Help me pick out this hypothetical car that I may or may not buy now or some point in the future.
Conditions:
-Cheap
-New
-Fun
-Manual
Thoughts
FocusST (turbo?)
Wrangler (expensive?)
Civic Si sedan (front runner)
GTi (expensive?)
Jetta (don't like)
Dart (turbo?)
MS3 (???)
Suggestions?
Fiesta ST
I've heard the new Civic Si is pretty lame compared to the old one. Fiesta and Focus should be nice, but I naturally gravitate to the smaller car. The Wrangler just seems like it'll be shit on road most of the time. GTI is always a good choice, and non GLI Jettas suck. Pretty much every other compact beats it up. MS3 is also good.
V6 Camaro? Mustang? Toyota RWD Twins?
I would say the Veloster Turbo, but most modern Hyundais aren't really fun to drive.
I have the same thoughts and go for a TDI Jetta Sportwagen, but you don't seem to like it.
BRZ?
I had a few new Civics as service loaners. Nice for what they are but lots of typical Honda road noise; I have to imagine the Si is even more so. The clear front runner IMO is the 4-door GTI w/6sp MT. The refinement is not to be underestimated - if you can pick up on such things you'll actually be shocked vs. others in the segment like the Civic or Impreza/WRX. Starting at $25k isn't materially more expensive than anything else on the list.
BRS!!!!!
Probably the GTI based on that list as the starting point.
Focus ST without MyFordTouch.
Focus ST or FR-S
Yeah it's been awhile since I've driven a GTi, I should test one. I'm not sold on VW's reliability though: it's a little more upfront and potentially a lot more down the line. Honda has the Si on lockdown and gives you a ton of content on the base model. Too bad its instrument panel looks so juvenile.
I like the NA + Honda stick.
No on the Fiesta ST.
I could see myself in a Genesis Coupe but not a Mustang or Camaro, maybe a Toyobaru but they don't give you a ton of content.
Has anyone driven the Focus ST?
All the comparos give it the nod over the GTI and MS3.
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 02:56:53 PM
Yeah it's been awhile since I've driven a GTi, I should test one. I'm not sold on VW's reliability though: it's a little more upfront and potentially a lot more down the line. Honda has the Si on lockdown and gives you a ton of content on the base model. Too bad its instrument panel looks so juvenile.
I like the NA + Honda stick.
No on the Fiesta ST.
I could see myself in a Genesis Coupe but not a Mustang or Camaro, maybe a Toyobaru but they don't give you a ton of content.
Has anyone driven the Focus ST?
If you're going to be in and out in 3-5 years with average mileage a GTI statistically speaking shouldn't be a lot of trouble; it's VW's best vehicle by a long shot. The only aspect I'd be leery of would be the DSG.
All would be manuals. That should have been a condition my bad.
Yeah, BRZ.
^Another one of THOSE answers.
:lol:
GTI. It actually was my preference over the WRX in terms if of driving experience, but I chose the Subaru for 4wd and longevity.
I prefer coupes but this would be my only car and I would like 4 doors. I'm not married to the idea of a pocket rocket either I could do anything from a pickup to an Accord to a Mini. It just needs to be a manual at that price point, preferably with some utility. If I did a coupe I would probably get the BRZ or Genesis.
For what this anecdote is worth, my GTI has done well. I abhor the nav system/radio, and I've had some pesky false alarms with TPMS lights and lights telling me I have bulbs out (I didn't know those existed), which I can't get rid of myself. Aside from that, it has been pretty good.
Not enough content in a BRZ? What features are you looking for that are missing?
I highly recommend you test drive one. I can't imagine getting anything else after a test drive. It's really that different than the genesis, mustang, camaro, Gti, and si.
Genesis
BRZ
MX-5
Quote from: MrH on February 24, 2013, 04:20:19 PM
Not enough content in a BRZ? What features are you looking for that are missing?
I highly recommend you test drive one. I can't imagine getting anything else after a test drive. It's really that different than the genesis, mustang, camaro, Gti, and si.
Like I said, 4 doors preferred, plus I'm driving it all over for work and think I might get tired of the BRZ suspension.
The Civic has a better stereo and sunroof.
Fiat 500 Abarf?
No to the 500. I have an Aveo, enough is enough.
Golf GTI, Focus ST and MazdaSpeed3 are all excellent choices. You can't go wrong with any of these. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 05:06:12 PM
Like I said, 4 doors preferred, plus I'm driving it all over for work and think I might get tired of the BRZ suspension.
The Civic has a better stereo and sunroof.
Suspension is firm but plenty comfortable for daily driving for me.
Just promise you'll test drive one? :lol:
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 05:10:07 PM
No to the 500. I have an Aveo, enough is enough.
Size too small?
If the FRS/BRZ was out when I got my car, no chance I'd have had a GTI. Definitely worth a drive.
Actually, the GTI has made my life easier than a BRZ would have on a lot of occasions (namely moving in and out of places, which I've done a LOT since I've started college). But if you're not going to be hauling a lot of shit in your car at least once a year, it's obviously a nonissue.
My mom, who is 5'0" and weighs like 100 lbs or something had a hard time fitting in the back seat of the FR-S. As a passenger, she absolutely hated it. She couldn't fathom why I liked it more than my car.
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
Quote from: 2o6 on February 24, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
Size too small?
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 03:36:23 PM
I prefer coupes but this would be my only car and I would like 4 doors.
Fiat 500 is a couple of doors short. The upcoming 500L looks like it could be a contender but are they going to make a performance oriented Abarth version? Sounds like Tave wants both practicality AND performance, which is where the Golf GTI, Focus ST and MazdaSpeed3 all score big.
Quote from: J86 on February 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
I bike locally, so I never need to put a bike in the back of my car. That's the extent of my activities that require sizable gear. My tennis racquet also fits in the back of my car. Being a hatchback, it can hold a LOT of shit with the back seats folded down.
Quote from: MrH on February 24, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
Suspension is firm but plenty comfortable for daily driving for me.
Just promise you'll test drive one? :lol:
You don't have to sell me, I'd love one. Just not what I need.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 24, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
Size too small?
More like 2 too small. I'd go even larger it just seems like the compacts are in my sweetspot as far as price/value. To be honest I'd love a truck, but they kill you on options.
Quote from: J86 on February 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
I took my Aveo skiing. :huh: Otherwise I borrow friends' trucks to move.
I guess I'm always towing/car-topping things.
Re pickups- how expensive can Nissan Frontiers be at this point?
Quote from: J86 on February 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
There's your problem right there. A small sedan is useless for carrying gear. You need a hatch.
Quote from: Madman on February 24, 2013, 06:53:32 PM
There's your problem right there. A small sedan is useless for carrying gear. You need a hatch.
which as soon as I have money I will resolve with a wagon. But this is Tave's thread, and he needs a pickup :lol:
Quote from: J86 on February 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
Trunk + hitch rack for bikes + roof rack for ski stuff.
I need a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon but I don't see that happening.
Quote from: J86 on February 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
I don't know. I guess I have space efficient hobbies? I take the BRZ on road trips to visit friends and cities and stuff. It carries all my gear for ultimate (which is really just a folding chair and my camelbak which doubles as a cleat bag). I can pick up groceries in it just fine.
Used a friend's Mazda3 to get stuff from Ikea. :huh:
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 07:01:27 PM
I need a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon but I don't see that happening.
Is just a regular 4-door out of your budget? My buddy has one of those- not my choice but he loves it
Quote from: J86 on February 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
I'm curious what you guys do with small cars. I regularly need to borrow suburbans, pickups, etc. from friends and I have a 4 door family sedan. Does no one have hobbies that involve gear? Or miscellaneous adventures that require them?
I drove just a Miata for like 13+ years. You'd be surprised what you can fit in a car when it's the only thing you've got.
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 02:56:53 PM
Yeah it's been awhile since I've driven a GTi, I should test one. I'm not sold on VW's reliability though: it's a little more upfront and potentially a lot more down the line. Honda has the Si on lockdown and gives you a ton of content on the base model. Too bad its instrument panel looks so juvenile.
I like the NA + Honda stick.
No on the Fiesta ST.
I could see myself in a Genesis Coupe but not a Mustang or Camaro, maybe a Toyobaru but they don't give you a ton of content.
Has anyone driven the Focus ST?
The new accord sport 6MT is just as fast as the Si (according to C&D), has that Honda stick, and looks really good and mature IMO. Maybe check it out, seems like a good fit for you
I'm not seeing a lot of love for the current Civic, even in Si trim. Were I you, I'd save a boatload and buy the previous generation Civic Si sedan. It'll last forever anyway, so let someone else take the depreciation hit.
The GTI is the best all around choice though. Definitely a different experience from the Si; I like both, but it's completely fine to like one and not the other.
Quote from: Raza on February 25, 2013, 11:23:35 AM
The GTI is the best all around choice though.
Not according to any of the comparos with the Focus ST.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 25, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Not according to any of the comparos with the Focus ST.
Yeah, but buying the Focus ST means you have to look at the Focus ST.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 25, 2013, 11:53:49 AM
Yeah, but buying the Focus ST means you have to look at the Focus ST.
It looks great ...just as long you don't look at the front.
Quote from: SVT666 on February 25, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Not according to any of the comparos with the Focus ST.
I disagree; I think most comparisons that I've read between the two have pretty much said that the GTI is the better all around car, though the Focus may be quicker or sharper.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 25, 2013, 11:53:49 AM
Yeah, but buying the Focus ST means you have to look at the Focus ST.
:clap: :lol:
My thoughts exactly.
I actually like the Accord suggestion, but I didn't bring it up because it's not really the same as the other cars Tave listed.
Nothing is off the table, don't hold back on my account.
I had been thinking about the Accord too, as it's more of a practical size and I like the chassis + 6spd + engine. Is it really as fast as the Si? I thought the Civic had it beat on content and performance, but if it's just the extra goodies, I'd consider the better car.
I don't know what y'all are talking about but the Focus is definitely a looker compared to the rest of these dogs.
Quote from: Tave on February 25, 2013, 03:19:26 PM
Nothing is off the table, don't hold back on my account.
I had been thinking about the Accord too, as it's more of a practical size and I like the chassis + 6spd + engine. Is it really as fast as the Si? I thought the Civic had it beat on content and performance, but if it's just the extra goodies, I'd consider the better car.
I guess it depends on how you define practical. The Accord is almost 16" longer than the Civic. Sure, it does come with more space, but are you getting anything out of the extra space most of the time?
The Civic also has slightly more power and weighs around 300 pounds less. The Accord may match it in a magazine 0-60 run, but you'll get more out of the Civic's engine and handling more of the time. I wouldn't look at the Accord unless you wanted a fun family sedan.
I don't mean to sound like I'm knocking the Accord here. I actually really like this new Accord. But as a single guy, the choice between the Civic Si and the Accord is an easy one to make.
What about the WRX? Since that's roughly in the range of those you're considering.
I'm now considering one for myself.
I don't need the AWD.
Yeah, I might consider it, the power is super tempting.
But see, that's the thing, I'm already stretching my budget just thinking about it.
I really wish one of you Hooligans could report to me on the ST. What good are y'all anyway? :lol:
Quote from: Raza on February 25, 2013, 03:26:42 PM
I guess it depends on how you define practical. The Accord is almost 16" longer than the Civic. Sure, it does come with more space, but are you getting anything out of the extra space most of the time?
The Civic also has slightly more power and weighs around 300 pounds less. The Accord may match it in a magazine 0-60 run, but you'll get more out of the Civic's engine and handling more of the time. I wouldn't look at the Accord unless you wanted a fun family sedan.
I don't mean to sound like I'm knocking the Accord here. I actually really like this new Accord. But as a single guy, the choice between the Civic Si and the Accord is an easy one to make.
The Si is very attractive because there are no major options besides nav. I can find a manual sedan w/o nav fairly easily. So it should be cheap, well-optioned, decent power.
I could get a manual Accord S for about the same price. I'd be stepping up in build and space but down in creature comforts.
I can go up to a WRX, MS3, GTI, or ST for more power or refinement.
What I really want is a Wrangler 4door, but I don't want to drive it for work, and I really want a coupe, but I don't want it for my only car.
The local Ford dealer has an ST. I've driven too many cars there though, so I probably shouldn't try to drive a car I won't be buying.
I tried to test drive an ST once. They wouldn't let anyone drive them unless they were dead certain on buying one. :facepalm:
Quote from: Tave on February 25, 2013, 03:19:26 PM
I had been thinking about the Accord too, as it's more of a practical size and I like the chassis + 6spd + engine. Is it really as fast as the Si? I thought the Civic had it beat on content and performance, but if it's just the extra goodies, I'd consider the better car.
CD has the Accord to 60 at 6.6 which is about as fast as the Si. I'd say content is a wash too unless you absolutely have to have a sunroof which the Accord S doesn't. It's down 10hp but up like 40 ft/lb so it kinda evens out. No LSD and won't be as agile, but certainly worth a look.
I think the only reasons I'd take the Civic Si are the LSD and lighter weight. Otherwise, the Accord looks nicer (more mature), is less of a target and probably has cheaper insurance.
I can't understand why you'd buy a Civic Si with the other choices on the market. I mean, the Honda shifter is nice and all, but it is definitely outclassed.
Accord, on the other hand, I completely get.
I wouldn't consider the two to be interchangeable. They probably have a totally different feel that isn't obvious from spec sheets.
If this is replacing the Aveo, then the logical choice is a Chevy Spark.
Tough choice between the Accord and the Mazda 6 once I start looking at midsizers. But still, I'd like something with more power if possible.
What are the Koreans doing? I don't know about anything but the Genesis.
Have you driven the new Mazda 6 yet? I am driving a 2012 now and don't think it's as fun a car as my 2003 is. It seems neutered somehow. Much bigger too.
Quote from: Laconian on February 25, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
I wouldn't consider the two to be interchangeable. They probably have a totally different feel that isn't obvious from spec sheets.
They aren't. I guess it's kind of a stupid point to make- all I'm saying is that relative to its competition, I can understand why someone would buy the Accord, but I can't understand why anyone would buy the Civic Si.
Quote from: J86 on February 25, 2013, 07:32:37 PM
Have you driven the new Mazda 6 yet? I am driving a 2012 now and don't think it's as fun a car as my 2003 is. It seems neutered somehow. Much bigger too.
Evidently they improved it.
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 25, 2013, 07:46:13 PM
They aren't. I guess it's kind of a stupid point to make- all I'm saying is that relative to its competition, I can understand why someone would buy the Accord, but I can't understand why anyone would buy the Civic Si.
Oh please, it's not that far off a GTI, and it's 4K cheaper similarly equipped.
I get the feeling that the Civic Si is becoming the Sentra SE-R of the current crop of sport compacts. Underpowered relative to the rest of the class, not much to look at, and in its latest iteration it apparently lost some of its sharpness.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 25, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
If this is replacing the Aveo, then the logical choice is a Chevy Spark.
Chevy Sonic.
Quote from: Laconian on February 25, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
I wouldn't consider the two to be interchangeable. They probably have a totally different feel that isn't obvious from spec sheets.
Yeah, I can't imagine that the 300 pounds and 15" don't change how the family sedan feels compared to the sport model on a different platform. If fun isn't the #1 priority, the Accord is a great choice. But the Civic Si (extrapolating from the old model here) is going to kill it as soon as you get behind the wheel. The choice between the two is very clear. Sure, the Accord may get to 60 in a similar time, but there's no way that it's as fun.
Still, like I said, I'd buy a late model of the last generation Civic Si, save some money, and be done with it.
Quote from: Tave on February 25, 2013, 08:07:51 PM
Oh please, it's not that far off a GTI, and it's 4K cheaper similarly equipped.
I don't particularly care for the current Civic Si, but when I was buying in 2008, the Civic and my Jetta were equipped and priced basically the same, and my monthly payment came out to be almost $200 more on the Civic. That's why I went with the Jetta. I liked both enough that it just came down to money. They're very different to drive, yet very similar in a weird way.
If youre stretching your budget I dont get why you dismissed the Fiesta ST so quickly?
Quote from: Raza on February 26, 2013, 03:56:41 AM
I don't particularly care for the current Civic Si, but when I was buying in 2008, the Civic and my Jetta were equipped and priced basically the same, and my monthly payment came out to be almost $200 more on the Civic. That's why I went with the Jetta. I liked both enough that it just came down to money. They're very different to drive, yet very similar in a weird way.
This. This is why leasing is stupid.
Quote from: MrH on February 26, 2013, 10:17:11 AM
This. This is why leasing is stupid.
Got a car I loved for a price I could afford. :huh:
There are plenty of reasons leasing is stupid, but I don't think this is one of them.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 26, 2013, 10:12:17 AM
If youre stretching your budget I dont get why you dismissed the Fiesta ST so quickly?
I didn't dismiss it, it's at the front of the list and I was hoping one of y'all could give me some impressions of it.
Quote from: Raza on February 26, 2013, 03:53:52 AM
Yeah, I can't imagine that the 300 pounds and 15" don't change how the family sedan feels compared to the sport model on a different platform. If fun isn't the #1 priority, the Accord is a great choice. But the Civic Si (extrapolating from the old model here) is going to kill it as soon as you get behind the wheel. The choice between the two is very clear. Sure, the Accord may get to 60 in a similar time, but there's no way that it's as fun.
Still, like I said, I'd buy a late model of the last generation Civic Si, save some money, and be done with it.
I have two big gripes w the Si:
1) I'd prefer something a little more mature. I don't want to feel like Johnny Tran on my way to race wars every time I take my coworkers out to lunch.
2) I've spent a ton of time in an Integra GSR and Acura RSX and while I love those cars I wouldn't mind switching things up.
More minor gripe:
-I've put up with the Aveo for 8 years, I'd like to drive a "real car," and I'm worried the compacts might be a bit tinny.
No offense, the Aveo is a horrible standard to go by.
Quote from: Tave on February 26, 2013, 02:44:09 PM
I have two big gripes w the Si:
1) I'd prefer something a little more mature. I don't want to feel like Johnny Tran on my way to race wars every time I take my coworkers out to lunch.
2) I've spent a ton of time in an Integra GSR and Acura RSX and while I love those cars I wouldn't mind switching things up.
More minor gripe:
-I've put up with the Aveo for 8 years, I'd like to drive a "real car," and I'm worried the compacts might be a bit tinny.
They won't feel tinny, especially when compared to the Aveo. The GTI is most likely the most solid and well built here, but I went from a Mercedes and a Passat into a MkV Jetta and it never felt tinny.
Why new only? Why not consider used?
Quote from: 2o6 on February 26, 2013, 02:47:54 PM
No offense, the Aveo is a horrible standard to go by.
It's quite good compared to a Yaris.
I recommend a Veloster.
What about a Nissan Puke?
Quote from: thecarnut on February 26, 2013, 03:23:23 PM
What about a Nissan Puke?
You make is sound as appealing as....well, as it looks. What a horrific car, I hope the people who styled it are blinded Slumdog-style.
Quote from: thecarnut on February 26, 2013, 03:23:23 PM
What about a Nissan Puke?
Auto only in AWD guise. FWD guise it gets beaten out by everything else.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 26, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
It's quite good compared to a Yaris.
I recommend a Veloster.
Veloster is a terrible idea. Its boring as hell....
Quote from: Raza on February 26, 2013, 03:25:03 PM
You make is sound as appealing as....well, as it looks. What a horrific car, I hope the people who styled it are blinded Slumdog-style.
Unfortunately, the designers were apparently hired by Jeep.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 26, 2013, 02:47:54 PM
No offense, the Aveo is a horrible standard to go by.
Quote from: Raza on February 26, 2013, 02:48:07 PM
They won't feel tinny, especially when compared to the Aveo. The GTI is most likely the most solid and well built here, but I went from a Mercedes and a Passat into a MkV Jetta and it never felt tinny.
I know it's mostly a mental hurdle but it's there. I'm a big guy and driving a small car is wearing on me. And yeah the difference between the classes are small and vary make-to-make, but you do notice them if it's on your mind.
QuoteWhy new only? Why not consider used?
I might, it's a timing thing. I need the Aveo checked out to see how much it will cost to keep running for the next few years. I'm thinking new shocks+struts, tires/maybe wheels, couple seals/gaskets, coolant flush, minor trans work. If it's only a couple grand I'll hold onto it and save up for a new or used car, but if I need to cut my losses and finance, I'd feel more comfortable with a new car.
I have a better handle on used market anyway, just haven't been following the new stuff as much.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 26, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
It's quite good compared to a Yaris.
I recommend a Veloster.
The Veloster is another cool suggestion that I have a hard time picturing myself driving.
I've also been toying with the idea of purchasing a bike in cash. I can ride year round down here as long as I can stand the rain.
That's an awful idea on so many levels...but soooooo tempting.
Quote from: Tave on February 26, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
The Veloster is another cool suggestion that I have a hard time picturing myself driving.
I've also been toying with the idea of purchasing a bike in cash. I can ride year round down here as long as I can stand the rain.
A motorbike, I hope. A bike would be super fun and efficient, and is perfectly practical with a good set of gear and storage bags/boxes. You do have to be kind of a tough guy to ride one daily, though. It can suck if you're feeling sick and tired after work and you have to ride home in the cold rain. What kind of bike are you interested in?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 26, 2013, 04:26:36 PM
A motorbike, I hope. A bike would be super fun and efficient, and is perfectly practical with a good set of gear and storage bags/boxes. You do have to be kind of a tough guy to ride one daily, though. It can suck if you're feeling sick and tired after work and you have to ride home in the cold rain. What kind of bike are you interested in?
All of the bikes. Ninja 300, BMW F 700 GS + F 800 R, Ducati Streetfighter, Speed Triple, Tiger 800, Moto Guzzi V7, cruisers, whatever.
The Accord is a BIG car. However, I'd opt for the Accord Sport w/MT over the Civic Si in heartbeat.
(In order)
BRZ/FRS
BMW E30 318 (With S52/54 swap depending on how fast you want to go)
Genesis
Mustang V6
Camaro V6
Notice carspin, there is no GTI on the list. Questionable reliablity, hohum dynamics (oh wait...stability control kicked in, never mind testing that theory) and parts that fall off after 2 years mean you should steer clear.
Quote from: Char on February 26, 2013, 07:03:44 PM
(In order)
BRZ/FRS
BMW E30 318 (With S52/54 swap depending on how fast you want to go)
Genesis
Mustang V6
Camaro V6
Notice carspin, there is no GTI on the list. Questionable reliablity, hohum dynamics (oh wait...stability control kicked in, never mind testing that theory) and parts that fall off after 2 years mean you should steer clear.
So let me get this straight... Tave asks for a new car, and you tell him that not only is the GTI not reliable, but then you go an recommend a 25 year old car with a swapped engine as a daily driver? :wtf:
Holy shit. You
have to be trolling. No matter how cool a swapped E30 may be, that is one of the worst choices anyone could make looking for a new daily driver.
I recommend a new Mercury Villager: Nautica Edition.
Quote from: thecarnut on February 26, 2013, 07:24:20 PM
So let me get this straight... Tave asks for a new car, and you tell him that not only is the GTI not reliable, but then you go an recommend a 25 year old car with a swapped engine as a daily driver? :wtf:
Holy shit. You have to be trolling. No matter how cool a swapped E30 may be, that is one of the worst choices anyone could make looking for a new daily driver.
:rolleyes:
Cadillac Cimarron :ohyeah:
Quote from: thecarnut on February 26, 2013, 07:24:20 PM
So let me get this straight... Tave asks for a new car, and you tell him that not only is the GTI not reliable, but then you go an recommend a 25 year old car with a swapped engine as a daily driver? :wtf:
Holy shit. You have to be trolling. No matter how cool a swapped E30 may be, that is one of the worst choices anyone could make looking for a new daily driver.
No kidding.. E30 is incredibly overrated by "enthusiasts"
It's all good, he suggested plenty of other cars too. No 4-doors though, which is what I'm leaning towards.
I think I'm going to testdrive the Toyobaru if I can.
Quote from: NomisR on February 28, 2013, 10:44:17 AM
No kidding.. E30 is incredibly overrated by "enthusiasts"
I think it's a cool car but if I'm getting an olde BMW it's going to be a 2002.
Quote from: Tave on February 26, 2013, 04:05:21 PM
I know it's mostly a mental hurdle but it's there. I'm a big guy and driving a small car is wearing on me. And yeah the difference between the classes are small and vary make-to-make, but you do notice them if it's on your mind.
I might, it's a timing thing. I need the Aveo checked out to see how much it will cost to keep running for the next few years. I'm thinking new shocks+struts, tires/maybe wheels, couple seals/gaskets, coolant flush, minor trans work. If it's only a couple grand I'll hold onto it and save up for a new or used car, but if I need to cut my losses and finance, I'd feel more comfortable with a new car.
I have a better handle on used market anyway, just haven't been following the new stuff as much.
Understandable. I was going to go for a new car when I thought I wasn't going to find what I wanted used.
About the big guy/small car thing....you're already on a small car and you've had it for years, right? Compact and subcompact cars aren't like they were 10 years ago. My friend's MkIV Jetta, for example, was a solidly built car. My MkV was even more solid. I have little doubt the German choices will feel more substantial than the competition (which they generally are, and come with a higher curb weight), but that's not to say the others won't feel more substantial than the Aveo as well.
Quote from: thecarnut on February 28, 2013, 12:58:57 PM
I think it's a cool car but if I'm getting an olde BMW it's going to be a 2002.
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bmw/2002tii/1523443.html (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bmw/2002tii/1523443.html)
Quote from: NomisR on February 28, 2013, 10:44:17 AM
No kidding.. E30 is incredibly overrated by "enthusiasts"
I'm rolling my eyes at him because I threw that one in there for comedy. And no, the E30 isn't overrated, it's BMW's civic and better than the 2002 in every way.
Quote from: Raza on February 28, 2013, 01:06:24 PM
Understandable. I was going to go for a new car when I thought I wasn't going to find what I wanted used.
About the big guy/small car thing....you're already on a small car and you've had it for years, right? Compact and subcompact cars aren't like they were 10 years ago. My friend's MkIV Jetta, for example, was a solidly built car. My MkV was even more solid. I have little doubt the German choices will feel more substantial than the competition (which they generally are, and come with a higher curb weight), but that's not to say the others won't feel more substantial than the Aveo as well.
No it isn't - it's a shit box of astronomical proportions. I'll admit, German cars do feel "more substantial" in areas compared to Japanese cars, but generally speaking, the Japanese cars hold up better, and are better thought out and engineered. That solid sounding "thunk" of the doors closing means little when the rest of the car is falling apart.
Quote from: Char on February 28, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
No it isn't - it's a shit box of astronomical proportions. I'll admit, German cars do feel "more substantial" in areas compared to Japanese cars, but generally speaking, the Japanese cars hold up better, and are better thought out and engineered. That solid sounding "thunk" of the doors closing means little when the rest of the car is falling apart.
Give me one objective example of your stupid claim and I won't delete your account.
Quote from: Char on February 28, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
I'm rolling my eyes at him because I threw that one in there for comedy. And no, the E30 isn't overrated, it's BMW's civic and better than the 2002 in every way.
Most FWD cars from a decade later can match or beat it on the track. Civic, Neon, B15/B14 Sentra....
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 28, 2013, 07:18:09 PM
Give me one objective example of your stupid claim and I won't delete your account.
I'm getting real tired of your shit - If I'm wrong, it would be easy to disprove right? Be sure to post up CR comparisons of the Jetta's reliability or just head over to Wikipedia "The earlier models have a few quality control issues, as a number of owners reported windows falling into the doors, electrical problems, and emissions system defects. [67]" And have fun pricing out those timing belts jobs, the whole front end of the car needs to be disassembled.
Did you miss where I pointed out how VWs terribly designed FSI and TFSI motors (MKV and newer) have their own issues, including wearing cam lobs and carbon build up? What world do you live in where you never heard, seen, and don't believe this happens? VW has a bad reputation and for good reason.
Just because it doesn't agree with you narrative, doesn't make it untrue.
Quote from: 2o6 on March 01, 2013, 08:37:49 AM
Most FWD cars from a decade later can match or beat it on the track. Civic, Neon, B15/B14 Sentra....
Swing and miss.
Come back to this thread and own up to your ignorance.
Quote from: Char on March 03, 2013, 01:33:47 AM
Come back to this thread and own up to your ignorance.
Struggling for attention, are we?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 03, 2013, 01:38:55 AM
Struggling for attention, are we?
Not even. His silence says more than any words could - he was wrong, and he knows it.
Char is the only poster whose age I really care about. :lol:
I'm betting teenager, anyone else?
Being a teenager ain't that bad mang
As long as you embrace it, man :lol:
Quote from: Char on March 03, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
Not even. His silence says more than any words could - he was wrong, and he knows it.
Nobody bothers to argue with the idiot homeless guy who lives under the overpass either, does that mean he's right?
What's the point of winning on the internet anyway? Do you get a prize?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 03, 2013, 07:15:58 PM
What's the point of winning on the internet anyway? Do you get a prize?
yes, +100 internets. If you get 8 in a row, you get a 1Up.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 03, 2013, 08:04:10 PM
yes, +100 internets. If you get 8 in a row, you get a 1Up.
You just won a green mushroom
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Quote from: NomisR on March 04, 2013, 10:32:33 AM
You just won a green mushroom
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Children. :nutty:
Let's try to keep this thread on track. I only have so many erotic stories I can share to lighten the mood.
