camber arms, 3 bolts, piece of cake right? No, have to remove the front shocks to get to them :facepalm: Gonna be a long night
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 27, 2017, 07:37:26 PM
Installing the camber arms, 3 bolts, piece of cake right? No, have to remove the front shocks to get to them :facepalm: Gonna be a long night
Good luck. My mechanical abilities stop at changing brake pads.
I got it done, at the alignment shop now. Asking myself what the point of all this is
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 28, 2017, 07:54:34 AM
I got it done, at the alignment shop now. Asking myself what the point of all this is
To keep the car from killing you with oversteer. Whatever it takes it's worth it.
#BlackLivesMatter
😜
:lol:
JESUS.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 28, 2017, 08:34:55 AM
To keep the car from killing you with oversteer. Whatever it takes it's worth it.
More grip at the front (which this mod did) would exacerbate it, but since my rear tires don't look like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/fObH1GZ.jpg)
It's been manageable
Wow. Lots of track days on those tires.
Seriously contemplating taking the G and Civic over to the VW dealer and trading them both in for a GTI :mask:
G is too big and thirsty... Im a ricer boi.... I miss how nimble the Civic was, but I need something quick and refined. Newest GTI runs on regular too, that's a couple dollars in my pocket. Am I on crack or what, its barely been 7 months :headbang:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2017, 07:48:54 AM
Seriously contemplating taking the G and Civic over to the VW dealer and trading them both in for a GTI :mask:
G is too big and thirsty... Im a ricer boi.... I miss how nimble the Civic was, but I need something quick and refined. Newest GTI runs on regular too, that's a couple dollars in my pocket. Am I on crack or what, its barely been 7 months :headbang:
Embrace & accept yourself then go get a Civic Type-R.
If not for the ridiculous looks and the need for 2 pedals I would seriously consider it. I'm hoping they put that powertrain in the next ILX but the GTI DSG should work.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2017, 07:48:54 AM
Seriously contemplating taking the G and Civic over to the VW dealer and trading them both in for a GTI :mask:
G is too big and thirsty... Im a ricer boi.... I miss how nimble the Civic was, but I need something quick and refined. Newest GTI runs on regular too, that's a couple dollars in my pocket. Am I on crack or what, its barely been 7 months :headbang:
Embrace the boy racer while it still lives within you; and get a Focus RS. Not too sure how the baby seat fits though.
Naw, Focus rides way too stiff and is $$$. I'd maybe do an ST
You can get an Si lease for like $199 a month now. Considering how indecisive you are, maybe a short term lease is where you need to be.
I'd have to see about the Civic. I feel like it would be just a hair too slow. I want something with a 100MPH+ trap speed
100mph trap speed is such an arbitrary line. Aren't you always harping about not being able to exploit a car's ability on the street?
Either way, a simple tune is putting that little shit of a motor at 230hp at the crank. I don't know if on the return of the lease they check too deeply, but you can always flash it back to stock. Besides, it sounds like its the best chassis in its class by far.
It's a relevant metric for me. A good chunk of my commute is on 2 lane back roads so I need that rolling speed to make passes.
Civic Si is a good package but I'm leery of chipping it under warranty as it does like 20 PSI stock. Suspension setup is good but with the adaptive component the aftermarket is struggling. By contrast GTI is good on power out of the box and has no issues with mods. I just need to find one with an LSD
Oh and damn, the Civic is not much smaller than the G...
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
Oh and damn, the Civic is not much smaller than the G...
Nope!
My mom's new Cruze is basically the same size as her old Mazda6. The compact class is HUGE now.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 17, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
Oh and damn, the Civic is not much smaller than the G...
Fiesta ST is the way to go then. Have some fun before you get too old. Keep it around to teach the daughter how to drive. It'll be a classic.
Integra GSR.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 17, 2017, 12:49:10 PM
LS swap
Thats too much power, you don't want snap oversteer mid corner.
