Ok, so the Avalon is gone. My sister now needs a new car. Budget is ~$20K, and would prefer a used entry-level sports sedan (I guess?)
So far, we have considered the following:
-'05 Acura TSX (most likely)
-G35x (not likely at all)
-B6 A4 1.8T quattro
Please suggest more, and list the prices.
Lexus IS300?
Quote from: thecarnut on March 09, 2008, 03:09:56 PM
Lexus IS300?
Oh yeah, we're considering that too. But they aren't easy to find.
That, and she's hung up over RWD and snow. It's a load of BS, and don't even begin to tell me about it. I've tried convincing her, and no can do. Same thing with MT.
http://longisland.craigslist.org/car/597015491.html
http://longisland.craigslist.org/car/559879828.html
Saab 9-3 or 9-5?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 03:22:47 PM
Saab 9-3 or 9-5?
I'd take a TSX over one. That, and they would probably be a PITA to fix if something goes wrong.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 03:26:53 PM
I'd take a TSX over one. That, and they would probably be a PITA to fix if something goes wrong.
But they're just chevy malibus with better interiors and suspentions. The 4cyls are just turboed versions of the classic GM ECOTECs used in all GM products.
Volvo S40?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 03:29:09 PM
But they're just chevy malibus with better interiors and suspentions. The 4cyls are just turboed versions of the classic GM ECOTECs used in all GM products.
Volvo S40?
Oooh, I overlooked that one. Nice suggestion, thanks.
VW Jetta?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 03:29:09 PM
But they're just chevy malibus with better interiors and suspentions. The 4cyls are just turboed versions of the classic GM ECOTECs used in all GM products.
Volvo S40?
Using that same logic, the S40 is just a Mazda3 with a different interior (I wouldn't even say better), a worse suspension, and an extra cylinder.
Quote from: TBR on March 09, 2008, 03:38:54 PM
Using that same logic, the S40 is just a Mazda3 with a different interior (I wouldn't even say better), a worse suspension, and an extra cylinder.
The S40 is a bit more luxuriant.
But would an Upper Level Mazda 3 work?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 03:34:53 PM
VW Jetta?
Thought about it.
TSX>Jetta.
But I don't think I would say the same for the GLI.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 03:40:16 PM
The S40 is a bit more luxuriant.
But would an Upper Level Mazda 3 work?
Have you been in one? (the S40) I don't know about NVH, but I do know that the S40's interior feels and looks cheap in person.
And, the 9-3 is a ton sportier, and more luxurious, than the Malibu was.
Quote from: TBR on March 09, 2008, 03:38:54 PM
Using that same logic, the S40 is just a Mazda3 with a different interior (I wouldn't even say better), a worse suspension, and an extra cylinder.
Are you trying to tell me that the Mazda3 only has zero cylinders? :nutty:
(http://morningglory2.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/s40k6_red_680a14.jpg)
The TSX is probably a good choice for what she seems to be looking for. Much more so than an IS300.
Quote from: ifcar on March 09, 2008, 04:08:01 PM
The TSX is probably a good choice for what she seems to be looking for. Much more so than an IS300.
I'm also assuming that it will be quite reliable, right?
Quote from: NACar on March 09, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
You have horrible taste in cars
Fat chick.
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Besides the TSX and the S40, there really isn't much to choose from.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 04:11:37 PM
Fat chick.
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Besides the TSX and the S40, there really isn't much to choose from.
There probably are choices, I just can't think of them.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 04:11:37 PM
Fat chick.
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Besides the TSX and the S40, there really isn't much to choose from.
Is English your first language?
Mercury Milan?
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 04:14:21 PM
GTFO.
Someone said the Fusion/Milan can be fun to drive, and the Milan is supposed to be the upper level of the Fusion......
Mini?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 09, 2008, 04:16:37 PM
Someone said the Fusion/Milan can be fun to drive, and the Milan is supposed to be the upper level of the Fusion......
WHO is this someone?
My suggestions;
-TSX
-G35x
-A4 1.8TQ
What about a C-Class 4Matic?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 09, 2008, 04:31:00 PM
WHO is this someone?
My suggestions;
-TSX
-G35x
-A4 1.8TQ
What about a C-Class 4Matic?
Those are your suggestions? Damn, why didn't I think of them?
And hell no to the C-Class.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 09, 2008, 04:31:00 PM
WHO is this someone?
Actually, he's probably right. They are based off the Mazda6.
Did I miss something where everyone decided against 325xi?
$16,980 Buy It Now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-BMW-3-SERIES-325xi-AWD-Sunroof-WE-FINANCE_W0QQitemZ180222035541QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180222035541
$16,850 Buy It Now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-BMW-330xi-AWD-Excellent-Condition-Fast_W0QQitemZ130204107806QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130204107806
$18,499 Buy It Now, only 30k miles:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-BMW-325XI-AWD-PREMIUM-HARMAN-K-30K-AMAZING_W0QQitemZ320224759736QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320224759736
Quote from: BimmerM3 on March 09, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Did I miss something where everyone decided against 325xi?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-BMW-3-SERIES-325xi-AWD-Sunroof-WE-FINANCE_W0QQitemZ180222035541QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180222035541
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-BMW-330xi-AWD-Excellent-Condition-Fast_W0QQitemZ130204107806QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130204107806
Only 30k miles:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-BMW-325XI-AWD-PREMIUM-HARMAN-K-30K-AMAZING_W0QQitemZ320224759736QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320224759736
That was my first suggestion. She would rather have a TSX. I thought that was st00pit.
I picked up the Caddy for $20k with 27k miles on it; you should be able to find one cheaper now
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
I picked up the Caddy for $20k with 27k miles on it; you should be able to find one cheaper now
No offense, but there is no way she would EVER drive a Cadillac.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 05:21:41 PM
No offense, but there is no way she would EVER drive a Cadillac.
Then she is not a person worth helping with decisions.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 05:29:19 PM
Then she is not a person worth helping with decisions.
I agree, but she's hot, so I guess she is.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 09, 2008, 05:29:53 PM
I agree, but she's hot, so I guess she is.
Do you realize what an absolute tool you sound like?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 05:29:19 PM
Then she is not a person worth helping with decisions.
There's no sense in spending Cadillac money on someone who won't really like the car.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 05:30:50 PM
Do you realize what an absolute tool you sound like?
No, or else he would've stopped by now.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 09, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
No, or else he would've stopped by now.
He can say what he likes, but my sister will end up with a better car than his anyway. :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 07:47:11 PM
He can say what he likes, but my sister will end up with a better car than his anyway. :lol:
not very hard to accomplish...
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 07:48:10 PM
not very hard to accomplish...
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 07:47:11 PM
He can say what he likes, but my sister will end up with a better car than his anyway. :lol:
:clap:
Do Civic Si's come with autos? :lol:
Because they are ~$20k and those are cool. Too bad she wants auto only.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 09, 2008, 07:50:29 PM
Do Civic Si's come with autos? :lol:
Because they are ~$20k and those are cool. Too bad she wants auto only.
Yeah, I guess. It is a shame that she wants auto only.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 07:47:11 PM
He can say what he likes, but my sister will end up with a better car than his anyway. :lol:
Has nothing to do with the situation.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 09, 2008, 08:06:56 PM
Has nothing to do with the situation.
But guess what? It's 100% true!
Quote from: ifcar on March 09, 2008, 07:42:21 PM
There's no sense in spending Cadillac money on someone who won't really like the car.
Not liking a car is one thing: but to refuse to ever even think about trying a car because of the name on it is quite another.
Close minded people have usually made their decision already and are just waiting for someone else to suggest what they've already thought of.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 08:14:01 PM
Not liking a car is one thing: but to refuse to ever even think about trying a car because of the name on it is quite another.
Close minded people have usually made their decision already and are just waiting for someone else to suggest what they've already thought of.
It's not only that. She thinks the CTS is ass-ugly.
Edit: Stupid on my part to not say that from the get-go.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 08:14:59 PM
It's not only that. She thinks the CTS is ass-ugly.
Not what you said: you said that she would never even think of driving a cadillac.
You could have said Honda or Dodge or Lancia or Kleinschnittger, my opinion of the statement would have been the same.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 08:16:16 PM
Not what you said: you said that she would never even think of driving a cadillac.
You could have said Honda or Dodge or Lancia or Kleinschnittger, my opinion of the statement would have been the same.
I know. I acknowledged that in my previous post.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 08:14:01 PM
Not liking a car is one thing: but to refuse to ever even think about trying a car because of the name on it is quite another.
Close minded people have usually made their decision already and are just waiting for someone else to suggest what they've already thought of.
I certainly agree. But I don't think your reaction would have changed had she driven the car and still said she wouldn't want a Cadillac, and there really is no point in spending such an amount of money on a car (or anything else) someone wouldn't absolutely adore.
Quote from: ifcar on March 09, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
I certainly agree. But I don't think your reaction would have changed had she driven the car and still said she wouldn't want a Cadillac, and there really is no point in spending such an amount of money on a car (or anything else) someone wouldn't absolutely adore.
My aunt drives an Audi S4. She clearly spent a lot on it, and she could care less what she drives. She doesn't "adore" it.
Quote from: ifcar on March 09, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
I certainly agree. But I don't think your reaction would have changed had she driven the car and still said she wouldn't want a Cadillac, and there really is no point in spending such an amount of money on a car (or anything else) someone wouldn't absolutely adore.
Yes, my opinion would have changed, and there's no need to spend a mint on one either, as Vin has already pointed out.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 08:42:29 PM
Yes, my opinion would have changed, and there's no need to spend a mint on one either, as Vin has already pointed out.
It's pretty similar to me whether someone rejects a car because of a silly reason before or after agreeing to drive the car. In fact, rejecting a car you DO like for a bad reason might even be worse.
And I wasn't talking about a lot of money compared to other car prices, but more in the notion that any car is a large amount of money. I mean, compare this to crv16's "car for teenage girl" thread.
Forget about the car, any pix of the sis?
Quote from: NomisR on March 09, 2008, 09:16:32 PM
Forget about the car, any pix of the sis?
No, you horny fucker. :lol:
Quote from: NomisR on March 09, 2008, 09:16:32 PM
Forget about the car, any pix of the sis?
DUDE! I've seen them. She's a 10/10.
:rockon:
Of course that's less creepy coming from me since she's like 2 years older than me, and like 40 years younger than you.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 09, 2008, 09:20:17 PM
DUDE! I've seen them. She's a 10/10.
:rockon:
Of course that's less creepy coming from me since she's like 2 years older than me, and like 40 years younger than you.
Guess what? You're still a creepy fuck who will probably show up on the registered child sex offender list soon. From Nomis, I take it as a joke. You're just a creepy bastard.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 09:21:27 PM
Guess what? You're still a creepy fuck who will probably show up on the registered child sex offender list soon. From Nomis, I take it as a joke. You're just a creepy bastard.
:mask:
Child offender? She's in her 20s, isn't she?!
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 09, 2008, 09:22:58 PM
:mask:
Child offender? She's in her 20s, isn't she?!
You gave "piano lessons". She didn't.
is this the one who beat up her Avalon? or is this another member's sis I'm thinking about?
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 09:36:32 PM
is this the one who beat up her Avalon? or is this another member's sis I'm thinking about?
No, that's his sister.
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 09:36:32 PM
is this the one who beat up her Avalon? or is this another member's sis I'm thinking about?
That's my sister, and it got hit while it was parked, and the one who hit the car ran.
ah, thought so.
Maybe she should get a TSX, then...Hondas can take a pretty good beating :praise:
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 09:46:33 PM
ah, thought so.