Have you driven a BRZ yet?
I always know it's gonna be a fun thread when Char shows up... :dance:
Quote from: Rupert on March 04, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
Have you driven a BRZ yet?
I always know it's gonna be a fun thread when Char shows up... :dance:
What? You mean suggesting a 30 year old car with an engine swap when the OP was asking about new cars was bad idea??? NO WAY!!
Quote from: Char on March 03, 2013, 01:33:47 AM
Come back to this thread and own up to your ignorance.
Who the fuck are you challenging?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 06, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
Who the fuck are you challenging?
:rolleyes: Not you, you're not even worth the effort. And if I were, what would you do about it?
Look at this fuckin' guy, strutin' around waitin' for a ban hammer.
:rolleyes:
More and more I think the BRZ might be the best option. I'd have to wait till I move out of here because my craggy dirt parking lot would be hell on the underbody, but that'd give me time to put some nice money down.
BRZ FTW
Quote from: Tave on March 29, 2013, 07:57:43 AM
More and more I think the BRZ might be the best option. I'd have to wait till I move out of here because my craggy dirt parking lot would be hell on the underbody, but that'd give me time to put some nice money down.
My car has one more payment left on it and on my hypothetical short list for next car in a year or two, the BRZ is at the top too (and the Accord Sport, of course :lol: )
Quote from: Tave on March 29, 2013, 07:57:43 AM
More and more I think the BRZ might be the best option. I'd have to wait till I move out of here because my craggy dirt parking lot would be hell on the underbody, but that'd give me time to put some nice money down.
Given your criteria, i agree. BRZ sounds great.
Quote from: Tave on March 29, 2013, 07:57:43 AM
More and more I think the BRZ might be the best option. I'd have to wait till I move out of here because my craggy dirt parking lot would be hell on the underbody, but that'd give me time to put some nice money down.
:clap:
Sounds like you still haven't driven one? If you're already leaning that way, guarantee that will seal the deal.
Shameless bump. No real news just fishing for additional suggestions.
My timeline is a little more clear but still indeterminate. It depends on 3 things:
1) How quickly I pay off my modest student loan. I've got $7500 left @ 6.8%. Given the rate I should just suck it up and knock it out within the year but it's such a pain in the ass. Maybe 2yrs is a little more realistic.
2) How much more value I can squeeze out of The Car from The Future. It needs new tires, shocks/struts, and some more minor suspension work and minor engine work. The catch is selling it immediately versus putting a little cash in it betting that I get good miles out.
3) How much I want a new car versus weekend trips out of town, which I often fly, although if I tighten down and postpone some of those I wouldn't mind driving them in the new ride. Between my intermittent sound system and rickety-crickets ride I'm not huge on doing them in The Car from The Future. It probably wouldn't hurt the cause to live more frugally in general, but trips are my biggest vice/wallet drain at the moment.
Blah-fuckity fuck-blah.
Check engine light started flashing this morning. Took it in, a bad wire was arcing with the ignition coil pack. New wiring + new coil pack + new plugs + cleaning the carbon buildup = me ~$900 poorer
"Oh by the way, you need new tires." Sigh. Yeah I know, add it ($400) to the bill
"Oh and your shocks/struts are shot." Sigh. Yeah I know, add it ($700) to the bill
Guess I'll be hanging onto The Car From the Future for the time being.
Silver lining - I knew exactly what that little fucker needed before they told me. So I leave the torture chamber with my man card slightly intact, if not my wallet.
Quote from: Tave on February 24, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
Help me pick out this hypothetical car that I may or may not buy now or some point in the future.
Conditions:
-Cheap
-New
-Fun
-Manual
Mazda 6 I sport
Thread over.
;)
Quote from: MiataJohn on June 22, 2013, 11:49:26 PM
Mazda 6 I sport
Thread over.
;)
That's near the top of my list, and my boss can get me a great deal on any Mazda the local dealer has in stock.
Update:
I think it's about time. Test drove the Jetta TSI and TDI yesterday, it's a very attractive package. If they offer me the 0% financing special VW is running on a lot of 2014 models I might be in one by the end of the week.
The call on the TDI is a tough one. It's a fun engine and that six speed is a blast, but is it worth the $2500 premium + the loss in power + the fewer creature features? What is the long-term reliability and design life on these new diesels? Is it something that I can legitimately expect to put 200,000-300,000 miles on?
I think with proper maimtenance any new engine should last that long. Is the Mazda 6 out of the picture? I think it's a much better choice than the Jetta.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 17, 2014, 07:29:44 AM
I think with proper maimtenance any new engine should last that long. Is the Mazda 6 out of the picture? I think it's a much better choice than the Jetta.
No it's not. I plan on driving one and I suspect I'll like the driving dynamics more than the Jetta. The VW comes better equipped, so we'll see what the Mazda's interior space and design does for me. The local dealers didn't have any manual Touring models in stock last I checked, either. VW was pretty good in that regard, although they could do with a few more Sportwagon and Passat sticks.
I'd get a GTI over both. Not a fan of the current jetta at all
GTI is nicer for sure but its price reflects that.
Get an FRS
Really hoping to stay away from a cloth interior.
Aren't the Jetta and Mazda 6 in different segments? The Mazda 3 seems like the direct competitor to the Jetta to me. GTI is very nice, it's now built here so it's more affordable than it used to be.
As always, depends on your needs. As a single car either the 6 or the GTI are great choices. Jetta is good as well (I'd get the TSI one) only if it's significantly less dear than the other two IMO.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 17, 2014, 09:49:19 AM
Aren't the Jetta and Mazda 6 in different segments? The Mazda 3 seems like the direct competitor to the Jetta to me. GTI is very nice, it's now built here so it's more affordable than it used to be.
As always, depends on your needs. As a single car either the 6 or the GTI are great choices. Jetta is good as well (I'd get the TSI one) only if it's significantly less dear than the other two IMO.
Jetta sort of sits between segments. In terms of size, it's on the large end of the segment (by EPA criteria, it's technically midsize). In terms of price, the base models compete pretty well with the Mazda3, but step into a TDI or GLI and the price is in Mazda6 territory (or fully loaded, top of the line Mazda3).
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 17, 2014, 09:49:19 AM
Aren't the Jetta and Mazda 6 in different segments? The Mazda 3 seems like the direct competitor to the Jetta to me. GTI is very nice, it's now built here so it's more affordable than it used to be.
As always, depends on your needs. As a single car either the 6 or the GTI are great choices. Jetta is good as well (I'd get the TSI one) only if it's significantly less dear than the other two IMO.
The 2.5L Skyactiv + manual is the combo that appeals to me, and you can't get that in the Mazda 3 here.
The Jetta seems to have moved up in size and offers a lot of interior room, although I don't know how big the 6 is going to feel and might take a look at the Passat as well. Maybe I'll take a look at the 3 as well, but I have a feeling the models I'll want will be more expensive than the 6 and Jetta, while still feeling like a small car, which is something I want to get away from.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2014, 10:30:32 AM
Jetta sort of sits between segments. In terms of size, it's on the large end of the segment (by EPA criteria, it's technically midsize). In terms of price, the base models compete pretty well with the Mazda3, but step into a TDI or GLI and the price is in Mazda6 territory (or fully loaded, top of the line Mazda3).
Mazda 3 gets pretty spendy pretty fast. To get the 2.5L you have to spend more than you would on a well-optioned Mazda 6 and there's no manual. A well-optioned Mazda 3 w/o the 2.5L is still in Mazda6 Touring territory.
*For the Hatch, the sedan is a little better
Forget the diesel. Stretch to get the GTI.
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2014, 11:06:14 AM
Mazda 3 gets pretty spendy pretty fast. To get the 2.5L you have to spend more than you would on a well-optioned Mazda 6 and there's no manual. A well-optioned Mazda 3 w/o the 2.5L is still in Mazda6 Touring territory.
*For the Hatch, the sedan is a little better
Did you try the 2.0L? It's not like it's a little hamster pulling the car around
Quote from: 2o6 on August 17, 2014, 11:24:58 AM
Did you try the 2.0L? It's not like it's a little hamster pulling the car around
Really? A 20 year old design...
Maybe it's like a squirrel or a medium-sized rat.
GTI
Quote from: 2o6 on August 17, 2014, 11:24:58 AM
Did you try the 2.0L? It's not like it's a little hamster pulling the car around
Nah, I don't like the thought of spending all this money and ending up in a small car with a lackluster engine. I need some refinement and either some power to play with and/or some room.
It keeps being reported that the 2015 3 will have a manual 2.5-liter version, due in a couple of months. Still rumors, though, not official word from Mazda.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 17, 2014, 11:56:32 AM
Really? A 20 year old design...
Maybe it's like a squirrel or a medium-sized rat.
He means the Mazda3 2.0L
So I found a fully loaded TDI for the same price as the mid-level I got a quote on, just a couple towns over. I about went chasing after that to see if I could make it happen this afternoon, but decided to clean out the Aveo and mull things over.
Why don't you get a leftover or used Golf TDI?
The Jetta is one of those cars I can't really come up with a good reason for purchasing. Obviously I'm missing something huge considering how popular the things are.
Pretty sure I posted a few reviews about how th TDI, like all VWs, is a shit engine. I can't understand WHY someone would look at a Jetta when every other car in the market is a better option. Is it the "near luxury feel?" I assure you, give it 2 years when the displays fade and the interior trim starts to come apart, and you'll understand why they can sell them for so cheap.
Pick something else.
There it is. I was waiting for this.
I would wait for the 2.5 liter to get the 6-speed for the Mazda3. That's a pretty compelling car.
The New TDI engine, with a manual, is a lot of fun. It won't win any stop light races but I have never had any trouble whatsoever merging onto a fast moving highway or overtaking a car on a two lane oncoming traffic road. The turbo gives the car plenty of oomph. The TDI engine is also well known to easily surpass 200 thousand miles. That's one of the reasons they fetch a high price on the used car market. Consider a TDI beetle. Because of its high roofline you'll never feel cramped and it's got infinitely more style than the Jetta. You'll get around 37 mpg on a slightly higher cost of diesel with a 500 mile range. It won't drive as nice as a GTI though. A Jetta TDI manual is a fine choice. It doesn't feel slow with the manual transmission and turbo. Trust me. It's a great engine.
Quote from: veeman on August 17, 2014, 01:58:57 PM
The New TDI engine, with a manual, is a lot of fun. It won't win any stop light races but I have never had any trouble whatsoever merging onto a fast moving highway or overtaking a car on a two lane oncoming traffic road. The turbo gives the car plenty of oomph. The TDI engine is also well known to easily surpass 200 thousand miles. That's one of the reasons they fetch a high price on the used car market. Consider a TDI beetle. Because of its high roofline you'll never feel cramped and it's got infinitely more style than the Jetta. You'll get around 37 mpg on a slightly higher cost of diesel with a 500 mile range. It won't drive as nice as a GTI though. A Jetta TDI manual is a fine choice. It doesn't feel slow with the manual transmission and turbo. Trust me. It's a great engine.
All the torque in the world is meaningless when the car is as fast as a Honda civic. Get over yourself. And it's not a great engine, it's a problem prone engine that's pretty unremarkable in every way.
The VW TDI engine has great long term reliability. Much more than most gas engines. Hate VW. Whatever. Don't talk like you're an idiot though. Oh, never mind...
I'd interject that retail diesel engines (TDI or w/e) don't necessarily last longer than gasoline engines. Big rig engines can go 500,000+ miles easily but they're designed that way - just take a gander at the beefiness of the rings, bearings and engine block.
Whelp I said fuck it and took the plunge. At the dealer now and just signed the papers, updates to follow...
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2014, 04:29:15 PM
Whelp I said fuck it and took the plunge. At the dealer now and just signed the papers, updates to follow...
You're making the correct choice. We love our Jetta SW TDI.
So how many A-platform VW owners do we now have? I can think of you, me, Sporty, that guy with the Beetle, and I think I'm missing someone...
I was fucking around with a Golf TDI a few months back for like 2 hours. That thing was a lot of fun- economical and was reasonably quick. It was pricey, but I couldn't fault it independent of price. Congratulations and best of luck with it.
Congrats! I think the first service is at 10,000 miles and it's covered by VW.
Great choice.
Quote from: Char on August 17, 2014, 01:21:40 PM
Pretty sure I posted a few reviews about how th TDI, like all VWs, is a shit engine. I can't understand WHY someone would look at a Jetta when every other car in the market is a better option. Is it the "near luxury feel?" I assure you, give it 2 years when the displays fade and the interior trim starts to come apart, and you'll understand why they can sell them for so cheap.
Pick something else.
8 yrs after its build wifey's interior is holding up fine. Way way way better than my Z and Zs the same age, which cost 2x as much new. Stop making shit up. Every time you talk about VWs you make sure to remind everyone how little you know about them.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 17, 2014, 04:22:12 PM
I'd interject that retail diesel engines (TDI or w/e) don't necessarily last longer than gasoline engines. Big rig engines can go 500,000+ miles easily but they're designed that way - just take a gander at the beefiness of the rings, bearings and engine block.
Whens the last time u took a gander at any engine internals first hand lol.
Congrats Tave. Didnt see if you said it but did you get a wagon?
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2014, 04:29:15 PM
Whelp I said fuck it and took the plunge. At the dealer now and just signed the papers, updates to follow...
Congrats! Enjoy. Post pics.
Your car was made 100km from where I live.
Quote from: veeman on August 17, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
The VW TDI engine has great long term reliability. Much more than most gas engines. Hate VW. Whatever. Don't talk like you're an idiot though. Oh, never mind...
Says who? Last I heard, hey have plenty of their own problems. And what reliable gasoline engines are we comparing it to?
Oh wait, you're an idiot and don't know what your talking about. Typical on these forums.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2014, 05:50:46 PM
8 yrs after its build wifey's interior is holding up fine. Way way way better than my Z and Zs the same age, which cost 2x as much new. Stop making shit up. Every time you talk about VWs you make sure to remind everyone how little you know about them.
Not only do I know more about your shitwagon than you, I know more about your Z.
Don't challenge me on what I know, last I recall, you couldn't even change the brakes on your Z - you were wrong about "headers" on a 287hp model, and you were wrong about carbon buildup on the 2.0t models, wrong about the Jetta reliability.
It's a shit car made for clueless idiots who have more money than sense.
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2014, 04:29:15 PM
Whelp I said fuck it and took the plunge. At the dealer now and just signed the papers, updates to follow...
Excellent choice. Brother-in-law put over 500,000 kms on his 2001 TDi, and he's bought nothing but VWs since. His current car is a 2012 Jetta TDi wagon. He also gets well over 1000 kms range per tank.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Excellent choice. Brother-in-law put over 500,000 kms on his 2001 TDi, and he's bought nothing but VWs since. His current car is a 2012 Jetta TDi wagon. He also gets well over 1000 kms range per tank.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Char on August 17, 2014, 06:17:54 PM
Not only do I know more about your shitwagon than you, I know more about your Z.
Don't challenge me on what I know, last I recall, you couldn't even change the brakes on your Z - you were wrong about "headers" on a 287hp model, and you were wrong about carbon buildup on the 2.0t models, wrong about the Jetta reliability.
It's a shit car made for clueless idiots who have more money than sense.
Who's in favor of getting this shithead out of here? It's not funny anymore
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 17, 2014, 06:30:24 PM
Who's in favor of getting this shithead out of here? It's not funny anymore
Whaaa, Char doesn't approve of my car, Ban him!!
lol why do you even post here if we're all VW loving idiots.
2014 Jetta 6spd manual TDI w/ premium package
At the dealer:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280x200q90/911/W6PfTq.jpg)
Back in town:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280x200q90/905/2QaJ9D.jpg)
Thanks guise.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2014, 05:51:48 PM
Congrats Tave. Didnt see if you said it but did you get a wagon?
I wish. It was a little on the spendy side. Also, my friend bought a TDI Sportwagon this year, which is what got me interested in the Jetta after their late-model disaster, and to be honest I would have felt like a doofus driving around in the exact same car as him.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 17, 2014, 05:57:58 PM
Your car was made 100km from where I live.
:rockon:
Averaging 42.5 mpg over the first 120 miles back from the stealership, about 50 miles highway and the remaining backroads and city. It's got some good grunt to it even short shifting, so it'll be interesting what happens to the mileage when I pass the break-in and can wring her out.
I guess my target for The Fast Lane fell astray, mods feel free to move it to wherever you see fit, or leave it.
those pics suck, I call BS
On the real, looks great. Does this have the black and white 90's looking radio, or the one of the more modern looking HUs?
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 17, 2014, 08:18:36 PM
those pics suck, I call BS
Haha, yeah Imageshack is being difficult, I think it switched to a pay-system awhile back and I never upgraded.
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 17, 2014, 08:19:29 PM
On the real, looks great. Does this have the black and white 90's looking radio, or the one of the more modern looking HUs?
Edit: see below
Congrats! The two-tone is a great look for that interior, emphasizing the clean simple design without being overwhelmingly blah like a single gray or black threatens to be.
Putting her to bed
Hey Tave, congratulations! Do you have any smaller pictures than the ones you posted?
:lol:
Haha, sorry, my brain is mush right now, they work better as attachments
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2014, 09:01:50 PM
Haha, sorry, my brain is mush right now, they work better as attachments
Not bad, not bad. Those wheels look kind of small though. What size are they?
16", you can get 17" alloys on the TDI but have to purchase the navi package. Mine has pretty much everything but navi, the 17" wheels, and pushbutton start. Oh and I think navi also gives you a few more power switches on the seats.
The 17" rims available on the TDI are the same ones you get when you purchase the TSI SEL-trim level. I think mine are more attractive. I've always liked that wide matte twisted 5-spoke, especially VW's they looks great. I think it's sized just right for the car too, don't plan on touching them.
The dealer had a Passat on some 19s from the Toureg that was really menacing.
No push button start? Junk.
Nice choice.
Why is this in the fast lane?
Congrats Tave! Looks really clean.
Quote from: Lebowski on August 18, 2014, 07:44:29 AM
Nice choice.
Why is this in the fast lane?
I was originally considering the BRZ, Si, WRX, etc...
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2014, 08:15:51 PM
I guess my target for The Fast Lane fell astray, mods feel free to move it to wherever you see fit, or leave it.
It's okay I put the Bug thread in the fast lane and it probably has 90 HP :lol:
I didn't see that post ... I was just ball busting anyway. Nice choice.
Haha, yeah I figured, thanks again guys.
I did have a chance to wring-out the engine on my test drive Saturday (still babying the one I purchased), and it really has some snarl when you give it the go-juice.
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 17, 2014, 12:31:21 PM
The Jetta is one of those cars I can't really come up with a good reason for purchasing. Obviously I'm missing something huge considering how popular the things are.
For me, I was looking at something that would be comfortable for all my work-related driving, reasonably economical, and refined enough to look like a grown up car, while holding onto the fun-factor as much as possible. Cars like the BRZ really played to my heart, but at the end of the day were too expensive and wouldn't have been as enjoyable to live with on a day-to-day basis. That pretty much left me with the mainstream midsizers or higher-trim compacts.
Although I hear good things about the new Corolla, IMO Toyota hasn't made a genuinely fun Corolla/Camry in 20 years at least. Honda has effectively neutered their sportiness of the late 90s and early 2000s, and if you want a stick then be prepared to get a stripper Accord.
Mazda, Subaru, and the domestics were the real competition, and while I have a soft spot for Mazda, as well as buying domestic, I felt like the TDI represented decent value for the price and nothing else really jumped out at me. In hindsight I probably should've test-driven the Mazda6, but c'est la vie. I'm pretty happy with what I got.
TLDR: I think VW is slowly getting back to doing the "understated and classy entry-lux w/ a pinch of fun" theme better than their rivals, and I guess that's what I was looking for.
Yea VW got the "basic cars that don't punish you with austerity" thing down cold
I am feeling like we are at 50% or higher of VWAG product owners here. Def way over that on VWAG sympathizers
Actually, you can get a very nice Accord w/6 MT - the "Sport" trim - looks great what with 18" alloys and dual exhaust. Haven't driven it but it's gotten rave reviews and for what it is it's fairly quick. Stickers at under $24k. This would SO be my choice if I needed an economic sedan runabout.
Thing is people in the market for "basic" cars don't care about steering feel or soft touch materials or w/e and why VW struggled in the US; ergo, the more value engineered current gen Passat and Jetta (= a reversal of the "understated and classy entry-lux w/ a pinch of fun"). Sales have spiked accordingly.
And the Sport trim Accord is also quite the looker. It's an okay drive, with that manual being a sweet treat. The Accord is still quite loud on the highway, and the trunk is still small. Well-shaped, but small.
Mmm, dat TDI. I love diesel torque.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 18, 2014, 10:21:45 AM
Actually, you can get a very nice Accord w/6 MT - the "Sport" trim - looks great what with 18" alloys and dual exhaust. Haven't driven it but it's gotten rave reviews and for what it is it's fairly quick. Stickers at under $24k. This would SO be my choice if I needed an economic sedan runabout.
+1
That's a ton of car for the money. Lots of space, pretty good power, good fuel mileage. All around solid car for a very competitive price.
I like the Accord a lot and would have just gotten the LX as the equipment on the Sport isn't really that interesting to me. Either way though you're still stuck with cloth seats, a bargain basement stereo, etc... Never been much of a bells'n'whistles guy but I've grown to appreciate that sort of thing after driving so much for work.
I think VW is still finding their sweet-spot in the US market. This newest Jetta refresh was a bit of a clawback on the "value engineering", as they reintroduced some of the entry-lux features to address lagging sales.
I don't think VW was focused on the wrong things. Let me rephrase that. I do think there is a huge market for folks who don't want a cookie cutter mainstream penalty box, but also don't want to go full on luxury. VW was moving damn near 400K cars a year ~10-15 years ago, but sales began to dip once the stigma of the MKIV generation reached a fever pitch. Sad, because IMO aside from the carbon build up problems, the MKV VWs struck the perfect balance, AND were relatively reliable. Now they have the reliability, but I think they pulled back too far on the "upscaleness" and design. Now that they have the US' market's ear again, I think they will be able to bring back some of that "coolness" for the MK7.5 and MK8 stuff.
Quote from: Tave on August 18, 2014, 10:47:10 AM
I like the Accord a lot and would have just gotten the LX as the equipment on the Sport isn't really that interesting to me. Either way though you're still stuck with cloth seats, a bargain basement stereo, etc... Never been much of a bells'n'whistles guy but I've grown to appreciate that sort of thing after driving so much for work.
I think VW is still finding their sweet-spot in the US market. This newest Jetta refresh was a bit of a clawback on the "value engineering", as they reintroduced some of the entry-lux features to address lagging sales.
If you don't mind me asking, what did you end up paying for it? I don't remember seeing it previously.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 18, 2014, 10:21:45 AM
Actually, you can get a very nice Accord w/6 MT - the "Sport" trim - looks great what with 18" alloys and dual exhaust. Haven't driven it but it's gotten rave reviews and for what it is it's fairly quick. Stickers at under $24k. This would SO be my choice if I needed an economic sedan runabout.
Thing is people in the market for "basic" cars don't care about steering feel or soft touch materials or w/e and why VW struggled in the US; ergo, the more value engineered current gen Passat and Jetta (= a reversal of the "understated and classy entry-lux w/ a pinch of fun"). Sales have spiked accordingly.
The Accord is a better car in every single way - including the fact that it's not a desiel. It's going to take him over X years and Y miles just to break even.
He made his bed, let him sleep it in.
The final strike against the Accord was that, although I love it, my parents had one and I drove it enough to want something new.
Quote from: CJ on August 18, 2014, 10:27:19 AM
And the Sport trim Accord is also quite the looker. It's an okay drive, with that manual being a sweet treat. The Accord is still quite loud on the highway, and the trunk is still small. Well-shaped, but small.
Yup. Windows-up the TDI is very quite. Some gurgle-feels through the pedal on start-up and shut-down, but the noise itself is isolated incredibly well, even moreso than the 2014 TDI Sportwagon I mentioned previously. It's better than all the late-model Accords I've driven (AT only).
The TSI was noticeably quieter, almost obscenely so. I've never been around a car that quiet that wasn't a hybrid/electric.
Windows-down the TDI is a different story. You can hear the burbles and stutters. It's not bad, in fact I think it sounds fantastic and provides a great backdrop to open-air cruising, but it's definitely there.
And no smell!! (Cross your fingers) My buddy's Sportwagon has a faint diesel smell.
Quote from: MrH on August 18, 2014, 11:18:22 AM
If you don't mind me asking, what did you end up paying for it? I don't remember seeing it previously.
23 and change on the car, 24 and change out the door after taxes and trade-in. They gave me a grand for the Aveo, which was about 300-600 off KBB trade value on good-condition (which mine was not). So about 2 grand under MSRP and 4-5 less than the sticker after destination, dealer fees, etc... I didn't get a screaming deal but beggars can't be choosers.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 11:22:56 AM
The Accord is a better car in every single way - including the fact that it's not a desiel. It's going to take him over X years and Y miles just to break even.
He made his bed, let him sleep it in.
I chose the diesel because I thought the entire powertrain (engine + transmission) was more fun to drive than the TSI, and because it's a little weird and colorful. I'm not trying to break even on anything, although it will be nice to have a car that's still cheap to fuel, which was the Aveo's saving grace.
FWIW, if I was worried about "breaking even," switching to an Accord wouldn't have saved me much money. Maybe a grand or two on the LX, but those were much harder to find w/ a manual.
Breaking even, HA! The only thing that stops me from vomiting in panic is the fact that I really did need a different car and like the one I got. ...Breaking even...hahahaha...
Quote from: Tave on August 18, 2014, 10:47:10 AM
I think VW is still finding their sweet-spot in the US market. This newest Jetta refresh was a bit of a clawback on the "value engineering", as they reintroduced some of the entry-lux features to address lagging sales.
Yeah, it looks to me like VW is putting the quality and content back into the Jetta that they stripped out of it a few years ago.
No more Fisher-Price quality interior controls, right? And the independent rear suspension is back too, I hear. I really haven't kept up with the Jetta since they downgraded it so I'm wondering if it's now as good as it was before the misguided cost cutting.
Congrats on the new car, BTW. The TDI is a phenomenal engine!
Lol @ talking about breaking even on the purchase of a brand new car via fuel costs. Apparently Char has never heard of this thing called "depreciation" which outweighs pretty much any financial consideration that can be made on a car purchase.
Quote from: Madman on August 18, 2014, 12:02:56 PM
Yeah, it looks to me like VW is putting the quality and content back into the Jetta that they stripped out of it a few years ago.
No more Fisher-Price quality interior controls, right? And the independent rear suspension is back too, I hear. I really haven't kept up with the Jetta since they downgraded it so I'm wondering if it's now as good as it was before the misguided cost cutting.
Congrats on the new car, BTW. The TDI is a phenomenal engine!
Most everything in mine feels pretty solid. The TDI and GLI have the soft-touch dash up front and then the same hard panels as the TSI going aft. I drove them back-to-back and I think ultimately that shouldn't sway a buyer one way or the other. You can't even tell unless you push on the material fairly hard, it feels exactly like the cheaper dash if you only rest your hand against it. Design is great. Switchgear is good if not class-leading like on past models. Some of that is replaced on the higher trims, like mine, but don't know if you can entirely avoid it without moving up to the GTi, Passat, CC, etc...
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2014, 12:11:25 PM
Lol @ talking about breaking even on the purchase of a brand new car via fuel costs. Apparently Char has never heard of this thing called "depreciation" which outweighs pretty much any financial consideration that can be made on a car purchase.
Even then, TDi VWs hold their value pretty well.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 18, 2014, 01:05:59 PM
Even then, TDi VWs hold their value pretty well.
Only cause VW owners are doodieheads
He admits that his purchase isn't a logical one. The TDI Jetta does everything worse than an Accord, it's slower, it's less reliable (wait for those intercooler issues. ;) ) It handles worse, it's a VW.
On the flip side, he can fit in with the rest of the clueless consumers on the website. Desiel engines are overrated, just like this car. But hey, if you're happy - more power to you.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 17, 2014, 06:55:18 PM
lol why do you even post here if we're all VW loving idiots.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
He admits that his purchase isn't a logical one.
I admit I didn't buy it to "break-even" on fuel savings. Beyond that I don't know how big of a role logic plays in new car purchases.
QuoteThe TDI Jetta does everything worse than an Accord, it's slower, it's less reliable (wait for those intercooler issues. ;) ) It handles worse, it's a VW.
Off the line it's just as fast as the Accord CVT and around a half-tick slower than the manual, so more like even to slightly slower. But that's from a dead stop, I wouldn't be surprised if the roll-outs and midrange numbers favor the TDI. And neither the Accord nor the TDI feels wanting for power to me which is all that really matters.
The Accord feels a little crisper with less roll and tighter turn-in. The VW has a better ride and is quieter while maintaining decent handling traits.
Also the Accord was/is either more expensive or simply unavailable with the options I wanted (non-cloth seats, sunroof, premium audio).
Regardless, I wasn't going to buy an Accord, so it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Tave on August 18, 2014, 02:41:46 PM
I admit I didn't buy it to "break-even" on fuel savings. Beyond that I don't know how big of a role logic plays in new car purchases.
Off the line it's just as fast as the Accord CVT and around a half-tick slower than the manual, so more like even to slightly slower. But that's from a dead stop, I wouldn't be surprised if the roll-outs and midrange numbers favor the TDI. And neither the Accord nor the TDI feels wanting for power to me which is all that really matters.