I would actually get a type R instead. I like a GTI better than your G. Don't be stupid and try and justify it be claiming you're going to save all this money on gas though. That's a drop in the bucket. Just realize you're buying this because you want it.
I mean gas is part of it. Realistically it is a drop in the bucket. But psychologically it is part of the ownership experience. I'm debating if now is a good time or if I should wait after the baby comes. Either way I will go test drive a GTI soon.
I feel like you make enough money to not worry about gas. Shit, I probably make like 1/5th of what you do and I don't give a shit about gas. Release yourself!
The gas isn't that big of a deal. It's really just the size and weight. I realized I don't really care about luxury either. Thank God I didn't buy the Genesis. If the Civic wasn't slow as dog shit with weak A/C and deafening road noise I'd keep it. I think the GTI strikes the right balance
GTI is a good balance of semi-luxury (NVH) and fun.
Test drive a new Si or Type R too.
Thread started March 14, 2017.
Seven months and you're on to the next car. :facepalm:
Lol just get a wrx
Quote from: Laconian on November 19, 2017, 01:13:05 PM
Thread started March 14, 2017.
Seven months and you're on to the next car. :facepalm:
Me, MrH, Ragz, we take an iterative approach to car ownership
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 19, 2017, 01:59:28 PM
Me, MrH, Ragz, we take an iterative approach to car ownership
It's a phase.
Hopefully
The GTI isn't going to scratch your itch
How do you figure... and what would you recommend
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 19, 2017, 06:51:19 PM
How do you figure... and what would you recommend
Something really raucous; to get it out of your system. Track car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 19, 2017, 01:59:28 PM
Me, MrH, Ragz, we take an iterative approach to car ownership
Don't lump me in your group. I made it at least a year with every car. :lol:
Since moving to a rural area I have come to really like my G. It's unrefined know, but it's quick, likes the open roads and is well put together. It's much happier here than it was lurching from suburban red light to suburban red light. I was all in for trading for an Outback or an AWD Edge, but I've decided to hang on, at least for now.
I forgot how hard you were hating in this thread. Are you like not allowed to buy anymore cars or something?
It's like I can see the future or something
Quote from: r0tor on March 22, 2017, 07:10:50 PM
T-minus-12 months to the "I'm selling the G because it has a leaking shock, gets shitty gas mileage, and I can't use it's performance" thread
:popcorn:
Just saying
You got 1 out of 3, but that was enough
No offense taken. r0tor is just angry that he basically cannot drive the RX-8, but he is not allowed to sell it and get another car :lol: I am free and willing to continue to make bad automotive decisions for the entertainment of the SPIN and myself. Someone has to have fun here and r0tor has made it clear he is not allowed to :pee:
I think I drove the 8 yesterday... Seemed fine
GTI is too mature and will bore you in less than 12 months (again). Like I said before, Type R.
FELLAS!!! He wants a 1994 Accord Sedan that he can mod the fuck out of! :nutty: I guess it's better than a Riced out Miata...... :stirspot:
https://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2017-ford-focus-rs-vs-2017-honda-civic-type-r-comparison-test
We will see what the facelift brings. I cannot be seen in that thing.
Man I'm still about ready to move on but after a wash I can't deny how good this thing looks
(https://i.imgur.com/4PzqRfW.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/VJhlc3H.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/BQ1eXgg.jpg?1)
I still want to do a final polish this weekend... still a lot of deeper scratches too; might grab some touch up paint.
Man I love the G37's looks. Looks so much better than the comparatively generic Q50. I esp love the S front bumper on the sedan, with the G37S coupe wheels. Easily one of the best looking Japanese sedans made.
Although on a totally unrelated note, the new IS is gorgeous IMO. I think I'd go for a RWD IS350 F if I were shopping in that class- shame about the lack of 6MT (which I'm not ready to let go of just yet, regardless of how good the 8AT is).
I prefer the looks of the GS. Really bummed they're killing it. But all modern Lexuses are DOA to me with that awful infotainment system. The IS has def grown on me though. There's a lowered one in my subdivision.