Maybe she should get a TSX, then...Hondas can take a pretty good beating :praise:
Perhaps. I think it would serve her well, and it's a good little car.
Pardon me for saying this, but your sister has genuinely not really shown an appreciation for what she has had in the past. I don't care where she goes or what she does, if I had a daughter like her, I'd force her to keep on driving the Legacy and maintain its upkeep until she could prove she deserved better. She sounds like a badge-snobby bitch.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 10:53:59 PM
Pardon me for saying this, but your sister has genuinely not really shown an appreciation for what she has had in the past. I don't care where she goes or what she does, if I had a daughter like her, I'd force her to keep on driving the Legacy and maintain its upkeep until she could prove she deserved better. She sounds like a badge-snobby bitch.
You're pardoned, and my Dad doesn't trust the Subaru on these trips. She's not badge-snobby, and my Dad thinks she deserves it.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
You're pardoned, and my Dad doesn't trust the Subaru on these trips. She's not badge-snobby, and my Dad thinks she deserves it.
Has she ever been responsible with a car?
Answer this honestly.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:00:36 PM
Has she ever been responsible with a car?
Answer this honestly.
Reasonably with the Avalon. Oddly enough, she hadn't caused any of its damage. It was hit when it was parked (and it was hit pretty nicely too...), and the starter crapped out on her. The Subaru, not so much, because she was pissed that she had to drive that pile in High School, when all her friends were getting 3-series' and Jettas and A4's, and much nicer cars. She has matured since then.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 11:02:18 PM
Reasonably with the Avalon. Oddly enough, she hadn't caused any of its damage. It was hit when it was parked (and it was hit pretty nicely too...), and the starter crapped out on her. The Subaru, not so much, because she was pissed that she had to drive that pile in High School, when all her friends were getting 3-series' and Jettas and A4's, and much nicer cars. She has matured since then.
I think I will make my first-born child drive a Chevette in high school just to see what happens. If they can handle it, they will receive much nicer than matching funds on their first "real" car.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
I think I will make my first-born child drive a Chevette in high school just to see what happens. If they can handle it, they will receive much nicer than matching funds on their first "real" car.
Is that sarcasm?
That's besides the point. My Dad thinks she deserves the car, and she probably does need the car, and we are buying it. Now the question is not whether one should be bought at all, but rather which one should be purchased. I say we stick to that question.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
Is that sarcasm?
It would be a character-building experience. I don't think a car is entitled to anyone once they get their license. You have to deserve you can own and maintain one properly.
QuoteThat's besides the point. My Dad thinks she deserves the car, and she probably does need the car, and we are buying it. Now the question is not whether one should be bought at all, but rather which one should be purchased. I say we stick to that question.
Then why is she only looking at luxury nameplates?
I say:
-Legacy
-Accord EX
-Acura TL
-Audi A3
-Golf
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
I think I will make my first-born child drive a Chevette in high school just to see what happens. If they can handle it, they will receive much nicer than matching funds on their first "real" car.
My firstborn will probably get a junkyard special and a box of tools.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 11:10:10 PM
My firstborn will probably get a junkyard special and a box of tools.
I was planning on doing matching funds. I had to buy my own car completely, but if I have a child who saves up $2,000 while getting a 4.0 GPA and being in a bunch of activities and doing well at them while working, I definitely feel they should have that kind of support if it's available.
You're a much better person than I am.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:10:06 PM
I say:
-Legacy- Fine, here's an example of brand-snobbishness.
-Accord EX- The TSX costs about the same, and is a better drive
-Acura TL- The TSX is more fun, and probably a better car. And that's a luxury name.
-Audi A3-We're still tossing around the idea or a Rabbit/GTI, although it's not likely. Once again, luxury nameplate.
-Golf-See Audi A3.
Your sister is a badge snob.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Your sister is a badge snob.
You have one example. And she lived with an older Subaru for some time.
That, and if a great car for her has a nameplate that happens to be somewhat prestigious, that makes her a brand snob? Nice logic, Teuton.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 11:14:58 PM
You have one example. And she lived with an older Subaru for some time.
That, and if a great car for her has a nameplate that happens to be somewhat prestigious, that makes her a brand snob? Nice logic, Teuton.
The GTI is a better car than the A3 for the money, and it's cheaper. Yet she only wants the Audi.
Likewise, an Accord can have way more features for way less money than a TSX, and we've already established that your sister is not an enthusiast. I think she's one of those, "But daddy, it's not a [insert luxury brand here]..." kind of people. That's all.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 09, 2008, 11:12:30 PM
I did like the TL much better than the TSX I test drove. Your dad had a TL, right?
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:18:46 PM
The GTI is a better car than the A3 for the money, and it's cheaper. Yet she only wants the Audi.
Likewise, an Accord can have way more features for way less money than a TSX, and we've already established that your sister is not an enthusiast. I think she's one of those, "But daddy, it's not a [insert luxury brand here]..." kind of people. That's all.
WTF? Where did you read that she wanted an A3? I clearly just said that we were tossing around the idea of a
RABBIT/GTI. I never once said that she wanted an A3. And don't even bother arguing that the Accord is a better car than the TSX. How much cheaper can you get an Accord EX for? The TSX we're looking at should come out to about $17K. You pulled half of that out of your ass, dude.
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 11:19:35 PM
I did like the TL much better than the TSX I test drove. Your dad had a TL, right?
We did have a TL.
Oh, and Teuton, notice how she didn't want the BMW? Notice how there is no mention of a Mercedes here? Food for thought...
http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=9948.0 (http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=9948.0)
I do remember thinking that buying a Maxima or V6 Altima would be more worthwhile, but it all depends on the price you're going to be getting. Depending on the miles, $17k sounds like a nice deal.
Quote from: Vinsanity on March 09, 2008, 11:28:55 PM
http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=9948.0 (http://www.carspin.net/forums/index.php?topic=9948.0)
I do remember thinking that buying a Maxima or V6 Altima would be more worthwhile, but it all depends on the price you're going to be getting. Depending on the miles, $17k sounds like a nice deal.
I think the Max would be too big, but the Altima could be a contender.
NVM, the TSX we're looking at is $20K, but it has 18,351 miles, and is a 2005. I'm sure we can talk them down to about $17K. The site does not have a link, but if you go to vsacura.com (Valley Stream Acura in LI), and look in their pre-owned section, you'll find a grey one.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Your sister is a badge snob.
That's a bit of a harsh accusation. If a parent is willing to be generous, why not let them be? It's all in good health.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on March 10, 2008, 12:45:25 AM
That's a bit of a harsh accusation. If a parent is willing to be generous, why not let them be? It's all in good health.
Speaking from an IFCAR position, better cars exist in the marketplace for the same money or less. She's not an enthusiast, so a TSX is a moot kind of car that makes me wonder why a cheaper, better-equipped Accord wouldn't be a better choice.
This is like asking for a Lexus ES350 just to find out that the Camry XLE is the exact same thing but a few thousand dollars cheaper. I just question the motives behind liking some of these cars.
Honestly, the ideal chick car, IMO, would be an automatic RSX. I have a friend who has one, and she loves it. That, and it does stand out as a car with no direct cheaper alternative, as the Civic Si of that generation was a bread van that only came in stick with the same motor.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:12:27 PM
I was planning on doing matching funds. I had to buy my own car completely, but if I have a child who saves up $2,000 while getting a 4.0 GPA and being in a bunch of activities and doing well at them while working, I definitely feel they should have that kind of support if it's available.
You're a much better person than I am.
No, I'm not. I'll fund his car to a certain degree, but I want him to appreciate the value of his own work, before he learns the value of a dollar.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 09, 2008, 11:10:10 PM
My firstborn will probably get a junkyard special and a box of tools.
+1 :clap:
We should all earn our way into our first cars I say. I sure treated my first car better than many of my friends getting cars for free on their 16th b-day. It was a heap too, but in the end, outlasted everyone else. Good times.
I don't have kids, but I can see the day I go out with my nephew to go look at cars and pick from what he can reasonably own.
If I end up having kids, I would make sure that the car is structurally sound and safe before I think about my wallet. Their safety should be a priority versus their deserving a piece of junk. 16-18 year olds have the highest crash rates and I believe the highest death rate from crashes, so that should be taken into consideration when purchasing a first car for a son or daughter.
Wow Teuton, you're being an ass...
That said, I want to buy my own car. :praise:
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 03:42:42 PM
Wow Teuton, you're being an ass...
That said, I want to buy my own car. :praise:
I'm not spurning his father's decision to buy her a car, nor am I saying in this case that buying your own car should be the only way to go. I am merely stating my opinion, like it or leave it.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 09, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Your sister is a badge snob.
Everyone I know is a badge snob (or least would be). And only one of my friends drives a BMW.
Quote from: 850CSi on March 10, 2008, 04:09:15 PM
Everyone I know is a badge snob (or least would be). And only one of my friends drives a BMW.
Just because it isn't a BMW or MB doesn't mean that you can't be a badge snob. Badge snobbery is the act of believing something is better because of what is in front of or adorned to the hood, not what's under it.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:14:18 PM
Just because it isn't a BMW or MB doesn't mean that you can't be a badge snob. Badge snobbery is the act of believing something is better because of what is in front of or adorned to the hood, not what's under it.
Yeah, that was my point. Most people I know are badge snobs in that sense. Face it, people care about image.
Quote from: 850CSi on March 10, 2008, 04:16:58 PM
Yeah, that was my point. Most people I know are badge snobs in that sense. Face it, people care about image.
And I think that's a retarded concept to care about style over substance. Face it, when the G8 comes out, it will most likely be a better car than almost everything in the entry lux class. Will that mean that a person cross-shopping a TL with it might still get a TL even though the G8 might be a better car? Yes, because someone may lack sense in being able to see what the best choice is for the money.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:14:18 PM
Just because it isn't a BMW or MB doesn't mean that you can't be a badge snob. Badge snobbery is the act of believing something is better because of what is in front of or adorned to the hood, not what's under it.
You're one to speak, Mr. Subaru's are the best cars on earth. :rolleyes:
And I'm not a badge snob. If it's RWD and manual and fun to drive, I'll drive it (except for a Chinese car so I suppose that does make me a snob).
Teuton, after all your arguments, besides the Legacy, I fail to see how she's a brand snob.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:23:03 PM
And I think that's a retarded concept to care about style over substance. Face it, when the G8 comes out, it will most likely be a better car than almost everything in the entry lux class. Will that mean that a person cross-shopping a TL with it might still get a TL even though the G8 might be a better car? Yes, because someone may lack sense in being able to see what the best choice is for the money.
I can see what you are saying. I'm just thinking the last two sentences will be directly at fault for this thread adding about another 8 pages. :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 10, 2008, 04:24:38 PM
Teuton, after all your arguments, besides the Legacy, I fail to see how she's a brand snob.
I agree. Wanting a TSX doesn't count as brand snob either because that Accord is different from the USDM Accord.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
You're one to speak, Mr. Subaru's are the best cars on earth. :rolleyes:
And I'm not a badge snob. If it's RWD and manual and fun to drive, I'll drive it (except for a Chinese car so I suppose that does make me a snob).
But the difference is that I realize the Subaru brand has no equity behind it. Heck, I don't even have the Subaru constellation on the front of my car right now.
That being said, I realize it's a good car for what it is, and I fully believe that not because of the rally image associated with it, but with the proven ruggedness and reliability it has provided.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:26:00 PM
I agree. Wanting a TSX doesn't count as brand snob either because that Accord is different from the USDM Accord.
