Well, it looks like OH is swimming in MX-5 RFs. I'm exploring if I should just wait for them to come in stock here, or if I should just pull the trigger now. Delivery and registration eats up over half of the cost savings of the Mazda discount plan.
https://www.mazdausa.com/shopping-tools/inventory/new/2017-mazda-mx-5-miata-rf?vin=JM1NDAM78H0101886#vc=MXR&zipcode=45404&distance=250&dlrId=61585,60247,61446,60257,61505,61598,60258,61460,61511,61454,61604,61522,61597,61578,61625,60402,61551,60434,70719,60249&mc=MXR++GT+6P++&eClr=&cond=n&yr=2017&p=1&ps=9&s=d&dealer=61585
S-plan MSRP $33,885.
with plan => $32,044
+ delivery ($1000?)
----------------------
33,329
+ 9.5% tax
+ $285
= $36,780 total
Any other cities/zips I should look at that are closer than Dayton OH? Oregon has nothing. WA basically has squat in stock. Maybe southern California?
Also, is there a private party I can use to arrange transport?
MrH delivery services.
I'm sure many of us 'SPINners would drive it back for you. :lol:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 19, 2017, 02:45:17 PM
I'm sure many of us 'SPINners would drive it back for you. :lol:
Think I can hold a drift across the entire country? :lol:
Looks like the Bay Area is half the price for transport - ~$724
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
Think I can hold a drift across the entire country? :lol:
Nah, you're too busy getting married and shit.
What Kevin needs is a strong independent brown man.
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 02:44:28 PM
MrH delivery services.
You'd thoroughly devirginize my new car thoe :(
Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2017, 02:46:25 PM
Looks like the Bay Area is half the price for transport - ~$724
Ship it here, I pick it up, store in my garage for a day or two, you fly down and acquire new RF that may or may not be missing some rubber from the rear tires? :lol:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 19, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
Ship it here, I pick it up, store in my garage for a day or two, you fly down and acquire new RF that may or may not be missing some rubber from the rear tires? :lol:
Well, it might have to sit around for a few weeks, so I can find a legimitate sounding business reason to fly. ;)
Are you srs about the garaging offer? I'll call some stealerships in the Bay Area, then. That sounds more better.
Fuck. I could do a day or tow but not sure if they'd be cool with a couple weeks. I can ask and let you know. They don't even let me park inside. :lol: :cry:
Apparently I get pounded in the butt by CA taxes if I don't get it shipped out of state. If it touches CA roads, I pay $$$. Then I pay $$$ again when I register it in WA. Sorry, transport it is.
OK, calling LA Mazda dealers. https://www.mazdausa.com/shopping-tools/inventory/new/2017-mazda-mx-5-miata-rf?vin=JM1NDAM71H0101681#vc=MXR&zipcode=90001&distance=250&dlrId=42166,42176,42031,42170,41959,42171,42185,42104,42095,42033,42066,42067,42182,42128,42123,41978,42030,42186,42187,42177&mc=MXR++GT+6P++&eClr=&cond=n&yr=2017&p=1&ps=9&s=d&dealer=42185
OK, California sucks. I guess it's because they have year-round demand.
I found a dealer near Denver CO that offers S-plan pricing on a red/tan GT. I guess dealers in snowy climates are having a hard time finding buyers. :lol:!
Getting prices from them now. Transport looks like it'll be half the cost of Ohio.
And - lol - one of the SoCal dealers I talked to wanted $3k over MSRP. Ya rite
Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
Well, it looks like OH is swimming in MX-5 RFs. I'm exploring if I should just wait for them to come in stock here, or if I should just pull the trigger now. Delivery and registration eats up over half of the cost savings of the Mazda discount plan.
https://www.mazdausa.com/shopping-tools/inventory/new/2017-mazda-mx-5-miata-rf?vin=JM1NDAM78H0101886#vc=MXR&zipcode=45404&distance=250&dlrId=61585,60247,61446,60257,61505,61598,60258,61460,61511,61454,61604,61522,61597,61578,61625,60402,61551,60434,70719,60249&mc=MXR++GT+6P++&eClr=&cond=n&yr=2017&p=1&ps=9&s=d&dealer=61585
S-plan MSRP $33,885.
with plan => $32,044
+ delivery ($1000?)
----------------------
33,329
+ 9.5% tax
+ $285
= $36,780 total
Any other cities/zips I should look at that are closer than Dayton OH? Oregon has nothing. WA basically has squat in stock. Maybe southern California?
I just messaged the guy I test drove the Miata with if he has an RF cars
The transport fee from OH is tough to swallow, though. It's like $1200 at minimum. Probably more like $1500. And S-plan figures are the same from state to state so there isn't a lot of wiggle room there.
They don't have any RF cars anyways
Such rare wow
My local Mazda stealer has a white RF.
But they suck. They are the ones who made a verbal agreement on the used Cube, then called me to renege as I was walking out the door to drive over there.
Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2017, 03:19:20 PM
Apparently I get pounded in the butt by CA taxes if I don't get it shipped out of state. If it touches CA roads, I pay $$$. Then I pay $$$ again when I register it in WA. Sorry, transport it is.
SC has a $300 cap on vehicle sales tax. I think. Try a place without any sales tax.
CO dealer: ($32543 *1.065) + $600 = $35258
seems like alot of cash
Have you seen real life pictures of the Soul Red RF?
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 04:04:46 PM
Have you seen real life pictures of the Soul Red RF?
Yes, though my memory is a little hazy. Why you axe?
Launch edition color and black look a lot better IMO
O boy o boy, MWTO in full effect #MCSMA
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 19, 2017, 04:48:27 PM
O boy o boy, MWTO in full effect #MCSMA
what the fuck does this even mean
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 19, 2017, 05:05:21 PM
what the fuck does this even mean
:hesaid:
also :pee: mwto & mcsma
OK, after great thought, MWTO = Miata World Take Over, and #MCSMA = #MakeCarSpinMiataAgain?
I'm warming to the RF's looks, with the roof off. Roof up, it still looks a bit strange.
There are plenty of auto transport companies that'll ship the car for you. My dad bought his VW in SoCal and shipped it to KY for $500. But if the dealer will do it for $600, that'd probably be easier.
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 04:43:12 PM
Launch edition color and black look a lot better IMO
Thanks for the honesty. Yeah after looking at more un-shooped gallery shots, I'm inclined to agree.
Found a metallic grey GT in CO. Gonna think it over.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 19, 2017, 05:51:30 PM
OK, after great thought, MWTO = Miata World Take Over, and #MCSMA = #MakeCarSpinMiataAgain?
Keep up guys
Lac how did you fix your back
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 19, 2017, 06:41:12 PM
There are plenty of auto transport companies that'll ship the car for you. My dad bought his VW in SoCal and shipped it to KY for $500. But if the dealer will do it for $600, that'd probably be easier.
Yup! Set up the transport on Uship and let em bid!
I'd rather fly to the car and drive it home.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 19, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
Yup! Set up the transport on Uship and let em bid!
I think I'd rather just go with a reputable company, even if they are slightly more expensive. I wouldn't want to trust a $35k car to some random dude on uship.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2017, 07:01:41 PM
I'd rather fly to the car and drive it home.
Not in Colorado in January. This week should probably be clear, but next week half the roads could be closed between CO and WA.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 19, 2017, 07:08:25 PM
I think I'd rather just go with a reputable company, even if they are slightly more expensive. I wouldn't want to trust a $35k car to some random dude on uship.
I've thought more than once that once the kids grow that buying a truck and shipping cars across country via Uship would be an enjoyable semi-retirement.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 19, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
Not in Colorado in January. This week should probably be clear, but next week half the roads could be closed between CO and WA.
So how does the truck get through? :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 19, 2017, 07:13:03 PM
I've thought more than once that once the kids grow that buying a truck and shipping cars across country via Uship would be an enjoyable semi-retirement.
You want to tow three cars across the country with a Ford F350?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 19, 2017, 07:08:25 PM
I think I'd rather just go with a reputable company, even if they are slightly more expensive. I wouldn't want to trust a $35k car to some random dude on uship.
There are plenty of big name companies that bid on your business! You pick and choose which one YOU want to deal with! They all have feedback and reviews also. You can also pick to only recieve offers from companies with enclosed trailers also! I've used them 3 times and the service has been excellent each time. With my first C6 it came on a regular car carrier pulled by a Semi, My GSXR was shipped in an enclosed Cargo Van and my Corolla cam on a 3 Car Trailer behind a dually F350. Like I said it's up to you what company you use and how it's shipped.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 19, 2017, 07:13:03 PM
I've thought more than once that once the kids grow that buying a truck and shipping cars across country via Uship would be an enjoyable semi-retirement.
I'm checking into doing this as we speak!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2017, 07:16:48 PM
You want to tow three cars across the country with a Ford F350?
Nope. 3500 GMC Sierra! :mask:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 19, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
Not in Colorado in January. This week should probably be clear, but next week half the roads could be closed between CO and WA.
The obvious solution to avoid snow and mountain blizzards is to cut south west from Ohio and go around Colorado through New Mexico and Arizona and then come up the California coast.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 19, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
Nope. 3500 GMC Sierra! :mask:
I would require a manual transmission. Perhaps a two speed rear end.
Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2017, 06:48:20 PM
Thanks for the honesty. Yeah after looking at more un-shooped gallery shots, I'm inclined to agree.
I usually hate red cars, but actually like the soul red on the soft top. Something looks funky on the soul red RF though.
Get a launch edition one! Something different and a little special. Really cool color and interior color too.
Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2017, 04:02:19 PM
CO dealer: ($32543 *1.065) + $600 = $35258
I can help with that.
Quote from: MX793 on January 19, 2017, 07:29:22 PM
The obvious solution to avoid snow and mountain blizzards is to cut south west from Ohio and go around Colorado through New Mexico and Arizona and then come up the California coast.
It seems unnecessary to buy the car in CO and then ship it OH. :huh:
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 19, 2017, 08:35:05 PM
It seems unnecessary to buy the car in CO and then ship it OH. :huh:
:lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2017, 07:16:48 PM
You want to tow three cars across the country with a Ford F350?
Or more with a Mack R600 and an oversized sleeper. On my own schedule.
4 real tho - haven't prices on the normal convertible been dropping like flies? Seems like it might be worth waiting six months to see if the same happens to the RF.
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
I usually hate red cars, but actually like the soul red on the soft top. Something looks funky on the soul red RF though.
Get a launch edition one! Something different and a little special. Really cool color and interior color too.
Evidently the Launch Edition pre-sale is closed. https://www.mazdausa.com/preorder/mx-5-rf-launch-edition
I don't know if that means they've all been sold or if you have to try your luck finding one at a dealer though.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 19, 2017, 08:35:05 PM
It seems unnecessary to buy the car in CO and then ship it OH. :huh:
Missed he found a car in CO, thought he was looking at Ohio still.
I have two Launch Editions a mile from my place
Quote from: MX793 on January 19, 2017, 09:05:19 PM
Missed he found a car in CO, thought he was looking at Ohio still.
Yeah I figured. Just messin with you. :ohyeah:
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 09:11:10 PM
I have two Launch Editions a mile from my place
Ah, okay.
Quote from: Laconian on January 19, 2017, 06:48:51 PM
Found a metallic grey GT in CO. Gonna think it over.
How easy is it to match these special paints from Mazda? (soul red and Machine gray)
(http://1ijylmozio83m2nkr2v293mp.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/032216-machine-gray-mx-5-rf.jpg)
QuoteTraditionally, achieving such a finish was only possible with hand-painted concept cars using paint containing extremely thin aluminum flakes applied in multiple layers by master craftsmen. By further developing its TAKUMINURI1 painting technology originally created for Soul Red, Mazda has made it possible to achieve the look on mass-production vehicles using a three-coat paint structure consisting of color, reflective and clear coats.2
The reflective layer contains extremely thin, high-brightness aluminum flakes and must be applied very precisely to ensure even coating. During the drying process the thickness of this layer shrinks to approximately 2.5 microns, about one quarter the thickness of most reflective layers. This causes the aluminum flakes to lie flat with regular spacing between each flake, just as if the layer had been hand-painted by a skilled craftsman. This high-density finish gives the entire surface a sheen when illuminated, for a realistic metallic look. Jet-black pigment is used in both the reflective and color layers and is visible through the spaces between the aluminum flakes giving areas not illuminated a black hue and heightening the contrast between light and shadow.
It doesn't sound easy so Maybe budget for some paint protection film?
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 09:11:10 PM
I have two Launch Editions a mile from my place
I called. No deal on them. :(
Quote from: MrH on January 19, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
I usually hate red cars, but actually like the soul red on the soft top. Something looks funky on the soul red RF though.
Get a launch edition one! Something different and a little special. Really cool color and interior color too.
Soul Red sounds like a Pokémon game. I'm reading your post, thinking "Yeah, I'd play that."
Going to pull the trigger on this guy. My S-plan, it does nothing - the price quoted on the website is the same!
http://www.bobpenkhus.com/new/Mazda/2017-Mazda-Mazda+MX-5+Miata-colorado-springs-8dbcafd30a0e0adf4ae7cb91205c3394.htm
Any objections? I'm going to doooo iittttt
How is the weather in Seattle right now? Like is there any benefit to buying now over waiting for a while?
I wonder if you could get it a bit cheaper once they sit on the lots for a while. Tave is getting $3500 off his ND which is nuts.
Do it. Also, make sure to shake Bob Penkhus's hand for me and say "cool fuckin name, dude."
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
Going to pull the trigger on this guy. My S-plan, it does nothing - the price quoted on the website is the same!
http://www.bobpenkhus.com/new/Mazda/2017-Mazda-Mazda+MX-5+Miata-colorado-springs-8dbcafd30a0e0adf4ae7cb91205c3394.htm
Any objections? I'm going to doooo iittttt
Shit yeah do it! Love the RF in that colour.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 20, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
How is the weather in Seattle right now? Like is there any benefit to buying now over waiting for a while?
I wonder if you could get it a bit cheaper once they sit on the lots for a while. Tave is getting $3500 off his ND which is nuts.
Weather is like 40-50 degrees. It seems to me that the RF is pretty supply constrained, at least for a while. They are impossible to get in WA/OR, and the dealers in CA are being bitches. I've noticed that dealers in the midst of a brutal winter are more willing to do business. :lol: If I wait a few months, I'm guessing the demand in those states will "thaw"?
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:20:32 PM
It seems to me that the RF is pretty supply constrained, at least for a while.
Hence the question how much you'd be able to enjoy it in current weather. If you wait a bit for supply to catch up and hype to die down you can get a good deal on one locally?
Then again, I'm not one to make good financial decisions or wait to save money. Just do it. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:20:32 PM
It seems to me that the RF is pretty supply constrained, at least for a while.
There'll be no deals in the spring. Do it now.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 20, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Hence the question how much you'd be able to enjoy it in current weather.