Looks great man. Good work on ze buffing.
Those wheels are great
Yea don't get rid of this thing Sporty
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 27, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
Yea don't get rid of this thing Sporty
What difference does it make to you, the pictures will still work :lol:
Lesson learned here... I can enjoy a car's looks without having to own it. I don't miss the Z, I won't miss this
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2017, 12:32:34 PM
What difference does it make to you, the pictures will still work :lol:
Lesson learned here... I can enjoy a car's looks without having to own it. I don't miss the Z, I won't miss this
Idk man, RWD+V6 is a dying combo. Whatever floats ur boat though. I only say keep it cuz I would love to own ur car
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 27, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
Idk man, RWD+V6 is a dying combo. Whatever floats ur boat though. I only say keep it cuz I would love to own ur car
Buy it, I will give you good price my friend :lol:
I just didn't think it would feel as heavy as it does. I should have known from the Z. I'm finding that weight matters more to me than drive wheels. A FWD car can be as fast as this, and weigh like 600-700lb less, without being a total shitshow. Civic has problems I don't want to spend money to fix, but dat turn in :wub: Gotta see what the MK7 GTI is about, there are some with like 15K miles I could swing.
You never sold the Civic?
Plus, FWDs don't try to swap ends on you. They just safely understeer. Everywhere.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 27, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
You never sold the Civic?
No.... I had to get an engine put in and get some other parts for it. Only took 7 months :facepalm:
Quote from: MX793 on November 27, 2017, 04:20:46 PM
Plus, FWDs don't try to swap ends on you. They just safely understeer. Everywhere.
With a big enough swaybar and some good rear rebound they will on lift off for sure. G was pretty stable with the coils (I think the shocks were due for replacement) and has been planted with the new tires though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
With a big enough swaybar and some good rear rebound they will on lift off for sure.
Oh, so you're gonna take it to track days?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
No.... I had to get an engine put in and get some other parts for it. Only took 7 months :facepalm:
how
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 27, 2017, 04:38:18 PM
Oh, so you're gonna take it to track days?
No, don't need a track to enjoy a better suspension. I will see how the GTI is out of the box though, maybe it will be good enough stock.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 27, 2017, 04:50:29 PM
how
Took more than 1 engine swap.... going to small claims court. There was also the trip to Spain/Israel, job changes.... lot of shit going on this year. Civic just wasn't a priority.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2017, 05:39:31 PM
No, don't need a track to enjoy a better suspension.
If you're driving fast/hard enough on the street that your FWD car is oversteering, you're a complete asshole or idiot, or both.
:deadhorse"
You don't have to go over or even near the limit to feel a nicely balanced suspension. Cloverleafs, roundabouts, 2 lane back roads etc, pretty much any turns at speed.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2017, 07:27:25 PM
You don't have to go over or even near the limit to feel a nicely balanced suspension. Cloverleafs, roundabouts, 2 lane back roads etc, pretty much any turns at speed.
And if you're taking any of those fast/hard enough to initiate LTO in a FWD, you're driving like an asshat, idiot, or both.
I think you'll get bored of the GTI in about 5 minutes. It's pretty bland. Too refined.
I'm not looking for excitement. I like how refined the G is, it's way more relaxing on a commute. I also like its speed- just right for the street. I don't like its size and thirst. Don't really care about the badge or frills, just don't want tire noise. Need an auto so my wife can drive. GTI fits
Quote from: MX793 on November 27, 2017, 07:37:23 PM
And if you're taking any of those fast/hard enough to initiate LTO in a FWD, you're driving like an asshat, idiot, or both.
:lol:
+1
And I've been an idiot.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 28, 2017, 08:08:21 AM
I'm not looking for excitement.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
With a big enough swaybar and some good rear rebound they will on lift off for sure.
:hmm:
Not liking a nose heavy feel <> looking for excitement. Nobody likes a try hard man.
In any case, I think I'm gonna keep the G. Keep it for at least a year, maybe get intakes for it.