The Accord feels a little crisper with less roll and tighter turn-in. The VW has a better ride and is quieter while maintaining decent handling traits.
Also the Accord was/is either more expensive or simply unavailable with the options I wanted (non-cloth seats, sunroof, premium audio).
Regardless, I wasn't going to buy an Accord, so it doesn't matter.
Don't waste your time with that clown.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 02:23:44 PM
Why not? Gives me something to do.
Christ, dude - FUCK OFF.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 18, 2014, 02:45:47 PM
Don't waste your time with that clown.
Yeah, don't waste time responding to logical argument - it might break the circle jerk that is rampant on these forums.
Quote from: Tave on August 18, 2014, 02:41:46 PM
I admit I didn't buy it to "break-even" on fuel savings. Beyond that I don't know how big of a role logic plays in new car purchases.
Off the line it's just as fast as the Accord CVT and around a half-tick slower than the manual, so more like even to slightly slower. But that's from a dead stop, I wouldn't be surprised if the roll-outs and midrange numbers favor the TDI. And neither the Accord nor the TDI feels wanting for power to me which is all that really matters.
The Accord feels a little crisper with less roll and tighter turn-in. The VW has a better ride and is quieter while maintaining decent handling traits.
Also the Accord was/is either more expensive or simply unavailable with the options I wanted (non-cloth seats, sunroof, premium audio).
Regardless, I wasn't going to buy an Accord, so it doesn't matter.
It's just slower period. It's also slower and barely gets better mileage than the Mazda 3. There is literally SO many other cars that can do what it does better - WHY? I need to understand it.
Tave, I'm glad you got the car you wanted. :ohyeah:
Quote from: 2o6 on August 18, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
Christ, dude - FUCK OFF.
Because we all have to agree on the Internet?
Char keeps things more interesting than everybody just nodding.
Having said that, I think there is no "objective" best choice, after all it's a very personal thing a car and congrats to Tave on the TDI.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 03:19:19 PM
It's just slower period. It's also slower and barely gets better mileage than the Mazda 3.
Again, I wasn't that concerned with power. If I had been, I would have bought the TSI, which is faster than the 2.0 Mazda and faster than the Accord while being cheaper too. However:
Motor Trend clocks the Accord at 7.6 seconds (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1305_2013_honda_accord_sport_toyota_camry_se_2014_mazda6_grand_touring/winner.html)
US News reports Edmunds Accord test: 7.8 seconds (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Honda_Accord/Performance/)
Motor Trend tests 2013 TDI at 8 seconds flat (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1308_2013_volkswagen_jetta_tdi_first_test/)
Motor Trend tests the 2014 Mazda 3 at 7.8 seconds (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1312_2014_mazda3_i_sedan_s_hatch_first_test/)
I really don't see a meaningful difference there, note too that the reviewers predicted the DSG would improve the TDI's acceleration numbers. Back to my other point, 0-60 is more about traction, gearing, and engine characteristics off the line than it is useable power. Go out and give the TDI a whirl, it doesn't feel anemic at all. It's a hoot of a mill.
QuoteThere is literally SO many other cars that can do what it does better - WHY? I need to understand it.
What's to understand? You've mentioned 2 cars: Accord and Mazda 3. I didn't want another Accord (as much as I love it) and the Mazda3 was too small. :huh:
Quote from: Rockraven on August 18, 2014, 02:45:47 PM
Don't waste your time with that clown.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2014, 03:35:20 PM
Because we all have to agree on the Internet?
Char keeps things more interesting than everybody just nodding.
Yeah I don't mind humoring the guy he's fine. I am worried that he's going to develop hypertension within 5 years, but we can work on that.
Quote from: Tave on August 18, 2014, 04:07:08 PM
Again, I wasn't that concerned with power. If I had been, I would have bought the TSI, which is faster than the 2.0 Mazda and faster than the Accord while being cheaper too. However:
Motor Trend clocks the Accord at 7.6 seconds (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1305_2013_honda_accord_sport_toyota_camry_se_2014_mazda6_grand_touring/winner.html)
US News reports Edmunds Accord test: 7.8 seconds (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Honda_Accord/Performance/)
Motor Trend tests 2013 TDI at 8 seconds flat (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1308_2013_volkswagen_jetta_tdi_first_test/)
Motor Trend tests the 2014 Mazda 3 at 7.8 seconds (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1312_2014_mazda3_i_sedan_s_hatch_first_test/)
I really don't see a meaningful difference there, note too that the reviewers predicted the DSG would improve the TDI's acceleration numbers. Back to my other point, 0-60 is more about traction, gearing, and engine characteristics off the line than it is useable power. Go out and give the TDI a whirl, it doesn't feel anemic at all. It's a hoot of a mill.
What's to understand? You've mentioned 2 cars: Accord and Mazda 3. I didn't want another Accord (as much as I love it) and the Mazda3 was too small. :huh:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sport-24-long-term-update-review-long-term-intro-page-3 (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sport-24-long-term-update-review-long-term-intro-page-3)
6.6 to 60 and no timing belts
the Mazda 3 Sedan with the 2.5 and manual haven't been tested as far as I know.
Also note the Accord is a full second and a half quicker through the 1/4mile and has a substantially higher trap speed. So does the heavier (automatic) more powerfule 2.5 Mazda 3.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1312_2014_mazda3_i_sedan_s_hatch_first_test/ (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1312_2014_mazda3_i_sedan_s_hatch_first_test/)
I mean, I know it's a choice and I know your happy, but the VW really didn't do anything better besides being quirky. Is that enough?
Even if I don't ever make up the difference in fuel costs, I am attracted to the idea of the much longer range in a diesel. Less stopping for fuel is cool.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2014, 05:18:07 PM
Even if I don't ever make up the difference in fuel costs, I am attracted to the idea of the much longer range in a diesel. Less stopping for fuel is cool.
Real world mileage isn't that impressive from what I've seen (compared to gas powered cars) slower, heavier and cost more. It's a hard case to make for me.
Right now I'm seeing 30-35 around town and 40-43 on the highway. Do yourself a favor and drive one. It doesn't like to jump from a standstill so it won't win many stoplight wars, but it absolutely rips at speed.
I love it, reminds me of my grandma's 850.
Quote from: Tave on August 18, 2014, 07:07:58 PM
Right now I'm seeing 30-35 around town and 40-43 on the highway. Do yourself a favor and drive one. It doesn't like to jump from a standstill so it won't win many stoplight wars, but it absolutely rips at speed.
I love it, reminds me of my grandma's 850.
That's about exactly what we get on the highway, but your city MPG will improve.
Your grandma has an 850?
I am getting 13 MPG in the city. 35 MPG city I have enever experienced. Ever. In any car.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2014, 07:36:58 PM
I am getting 13 MPG in the city. 35 MPG city I have enever experienced. Ever. In any car.
:thumbsup:
That means you're doing it right
Nice, Tave.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 04:51:36 PM
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sport-24-long-term-update-review-long-term-intro-page-3 (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sport-24-long-term-update-review-long-term-intro-page-3)
6.6 to 60 and no timing belts
the Mazda 3 Sedan with the 2.5 and manual haven't been tested as far as I know.
Also note the Accord is a full second and a half quicker through the 1/4mile and has a substantially higher trap speed. So does the heavier (automatic) more powerfule 2.5 Mazda 3.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1312_2014_mazda3_i_sedan_s_hatch_first_test/ (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1312_2014_mazda3_i_sedan_s_hatch_first_test/)
I mean, I know it's a choice and I know your happy, but the VW really didn't do anything better besides being quirky. Is that enough?
Lol, stickshift Accord to automatic Jetta... by Char standards an unbiased apples to apples comparison
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 02:23:44 PM
Why not? Gives me something to do.
Maybe you should hang out with real people, or get laid, or something lol. That NOT convincing some strangers on the internet that VW is the devil's incarnate = the highlight of your day = pretty damn depressing.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2014, 08:36:37 PM
Lol, stickshift Accord to automatic Jetta... by Char standards an unbiased apples to apples comparison
Maybe you should hang out with real people, or get laid, or something lol. That NOT convincing some strangers on the internet that VW is the devil's incarnate = the highlight of your day = pretty damn depressing.
TDI is still slow. I don't see how mid range torque that allows you to accelerate no quicker than cars with half as much power is impressive, but I guess that's my fault.
Quote from: CJ on August 18, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
That's about exactly what we get on the highway, but your city MPG will improve.
Your grandma has an 850?
Kind of. She's in a nursing home right now, the car is back at her house.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 08:44:06 PM
TDI is still slow. I don't see how mid range torque that allows you to accelerate no quicker than cars with half as much power is impressive, but I guess that's my fault.
Sheeat pilgrim, and I got the sunroof and extra speakers too. It must be slow as molasses. :high5: :dance: :muffin:
Honda hasn't made a desirable Accord since the 1990s. The current one is the very definition of "Meh".
Your opinion is hereby invalid
No kidding. The 7th gen had the 6MT + V6 in '06 and '07. Phenomenal car. I so regretted not getting one.
Quote from: Char on August 18, 2014, 08:44:06 PM
TDI is still slow. I don't see how mid range torque that allows you to accelerate no quicker than cars with half as much power is impressive, but I guess that's my fault.
TDI is faster than cars in its class with the same power and as fast as midsizers with 40-60 more horsepower. More important takeaway though is, again, you have no clue what you're talking about and are willing to make shit up to slam VW.
*EDIT* I dont want to shit Tave's thread up anymore so if you want to make a catch-all "Char perpetually embarrasses himself for CarSPIN's entertainment" thread we can do that. But again, lol @ the unbridled cowardice of slamming a dude's brand new car purchase when you are too scared to admit your own. Hey dude, an E90 is not a bad car, even if your parents bought it for you ;)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2014, 04:44:43 AM
TDI is faster than cars in its class with the same power and as fast as midsizers with 40-60 more horsepower. More important takeaway though is, again, you have no clue what you're talking about and are willing to make shit up to slam VW.
*EDIT* I dont want to shit Tave's thread up anymore so if you want to make a catch-all "Char perpetually embarrasses himself for CarSPIN's entertainment" thread we can do that. But again, lol @ the unbridled cowardice of slamming a dude's brand new car purchase when you are too scared to admit your own. Hey dude, an E90 is not a bad car, even if your parents bought it for you ;)
Faster than what? The car can barely break the 16s.
I had a great drive this morning out of county for work on a winding road with lots of elevation changes. It doesn't have as much body roll as I initially thought. When you decide to throw it into the corner, it flattens out immediately. The roll is mostly at lower speeds and doesn't progress past a certain point. The steering isn't super-cutty, but as far as actually navigating the turn the car remains very composed. Towards the limit you feel the extra weight of the diesel catch up and start to push the outside front wheel.
Quote from: Char on August 19, 2014, 08:45:56 AM
Faster than what? The car can barely break the 16s.
Faster than the:
Civic @ 9.1 to 60 and 16.8 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2014/road-test-specs.html)
Corolla @ 9.2 to 60 and 16.9 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/corolla/2014/road-test-specs1.html)
Mazda 3 @ 8.3 to 60 and 16.2 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/2014/road-test-specs1.html)
Focus @ 8.7 to 60 and 16.4 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/2012/road-test-specs.html)
Sentra @ 9.7 to 60 and 17.2 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/sentra/2013/road-test-specs.html)
Cruze @ 9.6 to 60 and 17.1 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/track-tested-2011-chevrolet-cruze-ltz.html)
Dart @ 8.3 to 60 and 16.1 in the 1/4 (17.1 w/ TC on) (http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/dart/2013/road-test-specs.html)
Getting kinda tired of going through all the compacts...
Quote from: Tave on August 19, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
I had a great drive this morning out of county for work on a winding road with lots of elevation changes. It doesn't have as much body roll as I initially thought. When you decide to throw it into the corner, it flattens out immediately. The roll is mostly at lower speeds and doesn't progress past a certain point. The steering isn't super-cutty, but as far as actually navigating the turn the car remains very composed. Towards the limit you feel the extra weight of the diesel catch up and start to push the outside front wheel.
Faster than the:
Civic @ 9.1 to 60 and 16.8 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2014/road-test-specs.html)
Corolla @ 9.2 to 60 and 16.9 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/corolla/2014/road-test-specs1.html)
Mazda 3 @ 8.3 to 60 and 16.2 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/2014/road-test-specs1.html)
Focus @ 8.7 to 60 and 16.4 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/2012/road-test-specs.html)
Sentra @ 9.7 to 60 and 17.2 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/sentra/2013/road-test-specs.html)
Cruze @ 9.6 to 60 and 17.1 in the 1/4 (http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/track-tested-2011-chevrolet-cruze-ltz.html)
Dart @ 8.3 to 60 and 16.1 in the 1/4 (17.1 w/ TC on) (http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/dart/2013/road-test-specs.html)
Getting kinda tired of going through all the compacts...
Fair enough, but I thought it compared against the Accord - which is MUCH faster. Though, those are the slower weaker variants of compact cars, like the Mazda 3s http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/2014/road-test-specs2.html, (http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/2014/road-test-specs2.html,) which can actually break into the 15s.
Jetta compares with the Accord? News to me :confused:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Jetta compares with the Accord? News to me :confused:
Doesn't it? I'm putting way too much thought and energy into this.
I don't think Tave is gonna go drag racing on the weekends so who really cares.
Quote from: Char on August 19, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
Doesn't it?
Not according to any piece of information, ever :confused:
Quote from: Char on August 19, 2014, 11:22:23 AM
I'm putting way too much thought and energy into this.
Understatement of the year? Decade? Century?
Golf - Mazda3 hatchback etc
Jetta - Mazda3 sedan, Civic, etc
Passat - Mazda6, Accord, etc
Quote from: Rockraven on August 19, 2014, 11:48:11 AM
Golf - Mazda3 hatchback etc
Jetta - Mazda3 sedan, Civic, etc
Passat - Mazda6, Accord, etc
That's stupid.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2014, 01:04:17 PM
Why?
You don't think it's silly to have 2 different cars compare with 1? I always thought the Jetta and Passat covered the Camry/Avalon.
Quote from: Char on August 19, 2014, 02:12:09 PM
You don't think it's silly to have 2 different cars compare with 1?
Sure, but I think it's even sillier that someone as rabidly anti VW wouldn't know what segment one of its core products competes in.
Quote from: Char on August 19, 2014, 02:12:09 PM
You don't think it's silly to have 2 different cars compare with 1? I always thought the Jetta and Passat covered the Camry/Avalon.
VW doesn't really have an Avalon competitor. They don't really have a full-size entry at the moment. Just the midsize Passat (which, like the latest Accord, may actually be toeing the full-size line) and the "compact" Jetta (which, like some other compact segment competitors, is toeing the midsize line). The Jetta's just a Golf sedan, why would it compete with a larger class of cars than the Golf?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2014, 02:41:31 PM
Sure, but I think it's even sillier that someone as rabidly anti VW wouldn't know what segment one of its core products competes in.
No, why would I
really care?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
Jetta compares with the Accord? News to me :confused:
Compact vs. full size (or is the Accord back to midsize now?); a natural comparison. For example, I was very disappointed in my Z4's towing capacity and approach angle compared to the other car I was looking to buy, the Ford F150. But I went with the Z4 anyway.
Quote from: Raza on August 19, 2014, 05:08:58 PM
Compact vs. full size (or is the Accord back to midsize now?); a natural comparison. For example, I was very disappointed in my Z4's towing capacity and approach angle compared to the other car I was looking to buy, the Ford F150. But I went with the Z4 anyway.
To be fair, the Z4 does offer more head room.
Quote from: Char on August 19, 2014, 12:17:47 PM
That's stupid.
That's what we have been saying about your opinion for months.
Quote from: Submariner on August 19, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
That's what we have been saying about your opinion for months.
My "opinion" is based on facts - yours is just a knee jerk reaction to the shock of realizing the truth. Carspin actually made me hate VW.
I think I can speak for all of us when I say that we are very happy to not be burdened with knowing you offline.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 12:16:18 AM
Carspin actually made me hate VW.
Wait Carspin actually came together as a group and accomplished something?
Good work guys, I'm proud of us. We might not be
completely dysfunctional after all!
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 12:16:18 AM
Carspin actually made me hate VW.
How? :confused:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 20, 2014, 07:50:21 AM
How? :confused:
"Yeah, the Jetta is a pretty good car. I might buy one over a Civic, or Char's mom's minivan."
"FUCK VW THAR CARS SUX LOLOLOL"
Char makes me want to buy a VW.
I don't know...This looks pretty appealing.
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/1997-mercury-villager-wgn-gs_100026779_m.jpg)
25K diesel powered car that offers nothing over a gas powered variant besides a marginal increase in fuel economy (though the fuel can cost over $.60 more a gallon)
"BEST CAR EVER!"
Want a car that actually drives well, and isn't a piece of fucking shit?
"BUY A VW!"
Want a reliable car
"BUY A VW"
It's a broken fucking record over here, and no matter how many times I point out how you conclusions are wrong, I'm made out to be the bad guy. Yeah, I get it - you drive a shoddily built car that you paid a LOT of money for, when you could have gotten a something "good" but now your stuck with your decision. Instead of admitting your wrong and helping others make a more informed decision, you buckle down and dig in.
You can't even objectively make a case for a VW/Audi product. Try me.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
You can't even objectively make a case for a VW/Audi product. Try me.
German engineering? :confused:
Find me another new car for $25,000 (We paid $23,000 for our Jetta) that averages 39 MPG (45 on a road trip, as tested by me), is extremely comfortable, has a large cargo area, good audio system, good driving dynamics, a very nice interior, and feels as solid as this one does. You can't and won't.
Within the first year of owning our Accord, the side-impact airbags had to be replaced due to water leaking in the interior from the back window seal, a battery, and the dew wipes replaced for scratching the glass. The next year saw an alternator, power steering pump, another set of dew wipes, another battery, a set of horns (bad battery took out the horns), and at least one engine mount. It would see another battery under warranty, another engine mount, and another power steering pump before the 5 yr./60k mile powertrain warranty expired.
The Jetta had to have a speaker grille replaced in its first year. I noticed a tiny crack between the holes in the grille, so they replaced it. That's it. Add a tire, but that was the dealer's fault. Guy came and got the car for the speaker grille replacement and hit something in the road, blowing out the tire.
Quote from: CJ on August 20, 2014, 11:19:36 AM
Find me another new car for $25,000 (We paid $23,000 for our Jetta) that averages 39 MPG (45 on a road trip, as tested by me), is extremely comfortable, has a large cargo area, good audio system, good driving dynamics, a very nice interior, and feels as solid as this one does. You can't and won't.
The Mazda 3 cost less and does all of those as good or better. It's easily the best in class.
Within the first year of owning our Accord, the side-impact airbags had to be replaced due to water leaking in the interior from the back window seal, a battery, and the dew wipes replaced for scratching the glass. The next year saw an alternator, power steering pump, another set of dew wipes, another battery, a set of horns (bad battery took out the horns), and at least one engine mount. It would see another battery under warranty, another engine mount, and another power steering pump before the 5 yr./60k mile powertrain warranty expired.
Blah blah blah blah. The Accord and Honda as a whole are more reliable statistically.
The Jetta had to have a speaker grille replaced in its first year. I noticed a tiny crack between the holes in the grille, so they replaced it. That's it. Add a tire, but that was the dealer's fault. Guy came and got the car for the speaker grille replacement and hit something in the road, blowing out the tire.
Right, and everyone everywhere who has reported on the shit reliability of the Jetta is wrong and lying, and has a massive conspiracy to make Honda look good.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
You can't even objectively make a case for a VW/Audi product. Try me.
Lol... and why would we do that?
I tell you what. I'll make a case for VWs when you can demonstrate to me why your opinion matters.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 11:13:04 AM
East German.
I've never really been a VW fan though they're no worse than any of the other major manufacturers, especially Toyota...
the passionate pursuit of perception...and that's what it's really all about.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 20, 2014, 11:49:09 AM
I've never really been a VW fan though they're no worse than any of the other major manufacturers, especially Toyota...the passionate pursuit of perception...and that's what it's really all about.
Toyota is awesome. I love the FRS and BRZ.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
Toyota is awesome. I love the FRS and BRZ.
Toyota is definitely a way better automaker than VWAG (albeit I'm not a big fan of the FRSBRZZZZ). It's not even a discussion really.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 20, 2014, 02:00:25 PM
Toyota is definitely a way better automaker than VWAG (albeit I'm not a big fan of the FRSBRZZZZ). It's not even a discussion really.
I'm just interested... Would you consider Lexus a way better automaker than Audi?
I'm not sure how useful it is to compare automaker with automaker. I think it makes much more sense to compare a particular model of an automaker with another model of a different automaker. The VW golf/GTI can hold their own to anything out there at their price points.
Quote from: veeman on August 20, 2014, 02:22:04 PM
I'm just interested... Would you consider Lexus a way better automaker than Audi?
I'm not sure how useful it is to compare automaker with automaker. I think it makes much more sense to compare a particular model of an automaker with another model of a different automaker. The VW golf/GTI can hold their own to anything out there at their price points.
Lexus is absolutely better than Audi, and I'm not saying that out of spite either. While it pains me to admit it, Audi does make more cars for "enthusiast", BUT Lexus vehicles are more polished, better thought out, engineered and put together.
Quote from: veeman on August 20, 2014, 02:22:04 PM
I'm just interested... Would you consider Lexus a way better automaker than Audi?
I'm not sure how useful it is to compare automaker with automaker. I think it makes much more sense to compare a particular model of an automaker with another model of a different automaker. The VW golf/GTI can hold their own to anything out there at their price points.
I was just talking in generalities - reliability, influence, quality, etc. There is no Toyota product I'd buy save for maybe the 4Runner and Tacoma (both aren't great vehicles from a feature/function POV). Toyota is also a bit unique in that it changed the world of manufacturing; automotive and otherwise; forever. The GTI is by far and away the best car Germany builds and one of the best cars available today (and other than the S4 the only German vehicle I'd buy).
I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Toyota's influence and well deserved world #1 standing. VW has also had tremendous influence; i.e. the original VW beetle.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
Toyota is awesome. I love the FRS and BRZ.
No better than most.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 11:23:23 AM
Right, and everyone everywhere who has reported on the shit reliability of the Jetta is wrong and lying, and has a massive conspiracy to make Honda look good.
The Mazda 3 doesn't feel anywhere near as nice inside (That's because it isn't), or as solidly put together. In addition to having 13 cubic feet less cargo space than the Sportwagen, it's no wonder we went with what we did. A 3 with the features our Jetta has will cost more than what we paid, and it will not get the fuel economy that the Jetta achieves regularly.
Next.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 02:37:10 PM
Lexus is absolutely better than Audi, and I'm not saying that out of spite either. While it pains me to admit it, Audi does make more cars for "enthusiast", BUT Lexus vehicles are more polished, better thought out, engineered and put together.
Put together, perhaps, but no to everything else. And I say this as someone who has had multiple Lexus cars in the household, as well as at the same time as Mercedes, BMW, and Audi cars.
The Japanese still don't know where to put things. That's why every Japanese car has a vastly different interior layout and German cars are all pretty much the same as each other and have been for decades. That's not to say that the Japanese can't make a good car. They've made a few that I like quite a bit, though mostly Hondas and Mazdas. Can't recall ever driving a Toyota product that I really loved or even liked.
EDIT: I remember one. Toyota MR-2 Spyder. Fantastic little car.
Quote from: Raza on August 20, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
Put together, perhaps, but no to everything else. And I say this as someone who has had multiple Lexus cars in the household, as well as at the same time as Mercedes, BMW, and Audi cars.
The Japanese still don't know where to put things. That's why every Japanese car has a vastly different interior layout and German cars are all pretty much the same as each other and have been for decades. That's not to say that the Japanese can't make a good car. They've made a few that I like quite a bit, though mostly Hondas and Mazdas. Can't recall ever driving a Toyota product that I really loved or even liked.
EDIT: I remember one. Toyota MR-2 Spyder. Fantastic little car.
Obviously someone who has never worked on a car ever in their entire life. Do you even know how to change your own oil?
The rest of the statement doesn't carry any weight. You're the same guy who think a
Jetta is more fun to drive than a
350Z.
Quote from: CJ on August 20, 2014, 06:06:39 PM
The Mazda 3 doesn't feel anywhere near as nice inside (I can't argue with your feelings)(That's because it isn't), or as solidly put together. (Again, subjective, but the Mazda has a better track record for being put together and not falling apart) In addition to having 13 cubic feet less cargo space than the Sportwagen,(objective) it's no wonder we went with what we did. A 3 with the features our Jetta has will cost more than what we paid, and it will not get the fuel economy that the Jetta achieves regularly. (Like what?)
Next.
Shoddy logic and reasoning.
I'm waiting...................................................................
Quote from: Raza on August 20, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
Put together, perhaps, but no to everything else. And I say this as someone who has had multiple Lexus cars in the household, as well as at the same time as Mercedes, BMW, and Audi cars.
The Japanese still don't know where to put things. That's why every Japanese car has a vastly different interior layout and German cars are all pretty much the same as each other and have been for decades. That's not to say that the Japanese can't make a good car. They've made a few that I like quite a bit, though mostly Hondas and Mazdas. Can't recall ever driving a Toyota product that I really loved or even liked.
EDIT: I remember one. Toyota MR-2 Spyder. Fantastic little car.
Every Japanese car I've ever driven (examples made from the early 90s to now from 5 different companies) has had pretty much the same control layout, minus the cruise control placement.
Quote from: MX793 on August 20, 2014, 08:51:12 PM
Every Japanese car I've ever driven (examples made from the early 90s to now from 5 different companies) has had pretty much the same control layout, minus the cruise control placement.
This, and BMW is notorious for reinventing the wheel with basic controls; shifter, infotainment, cruise control, door locks.
Asian cars are pretty much all the same in placement; gas door and trunk release on the floor, locks and switches on the door, wipers and lights on a stalk.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
Obviously someone who has never worked on a car ever in their entire life. Do you even know how to change your own oil?
The rest of the statement doesn't carry any weight. You're the same guy who think a Jetta is more fun to drive than a 350Z.
:facepalm:
I was clearly talking about interior layouts.
Quote from: Raza on August 20, 2014, 09:05:31 PM
:facepalm:
I was clearly talking about interior layouts.
And you were still wrong. Read the posts above yours.
Quote from: Char on August 20, 2014, 09:48:38 PM
And you were still wrong. Read the posts above yours.
I disagree with them.
It's only fairly recently they've began to diverge, and that goes for the entire industry.
Maybe you should trade "German" for Volkswagen. VW cars generally have shit in the same place, for better or worse
BMW and Mercedes share little in common with VW ergonomically.
Yea... I dont know about these new cars with touchscreen everything, but I have had Toyota, Nissan and Honda... takes about a minute to find all the controls, if that
Meanwhile, there were functions in wifeys car that took me weeks or months to figure out, thanks to VW's extensive use of heiroglyphics. For example her A/C was blowing weak... apparently, at least from what the sign says, she has ventilated seats and there is a dial to switch between the vents and the seats. The wiper stalk is still a mystery to me- especially for the rear wiper. There's no indication of what is on or off, just pictograms. That's one thing I find to be pretty stupid... I get minimalist design but come on.
But as far as the interior quality, again, wifey's Rabbit is much higher quality than my Z both in design and durability. So far, pretty much just as reliable too.
(http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/LS400-004.jpg)
Classic piece of Toyota history
My initial impression on the 6spd was correct. The action is fantastic, you don't need more than 2 fingers and it falls into gear so well it's almost like there's a vacuum in each slot sucking the lever into place.
The clutch is too long, I'll get used to it but they should really shorten that up. The brakes feel like they need to wear a little, they can be grabby on initial application. Throttle is fine.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 21, 2014, 05:48:45 AM
Yea... I dont know about these new cars with touchscreen everything, but I have had Toyota, Nissan and Honda... takes about a minute to find all the controls, if that
Yeah, I'd rather have a single function knob or switch. Having to select functions by going through menus would be very distracting.
Quote from: Tave on August 21, 2014, 08:41:28 AM
My initial impression on the 6spd was correct. The action is fantastic, you don't need more than 2 fingers and it falls into gear so well it's almost like there's a vacuum in each slot sucking the lever into place.
The clutch is too long, I'll get used to it but they should really shorten that up. The brakes feel like they need to wear a little, they can be grabby on initial application. Throttle is fine.
Brand new, is it?
Quote from: Tave on August 21, 2014, 08:41:28 AM
My initial impression on the 6spd was correct. The action is fantastic, you don't need more than 2 fingers and it falls into gear so well it's almost like there's a vacuum in each slot sucking the lever into place.
The clutch is too long, I'll get used to it but they should really shorten that up. The brakes feel like they need to wear a little, they can be grabby on initial application. Throttle is fine.
Looks like they overcorrected on the brakes. Wifey's brakes are soggy to the point that they might need a bleed. They work fine once you get through that first 2-3" of travel.
Can't remember what VW I drove with a stickshift, but yea they have a pretty good shift action. It's those details that separate VWs from stuff like Corollas
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 21, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
Looks like they overcorrected on the brakes. Wifey's brakes are soggy to the point that they might need a bleed. They work fine once you get through that first 2-3" of travel.
Can't remember what VW I drove with a stickshift, but yea they have a pretty good shift action. It's those details that separate VWs from stuff like Corollas
No I think the feel is probably similar. Mine can be a little spongy up-top, not 2" worth but there's definitely a small amount of play on initial application. Still grabby right at the top but it gets better every time I brake.