Hardtop = can enjoy. :lol:
What about timing the sale of the G37? I'm thinking about parking it at my parents' garage and giving them a few hundred bucks for "rent", then selling it once the weather improves.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 20, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Hence the question how much you'd be able to enjoy it in current weather. If you wait a bit for supply to catch up and hype to die down you can get a good deal on one locally?
Then again, I'm not one to make good financial decisions or wait to save money. Just do it. :lol:
That'd be my only hesitation. But if he's got the money it probably doesn't matter. Price difference (if there is any) may be less than a monthly payment.
Yeah, now's a good time to buy a supply-constrained convertible. Trying to get your hands on one that you really want come spring would probably be a PITA. If you have the money, do it, who cares if there's one for $1k less a few months from now? You won't be looking then because you'll be driving!
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
Going to pull the trigger on this guy. My S-plan, it does nothing - the price quoted on the website is the same!
http://www.bobpenkhus.com/new/Mazda/2017-Mazda-Mazda+MX-5+Miata-colorado-springs-8dbcafd30a0e0adf4ae7cb91205c3394.htm
Any objections? I'm going to doooo iittttt
I like the coloure. Better let me test it for you, though.
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
What about timing the sale of the G37? I'm thinking about parking it at my parents' garage and giving them a few hundred bucks for "rent", then selling it once the weather improves.
Sell it to Sporty before he gets a Camry!
Sporty, my car fits child seats - I've hauled my nieces and nephew in the backseat. :lol:
OK, agreed to the price. He's preparing the paperwork.
And good call on the paint protectant stuff - should I ask the dealer to do it for me? What's a reasonable price to ask?
:dance:
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
And good call on the paint protectant stuff - should I ask the dealer to do it for me? What's a reasonable price to ask?
Paint protector, or snake oil?
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
The clear vinyl sticker shit
I don't know much about that, except it probably turns yellow over time.
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
The clear vinyl sticker shit
Ugh, no. Waste of money and it could do more harm than good. Plus it'll probably look like shit after a few seasons.
Stick with a good polish/protectant.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 20, 2017, 04:29:35 PM
Ugh, no. Waste of money and it could do more harm than good. Plus it'll probably look like shit after a few seasons.
Stick with a good polish/protectant.
This is good enough for Versa S, so it has to be good enough for MiatArf
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/$(KGrHqF,!ikE9QlB533sBPbRe!4bd!~~60_1.JPG)
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
The clear vinyl sticker shit
It actually works really well. I wish I'd had it on my G what this its dark color and all the gravel road and mountain pass driving I do. It'll also protect headlights which is a big deal. Any new(ish) car I get in the future will have it or get it.
I also never believed in seasonal timing of the auto market. Just sell the G locally. If nothing else you'll have to pay insurance if you park it, even if it's just comprehensive, and if it sits for any real length of time you'll have maintenance costs (esp. new fluids).
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
I also never believed in seasonal timing of the auto market. Just sell the G locally. If nothing else you'll have to pay insurance if you park it, even if it's just comprehensive, and if it sits for any real length of time you'll have maintenance costs (esp. new fluids).
How do you not believe in ... You should see where I work.
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
I also never believed in seasonal timing of the auto market. Just sell the G locally. If nothing else you'll have to pay insurance if you park it, even if it's just comprehensive, and if it sits for any real length of time you'll have maintenance costs (esp. new fluids).
If it's a matter of waiting 1-2 months the cost of waiting shouldn't be very high?
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
I also never believed in seasonal timing of the auto market. Just sell the G locally. If nothing else you'll have to pay insurance if you park it, even if it's just comprehensive, and if it sits for any real length of time you'll have maintenance costs (esp. new fluids).
It makes a big differance! Fun summer cars/verts prices drop like a stone in the dead of Winter here in the Salt Belt!
I think all new RFs have the updated transmission, but I'd check the VIN just to be sure
Quote from: MrH on January 20, 2017, 05:40:22 PM
I think all new RFs have the updated transmission, but I'd check the VIN just to be sure
Better get an automatic just to be 5sure.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 20, 2017, 05:27:42 PM
It makes a big differance! Fun summer cars/verts prices drop like a stone in the dead of Winter here in the Salt Belt!
Yup. Might not make a difference in SoCal or Florida, but it sure does up here.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 20, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
Better get an automatic just to be 5sure.
Bitch needs a slap.
congrats Kevin!!
too bad I can't get a work trip so I can come bum a ride....
Quote from: Rockraven on January 20, 2017, 05:53:34 PM
Yup. Might not make a difference in SoCal or Florida, but it sure does up here.
More with convertibles too. If it was a sedan I wouldn't bother waiting.
Niiiice, where's the pics?!
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
OK, agreed to the price. He's preparing the paperwork.
Getting it shipped or do I need to go pick it up for you? :lol:
Or maybe you could come up with an excuse to work from the Boulder office for a couple days, and then drive it home yourself!
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 20, 2017, 08:12:52 PM
Getting it shipped or do I need to go pick it up for you? :lol:
Shipped. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 05:07:19 PM
If it's a matter of waiting 1-2 months the cost of waiting shouldn't be very high?
Seems Catch-22 to me - would most buyers really wait 1-2 months and pay materially more rather than buying now and pay materially less?
Auto purchases are emotional but it's a very efficient market.
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 08:21:48 PM
Seems Catch-22 to me - would most buyers really wait 1-2 months and pay materially more rather than buying now and pay materially less?
Auto purchases are emotional but it's a very efficient market.
Convertibles are an emotional purchase, so yeah, I think there might be a $1-2k difference in sale price.
Buyers don't know they want a convertible right now. Not till it's 68 degrees and sunny and then they go "oh man I really want to enjoy this nice spring weather in a convertible!"
Again, that POV flies in the face of basic economics - why wait 1-2 months and pay $1k-$2k more? If that were true (known) most buyers would buy now, increasing the demand, thus negating the advantage (hence I argue it's a Catch-22). Plus in all the times I've used KBB or NADA I've never seen a "seasonal adjustment" or the like. Cars are durable goods and they generally follow a well-understood depreciation curve.
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 08:21:48 PM
Seems Catch-22 to me - would most buyers really wait 1-2 months and pay materially more rather than buying now and pay materially less?
Auto purchases are emotional but it's a very efficient market.
I always figured it as a supply-side thing. More people might want to sell their convertibles during the winter when they can't use them, especially if they're second cars. But I have no actual data to back that up and if there is any difference, I'd think that it'd be a lot smaller for a hard top like the G37.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 20, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
I always figured it as a supply-side thing. More people might want to sell their convertibles during the winter when they can't use them, especially if they're second cars. But I have no actual data to back that up and if there is any difference, I'd think that it'd be a lot smaller for a hard top like the G37.
It's true for motorcycles at least. People don't want to store them over the winter so they'll let them go for cheaper. And come spring time people get the itch to ride and get a new bike so the prices increase a bit.
Cougs' assertion assumes perfect rationality of both buyers and sellers, which is simply not the case in the real world.
Also, gotta-qik can chime in on the effects of tax refunds on used vehicle prices. :lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Again, that POV flies in the face of basic economics - why wait 1-2 months and pay $1k-$2k more? If that were true (known) most buyers would buy now, increasing the demand, thus negating the advantage (hence I argue it's a Catch-22). Plus in all the times I've used KBB or NADA I've never seen a "seasonal adjustment" or the like. Cars are durable goods and they generally follow a well-understood depreciation curve.
So simple when you remove the human element.
Kevin! Fly out and drive it back!!!!
Quote from: GoCougs on January 20, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Again, that POV flies in the face of basic economics - why wait 1-2 months and pay $1k-$2k more? If that were true (known) most buyers would buy now, increasing the demand, thus negating the advantage (hence I argue it's a Catch-22). Plus in all the times I've used KBB or NADA I've never seen a "seasonal adjustment" or the like. Cars are durable goods and they generally follow a well-understood depreciation curve.
Basic economics if we assume rational actors, but people are unpredictable and only sometimes rational. Everyone knows oil prices are gonna go up, but that Escalade is still gonna get bought cause, like, that'll happen tomorrow ya know?
Back on topic: did the Spin just get two NDs on the same week? You and Tave should totally find a way to have them meet.
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Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 20, 2017, 09:21:15 PM
It's true for motorcycles at least. People don't want to store them over the winter so they'll let them go for cheaper. And come spring time people get the itch to ride and get a new bike so the prices increase a bit.
Cougs' assertion assumes perfect rationality of both buyers and sellers, which is simply not the case in the real world.
Also, gotta-qik can chime in on the effects of tax refunds on used vehicle prices. :lol:
I agree 100%!!!! COUGS YOU'RE ASSUMING MOST PEOPLE ARE RATIONAL!! :nono: Us car guys know the drill but we're just a drop in the bucket in the car buying world! ;)
Alex don't get me started on these Black Xmas Ballers! :lol: :lol: :lol: 2001 200K Monte Carlos being purchased for 10K.........
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 21, 2017, 09:13:31 AM
I agree 100%!!!! COUGS YOU'RE ASSUMING MOST PEOPLE ARE RATIONAL!! :nono: Us car guys know the drill but we're just a drop in the bucket in the car buying world! ;)
Alex don't get me started on these Black Xmas Ballers! :lol: :lol: :lol: 2001 200K Monte Carlos being purchased for 10K.........
The guys I work for know all the trends. It's tax time, so the crap is really rolling in.
Y'all realize I make my most money around this time of year, right?
Quote from: 2o6 on January 21, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
Y'all realize I make my most money around this time of year, right?
Between tax refunds and people looking for winter beaters, not surprising given that you're flipping cars in the <$5K price range. Seasonal vehicles (convertibles, sports cars, and motorcycles) in the snow belt and vehicles at higher price points are a different market segment.
What's a Black Xmas Baller?
Got a uShip contract out. Weird, but the precomputed rates are better than the auction rates these people are giving me. I wonder if the auction rates I'm being quoted are taking into account the seasonal driving conditions, whereas the fixed rate quotes are... fixed?
Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Got a uShip contract out. Weird, but the precomputed rates are better than the auction rates these people are giving me. I wonder if the auction rates I'm being quoted are taking into account the seasonal driving conditions, whereas the fixed rate quotes are... fixed?
Do not use this guy under any circumstance: http://www.uship.com/profile/jjncsu2000/
Complete idiot. And, yes, I just admitted to having watched Shipping Wars.
Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2017, 10:43:04 AM
What's a Black Xmas Baller?
People who get their Tax Return and buy all kinds of shit they don't need but refuse to handle important business. For example: Girls buying $1000 purses, Expensive weave, giving some no good BF a couple grand, Partying every other night and purchasing some clapped out car for double the KBB price INSTEAD of paying their rent that they're behind on, repaying people they've borrowed money for or saving for a rainy day! They're usually broke by May......Car repo'd by then also! Guys do it too but not as bad as the females that get the larger returns!
Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Got a uShip contract out. Weird, but the precomputed rates are better than the auction rates these people are giving me. I wonder if the auction rates I'm being quoted are taking into account the seasonal driving conditions, whereas the fixed rate quotes are... fixed?
Thats a good question. Each time I've used it the Uship rates were lower than rates the dealer offered.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 21, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
People who get their Tax Return and buy all kinds of shit they don't need but refuse to handle important business. For example: Girls buying $1000 purses, Expensive weave, giving some no good BF a couple grand, Partying every other night and purchasing some clapped out car for double the KBB price INSTEAD of paying their rent that they're behind on, repaying people they've borrowed money for or saving for a rainy day! They're usually broke by May......Car repo'd by then also! Guys do it too but not as bad as the females that get the larger returns!
What the hell kind of tax returns do you guys get? :confused:
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2017, 06:18:32 PM
What the hell kind of tax returns do you guys get? :confused:
There are a lot of people who, via various tax credits, get a refund that's larger than what they paid in through the year.
There are also people who set their paycheck withholdings higher than they need to be and effectively overpay through the year and then get a fat refund back.
Yea I get an education credit
Quote from: MX793 on January 21, 2017, 06:51:41 PM
There are a lot of people who, via various tax credits, get a refund that's larger than what they paid in through the year.
There are also people who set their paycheck withholdings higher than they need to be and effectively overpay through the year and then get a fat refund back.
Unless the gov't pays back with interest, that's pretty dumb.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
Unless the gov't pays back with interest, that's pretty dumb.
When you get hired in, sometimes taxes are really complicated.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
Unless the gov't pays back with interest, that's pretty dumb.
Interest? Ha! I think that, in some cases, people do it intentionally because they can't save/budget and if they end up owing money come tax time, they won't be able to come up with the money to pay the bill. Or, because they can't save or budget, they use it as a means of forcing themselves to save a chunk of money so they can pay for their yearly vacation or some other large purchase (down payment for a new car, new TV, etc).
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 20, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Hence the question how much you'd be able to enjoy it in current weather. If you wait a bit for supply to catch up and hype to die down you can get a good deal on one locally?
Then again, I'm not one to make good financial decisions or wait to save money. Just do it. :lol:
40-50 degrees is top down weather everyday. :huh:
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
OK, agreed to the price. He's preparing the paperwork.
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :high5: :high5: :high5: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :golfclap: :golfclap: :golfclap: :golfclap:
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2017, 06:18:32 PM
What the hell kind of tax returns do you guys get? :confused:
$2-7k here.
My wife wants to never have to pay after filing. With the kids the laws change every year, sometimes same salary= $500 difference from previous year no other changes.
Last year I got like $3k (out of $5k paid in) but this year I have one less kid (ex claims him) and haven't changed what the gubment is taking out. So it might be $1-2k?
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2017, 06:18:32 PM
What the hell kind of tax returns do you guys get? :confused:
The biggest culprit id EIC (Earned Income Credit) thats given to people with dependents. So a girl with 3 or 4 kids working at a Fast food joint (the less you make the more you get back) may get 8-9 Grand back! Even if you have just one kid you'll get close to 4 Grand easily! I think the cap the number of dependents at 3. Thats when the other play comes into effect. Chicks let other people claim the other kids for a small fee (usually $500) so their friends/family can get a bigger return!
Holy shit I am so jealous. That thing is sexy
I'm cleaning out the third garage bay to fit the MX-5. You'd think boxes were worth their weight in gold, given how many we've been collecting...
Can't wait for my Miata Del Sol!
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/Automotive/Entity/Chrome/v2/7130._CB192201376_.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on January 21, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
Unless the gov't pays back with interest, that's pretty dumb.
Seeing that bank interest is .1%... Meh
When are you getting it?
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 22, 2017, 05:12:27 PM
When are you getting it?
Paperwork's on its way to me right now. The deal will be closed probably around the end of next week. Then I need to have it shipped. So, couple weeks? :huh:
2 looooong
Quote from: r0tor on January 22, 2017, 04:59:41 PM
Seeing that bank interest is .1%... Meh
https://www.ally.com/
Plus people who already have sufficient cash reserves should be putting that money into actual investments, so more like 5-9% depending on the asset allocation and other assumptions. But then again, those are people less likely to grossly overpay on taxes.