Unless you're piling ballast into the trunk, a stiffer rear sway doesn't make a FWD car feel any less nose heavy. I say this having flogged the piss out of a number of stiff-swayed FWDs, inluding a Celica that had such a stiff rear sway that it would loft the inside rear wheel a good 6-9" off the ground in a hard turn.
Speaking of sway bars, when are you going to get the Hotchkis sways for your G37? Aren't they pretty much universally accepted as the best G mod of all time?
I thought they were only needed for the non-Sport models? I'm OK with the suspension balance of the G. If I made any suspension changes at this point I'd do stiffer coilovers with higher quality damping. Mine now are on 9/8k springs which is good for the 500lb lighter Z but a little mushy for the G. I'd like something with more digressive damping and like 12/10k springs.
Soft springs, big bars. Stiffer springs are no bueno for luxo barges
Got coil spring spacers for the rear. Gotta investigate, I'm hoping the perches just got loose
Thinking about intakes/exhaust
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 05, 2017, 07:03:08 AM
I thought they were only needed for the non-Sport models? I'm OK with the suspension balance of the G. If I made any suspension changes at this point I'd do stiffer coilovers with higher quality damping. Mine now are on 9/8k springs which is good for the 500lb lighter Z but a little mushy for the G. I'd like something with more digressive damping and like 12/10k springs.
The sports and non sports RWD models have the exact same sway bars. AWD models have stiffer front and even smaller rear. For the AWD sedans, they recommend either just getting a RWD rear sway bar because the front is plenty stiff (which is what I did), or getting the full Hotchkiss set. For the RWD cars they recommend the full Hotchkiss set of front and rear sway bars, with front set to stiffest, rear set to middle.
If you'd bought a BMW, they come finished from factory, so you can just drive it instead of having to replace your whole suspension. :devil:
Quote from: Raza on December 12, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
If you'd bought a BMW, they come finished from factory, so you can just drive it instead of having to replace your whole suspension. :devil:
Replacing suspension is a 1 or 2 time deal. Chasing electrical gremlins and patching up poor engineering decisions (plastic coolant necks/jackets? Seriously)? Lifetime commitment
Quote from: 565 on December 12, 2017, 08:49:38 PM
The sports and non sports RWD models have the exact same sway bars. AWD models have stiffer front and even smaller rear. For the AWD sedans, they recommend either just getting a RWD rear sway bar because the front is plenty stiff (which is what I did), or getting the full Hotchkiss set. For the RWD cars they recommend the full Hotchkiss set of front and rear sway bars, with front set to stiffest, rear set to middle.
I'm just on the fence. Won't the stiffer sways hurt ride quality? And they will add spring rate without being compensated for with the dampers (at least for asymmetric bumps). Sways are cheap enough so I might as well look into them, but I'm more into the idea of upgrading my coilovers first. Car is heavy enough that it could take more rate and definitely more rebound.
Won't that hurt ride quality?
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 13, 2017, 07:26:51 AM
Won't that hurt ride quality?
Not as much as sways. Sways add spring rate without compensating for damping. Plus higher quality dampers + stiffer springs > softer springs with wacker dampers as far as ride quality goes.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 13, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
Not as much as sways. Sways add spring rate without compensating for damping. Plus higher quality dampers + stiffer springs > softer springs with wacker dampers as far as ride quality goes.
For the stuff that most people think of when they say ride quality; frost heaves, expansion joints, and slightly rough surfaces; sway bars do not noticeably make much of a difference.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 13, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
Not as much as sways. Sways add spring rate without compensating for damping. Plus higher quality dampers + stiffer springs > softer springs with wacker dampers as far as ride quality goes.
Sounds reasonable. :ohyeah:
Sporty, in case you're looking around for a cool upgrade, I recommend the tail-as-turn LED kit from Diode Dynamics. (I also replaced the license plate bulbs.)
https://youtu.be/uhpt1s4f6aQ
I will look into that. I have some bolt ons waiting to be installed
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 21, 2017, 09:23:29 AM
I also replaced the license plate bulbs.