The Accord, while it may not be a better-driving car, is more practical, larger, and can be optioned just as well for less money. Pragmatism is not what the non-enthusiast TSX buyer buys a TSX for.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:23:03 PM
And I think that's a retarded concept to care about style over substance. Face it, when the G8 comes out, it will most likely be a better car than almost everything in the entry lux class. Will that mean that a person cross-shopping a TL with it might still get a TL even though the G8 might be a better car? Yes, because someone may lack sense in being able to see what the best choice is for the money.
I agree 100% (although I'll readily admit I'm a bit of a brand snob myself), but most people don't follow that train of thought (unfortunately). Especially college kids.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:28:16 PM
But the difference is that I realize the Subaru brand has no equity behind it. Heck, I don't even have the Subaru constellation on the front of my car right now.
That being said, I realize it's a good car for what it is, and I fully believe that not because of the rally image associated with it, but with the proven ruggedness and reliability it has provided.
So saying "Subarus are the best handling cars on earth" isn't being a brand snob?
Quote from: 850CSi on March 10, 2008, 04:30:14 PM
I agree 100% (although I'll readily admit I'm a bit of a brand snob myself), but most people don't follow that train of thought (unfortunately). Especially college kids.
I don't think being a badge snob is a bad thing if you use your car for how the reputation is designed. BMWs are sporting cars, yet many people buy them for image only when a Honda would be a much better alternative for their lifestyle.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:30:08 PM
The Accord, while it may not be a better-driving car, is more practical, larger, and can be optioned just as well for less money. Pragmatism is not what the non-enthusiast TSX buyer buys a TSX for.
What if they think it looks better (myself included)?
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:30:43 PM
So saying "Subarus are the best handling cars on earth" isn't being a brand snob?
First, I don't really believe that and second, drive one. It'll put a smile on your face. Own one and it will put a smile on your wallet.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:32:08 PM
What if they think it looks better (myself included)?
I think the FX45 looks better than the X5, but that still doesn't hide the fact that the X5 is a bigger and probably better vehicle.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:32:50 PM
First, I don't really believe that and second, drive one. It'll put a smile on your face. Own one and it will put a smile on your wallet.
You said it...
And I'm pretty sure they aren't as fun to drive as other cars you can buy for the same price anyways.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:34:44 PM
You said it...
And I'm pretty sure they aren't as fun to drive as other cars you can buy for the same price anyways.
I don't think so anymore. But back in the day when there was no Mazda3, the Impreza was probably one of the more fun cars in its class.
But that's all relative.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:37:01 PM
I don't think so anymore. But back in the day when there was no Mazda3, the Impreza was probably one of the more fun cars in its class.
But that's all relative.
Civic
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:38:22 PM
Civic
And B13 Sentra, and Protege, and Neon R/T, and Escort GT...what's your point?
Quote from: the Teuton on March 10, 2008, 04:40:20 PM
And B13 Sentra, and Protege, and Neon R/T, and Escort GT...what's your point?
That you're wrong when you say that the Impreza was one of the more fun cars to drive.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 04:38:22 PM
Civic
Not really.
The Impreza, Neon and and Sentra Usually placed ahead of it. Even the Protege (and MX-3) was likely more exciting.
And why is there all this rave for the Mazda 3?
Quote from: thecarnut on March 10, 2008, 05:13:29 PM
That you're wrong when you say that the Impreza was one of the more fun cars to drive.
It is and was, though.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 10, 2008, 05:29:42 PM
And why is there all this rave for the Mazda 3?
Because it's really engaging to drive, and practical as well?
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on March 10, 2008, 02:45:43 PM
If I end up having kids, I would make sure that the car is structurally sound and safe before I think about my wallet. Their safety should be a priority versus their deserving a piece of junk. 16-18 year olds have the highest crash rates and I believe the highest death rate from crashes, so that should be taken into consideration when purchasing a first car for a son or daughter.
Oh, the car would be safe before he'd be allowed to drive it, and it's not about what they deserve or what I can afford either.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2008, 07:53:23 AM
Oh, the car would be safe before he'd be allowed to drive it, and it's not about what they deserve or what I can afford either.
A seven-foot bonnet made from inch-thick steel and three square metres of chrome trowelled on the front is plenty safe.
Quote from: omicron on March 11, 2008, 07:56:58 AM
A seven-foot bonnet made from inch-thick steel and three square metres of chrome trowelled on the front is plenty safe.
I want one with all sorts of pointy bits sticking out the front end as well.
(http://thebumperdepot.com/images/330_1954_20Cadillac_20Dagmars-thumb.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 11, 2008, 07:59:33 AM
I want one with all sorts of pointy bits sticking out the front end as well.
(http://thebumperdepot.com/images/330_1954_20Cadillac_20Dagmars-thumb.jpg)
I always wondered what those things were for.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 11, 2008, 08:31:48 AM
I always wondered what those things were for.
(http://home.teleport.com/~flyheart/dagmar.jpg)
They're boobs, Trep.
C-Class?
Must've missed that one!
Why not, CALL_911?
Rabbit S four door. Quick, and the only 6 speed automatic in its class. New car with a new car warranty.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 11, 2008, 11:06:08 AM
Must've missed that one!
Why not, CALL_911?
Because they just suck compared to the competition. The 3er owns it, the A4 owns it, and the TSX probably does too.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 11, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
Because they just suck compared to the competition. The 3er owns it, the A4 owns it, and the TSX probably does too.
You haven't driven one. No, the C-Class does not suck. It may not be as "sporty" as the 3-series or A4, but I doubt your sister gives a flying rat's ass about sporty driving feel. I recall you telling a story once about how you took her on a spirited drive in a Tiburon and her saying how you should never drive like that again. It seems a C-Class would be right up her alley.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 11, 2008, 04:47:42 PM
You haven't driven one. No, the C-Class does not suck. It may not be as "sporty" as the 3-series or A4, but I doubt your sister gives a flying rat's ass about sporty driving feel. I recall you telling a story once about how you took her on a spirited drive in a Tiburon and her saying how you should never drive like that again. It seems a C-Class would be right up her alley.
I agree with Trep. At least try it out.
:mask: :pullover:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 11, 2008, 04:47:42 PM
You haven't driven one. No, the C-Class does not suck. It may not be as "sporty" as the 3-series or A4, but I doubt your sister gives a flying rat's ass about sporty driving feel. I recall you telling a story once about how you took her on a spirited drive in a Tiburon and her saying how you should never drive like that again. It seems a C-Class would be right up her alley.
You're trying to convince me that a C240 4Matic does not suck? Yeah, good one, Trep.
And what does the Tiburon have to do with anything?
I apologize if I missed this in the several pages of comments, but my $0.02 --
Think about future repair costs for this vehicle that will be owned out of warranty. Parts and labor (even from an honest independent mechanic) are expensive for a lot of these German luxury sedans. Check out some manufacturer forums and see what people are spending on these kinds of cars to keep them in running order. For a car with 40,000 miles on it and no warranty I'd probably be looking at some of the less exciting but more sustainable vehicles like the Acura TSX.
Quote from: Justin on March 11, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
I apologize if I missed this in the several pages of comments, but my $0.02 --
Think about future repair costs for this vehicle that will be owned out of warranty. Parts and labor (even from an honest independent mechanic) are expensive for a lot of these German luxury sedans. Check out some manufacturer forums and see what people are spending on these kinds of cars to keep them in running order. For a car with 40,000 miles on it and no warranty I'd probably be looking at some of the less exciting but more sustainable vehicles like the Acura TSX.
There's another reason why we're leaning towards the TSX.
This car is probably going to be bought in around a month.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 11, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
Because they just suck compared to the competition. The 3er owns it, the A4 owns it, and the TSX probably does too.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 12, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
What the fuck are you talking about?
Same goes for you. You seriously think a W203 was better than an A4 or a 3-series or a TSX? My sympathies. The W203 was the last one of the half-assed C-Classes (thankfully).
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 12, 2008, 10:49:54 AM
Same goes for you. You seriously think a W203 was better than an A4 or a 3-series or a TSX? My sympathies. The W203 was the last one of the half-assed C-Classes (thankfully).
'They just suck'.
Yeah, thanks for the informative post explaining why you don't like the C-Class and how it is 'owned' by its competitors.
Why the same question to me? You asked for suggestions and I gave one, so that is what I am talking about...
Why ask for suggestions if you've already made your mind up?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on March 12, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
'They just suck'.
Yeah, thanks for the informative post explaining why you don't like the C-Class and how it is 'owned' by its competitors.
Why the same question to me? You asked for suggestions and I gave one, so that is what I am talking about...
Why ask for suggestions if you've already made your mind up?
It's a mediocre car, with mediocre build quality, and the driving experience has been vastly surpassed.
I asked for suggestions, and I responded to yours before you had posted it. Give me a few solid reasons why a W203 is better than a comparable 3er or A4.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 12, 2008, 03:59:09 PM
It's a mediocre car, with mediocre build quality, and the driving experience has been vastly surpassed.
I asked for suggestions, and I responded to yours before you had posted it. Give me a few solid reasons why a W203 is better than a comparable 3er or A4.
You've never even driven one! Have you even sat in one? I haven't heard anything about mediocre build quality (yet). And if it's for your sister, who cares about the driving experience? Certainly not her. You're really limiting yourself by not testing one out. If it's out of your price range, that's understandable, but writing it off because you don't think it's good is just dumb.
Why are you so anti-MB when you have no solid information about the C-Class? It's a nice looking car, and is more powerful with the TSX, which is a dog with the auto.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 12, 2008, 04:08:25 PM
You've never even driven one! Have you even sat in one? I haven't heard anything about mediocre build quality (yet). And if it's for your sister, who cares about the driving experience? Certainly not her. You're really limiting yourself by not testing one out. If it's out of your price range, that's understandable, but writing it off because you don't think it's good is just dumb.
Why are you so anti-MB when you have no solid information about the C-Class? It's a nice looking car, and is more powerful with the TSX, which is a dog with the auto.
I have been in one, it's built like shit. The C240 4Matic, which is the one we would be looking at is even more of a dog than the TSX would ever be.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 12, 2008, 04:09:48 PM
I have been in one, it's built like shit. The C240 4Matic, which is the one we would be looking at is even more of a dog than the TSX would ever be.
I haven't heard any reviews that say that. Besides the fugly steering wheel it looks pretty nice.
And why does your sister insist on 4WD? It already has all those electronic nannies to keep you out of trouble.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 12, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
I haven't heard any reviews that say that. Besides the fugly steering wheel it looks pretty nice.
And why does your sister insist on 4WD? It already has all those electronic nannies to keep you out of trouble.
RWD-phobic, probably. "It snows sometimes! :cry:"
:devil: :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on March 12, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
I haven't heard any reviews that say that. Besides the fugly steering wheel it looks pretty nice.
And why does your sister insist on 4WD? It already has all those electronic nannies to keep you out of trouble.
Actually I see where his sister is coming from. People who don't know anything about cars will insist that RWD = :nono: after one flake of snow hits the ground.
Quote from: Laconian on March 12, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
RWD-phobic, probably. "It snows sometimes! :cry:"
:devil: :lol:
:cry:
I must find a cure for this phobia. :lol:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 12, 2008, 04:52:26 PM
Actually I see where his sister is coming from. People who don't know anything about cars will insist that RWD = :nono: after one flake of snow hits the ground.
Well, so do you.
Maybe you can hold out and get the Alfa 159.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 12, 2008, 07:36:59 PM
Maybe you can hold out and get the Alfa 159.
:wtf:
Quote from: 2o6 on March 12, 2008, 07:37:46 PM
It's a comin'.....soon.