Quote from: Laconian on January 22, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
Paperwork's on its way to me right now. The deal will be closed probably around the end of next week. Then I need to have it shipped. So, couple weeks? :huh:
A couple of weeks? You're being taken for a ride! You could fly over there and drive it back in two days.
What color did you get?
http://www.bobpenkhus.com/new/Mazda/2017-Mazda-Mazda+MX-5+Miata-colorado-springs-8dbcafd30a0e0adf4ae7cb91205c3394.htm
Metallic gray. This is the actual car.
Paperwork should be here tomorrow. I'll send it out with a cashier's cheque the following day.
If you feel like you need a resident detailer, I'm available for a living wage and free plane tickets.
Quote from: Raza on January 24, 2017, 12:21:31 AM
A couple of weeks? You're being taken for a ride! You could fly over there and drive it back in two days.
What color did you get?
+1 drive it.
Think of all the memories and feels to be had in your first roadtrip together :wub:
Fuck, that's pretty. Like a baby SA Aperta
Quote from: Laconian on January 24, 2017, 01:01:45 AM
http://www.bobpenkhus.com/new/Mazda/2017-Mazda-Mazda+MX-5+Miata-colorado-springs-8dbcafd30a0e0adf4ae7cb91205c3394.htm
Metallic gray. This is the actual car.
:golfclap:
Quote from: Rich on January 24, 2017, 01:47:50 AM
+1 drive it.
Think of all the memories and feels to be had in your first roadtrip together :wub:
Yes, driving through the Rockies and Cascades during the middle of winter, in a little RWD roadster... that's the recipe for memories, all right.
Quote from: Laconian on January 24, 2017, 11:22:34 AM
Yes, driving through the Rockies and Cascades during the middle of winter, in a little RWD roadster... that's the recipe for memories, all right.
You'll be fine!
I'd be less worried about driving it through the snow than getting salt on it.
Quote from: Laconian on January 24, 2017, 01:01:45 AM
http://www.bobpenkhus.com/new/Mazda/2017-Mazda-Mazda+MX-5+Miata-colorado-springs-8dbcafd30a0e0adf4ae7cb91205c3394.htm
Metallic gray. This is the actual car.
I just got off the phone with Bob. I offered MSRP for it. Can you drive it up to me?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 24, 2017, 11:48:55 AM
I'd be less worried about driving it through the snow than getting salt on it.
Yeah, nothing like rail dust on your brand new car.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 24, 2017, 11:55:28 AM
I just got off the phone with Bob. I offered MSRP for it. Can you drive it up to me?
Sorry, he charged my Amex. I gots this
Got da paperwork today. Will send it out tomorrow. Friday's looking good for closing.
Cashier's check sent!
inb4 Nigerian scam.
Ebony Prince John promised me a trunk full of rubies if I buy the car immediately
Quote from: Laconian on January 25, 2017, 11:58:39 AM
Ebony Prince John promised me a trunk full of rubies if I buy the car immediately
RFs have trunks full of rubies up here. It's the only thing that explains the fucking price.
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Mazda/Unspecified/Nanaimo/British+Columbia/5_30314433_CT200422311759257/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_267
Miatas approaching $50k lolwtf
Quote from: Rockraven on January 25, 2017, 12:06:04 PM
RFs have trunks full of rubies up here. It's the only thing that explains the fucking price.
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Mazda/Unspecified/Nanaimo/British+Columbia/5_30314433_CT200422311759257/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_267
Of course: it's the Mazda Unspecified MX-5, the most elusive of all the trims!
These guys gave me a good bid and their reviews look excellent. Y/N?
http://www.uship.com/profile/UnderDogTransport/
Quote from: Laconian on January 25, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
These guys gave me a good bid and their reviews look excellent. Y/N?
http://www.uship.com/profile/UnderDogTransport/
All I can say is don't take the
lowest bid.
What are red flags to look for?
Quote from: Laconian on January 25, 2017, 04:50:13 PM
What are red flags to look for?
Asking for a deposit before your car is even on a truck. Not returning phone calls after you pay the deposit. Not refunding the deposit, forcing you to file a claim through your credit card. Taking a few months to respond to a BBB complaint. At least, that's my experience. :facepalm:
Doesn't UShip deal with this shiat?
Quote from: Laconian on January 25, 2017, 05:12:27 PM
Doesn't UShip deal with this shiat?
Yes! They carrier DOES NOT get any money before you release the funds! Uship will send you and email with A CODE AND YOU DON'T GIVE THE DRIVER THE CODE UNTIL THE WHOLE TRANSACTION IS COMPLETE! So even if you pay up front you don't have to worry about the driver skipping off with the money or screwing you around!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 25, 2017, 05:16:09 PM
Yes! They carrier DOES NOT get any money before you release the funds! Uship will send you and email with A CODE AND YOU DON'T GIVE THE DRIVER THE CODE UNTIL THE WHOLE TRANSACTION IS COMPLETE! So even if you pay up front you don't have to worry about the driver skipping off with the money or screwing you around!
That sounds sweet. What do you think of this Underdog thing, Mr. QikC6?
I kind of think that dealing with a sole proprietor has its advantages, vs. indirectly hiring min wage fuckups.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 25, 2017, 05:16:09 PM
Yes! They carrier DOES NOT get any money before you release the funds! Uship will send you and email with A CODE AND YOU DON'T GIVE THE DRIVER THE CODE UNTIL THE WHOLE TRANSACTION IS COMPLETE! So even if you pay up front you don't have to worry about the driver skipping off with the money or screwing you around!
That's all good, then. I didn't use Uship when I shipped. :banghead:
Quote from: Laconian on January 25, 2017, 05:21:28 PM
That sounds sweet. What do you think of this Underdog thing, Mr. QikC6?
I kind of think that dealing with a sole proprietor has its advantages, vs. indirectly hiring min wage fuckups.
I just checked out his Reviews! Seems like a good guy to go with! I'd give him a shot! I like that he includes pictures of the loads he's hauled! He's also insured up to 100K. I say go for it!
I hope you're getting the car shipped in an enclosed trailer, or at least still covered in all the paper and plastic
Quote from: 68_427 on January 25, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
I hope you're getting the car shipped in an enclosed trailer, or at least still covered in all the paper and plastic
I agree. I wouldn't want a dirty brand new car delivered to me, I want it to be a shiny gem. The first few washes and wax job should be super gentle and be done when the car is cleaner than you may normally wash your car...starting off right makes for continued good habits. Sort of an "it's gentler to dust than it is to sweep dirt" kinda concept.
At least, do NOT let the trucker "wash it for you" at the local car wash on his way before he gets to town. Get it professionally done (or DIY?) if it arrives dirty...what's another $100? :lol: Myself and I'm sure others here would be happy to throw suggestions for basic stuff if you want to get into DIY for this gâterie spéciale.
Recommend taking the car here as soon as you get it (they have a "new car" detail package). These guys did the G a few months ago and it was stellar - they even provide loaners!
http://www.metropolitandetail.com/
Quote from: GoCougs on January 25, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Recommend taking the car here as soon as you get it (they have a "new car" detail package). These guys did the G a few months ago and it was stellar - they even provide loaners!
http://www.metropolitandetail.com/
$595 for the new car treatment? $1200 for a polish and sealant?! Jesus Christ I need to get out of the UP.
They do a lot of high-end stuff - they even have a Model S loaner (but I got an xB ;)). The Yelp and Google reviews are stellar.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 25, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
$595 for the new car treatment? $1200 for a polish and sealant?! Jesus Christ I need to get out of the UP.
I think I paid $700 per vehicle for full paint correction and sealant, and I thought that was cheap. If you want to get into that world of detailing, there's money to be made for sure.
But yes Kevin, get it detailed immediately. You're going to have a metric fuck ton of paint swirls straight from the dealer. Usually they suck at detailing and rub all that rail road dust and dirt right into the clear coat.
Will say however they got wax/polishing/whatever dust on my windshield, and it streaked so bad I could hardly see driving home (at night, in the driving rain). I could only do like 50 mph on the freeway. Took me a couple of hours with jeweler's polishing compound to clean the windshield. Would suggest you tell them to mask your windows before doing any work.
Quote from: GoCougs on January 26, 2017, 10:16:29 AM
Will say however they got wax/polishing/whatever dust on my windshield, and it streaked so bad I could hardly see driving home (at night, in the driving rain). I could only do like 50 mph on the freeway. Took me a couple of hours with jeweler's polishing compound to clean the windshield. Would suggest you tell them to mask your windows before doing any work.
Mineral spirits. Best way to deep clean windows.
I think my guy put some sort of opticoat product on the windows too. On the S2k, I don't even use the wipers when it rains. Everything beads and runs off.
Quote from: 68_427 on January 25, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
I hope you're getting the car shipped in an enclosed trailer, or at least still covered in all the paper and plastic
Wow, it's spendy. $1500 for enclosed vs. $700-900.
Hmm. I have 'til the end of the day to decide; that's when my open trailer auction expires.
Oh shit, Montway Auto Transport is $1059. Hmmmmm
Quote from: Laconian on January 26, 2017, 10:56:39 AM
Oh shit, Montway Auto Transport is $1059. Hmmmmm
Thats who brought my first C6! They're pretty good! Got the car here from Houston in two days!
I'll just do that then.
Check cleared, shit's done. Transport can pick it up as early as Saturday.
This was easy!
Hot! Can't wait for pictures and impressions!
Btw, did you drive any ND before this to see how you like the car, or just going at it with the full force of faith in Zoom Zoom?
Quote from: GoCougs on January 26, 2017, 10:16:29 AM
Will say however they got wax/polishing/whatever dust on my windshield, and it streaked so bad I could hardly see driving home (at night, in the driving rain). I could only do like 50 mph on the freeway. Took me a couple of hours with jeweler's polishing compound to clean the windshield. Would suggest you tell them to mask your windows before doing any work.
You paid $600 and they left shit on your windshield? Sounds like they do great work! :facepalm:
Quote from: Xer0 on January 26, 2017, 03:55:30 PM
Hot! Can't wait for pictures and impressions!
Btw, did you drive any ND before this to see how you like the car, or just going at it with the full force of faith in Zoom Zoom?
I did the Mazda track days thing, so I know how well the ragtop drives. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt with the RF based on my faith in Zoom Zoom and the glowing reviews I've read
Quote from: Laconian on January 26, 2017, 03:35:27 PM
Check cleared, shit's done. Transport can pick it up as early as Saturday.
This was easy!
As the resident Miata/MX5 hater it kills me to say I hope you have a ball with it! :rockon: That color combo looks REALLY good tho! I'm happy for ya! :cheers:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 26, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
As the resident Miata/MX5 hater it kills me to say I hope you have a ball with it! :rockon: That color combo looks REALLY good tho! I'm happy for ya! :cheers:
Wait a minute. You hate Miatas? That's not allowed here, you know.
YUP! I hate Miatas AND I drive an Automatic Corvette! Hell has frozen over.........
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 26, 2017, 05:13:35 PM
YUP! I hate Miatas AND I drive an Automatic Corvette! Hell has frozen over.........
God damnit! :rage:
Quote from: Laconian on January 26, 2017, 03:35:27 PM
Check cleared, shit's done. Transport can pick it up as early as Saturday.
This was easy!
So jealous. :mrcool: Congrats and hope y'all love it!
Amazon should be able to drop a Miata via aerial drone with two day Prime shipping.
Delivery via drone!
Taking delivery in 4-6 days. Had to pay $1200 for the transport. :\
My S-plan advantage, erased! Oh well, the car is achingly pretty, I must drives it
Drives it, you must, indeed. Also, pics of shins.
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
Like the reflection in the eyes of an ancient and fearsome dragon.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
Burnt Cinnamon Chutney Pearl Mica
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
Like the stool of an ancient and fearsome dragon with a bile duct obstruction who recently ate a large bag of pixie dust.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
Taking delivery in 4-6 days. Had to pay $1200 for the transport. :\
Why?
Enclosed. I had second thoughts about it going through the snowy/salty Rockies and Cascades. It was a $400 premium over open transport.
Hey, it was just picked up! That was fast. O_O
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 05:53:44 PM
Enclosed. I had second thoughts about it going through the snowy/salty Rockies and Cascades. It was a $400 premium over open transport.
MX-5 RF must be hauled in Trailer RF.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 30, 2017, 06:16:45 PM
MX-5 RF must be hauled in Trailer RF.
Fast fact: Optimus Prime is a Mack truck RF whose folding roof mechanism became sentient.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 06:25:05 PM
Fast fact: Optimus Prime is a Mack truck RF whose folding roof mechanism became sentient.
Woe: when did he become a Mack????
(This is in fact up to debate)
In the live action films, he was a Peterbilt and then a Western Star. Pretty sure he was a Freightliner in the cartoons.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
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Quote from: MX793 on January 30, 2017, 06:45:29 PM
In the live action films, he was a Peterbilt and then a Western Star. Pretty sure he was a Freightliner in the cartoons.
Most call him a Freightliner K100, but I believe he was actually a Hino.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/6a/40/4d6a402ea0de716c86daae085573c125.jpg
(http://noagendaentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/heino.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 30, 2017, 06:46:43 PM
Most call him a Freightliner K100, but I believe he was actually a Hino.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/6a/40/4d6a402ea0de716c86daae085573c125.jpg
Hino's grille is too wide and Prime didn't have a one-piece windshield. Definitely an old Freightliner cabover.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 30, 2017, 07:22:59 PM
(http://noagendaentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/heino.jpg)
Clearly a Gobot.
Quote from: MX793 on January 30, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
Hino's grille is too wide and Prime didn't have a one-piece windshield. Definitely an old Freightliner cabover.
Theres another older model that was much closer, but I can't remember what it was called.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 05:53:56 PM
Hey, it was just picked up! That was fast. O_O
I told you those guys don't mess around! :cheers:
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
Red.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Only to those that can artfully describe its colour.
#454545 metallic
Quote from: 68_427 on January 31, 2017, 12:09:57 AM
#454545 metallic
Admirable attempt, but keep in mind that paint is a pigment, therefore only CMYK answers are acceptable.
When you get it I'd like a few videos of the top going up and down with the camera as close as you can to the guts of the operation. Porsche Targa has a ridiculous amount of little bits moving, I want to see how they compare.
Quote from: Rich on January 31, 2017, 12:29:23 AM
When you get it I'd like a few videos of the top going up and down with the camera as close as you can to the guts of the operation. Porsche Targa has a ridiculous amount of little bits moving, I want to see how they compare.
Roger, close ups of pistons going in and out. Maybe some saxophone music?
Quote from: Laconian on January 31, 2017, 12:31:10 AM
Roger, close ups of pistons going in and out. Maybe some saxophone music?