You recommended this a while ago. The cool white license plate really classed up the butt of my G37 at night.
The G37 ages so well; it was hard to believe mine was 8 years old when I sold it.
Quote from: Laconian on December 21, 2017, 11:09:55 AM
You recommended this a while ago. The cool white license plate really classed up the butt of my G37 at night.
The G37 ages so well; it was hard to believe mine was 8 years old when I sold it.
I've grown to appreciate mine more now that I'm in an area with open roads, away from stoplights etc.
It's a good car... I'm still less than jazzed about the fuel economy... but I feel like these bolt ons are going to seal the deal on my love for it. I wanted a big V6; I need to hear it.
I also have a module coming that replaces the CD changer function with an Android computer. Will be great to have Waze, Soundcloud, Spotify and Torque right in the touch screen. Hopefully Just have to figure out a quick or automatic way to tap into my phone's data.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 21, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
I've grown to appreciate mine more now that I'm in an area with open roads, away from stoplights etc.
I'm in an area with all those things, hence why I sold it.. it seldom got a chance to stretch its legs. It was fucking fantastic at 80mph and above. 35mph and below? Not great.
Miata is great for low speed areas.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 21, 2017, 03:41:16 PM
replaces the CD changer function with an Android computer. Will be great to have Waze, Soundcloud, Spotify and Torque right in the touch screen. Hopefully Just have to figure out a quick or automatic way to tap into my phone's data.
Um, is this via Android Auto, or is it some weird hacked-up Chinese customization of Android? Knockoff Androids usually don't have the Google Play store. And WRT giving it access to your data, you'll have to decide for yourself if that's a security risk you're willing to take
You might want to check if your phone has a MHL or some kind of video out solution. You could convert that to an analog composite signal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOu_eSKjdIw
is it this thing- the prodigy one?
Quote from: Laconian on December 21, 2017, 04:44:38 PM
Um, is this via Android Auto, or is it some weird hacked-up Chinese customization of Android? Knockoff Androids usually don't have the Google Play store. And WRT giving it access to your data, you'll have to decide for yourself if that's a security risk you're willing to take
You might want to check if your phone has a MHL or some kind of video out solution. You could convert that to an analog composite signal.
It's kind of in between? This device has Play Store access and the company has a California mailing address:
https://gromaudio.com/store/vline/select_nissan_infiniti_2008-2012_grom_vline_infotainment_system.html
They have been around for a while too, 9 years? You make some good points though. I'd love and would pay a good amount to have Android auto in my car but all the shit is integrated.
This sounds like one of those "I want it to be simple but as complicated as possible" sporty projects. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 22, 2017, 06:10:00 AM
This sounds like one of those "I want it to be simple but as complicated as possible" sporty projects. :lol:
Can't wait! :popcorn:
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 22, 2017, 06:10:00 AM
This sounds like one of those "I want it to be simple but as complicated as possible" sporty projects. :lol:
:lol: I thought the same thing.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 22, 2017, 05:27:57 AM
It's kind of in between? This device has Play Store access and the company has a California mailing address:
https://gromaudio.com/store/vline/select_nissan_infiniti_2008-2012_grom_vline_infotainment_system.html
They have been around for a while too, 9 years? You make some good points though. I'd love and would pay a good amount to have Android auto in my car but all the shit is integrated.
OK, that's encouraging.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 22, 2017, 06:10:00 AM
This sounds like one of those "I want it to be simple but as complicated as possible" sporty projects. :lol:
Eh, it sounds like the OEM figured it out.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 22, 2017, 06:10:00 AM
This sounds like one of those "I want it to be simple but as complicated as possible" sporty projects. :lol:
Well yea... Bluetooth + simple phone holder or a half baked integration system.
Quote from: r0tor on December 22, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
Well yea... Bluetooth + simple phone holder or a half baked integration system.
The thing is, Infiniti's MMI sans nav is a big waste of dashboard. There's a big LCD there, but it can do very little. Might as well put useful things on it (and it's probably better than the Nissan POS software).