Like next year... they want a car next month and there's no way you'll be able to get a 159 for $20k.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 12, 2008, 07:38:57 PM
Like next year... they want a car next month and there's no way you'll be able to get a 159 for $20k.
Steal it.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 12, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
I haven't heard any reviews that say that. Besides the fugly steering wheel it looks pretty nice.
And why does your sister insist on 4WD? It already has all those electronic nannies to keep you out of trouble.
And Rag, we're not talking about the new C-Class, we're talking about the old POS one.
Quote from: CALL_911 on March 12, 2008, 08:20:04 PM
And Rag, we're not talking about the new C-Class, we're talking about the old POS one.
OOOhhhhhhh..........
:mask: :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on March 12, 2008, 08:26:03 PM
OOOhhhhhhh..........
:mask: :lol:
Yeah....
:lol:
And if we could get a W204 for around $20K, do you think there would be any doubt?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 12, 2008, 07:39:47 PM
Steal it.
... Are you trying to ENFORCE various racial stereotypes?! :confused: :huh:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 12, 2008, 08:40:56 PM
... Are you trying to ENFORCE various racial stereotypes?! :confused: :huh:
No, I doubt he was. Nice try, though.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 12, 2008, 08:40:56 PM
... Are you trying to ENFORCE various racial stereotypes?! :confused: :huh:
Are you ACTUALLY trying to be funny?
Because you sure suck at it.
I've probably driven more W203 C classes than anyone here, and it's a fine car. I just wouldn't get the C240 4Matic though; that engine is saddled with too much.
We went car shopping today, and we're looking closely at this:
http://autos.nexteppe.com/paragonacura/vehicle.asp?v=388812#1
Yes or no?
Oh, and at another Acura dealer, we saw an '07 Accord EX V6 with leather for $21,750 with like 8k miles on it. That's also in the running, as is a Mazda6, Mazda3, and an Impreza 2.5i hatch.
I'd get that Accord. Low miles and more power.
Quote from: CJ on April 05, 2008, 08:47:32 PM
I'd get that Accord. Low miles and more power.
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the TSX have better suspention and is lighter?
Quote from: 2o6 on April 05, 2008, 08:51:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the TSX have better suspention and is lighter?
The Accord is pretty smooth, handles pretty darn good for a family sedan, and it's not exactly heavy.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 05, 2008, 08:51:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the TSX have better suspention and is lighter?
Yes.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 05, 2008, 08:51:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the TSX have better suspention and is lighter?
Yeah. Plus, my sister doesn't need that power, and she liked the way the TSX drove over the Accord. We're leaning towards the TSX.
We might go check out a 9-3 tomorrow.
I see a lot of TSXs around here (there's at least 3 in my apartment complex alone). It's a nice car, and I'd be really tempted to give a look to a 5-speed one were I shopping for a car in that price range.
Quote from: The Pirate on April 05, 2008, 09:26:35 PM
I see a lot of TSXs around here (there's at least 3 in my apartment complex alone). It's a nice car, and I'd be really tempted to give a look to a 5-speed one were I shopping for a car in that price range.
They really are nice cars. She wants an automatic (BTW, it's a 6-speed manual, not a 5-speed), though. Either way, should be a nice car.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 05, 2008, 09:28:12 PM
They really are nice cars. She wants an automatic (BTW, it's a 6-speed manual, not a 5-speed), though. Either way, should be a nice car.
D'oh, I did know that. :mask: :lol:
Quote from: The Pirate on April 05, 2008, 09:29:28 PM
D'oh, I did know that. :mask: :lol:
:lol:
We stopped in the Toyota dealer, just for shits and giggles. We saw a new Corolla there (a base one). What a POS.
Quote from: Raza on March 12, 2008, 10:07:22 PM
I've probably driven more W203 C classes than anyone here, and it's a fine car. I just wouldn't get the C240 4Matic though; that engine is saddled with too much.
At one point I would drive at least one a week, for well over a year. Granted, they were often the same car, but I think I drove every possible configuration of that car.
The C-240 4-Matic is fine. My cousin has one and it's a great car. But as Raza correctly pointed out, it's a tad...sluggish. Opt for a 320 or 350 if you need some pep.
Quote from: Submariner on April 05, 2008, 09:32:47 PM
At one point I would drive at least one a week, for well over a year. Granted, they were often the same car, but I think I drove every possible configuration of that car.
The C-240 4-Matic is fine. My cousin has one and it's a great car. But as Raza correctly pointed out, it's a tad...sluggish. Opt for a 320 or 350 if you need some pep.
Fine, they're decent cars, but for now, they're out of the running. We've pretty much narrowed it down to these cars, in this order:
1. Acura TSX (the one I posted)
2. Accord V6
3. Mazda3
4. Impreza 2.5i
How much do you guys think we could get a Mazda6 V6 for? How much below MSRP do you think the dealer would go?
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 05, 2008, 09:51:06 PM
How much do you guys think we could get a Mazda6 V6 for? How much below MSRP do you think the dealer would go?
Any chance of looking at a used one? Resale on those isn't particularly spectacular.
Quote from: The Pirate on April 05, 2008, 09:55:55 PM
Any chance of looking at a used one? Resale on those isn't particularly spectacular.
Es muy posible.
However, I'd imagine that since it's an aging model, dealers would be willing to bargain a nice amount. I remember 850CSi had one in his family, and I believe they got a very good deal on it.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 05, 2008, 10:00:19 PM
Es muy posible.
However, I'd imagine that since it's an aging model, dealers would be willing to bargain a nice amount. I remember 850CSi had one in his family, and I believe they got a very good deal on it.
My dad drives a 5-speed 6 V6 (loaded up too) that he's looking to get rid of (he wants something a bit sportier). I'm strongly tempted to pick it up, depending on how big the family discount is.
Quote from: The Pirate on April 05, 2008, 10:03:00 PM
My dad drives a 5-speed 6 V6 (loaded up too) that he's looking to get rid of (he wants something a bit sportier). I'm strongly tempted to pick it up, depending on how big the family discount is.
That sounds awesome.
I just e-mailed the local Mazda dealer to get a quote on a white Mazda6 V6. Sticker's like $24,695 or something. I'm hoping we can talk them down to under $20k.
Quote from: Submariner on April 05, 2008, 09:32:47 PM
At one point I would drive at least one a week, for well over a year. Granted, they were often the same car, but I think I drove every possible configuration of that car.
The C-240 4-Matic is fine. My cousin has one and it's a great car. But as Raza correctly pointed out, it's a tad...sluggish. Opt for a 320 or 350 if you need some pep.
The 230 would run circles around the 240, especially in 4Matic.
(http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/27018/6055T.jpg)
(http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/27018/6055T.03.jpg)
(http://images.cars.com/supersized/DMI/27018/6055T.09.jpg)
That's kinda good looking.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 01:08:24 AM
That's kinda good looking.
Check your PM's. I may be of some help.
GODDAMMIT!!!
The Mazda dealers aren't emailing me back.
I wouldn't go with the Accord, personally, because I wouldn't need a car that big. Any of the other three would be awesome, but after living with a hatchback, I'd continue with a hatch. They're very practical.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 05, 2008, 10:00:19 PM
Es muy posible.
However, I'd imagine that since it's an aging model, dealers would be willing to bargain a nice amount. I remember 850CSi had one in his family, and I believe they got a very good deal on it.
True and true.
You should definitely be able to talk them down to below $20K (we didn't do a lot of talking, they were heavily marked down for some reason, but I believe we got ours for significantly less than $20K). I know this is also slightly flawed [and subjective] logic, but it's also an outgoing model now... I wouldn't buy one unless i got a really really good deal.
Ro, go with the Mazda6 V6. The TSX is a dog with the AT.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:28:13 AM
Ro, go with the Mazda6 V6. The TSX is a dog with the AT.
With gas prices what they are, I will heartily disagree with you. I think a Mazda3i is right up her alley. Remember, gas prices are projected to get to $3.50 per gallon sometime soon.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:32:32 AM
With gas prices what they are, I will heartily disagree with you. I think a Mazda3i is right up her alley. Remember, gas prices are projected to get to $3.50 per gallon sometime soon.
If we can get a 6 V6 cheap, why would we buy a 3?
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:28:13 AM
Ro, go with the Mazda6 V6. The TSX is a dog with the AT.
Yeah, I'm really looking hard into it. Thing is, that TSX also seems like a nice deal.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:32:32 AM
With gas prices what they are, I will heartily disagree with you. I think a Mazda3i is right up her alley. Remember, gas prices are projected to get to $3.50 per gallon sometime soon.
Oh! I forgot they were also looking at 3's.
Get a 3i hatch.
And gas prices are way over $3.50 here. :cry:
Quote from: 850CSi on April 06, 2008, 10:13:00 AM
True and true.
You should definitely be able to talk them down to below $20K (we didn't do a lot of talking, they were heavily marked down for some reason, but I believe we got ours for significantly less than $20K). I know this is also slightly flawed [and subjective] logic, but it's also an outgoing model now... I wouldn't buy one unless i got a really really good deal.
I follow that logic. Hell, that's the reason why it's even on our list. :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 10:35:15 AM
If we can get a 6 V6 cheap, why would we buy a 3?
Yeah, I'm really looking hard into it. Thing is, that TSX also seems like a nice deal.
Gas mileage, the 3 looks better, etc? :huh:
The 6 is the best looking midsize though. If you could get it for $18-19k then that's probably a good route.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:36:23 AM
Gas mileage, the 3 looks better, etc? :huh:
The 6 is the best looking midsize though. If you could get it for $18-19k then that's probably a good route.
That's all true (I think the 6 looks better proportioned than the 3 does), but if we can get a 6 V6 cheap, it really does seem like a better deal than the 3 would be.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 10:37:01 AM
That's all true (I think the 6 looks better proportioned than the 3 does), but if we can get a 6 V6 cheap, it really does seem like a better deal than the 3 would be.
Yeah. The 3 (especially the i) probably wouldn't be so good with an auto.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
Oh! I forgot they were also looking at 3's.
Get a 3i hatch.
And gas prices are way over $3.50 here. :cry:
That kinda sucks. It's close to $3.30 here right now.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:39:02 AM
Yeah. The 3 (especially the i) probably wouldn't be so good with an auto.
I agree. I'm waiting on quotes from the Mazda dealer on a Performance White 6s VP with a black interior. If it's under $20K, it's a huge contender.
Has anyone noticed the Mazda key? I like it.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:32:32 AM
With gas prices what they are, I will heartily disagree with you. I think a Mazda3i is right up her alley. Remember, gas prices are projected to get to $3.50 per gallon sometime soon.
Bah, gas prices have been projected at $4 every summer for the last 5 years.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 10:40:44 AM
I agree. I'm waiting on quotes from the Mazda dealer on a Performance White 6s VP with a black interior. If it's under $20K, it's a huge contender.
Has anyone noticed the Mazda key? I like it.
BTW, you're so lucky... I'd love to go car shopping for my parents. :cry:
We're also kinda considering a 9-3 2.0T, but the dealer won't budge from like $25k.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:41:41 AM
BTW, you're so lucky... I'd love to go car shopping for my parents. :cry:
Really, my sister and I (obviously mostly me) have been doing all the research, my Dad has just come along to check the cars out.
Quote from: Raza on April 06, 2008, 10:41:19 AM
Bah, gas prices have been projected at $4 every summer for the last 5 years.
They have, haven't they? You think it's just scare tactics?
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/590000-590999/590978_47_full.jpg)
I was impressed by this.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:43:32 AM
They have, haven't they? You think it's just scare tactics?