Quote from: FoMoJo on August 21, 2014, 08:45:15 AM
Brand new, is it?
14 miles on the clock before I test drove it, 18 when I took delivery, and just shy of 300 as of this afternoon.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 20, 2014, 10:12:59 PM
Maybe you should trade "German" for Volkswagen. VW cars generally have shit in the same place, for better or worse
Yeah, and there are still some differences between, say, my Golf and my mom's A4. I have no idea what Raza's on about with his ergonomic point
Quote from: 2o6 on August 20, 2014, 10:12:59 PM
It's only fairly recently they've began to diverge, and that goes for the entire industry.
Maybe you should trade "German" for Volkswagen. VW cars generally have shit in the same place, for better or worse
BMW and Mercedes share little in common with VW ergonomically.
The--ugh--infortainment systems are all different now, but for the most part, German cars are all just the same. Remember, I drive BMW, Audi, and Mercedes on a regular basis, and I used to also often drive a Lexus often. Now it's not as if the turn signals are in the back seat in all Japanese cars, but the placement usually feels a little off in Japanese cars. A little further away from the rim of the steering wheel than it should be, a little further down, et al.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 21, 2014, 05:48:45 AM
Yea... I dont know about these new cars with touchscreen everything, but I have had Toyota, Nissan and Honda... takes about a minute to find all the controls, if that
Meanwhile, there were functions in wifeys car that took me weeks or months to figure out, thanks to VW's extensive use of heiroglyphics. For example her A/C was blowing weak... apparently, at least from what the sign says, she has ventilated seats and there is a dial to switch between the vents and the seats. The wiper stalk is still a mystery to me- especially for the rear wiper. There's no indication of what is on or off, just pictograms. That's one thing I find to be pretty stupid... I get minimalist design but come on.
But as far as the interior quality, again, wifey's Rabbit is much higher quality than my Z both in design and durability. So far, pretty much just as reliable too.
Don't know about the rear wiper, but are you really having trouble with the symbols? They do that so they can be understood by people in all language markets. Imagine if you had to find the button that said "Heckwischersteuerung" or "Fernlicht" to operate stuff.
Quote from: Raza on August 23, 2014, 06:54:06 AM
The--ugh--infortainment systems are all different now, but for the most part, German cars are all just the same. Remember, I drive BMW, Audi, and Mercedes on a regular basis, and I used to also often drive a Lexus often. Now it's not as if the turn signals are in the back seat in all Japanese cars, but the placement usually feels a little off in Japanese cars. A little further away from the rim of the steering wheel than it should be, a little further down, et al.
Your point?
You drive a model or two of these makes, but I'm in and out of cars all day, and I'm confident I've driven more cars than you.
BMW has been altering their ergonomics for years, even across the current model line things aren't entirely consistent - X1 switches shifters among model grades; iDrive isn't always the same in every model, cruise control flips from a stalk to buttons on the wheel (and they aren't consistently on the same side).
Most Asian cars have stalks on the left for blinkers and headlights (including Hyundai) as well as a cruise stalk (although many are migrating to buttons lately)
Quote from: 2o6 on August 23, 2014, 07:37:06 AM
Your point?
You drive a model or two of these makes, but I'm in and out of cars all day, and I'm confident I've driven more cars than you.
I'm sorry, but I've been doing this a lot longer than you have. I've driven dozens and dozens of cars, many German, from model years from the early 80s to today. Be confident in your opinions, but don't presume to know that you know everything I've done.
Quote from: Raza on August 23, 2014, 07:43:37 AM
I'm sorry, but I've been doing this a lot longer than you have. I've driven dozens and dozens of cars, many German, from model years from the early 80s to today. Be confident in your opinions, but don't presume to know that you know everything I've done.
I'm in and out of all sorts of makes and models every day, from ALL makes, models, countries. I've driven and been inside probably 75% of pretty much all vehicles on the market....
What you're saying doesn't make sense....
Anyways, I don't think it's that big of a deal unless something is glaringly bad; usually within 30 seconds I can get comfortable with whatever I'm driving. I've driven so many cars that things sort of run together now
Quote from: 2o6 on August 23, 2014, 09:08:51 AM
Anyways, I don't think it's that big of a deal unless something is glaringly bad; usually within 30 seconds I can get comfortable with whatever I'm driving. I've driven so many cars that things sort of run together now
The Mazda3 I had a couple years back was glaringly bad, for example.
Quote from: Raza on August 23, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
The Mazda3 I had a couple years back was glaringly bad, for example.
It is. That tune/file knob that is masquerading as a volume knob is frustrating. And the faux iDrive in the new one isn't much better
Quote from: 2o6 on August 23, 2014, 10:04:49 AM
It is. That tune/file knob that is masquerading as a volume knob is frustrating. And the faux iDrive in the new one isn't much better
I agree that the previous generation ergonomics were a mess -- the jumbo knob and the cruise controls that were spread out across the entire steering wheel on most models.
On the new one, though, the audio controls are unconventional but they actually work pretty decently when you get used to them. Not quite great, but better. And of course you can use the touchscreen instead of the buttons and knob for most things, too.
Quote from: Raza on August 23, 2014, 06:58:30 AM
Don't know about the rear wiper, but are you really having trouble with the symbols? They do that so they can be understood by people in all language markets. Imagine if you had to find the button that said "Heckwischersteuerung" or "Fernlicht" to operate stuff.
It's not do much the symbols, as much as is the symbols being vague and controls bucking convention. For example the wiper stalk operates in the opposite direction of literally every other car I've driven, and there is no indication of how to operate the washers or rear wiper. some extra symbols explaining how to operate the stalk would help.
Plus I'm pretty suremost car companies use English on all their controls. And the climate controls are in Fahrenheit. It's just bad design.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
It's not do much the symbols, as much as is the symbols being vague and controls bucking convention. For example the wiper stalk operates in the opposite direction of literally every other car I've driven, and there is no indication of how to operate the washers or rear wiper. some extra symbols explaining how to operate the stalk would help.
Plus I'm pretty suremost car companies use English on all their controls. And the climate controls are in Fahrenheit. It's just bad design.
Might be a familiarity thing. I've never had a problem. I'd imagine all the buttons (minus the rear wiper) were the same between the Rabbit and my Jetta.
Quote from: Raza on August 23, 2014, 09:22:32 PM
Might be a familiarity thing. I've never had a problem. I'd imagine all the buttons (minus the rear wiper) were the same between the Rabbit and my Jetta.
It's not a problem, just an annoyingly steeper than necessary learning curve. One shouldn't need to read an owner's manual to figure out the functions of a basic car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 24, 2014, 11:23:17 AM
It's not a problem, just an annoyingly steeper than necessary learning curve. One shouldn't need to read an owner's manual to figure out the functions of a basic car.
What is a "basic car" though these days? Most cars today have a load of functions.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 24, 2014, 11:30:21 AM
What is a "basic car" though these days? Most cars today have a load of functions.
Something under 25K I would say. I mean I guess for stuff like navigation and radar cruise control, cool. But those are new technologies. A wiper stalk should be intuitive for someone who has been driving for a decade
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 24, 2014, 11:32:15 AM
Something under 25K I would say. I mean I guess for stuff like navigation and radar cruise control, cool. But those are new technologies. A wiper stalk should be intuitive for someone who has been driving for a decade
I don't know. For example, BMW has been criticized a lot for some of the ergonomic changes they've done in the past few years. But once you get used to them, getting into other cars feels simply old.
For example, newer BMWs have the turn signal stalk where a little push will get you either a single blink or 3 blinks (configurable in iDrive) and a full push will get you regular turn signal behaviour. Or push button start for that matter (with keyless entry). This changes I find to be a better way of doing things and I miss them a bit when I get in the E46 which is starting to feel "classic".
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 24, 2014, 11:37:58 AM
I don't know. For example, BMW has been criticized a lot for some of the ergonomic changes they've done in the past few years. But once you get used to them, getting into other cars feels simply old.
For example, newer BMWs have the turn signal stalk where a little push will get you either a single blink or 3 blinks (configurable in iDrive) and a full push will get you regular turn signal behaviour. Or push button start for that matter (with keyless entry). This changes I find to be a better way of doing things and I miss them a bit when I get in the E46 which is starting to feel "classic".
I do love BMW turn signals. It makes a lot of sense to me.
How is that a BMW thing? Those same signal stalks are used on the Saturn (Opel) Astra.
I hate them.
The Jetta has that same turn signal function.
Most of the controls are pretty intuitive, I don't have any trouble with the symbols. The dealer showed me cruise control before I even looked at it but, seriously? Hard to mistake "on" and "set."
The only real oddball is the mileage/weather/range/etc... toggle on the wiper stalk.
However, that's more industrial design than it is ergos. Ergos are great on the Jetta, especially for a taller guy: plenty of legroom, great seating position (low with ample visibility over the dash and the controls beneath you), open space to access the cabin but good bolstering, quality articulation and touch to most of the interior bits, good peripheral and ancillary viewpoints.
It's a very conservative layout but executed well.
Ergo mixed bag:
- some of the switchgear isn't quite as nice as the rest
- the trunk is large but deeply-set
- ingress/egress takes some getting used to as a trade-off to the seating position.
That last one is only an issue because I'm pretty tall, but I'll happily trade that for the legroom in this car. Holy cow, the only other ride that was truly comfortable for me was a 996 Carrera. I can't even work the pedals with the seats all the way back. That's unheard of, 99% of the time it's a question of how much, and not if, I will be cramped.
I filled up today, 36.5 mpg on the first tank, almost an exact 50/50 split b/w city and highway.
That's disappointing, I tend to pull around 30 mixed 50/50
That's spot on for the TDI
Diesels tend to increase the mileage and liven up a bit after they are finished breaking in.
This was a new car, right?
Quote from: mzziaz on August 25, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
Diesels tend to increase the mileage and liven up a bit after they are finished breaking in.
yes
Quote from: mzziaz on August 25, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
Diesels tend to increase the mileage and liven up a bit after they are finished breaking in.
This was a new car, right?
Tends to be true for most engines...then after a while, they wear out and start to die.
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 25, 2014, 04:55:30 PM
That's disappointing, I tend to pull around 30 mixed 50/50
I can do 32 or so in my car with more power than a TDI and the fuel cost less. Just saying.
Quote from: Char on August 26, 2014, 11:18:25 AM
I can do 32 or so in my car with more power than a TDI and the fuel cost less. Just saying.
You can do 32 or so in a minivan? :lol:
Check out these mileages (kilometerages?) VW TDi's are indestructible.
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/volkswagen/jetta/on/carrying%20place/?prx=500&prv=Ontario&loc=k0k1l0&fuel=Diesel&sts=Used&pRng=2000%2c4000&hprc=True (http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/volkswagen/jetta/on/carrying%20place/?prx=500&prv=Ontario&loc=k0k1l0&fuel=Diesel&sts=Used&pRng=2000%2c4000&hprc=True)
Quote from: Rockraven on August 26, 2014, 11:41:55 AM
Check out these mileages (kilometerages?) VW TDi's are indestructible.
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/volkswagen/jetta/on/carrying%20place/?prx=500&prv=Ontario&loc=k0k1l0&fuel=Diesel&sts=Used&pRng=2000%2c4000&hprc=True (http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/volkswagen/jetta/on/carrying%20place/?prx=500&prv=Ontario&loc=k0k1l0&fuel=Diesel&sts=Used&pRng=2000%2c4000&hprc=True)
Unreliable garbage.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 26, 2014, 11:41:55 AM
Check out these mileages (kilometerages?) VW TDi's are indestructible.
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/volkswagen/jetta/on/carrying%20place/?prx=500&prv=Ontario&loc=k0k1l0&fuel=Diesel&sts=Used&pRng=2000%2c4000&hprc=True (http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/volkswagen/jetta/on/carrying%20place/?prx=500&prv=Ontario&loc=k0k1l0&fuel=Diesel&sts=Used&pRng=2000%2c4000&hprc=True)
I wonder what the underbody rust on those cars would look like being in Ontario.
Quote from: veeman on August 26, 2014, 01:13:26 PM
I wonder what the underbody rust on those cars would look like being in Ontario.
Fairly certain VW uses lots of galvanized parts like Volvo used to.
I could definitely live without this 800-rpm engine cutoff. Oh well, if that's what you want, make my day, Punk. I assume you'll be paying for all my smoky burnout tickets...
VW is generally rated pretty highly for their rust resistance. Germans in general seem to have that figured out.
Quote from: MX793 on August 26, 2014, 04:18:34 PM
VW is generally rated pretty highly for their rust resistance. Germans in general seem to have that figured out.
I'm going through the pain of very tough corrosion standards as I write this. German OEMs don't mess around on corrosion.
Quote from: MrH on August 26, 2014, 04:31:34 PM
I'm going through the pain of very tough corrosion standards as I write this. German OEMs don't mess around on corrosion.
Indeed. That's one of my favorite things about the BMW.
They have had some hiccups. OK, one, but it was a biggie.
(http://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/e-class-w210/263457d1374198089-99-w210-spring-perch-failure-repair-odyssey-afterwards-dsc_1447.jpg)
Quote from: Tave on August 26, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
I could definitely live without this 800-rpm engine cutoff. Oh well, if that's what you want, make my day, Punk. I assume you'll be paying for all my smoky burnout tickets...
800 rpm? Kinda low.
Oh my--highway mileage jumped to a tick under 52mpg this morning.
Make that a tick under 53 mpg.
I'm less than 40 miles from the break-in point and unfettered RPM-access...
Quote from: Tave on August 28, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
I'm less than 40 miles from the break-in point and unfettered RPM-access...
Yay! 4,000 RPM!!!!
J/k
Pssshhh!
C'mon guys, give the poor thing its due.
That would be yay, 5,000 RPM!
:lol:
But seriously though it will double the amount of useable powerband. I'm shifting at 3,000 RPMs and have an engine cutoff of 800, feeling a little cramped right now.
I always thought breaking in a modern car was akin to 3000 mile oil changes. Not necessary. Don't many new cars, including sports cars, go on multiple test drives where they're driven aggressively? I've never ever heard a salesman tell anyone to take it easy because the car's engine isn't broken in yet. Seems like it shouldn't apply to modern new cars. All these automags which time 0-60 times on new cars, no one seems to care about it.
Quote from: veeman on August 28, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
I always thought breaking in a modern car was akin to 3000 mile oil changes. Not necessary. Don't many new cars, including sports cars, go on multiple test drives where they're driven aggressively? I've never ever heard a salesman tell anyone to take it easy because the car's engine isn't broken in yet. Seems like it shouldn't apply to modern new cars. All these automags which time 0-60 times on new cars, no one seems to care about it.
The salesman/testdrive issue is like asking your fiancé how many dudes she's banged. Just avoid the issue, follow the instruction manual, and pretend like none of that ever happened. :lol:
Quote from: veeman on August 28, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
I always thought breaking in a modern car was akin to 3000 mile oil changes. Not necessary. Don't many new cars, including sports cars, go on multiple test drives where they're driven aggressively? I've never ever heard a salesman tell anyone to take it easy because the car's engine isn't broken in yet. Seems like it shouldn't apply to modern new cars. All these automags which time 0-60 times on new cars, no one seems to care about it.
I would've thought too - pretty much any new car has seen WOT by lot jockeys, factory drivers, gophers, etc., long before it hits a dealer lot, and premature engine failures are almost unheard of these days. However, checking the user manual for my 2011 G37 it is explicit on break-in, esp. to never exceed 4,000 rpm within the first 1,200 miles, and automakers don't give codified instructions willy-nilly. I tend to lean toward thinking what they're being mindful of isn't engine break-in but problems with belts and driven accessories.
Hmmm. All of the cars I've bought and all of the cars my parents bought in the last 20 or so years, no one at the dealership ever said anything about any break in period. Probably an ideal thing to do with the implicit understanding that it most likely doesn't make any difference. Like life vest or supplemental oxygen instructions every time you take a commercial flight.
Quote from: Tave on August 28, 2014, 05:41:21 PM
The salesman/testdrive issue is like asking your fiancé how many dudes she's banged. Just avoid the issue, follow the instruction manual, and pretend like none of that ever happened. :lol:
LoL
Quote from: Tave on August 28, 2014, 05:41:21 PM
The salesman/testdrive issue is like asking your fiancé how many dudes she's banged. Just avoid the issue, follow the instruction manual, and pretend like none of that ever happened. :lol:
Wait, do you mean to tell me women come with instruction manuals?
WHY WAS I NEVER TOLD THIS?!?!?!?!?
:lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on August 28, 2014, 05:54:05 PM
I would've thought too - pretty much any new car has seen WOT by lot jockeys, factory drivers, gophers, etc., long before it hits a dealer lot, and premature engine failures are almost unheard of these days. However, checking the user manual for my 2011 G37 it is explicit on break-in, esp. to never exceed 4,000 rpm within the first 1,200 miles, and automakers don't give codified instructions willy-nilly. I tend to lean toward thinking what they're being mindful of isn't engine break-in but problems with belts and driven accessories.
Most also advise that you don't dwell at steady RPM for a long period of time. IIRC, my Mustang, and Mazda before it, didn't have an RPM limit during break-in, but did state not to spend prolonged periods cruising at steady RPM for the first ~600 miles.
My bike had both an RPM limit and the "no constant RPM cruising" recommendation. And stupidly, the RPM limit meant I couldn't exceed 60 mph because of the short gearing. I avoided the constant RPM cruising, but didn't adhere as strictly to the RPM limit due to the fact that I was running on roads with 65 mph speed limits.
Quote from: veeman on August 28, 2014, 08:44:33 PM
Hmmm. All of the cars I've bought and all of the cars my parents bought in the last 20 or so years, no one at the dealership ever said anything about any break in period. Probably an ideal thing to do with the implicit understanding that it most likely doesn't make any difference. Like life vest or supplemental oxygen instructions every time you take a commercial flight.
I remember break-in periods being advised for the last three new cars I purchased. 1000 miles for my Passat and Jetta, 2000 miles on my old Boxster.
Maybe because I've bought all my cars on the internet and just go to the dealer to sign stuff and refuse add on warranty bullshit, they don't have any connection with me and don't tell me anything. Maybe because all my Dad ever buys are Chevys and Fords which aren't expected to last very long anyways :lol:
Quote from: veeman on August 28, 2014, 11:53:39 PM
Maybe because I've bought all my cars on the internet and just go to the dealer to sign stuff and refuse add on warranty bullshit, they don't have any connection with me and don't tell me anything. Maybe because all my Dad ever buys are Chevys and Fords which aren't expected to last very long anyways :lol:
Yeah, I can see that. If GMs get to 1000 miles without killing you because of the ignition switch, you just count your lucky stars.
I visited some friends in Baltimore last weekend. Dude's wife drives an Ion. I didn't want to sour the mood but man I was watching that ignition column. I should probably say something.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 29, 2014, 07:14:08 AM
I visited some friends in Baltimore last weekend. Dude's wife drives an Ion. I didn't want to sour the mood but man I was watching that ignition column. I should probably say something.
All ION's aren't going to blow up because of a bad ignition
Quote from: veeman on August 28, 2014, 11:53:39 PM
Maybe because I've bought all my cars on the internet and just go to the dealer to sign stuff and refuse add on warranty bullshit, they don't have any connection with me and don't tell me anything. Maybe because all my Dad ever buys are Chevys and Fords which aren't expected to last very long anyways :lol:
My, my, my...I'll have to glance askew at my (almost) 15 year old Ford that hasn't given me a lick of trouble. It must be waiting for just the right moment to spew its guts out at the most inappropriate moment. :rolleyes:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 29, 2014, 07:14:08 AM
I visited some friends in Baltimore last weekend. Dude's wife drives an Ion. I didn't want to sour the mood but man I was watching that ignition column. I should probably say something.
They've almost certainly heard about the issue and may have even already had the warranty repair done. It's not a particularly terrifying issue as recalls go.
Quote from: ifcar on August 29, 2014, 08:15:44 AM
They've almost certainly heard about the issue and may have even already had the warranty repair done. It's not a particularly terrifying issue as recalls go.
A lot of people don't watch/read/hear the news. Or if they do, it is more the celebrity news. If they do know there was some sort of GM ignition switch debacle, many probably have no idea which particular models were involved. I myself haven't bothered yet to get a recall done on my Sonata or my Enclave from laziness. The recall notices have been filed on my "to do" list for over a year now.
Seriously if they had bought the Ion new, it indicates they don't know a lot about cars unless they got a HUGE discount.
Whew! Close call today. I was driving to court on the interstate when a chunk of sheet metal blew out of a truck in front of me and landed in my lane. The car in front of me managed to swerve but I didn't have enough time so I just centered it and gritted my teeth. Didn't sound that bad but I thought it might have damaged the front lip. Finally reach the parking garage, check it out, and see a huge skid plate covering my entire front underside. There might be the slightest of scuff marks where it beat down the leading flap of the sheet. I'm going to check the rear end when I get home tonight but most of the stress is gone.
sweet!
My dad encountered a tire with wheel in the center of a windy mountain interstate in the dark. Centered on it, was like $1200 in 1992 dollars to get it fixed.. We had JUST bought that (used) Taurus wagon...
Quote from: Tave on September 09, 2014, 11:35:49 AM
Whew! Close call today. I was driving to court on the interstate when a chunk of sheet metal blew out of a truck in front of me and landed in my lane. The car in front of me managed to swerve but I didn't have enough time so I just centered it and gritted my teeth. Didn't sound that bad but I thought it might have damaged the front lip. Finally reach the parking garage, check it out, and see a huge skid plate covering my entire front underside. There might be the slightest of scuff marks where it beat down the leading flap of the sheet. I'm going to check the rear end when I get home tonight but most of the stress is gone.
Helluva thing to happen with a brand new car.
Quote from: FoMoJo on September 09, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
Helluva thing to happen with a brand new car.
Yeesh tell me about it. Best to get all that stuff--your first big pothole, first panic stop, first stall, etc.--out of the way early though so you stop being terrified of every little thing that might go wrong.
Quote from: Tave on September 09, 2014, 08:18:06 PM
Yeesh tell me about it. Best to get all that stuff--your first big pothole, first panic stop, first stall, etc.--out of the way early though so you stop being terrified of every little thing that might go wrong.
First paint scratch, too. As long as it's not
too bad. :lol:
Update:
The ride isn't as punishing as I initially thought. While sometimes unpleasant at low speeds, it quickly turns good whenever you move the needle.
I'm still in love with this engine. It's got just the right amount of character for something in this class while meeting or beating all the performance benchmarks you look at in a people-hauler. Although loud compared to new engines (I'd put it on par with the competition's late model moderate-to-quiet 4-cylinders), it doesn't clutter or stumble like old diesels. It has a deep baritone and sounds really rich. I'm not a fan of the audio on many 4bangers but this one makes me grin. Moving quickly requires zero effort; punch the gas @ 2000 rpm and off you go.
I missed where this turned into a Tave bought a new Jetta TDI thread. Congrats. Mucho jealous. 2000 rpm in Accent I think makes negative torque.
Not quite a year into ownership and I've put over 20,000 on the odometer. She's been perfect for work: almost all my driving is interstate or country highways, and we just gobble up miles; the size gives me plenty of space for passengers and files, provides a stable ride, but isn't too large to navigate around crowded areas; and I don't catch any grief from clients when they see what I drive. I had several criminal defendants offer to find me a replacement for the Aveo. Talk about a blow to your ego.
For personal use, it's been great too, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone who drives mostly in a city and/or drives low miles. It's stable and corners well but is not agile--the extra weight on the nose exaggerates the natural understeer tendencies. That said, the engine/tranny combo is a hoot on back roads and gives you something to play with even if you can't toss it as much as you might like. The interior is fantastic but could have been perfect had they given it some of the minor trim bits from the Sportwagen's dash.
Nice. How has the reliability been? I really like the TDIs. I'd love a Sportwagen.
For some reason I thought you had the 6AT, but then I realized I got you confused with MX793.
So far so good. I had a faulty O2 sensor replaced, and my brakes were emitting an obnoxious noises when cold, but the techs assured me it was just dust/rust being scraped off. Services are slightly more expensive, but the intervals are long, so I think that's pretty much a wash.
The funny thing is that Europe, after promoting diesels for so long, is trying to get away with them and limit their use
BMW 7 series have issues where people who didn't break their cars in properly (not driving them hard) are eating oil/batteries.
Quote from: AltinD on July 29, 2015, 04:58:54 AM
The funny thing is that Europe, after promoting diesels for so long, is trying to get away with them and limit their use
Europe is fighting decades' worth of lax particle-standard diesels. Even the models of the late 90s and early 2000s were noticeably stinky and crude compared to what's out now.
Regardless, I think Europe would naturally want to move away from diesels if not for tax incentives, given that the driving requirements and habits of the average European are probably more suited to a gas engine in the first place.
Quote from: Char on August 12, 2015, 01:34:33 AM
BMW 7 series have issues where people who didn't break their cars in properly (not driving them hard) are eating oil/batteries.
I didn't realize BMW began selling diesel 7's in the US until you said that. Like the idea, too bad about those issues. You'd think BMW would have that 6-cylinder figured out by now, is this the triple turbo thingymahjig?
classmate bought hybrid 7series, it's been in the shop more time than she's had it to drive.
Kid in a '98 Cherokee blew a red light and smacked my front end pretty good. Preliminary estimate is $3,400, we'll see what the actual damage is once his insurance comes through.
Luckily there were cops on scene immediately, and a witness who told them he ran the light.
I'm now the proud renter of a deep purple Charger. Not bad Dodge but yeesh this thing is a boat.
Quote from: Tave on November 21, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
Kid in a '98 Cherokee blew a red light and smacked my front end pretty good. Preliminary estimate is $3,400, we'll see what the actual damage is once his insurance comes through.
Luckily there were cops on scene immediately, and a witness who told them he ran the light.
I'm now the proud renter of a deep purple Charger. Not bad Dodge but yeesh this thing is a boat.
Lucky duck. My rental is a Dodge Journey to the Center of the Earth.
Ouch. Good luck getting it addressed smoothly.
Thanks, I was a little nervous over the weekend because the officer chose not to ticket him. Not that I wanted him to pay a fine or take the points (he could eventually get it dismissed), but it would have made the liability determination more straightforward.
Anyway I let out a sigh of relief this morning when I saw the accident report uploaded and everything in order.
Quote from: Tave on November 23, 2015, 06:58:07 AM
Thanks, I was a little nervous over the weekend because the officer chose not to ticket him. Not that I wanted him to pay a fine or take the points (he could eventually get it dismissed), but it would have made the liability determination more straightforward.
Anyway I let out a sigh of relief this morning when I saw the accident report uploaded and everything in order.
The officer responding to my collision told me flat out, "I don't write tickets unless someone goes to the hospital."
I simply cannot understand that mindset. What about all the damn speeding tickets I have where nothing happened, nobody went to the hospital, and there was no property damage?
But here there is clear negligence, failure to control a vehicle, failure to yield right of way, changing lanes without signaling, clear property damage, and a great possibility that personal harm could have occured (hitting my driver's door). But none of that is worth writing a ticket? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 23, 2015, 07:07:47 AM
The officer responding to my collision told me flat out, "I don't write tickets unless someone goes to the hospital."
I simply cannot understand that mindset. What about all the damn speeding tickets I have where nothing happened, nobody went to the hospital, and there was no property damage?
But here there is clear negligence, failure to control a vehicle, failure to yield right of way, changing lanes without signaling, clear property damage, and a great possibility that personal harm could have occured (hitting my driver's door). But none of that is worth writing a ticket? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
The general pattern here is to ticket when there is clear fault and let the DA sort it out. They usually dismiss the charges if the defendant provides confirmation that his insurer took care of the damage. It's important here because NC is one of the few contributory negligence jurisdictions left. That said it's ultimately the officer's call and I can see why they don't want to mess with tracking a simple accident through court if they can just write a report and be done with it.
Quote from: Tave on November 23, 2015, 07:34:00 AM
The general pattern here is to ticket when there is clear fault and let the DA sort it out. They usually dismiss the charges if the defendant provides confirmation that his insurer took care of the damage. It's important here because NC is one of the few contributory negligence jurisdictions left. That said it's ultimately the officer's call and I can see why they don't want to mess with tracking a simple accident through court if they can just write a report and be done with it.
So instead of justice, I get laziness. Yeah, the system is fucked. Her license should be suspended. People who cause collisions should not drive.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 23, 2015, 07:49:57 AM
So instead of justice, I get laziness. Yeah, the system is fucked. Her license should be suspended. People who cause collisions should not drive.
+1
The appraiser and body shop guy were fairly close in their estimates, so maybe the TDI will be back on the road. We'll see.
In the meantime I'm not loving this Charger. Like the power, like the interior materials, and like the exterior styling: that's about it.
-The ride is decent 80% of the time but too bouncy on uneven surfaces, and bouncy without muffling minor creaks and groans in the suspension (maybe this rental is completely beat to shit, but it hardly has any miles)
-Waaaay too much dead space on the steering rack
-Bad visibility (this is an almost meaningless critique today), but c'mon at least throw a backup camera on there. The dingy sensor dash pictogram is annoying as it is useless. The sound of "imminent collision" is in fact nowhere near so, which leaves you guessing at every close maneuver.