High def too, please. VR while you're at it
360 video so we can look around at whatever instead of the car
Quote from: Laconian on January 31, 2017, 12:31:10 AM
Roger, close ups of pistons going in and out. Maybe some saxophone music?
Can't go wrong with some Barry White.
Zoolander Blue Steel
https://forum.miata.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=259826&d=1485539637
Quote from: 68_427 on January 31, 2017, 11:01:00 PM
https://forum.miata.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=259826&d=1485539637
Cannot view
oh it's the paint repair process for your color. I can't view it either but I figured maybe you'd be a member.
I am, but I haven't touched those credentials in ages..
Tiem to take question mark off of title
Done
Doesn't the upside down exclamation point at the beginning negate the upright one at the end?
¡No, it prepares you for verbal emphasis!
Quote from: Laconian on February 01, 2017, 10:25:14 AM
¡No, it prepares you for verbal emphasis!
I like to be surprised at the end, tho. :rage:
Quote from: Laconian on February 01, 2017, 10:25:14 AM
¡No, it prepares you for verbal emphasis!
Thanks for the spoiler alert...
Should I use an interrobang to provide readers with a sense of stunned disbelief‽‽‽
Quote from: Laconian on February 01, 2017, 10:35:46 AM
Should I use an interrobang to provide readers with a sense of stunned disbelief‽‽‽
That so didn't mean what I assumed it meant, which had to do with he phrase "casting couch."
Interrogation couch?
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
^Not sure I want to click on that following the current context
It's sunny! Car is coming tomorrow. Forecast for Friday: RAIN. Fuck
Not sure if I want to take it out before I put the paint protection shit on it
Delivery moved up to TONIGHT FUCKIN TONIGHT WE SO EXCITED
Vanity plate: GRENGUJU?
Quote from: Laconian on February 02, 2017, 01:01:12 PM
Delivery moved up to TONIGHT FUCKIN TONIGHT WE SO EXCITED
:rockon:
Nice! You must be quite giddy sitting there at work. :lol:
I wouldn't be able to work. I'd probably just take the rest of the day off to go stand by my door waiting for it to arrive. :lol:
G37 insurance is going into cryostasis.
MX5 is now insured.
Yes I am very excite. But it won't show up until 7 or 8.
M-minus 3 hours
Is it there yet?????
Not yet! I'm making dinner but keep getting distracted.
Lolololol. Are they able to deliver to your house?
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No time for gud pics; gotta drive bbl
Needs some mad wheels now or some 5-10mm spacers
Quote from: Raza on February 02, 2017, 10:39:14 PM
Green goo Jew?
Trep reference. He wanted it for his Camry. It means "ecologically minded Gujurati"
Gujarati are a gorgeous people - or at least the women are - they're the ones with the big beautiful eyes - I've date two such beauties and just took a pic-filled trip down memory lane ;).
OH AND PICS OF SHINS
Need burnout vids immediately
Lawl, it snowed on my drive. Car's very dusty from the trip over too. Still looks fucking amazing.
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I like the wheels. Lil' brakes tho
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The car reminds me sooooooooooooo much of my NA, with extra refinement around the rough edges. The engine has a bit of the same rough "riding a chainsaw" feel, lol. The intake whine @ 4k is new though.
God damn, I looooooooooove the sheet metal. The shape feels so retrofuturistic. The buttresses and fat haunches just make me :vapors:
Do the photos work?
If not, look here: https://goo.gl/photos/5jj17ECVvts4CihAA
Have you put the top down yet? Salesman showed it to me last week, was impressed with the speed and simplicity.
Needs a drop and a lip
I wish you'd gotten the blue then taken a picture with all three cars lol
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 03, 2017, 12:08:44 AM
Have you put the top down yet? Salesman showed it to me last week, was impressed with the speed and simplicity.
Yeah, then it started snowing. :lol: It was like being in a jacuzzi because the aero kept the snow out... 'till I stopped. Then it dumped inside the cockpit.
Quote from: Laconian on February 02, 2017, 10:43:56 PM
Trep reference. He wanted it for his Camry. It means "ecologically minded Gujurati"
Somehow I prefer my interpretation.
Quote from: Laconian on February 03, 2017, 12:15:16 AM
Yeah, then it started snowing. :lol: It was like being in a jacuzzi because the aero kept the snow out... 'till I stopped. Then it dumped inside the cockpit.
I've been there. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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A joyous little creature, so beautiful, It was as if a gate of Heaven opened as she came in...
- Victor Hugo
Quote from: Rockraven on February 03, 2017, 05:24:41 AM
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A joyous little creature, so beautiful, It was as if a gate of Heaven opened as she came in...
- Victor Hugo
A little more Close Encounters than heavenly light, I think.
That's a great looking car. :ohyeah:
Congrats! Now I have 2 reasons to come visit!
ok, 3. My sister lives there, take a Miata ride, see y'all. :mrcool:
Quote from: Raza on February 03, 2017, 05:46:34 AM
A little more Close Encounters than heavenly light, I think.
Quiet, heathen.
Aw man sweet!
Awesome! Grand Touring trim, correct?
Is LSD an option on GT models? Or just Club?
Is the RF available in Club trim?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 03, 2017, 09:29:10 AM
Is LSD an option on GT models? Or just Club?
Is the RF available in Club trim?
If only there were a way to look that up...
:lol:
I like!
Quote from: Laconian on February 02, 2017, 11:44:44 PM
Do the photos work?
If not, look here: https://goo.gl/photos/5jj17ECVvts4CihAA
It looks purple.
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 03, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
It looks purple.
No, that is definitely a shade of orange.
Quote from: Raza on February 03, 2017, 10:39:25 AM
Just the lighting.
Well, the car *does* look a bit like a spaceship.
Quote from: Laconian on February 03, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
Well, the car *does* look a bit like a spaceship.
Great looking car. I like this angle, more mauve than purple...
(https://s29.postimg.org/swg8yqajr/IMG_20170202_222148.jpg)
brum gurple
I configgerated the exact car up here. $43,675. :cry:
I really love the white pearl coloure on the new NDs.
How do you like the top? Do the buttresses impede on the open top feel of the car?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 03, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
I really love the white pearl coloure on the new NDs.
How do you like the top? Do the buttresses impede on the open top feel of the car?
THE TOP IS FUCKING GREAT! It's the ultimate wind blocker. It impinges very slightly on the open top feel, but the positives of the reduction in airflow and wind noise dramatically outweigh the negatives.
My basis for comparison is the G37, which gets blustery thanks to the lack of any wind blocker and a back seat.
brummetal brap
Quote from: Rockraven on February 03, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
I configgerated the exact car up here. $43,675. :cry:
That's about $10k more than here. MSRP here is ~$33k
Quote from: Laconian on February 03, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
That's about $10k more than here. MSRP here is ~$33k
:cry:
If my car was a Dodge product, it'd be named something stupid like "Check Me Out Charcoal" or "Moonshiner Midnight Metallic"
light black
pewter poof
Light layer of coal dust
Quote from: Laconian on February 03, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
Well, the car *does* look a bit like a spaceship.
It's no Versa S, but I'll give you that.
Quote from: Rockraven on February 03, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
I configgerated the exact car up here. $43,675. :cry:
I don't know how that compares to the rest of the Canadian auto market, but with current exchange rates, that's like $33.5k USD. :huh:
Maybe the rest of their Mazdas are too cheap...?
I'm so jealous. Congratulations man, enjoy!
Quote from: Laconian on February 03, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
Well, the car *does* look a bit like a spaceship.
The Japanese do have that "salvaged alien tech" air about their products at times.
Quote from: Laconian on February 03, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Maybe the rest of their Mazdas are too cheap...?
Well for comparison, the Mazda3 5-door starts at $19,150 in the US, and $21,450 here. Most cars are typically only 5-15% more here even with the exchange rate. Low volume and luxe euro makes are 20% and higher.
Going to zip to Home Depot and the grocery store in an hour. But in the car, such excitement...
Quote from: Laconian on February 04, 2017, 11:39:55 AM
Going to zip to Home Depot and the grocery store in an hour. But in the car, such excitement...
Take the long way. Return home empty handed.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 04, 2017, 11:48:29 AM
Take the long way. Return home empty handed.
I don't think he'll be bringing home a dozen slabs of sheetrock.
Just some electrical shit. Getting some LED light bulbs, an outdoor light timer, and returning a GFCI.
Then getting banana plug receptacles and a voltage regulator transistor at the electronics store.
Pick me up a multimeter while you're out plox?
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 04, 2017, 01:27:33 PM
Pick me up a multimeter while you're out plox?
Home Despot doesn't sale Meggers
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s640x640/16473058_10154127025076631_65114610395869315_n.jpg?oh=76f8fc06b2eec0b31d93abf4967a5f9d&oe=5911BBF2)
(http://i.imgur.com/RVqgjmM.jpg)
A week later and I really want an ND. Would be the perfect car to drive around while building a Cobra. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 04, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
What do they have, Flukes?
Fluke makes Meggers too.
They have the Klein meters, and I have one and find it perfectly Cromulent.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 04, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Fluke makes Meggers too.
They have the Klein meters, and I have one and find it perfectly Cromulent.
You mean Fluke makes meggers, not Meggers.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
A week later and I really want an ND. Would be the perfect car to drive around while building a Cobra. :lol:
:hammerhead:
Looks great in the parking lot. Trunk is deceptively heuge.
I already have a Fluke multimeter yo
Quote from: 68_427 on February 04, 2017, 01:57:22 PM
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(http://i.imgur.com/RVqgjmM.jpg)
want
I saw someone photoshopped louvers to the rear and it looked amazing. 3D print some.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 05, 2017, 07:05:19 AM
I saw someone photoshopped louvers to the rear and it looked amazing. 3D print some.
want
on versa s
Louvers wouldn't stow in the compartment lol
(http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-932-524/public/7UKLIAj.jpg?itok=Ql0LFuUD)
Quote from: 68_427 on February 05, 2017, 11:20:46 AM
(http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-932-524/public/7UKLIAj.jpg?itok=Ql0LFuUD)
dayum
Car looks great.
Now all it needs is a fat ole' turbo.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 05, 2017, 11:20:46 AM
(http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-932-524/public/7UKLIAj.jpg?itok=Ql0LFuUD)
Oh. OK, that looks awesome.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 05, 2017, 11:20:46 AM
(http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-932-524/public/7UKLIAj.jpg?itok=Ql0LFuUD)
That actually looks way better than stock. The buttresses look great in profile, but a little strange from the rear 3/4 shot.
Not a fan. Might as well put a LeBra on the front too for that complete '80s effect.
The Curse of the New Car: it's snowing pretty heavily right now. Cannot drive.
Also, I thought about the louvers. The obstruction would add a lot of wind turbulence in the cabin. When you pop the top, the rear window folds down. Still looks nice though, and definitely an interesting mod choice if you plan on just keeping the top up all the time.
Quote from: MX793 on February 05, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
That actually looks way better than stock. The buttresses look great in profile, but a little strange from the rear 3/4 shot.
They look pretty nice in person. I think it's the tiny tail end that lets it down a bit.
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
The Curse of the New Car: it's snowing pretty heavily right now. Cannot drive.
Also, I thought about the louvers. The obstruction would add a lot of wind turbulence in the cabin. When you pop the top, the rear window folds down. Still looks nice though, and definitely an interesting mod choice if you plan on just keeping the top up all the time.
If you just wanted to keep the top up all the time you'd be better off with a soft top + removable hard top.
Yes, that would save about $5k. :P
The ND doesn't have Frankenstein bolts, right?
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
The Curse of the New Car: it's snowing pretty heavily right now. Cannot drive.
Also, I thought about the louvers. The obstruction would add a lot of wind turbulence in the cabin. When you pop the top, the rear window folds down. Still looks nice though, and definitely an interesting mod choice if you plan on just keeping the top up all the time.
I actually think the louvres would help with cabin turbulence by acting as a sort of wind blocker to keep air coming over the top of the windshield from circling back.
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 01:26:55 PM
Yes, that would save about $5k. :P
The ND doesn't have Frankenstein bolts, right?
It has the provisions for it like the previous gen cars did.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 06, 2017, 01:42:42 PM
It has the provisions for it like the previous gen cars did.
I wonder if the windows are shaped the same though, to use an NC/earlier hardtop...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 06, 2017, 01:49:17 PM
I wonder if the windows are shaped the same though, to use an NC/earlier hardtop...
lol definitely not.
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
The Curse of the New Car: it's snowing pretty heavily right now. Cannot drive.
Also, I thought about the louvers. The obstruction would add a lot of wind turbulence in the cabin. When you pop the top, the rear window folds down. Still looks nice though, and definitely an interesting mod choice if you plan on just keeping the top up all the time.
The point of the Louvers is to minimize sun into the cabin, those long hatchbacks got a lot of greenhouse going on! Back in the day when A/C wasn't as common/efficient. So I would say it's unnecessary for the RF...
I wish it was an MX-5 FR (Fixed Roof)
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 06, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
The point of the Louvers is to minimize sun into the cabin, those long hatchbacks got a lot of greenhouse going on! Back in the day when A/C wasn't as common/efficient. So I would say it's unnecessary for the RF...
The also looked cool, trapped leaves, and gave spiders and wasps a place to live.
Quote from: MX793 on February 06, 2017, 03:04:15 PM
The also looked cool, trapped leaves, and gave spiders and wasps a place to live.
:lol:
Quote from: MX793 on February 06, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
I actually think the louvres would help with cabin turbulence by acting as a sort of wind blocker to keep air coming over the top of the windshield from circling back.
There is already a clear acrylic wind blocker in place..
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
The Curse of the New Car: it's snowing pretty heavily right now. Cannot drive.
Also, I thought about the louvers. The obstruction would add a lot of wind turbulence in the cabin. When you pop the top, the rear window folds down. Still looks nice though, and definitely an interesting mod choice if you plan on just keeping the top up all the time like a punk bitch.
FTFY.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 06, 2017, 01:23:32 PM
If you just wanted to keep the top up all the time, like a punk bitch, you'd be better off with a soft top + removable hard top.
FTFY.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 06, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
I wish it was an MX-5 FR (Fixed Roof)
And a 2+2? And a submarine. Weighing 1,900 pounds, with a V8, and costing $15,000.
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
There is already a clear acrylic wind blocker in place..
If that's the case, the louvres may not make any difference at all in terms of cabin turbulence. I actually think they might improve aerodynamics over the back of the car. Although I think those were a photoshop; not sure anybody is actually making them for the car, so it's all kind of moot.
Quote from: Raza on February 06, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
And a 2+2? And a submarine. Weighing 1,900 pounds, with a V8, and costing $15,000.
You have my attention. Could there be a rear half door to make it easier for my dogs to use the back seat?
Quote from: Raza on February 06, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
And a 2+2? And a submarine. Weighing 1,900 pounds, with a V8, and costing $15,000.