Not this time. Gas prices are so close to $4 (in fact, over $4 here for premium) that by the time summer comes around, I don't see how gas prices nationally won't be hitting the $4 mark (or close to it).
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:43:32 AM
They have, haven't they? You think it's just scare tactics?
Yes. No one watches the news unless they're afraid of something. News programs have become profit centers, just like any other show, instead of the "noble" programming they once were. They like to get people worried so they'll tune in to learn more, and in the end, find out that everything turns out okay.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:45:21 AM
Not this time. Gas prices are so close to $4 (in fact, over $4 here for premium) that by the time summer comes around, I don't see how gas prices nationally won't be hitting the $4 mark (or close to it).
California doesn't count.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:43:32 AM
They have, haven't they? You think it's just scare tactics?
I think we'll hit it this year.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 10:44:46 AM
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/590000-590999/590978_47_full.jpg)
I was impressed by this.
Is it a switchblade or does it pop straight out?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=13794.msg798264#msg798264 date=1207500493
Is it a switchblade or does it pop straight out?
Switchblade. The Audi's felt better in the hand, but this had a more solid flip-out mechanism.
Quote from: The Pirate on April 06, 2008, 10:47:45 AM
I think we'll hit it this year.
Luckily, I have a bus pass and a job (potentially) that is not that far away. In fact, I took the bus and walked a block to get there for my interview. I'm not looking forward to paying $50 to fill my tank.
Oh, and Ro, does your sister care about how powerful her car is? I really would go for the most fuel-efficient models, personally.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Oh, and Ro, does your sister care about how powerful her car is? I really would go for the most fuel-efficient models, personally.
Kinda sorta. Not too much, though.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Luckily, I have a bus pass and a job (potentially) that is not that far away. In fact, I took the bus and walked a block to get there for my interview. I'm not looking forward to paying $50 to fill my tank.
Oh, and Ro, does your sister care about how powerful her car is? I really would go for the most fuel-efficient models, personally.
I'll be riding a fixie to work every day over the summer. :praise:
Actually, for the first month, I'll probably still be on my MTB. :cry:
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 10:55:30 AM
I'll be riding a fixie to work every day over the summer. :praise:
Actually, for the first month, I'll probably still be on my MTB. :cry:
You got a job? Congrats. What are you doing?
So the consensus here is against the TSX?
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 11:12:15 AM
So the consensus here is against the TSX?
I saw Mazda3 hatch, but that's me being pragmatic.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 11:04:24 AM
You got a job? Congrats. What are you doing?
No but my parents will let me.
Quick change of plans, I suppose? Me, my Dad, and my sister are headed to check out that TSX, and we just might be putting down a deposit.
STAY TUNED! If it doesn't work out, I'm going to push even more for the Mazda6.
Motherfucking Acura dealer...
They sold the car which they told us was available on the website and over the phone, and to give us another option, they showed us a 2004 TSX with 31K miles on it, and wouldn't budge from $20,500. Fuck that.
That said, we did drive the 2004 TSX, and my Dad is sold on it (it being a TSX, not that one). He liked it too. But the Mazda6 is still very much in the running.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
Motherfucking Acura dealer...
They sold the car which they told us was available on the website and over the phone, and to give us another option, they showed us a 2004 TSX with 31K miles on it, and wouldn't budge from $20,500. Fuck that.
That said, we did drive the 2004 TSX, and my Dad is sold on it (it being a TSX, not that one). He liked it too. But the Mazda6 is still very much in the running.
Same thing with that '06 Accord EX V6 on craigslist that the dealer had up for a few weeks but said that it was sold when we called! :rage:
$15k for a $30k car with 910 miles!
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 02:53:23 PM
Same thing with that '06 Accord EX V6 on craigslist that the dealer had up for a few weeks but said that it was sold when we called! :rage:
$15k for a $30k car with 910 miles!
I swear, we blew up at that goddamn manager. I would have liked to brutally beat him. In any case, we'll continue to look for TSX's. Is it that fucking hard to find a nice TSX with low miles around here?
How many miles did the other one have?
5,200 miles, eh? I don't think that's real, for less than $20k, just like that EX V6 6MT sedan for $15k probably wasn't real.
For $19k, the lowest TSX here is 33k or so miles. That's for a 6 speed though, dunno about the auto.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 06, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Luckily, I have a bus pass and a job (potentially) that is not that far away. In fact, I took the bus and walked a block to get there for my interview. I'm not looking forward to paying $50 to fill my tank.
Oh, and Ro, does your sister care about how powerful her car is? I really would go for the most fuel-efficient models, personally.
I'd rather pay $50 a week in gas than take a bus.
Quote from: Raza on April 06, 2008, 03:12:50 PM
I'd rather pay $50 a week in gas than take a bus.
Too good for public transport, eh? Most of the US does.
I don't mind public transport, but I like biking more.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 03:13:36 PM
Too good for public transport, eh? Most of the US does.
I don't mind public transport, but I like biking more.
It's not that I'm "too good" for public transport, it's too unreliable. And you have deal with the people that are on the bus.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
GODDAMMIT!!!
The Mazda dealers aren't emailing me back.
It's Sunday dude.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 03:13:36 PM
Too good for public transport, eh? Most of the US does.
I don't mind public transport, but I like biking more.
You've obviously never ridden the DDOT bus down Woodward in the summer.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 03:18:54 PM
It's Sunday dude.
I e-mailed the Mazda dealer we visited yesterday. They were open today from 11-5 or something like that.
My Dad's patient works at a Lexus dealer and we saw that that dealer has a 2004 IS300 in stock with 43,200 miles, for $22,600, and my Dad would get a nice discount. That could be fun.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=ascending&sortfield=PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_1_%7cB-21000%7cD-_7070_%7cN-N%7cR-30%7cI-1%7cP-PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending%7cQ-ascending%7cZ-11507&aff=national&paId=259573194&recnum=22&leadExists=true
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 04:48:51 PM
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=ascending&sortfield=PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_1_%7cB-21000%7cD-_7070_%7cN-N%7cR-30%7cI-1%7cP-PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending%7cQ-ascending%7cZ-11507&aff=national&paId=259573194&recnum=22&leadExists=true
Damn, that's cheap!
What about this? (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=238547146&dealer_id=61986173&car_year=2005&num_records=25&model=MUST&systime=&make2=&start_year=2005&engine=8+Cylinder&keywordsrep=103116&keywordsfyc=__Z3Q,__&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&first_record=26&make=FORD&color=&keywords_display=gt&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=25&transmission=Manual&doors=&max_price=18500&cardist=1750)
Quote from: Raza link=topic=13794.msg798585#msg798585 date=1207523144
What about this? (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=238547146&dealer_id=61986173&car_year=2005&num_records=25&model=MUST&systime=&make2=&start_year=2005&engine=8+Cylinder&keywordsrep=103116&keywordsfyc=__Z3Q,__&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&first_record=26&make=FORD&color=&keywords_display=gt&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=25&transmission=Manual&doors=&max_price=18500&cardist=1750)
Uh, no?
Quote from: Raza on April 06, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
What about this? (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=238547146&dealer_id=61986173&car_year=2005&num_records=25&model=MUST&systime=&make2=&start_year=2005&engine=8+Cylinder&keywordsrep=103116&keywordsfyc=__Z3Q,__&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&first_record=26&make=FORD&color=&keywords_display=gt&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=25&transmission=Manual&doors=&max_price=18500&cardist=1750)
I like how you suggest something completely outside of what he's looking for. :lol:
Nice car though.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 05:04:13 PM
Damn, that's cheap!
Yeah, I half want to ask my Dad to put down a deposit, because Manhattan's a little far. That car's PERFECT.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 05:07:04 PM
Yeah, I half want to ask my Dad to put down a deposit, because Manhattan's a little far. That car's PERFECT.
Seems suspiciously cheap...
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 05:07:42 PM
Seems suspiciously cheap...
I'm not suspicious. It's on the dealer's website.
www.acuraofmanhattan.com
It's the 1st car on the pre-owned special thing.
Too bad you can't get a 6 speed... that's a shame.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 05:06:28 PM
I like how you suggest something completely outside of what he's looking for. :lol:
Nice car though.
But he should be looking for that.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
Too bad you can't get a 6 speed... that's a shame.
For the 5th or 6th time, I know.
However, this means that I can get a car of equal value when I go to college, and maybe 1er's will depreciate to that price?
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 05:14:03 PM
For the 5th or 6th time, I know.
However, this means that I can get a car of equal value when I go to college, and maybe 1er's will depreciate to that price?
Maybe. Rich boy.
Too bad you can't get the 6 speed. :devil:
Just get a 3. It's downright peppy! I've showed you the one my friend has, haven't I?
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/clay92/P5130017.jpg)
It's very smooth, comfortable, and pretty spacious. I'd look into it big time.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 05:20:10 PM
Maybe. Rich boy.
Too bad you can't get the 6 speed. :devil:
For the millionth time, I am NOT rich.
And it isn't even going to be my car. When I get my car in college, for the same price, hopefully it will be a 1er, and if so, if most definitely will be a 6MT.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
Just get a 3. It's downright peppy! I've showed you the one my friend has, haven't I?
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/clay92/P5130017.jpg)
It's very smooth, comfortable, and pretty spacious. I'd look into it big time.
Reported.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
Just get a 3. It's downright peppy! I've showed you the one my friend has, haven't I?
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/clay92/P5130017.jpg)
It's very smooth, comfortable, and pretty spacious. I'd look into it big time.
If the TSX is $17.5k, and the 3 is like $18k, why would we ever go with a 3?
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 05:50:37 PM
If the TSX is $17.5k, and the 3 is like $18k, why would we ever go with a 3?
Because it's a new car with a new car warranty and a new car feel.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 05:51:23 PM
Because it's a new car with a new car warranty and a new car feel.
:rolleyes:
The CPO warranty is probably just as good, the one I posted (my Dad's going to inquire tomorrow) isn't exactly ancient, and the TSX is a better car. Game over.
Has your sister actually driven the 3?
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 05:55:32 PM
Has your sister actually driven the 3?
No. But she has driven about 2 TSX's, and she likes them a lot. Are you going to tell me that the 3 drives better than the TSX does?
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 05:56:39 PM
No. But she has driven about 2 TSX's, and she likes them a lot. Are you going to tell me that the 3 drives better than the TSX does?
I'm not. I am suggesting that she drive a 3.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-MAZDASPEED6-MIDSIZE-TURBO-6-SPEED-AWD-SPORT-CD-NC_W0QQitemZ220219043971QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220219043971
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
For the millionth time, I am NOT rich.
And it isn't even going to be my car. When I get my car in college, for the same price, hopefully it will be a 1er, and if so, if most definitely will be a 6MT.
Getting a $20k car is a pretty big deal. :huh:
And CJ, only you'd be dumb enough to take a 3 over a TSX. I'd only do that if the 3 was an MT and the TSX was an AT.
Automatic only.
Quote from: Submariner on April 06, 2008, 05:59:08 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-MAZDASPEED6-MIDSIZE-TURBO-6-SPEED-AWD-SPORT-CD-NC_W0QQitemZ220219043971QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220219043971
WIN
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:00:57 PM
Getting a $20k car is a pretty big deal. :huh:
And CJ, only you'd be dumb enough to take a 3 over a TSX. I'd only do that if the 3 was an MT and the TSX was an AT.
I would take a new car over a used car any day. It's just common sense.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
I would take a new car over a used car any day. It's just common sense.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
I would take a new car over a used car any day. It's just common sense.
No it isn't and you don't have any common sense.