-The 8-speed gets confused in auto mode, and while the manual shifter setting is pleasant to operate from an ergonomic perspective, the response time lags considerably. It tightens up a bit at higher revs; unfortunately, during normal driving it feels cheap
-It's an enormous car but doesn't feel roomy, the empty space is all up top above your shoulders and head. The driver and passenger have plenty of legroom but hardly anything on the sides. The rear passengers sit relatively close to the front seats on a deep, declining bench, leaving them "stuck" against the rear seats. So maybe it would be more accurate to say it feels roomy but room you frustratingly can't reach
-I'm not sure what RWD does for a car this heavy and ponderous, it's natural inclination is to understeer anyway, sure you can flick the rear but I doubt that's the fastest way to get this car anywhere. Feels to me like you could switch it to FWD, gain a ton of room, and sacrifice none of the handling (RWD obviously makes more sense for the lineup as a whole given the bigger optional engines+tires). I'm thinking about taking it out to Tail of the Dragon today, eh...
-The media integration--not going to call the 3" touchscreen an "infotainment system"--predictably sucks. Yet despite it's simplicity it eats up an enormous amount of dash real estate, leaving you with the world's smallest cubbyhole for front seat storage. And it has an ugly face
-Footpedal for the parking/ebrake? Really? Is this 1985?
-The automatic lights go full-moron at dawn and dusk
That's about it for now, I might have some more impressions later in the day if I end up taking that ride.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with no love for the Charger. I'm always perplexed by the positive reviews. I can see liking its character, but its qualities just aren't there.
Apparently they make really good cop cars.
Isn't it still on that old Mercedes platform?
In typical FCA fashion, it looks good, but the details are fucked up because they didn't have enough cash to do it right.
"Murrica!!"
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 29, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
Isn't it still on that old Mercedes platform?
In typical FCA fashion, it looks good, but the details are fucked up because they didn't have enough cash to do it right.
I think the first gen's rear suspension is E-Class based. Don't know about the second gen.
File a diminished Value claim dude, and don't take $500 or some bs either.
Quote from: Char on December 05, 2015, 05:35:59 AM
File a diminished Value claim dude, and don't take $500 or some bs either.
Yeah, this is my next little project in the process. Looking at KBB, I'm not going to hold my breath but we'll see what the experts say. NC has a wrinkle in their law where I have to hit a certain threshhold. We're still not sure the entire extent of the repairs because there was delay accepting liability due to the holiday. The first round of parts should be in on Monday and then they'll start tearing down the front end and really find out all what's wrong with it.
Either way, when all this dust settles I need to focus on what to do with it long-term, which means what is VW going to do for me. I think the smart move is too see what I can get to walk away, but dang I love the car, it really is perfect for what I need.
Quote from: veeman on November 29, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
Apparently they make really good cop cars.
They are about as good of cop cars as Harleys are good cop bikes (i.e. terrible)
Seems like cops are more concerned with image than practicality. Toyota needs to put an angry face on an Avalon.
Uuuuuugh...still about two weeks out. The front end shifted and they're "trying to figure out the best way to fix it." I'm keeping my fingers crossed that means it might still be totaled.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 06, 2015, 08:38:53 AM
They are about as good of cop cars as Harleys are good cop bikes (i.e. terrible)
Seems like cops are more concerned with image than practicality. Toyota needs to put an angry face on an Avalon.
I believe police forces in the US have a "buy American" directive whereby they are strongly encouraged to buy domestic vehicles unless no viable domestic product exists that will fit the need.
Do they look at domestic content, or just the badge?
Quote from: Laconian on December 17, 2015, 04:27:49 PM
Do they look at domestic content, or just the badge?
I'm not sure.
There are some departments that use foreign motorcycles (Kawasakis, Yamahas, BMWs, and Hondas), though H-Ds are still pretty popular for that purpose. Really, speed and handling aren't super critical for a police bike because they aren't intended to be used as pursuit vehicles or interceptors. Way too dangerous to the officer to attempt to enter a chase on a bike for a variety of reasons. Their main benefit is their ability to split lanes and slip through grid-locked traffic to respond to accidents or emergencies.
I think the only foreign cars I've seen in police fleets were assets seized from criminals and re-purposed for police work.
(http://img10.deviantart.net/6820/i/2010/101/d/2/nypd_7455_by_seangulden.jpg)
But it's a rare exception, of course.
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q36/MadmanOfThePeople/001-4.jpg?t=1354143374)
There are at least a couple of these Passat police cruisers in my area. Strange choice, if you ask me.
Then again, this Passat is as anonymous looking as the Impala parked next to it, so maybe it's not so strange after all.
I imagine it's because the Passats are being built nearby?
Quote from: ifcar on December 18, 2015, 07:38:48 AM
I imagine it's because the Passats are being built nearby?
Only if you count 140 miles away as being "nearby". The former Saturn plant in Spring Hill, which currently builds the Chevrolet Equinox, is only 35 miles away. Also close by is Nissan's giant facility in Smyrna (28 miles), not to mention their American corporate headquarters in Franklin (14 miles). Volkswagen's factory in Chattanooga is too far away to have any direct impact on our local economy.
If our cops really wanted to "Buy Local", they'd be driving Nissan Altimas.
Maybe VW offered them at a one-time discount to Tennessee municipalities to celebrate the opening of the plant. It seems like too much to be a coincidence.
Quote from: ifcar on December 17, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
(http://img10.deviantart.net/6820/i/2010/101/d/2/nypd_7455_by_seangulden.jpg)
But it's a rare exception, of course.
Those are fairly common, actually.
The Prius' are traffic enforcement cop cars only in NYC - parking tickets, directing traffic, etc. I don't think they're used as pursuit vehicles.
Lots of jurisdictions have police cars in their fleet that aren't pursuit-rated. I know Baltimore has a bunch of Fusions and Escapes, and they'll just use their radios to summon a Caprice or Charger if needed.
Quote from: ifcar on December 24, 2015, 09:26:59 AM
Lots of jurisdictions have police cars in their fleet that aren't pursuit-rated. I know Baltimore has a bunch of Fusions and Escapes, and they'll just use their radios to summon a Caprice or Charger if needed.
Yeah... which goes to the original point that apparently Chargers make good cop cars. I guess you can feel more comfortable jumping a curb and ramming a car in a Charger compared with an Escape or Fusion. It's a Man's car. I suppose a good pursuit vehicle should have an appropriately large footprint and mass, be fast enough, and be cheap to repair to hang with the bad guys.
After a blistering whirlwind two months, the Jetta finally returned to service yesterday. Total costs tallied about a grand over the initial estimate, so it appears the long delay was not caused by any significant, unknown, structural issues with the vehicle.
The new front end looks beautiful and it drives well (haven't taken it on the highway though). Still not sure what I'm going to do with it long-term, but I'm happy that the accident is behind me. And the Charger.
Oh the Charger. I mentioned the sloppy steering--going back to the Jetta makes me understand just how bad it truly was. By the time I finished taking my TDI on some errands last night, my biceps/forearms could feel the additional work required to operate the extra weight of the steering wheel. I've never experienced anything like it, felt as if I'd just done a set of dumbbell curls at the gym.
The ride in mine (which I haven't been a huge fan of) is leaps and bounds ahead of the Charger too.
Brakes - mine
Power - Turdbucket
Handling - pffft!
Ride - mine
Transmission - mine
Seating - Turdbucket
Surfaces - Turdbucket
Design - mine
Dash - mine
Equipment - mine
Build Quality - mine
Quote from: Tave on January 15, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
After a blistering whirlwind two months, the Jetta finally returned to service yesterday. Total costs tallied about a grand over the initial estimate, so it appears the long delay was not caused by any significant, unknown, structural issues with the vehicle.
The new front end looks beautiful and it drives well (haven't taken it on the highway though). Still not sure what I'm going to do with it long-term, but I'm happy that the accident is behind me. And the Charger.
Oh the Charger. I mentioned the sloppy steering--going back to the Jetta makes me understand just how bad it truly was. By the time I finished taking my TDI on some errands last night, my biceps/forearms could feel the additional work required to operate the extra weight of the steering wheel. I've never experienced anything like it, felt as if I'd just done a set of dumbbell curls at the gym.
The ride in mine (which I haven't been a huge fan of) is leaps and bounds ahead of the Charger too.
Brakes - mine
Power - Turdbucket
Handling - pffft!
Ride - mine
Transmission - mine
Seating - Turdbucket
Surfaces - Turdbucket
Design - mine
Dash - mine
Equipment - mine
Build Quality - mine
Emissions - Turdbucket
Fixed. :devil:
Glad to hear you got your car back. :cheers:
Quote from: thecarnut on January 15, 2016, 12:17:51 PM
Fixed. :devil:
Glad to hear you got your car back. :cheers:
:cheers: :partyon:
Quote from: Tave on January 15, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
By the time I finished taking my TDI on some errands last night, my biceps/forearms could feel the additional work required to operate the extra weight of the steering wheel. I've never experienced anything like it, felt as if I'd just done a set of dumbbell curls at the gym.
:lol:
I've had that happen while driving go-karts before.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 15, 2016, 03:45:51 PM
:lol:
I've had that happen while driving go-karts before.
It happened to me when I switched from the E320 to the Passat.
Unassisted VW Beetle steering is a joy-filled workout.
During the East Coast snowstorm last week, we got a fair bit of sleet. It managed to work its way into the bolt holding my driver's side windshield wiper, and loosened it enough to pop the lock-cap off and the motor wasn't catching. I found the lock cap buried in the snow on my windshield but couldn't set it flush (didn't realize the ice had raised the bolt), and thought the whole assembly was busted so I took it in. Weird.
Anyway, they gave me a new Golf tdi (weren't they suppose to stop sale??) as a loaner. While it's true that some of the interior trim bits have been upgraded, and it gets slightly better mileage than mine, I prefer the Jetta. The interior design is much smarter and elegant overall so the minor trim bits don't give the Golf an edge; the Jetta has more useful cargo space, while I'm sure there are theoretically probably items that might only fit in the Golf, practically the Jetta has more, and; the Golf is louder (not the engine, NVH and interior rattle) and doesn't ride as well.
The DSG tries its best but is a bad fit for this engine. Stick with a stick.
I wonder if many dealers have shifted their un-sellable TDIs into the loaner fleets. Makes sense if it's allowed.
Not a bad option...super efficient loaner fleet.
When VW and the EPA eventually do reach an agreement regarding acceptable fixes for the TDI, the ones currently collecting dust on dealer lots will be heavily discounted. Not very appealing to buy a "new" car with a sullied engine.
I wonder if Panamera Diesels are being discounted? I'd love one of those.
I'd get a TDI Golf, no question. Are they free yet?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 31, 2016, 12:33:22 PM
I'd get a TDI Golf, no question. Are they free yet?
Yeah, a heavily discounted Golf TDI actually sounds pretty good.
New title says it all--
Brz/86
124/miata
WRX
GTi
Others?
More practical fun,
Mazda6
Wrangler
GolfWagen/Tiguan
Others?
Whattup Tave? I would say Versa Sport, but I can't not say BRZ86.
I think I might buy a Fiat.
God help me.
God help us all.
Why on Google Earfh would you buy a Fiat.... resale is going to be abysmal once they cease US operations (you know it's coming)
Plus can you fit in the Fiata?
Does it have to be new? There are so many awesome used cars in that price range.
Quote from: Tave on November 06, 2016, 09:42:54 AM
I think I might buy a Fiat.
God help me.
God help us all.
Oh, dear.
Miata for sure. The fiata has a lump of an engine. Runs a turbo with some ungodly amount of boost, no DI, no variable valve lift, all to be slower than the NA miata. Not worth the headache
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 06, 2016, 09:49:00 AM
Why on Google Earfh would you buy a Fiat.... resale is going to be abysmal once they cease US operations (you know it's coming)
Plus can you fit in the Fiata?
Does it have to be new? There are so many awesome used cars in that price range.
On the plus side, an overstocked dealer might be eager to discount.
The biggest negative against the 124 is that the Miata exists, so that's it's benchmark. On its own, it's still a great little car.
Quote from: ifcar on November 06, 2016, 10:06:30 AM
On the plus side, an overstocked dealer might be eager to discount.
They're still charging $5-8k over MSRP up here, and I still haven't seen one on the road.
S2000
Miata
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 06, 2016, 09:49:00 AM
Why on Google Earfh would you buy a Fiat.... resale is going to be abysmal once they cease US operations (you know it's coming)
Plus can you fit in the Fiata?
Does it have to be new? There are so many awesome used cars in that price range.
New is preferred.
After this disaster with VW I'm past the point of caring about dealer support. It's made on a Mazda line I'm sure they can fix it anyway.
No idea if I can put myself in it, that's the only deal breaker. It looks like an easier fit that the Miata but I understand interior dimensions are unchanged.
If you absolutely must.... get a used Abarth
I would definitely get the Miata though. Everything that's different about it is better
I was gonna suggest the GTI but :mask: It's still the best in class though and I'm certain VW dealers will play hardball
It's using 22 psi of boost to be slower than the Miata. That engine is a turd.
I've watched some reviews of taller guys who say the Fiat's seats are slightly flatter and give you a little extra headroom and legroom over the Mazda.
Quote from: MrH on November 06, 2016, 10:48:24 AM
It's using 22 psi of boost to be slower than the Miata. That engine is a turd.
Wait what???? That thing runs 22psi?????
My Sonic runs about 12PSI, and gets 138HP a more forgiving torque curve.
Quote from: MrH on November 06, 2016, 10:48:24 AM
It's using 22 psi of boost to be slower than the Miata. That engine is a turd.
Meh--slower off the line but just as fast at speed and around tight roads. Big whoop. No one buys either for the acceleration. They're both faster than my TDI which is plenty fast for me.
I'm not going to be able to daily drive a Miata, both because it's a Miata, but also because this new one is a little frenetic and aggressive on the back end. The Fiat seems like something I could actually live with and drive around for work.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 06, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Wait what???? That thing runs 22psi?????
My Sonic runs about 12PSI, and gets 138HP a more forgiving torque curve.
Lol yeah. No direct injection, multi air is a turd of a setup. People talk about this being a flash away from huge power. I wouldn't trust an FCA engine flashed to 30 psi. Who knows if that little turbo can even flow that much at higher revs.
Lol I'm not going to flash the engine.
Emailed the local dealer. I might see what they can do on getting an base Abarth--right now they're selling a Lusso in manual for under 28K but if I could get the Abarth for right about there, that's a really tempting.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 06, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Wait what???? That thing runs 22psi?????
My Sonic runs about 12PSI, and gets 138HP a more forgiving torque curve.
109 HP on 0 PSI. Guess who has the least shitty engine ... :praise:
Irregardless of shittyness ...
https://youtu.be/6iVSlKtezx8
Quote from: 2o6 on November 06, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
Wait what???? That thing runs 22psi?????
My Sonic runs about 12PSI, and gets 138HP a more forgiving torque curve.
Yes. The 500 Abarth runs only slightly less than that.
I have a feeling the complaints about the engine have been overstated given the fact that the same plant has received mostly great reviews in its other applications. Not to mention most of the reviewers have been very favorable overall.
People expected it to sound like the Abarth and I get that it would be great to hear some more burble, but they also have an option for that.
Quote from: Tave on November 06, 2016, 01:25:47 PM
I have a feeling the complaints about the engine have been overstated given the fact that the same plant has received mostly great reviews in its other applications. Not to mention most of the reviewers have been very favorable overall.
People expected it to sound like the Abarth and I get that it would be great to hear some more burble, but they also have an option for that.
Outside of the 500 Abarth, what other applications is that engine praised in?
Good comparo by MT's Jason Cammisa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wFuuAfYdnw
Quote from: MX793 on November 06, 2016, 01:38:43 PM
Outside of the 500 Abarth, what other applications is that engine praised in?
Mito
Didn't it and the Twinair derivative win a couple awards recently?
Quote from: Tave on November 06, 2016, 02:10:05 PM
Mito
Didn't it and the Twinair derivative win a couple awards recently?
Like 5-6 years ago, they won "Best New Engine" awards. Granted, they may have been nearly the only "new engines" for their respective years.
Quote from: MX793 on November 06, 2016, 02:37:25 PM
Like 5-6 years ago, they won "Best New Engine" awards. Granted, they may have been nearly the only "new engines" for their respective years.
True, I guess people have been gushing so much over the 500 Abarth it's just hard to imagine it being THAT bad in a lightweight RWD roadster just because they muted the exhaust note. Undoubtably Mazda's engine feels more integrated, but I keep coming back to the fact that most reviews seem to love the thing even when they complain about the turbo lag. And some reviews don't say anything about the lag and praise the Fiat for feeling more powerful.
Quote from: Tave on November 06, 2016, 02:44:33 PM
True, I guess people have been gushing so much over the 500 Abarth it's just hard to imagine it being THAT bad in a lightweight RWD roadster just because they muted the exhaust note. Undoubtably Mazda's engine feels more integrated, but I keep coming back to the fact that most reviews seem to love the thing even when they complain about the turbo lag. And some reviews don't say anything about the lag and praise the Fiat for feeling more powerful.
All the reviews say the same thing... lag off the line, lots of mid-range punch, power falls off above 5500 rpm. So basically, the power is there 95% of the time. Sure, it's fun to redline the Miata, but you really don't do that often. The consensus is also that the 124 has the better suspension tune, and the interior is more upscale. In the video I posted above, the 124 and Miata had identical autocross times... the Miata was faster on the straight, the 124 tighter in the corners.
Keep in mind, that wasn't a Club Miata. Different damping, spring rates, and an LSD in the club. It'll likely be quicker than both.
This is happening whether we like it or not. Mite as well enjoy the ride
Quote from: MrH on November 06, 2016, 06:18:24 PM
Keep in mind, that wasn't a Club Miata. Different damping, spring rates, and an LSD in the club. It'll likely be quicker than both.
... and it wasn't an Abarth. :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 06, 2016, 06:56:32 PM
This is happening whether we like it or not. Mite as well enjoy the ride
I'd love a Miata, but I think I still want a 124 Spider even more.
The MT guy's comments about the Miata being a pain to drive on back roads really bums me out. That was the whole heart and soul of the older cars, you know?
Quote from: Rupert on November 06, 2016, 07:25:37 PM
The MT guy's comments about the Miata being a pain to drive on back roads really bums me out. That was the whole heart and soul of the older cars, you know?
He didn't say it was a pain, but he definitely liked the NC better.
No, he didn't say "pain", but I think that was an accurate summation of what he did say.
Raise it up a bit and downsize the tires. Wheels and slight drop will make a huge difference for these cars I think.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5636/30831287055_e3b457f9ec_b.jpg)
I'd do the 124 over the Miata, too. Looks so much better.
Like the original 124, the new one begs to be lowered.
That red car is pretty. Is it fast?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 07, 2016, 04:46:30 AM
That red car is pretty. Is it fast?
Do you consider a Miata fast?
Quote from: 68_427 on November 07, 2016, 05:08:23 AM
Do you consider a Miata fast?
Miatas are the fastest.
Quote from: Rupert on November 06, 2016, 10:05:22 PM
No, he didn't say "pain", but I think that was an accurate summation of what he did say.
"Flawed" or "a handful" might be more appropriate. I also suspect that the described behavior requires you be pushing the car pretty hard. Harder than most would dare drive on the street.
Quote from: MrH on November 06, 2016, 06:18:24 PM
Keep in mind, that wasn't a Club Miata. Different damping, spring rates, and an LSD in the club. It'll likely be quicker than both.
According to everything I've read, the Club does not get different springs. Just dampers, which aren't that much stiffer. It also doesn't get the one suspension upgrade that it really needs: stiffer sway bars.
Stiffer suspension is an easy + cheap fix
An engine making 160 HP at 22 PSI isn't :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 06, 2016, 06:56:32 PM
This is happening whether we like it or not. Might as well enjoy the ride
Yep.
I hope Tave still test drives both, though. And a bunch of other cars too.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 07, 2016, 06:52:23 AM
Stiffer suspension is an easy + cheap fix
An engine making 160 HP at 22 PSI isn't :lol:
I'm guessing from the dyno plots that that 22 psi shows up briefly in the midrange, like around 3000 rpm, then drops sharply as the torque curve falls off. It's not making anywhere near 22 psi at peak power. If it is, the motor has serious flow issues in the head.
The more I think about it, the more the power delivery characteristics of many of these newer turbo motors reminds me of the choked V8s of the malaise era. Gobs of low to midrange grunt, then run out of breath at 5000 RPM.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 07, 2016, 06:52:23 AM
Stiffer suspension is an easy + cheap fix
An engine making 160 HP at 22 PSI isn't :lol:
The fix is a bigger turbo with the same CFM at a lower boost PSI. That would be similar in cost and complexity as suspension mods. For an additional grand or so, a factory Magnetti Marelli chipset would bring you 190-200 hp with the standard turbo, and 230+hp with the larger turbo.
Quote from: MX793 on November 07, 2016, 07:28:04 AM
I'm guessing from the dyno plots that that 22 psi shows up briefly in the midrange, like around 3000 rpm, then drops sharply as the torque curve falls off. It's not making anywhere near 22 psi at peak power. If it is, the motor has serious flow issues in the head.
The more I think about it, the more the power delivery characteristics of many of these newer turbo motors reminds me of the choked V8s of the malaise era. Gobs of low to midrange grunt, then run out of breath at 5000 RPM.
Valve float?
...what? A larger turbo isn't going to move more CFM at a lower boost PSI if the engine is the same still. The CFM and boost are correlated if the engine stays the same.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 06, 2016, 07:03:42 PM
... and it wasn't an Abarth. :huh:
That's true. You know, the more I think about it, I don't think I've read a review of the Abarth yet?
Quote from: MrH on November 07, 2016, 07:32:35 AM
...what? A larger turbo isn't going to move more CFM at a lower boost PSI if the engine is the same still. The CFM and boost are correlated if the engine stays the same.
I said same CFM, not more. Yes, CFM and boost are directly proportional. A larger turbo can deliver the same CFM, but it'll do it at a proportionally smaller PSI.
The engine is the bottle neck here. If you want to maintain CFM while lowering boost, you need the engine to flow better. Unless you're implying the turbo runs out of steam, at which case the boost will fall off.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 07, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
Valve float?
Those old engines could rev higher, but the head design (valve sizing, cam profile, port size and design) was such that they couldn't breathe effectively at higher speeds, resulting in poor volumetric efficiency and poor power production at higher RPM.
Engine in the Fiata debuted in the 80s... I'm pretty sure it was designed for the OG Panda, which was a car for developing markets
Any talk of it's potential is :wtf:
A bigger turbo for 230 crank HP? Miata can do about that with a much less invasive/dangerous/expensive header + tune:
http://www.openflashtablet.com/esc-development/
While weighing what... 200lb or more importantly ~8-9% less? Fiata has to be a 100% emotional choice, it is inferior to the Miata by every objective measure
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 07, 2016, 08:11:58 AM
Engine in the Fiata debuted in the 80s... I'm pretty sure it was designed for the OG Panda, which was a car for developing markets
Any talk of it's potential is :wtf:
A bigger turbo for 230 crank HP? Miata can do about that with a much less invasive/dangerous/expensive header + tune:
http://www.openflashtablet.com/esc-development/
While weighing what... 200lb or more importantly ~8-9% less? Fiata has to be a 100% emotional choice, it is inferior to the Miata by every objective measure
Char? Is that you?
Quote from: MX793 on November 07, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
Those old engines could rev higher, but the head design (valve sizing, cam profile, port size and design) was such that they couldn't breathe effectively at higher speeds, resulting in poor volumetric efficiency and poor power production at higher RPM.
I guess it depends on what old V8s that you're referring to. Most, in their lifetimes of daily driving, likely, never exceeded 3000 rpm. Those designed for performance had much better flowing heads.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 06, 2016, 10:17:36 PM
Raise it up a bit and downsize the tires. Wheels and slight drop will make a huge difference for these cars I think.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5636/30831287055_e3b457f9ec_b.jpg)
That looks so dumb. lol
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 07, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
Miata > Fiata :huh:
That's like saying that celery > carrots :huh:.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 07, 2016, 08:11:58 AM
Engine in the Fiata debuted in the 80s... I'm pretty sure it was designed for the OG Panda, which was a car for developing markets
Any talk of it's potential is :wtf:
A bigger turbo for 230 crank HP? Miata can do about that with a much less invasive/dangerous/expensive header + tune:
http://www.openflashtablet.com/esc-development/
While weighing what... 200lb or more importantly ~8-9% less? Fiata has to be a 100% emotional choice, it is inferior to the Miata by every objective measure
Pretty sure it debuted in 2010 w/ Multiair and the earliest 16v iteration was in 2005.
Quote from: MrH on November 06, 2016, 10:03:07 AM
Miata for sure. The fiata has a lump of an engine. Runs a turbo with some ungodly amount of boost, no DI, no variable valve lift, all to be slower than the NA miata. Not worth the headache
It has VVL doesn't it? Or Fiat's equivalent.
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 12:36:10 PM
Pretty sure it debuted in 2010 w/ Multiair and the earliest 16v iteration was in 2005.
The FIRE engine came out in the mid 80s. It was upgraded with the MultiAir heads in 2010, but wasn't a ground-up new motor.
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 12:43:45 PM
It has VVL doesn't it? Or Fiat's equivalent.
I think the way it works it's basically VVT, but not VVL. It can change when the valves open, but can't really change lift. I remember reading about it a few years back, but it's been awhile.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 07, 2016, 11:51:58 AM
That's like saying that celery > carrots :huh:.
Oh man ... I really couldn't pick one over the other.
Ok, celery.
Quote from: MX793 on November 07, 2016, 12:45:40 PM
The FIRE engine came out in the mid 80s. It was upgraded with the MultiAir heads in 2010, but wasn't a ground-up new motor.
Doesn't FIRE refer more to the process than the product? They didn't offer a 1.4 till 2003. Also I think the 1.4L Multiair is using a Chrysler/Rover/BMW mill.
Quote from: MrH on November 07, 2016, 12:53:12 PM
I think the way it works it's basically VVT, but not VVL. It can change when the valves open, but can't really change lift. I remember reading about it a few years back, but it's been awhile.
Hard to find a clear answer given how little the motoring media understands either.
This article would seem to indicate it can actuate both lift and timing: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/multi-air.html (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/multi-air.html)
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
Hard to find a clear answer given how little the motoring media understands either.
This article would seem to indicate it can actuate both lift and timing: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/multi-air.html (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/multi-air.html)
I guess my take away from the technology is: It can't flow too well, if it takes 22 psi to make 160 hp :lol:
Quote from: MrH on November 07, 2016, 02:01:09 PM
I guess my take away from the technology is: It can't flow too well, if it takes 22 psi to make 160 hp :lol:
160 hp from just 1.4l is pretty good.
I'm really psyching myself into this.
Talked to the dealership this morning. Someone just put a deposit down on the model I was looking at, but they said they'd let me know if the guy didn't take his scheduled delivery on Friday.
Might be for the best as the black exterior isn't my favorite. She said they have pretty decent availability in our area and the Abarths should be in by the end of the month. Also said wait times for custom orders were right around 6-8 weeks.
VW had to reset my claim to switch my preference from the modification to the buy back, so that pushes my timeline back a little.
Thinking about just seeing if they have any red Lusso's w/ the tan interior and stick anywhere in the area. The Abarth is so tempting but I'm a little hesitant to go that route if I'm choosing the 124, in part, because it seems easier to live with than the Miata.
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 02:10:56 PM
I'm really psyching myself into this.
Talked to the dealership this morning. Someone just put a deposit down on the model I was looking at, but they said they'd let me know if the guy didn't take his scheduled delivery on Friday.
Might be for the best as the black exterior isn't my favorite. She said they have pretty decent availability in our area and the Abarths should be in by the end of the month. Also said wait times for custom orders were right around 6-8 weeks.
VW had to reset my claim to switch my preference from the modification to the buy back, so that pushes my timeline back a little.
Thinking about just seeing if they have any red Lusso's w/ the tan interior and stick anywhere in the area. The Abarth is so tempting but I'm a little hesitant to go that route if I'm choosing the 124, in part, because it seems easier to live with than the Miata.
Basic red Classica like in my sig is the way I'd go. The Lusso has a silver windshield surround that I don't like as much as the body colour of the Classica. With the money saved I'd look at a chipset and Mopar exhaust.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 07, 2016, 02:16:25 PM
Basic red Classica like in my sig is the way I'd go. The Lusso has a silver windshield surround that I don't like as much as the body colour of the Classica. With the money saved I'd look at a chipset and Mopar exhaust.
Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of that either, especially in black, but I think I could live with it on the other colors. I'll take the nicer interior and equipment if it's going to be my only ride, that red/tan color combo is the bee's knees.
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 02:25:19 PM
Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of that either, especially in black, but I think I could live with it on the other colors. I'll take the nicer interior and equipment if it's going to be my only ride, that red/tan color combo is the bee's knees.
Yes, love the tan interior
Quote from: Rockraven on November 07, 2016, 02:05:57 PM
160 hp from just 1.4l is pretty good.
In this day and age, it's pretty average for a turbocharged engine. And at that boost pressure... GM's 2.0t has better specific output (both power and torque) and makes do with only ~16 psi. Their 1.5T in the new Malibu is pretty similar specific output (same power and torque) and only 17 psi.
Quote from: Tave on November 06, 2016, 09:42:54 AM
I think I might buy a Fiat.
God help me.
God help us all.