That could be a good deal, at that price!
Quote from: MX793 on February 06, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
If that's the case, the louvres may not make any difference at all in terms of cabin turbulence. I actually think they might improve aerodynamics over the back of the car. Although I think those were a photoshop; not sure anybody is actually making them for the car, so it's all kind of moot.
It is a shoop, but I'm just mulling over whether or not it's a good idea.
Looks like my university recruiting trip will coincide with sunny weather in the low 50's. That'll be an easy and scenic way to rack up some break-in miles. Chuckanut drive ftw. Too bad it's so short.
Louvres almost always look like tacky afterthoughts, even when they're kinda cool like on muscle cars or Datsuns. The only time they look remotely classy is as engine louvres to a mid-engined exotic.
Anyone who'd cover up those achingly beautiful buttresses with a couple strips of plastic needs an eye exam.
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
It is a shoop, but I'm just mulling over whether or not it's a good idea.
It's not.
Quote from: Tave on February 07, 2017, 06:01:31 AM
Louvres almost always look like tacky afterthoughts, even when they're kinda cool like on muscle cars or Datsuns. The only time they look remotely classy is as engine louvres to a mid-engined exotic.
Anyone who'd cover up those achingly beautiful buttresses with a couple strips of plastic needs an eye exam.
:hesaid:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 06, 2017, 08:00:06 PM
You have my attention. Could there be a rear half door to make it easier for my dogs to use the back seat?
Well, they could add another half door, but then they'd have to make it a 2+2+3; it'll weigh 50 pounds more and cost an extra $75.
A fixed roof Miata option would not be the end of the world, especially if it could save some weight and add some rigidity for racers and hardcore track guys.
Why not just get a BRZ, then? More powah and lower CoG.
Ah, brap brap brap to work. Can't wait 'til I hit the 600 mile mark. Then it's WOT all the time.
Quote from: Laconian on February 07, 2017, 11:36:11 AM
Ah, brap brap brap to work. Can't wait 'til I hit the 600 mile mark. Then it's WOT all the time.
Wouldn't hurt to do an oil change then, too.
Quote from: Laconian on February 07, 2017, 11:04:30 AM
Why not just get a BRZ, then? More powah and lower CoG.
Heavier weight, shittier engine, struts up front.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 07, 2017, 12:13:29 PM
Wouldn't hurt to do an oil change then, too.
It's not good to let my engine gargle metal filings?
I've never had to worry about it since I've always bought used, but I thought that most engines were broken in at the factory these days?
The manual says "you don't have to but you probably want to".
lol fair enough.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 07, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
I've never had to worry about it since I've always bought used, but I thought that most engines were broken in at the factory these days?
Almost never.
The engine bay is suuuuper tidy on the NDs. Lots of space, the hoses and wires are laid out really tidily. It's remarkable how long the crash protection north of the engine is, though.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 07, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Heavier weight, shittier engine, struts up front.
+1 ND is way better
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 07, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
I've never had to worry about it since I've always bought used, but I thought that most engines were broken in at the factory these days?
The engines are started up a few times during transport and such, but I don't think manufacturers take the time to put every single engine on a dyno and run it long enough to "break it in."
These days, manufacturing and tolerances are so good that "break-in" is pretty much a thing of the past, but it can't hurt to be gentle on a fresh engine. I imagine a good portion of the car buying populace doesn't give one shit about breaking their engine in (or even know what that means)...there'd be a lot of destroyed engines if it was a truly necessary thing.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 07, 2017, 12:43:55 PM
The engines are started up a few times during transport and such, but I don't think manufacturers take the time to put every single engine on a dyno and run it long enough to "break it in."
These days, manufacturing and tolerances are so good that "break-in" is pretty much a thing of the past, but it can't hurt to be gentle on a fresh engine. I imagine a good portion of the car buying populace doesn't give one shit about breaking their engine in (or even know what that means)...there'd be a lot of destroyed engines if it was a truly necessary thing.
Well, I imagine that a good portion of the car buying populace rarely drives at WOT anyway, especially up to redline.
When I bought my FJ I was told not to keep it at one single RPM either.
Supposedly you want a lot of varying RPMs and loads. Vary the RPM up to about 75% of redline and about 75% WOT. YOu want some load to seat the rings, or so I've heard.
But as Charlie said most of my vehicles are used so at that point it doesn't matter.
I wonder if anybody on the intertubes has done any hard testing of breaking in vs not breaking in. I bet race car mechanics and engine builders would know a thing or two.
I believe my last several new cars only called for not running at steady RPMs for prolonged periods (IOW, don't use cruise control) for the first 600 miles. My Kawi said that as well as not to exceed 4000 RPM for the first 600 miles, which was tough since 4000 RPM in top gear is 60 mph.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 07, 2017, 01:09:01 PM
I wonder if anybody on the intertubes has done any hard testing of breaking in vs not breaking in. I bet race car mechanics and engine builders would know a thing or two.
Race engines get rebuilt frequently. For them, break in is just seating the rings so that it doesn't catastrophically fail early.
Quote from: MX793 on February 07, 2017, 01:22:15 PM
Race engines get rebuilt frequently. For them, break in is just seating the rings so that it doesn't catastrophically fail early.
Right, I'm just saying they'd probably have some input on the subject.
Quote from: MX793 on February 07, 2017, 01:18:58 PM
I believe my last several new cars only called for not running at steady RPMs for prolonged periods (IOW, don't use cruise control) for the first 600 miles. My Kawi said that as well as not to exceed 4000 RPM for the first 600 miles, which was tough since 4000 RPM in top gear is 60 mph.
Mine just says don't race the engine, don't go at steady speeds, and don't stop too hard.
I've read online of people wringing the shit out of their bikes during break in and that they get more power and reliability out of it.
Sounds too good to be true so I just follow the owner's manual. I figure the OEM's probably know best in this case.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 07, 2017, 01:39:03 PM
I've read online of people wringing the shit out of their bikes during break in and that they get more power and reliability out of it.
Sounds too good to be true so I just follow the owner's manual. I figure the OEM's probably know best in this case.
I've read alot into this and I know people who have done this not only with bikes but hi-po street engines as well. Alot of people believe in breaking it in the way you plan on riding/driving it.
performance vs longevity, OEM is going for the latter.
Quote from: Laconian on February 07, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
The manual says "you don't have to but you probably want to".
I was given a 1000 mile break-in for my Jetta (which was in 08), and they scheduled a complimentary 1000 mile "check-in", which included an oil-change.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 07, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Heavier weight, shittier engine, struts up front.
More practical, stiffer, other stuff probably.
Quote from: Raza on February 07, 2017, 11:34:56 PM
I was given a 1000 mile break-in for my Jetta (which was in 08), and they scheduled a complimentary 1000 mile "check-in", which included an oil-change.
More VW lies. It was probably broken in by 900 miles.
1k oil change is a good idea. There's usually goo on the cams from installation that thickens up the oil and gets into the filter. Along with any other stuff from first startup.
Creature comforts! There are some nice goodies on the car that I was unaware of when I bought it. My favorite are the swiveling headlights, which turn to illuminate the road around corners. I've experienced them before in BMWs and Volvos, but it's a treat to have it for myself. Another cool thing are auto-dimming side mirrors. We have them on the Outback, and they're nice there. In a low car they are a GODSEND, because otherwise every CUV/SUV car would be blasting HID glare right in your face. The heated seats are among the best I've used, farrr better than the "did I pee myself?" luke-warmers of the Outback. The heater gets up to temp quickly, too. It takes about 2 minutes, compared to 5-6 in the Outback. It's pretty ironic that the summer car is better at getting warm than the cold weather car. :lol:
:rockon:
Quote from: Laconian on February 08, 2017, 11:01:37 AM
Creature comforts! There are some nice goodies on the car that I was unaware of when I bought it. My favorite are the swiveling headlights, which turn to illuminate the road around corners. I've experienced them before in BMWs and Volvos, but it's a treat to have it for myself. Another cool thing are auto-dimming side mirrors. We have them on the Outback, and they're nice there. In a low car they are a GODSEND, because otherwise every CUV/SUV car would be blasting HID glare right in your face. The heated seats are among the best I've used, farrr better than the "did I pee myself?" luke-warmers of the Outback. The heater gets up to temp quickly, too. It takes about 2 minutes, compared to 5-6 in the Outback. It's pretty ironic that the summer car is better at getting warm than the cold weather car. :lol:
:rockon:
For some reason I thought our Outback also had swiveling headlights.
Another advantage of a tiny car is that once the heater starts pumping warm air, it doesn't take much time for the cockpit to warm up too.
Heated seats are the one thing I really wish the S2000 had. That said, I just got a new down jacket that keeps me warm at the lowest temps that I'd be driving the S2000 anyway.
Quote from: Laconian on February 08, 2017, 11:01:37 AM
Creature comforts! There are some nice goodies on the car that I was unaware of when I bought it. My favorite are the swiveling headlights, which turn to illuminate the road around corners. I've experienced them before in BMWs and Volvos, but it's a treat to have it for myself. Another cool thing are auto-dimming side mirrors. We have them on the Outback, and they're nice there. In a low car they are a GODSEND, because otherwise every CUV/SUV car would be blasting HID glare right in your face. The heated seats are among the best I've used, farrr better than the "did I pee myself?" luke-warmers of the Outback. The heater gets up to temp quickly, too. It takes about 2 minutes, compared to 5-6 in the Outback. It's pretty ironic that the summer car is better at getting warm than the cold weather car. :lol:
Good seat heaters probably give you 8-10 degrees on your bottom top down temperature. I don't think I could go into the 20s without seat heaters. Although, without the rear wind deflector in the Z4, high 20s can feel pretty cold, even on surface streets.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 08, 2017, 10:50:20 AM
1k oil change is a good idea. There's usually goo on the cams from installation that thickens up the oil and gets into the filter. Along with any other stuff from first startup.
Yeah mine wasn't called out for needing one but I went ahead and got my oil changed when the winter tires were being put on. Figured it couldn't hurt.
V8 swap needed immediately
http://www.thedrive.com/news/7466/is-a-525-hp-corvette-v-8-too-much-engine-for-an-nd-gen-mazda-mx-5-miata
$50k seems hella steep tho
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 08, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
V8 swap needed immediately
http://www.thedrive.com/news/7466/is-a-525-hp-corvette-v-8-too-much-engine-for-an-nd-gen-mazda-mx-5-miata
$50k seems hella steep tho
I mean, they have to convert the steering from electric to hydraulic and that includes a ton of custom parts. Those FM V8 cars really look like factory cars once they're done with it, which is a big reason it costs so damn much.
Also, ~$80k for a 525hp roadster doesn't seem terrible. It just depends on how well the chassis copes with it. It's not something I'd do but it's cool nonetheless.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
I mean, they have to convert the steering from electric to hydraulic and that includes a ton of custom parts. Those FM V8 cars really look like factory cars once they're done with it, which is a big reason it costs so damn much.
Also, ~$80k for a 525hp roadster doesn't seem terrible. It just depends on how well the chassis copes with it. It's not something I'd do but it's cool nonetheless.
I think I'd rather build it myself. Seems like there's stuff they include that I wouldn't necessarily want to change, and I'm sure there's things that I would want to change that aren't included. But it's cool. I'd probably stick to the 430 hp version.
The stock SkyActiv engine is so light and rev happy and so perfectly suited to the car I don't think I'd want to ditch that for a V8.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
The stock SkyActiv engine is so light and rev happy and so perfectly suited to the car I don't think I'd want to ditch that for a V8.
What if it was a 2.6 liter V8 that made 350 HP @ 10,000 RPM?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 08, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
V8 swap needed immediately
http://www.thedrive.com/news/7466/is-a-525-hp-corvette-v-8-too-much-engine-for-an-nd-gen-mazda-mx-5-miata
$50k seems hella steep tho
This thing only traps 123mph in the 1/4 mile. Kinda sad
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 08, 2017, 03:19:07 PM
The stock SkyActiv engine is so light and rev happy and so perfectly suited to the car I don't think I'd want to ditch that for a V8.
Also the FM V8 car only changes weight distribution by +1% to the front
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 08, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
What if it was a 2.6 liter V8 that made 350 HP @ 10,000 RPM?
...1.8L 3 rotor making 350 HP @ 10,000 rpms...
Quote from: r0tor on February 09, 2017, 08:25:11 AM
...1.8L 3 rotor making 350 HP @ 10,000 rpms...
With no torque and a maximum engine life of 40,000 miles!? Sign me up!
Quote from: Raza on February 09, 2017, 09:26:26 AM
With no torque and a maximum engine life of 40,000 miles!? Sign me up!
Probably making well over 200 lb-ft. I'd guess 230-ish No big V8, but comparable to a 2.7-3.0L piston engine.
So what makes 3rd gear produce that sexy high pitched whine? It's like a wee supercharger.
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
So what makes 3rd gear produce that sexy high pitched whine? It's like a wee supercharger.
Versa S makes that whine in every gear. Sorry you're missing out.
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
So what makes 3rd gear produce that sexy high pitched whine? It's like a wee supercharger.
I'd assume it's just the right amount of load. My car sounds different in every gear.
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
So what makes 3rd gear produce that sexy high pitched whine? It's like a wee supercharger.
The gears aren't cut correctly. The sound you hear is shearing metal.
It's a good thing that metal filings are basically a form of dry lubricant, then.
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 11:21:31 AM
It's a good thing that metal filings are basically a form of dry lubricant, then.
Like tiny, jagged, roller bearings.
Quote from: Raza on February 09, 2017, 09:26:26 AM
With no torque and a maximum engine life of 40,000 miles!? Sign me up!
180k on my brotary come at me bro
The brotary had better be drivable by the time I visit the Bay Area... :ohyeah:
You'll pop my rotary cherry. :mask:
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 11:59:22 AM
The brotary had better be drivable by the time I visit the Bay Area... :ohyeah:
You'll pop my rotary cherry. :mask:
Hopefully the floorboards won't have rusted out from all this rain and water leakage. :mask: :cry: :pullover:
I haven't touched the car in a month. Work has been killing me on the weekends. No time for braps.
Does it brap, or does it hummmm?
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 09, 2017, 12:07:14 PM
Hopefully the floorboards won't have rusted out from all this rain and water leakage. :mask: :cry: :pullover:
I haven't touched the car in a month. Work has been killing me on the weekends. No time for braps.
What!? I would be brappin that ass all night, every night.
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dat-ass-meme.jpg)
BRAP ASS
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 12:12:23 PM
Does it brap, or does it hummmm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZ5qwqMrk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZ5qwqMrk4)
There's a weird electric motor whine that sounds almost intake-y, and I think it's the self-leveling lights. That might be the noise you're hearing.
But it also has a pronounced intake and exhaust resonance, at least in comparison to other engines its size and type.