It seems pretty simple to me. Install module, get Android in my OEM touch screen. I have a CD slot mount for my phone, but that interferes with the shifter and HVAC controls and is not super secure. This will be a little pain to install but simpler and better in the long run.
A sporty project would be me trying to take an old phone and splice it into my car's harness to get that integration. But even I'm not that stupid/crazy. This build has been pretty simple. Wheels, coilovers... soon, intake, exhaust and this. Maybe a tune and some subwoofers. Lip/sideskirts/rear diffuser. Switch back to some light 18s. I have time :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 22, 2017, 01:37:15 PM
It seems pretty simple to me. Install module, get Android in my OEM touch screen. I have a CD slot mount for my phone, but that interferes with the shifter and HVAC controls and is not super secure. This will be a little pain to install but simpler and better in the long run.
A sporty project would be me trying to take an old phone and splice it into my car's harness to get that integration. But even I'm not that stupid/crazy. This build has been pretty simple. Wheels, coilovers... soon, intake, exhaust and this. Maybe a tune and some subwoofers. Lip/sideskirts/rear diffuser. Switch back to some light 18s. I have time :lol:
:facepalm: You will not feel the difference! :nono: :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 22, 2017, 01:37:15 PM
It seems pretty simple to me. Install module, get Android in my OEM touch screen. I have a CD slot mount for my phone, but that interferes with the shifter and HVAC controls and is not super secure. This will be a little pain to install but simpler and better in the long run.
A sporty project would be me trying to take an old phone and splice it into my car's harness to get that integration. But even I'm not that stupid/crazy. This build has been pretty simple. Wheels, coilovers... soon, intake, exhaust and this. Maybe a tune and some subwoofers. Lip/sideskirts/rear diffuser. Switch back to some light 18s. I have time :lol:
I've actually thought a lot about this for future used cars I may or may not buy. The backup camera and smartphone integration are pretty much the only must have modern car conveniences, imo, and if I can retroactively install them after the fact, that would fix my only hangup on getting an older car, like an S2K or E90 M3 or whatever. Let us know how it goes.
We're so addicted to our smartphones that magnifying them onto a larger screen to use while driving a 4,000lb. machine is a "must have?"
O ho ho, gather round kids, Mr high n mighty is swooping down to sprinkle us with some misguided judgment :lol: :facepalm:
No, wanting SAFER access to Spotify (the modern equivalent of radio) and Waze (to monitor traffic and cops) has nothing to do with cell phone addiction. Calm down
:fogey:
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 22, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
We're so addicted to our smartphones that magnifying them onto a larger screen to use while driving a 4,000lb. machine is a "must have?"
Hell yeah mang.
I monitor cops with my eyes, looking out the windshield :huh:
In the middle of nowhere that can be a viable strategy. Out here, we have overpasses and shit. They will jump out on you.
Quote from: Xer0 on December 22, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
I've actually thought a lot about this for future used cars I may or may not buy. The backup camera and smartphone integration are pretty much the only must have modern car conveniences, imo, and if I can retroactively install them after the fact, that would fix my only hangup on getting an older car, like an S2K or E90 M3 or whatever. Let us know how it goes.
There's no screen to integrate to in an S2K, and a backup camera seems kinda silly on a small 2 seater.
On a large SUV, sure I can see it being useful, but on a convertible?
Some convertibles have pretty bad rear visibility work the top up. My Z was not even a convertible, but it could be tricky to parallel park even though it was a member of the Under 170" Vehicle Society. Couldn't see out of the damn back
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 22, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
There's no screen to integrate to in an S2K, and a backup camera seems kinda silly on a small 2 seater.
On a large SUV, sure I can see it being useful, but on a convertible?