500 Abarth?
Quote from: Raza on November 07, 2016, 08:04:43 PM
500 Abarth?
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/06/2017-Fiat-124-Spider-Lusso-front-three-quarter-in-motion-01.jpg)
Or
(http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Images/PageFiles/30622/zAbarth124_6.jpg)
Red. It looks like a baby Furrari.
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 08:33:43 PM
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/06/2017-Fiat-124-Spider-Lusso-front-three-quarter-in-motion-01.jpg)
Or
(http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Images/PageFiles/30622/zAbarth124_6.jpg)
500 Abarth.
(http://azr.cdnmedia.autotrader.ca/1/photos/201505/3122/5643/0b349ffa-1b8c-48eb-8973-b77d1ff5d436.jpg)
I like the white with red accents. That's a good look
Quote from: Raza on November 07, 2016, 08:36:19 PM
500 Abarth.
Dude you're the convertible man! I need more people talking me into buying a two seat roadster for my only car, not less.
Plus my buddy across the street has the 500 Abarth and we'd look pretty silly parking the same quirky car next to each other.
Plus I checked a couple out at the Fiat dealer and holy shit can they sticker high.
Quote from: MX793 on November 07, 2016, 05:56:22 AM
"Flawed" or "a handful" might be more appropriate. I also suspect that the described behavior requires you be pushing the car pretty hard. Harder than most would dare drive on the street.
Nah, "pain" was perfectly appropriate. ;)
Could be, it's not like I would order one before driving it anyway.
Quote from: Tave on November 07, 2016, 08:46:30 PM
Dude you're the convertible man! I need more people talking me into buying a two seat roadster for my only car, not less.
Plus my buddy across the street has the 500 Abarth and we'd look pretty silly parking the same quirky car next to each other.
Plus I checked a couple out at the Fiat dealer and holy shit can they sticker high.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/07/002-2013-fiat-500-abarth-cabrio-quick-spin.jpg)
:lol:
Of those two I would go with the 124 Abarth for sure. But personally I think the Miata is a nicer looking car (mainly because of tidier proportions) and given similar power outputs I would go with normally aspirated.
Going to drop by the dealership to see if they have one I can sit in to check out the ergos and maybe take for a spin.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on November 08, 2016, 04:41:51 AM
Of those two I would go with the 124 Abarth for sure. But personally I think the Miata is a nicer looking car (mainly because of tidier proportions) and given similar power outputs I would go with normally aspirated.
+1 ... I see no appeal of getting a Fiat over a miata
Ooooooooh boy, the fit feels pretty good. I was nervous because when I sat in the NC the cowl fell right in the middle of my sightline, my legs cramped up, and my head scraped the roof.
In the 124, I have plenty of legroom, the seating position is in a perfect spot (although no space to recline means it's very upright, which is fine by me, could turn others off). Head space is limited with the top up but more so fore and aft: clearance directly overhead is acceptable.
I think the deal-breaker for most people my size or shorter would be width. Thankfully I'm a pretty trim guy, if I had another 30 pounds on my gut I don't know if I could do it.
Quote from: r0tor on November 12, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
+1 ... I see no appeal of getting a Fiat over a miata
No appeal?
It's quieter, rides nicer, looks more like a "real car" (totally subjective I know), has more low end grunt, and still handles better than 99.9% of cars on the planet.
It's also about 3 grand cheaper at the specs I want.
Quote from: Tave on November 12, 2016, 12:31:51 PM
No appeal?
It's quieter, rides nicer, looks more like a "real car" (totally subjective I know), has more low end grunt, and still handles better than 99.9% of cars on the planet.
It's also about 3 grand cheaper at the specs I want.
IMO it looks terrible next to the Miata, handles worse, and I would rather have a nice NA engine... plus its filled with Fiat shit to continually break. But whatever floats your boat -shrug-
I am in no place to argue against this purchase. Hopefully you will let me test drive it when you get it.
Quote from: r0tor on November 13, 2016, 03:35:05 PM
IMO it looks terrible next to the Miata, handles worse, and I would rather have a nice NA engine... plus its filled with Fiat shit to continually break. But whatever floats your boat -shrug-
I think the new Miata looks cool, but I prefer the Fiat, especially the extra visual mass over the intercooler and rear deck.
Everything I've read about the handling has been positive, just sounds like a flatter setup. Seems like a preference thing to me. Given that it's going to be my only car, I think I'd appreciate the Fiat's handling characteristics, but the Mazda has a lot of appeal for a pure toy.
I totally understand the appeal of the NA in the Miata. Coming out of the TDI, the lag and power profiles don't bother me. The engine is the one thing that gives me pause, but more so to your last point. I'm not super worried about reliability: the only Fiat parts are the exterior panels, interior leather, and the engine/essentials. But that last one is a big one.
I know it sounds like a stupid reason, but I'm simply going to look ridiculous sitting in or standing to the MX-5. Like a circus elephant on a tricycle. If I come around to it I might give it a shot--I like the NA engine, the lighter weight, and the fact that it's a fully-integrated design.
I don't get the hate for the Fiat's styling. Haven't seen one in person, but in photos it looks very classically proportioned. Don't get me wrong, I think the ND is a sharp-looking car as well (save the tail lamps), but the Fiat looks good in its own right.
Quote from: MX793 on November 13, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
I don't get the hate for the Fiat's styling. Haven't seen one in person, but in photos it looks very classically proportioned. Don't get me wrong, I think the ND is a sharp-looking car as well (save the tail lamps), but the Fiat looks good in its own right.
FWIW I think both look good, just that the Miata looks better. Purely a subjective opinion on part.
Maybe the Mazda is a better car but the Fiat is more visually interesting just because it's new to the American market and that in itself is a good reason to get it. I think that's a big part of its appeal over the Mazda.
Quote from: MX793 on November 13, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
I don't get the hate for the Fiat's styling. Haven't seen one in person, but in photos it looks very classically proportioned. Don't get me wrong, I think the ND is a sharp-looking car as well (save the tail lamps), but the Fiat looks good in its own right.
Agreed.
My biggest issue with the looks on the miata is the tons of chrome badging on the back that are put on with locating pins too. Can't even take them off without leaving holes :rage:
Quote from: MrH on November 14, 2016, 07:50:24 AM
My biggest issue with the looks on the miata is the tons of chrome badging on the back that are put on with locating pins too. Can't even take them off without leaving holes :rage:
Paint or plasti-dip them black.
After a bit of reflection it might be a closer call than I thought.
The base 124 Lusso is about 3 grand cheaper than the Miata Grand Tourer. However, the Bose system and a lot of the safety/lighting tech is standard on the Mazda but a--you guessed it--3 grand option on the Fiat.
None of that stuff is a deal breaker for me (be nice if the stereo/satnav was a standalone option, it's whatever), but it puts the pricing into a little bit better perspective.
It also makes the Abarth an interesting value proposition: for hardly any more than the Lusso, you get a leather interior, upgraded suspension, electronic differential, and can spring for the optional brembos and still keep it under MSRP on the Grand Tourer. Unfortunately, the M/T Abarths may not start hitting the showrooms until spring, according to the salesman I spoke with, and I'm a little worried about how it'd be to daily-drive.
All that said, I've been reading/watching a lot of reviews for both and it's hard to overlook how giddy the Miata makes people. I'm going to swing by the dealership and see if the Miata's seats would prevent me from driving it, and then maybe see if I can come to grips with the styling.
What about a Miata club, no BBS/Brembo pack? That's what I would go for probably. You can get leftover 2016s for cheap right now (like $27k).
Grand Touring has leather and blindspot garbage, but nothing super critical. Club package gets you an LSD, which is a must-have IMO.
Leather seats are a sticking point for me, especially in a car that impractical that has to be a daily driver.
Prefer the way it looks, feels, cleans, smells.....can't really think of a good idea not to have it.
The track bits and goodies don't move the needle too much for me--the only reason I'd consider the Abarth is because I think it looks awesome and the Fiat starts with a more composed ride to begin with, so I assume it isn't much of a sacrifice.
Yeah kind of weird how miata splits the performance options from their GT model.
Quote from: Tave on November 14, 2016, 06:18:52 PM
Leather seats are a sticking point for me, especially in a car that impractical that has to be a daily driver.
Prefer the way it looks, feels, cleans, smells.....can't really think of a good idea not to have it.
The track bits and goodies don't move the needle too much for me--the only reason I'd consider the Abarth is because I think it looks awesome and the Fiat starts with a more composed ride to begin with, so I assume it isn't much of a sacrifice.
Well, in that case get an Abarth with the red leather seats. Those are bad ass. They have a Recaro option too I think, but those are black only I think.
Quote from: Tave on November 14, 2016, 02:20:34 PM
After a bit of reflection it might be a closer call than I thought.
The base 124 Lusso is about 3 grand cheaper than the Miata Grand Tourer. However, the Bose system and a lot of the safety/lighting tech is standard on the Mazda but a--you guessed it--3 grand option on the Fiat.
None of that stuff is a deal breaker for me (be nice if the stereo/satnav was a standalone option, it's whatever), but it puts the pricing into a little bit better perspective.
It also makes the Abarth an interesting value proposition: for hardly any more than the Lusso, you get a leather interior, upgraded suspension, electronic differential, and can spring for the optional brembos and still keep it under MSRP on the Grand Tourer. Unfortunately, the M/T Abarths may not start hitting the showrooms until spring, according to the salesman I spoke with, and I'm a little worried about how it'd be to daily-drive.
All that said, I've been reading/watching a lot of reviews for both and it's hard to overlook how giddy the Miata makes people. I'm going to swing by the dealership and see if the Miata's seats would prevent me from driving it, and then maybe see if I can come to grips with the styling.
It'll be fine to daily drive. I would seriously doubt it's any harsher than my Z4, if even close, and I daily drive that. Rags daily drives a bicycle with a motor. You'll be fine.
Quote from: Tave on November 14, 2016, 06:18:52 PM
Leather seats are a sticking point for me, especially in a car that impractical that has to be a daily driver.
Prefer the way it looks, feels, cleans, smells.....can't really think of a good idea not to have it.
The track bits and goodies don't move the needle too much for me--the only reason I'd consider the Abarth is because I think it looks awesome and the Fiat starts with a more composed ride to begin with, so I assume it isn't much of a sacrifice.
Leather is the best.
Quote from: Raza on November 14, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
It'll be fine to daily drive. I would seriously doubt it's any harsher than my Z4, if even close, and I daily drive that. Rags daily drives a bicycle with a motor. You'll be fine.
:lol:
My registration/license just got processed, VW saying they should have my offer packet out within the next ten days. Looking likely I can get all this done by Christmas.
Stopped by the Mazda showroom today to check out the ergos. I think the Fiat seats do buy you about a half inch extra leg- and headroom, but the Miata is still doable for me compared to the previous models. This is turning into a tough choice.
And the race heats up! Just as I start leaning towards the MX-5, I find out one of my Tues/Wed night drinking buddies is real tight with the owner of the local Fiat dealership. Was told "tell me the exact trim you want when you're ready to return yours." I guess I should see what deals I can get on the table.
Quote from: Tave on November 19, 2016, 03:45:34 PM
Stopped by the Mazda showroom today to check out the ergos. I think the Fiat seats do buy you about a half inch extra leg- and headroom, but the Miata is still doable for me compared to the previous models. This is turning into a tough choice.
You're really tall, right? That's the issue?
Quote from: Raza on November 23, 2016, 07:15:14 AM
You're really tall, right? That's the issue?
Yeah I'm 6'4". I carry most of it in my torso but my legs are still long enough to bottom out in the previous models, and my head wouldn't fit under the cowl.
The Fiat has better sightlines for me but only by half an inch or so--this version of the Miata is doable. I don't know how they shrunk the exterior while growing the interior but bravo Mazda.
Hmm. Booster seat + top down?
Quote from: Tave on November 23, 2016, 07:53:18 AM
Yeah I'm 6'4". I carry most of it in my torso but my legs are still long enough to bottom out in the previous models, and my head wouldn't fit under the cowl.
The Fiat has better sightlines for me but only by half an inch or so--this version of the Miata is doable. I don't know how they shrunk the exterior while growing the interior but bravo Mazda.
Yeah, they did a lot of really cool tricks to package it better. The seats are a unique hammock style, and the combined the for aft adjustment with the height adjustment by inclining the seat rails. The ND is more spacious inside than the NC and my S2000 I think, but much smaller exterior. Great packaging.
I'm just jealous. Enjoy whatever you end up with!!
Quote from: Tave on November 22, 2016, 07:22:10 PM
And the race heats up! Just as I start leaning towards the MX-5, I find out one of my Tues/Wed night drinking buddies is real tight with the owner of the local Fiat dealership. Was told "tell me the exact trim you want when you're ready to return yours." I guess I should see what deals I can get on the table.
Avoid! Politely decline, IMHO. Just because you're a friend of a friend, doesn't mean he's going to want to lose money on the sale. That dealer doesn't owe you anything. Also you lose bargaining leverage because you don't want that dealer to talk shit about you to your drinking buddy. Fiat sales suck. You should get a very good deal wherever you go if that's the route you choose.
Oh I'm not worried about any of that; if I get the Fiat, I'd go through that dealership anyway.
But the more I think about the Miata, damn--although I do love leather seats and will pay more for it--the base Sport trim at $24-25K is a screaming deal. Also the lightest of the bunch and doesn't come with the goofy touchpad interface.
Quote from: Tave on November 25, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
Oh I'm not worried about any of that; if I get the Fiat, I'd go through that dealership anyway.
But the more I think about the Miata, damn--although I do love leather seats and will pay more for it--the base Sport trim at $24-25K is a screaming deal. Also the lightest of the bunch and doesn't come with the goofy touchpad interface.
No touchpad? That's what makes it a sports car! Just like the little umbrella makes it a scotch on the rocks!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/91/da/ae/91daae7f44c6426c3ffbef10e6c27442.jpg)
Quote from: Raza on November 25, 2016, 11:54:08 AM
No touchpad? That's what makes it a sports car! Just like the little umbrella makes it a scotch on the rocks!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/91/da/ae/91daae7f44c6426c3ffbef10e6c27442.jpg)
:thumbsup:
The best part is the touch feature doesn't even work while the car is in motion; it's just an inert, 7-inch obstruction on the dash to tell you your song title.
Quote from: Tave on November 27, 2016, 07:59:54 AM
:thumbsup:
The best part is the touch feature doesn't even work while the car is in motion; it's just an inert, 7-inch obstruction on the dash to tell you your song title.
The touch doesn't work, but the display is still usable; you just have to use the hard controls between the seats.
I really like Mazda's UI setup. I didn't even miss the touch screen while moving. The little wheel was perfect on the go.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 27, 2016, 09:23:32 AM
I really like Mazda's UI setup. I didn't even miss the touch screen while moving. The little wheel was perfect on the go.
I was half-kidding, it's not an issue for me, other than the appearance. I could see it being annoying for shorter drivers; however, it doesn't block my field of vision.
If they had made it retractable that would have been awesome but c'est la vie.
Quote from: ifcar on November 27, 2016, 08:36:28 AM
The touch doesn't work, but the display is still usable; you just have to use the hard controls between the seats.
Right, it can display the song on the radio/cd/Bluetooth or your GPS route. I never use car-based GPS since phones became so much better which makes the latter a wash for me.
FWIW, I don't like using touch screens in cars at all, so it's no skin off my back--I just think it's ironic to slap a gigantic touch screen in a car and then remove its touch-function during 99.99% of driving.
I like the smaller standard display anyway. I want a very basic Classica. Real physical stereo controls, mounted high on the dash. Perfect.
(http://www.automobiledimension.com/photos/interior/fiat-124-spider-2016-dashboard.jpg)
Whoa, you're not suppose to be able to get that saddle interior on a Classica, or the smaller stereo UI on the Lusso. I wonder if they released some special launch models--a Classica w/ that interior would be dope.
The one nice thing about the big screen on the Fiata is that it also includes a backup camera, I think the Mazda is getting it on the new models as well.
Quote from: Tave on November 29, 2016, 09:00:12 AM
Whoa, you're not suppose to be able to get that saddle interior on a Classica, or the smaller stereo UI on the Lusso. I wonder if they released some special launch models--a Classica w/ that interior would be dope.
The one nice thing about the big screen on the Fiata is that it also includes a backup camera, I think the Mazda is getting it on the new models as well.
Yeah probably a pre-production or Euro only picture.
Quote from: Tave on November 29, 2016, 08:04:11 AM
I was half-kidding, it's not an issue for me, other than the appearance. I could see it being annoying for shorter drivers; however, it doesn't block my field of vision.
If they had made it retractable that would have been awesome but c'est la vie.
Right, it can display the song on the radio/cd/Bluetooth or your GPS route. I never use car-based GPS since phones became so much better which makes the latter a wash for me.
FWIW, I don't like using touch screens in cars at all, so it's no skin off my back--I just think it's ironic to slap a gigantic touch screen in a car and then remove its touch-function during 99.99% of driving.
Retractable is going away because of the backup camera requirement. All screens that are used for that have to be fixed and viewable at all times.
Quote from: Raza on November 29, 2016, 05:05:24 PM
Retractable is going away because of the backup camera requirement. All screens that are used for that have to be fixed and viewable at all times.
Yeah, for MY 2018, looks like the Miata/124 will be big screen only. I wonder what that will do to the cost of the most basic model.
Also, retractable means a lot of space in the dash. One of the reasons for the big push to the tablet style screens is it allows the dash to be lower than a fully integrated screen. Imagine how high the dashboard would have to be to envelop the screen in something like an ND miata.
I think they could figure something out. Move the center HVAC vent down, go with a thinner screen, put the retracting mechanism to the sides.
Personally I don't see the big deal with it.... initially I hated the look, and I still prefer an in dash solution (dat Neue Panamera :wub: ) but it's no biggie. It's about where the radio in my Civic is now.
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2016, 07:22:44 AM
Also, retractable means a lot of space in the dash. One of the reasons for the big push to the tablet style screens is it allows the dash to be lower than a fully integrated screen. Imagine how high the dashboard would have to be to envelop the screen in something like an ND miata.
What good is a low dash when you have a screen protruding up and blocking your view anyway?
I've driven the Scion iA and the Mazda 3 and have never thought the tablet on the dash was intrusive to your field of vision. Also, the screen is marginally taller than what looks like a Sanyo Clock radio that Mazda slaps on the top of the dash for the variants without them.
Also, I know that Mazda dropped the clock-radio looking stereo on the Mazda 3 with basically no price difference.
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2016, 07:22:44 AM
Also, retractable means a lot of space in the dash. One of the reasons for the big push to the tablet style screens is it allows the dash to be lower than a fully integrated screen. Imagine how high the dashboard would have to be to envelop the screen in something like an ND miata.
I think the law requiring fixed screens for rearview cameras (which are becoming mandatory) trumps any sort of interior design preferences.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2016, 07:41:18 AM
I think they could figure something out. Move the center HVAC vent down, go with a thinner screen, put the retracting mechanism to the sides.
Personally I don't see the big deal with it.... initially I hated the look, and I still prefer an in dash solution (dat Neue Panamera :wub: ) but it's no biggie. It's about where the radio in my Civic is now.
What they should do is have a projector on the luggage shelf, project the rear camera view on to the rear windshield, forcing people to turn around and/or use their mirrors rather than staring down at their dashboard. Also make turning your rear windshield into a stickerfest/billboard/tombstone/stuffed animal refuge illegal.
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2016, 07:22:44 AM
Also, retractable means a lot of space in the dash. One of the reasons for the big push to the tablet style screens is it allows the dash to be lower than a fully integrated screen. Imagine how high the dashboard would have to be to envelop the screen in something like an ND miata.
It also allows the screen size to change without changing the dash.
Offer came yesterday but too late to get it notarized and returned before close of business. Still might be able to get this done before xmas.
Quote from: Tave on December 10, 2016, 06:49:02 AM
Offer came yesterday but too late to get it notarized and returned before close of business. Still might be able to get this done before xmas.
Is the offer what you expected? I'm reading that many people are getting angry with the process.
Quote from: Rockraven on December 10, 2016, 08:48:10 AM
Is the offer what you expected? I'm reading that many people are getting angry with the process.
It has taken longer than they first announced at several steps in the process, which is very frustrating given that they adjust your payout based on mileage. I'm sure they're just dealing with the volume but the cynic in you can't help but think the longer they drag their feet, the less they'll pay.
The process itself isn't too bad--a little redundant but ok.
Offer was exactly as forecast, which for me is essentially the purchase price. As far as class actions go that ain't bad.
Quote from: Tave on December 10, 2016, 06:37:57 PM
As far as class actions go that ain't bad.
LOL They got caught big time, and are going to pay out, big time.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2016, 05:30:08 AM
LOL They got caught big time, and are going to pay out, big time.
Yeah. Too bad ten dozen people didn't die because it, otherwise we'd have to endure "real people" commercials saying how they look like more expensive cars and comparing them to mullets.
:clap:
Offer is signed and returned. They give you two options for payment: check at closing or a 3-day direct deposit. I originally planned on taking the check and scheduling delivery on my new ride for the following day, figured I could just cab it overnight. Now they're telling me that choosing direct deposit allows you to select a much sooner return date so I went with that. I guess I need to either move some funds around or figure out what I'm going to do for the three days without a car. *Sigh*
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2016, 05:30:08 AM
LOL They got caught big time, and are going to pay out, big time.
Yeah but I feel like they've done a decent job protecting consumers. Good class actions don't always result in good settlements for the class members. I still kinda wish they had pushed for full buybacks + restitution instead of pre-scandal KBBV + restitution, but I think that probably had more to do with trying to treat the various plaintiffs fairly. The mileage adjustment is bogus either way but it's not large-enough to worry about.
I thought of joining one of the local suits around here because our state law provides for treble-damages on unfair and deceptive trade practice claims, but ultimately didn't want to deal with the bullshit I go through at work in my spare time.
When all the dust settles, I'll have gotten a free car for a couple years minus the cost of taxes and registration, which isn't bad at all.
Quote from: Tave on December 12, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
When all the dust settles, I'll have gotten a free car for a couple years minus the cost of taxes and registration, which isn't bad at all.
:rockon:
Ugh, guess the turnaround time for the appointment scheduling isn't that hot.
January 18th, so I've got about a month to decide on what I want.
Are you 100% committed to buying new?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 14, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
Are you 100% committed to buying new?
Gotsta. I put 20K+/year on it driving all over the state for the jerb, can't roll the dice on availability and out-of-pocket repairs.
They're still reviewing my documents. Been that way for almost two months. I just garaged my Beetle about a month ago. Hadn't changed the oil in 20,000 miles, the radiator is bent from a small accident, and my tires are bald so I didn't want to chance anything from getting my payout. As long as the car runs, I can turn it in.
Quote from: veeman on December 14, 2016, 04:49:41 PM
They're still reviewing my documents. Been that way for almost two months. I just garaged my Beetle about a month ago. Hadn't changed the oil in 20,000 miles, the radiator is bent from a small accident, and my tires are bald so I didn't want to chance anything from getting my payout. As long as the car runs, I can turn it in.
:lockedup:
Call them out on that bullshit. Every time I complained on the hotline or the website's live-chat my claim would just magically move onto the next step a few days later.
If that doesn't work try resubmitting your documents with pics from your phone. They had my scanned PDF docs for over a month, and kept refusing to switch me from the modification to the buyback until they finished the review. Finally I got them to reset the whole claim, resubmitted my license and registration with phone pics, and it was done in 10 days. You can update/substitute your docs without resetting everything like I did if you want to keep your selection.
Like I mentioned earlier, wouldn't surprise me at all if they were purposefully moving slow to save themselves some cash. Even just a $10 mileage penalty/car would amount to an $80 million dollar savings over their projections. Great for you that you're covered from those shenanigans. :cheers:
I think I'll be safe--I'm gone for 8 days starting next week and the last half of Dec/first half of Jan is always my dead time, so I won't put much extra on it this next month.
Quote from: Tave on December 14, 2016, 06:43:21 PM
:lockedup:
Call them out on that bullshit. Every time I complained on the hotline or the website's live-chat my claim would just magically move onto the next step a few days later.
If that doesn't work try resubmitting your documents with pics from your phone. They had my scanned PDF docs for over a month, and kept refusing to switch me from the modification to the buyback until they finished the review. Finally I got them to reset the whole claim, resubmitted my license and registration with phone pics, and it was done in 10 days. You can update/substitute your docs without resetting everything like I did if you want to keep your selection.
Like I mentioned earlier, wouldn't surprise me at all if they were purposefully moving slow to save themselves some cash. Even just a $10 mileage penalty/car would amount to an $80 million dollar savings over their projections. Great for you that you're covered from those shenanigans. :cheers:
I think I'll be safe--I'm gone for 8 days starting next week and the last half of Dec/first half of Jan is always my dead time, so I won't put much extra on it this next month.
Yeah, thanks, you're right. I should call them. I know they've reviewed them once and needed some clarification on a document so I scanned them another copy about 2 weeks ago so I know I'm in the queue somewhere. I have a three car garage and only use two of them with the other spot used for trash cans, bikes, lawnmower, snowblower - so I just shoved my Beetle into the third spot (it doesn't take a lot of room.) I'm still paying insurance though on it and Connecticut town tax but overall it's not costing me too much. I might downgrade my auto insurance on it to save me some money.
Did you remove all of the parts from the car before you returned it? Apparently the agreement states that the car has to be "running order" only. Some people are returning this:
(https://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/421/6811/75831620/pjx15mjxwo0veembofbv-5875817345274929750.jpg)
He took out things like the radio as well. The VW dealer did not complain. Apparently the guy is now pissed that he did not remove the doors as well. :lol:
I wonder if a car running on two cylinders would still constitute as "running." :hmm:
LOL
Quote from: Galaxy on December 15, 2016, 03:53:03 PM
Did you remove all of the parts from the car before you returned it? Apparently the agreement states that the car has to be "running order" only. Some people are returning this:
(https://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/421/6811/75831620/pjx15mjxwo0veembofbv-5875817345274929750.jpg)
He took out things like the radio as well. The VW dealer did not complain. Apparently the guy is now pissed that he did not remove the doors as well. :lol:
I wonder if a car running on two cylinders would still constitute as "running." :hmm:
Since the dealer can't do anything with the cars anyways, I doubt they'd care.
Will they run without the turbo?
I think the exact requirements are "drive to a dealership under its own power," and "without a salvage title."
I got rear-ended today by another attorney in the courthouse parking garage; didn't do any damage which was a little disappointing because I was so prepared for a "Merry Christmas you filthy animal!" like nobody's business.
http://jalopnik.com/this-vw-diesel-owner-is-about-to-turn-in-a-completely-s-1790289804
:lol:
"Operable" means that a vehicle so described can be driven under its own 2.0-liter TDI engine power. A vehicle is not Operable if it had a branded title of "Assembled," "Dismantled," "Flood," "Junk," "Rebuilt," "Reconstructed," or "Salvaged" as of September 18, 2015, and was acquired by any person or entity from a junkyard or salvaged after September 18, 2015.
Looks like you can turn in a completely stripped car, if the branded title is none of the above. VW was really stupid here (again), and they deserve to have cars turned in like this.
Shit I need a new cargo cover for my car, I wish I had a friend with a Golf TDI abt to be turned in.
I know my neighbor is pretty pissed. He thought his deal was going through in October, bought a new truck that had a massive incentive option he couldn't pass up thinking he was going to get the money for his car within a week...
Well, it's been over 2 months and his Jetta is still in his driveway and he is making truck payments b that he wasn't planning on doing
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 20, 2016, 12:19:56 AM
Shit I need a new cargo cover for my car, I wish I had a friend with a Golf TDI abt to be turned in.
Maybe eBay is about to be flooded with some low-priced options.
Quote from: r0tor on December 20, 2016, 05:43:44 AM
I know my neighbor is pretty pissed. He thought his deal was going through in October, bought a new truck that had a massive incentive option he couldn't pass up thinking he was going to get the money for his car within a week...
Well, it's been over 2 months and his Jetta is still in his driveway and he is making truck payments b that he wasn't planning on doing
Sawzall time. Seriously though, it's hard to feel sorry for him. These things always drag out far longer than promised.
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 20, 2016, 12:19:56 AM
Shit I need a new cargo cover for my car, I wish I had a friend with a Golf TDI abt to be turned in.
Shoulda gotta sedan.
Now all you can do is get a Mexican blanket.
Quote from: Rockraven on December 20, 2016, 06:03:32 AM
Sawzall time. Seriously though, it's hard to feel sorry for him. These things always drag out far longer than promised.
October was jumping the gun quite a bit--all he needed to do was read the literature VW mailed--but they did set a hard schedule with upper-limits that they blew through about a month ago. Since then they've edited their website to remove all the "within 10 days" language and instructed their customer service reps to not give out any definite time estimates when queried.
Hard to feel too bad for him, but then again prior to ever sending out the packets with the detailed timeline, VW was giving projected return dates that were before final court approval, so they had as big a hand as anyone in the confusion.
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158
Turns out trying to be cute/funny by stripping the car before bringing it back, he caused himself a massive headache. Looks like VW will drag this out, and he might be faced with having to completely reassemble the car. Hope he labelled everything. :facepalm:
Don't bite the hand that feeds?
Quote from: Rockraven on December 20, 2016, 08:34:31 PM
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158
Turns out trying to be cute/funny by stripping the car before bringing it back, he caused himself a massive headache. Looks like VW will drag this out, and he might be faced with having to completely reassemble the car. Hope he labelled everything. :facepalm:
That was a shitty thing to do. VW is already paying out the ass for it, why try to stick it to them by being a dick about it?