Quote from: Tave on February 09, 2017, 05:29:04 PM
There's a weird electric motor whine that sounds almost intake-y, and I think it's the self-leveling lights. That might be the noise you're hearing.
Nah, it's proportional to engine RPM, but not throttle/load. I think it's the transmission.
Quote from: Laconian on February 09, 2017, 05:34:58 PM
Nah, it's proportional to engine RPM, but not throttle/load. I think it's the transmission.
If you push in the clutch, let the engine drop to idle, and coast, does it still make the noise?
Bwap bwap bwap, took it for a spin around some country roads. FFS, it keeps taking longer and longer to leave the congested areas. Once I hit the rural areas the car performed like a dream, hugging the corners just right, powering up the hills with plenty of steam, and somehow returning a 29.5mpg trip average at the same time. I let my dad drive it and he thought it was so much better than my brother's NA Miata. He complains often about how nervous and loud the NA is on the highway. Wotta wimp.
* The stereo is kind of worthless above 40mph for the level of road noise that enters the cabin.
* Hill holder is annoying because it gets rid of a useful tactile sign for clutch engagement. I liked being able to roll back a little bit.
Quote from: Laconian on February 11, 2017, 05:02:06 PM
* Hill holder is annoying because it gets rid of a useful tactile sign for clutch engagement. I liked being able to roll back a little bit.
Is there any way to turn it off?
I'm sure it's beneficial for n00bs so they don't have to worry about hills and can just focus on the fun driving. But the clutch is super easy to work in the ND, so anyone with a little experience should be able to get moving up a hill with minimal effort. Honestly when I test drove it, I thought they might have a clutch delay valve like newer BMWs. Seemed like I could dump the clutch quickly and it never cared.
I bet pulling the ABS fuse will kill it.
:lol:
Should be able to turn hill holder off. That was one of the first things I did on my Mustang. Super annoying.
I don't mind it in the Z4, actually. I wouldn't suggest it for a novice stick driver, but after a while, it's not so bad.
Ya Sonic's Hill-Holder is pretty nice.
hnng
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/445/31449639174_d6eea5dffe_c.jpg)
That blue is sexy
So is that E38
Quote from: MX793 on February 11, 2017, 08:08:25 PM
Should be able to turn hill holder off. That was one of the first things I did on my Mustang. Super annoying.
I really think that at this point in automobile history, those few diehards who still choose a manual transmission should be left alone to enjoy their anachronisms. Engineers who have the urge to tamper with what is clearly a consumer's choice to forgo automatic drivers' aids by adding what they think will aid the drivers should just sit down and watch a PowerPoint about infotainment systems or something.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 12, 2017, 01:46:09 PM
I really think that at this point in automobile history, those few diehards who still choose a manual transmission should be left alone to enjoy their anachronisms. Engineers who have the urge to tamper with what is clearly a consumer's choice to forgo automatic drivers' aids by adding what they think will aid the drivers should just sit down and watch a PowerPoint about infotainment systems or something.
Totally agreed.
It looks like the only way to kill hill holder is to reflash the ECU. :cry:
Quote from: Laconian on February 12, 2017, 01:50:48 PM
It looks like the only way to kill hill holder is to reflash the ECU. :cry:
wat
That's weird. :confused: :(
lol wat
So, there's an electronically controlled clutch brake?
Unless you're talking sound quality the speakers should provide more than enough volume at any speed. If you're streaming Bluetooth make sure you have the volume on your device set all the way up, or it will kill the output.
The hill assist is indeed annoying. I've been living with the VW's which was a huge PITA; if it makes you feel better the Miata's is relatively well done.
I'm assuming it just brakes the front wheels? Is there a way to hack it and turn it into a linelock for burnouts? :lol:
Unplug the clutch switch?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 12, 2017, 03:04:06 PM
I'm assuming it just brakes the front wheels? Is there a way to hack it and turn it into a linelock for burnouts? :lol:
Pretty sure it engages all brakes.
Quote from: Tave on February 12, 2017, 02:49:52 PM
Unless you're talking sound quality the speakers should provide more than enough volume at any speed. If you're streaming Bluetooth make sure you have the volume on your device set all the way up, or it will kill the output.
The hill assist is indeed annoying. I've been living with the VW's which was a huge PITA; if it makes you feel better the Miata's is relatively well done.
Turning up the volume isn't great for the ears. ;) The G37 had really large headrest speakers. More frequencies carried to the passengers without needing to crank the volume.
Quote from: Laconian on February 13, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
Turning up the volume isn't great for the ears. ;) The G37 had really large headrest speakers. More frequencies carried to the passengers without needing to crank the volume.
Gut the seats and add in some kickers yo
Tactile transducers.
I want more midrange actually
Business trip in the MX5 tomorrow. Suitcase fits in the trunk nicely. Gonna break in the engine on Google's dime. :rockon:
Quote from: Laconian on February 14, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Business trip in the MX5 tomorrow. Suitcase fits in the trunk nicely. Gonna break in the engine on Google's dime. :rockon:
:rockon:
Quote from: Laconian on February 14, 2017, 01:56:28 PM
I want more midrange actually
What size are the drivers in the headrests, or where are the mids coming from? Mess with the EQ at all?
Quote from: Laconian on February 14, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Business trip in the MX5 tomorrow. Suitcase fits in the trunk nicely. Gonna break in the engine on Google's dime. :rockon:
Driving down to Mountain View?
Well, I have established that the car is indeed a cop magnet. Fuck
Quote from: Laconian on February 15, 2017, 01:11:02 PM
Well, I have established that the car is indeed a cop magnet. Fuck
:lol:
At least you're having fun with it!
I was keeping up with traffic in the middle lane tho. I was getting 39mpg. I wasn't pushing it. Boo
Speeding ticket already or cop just splooging over the RF?
Speeding ticket
:rage:
hooligan
Quote from: Laconian on February 15, 2017, 01:23:56 PM
I was keeping up with traffic in the middle lane tho. I was getting 39mpg. I wasn't pushing it. Boo
Were you the last car in the group?
Nope.
Quote from: Laconian on February 15, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
Nope.
Were you the most distinctive car in the group? And was most of the group "work trucks"? Because it's pretty well known that if you're driving a "work truck" spec pickup, particularly a heavy duty (3/4 or 1-ton), you pretty much have a free pass to drive as fast as you want on the highway.
Yes, the competition was semi trucks and minivans.
And you weren't even winning. Sad!
:lol:
I wouldn't have gotten a ticket if I could've used my cruise control. Ugh!
Drove along some nice roads around my alma mater during a break in the action and got some nice shots of the car. Man, Bellingham is purty. These places are about 5-10 minutes of driving from downtown.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/SOtpNCKL071p_EsVla238DiRWTuahPc36HM8xs3Xph1gO6xA6BpVCyyQgF3nBogggUB5JRNvzA2-AYlraLHWPaBFlBvLnlvjZg5vgyJyDBm7Kz8HpLg5VNDjqZ7S6Lyk_yMe1PD7Cp-HEdaMsW7YqrUcLNL71tj5Jg0Z9kr5ygxIDW9h8ah-5ft8XqQ6dVI3vnLimIQFIZrskzCEX6M87-pqT3RsrwVla7f6sCDbofTYAKF8DGfaQo9AMzmxoSIAx8D9AholcRM4XuXD50DNXqVHq9C1SnFxdeuRGkWIxRMjZ4ZyNwDfKUv5066QzhZF-k-YLUFNCFcQyYI8UBQFeHBFXam7rjLGeIaAprRv8hcF6T4zj0hV3L_uT3OWnQwjZqRfuBFiwHxE8UQgpZTcpbetF6Rv_AY1QzbhehvGusG2ps5QDxA0oleZa6m0r6oVpSBe6NTQ5ElFAXkE8_GHCcUlB9D1a1nQDxiZrKifY_B60xlMSPsI6i6tPzIVLQHePCSXRLh1GGkAxooPqECaPKBF4Ol0Z-jGHNubqn8BMTr8VSwDSp2ICEweRBhdf7Mj7oFVGuNwNhMvoOAlFcpGAsdPJ0Ait6gJ-0TI8l67i8pezrXyQ4URnRqXtYfRetmeA-F78cz6LXOmYnEXYWWytclo5omdd3nyRAInZMvV_ig=w1534-h1150-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lM9qy9wJg4nIvUyF6xRrZDB-PTX24_21U1JSMIkNFVOh_-At7YNKRJa17ezsli1DY7K_W8g6SsywON_-xZAAfJgAh7EMKoCdgFEpOoeF5yh17n2UFElwDpj0pBZh0Z8Y_cn84r5FWxdrIw2uIhAEuaOwXN-mTEIxossbFJPYYV-pQ2EQwwli4u1wIij67-dTxDwy9IyjVM1xnVFIBHCBIC-zBQpwP4PfUBwMrHjDT7iqnNZN4FePfOvFnyejWMD_w_NtUm_oakGyNQA2C-srVru34O0AUkzVn6EK-Yv54qSzQIWs-WbWh1v87WJOXSaABdXzRv70CvXJfLsNOuKU91ifdK1ibFnkCk9hZNGSzEcaSaOwHq8rM2nJrzWEOCLnAuwTH3Y6kRSShaB_-dNw78KDWbV4baihtLPnobONSPV2gGjqQYTKtjI6eegHUrENCZWdvNpt2UDOzedpG_QDHq6NIb9JotoTjw4SGw1wi4oParefklkG0zypv74u0n4lxWSDL4hr6c9zRnX-04KX1iiAI9XRNBAHGkS1WOgRMD_-a5u-w91JVaKBR7NaMP6mL011e2jcngJkNYvsK9rb4Rrr3yHfoNaa0g5p49CLRah4m3mViQ=w1534-h1150-no)
Where's this top video... quit enjoying your car and work!! 😂
Great pictures. I might be joining you and Tave in 40,000-60,000 miles
Gorgeous!
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Man, you and Tim are making me miss my car hardcore.
Oh yeah, I got the clear bra stuff on my car. I didn't opt for the complete coverage because the price for that treatment is insane, but I got the important bits wrapped. Can you see it in the photos? I can't, but the seam is about 2' up the hood and down the front fenders.
cant see but stop using google photos they keep randomly disappearing.
Visit this link: https://goo.gl/photos/SipdQPQZ3PYkiBa5A
Can you give us more impressions about the top? I have no idea if I'd like that more than a soft top or not.
I really like it. With the windows up, the amount of cabin turbulence is very reasonable, not too much worse than if you opened the sunroof on a coupe. With the windows down, you have the full feeling of wind in your face of the non-RF ND. The only time the rear sheet metal presents issues is when backing up; there's a decently sized blind spot on the passenger side which is mitigated somewhat by the cross traffic warning beep. When you're facing forward (ie. driving) it feels totally like a convertible. Cow smells and all.
I tell you hwat boy, it's the durn purdiest car ah've ever had...
Quote from: Laconian on February 18, 2017, 02:37:55 PM
Oh yeah, I got the clear bra stuff on my car. I didn't opt for the complete coverage because the price for that treatment is insane, but I got the important bits wrapped. Can you see it in the photos? I can't, but the seam is about 2' up the hood and down the front fenders.
I can't really see the clear bra in the photos which is good. You probably won't have any problems in the PNW but here in Utah I see quite a few really nice cars with clear bras that have been baked by the sun. It is a shame to see a light colored car with a clear bra that has turned yellow or even brown.
Quote from: Laconian on February 21, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
I really like it. With the windows up, the amount of cabin turbulence is very reasonable, not too much worse than if you opened the sunroof on a coupe. With the windows down, you have the full feeling of wind in your face of the non-RF ND. The only time the rear sheet metal presents issues is when backing up; there's a decently sized blind spot on the passenger side which is mitigated somewhat by the cross traffic warning beep. When you're facing forward (ie. driving) it feels totally like a convertible. Cow smells and all.
I'm having a hard time buying it feeling the same as a full convertible with the top down :lol:
Quote from: MrH on February 21, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
I'm having a hard time buying it feeling the same as a full convertible with the top down :lol:
Unless you have weird clustered spider eyes with a 250 degree field of view... you don't see it.
Getting precariously close to 600mi! I redlined it a few times going up some uphill zigzags. Woww it's a zingy car. I love the body roll, there's just a tiny bit as a tactile reminder of your limits.
Aw look. My car made a brum buddy while I was away. This one's a slutty NC, with some pin stripey tramp stamps on the rear.
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Does that picture work?
LOL Yes. Nice!!
Always cool to see different generations next to each other.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 22, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
Always cool to see different generations next to each other.
This is a stark reminder of how awkward and ugly the NC was relative to the others.
Damn, the PRHT looks so stupid on the NC.
Quote from: MX793 on February 23, 2017, 05:01:13 AM
This is a stark reminder of how awkward and ugly the NC was relative to the others.
Yeah, the NC was a car which required some forced enthusiasm to like. It was a hell of a lot better than the Skystice, more practical than the Mister Two, and cheaper than the S2000. But my heart was never into them like it was with the NA and the NB. I liked the NB more than the NA at the time, but now popup lights feel cool again in a retro sort of way.
NC was kind of a strange bird, but I liked it better than the NB. NB is the worst of all the Miatas IMO.
Why? It was a polishing of the NA, certainly not a regression?
NB is my favorite out of the first 3.
Quote from: Laconian on February 21, 2017, 06:05:11 PM
Getting precariously close to 600mi! I redlined it a few times going up some uphill zigzags. Woww it's a zingy car. I love the body roll, there's just a tiny bit as a tactile reminder of your limits.
The ride quality is impressive for such a small, light car with a squared-off wheelbase. The suspension travel prolly has a lot to do with it.
I also like the way it diales-in power during cornering. MrH mentioned excessive inside wheelspin on his NC w/o the diff and I'm just not seeing it on the newer model. You can produce it for a millisecond if you crank the steering and gun it from a stop in first, and you can kick the back completely loose in second on the right corners, but other than that the rear end is remarkably well sorted. Looking back over the reviews I think the "jumpiness" must be a Club-specific issue.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 23, 2017, 04:03:59 PM
NB is my favorite out of the first 3.
Me too, but that's mostly because it was always my first Gran Turismo car.
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Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2017, 03:54:55 PM
Yeah, the NC was a car which required some forced enthusiasm to like. It was a hell of a lot better than the Skystice, more practical than the Mister Two, and cheaper than the S2000. But my heart was never into them like it was with the NA and the NB. I liked the NB more than the NA at the time, but now popup lights feel cool again in a retro sort of way.
It was a great car to drive, and it had all of the perks that the Miata has always had over the competition (fairly usable trunk space, easy to operate top, affordable price etc), but I never warmed to the styling, or the off-roader ride height, or the big gain in size and weight. NB was also my favorite (well, prior to the ND). Take all of the goodness of the later NA combined with shapelier, less jellybean-like styling. Aesthetically, the NA to NB is like comparing a non-widebody 996 911 to a 997. Worst I can say about the NB is that the interior was a little tighter than the NA, so it's less welcoming to taller drivers, but I'm average height so not a problem for me.