You act like a 2 year old TSX will break down as soon as it's driven off the lot. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Tave on April 06, 2008, 06:06:31 PM
What makes you boneheads think she wants something like the MS6? It sounds like she's looking for a little more luxury and a little less involvement.
That's the wrong question to ask a board full of auto enthusiasts. :lol:
Wait, Ro, what about a Volvo S40? I've always liked those. Plus the waterfall center stack is nice.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:08:57 PM
Wait, Ro, what about a Volvo S40? I've always liked those. Plus the waterfall center stack is nice.
Funny you say that, my parents were just discussing a C30.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:06:03 PM
No it isn't and you don't have any common sense.
You act like a 2 year old TSX will break down as soon as it's driven off the lot. :rolleyes:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you have no clue how the car was treated previously and the service history, if it wasn't documented. With a new car, you know the service history, you know how it has been driven, and you know how it was treated. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:08:13 PM
That's the wrong question to ask a board full of auto enthusiasts. :lol:
Ignore that post. I made some assumptions about the tread that were completely wrong.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:10:21 PM
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you have no clue how the car was treated previously and the service history, if it wasn't documented. With a new car, you know the service history, you know how it has been driven, and you know how it was treated. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does.
It's a CPO! Damn, CJ, this car is not a salvaged POS, it's almost new. I'm afraid the TSX wins in almost every way against the 3, at least in this case.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:10:21 PM
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you have no clue how the car was treated previously and the service history, if it wasn't documented. With a new car, you know the service history, you know how it has been driven, and you know how it was treated. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does.
You're still dumb.
That's completely irrational. Chances are a nice car like a TSX will be nicely maintained.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:09:27 PM
Funny you say that, my parents were just discussing a C30.
Well, I like the S40 more but C30's are nice as well.
Seriously take a look at the Turbo 6.
6-Speed FTMFW!
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:11:58 PM
You're still dumb.
That's completely irrational. Chances are a nice car like a TSX will be nicely maintained.
How the fuck is it irrational? Chances are just that.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
I would take a new car over a used car any day. It's just common sense.
I seriously doubt I will ever buy a new car again. My wife's cars will probably all be new, but I don't think any of mine will.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:12:29 PM
Well, I like the S40 more but C30's are nice as well.
Yeah. We would be taking a closer look before we did anything, though.
Quote from: Submariner on April 06, 2008, 06:13:34 PM
Seriously take a look at the Turbo 6.
6-Speed FTMFW!
This is getting frustrating. SHE WANTS AN AUTOMATIC! Damn.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
How the fuck is it irrational? Chances are just that.
You're 15 and want a minivan, so you don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:14:45 PM
You're 15 and want a minivan, so you don't know what you're talking about.
That's not the example I would back that up with, but I wholeheartedly agree with the latter.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 06:13:50 PM
I seriously doubt I will ever buy a new car again. My wife's cars will probably all be new, but I don't think any of mine will.
+1, unless I get a good deal on a car I really must have.
And Soup, don't you know that cars automatically turn into exploding timebombs as soon as you buy them? :rolleyes:
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:15:26 PM
That's not the example I would back that up with, but I wholeheartedly agree with the latter.
I didn't want to sound like Trep and be a condescending prick by saying he has no experience (which is also true).
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:15:32 PM
+1, unless I get a good deal on a car I really must have.
And Soup, don't you know that cars automatically turn into exploding timebombs as soon as you buy them? :rolleyes:
Used cars can't make it home from the dealer, you n00b. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:16:14 PM
Used cars can't make it home from the dealer, you n00b. :rolleyes:
I know, those stealerships must drain them of all their fluids so the engines all seize up! :rolleyes:
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THEY WOULDN'T MAKE IT HOME FROM THE DEALER. SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK I SAID THAT. OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:17:37 PM
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THEY WOULDN'T MAKE IT HOME FROM THE DEALER. SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK I SAID THAT. OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T.
Well, your point against a used TSX is pretty dumb.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
Yeah. We would be taking a closer look before we did anything, though.
This is getting frustrating. SHE WANTS AN AUTOMATIC! Damn.
Oh...missed that part.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:17:37 PM
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THEY WOULDN'T MAKE IT HOME FROM THE DEALER. SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK I SAID THAT. OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T.
You're the one who said that all used cars are improperly maintained. :rolleyes:
Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about, so shut the fuck up.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:16:08 PM
I didn't want to sound like Trep and be a condescending prick by saying he has no experience (which is also true).
Experience with what? Buying used cars? We've bought three used cars. The Volvo, Rodeo, and Integra. The Volvo was in the shop every other week, the Rodeo had major cooling issues a few weeks after we bought it and always had cooling issues, even after we replaced the ENTIRE cooling system, and the Integra has just been a POS.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:19:06 PM
You're the one who said that all used cars are improperly maintained. :rolleyes:
Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about, so shut the fuck up.
Show me where the fuck I said that ALL used cars are improperly maintaned. I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT. I said that you don't know if they have been properly maintained, unless the records are provided.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:19:28 PM
Experience with what? Buying used cars? We've bought three used cars. The Volvo, Rodeo, and Integra. The Volvo was in the shop every other week, the Rodeo had major cooling issues a few weeks after we bought it and always had cooling issues, even after we replaced the ENTIRE cooling system, and the Integra has just been a POS.
Dude. This TSX is almost new. This is a little different.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Dude. This TSX is almost new. This is a little different.
The Rodeo was just over a year old when we bought it. The Volvo was two years old when we bought it.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:19:28 PM
Experience with what? Buying used cars? We've bought three used cars. The Volvo, Rodeo, and Integra. The Volvo was in the shop every other week, the Rodeo had major cooling issues a few weeks after we bought it and always had cooling issues, even after we replaced the ENTIRE cooling system, and the Integra has just been a POS.
Did you have a mechanic look at the cars before buying?
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:20:33 PM
Show me where the fuck I said that ALL used cars are improperly maintaned. I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT. I said that you don't know if they have been properly maintained, unless the records are provided.
Wow, cool down.
You're implying that they will break down.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
Wow, cool down.
You're implying that they will break down.
I am not.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:23:02 PM
The Rodeo was just over a year old when we bought it. The Volvo was two years old when we bought it.
What Volvo?
And a new car can have the same problems.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:24:32 PM
What Volvo?
And a new car can have the same problems.
We had a 1990 740 GL wagon.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:19:28 PM
Experience with what? Buying used cars? We've bought three used cars. The Volvo, Rodeo, and Integra. The Volvo was in the shop every other week, the Rodeo had major cooling issues a few weeks after we bought it and always had cooling issues, even after we replaced the ENTIRE cooling system, and the Integra has just been a POS.
Wow, three. :rolleyes:
All the Used cars I know people to have bought have been treated kindly. But guess what! New cars break down as well. Maybe we should stop buying cars altogether, they might have a minor issue.
If you have any questions about the TSX I'd be happy to answer them for you. I have an 2004. You can check out TSXClub.com as well, I'm a super-mod there.
Quote from: eThirteen on April 06, 2008, 06:43:54 PM
If you have any questions about the TSX I'd be happy to answer them for you. I have an 2004. You can check out TSXClub.com as well, I'm a super-mod there.
Thanks.
First question:
How different is the powerplant on the post-facelift from the one on the pre-facelift? I know it has more torque.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
Thanks.
First question:
How different is the powerplant on the post-facelift from the one on the pre-facelift? I know it has more torque.
The difference is pretty much negligible. The 04-05 had a tiny bit less HP/Tq, and the 06+ have a tiny bit more midrange torque.. however it doesn't make much of a difference, nothing your sister would need to be worried about.
These are the somewhat acurrate dyno numbers for an automatic. The 6spds have about 8 more hp/tq
04-05 - you are looking at 165whp , and 138wtq
06-08 - you are looking at 167whp , and 142wtq
Quote from: eThirteen on April 06, 2008, 06:48:21 PM
The difference is pretty much negligible. The 04-05 had a tiny bit less HP/Tq, and the 06+ have a tiny bit more midrange torque.. however it doesn't make much of a difference, nothing your sister would need to be worried about.
Awesome. I like the post-facelift better, it looks great.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:49:03 PM
Awesome. I like the post-facelift better, it looks great.
I like the post-facelift too, gives a clean look, well minus the rims. But the post-facelift model (06+) have alot more goodies in terms of technology, such as iPod interfacing, bluetooth, a MID, etc.
Quote from: eThirteen on April 06, 2008, 06:51:55 PM
I like the post-facelift too, gives a clean look, well minus the rims. But the post-facelift model (06+) have alot more goodies in terms of technology, such as iPod interfacing, bluetooth, a MID, etc.
Yeah, I'm not in love with the rims either. I wasn't aware that the post-facelift has iPod interfacing. Wow, if this goes through, she is really going to love this car. I just want to experience the high-revving Honda engine. That sounds like fun.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 06:55:12 PM
Yeah, I'm not in love with the rims either. I wasn't aware that the post-facelift has iPod interfacing. Wow, if this goes through, she is really going to love this car. I just want to experience the high-revving Honda engine. That sounds like fun.
I can't remember if it has full interfacing or not standard, but you can buy a special adapter (Blitzsafe, Dension, SHOND3, many brands carry it) that fully supports the iPod. You will be able to view the song info on the TSX's display, as well as control the ipod using your steering wheel controls. The AUX plug is behind the head unit < easy to access though
Quote from: eThirteen on April 06, 2008, 06:58:53 PM
I can't remember if it has full interfacing or not standard, but you can buy a special adapter (Blitzsafe, Dension, SHOND3, many brands carry it) that fully supports the iPod. You will be able to view the song info on the TSX's display, as well as control the ipod using your steering wheel controls. The AUX plug is behind the head unit < easy to access though
If and when we get the car, I'll ask for more details on the AUX plug.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
If and when we get the car, I'll ask for more details on the AUX plug.
Ask the dealership if the previous owner topped off the blinker fluid. :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
If and when we get the car, I'll ask for more details on the AUX plug.
Hope you guys get the car ;) Any more questions just ask.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 07:02:55 PM
Ask the dealership if the previous owner topped off the blinker fluid. :lol:
:lol:
Quote from: eThirteen on April 06, 2008, 07:03:00 PM
Hope you guys get the car ;) Any more questions just ask.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=ascending&sortfield=PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_1_%7cB-21000%7cD-_7070_%7cN-N%7cR-30%7cI-1%7cP-PRICE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending%7cQ-ascending%7cZ-11507&aff=national&paId=259573194&recnum=22&leadExists=true
If it doesn't get sold, it's ours. However, look at it. Of course it's going to get sold. It's just too far from us to make anything certain. If this was at our local Acura dealer, it might have even been in our garage right now. Actually, it would have been on its way to Philadelphia, as we speak.
Black cars....-shudders- Black cars show every last detail.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 07:09:31 PM
Black cars....-shudders- Black cars show every last detail.
We already have one, and we don't have any problems with it. I think my sister will take her chances.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 06, 2008, 07:10:09 PM
We already have one, and we don't have any problems with it. I think my sister will take her chances.
CJ is trying very hard for you guys to get a 3. :lol:
I think the advantages of a new car over a used car is very obvious.
I also think the advantages of a used car over a used car is very obvious.
You're all idiots for arguing about it.
Great find, black on black. Alot of people go far distances to buy one with that combo ;)
It's got the extended warranty as well.. win win win.
Quote from: eThirteen on April 06, 2008, 07:11:58 PM
Great find, black on black. Alot of people go far distances to buy one with that combo ;)
It's got the extended warranty as well.. win win win.
Unfortunately, with that combo, and all those perks, it's gone gone gone. :(
Quote from: Raza on April 06, 2008, 07:11:39 PM
I think the advantages of a new car over a used car is very obvious.