Dude is a lil attention hoe. Well, he got what he wanted, and now he's gonna pay for it. What kind of person has the time for this kind of shit anyway?
why did I read the comments
Owners have legitimate cause for greivance. VW is purporting to "buyback" the illegal vehicles and provide additional "restitution" to compensate for the fraud, but in no cases does the total payout even exceed the purchase price of the vehicle. If you don't elect into the class, you get to litigate against one of the biggest companies on the planet by yourself and still have an illegal vehicle that, depending on the state you live in, may not be eligible to re-register.
And then they have the balls to reduce your payout for mileage overages when they're the ones who have delayed scheduling buyback appointments!
To add insult to injury, they're going to recoup half their costs by just selling them in neighboring countries. So I have my car either taken from me, or severely devaluated, and at the end of the day I'm still breathing the same pollution!
If they were stupid enough to agree to "run under its own power" with no qualifications, then they don't deserve any more consideration than they've given the American public, which is essentially nothing at all.
I don't believe they, as part of the settlement, can sell the car to other countries unless it is fully compliant with U.S. regulations. Which essentially means they have to be made completely inoperable and buried because they have no plan in place for them to meet U.S. regulations. They can however salvage/recycle parts.
Quote from: veeman on December 21, 2016, 06:00:32 PM
I don't believe they, as part of the settlement, can sell the car to other countries unless it is fully compliant with U.S. regulations. Which essentially means they have to be made completely inoperable and buried because they have no plan in place for them to meet U.S. regulations. They can however salvage/recycle parts.
If they can meet regulations in some other country as is, they don't need to be updated to pass US regs to be sold in that other country.
Quote from: Tave on December 21, 2016, 04:20:40 PM
Owners have legitimate cause for greivance. VW is purporting to "buyback" the illegal vehicles and provide additional "restitution" to compensate for the fraud, but in no cases does the total payout even exceed the purchase price of the vehicle. If you don't elect into the class, you get to litigate against one of the biggest companies on the planet by yourself and still have an illegal vehicle that, depending on the state you live in, may not be eligible to re-register.
And then they have the balls to reduce your payout for mileage overages when they're the ones who have delayed scheduling buyback appointments!
To add insult to injury, they're going to recoup half their costs by just selling them in neighboring countries. So I have my car either taken from me, or severely devaluated, and at the end of the day I'm still breathing the same pollution!
If they were stupid enough to agree to "run under its own power" with no qualifications, then they don't deserve any more consideration than they've given the American public, which is essentially nothing at all.
Aka par for the course for an automaker.
Buddy of mine is doing the buyout...his offer was a couple grand more than he paid for the car. :rockon:
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 22, 2016, 12:11:01 AM
Buddy of mine is doing the buyout...his offer was a couple grand more than he paid for the car. :rockon:
He must've got 20-30% off the sticker then, because I can see everyone's offer range and all of them undercut VW's MSRP by a healthy margin. I bought mine for +10% off list and am still only just barely getting that back (it's actually short $500-$1000). They were absolutely flying off the lots at the time too.
I haven't called the Fiat dealership back since scheduling my buyback, think it's a sign I'm set on the Miata.
Any good argument that the Multiair will be more robust than the Skyactive? Any DI carbon buildup horror stories? I've heard Mazda's new mills are actually noticeably better on that front than a lot of others.
Lol, no, I would definitely be more worried about the Multiair than the Skyactive. That turd of an engine is the main reason I'd go Miata over the Fiat.
I'm still blown away at 22 psi required to be slower than the NA miata. If the Miata is too slow for you, Edelbrock is making a supercharger for it with warranty :rockon:
Quote from: Tave on December 22, 2016, 06:04:20 AM
He must've got 20-30% off the sticker then, because I can see everyone's offer range and all of them undercut VW's MSRP by a healthy margin. I bought mine for +10% off list and am still only just barely getting that back (it's actually short $500-$1000). They were absolutely flying off the lots at the time too.
He got it used. Paid around 11.5 and his offer was about 13.5.
Quote from: MrH on December 22, 2016, 10:22:18 AM
Lol, no, I would definitely be more worried about the Multiair than the Skyactive. That turd of an engine is the main reason I'd go Miata over the Fiat.
I'm still blown away at 22 psi required to be slower than the NA miata. If the Miata is too slow for you, Edelbrock is making a supercharger for it with warranty :rockon:
The Edelbrock warranty won't cover your shredded transmission. Until Mazda beefs up the trans on the ND, I wouldn't be looking to add any significant power to it. Unless a transmission swap is also part of the build.
Quote from: MX793 on December 22, 2016, 10:25:46 AM
The Edelbrock warranty won't cover your shredded transmission. Until Mazda beefs up the trans on the ND, I wouldn't be looking to add any significant power to it. Unless a transmission swap is also part of the build.
Yeah, there's been a whole string of failed transmissions on the NDs. Mazda released a TSB. New part numbers for multiple things in the transmission, and there's been no failures since.
How much more power does one need anyway? A couple of N/A bolt ons and this is flirting with a 13 second quarter mile. That's plenty fast for the street.
Are they all cycled in or are you still rolling the dice on models on the lot right now?
Fiata has the previous gen's trans which is more robust...
I'm not worried about the power in either at all, I'm not looking to do any engine alterations.
190 whp from bolt ons and a tune. That Skyactiv is fucking magical.
Quote from: Tave on December 22, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
Are they all cycled in or are you still rolling the dice on models on the lot right now?
Fiata has the previous gen's trans which is more robust...
There's a ton of them on the lots still. They're holding model year 2017 miatas at the port because there's such a huge surplus of 2016s. There's a build date change over point, so you could look at the VIN and determine if it has the new transmission or not.
There were also problems with the top early on too. Straps were failing, and weird wear parts. Some people have had an entire new top installed via warranty. Not sure if anyone has had both issues, but that would be brutal for Mazda. Talking like $12k+ in warranty work on a <$30k car is crazy.
Keep in mind, the actual incident rates for these is really really small. If it were me, I probably work out the best possible deal for a leftover 2016 miata that I could. If transmission or top fails, that's what the warranty is for.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on December 22, 2016, 10:51:13 AM
190 whp from bolt ons and a tune. That Skyactiv is fucking magical.
That's not consistent. One dynoed there once I think. They're having a hard time duplicating these numbers.
Quote from: MrH on December 22, 2016, 11:37:52 AM
There's a ton of them on the lots still. They're holding model year 2017 miatas at the port because there's such a huge surplus of 2016s. There's a build date change over point, so you could look at the VIN and determine if it has the new transmission or not.
There were also problems with the top early on too. Straps were failing, and weird wear parts. Some people have had an entire new top installed via warranty. Not sure if anyone has had both issues, but that would be brutal for Mazda. Talking like $12k+ in warranty work on a <$30k car is crazy.
Keep in mind, the actual incident rates for these is really really small. If it were me, I probably work out the best possible deal for a leftover 2016 miata that I could. If transmission or top fails, that's what the warranty is for.
Gracias for the information.
I did some digging, it appears all the Miatas on the local lot are pre-changeover. :thumbsup: Ah well like you said it's warrantied and only occurs on a small number of cars.
Still might check the surrounding city lots though.
Quote from: Tave on December 22, 2016, 12:26:50 PM
Gracias for the information.
I did some digging, it appears all the Miatas on the local lot are pre-changeover. :thumbsup: Ah well like you said it's warrantied and only occurs on a small number of cars.
Still might check the surrounding city lots though.
Yeah, the transmission issue looks to be an alignment problem on gears two and three, and that causes some sort of uneven load on the gear teeth, and they're actually sheering off. Looks to be a tolerance stackup problem. They probably had a batch or two of a part come in that was at the edge of the allowable spec.
There's 7 club Miatas with a manual at my local dealer. They've all been there since May or so. I check to see what they have them listed for every so often. Come February or so, they're going to be so desperate, I may test drive and see what they're like.
Quote from: veeman on December 21, 2016, 06:00:32 PM
I don't believe they, as part of the settlement, can sell the car to other countries unless it is fully compliant with U.S. regulations. Which essentially means they have to be made completely inoperable and buried because they have no plan in place for them to meet U.S. regulations. They can however salvage/recycle parts.
VW doesn't salvage and recycle the parts themselves though (do they? It would be weird). They'll sell them to somebody who does though.
Quote from: MX793 on December 21, 2016, 06:02:41 PM
If they can meet regulations in some other country as is, they don't need to be updated to pass US regs to be sold in that other country.
Negative. The judgement clearly states that no VW diesel TDI which does not meet current U.S. regulations can be sold in another country regardless of that countries regulations. The EPA made a specific point about that because they didn't want the same cars being returned to be sold in Mexico a month later. The cars have to be made completely inoperable (the judgement/agreement mandated a hole being made in the engine block and the chassis sawed in half, or something to that effect. I forget the exact wording but it was darn specific.)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 22, 2016, 12:41:56 PM
VW doesn't salvage and recycle the parts themselves though (do they? It would be weird). They'll sell them to somebody who does though.
:huh:
Quote from: Tave on December 21, 2016, 04:20:40 PM
Owners have legitimate cause for greivance. VW is purporting to "buyback" the illegal vehicles and provide additional "restitution" to compensate for the fraud, but in no cases does the total payout even exceed the purchase price of the vehicle. If you don't elect into the class, you get to litigate against one of the biggest companies on the planet by yourself and still have an illegal vehicle that, depending on the state you live in, may not be eligible to re-register.
And then they have the balls to reduce your payout for mileage overages when they're the ones who have delayed scheduling buyback appointments!
To add insult to injury, they're going to recoup half their costs by just selling them in neighboring countries. So I have my car either taken from me, or severely devaluated, and at the end of the day I'm still breathing the same pollution!
If they were stupid enough to agree to "run under its own power" with no qualifications, then they don't deserve any more consideration than they've given the American public, which is essentially nothing at all.
I agree; sadly, the judge appears not to: http://www.autoblog.com/2016/12/23/judge-volkswagen-diesel-stripping-car/
"Clearly the purpose of the agreement by Volkswagen was to accept these cars in the condition that they were in as they were being driven on the road, and not to strip the cars."
I turn my car in wed, the fiat dealership doesn't have anything and Mazda is loaded with multiple MT offerings of both the Sport, Club, and Touring.
Looks like I'll be joining the Hair Dresser's Lodge in about a week.
Hell yea, which one are you going for?
RF or soft top? Which model and color?
Ragtop. If the red Sport is still there I'll get it; otherwise they've got black and white Clubs and Tourings; I think I'd go with the latter but it might be a game time decision. I'd be fine w either color. I generally gravitate towards black cars, but the white is one of the better colors on the Miata. I'll check a town over and see if they have any of the blue.
That blue is a GT only color.
I vote Club trim level just for the LSD alone.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2017, 11:58:19 AM
RF or soft top? Which model and color?
RFs aren't in stock anywhere. It'll be a while before they pile up.
There are some around here.
All I need is for them to go on the X-plan, then I pull the trigger.
Quote from: Laconian on January 14, 2017, 02:27:12 PM
All I need is for them to go on the X-plan, then I pull the trigger.
Does X-plan still include Mazda products? I thought once Ford sold their stake, X-plan no longer applied to Mazda.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2017, 12:24:33 PM
That blue is a GT only color.
I vote Club trim level just for the LSD alone.
What are your thoughts on the LSD given that I have clear roads for ~363 days/year and don't plan on autox'ing or tracking it? How noticeable is it on backroad drives?
I've never considered the Miata to be a traction-limited vehicle, and a diff is a relatively cheap fix if I find myself wanting it down the road. I do like the other goodies (springs+wheels+tires+stereo) in the Club, but it's enough money to make me think twice.
Quote from: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:55:05 AM
What are your thoughts on the LSD given that I have clear roads for ~363 days/year and don't plan on autox'ing or tracking it? How noticeable is it on backroad drives?
I've never considered the Miata to be a traction-limited vehicle, and a diff is a relatively cheap fix if I find myself wanting it down the road. I do like the other goodies (springs+wheels+tires+stereo) in the Club, but it's enough money to make me think twice.
You don't need the LSD at all.
Quote from: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:55:05 AM
What are your thoughts on the LSD given that I have clear roads for ~363 days/year and don't plan on autox'ing or tracking it? How noticeable is it on backroad drives?
I've never considered the Miata to be a traction-limited vehicle, and a diff is a relatively cheap fix if I find myself wanting it down the road. I do like the other goodies (springs+wheels+tires+stereo) in the Club, but it's enough money to make me think twice.
Depends on how close to the limit you drive on the streets? :lol:
I drove my NC Miata like a total jackass on back roads. It was a really easy car to drive at the limits. So for me, I would have lit up the inside wheel quite a bit.
You can add it yourself but i wouldn't want to do that with a brand new car. Talking $1k+ just for the parts, then all the labor too.
The only time you'd notice it is in 1st gear jackass right turns/U turns or when it's wet out in 1st or 2nd gear full throttle turns.
Do LSD equipped cars have better resale value? It might be worth it just for that
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Quote from: Xer0 on January 15, 2017, 08:22:26 AM
Do LSD equipped cars have better resale value? It might be worth it just for that
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Most the time, the seller doesn't even know.
I meant specifically for the Miata. I imagine an LSD, factory equipped, Miata to be worth more second hand since it's so heavily raced/autoXed
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Quote from: Xer0 on January 15, 2017, 08:47:59 AM
I meant specifically for the Miata. I imagine an LSD, factory equipped, Miata to be worth more second hand since it's so heavily raced/autoXed
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Probably more true for a Miata than most.
Quote from: Xer0 on January 15, 2017, 08:47:59 AM
I meant specifically for the Miata. I imagine an LSD, factory equipped, Miata to be worth more second hand since it's so heavily raced/autoXed
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In a private sale, the LSD will be coveted by enthusiasts (those who race their cars) but meaningless to the majority of buyers who just want a sharp little convertible. For dealer trade-in, it won't make a difference.
Quote from: MX793 on January 14, 2017, 02:50:25 PM
Does X-plan still include Mazda products? I thought once Ford sold their stake, X-plan no longer applied to Mazda.
They still have their X plan. It was different than the Ford S plan?
Quote from: MrH on January 15, 2017, 06:57:34 AM
Depends on how close to the limit you drive on the streets? :lol:
I drove my NC Miata like a total jackass on back roads. It was a really easy car to drive at the limits. So for me, I would have lit up the inside wheel quite a bit.
You can add it yourself but i wouldn't want to do that with a brand new car. Talking $1k+ just for the parts, then all the labor too.
Yea prob not worth it to him, and even at the limit not a panacea. I looped the Z twice... with VSC on :facepalm: It was wet out though.
I think a GT is the obvious pick for him.
Quote from: Laconian on January 15, 2017, 11:36:36 AM
They still have their X plan. It was different than the Ford S plan?
Ford has A, X, and Z plans that offer differing levels of discount. X is the most common. Mazda has S-plan. Back when Ford had controlling interest, anyone who had Ford AXZ plan could also get S plan on Mazdas. I thought that ended when Ford sold their stake in Mazda.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 15, 2017, 01:31:37 PM
Yea prob not worth it to him, and even at the limit not a panacea. I looped the Z twice... with VSC on :facepalm: It was wet out though.
I think a GT is the obvious pick for him.
Limited slips make it easier to spin a car out since both rear tires break loose rather than a one-wheel-peel. Way easier to kick the ass end out on either of my LSD-equipped Mustangs on a wet road at low speed than my open-diff 240SX was. I can take my Mustang, turn the wheel hard left or right and then pop the clutch from a stop while giving it some gas and it'll do a 180. My Nissan wouldn't do that, even in the wet. One tire would break loose but no sliding unless I had some momentum.
Just weld the rear end like I am going to do to my next 2wd pickup truck.
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 01:46:01 PM
Limited slips make it easier to spin a car out since both rear tires break loose rather than a one-wheel-peel. Way easier to kick the ass end out on either of my LSD-equipped Mustangs on a wet road at low speed than my open-diff 240SX was. I can take my Mustang, turn the wheel hard left or right and then pop the clutch from a stop while giving it some gas and it'll do a 180. My Nissan wouldn't do that, even in the wet. One tire would break loose but no sliding unless I had some momentum.
It's a lot easier to control and get back in line once you do start sliding, though (at least on power).
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 15, 2017, 04:51:02 PM
It's a lot easier to control and get back in line once you do start sliding, though (at least on power).
Not sure my experience agrees with that. Spent a lot of years driving in the snow with an open diff RWD. It was pretty damn easy to recover from a slide.
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 05:26:47 PM
Not sure my experience agrees with that. Spent a lot of years driving in the snow with an open diff RWD. It was pretty damn easy to recover from a slide.
That's what I've experienced on track and (unfortunately) on the street. Plus, any drifter will tell you an LSD is better, since it will break traction easier as well as be much easier to control while past the limit and bring back into line.
Even when I was able to correct a slide before I got my diff it was super unpredictable. I never knew which was it was going to send me. With the LSD, as long as you are quick with your steering inputs and stay on the gas it's pretty easy to recover. I still have trouble trying to catch lift off oversteer, but I think that's a function of my short wheelbase and stiff suspension. When I'm able to catch the slide it's so much easier to control with the LSD.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 15, 2017, 05:54:44 PM
That's what I've experienced on track and (unfortunately) on the street. Plus, any drifter will tell you an LSD is better, since it will break traction easier as well as be much easier to control while past the limit and bring back into line.
Even when I was able to correct a slide before I got my diff it was super unpredictable. I never knew which was it was going to send me. With the LSD, as long as you are quick with your steering inputs and stay on the gas it's pretty easy to recover. I still have trouble trying to catch lift off oversteer, but I think that's a function of my short wheelbase and stiff suspension. When I'm able to catch the slide it's so much easier to control with the LSD.
You need to adjust your LSD so it doesn't lock up under engine braking.
Quote from: MX793 on January 15, 2017, 05:26:47 PM
Not sure my experience agrees with that. Spent a lot of years driving in the snow with an open diff RWD. It was pretty damn easy to recover from a slide.
Agree with that.
Open diff in snow is easy to control, but I agree that an LSD is easier in the dry as long as you have trained yourself to stay on the throttle. If the open diff starts to drift in the dry, you can't throttle your way out of it, just steer. IME.
Hmm, well as much fun as it might be to peel out a 30-footer when the mood strikes, about all it takes to make me happy is that little exit-wriggle that lets you know you're nipping at the limit.
It looks like Mazda's website has current pricing on the dealer inventories (showing lower pricing than the dealers' websites). They're advertising 26.2K for the Sport, 29.6K for the Club, and 31-31.2 for the GT. I assume there's some downward movement there given the season and the fact that the 2017 model will be arriving in a month or two, but I assume the relative pricing difference will hold: $3,400 to step up to the Club and about $5,000 for the top model.
If I can justify the price increase I'd be fine swinging either. Right now I'm trying to decide which is the best tradeoff for comfort: unheated cloth seats for our hot muggy summers, or heated leather for the mild but chilly winters. They've got some tan interiors available within a 100 mile radius but if I have them yank one from another dealer I'll be stuck with that model. Right now there's a pretty good availability of exterior colors on the GT at the dealerships I would physically buy at, but they are all black interiors.
Base clubs that MSRP for $29.6k can be had for closer to $26k. When the 2017s hit, the value drops a few grand easily. They've got 2017s sitting at port, and like 5 months of supply on hand. They'll start getting desperate soon.
I'll be putting a good chunk down (1/3-1/2) but will likely finance the remainder through the dealer/Mazda. Think they'd be willing to negotiate?
I'd go through a bank but they seem to be offering worse rates than the manufacturers.
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
I'll be putting a good chunk down (1/3-1/2) but will likely finance the remainder through the dealer/Mazda. Think they'd be willing to negotiate?
I'd go through a bank but they seem to be offering worse rates than the manufacturers.
Go to your local credit union. Get pre-approved at a competitive rate before even stepping in. I use USAA for all my auto stuff, and refuse to even talk financing with the dealer until a final price is agreed upon. It just gives them another avenue to try and weasel some more money from you.
Ugh, I might give it a shot. My coworker just went through his credit union to purchase his wife's new ride and his rate was noticeably worse than the last dealer rate I received. It was also for a CPO car, but I've seen the advertised rates of all the local depositories and it's all in-line.
There's probably a 50% chance I go through all that work only to come out a point-and-a-half or more worse with ~2K cash saved, which is essentially a wash over the life of the loan.
Back in the day when interests rates were always lower at the bank it made sense to go that route to also negotiate on top of it, but when manufacturers started offering 0-2% financing it's pretty tempting to just knock it out at the same place.
If $2k is considered a wash to you, go in without a loan :lol: That's a free $2k in my mind. That's nearly the price difference between a sport and a club for free.
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2017, 09:21:14 AM
If $2k is considered a wash to you, go in without a loan :lol: That's a free $2k in my mind. That's nearly the price difference between a sport and a club for free.
That's not quite what I'm saying. My down payment will be the same regardless of how much I borrow. That extra 2K, or whatever it would come out to be, will be borrowed money either way.
For example, there's an inflection point at which a 18K loan at a higher rate will cost you more to service than it saves you in principle compared to a 20K loan at a lower rate.
Even if it's not, there's a certain value in my time in terms of in not spending my week at or on the phone with the bank setting everything up that may or may not be worth a couple hundred bucks ammortized over 3-4 years.
I get what you're saying though it's the smarter way to buy just takes some more effort.
Think if I brought them 30K for a GT out-the-door they'd make it happen?
Tax title and fees will be $1000 to $1500, for reference.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
You need to adjust your LSD so it doesn't lock up under engine braking.
I think it's 1.5 way so it locks up halfway under decel. A little bit of rotation is nice upon turn in.
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 09:53:26 AM
I get what you're saying though it's the smarter way to buy just takes some more effort.
Think if I brought them 30K for a GT out-the-door they'd make it happen?
How many GTs do they have on the lot?
Also, FWIW on the NC, people hate the leather. It aged like shit and is pretty crappy in quality. I sold my cloth driver seat to a guy who was swapping his leather interior to a cloth one. I'm not sure how the ND is but that might be something to keep in mind.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 10:16:02 AM
I think it's 1.5 way so it locks up halfway under decel. A little bit of rotation is nice upon turn in.
How many GTs do they have on the lot?
Also, FWIW on the NC, people hate the leather. It aged like shit and is pretty crappy in quality. I sold my cloth driver seat to a guy who was swapping his leather interior to a cloth one. I'm not sure how the ND is but that might be something to keep in mind.
4 on the lot here, 4-6 in the next town over.
Almost all manuals too. :rockon:
Is the Keffer up by me one of the places you're shopping? If so we might have to meet up bro
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 10:54:36 AM
Is the Keffer up by me one of the places you're shopping? If so we might have to meet up bro
I bought my TDI from them! Unfortunately they're a little bit out of my range since I won't have a trade-in this time around. I thought about Uber'ing down there--checked out the inventory and they have some red Clubs--but I think I'll probably stick around WS/GSO.
WS/GSO?
Winston/Greensboro
I thought you were based out of CLT. Yea that changes things. Puts the difficulty of landing a Fiata in perspective as well.
Yeah we're a little outta the way, but plenty of Miatas in stick!
30K flat get it done? Anyone....Bueller?
Just remember I'm holding all y'all personally responsible if they turn me away and will track down your car and pee in the gas tank as recompense.
Might be good to see what your upfront pricing options are. Does your work offer a X-plan discount plan? Are you a Costco member? With either of those, they just bring out a binder of fixed, Good Deal prices and you are entitled to them with no bullshit. They're a couple hundred dollars from The Best Possible Deal, but it's much less hassle. :lol:
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
Yeah we're a little outta the way, but plenty of Miatas in stick!
30K flat get it done? Anyone....Bueller?
Just remember I'm holding all y'all personally responsible if they turn me away and will track down your car and pee in the gas tank as recompense.
$30k to get what done? You still haven't said what trim level you want :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 16, 2017, 12:32:31 PM
Might be good to see what your upfront pricing options are. Does your work offer a X-plan discount plan? Are you a Costco member? With either of those, they just bring out a binder of fixed, Good Deal prices and you are entitled to them with no bullshit. They're a couple hundred dollars from The Best Possible Deal, but it's much less hassle. :lol:
You sweet, summer child.
My work is an 70 year old office manager writing physical books with an honest-to-goodness typewriter. We aren't on anybody's plan.
:thumbsup:
Good point about Costco I'll have to check whether I'm covered on my parent's plan (guessing not).
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2017, 12:38:51 PM
$30k to get what done? You still haven't said what trim level you want :lol:
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 09:53:26 AM
Think if I brought them 30K for a GT out-the-door they'd make it happen?
Email a Mazda dealer some towns over, tell them your terms, then start a bidding war for your business.
Better get it done before the King's 35% tariff takes effect.
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
Out the door includes tax title and everything? I don't know what your state charges for all of that. Sounds possible.
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2017, 03:40:29 PM
Out the door includes tax title and everything?
Yup, all-inclusive.
QuoteI don't know what your state charges for all of that.
It's a 3% sales tax earmarked for highway use, ~$150 to the DMV, and then whatever doc/admin fees the dealer tries to add onto it. I estimated earlier $1000-$1500 total.
QuoteSounds possible.
It'd be ~$2500-3000 off the DSRP, which is currently crossed out on their website. They've got 6 MT Miatas on the lot that haven't moved in the 3 months I've been checking their inventory.
Too high? I don't want to play games with them, spend a bunch of time going back and forth with my bank, or screw with different dealers. I haven't mentioned yet but I'll have full-time access to someone else's car for two-weeks afterwards, so while I've got some room to play with, I'd prefer not to have to drive it for more than a couple days and this weekend.
$2500 off MSRP is cake. You can get that just through truecar. I'd want to do a lot better than that :lol:
I think Mike is saying paypal him $26k and he'll get you the Miata you want. Mike is getting a hard-on just thinking about negotiating with the 20 dealers between you and him
Quote from: 68_427 on January 16, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
I think Mike is saying paypal him $26k and he'll get you the Miata you want. Mike is getting a hard-on just thinking about negotiating with the 20 dealers between you and him
:lol:
Is there a Miata forum that has dealers present? That's how I found the dealer I ordered the M3 from. When I ordered the C6 there were dealers on Corvette forum that had some pretty attractive prices as well.
Meh, I'm just weighing the cost of what I want to put into the S2k vs what a new ND costs. Dealer desperation is going to hit full force in February when they're still sitting on 6 months of inventory of 2016s.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 17, 2017, 08:39:04 AM
Is there a Miata forum that has dealers present? That's how I found the dealer I ordered the M3 from. When I ordered the C6 there were dealers on Corvette forum that had some pretty attractive prices as well.
Not really. The miata forum is largely old men with zero taste.
I don't think the ND is a worthy trade for the S2K. I guess its a matter of trading ~500lb for like 100HP. That's a LOT
s2k is classic, keep it no matter what.
Miatas are plentiful, could always find one later.
You'll never lose money on the S2000, as long as you keep the rice off it.
Yea theres that too
Fucking Honda.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 08:42:20 AM
I don't think the ND is a worthy trade for the S2K. I guess its a matter of trading ~500lb for like 100HP. That's a LOT
500 lb is a lot, especially when the ND with bolt ons and a tune gets like ~180whp (probably more seeing as Goodwin got 190), which puts it within spitting distance of the S2K.
That being said, I'd keep the S2K as well. :lol:
I'll post in S2000 thread so I don't clog up Tave's
A'ight.
Turned in the TDI a couple hours ago. No mileage penalty.
Evidently VW doesn't make any adjustments for the 2 month lag time between offers and appointments. In other words, after I get my funds, which will take a few days longer than they originally stated, I then have to contact VWcredit to get reimbursed for the amount I overpaid on my loan. :banghead:
Thanks to Mike for the Truecar reference--I'd never heard of them before this thread but seems like a decent enough-service, and I get some sort of consideration for being an American Express customer. They're suppose to send me pricing on a red GT in the next day or two.
I still want a TDI. I hate seeing all of them get destroyed
:cry:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2017, 06:21:16 PM
I still want a TDI. I hate seeing all of them get destroyed
:cry:
If they can iron-out their emissions modification fix they'll turn around and start re-selling them and you might be able to pick one up on the cheap.
Just don't buy mine it was 2K overdue for an oil change and 4K overdue for its 40,000 mile service. :mask:
I gave it the 'ol Italian tune-up on the drive to the dealer though so it's all good. Farewell old friend!
Quote from: Tave on January 18, 2017, 06:32:44 PM
If they can iron-out their emissions modification fix they'll turn around and start re-selling them and you might be able to pick one up on the cheap.
Just don't buy mine it was 2K overdue for an oil change and 4K overdue for its 40,000 mile service. :mask:
That would actually be cool to have a sudden surge of used/B-stock TDIs on the market.
Quote from: Tave on January 18, 2017, 06:15:59 PM
A'ight.
Turned in the TDI a couple hours ago. No mileage penalty.
Evidently VW doesn't make any adjustments for the 2 month lag time between offers and appointments. In other words, after I get my funds, which will take a few days longer than they originally stated, I then have to contact VWcredit to get reimbursed for the amount I overpaid on my loan. :banghead:
Thanks to Mike for the Truecar reference--I'd never heard of them before this thread but seems like a decent enough-service, and I get some sort of consideration for being an American Express customer. They're suppose to send me pricing on a red GT in the next day or two.