My friends NBs were heavier stock than my NC. The weight gain wasn't that much. It's just that the PRHT one is stupid heavy when loaded up (~2600 lb).
I still like my NC. A lot of my NA/NB friends are warming up to it as well. I like my bastard MX-5. :lol:
Oh I like the NC more than most cars. None of the generations are bad.
I also don't really fit in an NA/NB comfortably.
ND fits me like a glove.
All Miatas fit me like a condom.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2017, 05:41:48 PM
All Miatas fit me like a condom.
So you wear "compact" condoms? :devil:
Nonsense. Didn't you learn the Inverse Penile Length Ratio?
Lp = c/(Lt * H^3)
--
Lp = length of dong
H = ride height delta vs. stock
Lt = wheelbase length
c = the Brodozer constant
The ratio clearly states that Miata drivers are hung like horses.
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2017, 05:58:45 PM
Nonsense. Didn't you learn the Inverse Penile Length Ratio?
Lp = c/(Lt * H^3)
--
Lp = length of dong
H = ride height delta vs. stock
Lt = wheelbase length
c = the Brodozer constant
The ratio clearly states that Miata drivers are hung like horses.
Fair enough. I usually only apply the IPLR to trucks.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
Fair enough. I usually only apply the IPLR to trucks.
Like Tacomas?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2017, 06:19:10 PM
Like Tacomas?
Yeah. And since my truck is now stock, I must have a large penis. :devil:
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2017, 06:20:18 PM
Yeah. And since my truck is now stock, I must have a large penis. :devil:
It wasn't stock before, so you had an enlargement.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2017, 06:20:18 PM
Yeah. And since my truck is now stock, I must have a large penis. :devil:
Your penis size divided by zero and therefore turned into a vagina. Sorry!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2017, 06:23:54 PM
It wasn't stock before, so you had an enlargement.
The guy who had it before me enlarged it, dammit!
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2017, 06:26:59 PM
The guy who had it before me enlarged it, dammit!
He showed you this?
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2017, 06:25:24 PM
Your penis size divided by zero and therefore turned into a vagina. Sorry!
I am afraid my truck also gives me a vagina. :(
My car is currently slammed as low as it will go up front. I might have 1.5" clearance at the headers.
Sorry fellas.
Quote from: MrH on February 23, 2017, 03:59:38 PM
NC was kind of a strange bird, but I liked it better than the NB. NB is the worst of all the Miatas IMO.
Once they put the smiley face on, it made it really good looking.
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2017, 05:58:45 PM
Nonsense. Didn't you learn the Inverse Penile Length Ratio?
Lp = c/(Lt * H^3)
--
Lp = length of dong
H = ride height delta vs. stock
Lt = wheelbase length
c = the Brodozer constant
The ratio clearly states that Miata drivers are hung like horses.
Uh...ride height delta? So if you have a stock Miata, your penis is divided by 0 and therefore undefined?
If you drive a stock NA:
Lp = c/(155.4*0^3)
Lp = c/(155.4*0)
Lp = c/0
Lp = Undefined
I actually think the NC looks good, but yeah was not a fan of the retractable hard top version.
I think I'd still prefer a normal Miata to the RF version, but the RF seems much better executed than the NC hard top. Its certainly a lot nicer to look at.
I think I like the looks of the soft top better, but would probably prefer to live with the RF. The biggest difference is price. There's a couple of RFs around here, but they'll go for $32k or so. I could probably get a '16 soft top club model for <$25k now. Big difference.
OK, thinking of getting this plate: (http://www.dol.wa.gov/images/NationalParksPlate.jpg)
with "MIATA" or "NDFTW".
[NP] "HARD" was briefly considered but dismissed due to possible allegations of sexual innuendo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-hardness
The stealership forgot to send me the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin, gotta wait 'til that arrives before I can get a title. :cry:
I'm surprised this isn't for sale yet after driving my RX7. :muffin: :rastaman: :partyon:
Quote from: Laconian on March 07, 2017, 07:04:29 PM
OK, thinking of getting this plate: (http://www.dol.wa.gov/images/NationalParksPlate.jpg)
with "MIATA" or "NDFTW".
[NP] "HARD" was briefly considered but dismissed due to possible allegations of sexual innuendo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-hardness
The stealership forgot to send me the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin, gotta wait 'til that arrives before I can get a title. :cry:
what's the NP for??
Let's hear more about what you think. Is your life appreciably better? Is break in done? How terrible is the infotainment :lol: More top impressions!
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on March 08, 2017, 05:39:51 AM
what's the NP for??
If only he had provided a link that made the answer to your question a simple click away! ;)
"non-deterministic polynomial-time" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP_(complexity)
Quote from: MrH on March 08, 2017, 06:56:22 AM
Let's hear more about what you think. Is your life appreciably better? Is break in done? How terrible is the infotainment :lol: More top impressions!
Is life better? It is when I find occasion to drive the thing the way I want to! Yesterday the roads were clogged all fucking day long so I was just in 1st and 2nd gear the whole time. Life gets a lot better when I'm no longer behind a Leaf going 2 under the limit. The car doesn't feel super fast when you race through the gears to 60, but the eagerness in the lower gears is really endearing. Combined with the responsiveness of the chassis and the steering, it's just sublime. 3rd gear on a windy road makes me feel like a Viper pilot. :lol: I imagine things will be better still when I can pop the top reliably.
Infotainment is good. Very little latency, the redundant control knob is handily designed and well placed, screen is very readable, though it displays finger smudges too easily IMO.
I am very happy with the car. It's everything I would want a Miata to be in terms of looks and handling. I don't even give a shit about power anymore - it's enough. I had my 300hp phase, that was cool, but it's still fun and generally less law-infringing to wring the neck of a 155hp motor. That said... where the fuck are the power mods? It's like SkyActiv is some form of alien tech.
Quote from: Laconian on March 08, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
That said... where the fuck are the power mods? It's like SkyActiv is some form of alien tech.
Rags will fill you in here
What, will he give me his spinny triangle motor?
Quote from: Laconian on March 08, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
What, will he give me his spinny triangle motor?
He knows who and what works on tuning Skyactive because he jealous of the #gains
Well, I got the purty national parks plate and just punted on the vanity ID. I'd have to drive into downtown Seattle for it, and nobody got time fo dat
Aren't the SkyActiv-G engines already perilously close to the limits of compression before they ping? All the ECU flash reviews I read involve the author constantly tweaking the settings for environmental conditions to avoid predetonation.
Also, I want to 3D print myself a license plate holder. Gotta decide on a theme to 3D model.
CRAZY VACLAV'S MOTORS
"PUT IT IN 'H'!"
Do you get 93 where you are? What fuel does Mazda recommend?
87/89/91. Mazda recommends 91.
Shell isn't 87/89/93? That's what I see in most parts of the country nowadays. (High altitudes are 85/87/91)
Most of our local premium is 91. Only a couple spots have 93.
For being the worst state in existence we seems to have 93 readily available. At least in the western portion
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 08, 2017, 01:58:06 PM
Shell isn't 87/89/93? That's what I see in most parts of the country nowadays. (High altitudes are 85/87/91)
I don't think I ever saw anything other than 87/89/93 in the Southeast, at least from a major gas brand. I never noticed a difference until I moved to CO, so I just assumed it was related to altitude.
Hotter ambient air temps cause knock more readily, no?
Quote from: Laconian on March 08, 2017, 10:29:18 PM
Hotter ambient air temps cause knock more readily, no?
This can have an effect, which can be increased by a leaner AF mixture that I'm sure most new cars, like SkyActive equipped ones are running these days. Add this to the already super high CR and your best gas being 91 I can understand being nervous about doing any sort of tuning on your car.
For power mods, it sounds like most of the gains people are seeing are from long headers and a tune. Yeah, I wouldn't be so hot on the idea of just flashing a new tune. Quiet a few issues people are having on the Miata forums. Luckily you've got the updated transmission, so you don't have to power about that.
Honestly, if you're looking for more power, I would just wait on the Edelbrock supercharger. A low boost, high efficiency super charger will probably give the best results with the least head ache. Higher up front cost, but worth it IMO.
Quote from: 68_427 on March 08, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
This can have an effect, which can be increased by a leaner AF mixture that I'm sure most new cars, like SkyActive equipped ones are running these days. Add this to the already super high CR and your best gas being 91 I can understand being nervous about doing any sort of tuning on your car.
Lean AF? Lean As Fuck? Is that how you kids describe yourselves after you get "crunked" on "sizzurup"?
Quote from: Laconian on March 09, 2017, 10:28:50 AM
Lean AF? Lean As Fuck? Is that how you kids describe yourselves after you get "crunked" on "sizzurup"?
Cale is hip but not that hip.
AF = air fuel ratio.
Intake/header/exhaust and tune gives you like 185 whp supposedly. I haven't looked into seeing how far they've pushed that number and that was a while ago, but there are some mad gains to be made with that motor I think. If the ND header is anything like the NC's, it's probably choking the motor half to death.
I may be crazy but I think Laconian was making a joke about the AF reference. :lol:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 09, 2017, 10:52:09 AM
Cale is hip but not that hip.
AF = air fuel ratio.
Intake/header/exhaust and tune gives you like 185 whp supposedly. I haven't looked into seeing how far they've pushed that number and that was a while ago, but there are some mad gains to be made with that motor I think. If the ND header is anything like the NC's, it's probably choking the motor half to death.
That was like one car with tons of time tuning it on a dyno over and over. It doesn't seem like people are able to consistently get that number.
I think the NC motor actually had quite a bit more room for improvements than this SkyActive design.
Yes I was. :lol:
Speaking of abbreviations, whenever I see RF, my brain thinks of radios.
Quote from: MrH on March 09, 2017, 11:07:31 AM
That was like one car with tons of time tuning it on a dyno over and over. It doesn't seem like people are able to consistently get that number.
I think the NC motor actually had quite a bit more room for improvements than this SkyActive design.
My bar for credibility is Flyin' Miata. If they claim they can do something, it can be done reliably. Right now their m0d page for the ND is this: :huh:
Quote from: Laconian on March 09, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
My bar for credibility is Flyin' Miata. If they claim they can do something, it can be done reliably. Right now their m0d page for the ND is this: :huh:
Yeah, Kevin from FM is posting on the miata forum. Sounds like they're working with Edelbrock to offer it on FM.
This is what he said the other day in the Edelbrock thread: "I will point out that we have three NDs for a reason, though. Development is proceeding across several fronts. And that's all you're going to get until I have some significant information to provide." So they've got a few things they're working on, but, you know, SKYACTIVE.
If SA-G is a tough nut to crack, then secrecy is totally expected. They want a good ROI on their investment.
Quote from: MrH on March 09, 2017, 11:07:31 AM
That was like one car with tons of time tuning it on a dyno over and over. It doesn't seem like people are able to consistently get that number.
I think the NC motor actually had quite a bit more room for improvements than this SkyActive design.
My motor with an intake/exhaust and tune = 144 whp.
:cry: :lol:
So the latest repeatable result it looks like people are getting with the ND: headers + tune goes from a stock 161 whp to 171 whp.
Yeah. Either the stock engine is way underrated (which might be true), or they picked a funk that shows everything high :lol: either way, 10 whp isn't that big of a deal. Might as well save up for a supercharger
Maybe the 161whp is the bolt -ons without a tune? Or at least an OTS tune.
That's just stock supposedly. These chassis dyno numbers are crap.
https://goo.gl/photos/pmSz5wvHpi1hhFaD8
Can you tell at what point the roof bonked me in the head?
Quote from: Laconian on March 13, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
https://goo.gl/photos/pmSz5wvHpi1hhFaD8
Can you tell at what point the roof bonked me in the head?
At around 12 seconds?
Quote from: Laconian on March 13, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
https://goo.gl/photos/pmSz5wvHpi1hhFaD8
Can you tell at what point the roof bonked me in the head?
LOL uhoh
Good job of getting the camera in the right spot at the end as the start- you could almost endlessly loop it....
Kevin, how tall are you?
Sounds like the RF trims precious head room from an already tight soft top.
Quote from: MrH on March 14, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Kevin, how tall are you?
Sounds like the RF trims precious head room from an already tight soft top.
I fit in it just fine.
Quote from: MrH on March 14, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Kevin, how tall are you?
Sounds like the RF trims precious head room from an already tight soft top.
5'11". I was tilted off to one side because I was filming the video.
Tall coworker tried the RF himself, said it was more cramped than the soft top.
Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
5'11". I was tilted off to one side because I was filming the video.
Tall coworker tried the RF himself, said it was more cramped than the soft top.
Top should be down all the time anyway.
Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
5'11". I was tilted off to one side because I was filming the video.
Tall coworker tried the RF himself, said it was more cramped than the soft top.
How tall was your coworker?
Quote from: MrH on March 14, 2017, 02:57:46 PM
How tall was your coworker?
Solid mount the seat or slide yo head down a bit just buy one
Kinda tall and lanky. 6'3"?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 14, 2017, 02:56:23 PM
Top should be down all the time anyway.
Pools of water in the cabin will adversely impact the center of gravity.
I'm 6'3"-6'4" with a long torso and at the extreme upper limit for the soft top. My head brushes the fabric on the worst bumps, not enough to damage the top but enough to let me know I have no extra room. If it was a half inch lower and solid metal I'd be cracking open my skull on every drive.
Quote from: Tave on March 15, 2017, 01:55:35 PM
I'm 6'3"-6'4" with a long torso and at the extreme upper limit for the soft top. My head brushes the fabric on the worst bumps, not enough to damage the top but enough to let me know I have no extra room. If it was a half inch lower and solid metal I'd be cracking open my skull on every drive.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/kir-47900/overview/
Those look comfortable <_<
And great for simulators!!
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Just remove the seat rails like Raggo
The ND has a uniplane rail (no height adjustment) that is canted upwards to provide shorter drivers a higher seating position and reduce weight. And the seats themselves are thinner than virtually everything OEM save some of the super exotic carbon pieces. I think any delete-modification will result in little to no improvement for taller drivers--the seat height at the back of the rail can't be any higher than a permanent mount. Maybe if you replaced the stock seats too with something stupid light and unusable like that aluminum racing tub a few posts up.
Yeah, I fit in the soft top I sat in awhile back alright. Slightly better than the S2000 and NC. It was smaller in the areas I don't care about, but roomy where need be.
Tave, you've got like an inch or two on me, but I think I'd probably be in the same position with the RF. I was bumping the soft top on the NC too. S2000 is fine for headroom.
RF got a thumbs up from a bro in a stanced NA.
Quote from: Laconian on March 16, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
RF got a thumbs up from a bro in a stanced NA.
Not that this is the same thing, but that reminded me...