I've seen backup cameras installed in cars as a separate screen that kind of looks like a Tom Tom. But at minimum bluetooth integration is totally possible which should be enough. Backup camera isn't needed, but it sure is nice :lol:
Quote from: Xer0 on December 23, 2017, 09:25:50 AM
I've seen backup cameras installed in cars as a separate screen that kind of looks like a Tom Tom. But at minimum bluetooth integration is totally possible which should be enough. Backup camera isn't needed, but it sure is nice :lol:
It's a single DIN radio, any number of options to swap out there.
There are also camera which replace the rear view mirror and use a small section of the mirror when they're on.
The aftermarket unit in my wagon has better Bluetooth and speaker phone/voice recognition than most OEM units.
I guess what I'm saying is, I wouldn't let lack of some of these things be a deciding factor, but if you find you can't live without them, there are solutions.
There are still good analog solutions.
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I absolutely hate those.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 22, 2017, 10:53:35 PM
In the middle of nowhere that can be a viable strategy. Out here, we have overpasses and shit. They will jump out on you.
Watch the traffic flow & brake lights.
Or don't speed so much. :huh:
Most head unit integrations are a disaster. It's simple. Just Bluetooth is all you need. Then get a pro clip style mount to put your phone up.
Quote from: MrH on December 23, 2017, 12:46:26 PM
Most head unit integrations are a disaster. It's simple. Just Bluetooth is all you need. Then get a pro clip style mount to put your phone up.
Most? How many have you tested?
They really do need to figure out a way to use a car screen as a second monitor for phones like you do with monitors for laptops.
Doesn't need to be anything fancy like extending or anything, just mirror to the right size.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 26, 2017, 07:30:33 AM
They really do need to figure out a way to use a car screen as a second monitor for phones like you do with monitors for laptops.
Doesn't need to be anything fancy like extending or anything, just mirror to the right size.
It's largely illegal- or at least against DOT regs; something about watching movies while driving. That's why a lot of cars have limited functions underway. Aftermarket can get away with a lot more.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 26, 2017, 07:30:33 AM
They really do need to figure out a way to use a car screen as a second monitor for phones like you do with monitors for laptops.
Doesn't need to be anything fancy like extending or anything, just mirror to the right size.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 26, 2017, 08:47:13 AM
It's largely illegal- or at least against DOT regs; something about watching movies while driving. That's why a lot of cars have limited functions underway. Aftermarket can get away with a lot more.
yeah yeah..
Lock out video media but allow maps, phone calls, music.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 26, 2017, 09:07:25 AM
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Have you ever used navigation or listened to music while driving?
Would you agree that touch screen functions are easier on something tablet sized vs phone sized while driving?
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 26, 2017, 05:01:46 PM
yeah yeah..
Lock out video media but allow maps, phone calls, music.
So basically apple carplay and android auto. :lol:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 04, 2018, 11:16:33 AM
So basically apple carplay and android auto. :lol:
I haven't used either so, if that's what they do, awesome!...
Did some stuff... another oil change and finally put the child seat base in. I don't know how or why but when I played with the seat fitment before it was tight. But now it fits fine. My wife doesn't even have to move the seat up for appropriate clearance. Very easy to load as well. I floated wifey getting another sedan after the MKX... she basically said "over my dead body, I am a crossover convert"
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 26, 2018, 07:22:26 AM
Did some stuff... another oil change and finally put the child seat base in. I don't know how or why but when I played with the seat fitment before it was tight. But now it fits fine. My wife doesn't even have to move the seat up for appropriate clearance. Very easy to load as well. I floated wifey getting another sedan after the MKX... she basically said "over my dead body, I am a crossover convert"
Yeah, that ship has sailed for 99% of moms. I also floated a 5 sedan when we got the X5 and was basically laughed out of the house.
To be fair, with the stroller and diaper bag the extra trunk space is appreciated and utilized. And a sedan/wagon with the same interior space would take up more space in the garage. But I am going to be picking her up from day care and I'm glad I don't have to move my passenger seat up.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 26, 2018, 07:22:26 AM
I floated wifey getting another sedan after the MKX... she basically said "over my dead body, I am a crossover convert"
:lol:
(They're just tall hatchbacks/ short wagons)....