I also think the advantages of a used car over a used car is very obvious.
You're all idiots for arguing about it.
No, CJ is the dumb one. New cars are nice but when you can have a much nicer pre owned one with a warranty, that's the obvious choice.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 07:10:54 PM
CJ is trying very hard for you guys to get a 3. :lol:
Oh, I see that. :lol:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=13794.msg798834#msg798834 date=1207530699
I think the advantages of a new car over a used car is very obvious.
I also think the advantages of a used car over a used car is very obvious.
You're all idiots for arguing about it.
I think that post was also very obvious, and you're an idiot for posting it.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 06:20:33 PM
Show me where the fuck I said that ALL used cars are improperly maintaned. I NEVER FUCKING SAID IT. I said that you don't know if they have been properly maintained, unless the records are provided.
And you don't know if a brand new car is a lemon either. A CPO car that comes with the remainder of the factory warranty, or even an extended warranty is going to have about the same likelyhood of catastrphic failure as a new one.
Unless you absoutely have to have the latest and greatest (which i do understand, believe me), I see no compelling case to rule out all used cars.
The only real question is, how used do you want your car to be?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 07:15:31 PM
And you don't know if a brand new car is a lemon either. A CPO car that comes with the remainder of the factory warranty, or even an extended warranty is going to have about the same likelyhood of catastrphic failure as a new one.
Unless you absoutely have to have the latest and greatest (which i do understand, believe me), I see no compelling case to rule out all used cars.
The only real question is, how used do you want your car to be?
If you get a new car and it happens to be a lemon, you can use their lemon law to get an identical vehicle.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 07:17:46 PM
If you get a new car and it happens to be a lemon, you can use their lemon law to get an identical vehicle.
Ever try to actually get anyone to honor that without taking it to court?
It's such a statistical improbability that it isn't worth factoring into a purchase decision.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
Ever try to actually get anyone to honor that without taking it to court?
It's such a statistical improbability that it isn't worth factoring into a purchase decision.
I haven't. And your last statement is true...unless you buy a Chryslerberus product.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 07:20:33 PM
I haven't. And your last statement is true...unless you buy a Chryslerberus product.
Not really. Even if they used cheap building materials, Chryslers aren't really known for being Lemons off the showroom floor.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 07:20:33 PM
I haven't. And your last statement is true...unless you buy a Chryslerberus product.
Recalls aren't the same thing...
and you aren't buying a Chrysler, are you?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 07:23:36 PM
Recalls aren't the same thing...
and you aren't buying a Chrysler, are you?
Nope.
The TSX is a very very reliable car... a lemon in a million. Although most owners have no problems at all, there are a few known problems. Some of them are known and warranted, some of them are known and aren't warranted. The 2004's have a known design flaw where the interior lights, head unit lights, and climate control lights ALL go out, and it costs thousands to repair if not under warranty. A worrying percentage people have had this problem, me included... however since it is a known problem, and you have a good relationship with your dealer, they may be able to fix it for you free of charge, if not you're out of luck.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 07:15:31 PM
The only real question is, how used do you want your car to be?
Anything ~35 years old and newer is fine, thx. :praise:
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 07:13:05 PM
No, CJ is the dumb one. New cars are nice but when you can have a much nicer pre owned one with a warranty, that's the obvious choice.
His point is well taken. So is yours. It comes down to preference.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
Just get a 3. It's downright peppy! I've showed you the one my friend has, haven't I?
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/clay92/P5130017.jpg)
It's very smooth, comfortable, and pretty spacious. I'd look into it big time.
Random question: was that picture taken in Rowlett by chance?
Quote from: thecarnut on April 06, 2008, 07:13:05 PM
No, CJ is the dumb one. New cars are nice but when you can have a much nicer pre owned one with a warranty, that's the obvious choice.
You can ALWAYS have a nicer pre-owned car with a warranty for the same price as a new car. I agree with Raza, all three of you are being stupid.
Quote from: TBR on April 06, 2008, 07:46:30 PM
Random question: was that picture taken in Rowlett by chance?
In Richardson right near Sachse.
Quote from: CJ on April 06, 2008, 07:54:40 PM
In Richardson right near Sachse.
I suppose most Dallas McMansion developments look pretty much the same, that looks identical to the neighborhood my aunt and uncle live in (the width of the street, position of the mailbox/sidewalks, the size of the yards, alley and street driveways, and the style of house).
Quote from: TBR on April 06, 2008, 07:59:06 PM
I suppose most Dallas McMansion developments look pretty much the same, that looks identical to the neighborhood my aunt and uncle live in (the width of the street, position of the mailbox/sidewalks, the size of the yards, alley and street driveways, and the style of house).
Very true. I hate how everything is exactly the same.
New option. What if we buy the A4 off the lease? I mean, it's an awesome car, she loves it, and I like it more than the TSX. It's like $24,000, but my Dad's open to it. However, we would have to wait until December. If I were her, I would take our A4 over a TSX in a second.
depends on when she needs the car.
Do you have to pay sales tax when you buy the car off your lease? It would be stupid to have to pay sales tax twice on the same item.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 07, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
depends on when she needs the car.
Do you have to pay sales tax when you buy the car off your lease? It would be stupid to have to pay sales tax twice on the same item.
I have no idea. I'll look at the lease papers when I can, and I'll see. She is using the Subaru now, but she would like a new car as soon as possible.
Get her a Camry..
Get the TSX.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 07, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
Get the TSX.
See, as of now, the only things in favor of the TSX would be price, and timing. We couldn't buy off the A4 until December, and we would have to pay another $4-5k over the TSX.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 07, 2008, 08:02:42 PM
See, as of now, the only things in favor of the TSX would be price, and timing. We couldn't buy off the A4 until December, and we would have to pay another $4-5k over the TSX.
And the TSX looks nicer!
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 07, 2008, 08:02:42 PM
See, as of now, the only things in favor of the TSX would be price, and timing. We couldn't buy off the A4 until December, and we would have to pay another $4-5k over the TSX.
the "only" things?
- you said yourself that she wants a new car ASAP
- it's all relative, but to me, $4k is a lot of money
Objectively speaking, that's reason enough to get the TSX. Unless, of course, as I mentioned, you won't have to pay sales tax when you buy the Audi off the lease.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 07, 2008, 08:05:22 PM
And the TSX looks nicer!
Nein. Deutschland ?ber alles.
Quote from: Vinsanity on April 07, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
the "only" things?
- you said yourself that she wants a new car ASAP
- it's all relative, but to me, $4k is a lot of money
Objectively speaking, that's reason enough to get the TSX. Unless, of course, as I mentioned, you won't have to pay sales tax when you buy the Audi off the lease.
I guess. I ran the idea across my Dad, but he had the same issue with timing.
http://www.acuraofmanhattan.com/specials/preowned/dsp_viewcar.cfm?vin=JH4CL96896C025846
My Dad's headed to this dealer tomorrow to check out the car, and possibly buy it.
e13, if you're around, care to explain the whole TL key fob thing to me? That could make a nice gift later on.
New variable.
There's a brand new leftover 2007 Mazda6s V6 sport going for $18.9k. There's also an '07 Accord V6 with 6,845 miles on it for $21k, and another TSX with like 19k miles on it for $18.5k. So far, here's the general consensus between my Dad, sister and I.
1. TSX
2. 6
3. Accord.
She liked the way the TSX drove and handled and whatnot over the Accord, and it would probably be more frugal too. We haven't driven a 6 (anyone know how it compares to the TSX?), but we hear good things, and it's a fantastic deal. She likes it a lot. Thoughts?
http://fitzmall.com/fitzway/carfind/RESULTSB.ASP?V_XREFID=FMMZM59465:2007-06-23T08:12:32.867
$500 less, if you're willing to get it from Annapolis, Maryland.
Quote from: ifcar on April 24, 2008, 04:52:15 PM
http://fitzmall.com/fitzway/carfind/RESULTSB.ASP?V_XREFID=FMMZM59465:2007-06-23T08:12:32.867
$500 less, if you're willing to get it from Annapolis, Maryland.
No way my Dad would drive that far for $500.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 24, 2008, 04:55:40 PM
No way my Dad would drive that far for $500.
Someone could take the train.
But also, your local dealer doesn't have to know what you are and aren't willing to do to save $500. He's not going to want a 2007 6 sitting around on his lot.
Quote from: ifcar on April 24, 2008, 04:56:50 PM
Someone could take the train.
But also, your local dealer doesn't have to know what you are and aren't willing to do to save $500. He's not going to want a 2007 6 sitting around on his lot.
That's very true. Thanks a lot for the ad, BTW. I think you bring up a good point there. They might knock even more than $500 off the price, who knows...
6
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 24, 2008, 05:04:47 PM
6
Ford troll. :rolleyes:
No, I'm kidding. That 6 looks more and more appealing. I like it a lot.
Wow. It's been 2 months, and no go.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=ascending&sortfield=DISTANCE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_1_%7cD-_7070_%7cN-N%7cR-30%7cI-1%7cP-DISTANCE+ascending%2cPRICE+descending%7cQ-ascending%7cZ-11507&aff=national&paId=279315392&recnum=3&leadExists=true
This car is from the same dealer we bought our TL from, and it's in the color my sister wanted.
Did you run a Carfax on it?
It's in the ad.
White cars suck, but if the car is what she wants, good luck.
My car's white. Your car's white.
Quote from: CJ on June 30, 2008, 11:07:43 PM
My car's white. Your car's white.
What's your point?
Quote from: the Teuton on June 30, 2008, 11:10:36 PM
What's your point?
So you think your car sucks? :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 30, 2008, 11:11:34 PM
So you think your car sucks? :lol:
I think the color sucks. I'd much rather have my car painted blue, thank you very much.
******UPDATE******
We bought a white 2006 TSX today for $23,500 out the door. It's got 14,839 miles on it, and it's in perfect shape.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0095.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0097.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0102.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0098.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0099.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0101.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0102.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0100.jpg)
Sorry for the shitty pics, they're cellphone shots. We take delivery Saturday.
Seems expensive for a 2 year old car that was less than 30 grand or so when it was new.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=13794.msg842621#msg842621 date=1215027604
Seems expensive for a 2 year old car that was less than 30 grand or so when it was new.
The MSRP was like $30k and change.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2008, 01:45:23 PM
The MSRP was like $30k and change.
Well, then. If it's 30 grand in 2006, with 14K miles (I didn't see that at first), and you're getting it at 22% depreciation. That's not bad, considering the miles. I don't know what I was thinking. I guess I always thought the TSX was overpriced anyway.
I made a new resolution. I won't buy a car that hasn't depreciated by at least 50%. Let some other sucker lose their money.
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 02, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
I made a new resolution. I won't buy a car that hasn't depreciated by at least 50%. Let some other sucker lose their money.
Hell yeah!
Congrats on the new-ish car!
I actually really like the TSX in white. (Although, I think it looks best in black though)
Nice car. I'm not fond of the wood interior, but whatever.
That's a lovely car. Congrats.
But for an Indian, your dad sucks at negotiating.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2008, 01:45:23 PM
The MSRP was like $30k and change.
I thought the MSRP of TSXs were about 27.5k with only a single $2k option of Nav
Quote from: Danish on July 02, 2008, 05:25:00 PM
I thought the MSRP of TSXs were about 27.5k with only a single $2k option of Nav
Yeah, pretty much.
The car started at $27,890. And after reading the KBB value, I hate to say it, but I think you guys overpaid a bit.
Quote from: the Teuton on July 02, 2008, 05:44:37 PM
Yeah, pretty much.