The weirdest "thumbs up" I have gotten since I bought the Golf was from a redneck looking guy rolling coal in big ole lifted F350 type truck (can't remember exactly what model it was).
At first I thought he liked my car because it was a Golf R but after thinking about it some more I think he thought I was driving a Golf TDI.
I posted this in my thread too--definitely go with the shorter service interval, I think that 0W-20 wears out pretty fast, synthetic or not.
Quelle chance! My (state-issued, random) plate is a numeric palindrome.
Quote from: Laconian on March 25, 2017, 07:31:16 PM
Quelle chance! My (state-issued, random) plate is a numeric palindrome.
:rockon:
Decent weather staycation; gonna wash mah cars today.
It looks so happy from the front. WHO'S A GOOD BOY? WHO'S A GOOD BOY? YOU! YOU'RE A GOOD BOY!!
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:wub:
You rike praying witt my stick
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Note the conspicuously absent front license plate.
<-- rebel
Quote from: Laconian on March 31, 2017, 12:21:12 AM
Note the conspicuously absent front license plate.
<-- rebel
Fight the powers that be!
Now that I'm riding dirty w/o front plates, I'm noticing a lot of other cars without front plates too.
Well over 1/3 of Ohio cars don't have front plates. And all 5 surrounding states don't require it. So usually probably 40%+ of the cars of the road don't have front plates. It's a pointless law here.
Btw, test driving an ND on Sunday.
Quote from: MrH on March 31, 2017, 02:27:51 PM
Well over 1/3 of Ohio cars don't have front plates. And all 5 surrounding states don't require it. So usually probably 40%+ of the cars of the road don't have front plates. It's a pointless law here.
Btw, test driving an ND on Sunday.
I've gotten three tickets for not having a front plate.
SC doesn't require front plates biiiitchesssss. Gonna get my front end repainted. And show it off unobstructed and unticketed to the world
(http://risovach.ru/upload/2013/02/mem/fuck-yea_11206299_orig_.png)
Quote from: MrH on March 31, 2017, 02:27:51 PM
Well over 1/3 of Ohio cars don't have front plates. And all 5 surrounding states don't require it. So usually probably 40%+ of the cars of the road don't have front plates. It's a pointless law here.
Btw, test driving an ND on Sunday.
Having surrounding states with a single plate is key to not getting a ticket IMO. Gives the cops a plausible explanation when they see you're lacking one.
Kevin is unlucky since he lives in the middle of the state where it's not quite as common to see KY & IN cars.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 31, 2017, 02:39:44 PM
Having surrounding states with a single plate is key to not getting a ticket IMO. Gives the cops a plausible explanation when they see you're lacking one.
Kevin is unlucky since he lives in the middle of the state where it's not quite as common to see KY & IN cars.
I got one on the Mazda, and I had only owned it for a week.
You also should live in an area near a college. When I lived in the city for three years I got no tickets. Two months back home in the suburbs I had 2 and ended up putting one on.
Plus Ohio Kevin is probably profiled.... :shakesfist:
Quote from: 68_427 on March 31, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
You also should live in an area near a college. When I lived in the city for three years I got no tickets. Two months back home in the suburbs I had 2 and ended up putting one on.
I live 1/2 mile from OSU.
The GS doesn't have a place for a front plate. Hopefully the police will understand me not wanting to drill holes in the front of my car......
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on March 31, 2017, 07:29:23 PM
The GS doesn't have a place for a front plate. Hopefully the police will understand me not wanting to drill holes in the front of my car......
I don't think I ever see Corvettes pulled over. They know it's an old fart driving so they don't bother.
FOGs can afford to lawyer up.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 31, 2017, 08:02:38 PM
I don't think I ever see Corvettes pulled over. They know it's an old fart driving so they don't bother.
Quote from: Laconian on March 31, 2017, 08:05:21 PM
FOGs can afford to lawyer up.
:shakesfist: :partyon:
Where's that Android Auto integration that Jacob promised? I'm pretty lukewarm about Mazda's nav. It's really hard to find places by their names. Google does it so well.
Did Teuton BTAC us again?
Quote from: Laconian on May 12, 2017, 06:52:30 PM
Where's that Android Auto integration that Jacob promised? I'm pretty lukewarm about Mazda's nav. It's really hard to find places by their names. Google does it so well.
Did Teuton BTAC us again?
It's coming soon.
Quote from: Laconian on May 12, 2017, 06:52:30 PM
Where's that Android Auto integration that Jacob promised? I'm pretty lukewarm about Mazda's nav. It's really hard to find places by their names. Google does it so well.
Did Teuton BTAC us again?
Voice command:
"Navigate to address"
and,
You MUST give the street number in single integers.
I.e., it's "One five zero first st," not "one fifty" and not "one hundred fifty."
If you remember to do that everytime, it does pretty well.
I could mumble an address like Boomhauer and Google would still get me.
Quote from: Laconian on May 13, 2017, 11:45:36 AM
I could mumble an address like Boomhauer and Google would still get me.
Oh yeah it sucks hard, I just want you to not have to go through the same 200 miles yelling "IT'S HAY FUCKING STREET MOTHERFUCKER!" like I did.
Quote from: Laconian on May 13, 2017, 11:45:36 AM
I could mumble an address like Boomhauer and Google would still get me.
Or just type the B and Google will guess what you mean.
No I meant like the character on King of the Hill. Cantunderstandnuthinitellyawhut
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Such MPGs :wub: That's 46mpg *average* going north on the I-5 corridor.
Bruh, you've had this car for 10 months and you've only put 2.5k miles on it?! :nono:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 05, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
Bruh, you've had this car for 10 months and you've only put 2.5k miles on it?! :nono:
Yup lol
Maybe you should stop posting DANGEROPS PRANGENT SEX videos and start driving your car more. :lol:
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 05, 2017, 04:17:22 PM
Maybe you should stop posting DANGEROPS PRANGENT SEX videos and start driving your car more. :lol:
Definitely not worth the tradeoff.
Saw my first RF a few days ago, same colour as yours.
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Quote from: Rockraven on October 05, 2017, 05:02:49 PM
Saw my first RF a few days ago, same colour as yours.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/0b726a36f4d3d0bc3cca1853a66a91ff/tenor.gif)
:muffin:
I'm still smitten with the looks of mine.
Power-wise, it feels like it needs more when you're just putting around town, but when you're taking on the twisty roads and realizing just how much inertia it can safely carry around corners.. it's great!
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6Od-tgdH--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/d3jh8tygnyxxeczolh07.gif)
Quote from: Rockraven on October 10, 2017, 08:38:10 AM
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:lol:
Saw a red ND ragtop and red 911 parked close to each other at the supermarket on-base Saturday. Sure the Porsche would be sweet but there's rarely a chance to tap the power, and the ND will be much more driveable long-term.
AND the darker red of the ND was sexier than the pale-ish red on Yurrup car...
I would take a 911 Targa over the RF. I love how massive that rear windshield is.
Shocking you would take a $115k car over a $35k car. :lol:
How's your transmission doing? Have you been reading about the exploding transmissions yet? Sounds like it's mostly 2016 model year, but there's a TSB for it. News broke that Kobe in Japan had been lying about material certifications for a long time. People are wondering if the two are connected. Would be interesting if that was really the root cause. The damage is really weird. Teeth are just sheering off. Almost looks like they're not getting proper engagement, causing additional stress on the teeth.
Yikes!
I have like 15 miles on my odo; no chance for damage to settle in. Still shifts smoothly.
I forgot, you have the RF, so you're supposed to be outside the affected build dates. There are still some failures with build dates in your range but it's much more rare.
Lol, the Spider is more reliable?
Quote from: Rockraven on October 16, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
Lol, the Spider is more reliable?
Transmission is, at least.
Quote from: MX793 on October 16, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Transmission is, at least.
The Spider uses the NC's unit right? I wonder why the split.
Quote from: MrH on October 16, 2017, 02:07:47 PM
Shocking you would take a $115k car over a $35k car. :lol:
How's your transmission doing? Have you been reading about the exploding transmissions yet? Sounds like it's mostly 2016 model year, but there's a TSB for it. News broke that Kobe in Japan had been lying about material certifications for a long time. People are wondering if the two are connected. Would be interesting if that was really the root cause. The damage is really weird. Teeth are just sheering off. Almost looks like they're not getting proper engagement, causing additional stress on the teeth.
Mazda doesn't show up very high on the list of Kobe customers. Not that that's definitive.
Quote from: Xer0 on October 16, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
The Spider uses the NC's unit right? I wonder why the split.
The ND transmission is smaller and lighter, the NC transmission can evidently more easily handle the higher torque and hp of the Fiat.
I'm at 17K, keeping my fingers crossed but it seemed like most of the defective ones were asploding w/i the first 5k or so. Also I'm wondering how much can be attributed to operator error—either in pushing aftermarket power, or kicking it out of gear on accident. It's an incredibly taut and light box, would be very easy to dislodge the stick if you have the bad habit of resting your hand on it.
I'm guessing in the chase for more efficiency they went with smaller, lower friction gears and shit. New Civic Type Rs have been having gearbox problems.
The gears feel small as well but the linkage itself floats and vibrates like a twanging guitar string at all times, no matter the road conditions. It absolutely does not tolerate the weight and resistance of your hand; you can easily knock it out on bumps.
Quote from: Tave on October 22, 2017, 01:13:25 PM
The gears feel small as well but the linkage itself floats and vibrates like a twanging guitar string at all times, no matter the road conditions. It absolutely does not tolerate the weight and resistance of your hand; you can easily knock it out on bumps.
Hmm, I don't get that impression with my MT. It takes some degree of force to bring it out of gear.
I don't rest my hand on the stick shift though, out of fear that it'll wear out the synchros.
Quote from: Laconian on October 22, 2017, 01:20:08 PM
Hmm, I don't get that impression with my MT. It takes some degree of force to bring it out of gear.
I don't rest my hand on the stick shift though, out of fear that it'll wear out the synchros.
The action is firm and deliberate; however, glance at the physical box for a second at speed. The entire linkage floats and bounces like a toddler on 5 boxes of Cocoa Puffs. Watch how much movement there is over uneven roads or bumps.
All Miatas are like that, though. I think it's because it isn't connected with a cable.
The original SHO (1989) had a cable linkage and the rod linkage they introduced in 1991 was a super-hot item. Apparently made shifting much more solid. Mine was rod and I sold it for $100 + shipping after mine had to be scrapped.
:frown: The Honda Goldwing is getting Carplay before the Miata. This is sad.
Big Things Are Coming™ has failed us.
Quote from: MrH on October 25, 2017, 06:55:16 AM
:frown: The Honda Goldwing is getting Carplay before the Miata. This is sad.
Big Things Are Coming™ has failed us.
Honda Goldwing is best Miata.
Quote from: MrH on October 25, 2017, 06:55:16 AM
:frown: The Honda Goldwing is getting Carplay before the Miata. This is sad.
Big Things Are Coming™ has failed us.
Old habits die hard. Working in PR is the ultimate Big Things Are Coming™ career.
He said it was happening soon and all the old dudes on the Miata forum thought it was around the corner. That was in March...
The RF is still a rare bird here. The attendant at the parking garage was like "WTF is that? Whoa, that's a Mazda?" Then I tell him it's a Miata and he couldn't believe it. "It looks so hot, like a BMW or a Boxster!!"
Maybe, but only 155hp :lol:
I think I've yet to see an RF in real life. :rockon:
I've seen one here. Three or four around the Bay Area. One in Belgium.
I almost test drove one but it was an automatic, so I drove a stickshift soft top instead.
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 26, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
I think I've yet to see an RF in real life. :rockon:
I've seen a few. It looks like a Miata that they didn't finish making into a convertible.
Still, it's a step up from the PRHT.
There are a few of them roaming around here. They're gorgeous. ND may be my favorite new car.
Quote from: Raza on October 27, 2017, 05:57:06 AM
I've seen a few. It looks like a Miata that they didn't finish making into a convertible.
Still, it's a step up from the PRHT.
It's what the Pontiac Solstice wanted to be.
I saw an RF with the top up on the interstate a while back. Pretty handsome, I'd love to see top hidden....
LOVE the ND. It's my most-realistic-might-have-dream car right now.
The power mods are terrible though. The Edelbrock supercharger just came out and it only boosts WHP to 200. For $4300. Ferrrrrrrrrrt that's abysmal.
Speaking of ferrrrrt, Flyin' Miata sells an active exhaust for $400 that makes no extra power but sounds awesome. <_<
Quote from: Laconian on October 27, 2017, 11:19:33 AM
The power mods are terrible though. The Edelbrock supercharger just came out and it only boosts WHP to 200. For $4300. Ferrrrrrrrrrt that's abysmal.
Speaking of ferrrrrt, Flyin' Miata sells an active exhaust for $400 that makes no extra power but sounds awesome. <_<
That's almost 100 hp gain at the crank. 66% improvement sunds about right.
Quote from: Laconian on October 27, 2017, 11:19:33 AM
The power mods are terrible though. The Edelbrock supercharger just came out and it only boosts WHP to 200. For $4300. Ferrrrrrrrrrt that's abysmal.
Speaking of ferrrrrt, Flyin' Miata sells an active exhaust for $400 that makes no extra power but sounds awesome. <_<
200 hp to the wheels seems pretty solid IMHO. If its a reputable supplier with a warranty even better.
Well, the MX5 qualifies as an EPA "Greenway" car, which means I can park in the Low Emissions Vehicle spots at work.
I'm kind of afraid to do it because it'll probably provoke some whining from opinionated Googlers who don't know about cars. Mehhh, what's this sports car doing in the hybrid parking spots?
Quote from: Laconian on November 07, 2017, 12:02:00 PM
Well, the MX5 qualifies as an EPA "Greenway" car, which means I can park in the Low Emissions Vehicle spots at work.
I'm kind of afraid to do it because it'll probably provoke some whining from opinionated Googlers who don't know about cars. Mehhh, what's this sports car doing in the hybrid parking spots?
Tell them you aren't polluting the environment with giant discarded batteries... Circulate an informational flyer near the foosball table(s)..
Meh, I'll just point to the entry in the database and preach the gospel of the glorious 31MPG backroads romping / 38MPG road tripping MX5.
Quote from: Laconian on November 07, 2017, 12:56:44 PM
Meh, I'll just point to the entry in the database and preach the gospel of the glorious 31MPG backroads romping / 38MPG road tripping MX5.
:lol:
I used to mash on the gas constantly and never dipped under 28MPG city in my NA.
Quote from: Laconian on November 07, 2017, 12:02:00 PM
Well, the MX5 qualifies as an EPA "Greenway" car, which means I can park in the Low Emissions Vehicle spots at work.
I'm kind of afraid to do it because it'll probably provoke some whining from opinionated Googlers who don't know about cars. Mehhh, what's this sports car doing in the hybrid parking spots?
Just put a pic of an open lithium mine on the back window.