The car started at $27,890. And after reading the KBB value, I hate to say it, but I think you guys overpaid a bit.
Values can vary significantly with region. Call_911 is in Long Island, which isn't exactly the cheapest area to buy a car. I ran KBB, plugging in the zip code for Roslyn, NY (relatively near him), and came out with a dealer value of $25.2K, without navigation.
Ro said they got it for $23.5K out the door. I'm assuming this means that tax, title, miscellaneous fees are included in that price. If I'm correct, I'd say they made out pretty well. Even if that doesn't include tax, they are almost 2Gs below the KBB dealer number. Okay, so KBB values can be a bit inflated, but NADA puts the car at $23.4K (again, Roslyn, NY zip). I've found NADA to be pretty accurate in the Northeast - they made out pretty well.
And yes, Honda products have stupidly high resale value. Current gas prices certainly have not hurt this, either.
Quote from: The Pirate on July 02, 2008, 05:59:30 PM
Values can vary significantly with region. Call_911 is in Long Island, which isn't exactly the cheapest area to buy a car. I ran KBB, plugging in the zip code for Roslyn, NY (relatively near him), and came out with a dealer value of $25.2K, without navigation.
Ro said they got it for $23.5K out the door. I'm assuming this means that tax, title, miscellaneous fees are included in that price. If I'm correct, I'd say they made out pretty well. Even if that doesn't include tax, they are almost 2Gs below the KBB dealer number. Okay, so KBB values can be a bit inflated, but NADA puts the car at $23.4K (again, Roslyn, NY zip). I've found NADA to be pretty accurate in the Northeast - they made out pretty well.
And yes, Honda products have stupidly high resale value. Current gas prices certainly have not hurt this, either.
I priced out the car in Ohio (where we have no inspections) at $21,000. That's a lot of wiggle room.
Cool beans. That interior pic makes me miss the TL. As much as I can convince myself that I don't mind the tribute to "2001: A Space Odyssey" monolith of a center stack in my car, the Acura interiors are brilliant in comparison.
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 02, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
I made a new resolution. I won't buy a car that hasn't depreciated by at least 50%. Let some other sucker lose their money.
Amen brotha :ohyeah: That's one of the reasons I never really considered a TSX. Used ones are priced too closely to the TL. And although my car may still be depreciating rather quickly, I take solace in reading the original window sticker: $40k + change. Yikes.
Quote from: The Pirate on July 02, 2008, 05:59:30 PM
Values can vary significantly with region. Call_911 is in Long Island, which isn't exactly the cheapest area to buy a car. I ran KBB, plugging in the zip code for Roslyn, NY (relatively near him), and came out with a dealer value of $25.2K, without navigation.
Ro said they got it for $23.5K out the door. I'm assuming this means that tax, title, miscellaneous fees are included in that price. If I'm correct, I'd say they made out pretty well. Even if that doesn't include tax, they are almost 2Gs below the KBB dealer number. Okay, so KBB values can be a bit inflated, but NADA puts the car at $23.4K (again, Roslyn, NY zip). I've found NADA to be pretty accurate in the Northeast - they made out pretty well.
And yes, Honda products have stupidly high resale value. Current gas prices certainly have not hurt this, either.
Yeah, taxes were included. We bought the car at Rallye Acura, which is in Roslyn. Compared to other TSX's in the area, we got a pretty good deal.
Quote from: the Teuton on July 02, 2008, 04:36:26 PM
That's a lovely car. Congrats.
But for an Indian, your dad sucks at negotiating.
It's come to the point in his life where he doesn't even give a shit anymore.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2008, 08:34:17 PM
It's come to the point in his life where he doesn't even give a shit anymore.
Even Donald Trump still picks pennies up from the sidewalk.
Quote from: the Teuton on July 02, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
Even Donald Trump still picks pennies up from the sidewalk.
That's wonderful, however, I don't think my Dad needs a financial consultant. He knows what he's doing a lot better than a 20 year old does. ;)
Quote from: the Teuton on July 02, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
Even Donald Trump still picks pennies up from the sidewalk.
That's because he hates to see litter on
his sidewalks.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2008, 09:12:09 PM
That's wonderful, however, I don't think my Dad needs a financial consultant. He knows what he's doing a lot better than a 20 year old does. ;)
*Sigh*
It's merely an observation. Take of it what you will.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 02, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
That's because he hates to see litter on his sidewalks.
Donald Trump will not shake your hand because it's too dirty for him to touch (he's a germaphobe), but he will pick up such "litter."
Quote from: the Teuton on July 02, 2008, 08:38:09 PM
Even Donald Trump still picks pennies up from the sidewalk.
Are you kidding, where did he say that? I call that bs. Hell, even if he did say that somewhere I still will think he's a huge liar.
Wow Adam, I had no idea used cars would be (relatively) expensive out there in NY. I was always under the impression that the weather did a number to cars, lowering their resale value.
If it was my money and I was looking for a 2 year old Honda, I'd get an Accord V6 with Leather and Nav, but hey, its your money and you guys seem happy with - congrats.
Quote from: Danish on July 02, 2008, 10:25:57 PM
Wow Adam, I had no idea used cars would be (relatively) expensive out there in NY. I was always under the impression that the weather did a number to cars, lowering their resale value.
If it was my money and I was looking for a 2 year old Honda, I'd get an Accord V6 with Leather and Nav, but hey, its your money and you guys seem happy with - congrats.
Simple supply and demand.
Quote from: Danish on July 02, 2008, 10:25:57 PM
Wow Adam, I had no idea used cars would be (relatively) expensive out there in NY. I was always under the impression that the weather did a number to cars, lowering their resale value.
If it was my money and I was looking for a 2 year old Honda, I'd get an Accord V6 with Leather and Nav, but hey, its your money and you guys seem happy with - congrats.
Well, not in all of NY, but LI. It's an expensive place.
My Dad thought the Accord V6 was too big, and too thirsty, and my sister liked the way the TSX looked over it, and they're the same price, so I guess this works out better.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 02, 2008, 10:32:51 PM
My Dad thought the Accord V6 was too big, and too thirsty, and my sister liked the way the TSX looked over it, and they're the same price, so I guess this works out better.
Yeah the Accord is def. bigger. The funny thing is though, you'd think it was way more thirsty but it actually gets almost the same mileage and doesn't drink premium
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0096.jpg)
One more pic that I never uploaded.
Nice Accord!
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 04, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
Nice Accord!
If only we could call it that here. In that case, the car would have probably been a lot cheaper.
We picked it up today, and I drove about 50 miles in it. I don't love it as much as the Audi, but I like it a LOT more than I thought I would. Sweet little car.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 05, 2008, 08:03:46 PM
We picked it up today, and I drove about 50 miles in it. I don't love it as much as the Audi, but I like it a LOT more than I thought I would. Sweet little car.
They're good fun and much lighter than most other cars in its bracket.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on July 05, 2008, 11:41:02 PM
They're good fun and much lighter than most other cars in its bracket.
Yeah, it's a lot of fun to drive. I wouldn't mind some more power, it didn't feel too stout.
Oh, and I hit VTAK several times yesterday. :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 06, 2008, 08:05:16 AM
Yeah, it's a lot of fun to drive. I wouldn't mind some more power, it didn't feel too stout.
Oh, and I hit VTAK several times yesterday. :lol:
VTEC + S2000 = WHEEE!!!!
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 05, 2008, 08:03:46 PM
We picked it up today, and I drove about 50 miles in it. I don't love it as much as the Audi, but I like it a LOT more than I thought I would. Sweet little car.
Congratulations, and good luck with the car, man. :rockon:
Here are some post-delivery pics, even though I know you guys have seen enough of the damn thing:
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0110-1.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0107-1.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0109-1.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0108-1.jpg)
Too bad it's autotragic, a manual would've been awesome.
Nice car though.
Looks good 911!
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 08, 2008, 11:55:22 PM
e13, if you're around, care to explain the whole TL key fob thing to me? That could make a nice gift later on.
Sorry I haven't been around for a while, been quite busy.
The TL key-fob mod is basically, making the 2007+TL's keyfob compatible with the TSX. the TL keyfob is a switchblade style keyfob, so it's kinda a neat toy..
firstly:
TL keyfob's uncut key is thicker than that of a TSX.. and it's VERY hard to find someone who can mill it down for you, and this is before getting it cut by a dealer. FLBUSA sells a pre-milled key. You can take that key to a dealer to have it cut and have the immobilizer programmed for your TSX (that's if they agree to do it at all) They would charge 1/2 - 1 hour of labour for it.
and if anyone is interested:
here is what our TSX is looking like right now:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3147/2620402386_7b89fd7171_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/2620399802_0792a5be4e_o.jpg)
Like i said before, at least you acknowledge it's a honda :lol:
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 06, 2008, 08:05:16 AM
Yeah, it's a lot of fun to drive. I wouldn't mind some more power, it didn't feel too stout.
Oh, and I hit VTAK several times yesterday. :lol:
Yeah, when I first started driving it I thought it felt pretty weak, but after awhile I definitely appreciate its power. It's fun when you can drive it at 8/10's with a little amount of power versus having to go at only 6/10's and having a lot.
In the end, it needs more torque, but after you get over that, it's a lot of fun and handles terrifically; especially for a FWDer.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on July 11, 2008, 01:31:38 PM
Yeah, when I first started driving it I thought it felt pretty weak, but after awhile I definitely appreciate its power. It's fun when you can drive it at 8/10's with a little amount of power versus having to go at only 6/10's and having a lot.
In the end, it needs more torque, but after you get over that, it's a lot of fun and handles terrifically; especially for a FWDer.
Exactly.
That said, I still prefer the Audi to it.
Quote from: eThirteen on July 08, 2008, 05:16:16 PM
and if anyone is interested:
here is what our TSX is looking like right now:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3147/2620402386_7b89fd7171_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/2620399802_0792a5be4e_o.jpg)
Did someone steal your grille?
Just our goddamned luck. It got hit when it was parked, and the bumper is pretty nasty. Luckily we have the offender's insurance info, and it's going back to the dealer to be fixed soon.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0112.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0113.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/ro51092/PIC-0114.jpg)
It'll get fixed in the next 2 weeks. :rage:
Bummer.
That really doesn't that bad - the hood is fine, headlight assembly is fine, most of the bumper is fine - just one half of the bumper is torn and the fender needs some repair and a paint job
You might end up getting an entire new front bumper out of it
Quote from: Danish on July 19, 2008, 03:41:37 PM
That really doesn't that bad - the hood is fine, headlight assembly is fine, most of the bumper is fine - just one half of the bumper is torn and the fender needs some repair and a paint job
You might end up getting an entire new front bumper out of it
That's for sure. That, and they're going to touch up the left front quarter panel. It really isn't too bad, but my sister's been pretty depressed about it. She doesn't even want to keep the car anymore, because she's too scared of it getting scratched or dented or something. She just wants my Dad to take it off her hands. Then again, I might need a car in a little while. :rastaman:
And I dont want this to replace the Audi. As much as I like it, I like the Audi a lot more.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 19, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
That's for sure. That, and they're going to touch up the left front quarter panel. It really isn't too bad, but my sister's been pretty depressed about it. She doesn't even want to keep the car anymore, because she's too scared of it getting scratched or dented or something. She just wants my Dad to take it off her hands.
She'll get over it once the shock wears off
Quote from: Danish on July 19, 2008, 05:48:46 PM
She'll get over it once the shock wears off
Yeah, you're probably right. It'll be back to normal soon, and she's not going to park the car on the street anymore. It's going to reside in a garage now, which is going to cost an arm and a leg. She lives in Philly.