So you had to turn in your car before you got your money?
Quote from: Raza on January 18, 2017, 06:48:37 PM
So you had to turn in your car before you got your money?
Yeah, they'll cut you a check but claim it takes 1-2 months longer to schedule that appointment. This is in addition to the 1+ month they made me wait between when they approved me and when they allowed me to return mine. All the while they dock your settlement if you go over certain miles. :wtf:
Is there a post here explaining here how the buyout worked ... was it much above say Kelly blue book?
Apologies if this a "Dave, what color did you get?" type question.
No there's no summary post and it goes back a long way. The process kinda evolved over time the further along it went. Briefly here's what happened for me:
-VW recalls my car in the Spring of '15 for an ECU reflash
-That August the scandal hits, over the next few months they start sending owners literature and soliciting potential claims through the "Goodwill Program"
-In November-ish they send me a $500 debit card and $500 VW dealer card
-They continue sending literature sporadically and pushing back the start date back.
-Summer 2016 they create the online portal and solicit claims for real. They give owners two options: 1) buyback at pre-scandal KBB value + restitution; or, 2) modification + restitution
-At this point no claims are processed beyond initial info and preferences
-Start date is pushed back and back and back
-Eventually portal opens, but they can't service the volume, most experience huge delays
-VW informs owners that those who selected option 2 will not be paid, if at all, until a modification is actually developed. If one isn't developed by 2018, VW will force the owner to sell it back (and levy the mileage penalty)
-My claim is stalled out in October and I'd originally selected option 2, so I request VW reset my claim in early November and I resubmit under option 1
-End of November VW processes my claim and starts "generating their offer" :wtf:
-Second week of December I get the settlement offer. I sign and scan it immediately.
-Dec 20th they process the offer and allow me to schedule a return appointment. Nowhere within a 100-mile radius had any date before Jan 18th
I've got a buddy with a Sportwagen that is still waiting for them to approve the docs (license and registration) he submitted in October.
Jesus, that's absurd.
Can they really force owners to sell back?
I'd never buy another VW if I had to go through that.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 18, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
Jesus, that's absurd.
Can they really force owners to sell back?
I don't know how far they take it after you've already opt-in to the class.
You don't have to opt-in, but you run the risk of your car being ineligible to re-register or unsellable down the road.
So I've got a good price (~3500 under MSRP) on a red GT at a nearby dealer. They've got my CC info on hold as a deposit, are pre-approving my financing, and we should be ready to close Monday. Thanks for that truecar reference--I spoke w some of my friends and evidently a couple had used it too.
Nice. Did you work a deal in person or over the phone?
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 20, 2017, 03:00:48 PM
Nice. Did you work a deal in person or over the phone?
Over the phone. Just put my contact info in truecar, selected the nearest dealer, and they called/emailed me a few times before giving me a price.
:dance:
Sweeet
Quote from: Tave on January 20, 2017, 02:59:33 PM
So I've got a good price (~3500 under MSRP) on a red GT at a nearby dealer. They've got my CC info on hold as a deposit, are pre-approving my financing, and we should be ready to close Monday. Thanks for that truecar reference--I spoke w some of my friends and evidently a couple had used it too.
:rockon:
Congrats!
MWTO
Screw Monday!
Dealer said they'd let me make a partial down on my CC while I'm waiting for my buyback funds. Should have it by tomorrow at noonish.
Quote from: Tave on January 20, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
Screw Monday!
Dealer said they'd let me make a partial down on my CC while I'm waiting for my buyback funds. Should have it by tomorrow at noonish.
A what, Fiata?
Actual Miata
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 07:16:48 PM
A what, Fiata?
A red Miata: the people's champion.
If the break-in period is short enough I might take a little trip down to Tail of the Dragon on Sunday. :dance:
I wonder how well the adaptive cruise control works with stick shifts. I fucking love adaptive cruise but I've only used it in AT cars.
Quote from: Tave on January 20, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
A red Miata: the people's champion.
If the break-in period is short enough I might take a little trip down to Tail of the Dragon on Sunday. :dance:
What? I thought you were in Wyoming or something.
The weather is supposed to be crap around here this weekend
Quote from: Tave on January 20, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
A red Miata: the people's champion.
If the break-in period is short enough I might take a little trip down to Tail of the Dragon on Sunday. :dance:
Pass by my house bro, I'm right off 485
*EDIT* Wait, completely out of the way
At the dealership now, they've got a launch edition RF with that burgundy interior and the gunmetal paint job in the showroom. Such a sexy ride.
Pictures of yours!!!
It's being washed/detailed while they're running my credit and putting together the paperwork. I was 1/2hr early so I've got a little waiting to do.
Everything is finalized, waiting for one of the salesmen to finish topping off the tank and then we are on the road baby!!!!
Quote from: Tave on January 21, 2017, 08:44:03 AM
Everything is finalized, waiting for one of the salesmen to finish topping off the tank and then we are on the road baby!!!!
:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Quote from: Tave on January 21, 2017, 07:52:14 AM
At the dealership now, they've got a launch edition RF with that burgundy interior and the gunmetal paint job in the showroom. Such a sexy ride.
Nobody wants to deal with the launch edition. Some dealers were asking +3k over MSRP. O_o
This one was presold before they even took delivery. The salesman said he can't keep the RF on the floor.
The server gave me a bunch of grief when I tried to attach some pics this afternoon and I'm currently making my way to DC on Virginia back roads. I'll get them uploaded mañana.
Sooooo much smiles. So many fun.
Currently raining so I'm trying to outrun the cloud cell so I can put the top back down.
Quote from: Tave on January 21, 2017, 02:55:04 PM
Sooooo much smiles. So many fun.
Currently raining so I'm trying to outrun the cloud cell so I can put the top back down.
Cool. Too bad this weekend is just rain rain rain.
Congrats dude! :rockon:
Sweet!
Stil no pictures :-/. I am dissapoint.
Still in DC! I'll be back later today and can upload then. I can't figure out how to pull the re-sized images out of my email to upload with my phone.
Imgur.com
They have an app as well, although getting the img code from the app is a PITA
Photobucket app or site. Killin me smalls.
I've spent way too much of my life copying/pasting and [img]-ing image links on my phone.
Quote from: 68_427 on January 22, 2017, 10:25:25 AM
They have an app as well, although getting the img code from the app is a PITA
Once it's uploaded, tap and hold the image and it'll give you an option to share direct link and you can choose to save to the clipboard
Quote from: Rich on January 22, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
Photobucket app or site. Killin me smalls.
it sucks so bad
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 22, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
Once it's uploaded, tap and hold the image and it'll give you an option to share direct link and you can choose to save to the clipboard
then you still have to type the img tags
Quote from: Tave on January 22, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
Still in DC! I'll be back later today and can upload then. I can't figure out how to pull the re-sized images out of my email to upload with my phone.
Use G+ photos, click "share this album", paste the link here.
(https://i.imgur.com/h7VSSaX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OGPRMQc.jpg)
:wub:
You should let me try it out, and make sure it's faster than the Versa
Hot damn, we have pictures!
Looks nice bro, congrats. Definitely the color I would have gotten too.
cloth seats?
congrats!!
Leather, it's a MT (of course) GT trim.
Nice, looks great. Will be funny for folks to see a 6' 6" dude hopping out of that tiny thing :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 20, 2017, 07:29:04 PM
I wonder how well the adaptive cruise control works with stick shifts. I fucking love adaptive cruise but I've only used it in AT cars.
It cannot change gears (obviously) but it works OK on my car. FWIW I can change gears myself while the ACC is on. Throttle stops as soon as I depress the clutch and then starts again when I let off the clutch.
There is also a minimum speed (I think 35 mph) on the 6MT while the auto can go all the way down to a stop and then start again. Other cars may vary of course.
I still miss the speed limit feature... seems like standard fare in Europe. You set a speed and the car won't go faster than that. Good for people like me with lead feet
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 05:51:07 AM
Nice, looks great. Will be funny for folks to see a 6' 6" dude hopping out of that tiny thing :lol:
It looks impossibly tiny from the outside, like no one should be able to get in it.
Inside it fits like a glove. I was a little nervous I wouldn't be comfortable on long drives but the trip to DC turned out to be a great litmus test. I have all the legroom I need but no room to recline. As a result it forces me to maintain good posture. That combined with the narrow side bolsters, webbed seat design, and the seatback heating element had me feeling like a million bucks at the end of the road trip. Usually anything longer than ~3hrs means guaranteed back pain.
:rockon: Congrats. Good call on the black interior instead of beige too.
Yeah, any comments on the adaptive cruise control? I find it to be a real hit or miss on cars. Some are great, some are terrible. My buddy's Mazda6 works really well, but my old Genesis was pretty rough with it.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 23, 2017, 06:56:19 AM
It cannot change gears (obviously) but it works OK on my car. FWIW I can change gears myself while the ACC is on. Throttle stops as soon as I depress the clutch and then starts again when I let off the clutch.
There is also a minimum speed (I think 35 mph) on the 6MT while the auto can go all the way down to a stop and then start again. Other cars may vary of course.
I looked at the manual. It has front facing cameras, but it's just for stupid shit: lane departure warnings and automatic high beam control. No adaptive cruise. BOO!
Quote from: Tave on January 23, 2017, 08:11:55 AM
It looks impossibly tiny from the outside, like no one should be able to get in it.
Inside it fits like a glove. I was a little nervous I wouldn't be comfortable on long drives but the trip to DC turned out to be a great litmus test. I have all the legroom I need but no room to recline. As a result it forces me to maintain good posture. That combined with the narrow side bolsters, webbed seat design, and the seatback heating element had me feeling like a million bucks at the end of the road trip. Usually anything longer than ~3hrs means guaranteed back pain.
So good to hear. Mmmmmm
Noooooooooooooo! Not ANOTHER Miata owner on MiataSpin! :shakesfist: :facepalm:
Just kidding! :lol:
Congrats! We expect some drift videos soon! :cheers:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 07:03:42 AM
I still miss the speed limit feature... seems like standard fare in Europe. You set a speed and the car won't go faster than that. Good for people like me with lead feet
That's the worst thing about driving my friend's cars in the UAE. They have a warning at 120kph and it beeps and the gauge surround flashes orange.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 07:03:42 AM
I still miss the speed limit feature... seems like standard fare in Europe. You set a speed and the car won't go faster than that. Good for people like me with lead feet
I have that feature on our Discovery, but I'm a bit leery of activating it in case I need some extra speed to get out of a situation. However, there is another feature that invokes a flashing symbol in the cluster when exceeding a predetermined speed above the limit...it always captures the latest speed limit by reading speed limit signs. I have it set to 20 kph about the speed limit.
The manual said not to drive at a constant speed for the first 600 miles so I've barely touched cruise control. I took back roads too so I wouldn't have used it anyways.
When you flip it on, the digital gauge cluster (normally engine temp + fuel) displays your mph and then you've got toggles on the wheel to adjust it up or down in 1mph increments. Pretty standard but about all you need and they packaged it nicely.
Really like the active headlights--I always forget to turn my brights back on after passing people.
The digital cluster is pretty schweet itself. Very clean and it integrates nicely with the analog tach/speedo. That temp gauge comes with a little blue hold light on startup that flicks off when the engine warms up and the needle appears.
It lets you know when to rev the snot out of it.
JELLY
Quote from: Tave on January 22, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h7VSSaX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OGPRMQc.jpg)
Congratulations! What color is it?
Soul Patch Red.
Steal Your Date Red.
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2017, 08:19:36 AM
:rockon: Congrats. Good call on the black interior instead of beige too.
I didn't see the red/beige combo anywhere near me. I would've preferred it being an easier color to live with in the summer.
They had to go a few shades too light on it to match the dark red and other colors though, the black pairs better with mine. I like the grey and blue with the beige a lot.
Quote from: Tave on January 23, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
I didn't see the red/beige combo anywhere near me. I would've preferred it being an easier color to live with in the summer.
They had to go a few shades too light on it to match the dark red and other colors though, the black pairs better with mine. I like the grey and blue with the beige a lot.
Blue and beige is a classic combination. With gray, I think I'd go black though.
Quote from: Raza on January 23, 2017, 06:49:44 PM
Congratulations! What color is it?
Looks sort of greenish/purple in those pics, but it could just be the angle.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 24, 2017, 07:05:37 AM
Looks sort of greenish/purple in those pics, but it could just be the angle.
I think more purple than green.
Can't see the pics. What color did you get?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 24, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
Can't see the pics. What color did you get?
I think we are still figuring that out.
I am almost positive the interior is a sort of tan(ish) grey though.
Quote from: Rich on January 24, 2017, 08:45:14 AM
I think more purple than green.
I'd call it more a bluish bronze.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 24, 2017, 07:05:37 AM
Looks sort of greenish/purple in those pics, but it could just be the angle.
What pics are you looking at? :confused:
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 24, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
What pics are you looking at? :confused:
You don't see the burnt yellow Miata?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 24, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
What pics are you looking at? :confused:
Try looking at it with your left eye closed.
If that doesn't work try again with both eyes closed...
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 24, 2017, 01:40:05 PM
You don't see the burnt yellow Miata?
I see a reddish bronzeish one.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 24, 2017, 01:41:19 PM
I see a reddish bronzeish one.
I think your monitor might be broken
Quote from: Tave on January 22, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h7VSSaX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OGPRMQc.jpg)
I'm looking at these pics...the reddish sorta car.
It is a kind of greenish blue, isn't it.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f38bedc23aaa74f6662791646c909d5e/tumblr_mtlgo6E4wq1s7ygpko1_1280.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on January 24, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f38bedc23aaa74f6662791646c909d5e/tumblr_mtlgo6E4wq1s7ygpko1_1280.jpg)
I see a penguin wearing a sombrero riding a donkey. Right?
(https://s28.postimg.org/oxrmiqnzh/enhanced_29104_1452187784_5.jpg)
Quote from: MX793 on January 24, 2017, 02:04:57 PM
Burnt mauve?
This might be my new favorite color. :lol:
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 24, 2017, 01:47:03 PM
I'm looking at these pics...the reddish sorta car.
Yeah...it's bluish bronze like MX said above
Also, nice pickup Tave
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 24, 2017, 02:28:52 PM
I agree nice truck tave
I'd call it more of a sport-ute with a lift kit, no?
Thanks guys. It's actually a black Ford StreetKa with a suspension made out of magnets.
lmao
I better get my monitor checked :(.
Quote from: Tave on January 24, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Thanks guys. It's actually a black Ford StreetKa with a suspension made out of magnets.
Is that like a slot car, so you don't have to steer?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 24, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
I better get my monitor checked :(.
LOL I believe it was a joke. Looks classic regular red to me.
(https://i.imgur.com/x9ImyCS.jpg)
Gay cars, showing each other their butts
I want more gay car pics.
Quote from: Tave on January 24, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/x9ImyCS.jpg)
Is that your car with Kevin's?
Also, why are you parallel parked in different directions on the same side of the street?
Quote from: Raza on January 24, 2017, 09:56:09 PM
Also, why are you parallol parked in different directions on the same side of the street?
Same direction shit is the fascism of the Nord. Down here you get in where you fit in.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 25, 2017, 05:29:02 AM
Same direction shit is the fascism of the Nord. Down here you get in where you fit in.
Fight the powers that be! :rockon:
Quote from: Raza on January 24, 2017, 09:56:09 PM
Is that your car with Kevin's?
Also, why are you parallol parked in different directions on the same side of the street?
The owner's name could be Kevin but I don't think he's one of our's. There's no one parked to either side of us: I just thought it looked good and made better use of the almost nonexistent light.
Sporty is right though--in a lot of communities around here they don't ticket for parking against traffic flow, especially for residential neighborhoods.
Quote from: Tave on January 24, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/x9ImyCS.jpg)
So is the one on the left a kind of greenish mossy colour or is it purplish blue? The one on the right is definitely burnt orange; or maybe a cinnamon tangerine.
Quote from: Tave on January 25, 2017, 10:09:31 AM
The owner's name could be Kevin but I don't think he's one of our's. There's no one parked to either side of us: I just thought it looked good and made better use of the almost nonexistent light.
Sporty is right though--in a lot of communities around here they don't ticket for parking against traffic flow, especially for residential neighborhoods.
That's dangerous.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 25, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
...cinnamon tangerine.
Another new favorite color. :dance:
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 25, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
So is the one on the left a kind of greenish mossy colour or is it purplish blue? The one on the right is definitely burnt orange; or maybe a cinnamon tangerine.
Those are clearly granite mica and vesuvian burple.
Quote from: Tave on January 24, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/x9ImyCS.jpg)
Even in the terrible light with this grainy picture quality, both cars look sexy as fuck. Nice
Yeah I'm terrible on the iPhone's zoom and I think autofocus washed mine out, but that pic had the best reflections off the RF. Here's one untouched from zero zoom.
(https://i.imgur.com/P93tAwt.jpg)
I'm a block away from that house grabbing an early dinner, if I get out of here while it's still light I'll try to grab a good pick of them.
Also popped its cherry a few minutes ago--the cop just let me know the tags were still showing up as registered to my V-dub. Better keep my fun under wraps until my new registration comes in the mail!
Not that it really matters: I have more fun at or under the speed limit in this thing than I ever did doing 20-30 over in the TDI. With that featherweight it just walks away from traffic, and by the time you're up to speed you're so low and glued to the road that it feels like you're doing 20mph faster than the readout.
I've actually had to force myself to go faster out of consideration for surrounding traffic when I find myself doing ~5mph under the limit. First time I've ever had that problem!
All good :rockon:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 25, 2017, 05:29:02 AM
Same direction shit is the fascism of the Nord. Down here you get in where you fit in.
:confused:
That's so dangerous at night.
Quote from: Raza on January 25, 2017, 05:49:39 PM
:confused:
That's so dangerous at night.
Eh its not that bad. Most street parking here is short term (i.e. people park cars in parking lots or driveways to sleep/store), and shit's just not that crowded. Where it is that crowded we line up with the direction of traffic.... but I probably parallel park like twice a month max.
Quote from: Tave on January 25, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
I have more fun at or under the speed limit in this thing than I ever did doing 20-30 over in the TDI. With that featherweight it just walks away from traffic, and by the time you're up to speed you're so low and glued to the road that it feels like you're doing 20mph faster than the readout.
+1
that's why I want another.
Quote from: Tave on January 25, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
I'm a block away from that house grabbing an early dinner, if I get out of here while it's still light I'll try to grab a good pick of them.
Also popped its cherry a few minutes ago--the cop just let me know the tags were still showing up as registered to my V-dub. Better keep my fun under wraps until my new registration comes in the mail!
Not that it really matters: I have more fun at or under the speed limit in this thing than I ever did doing 20-30 over in the TDI. With that featherweight it just walks away from traffic, and by the time you're up to speed you're so low and glued to the road that it feels like you're doing 20mph faster than the readout.
I've actually had to force myself to go faster out of consideration for surrounding traffic when I find myself doing ~5mph under the limit. First time I've ever had that problem!
Sweet! Keep the impressions coming.
Oh hot damn, those look good :golfclap:
Congratulations. Mazda makes the best red.
Tail of the Dragon today:
(https://i.imgur.com/peEh2Xc.jpg)
Quote from: Tave on January 28, 2017, 03:21:52 PM
Tail of the Dragon today:
(https://i.imgur.com/peEh2Xc.jpg)
Now that looks Red.
That is some kind of blue-green. Teal, I'd say.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 28, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
That is some kind of blue-green. Teal, I'd say.
I was thinking more of a periwinkle
Quote from: Tave on January 28, 2017, 03:21:52 PM
Tail of the Dragon today:
(https://i.imgur.com/peEh2Xc.jpg)
:golfclap:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 28, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
That is some kind of blue-green. Teal, I'd say.
fuscia! :rage:
I bought my MINI from flow wayyyy back in 2005 :praise:
So I did two round trips of the Dragon yesterday, both starting in NC. First was all the way then I did a shorty to the bridge and back.
Run 1) Absolutely clear, not a single car in front of me and I pass maybe two heading the other direction. At this point, I hadn't driven my car balls-out for any extended period of time, so I take it mostly in third so I can really explore the steering inputs.
Run 2) I'm starting to familiarize myself with how the car likes to be pushed but....Yuck. Miss a couple downshifts; get stuck behind a terrified genesis 4door; finally see some open road; then, screw this noise, some goon in a jacked up Ford towing his buddies' motorcycles decided to take a lap with the empty trailer, and wouldn't yield--sidenote but that should be a capital offense, he knew exactly what he was doing. There is a silver lining on this run though, in between the genesis and pickup I found my tire's limits and started dipping into TC for the first time. Not bad Mazda, not bad at all. It won't let you do a real drift but you can nudge out the tail in second on corner exits and the TC will snap you back in line and shove you forward with the barest whisper of braking and/or throttle interference. Enough to keep you from doing something truly stupid but not enough to slow you down.
Run 3) This is why you come here. A couple hundred yard in I pull up behind an SUV and a Mk7 red GTI pulls behind me a few seconds later. The SUV yields at the first opportunity and then me and the V-dub give it all it's worth. I've got the edge on corner exits and swithbacks but he has it on corner entries and straightaways. For the rest of the run we just fly, he saw me move the back end a little and was smiling at the bridge when we both stopped. I give him a nod and would've stayed to chat but I'm already 2 hours behind schedule and had to return some calls so I decide to jet.
Run 4) About halfway through me and a modified green NB run into a Buick with a handicap placard that refuses to pull over. We take turns leapfrogging each other to the cutoffs so that we're not just glued to the moving roadblock. Ended up in one of the same cutoffs and we talked for a bit before finishing out the day.
In terms of cars it was a little late in the season for most of the exotics, but I saw 4-5 modified NAs and NBs, a bunch of modified mustangs, and a red-on-red dodge viper that looked like the surface of the sun, that thing was HOT.
All the Miatas and the Viper waved at me. :thumbsup:
That Genesis was absolutely hilarious. You could tell from behind that the driver wanted to romp on it--all his initial inputs were really direct and purposeful--but the car would just spasm on throttle or mid corner and then you'd watch him try to wrestle it to a standstill so he didn't fly off the road.
Felt so bad for that guy I could see the frustration etched on his face when he let me pass.
I need to get up there again. So much fun with no traffic.
You could try to keep up with my Versa, or vice versa.
Quote from: Tave on January 29, 2017, 07:56:49 AM
That Genesis was absolutely hilarious. You could tell from behind that the driver wanted to romp on it--all his initial inputs were really direct and purposeful--but the car would just spasm on throttle or mid corner and then you'd watch him try to wrestle it to a standstill so he didn't fly off the road.
Felt so bad for that guy I could see the frustration etched on his face when he let me pass.
Probably autotragic shifting all over the place
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 29, 2017, 08:14:47 AM
I need to get up there again. So much fun with no traffic.
You could try to keep up with my Versa, or vice versa.
Light FWD is a good recipe there; I couldn't walk away from that GTI and I was working my butt off.
raspberry jelly here. Glad you can enjoy it to the max!! :mrcool:
Nice dude. I really want to drive/ride tail of the dragon at some point.
I also don't like driving twisty roads as much anymore because I know some asshole will be driving slow and won't pull over.
Cool thing about Miatas, even my old $2000 NA... Miata drivers wave at each other. All of them, every time. Cool fraternity.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 29, 2017, 03:00:55 PM
Nice dude. I really want to drive/ride tail of the dragon at some point.
I also don't like driving twisty roads as much anymore because I know some asshole will be driving slow and won't pull over.
People seem to be better about that on TotD than other roads I've been on. Every slower car I got behind pulled off at the first available place. The guys puttering along on full-dressers, too.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 29, 2017, 07:09:44 PM
Cool thing about Miatas, even my old $2000 NA... Miata drivers wave at each other. All of them, every time. Cool fraternity.
That could get annoying. I always figured I'd get a Miata, but maybe I'll go with a Fiat X1/9.
I've put 2K on it in less than 2 weeks. Everyone needs one of these it makes you feel like a kid, all your attention focused on how sweet it is to be driving.
Screw room, just get one you won't stop smiling.
Quote from: Tave on January 31, 2017, 06:27:32 PM
I've put 2K on it in less than 2 weeks. Everyone needs one of these it makes you feel like a kid, all your attention focused on how sweet it is to be driving.
Screw room, just get one you won't stop smiling.
Far too refined for my taste. I'd rather have something with more power, less weight and made a lot of noise. :praise:
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 31, 2017, 06:30:56 PM
Far too refined for my taste. I'd rather have something with more power, less weight and made a lot of noise. :praise:
I'm sure I've heard better 4bangers before, but man, if this doesn't have an excellent balance between intake and exhaust and fit the character of the car perfectly, I don't know what does. Between that and all the other "feel fast" factors I've listed, it absolutely seduces you into pushing it and rewards you every step of the way.
Quote from: Tave on January 31, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
I'm sure I've heard better 4bangers before, but man, if this doesn't have an excellent balance between intake and exhaust and fit the character of the car perfectly, I don't know what does. Between that and all the other "feel fast" factors I've listed, it absolutely seduces you into pushing it and rewards you every step of the way.
For what's available now at a reasonable price range, I'm sure that it's excellent. I was referring to old school; cars that make your hair stand on end just starting them up.
I know I'm being mushy and hyperbolic but I can't help it. If this thing blew a gasket and started leaking from the roof tomorrow I'd still sing it's praises. You're paying not-quite-bottom-market prices to feel like Stirling Moss. It tempts you to imagine yourself as a dogfighting pilot. Absolutely incredible. I hope Mazda is making these things 50 years into the future; the world needs a car like this.
Quote from: Tave on January 31, 2017, 06:44:52 PM
I know I'm being mushy and hyperbolic but I can't help it. If this thing blew a gasket and started leaking from the roof tomorrow I'd still sing it's praises. You're paying not-quite-bottom-market prices to feel like Stirling Moss. It tempts you to imagine yourself as a dogfighting pilot. Absolutely incredible. I hope Mazda is making these things 50 years into the future; the world needs a car like this.
Well, you're going to talk me into taking one for a test drive. Impressive mention of Stirling Moss. No one quite like him; and the old bugger's still alive.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 31, 2017, 06:41:27 PM
For what's available now at a reasonable price range, I'm sure that it's excellent. I was referring to old school; cars that make your hair stand on end just starting them up.
That's because you're so old you've lost your hearing!!! :thumbsup:
The art of sound is definitely an under-appreciated in this era. Those old V8s sound sooooo sweet. Nowadays even if you can still get one, they sound neutered in a lot of applications.
Quote from: Tave on January 31, 2017, 06:51:17 PM
That's because you're so old you've lost your hearing!!! :thumbsup:
The art of sound is definitely an under-appreciated in this era. Those old V8s sound sooooo sweet. Nowadays even if you can still get one, they sound neutered in a lot of applications.
Mainly the tinnitus, but those old sports cars may not have handled as well or even gone as fast, but it sure seemed like they did. Some were barely safe to be on the road; over powered with skinny tires, questionable suspension and live axles. Sunbeam Tiger comes to mind.
Quote from: Tave on January 31, 2017, 06:44:52 PM
I know I'm being mushy and hyperbolic but I can't help it. If this thing blew a gasket and started leaking from the roof tomorrow I'd still sing it's praises. You're paying not-quite-bottom-market prices to feel like Stirling Moss. It tempts you to imagine yourself as a dogfighting pilot. Absolutely incredible. I hope Mazda is making these things 50 years into the future; the world needs a car like this.
Yes sir
Seems 90% of people that love driving in the twisties love miatas. I'll never understand why Chris Harris doesn't think they are special. I get that he drives a lot of high end stuff but he also sings the praises of some turbo hot hatches with bad throttle response, awkward clutch engagements, terrible weight balance and nowhere near the steering feel of the Miata
Quote from: Tave on January 29, 2017, 07:45:44 AM
So I did two round trips of the Dragon yesterday, both starting in NC. First was all the way then I did a shorty to the bridge and back.
Run 1) Absolutely clear, not a single car in front of me and I pass maybe two heading the other direction. At this point, I hadn't driven my car balls-out for any extended period of time, so I take it mostly in third so I can really explore the steering inputs.
Run 2) I'm starting to familiarize myself with how the car likes to be pushed but....Yuck. Miss a couple downshifts; get stuck behind a terrified genesis 4door; finally see some open road; then, screw this noise, some goon in a jacked up Ford towing his buddies' motorcycles decided to take a lap with the empty trailer, and wouldn't yield--sidenote but that should be a capital offense, he knew exactly what he was doing. There is a silver lining on this run though, in between the genesis and pickup I found my tire's limits and started dipping into TC for the first time. Not bad Mazda, not bad at all. It won't let you do a real drift but you can nudge out the tail in second on corner exits and the TC will snap you back in line and shove you forward with the barest whisper of braking and/or throttle interference. Enough to keep you from doing something truly stupid but not enough to slow you down.
Run 3) This is why you come here. A couple hundred yard in I pull up behind an SUV and a Mk7 red GTI pulls behind me a few seconds later. The SUV yields at the first opportunity and then me and the V-dub give it all it's worth. I've got the edge on corner exits and swithbacks but he has it on corner entries and straightaways. For the rest of the run we just fly, he saw me move the back end a little and was smiling at the bridge when we both stopped. I give him a nod and would've stayed to chat but I'm already 2 hours behind schedule and had to return some calls so I decide to jet.
Run 4) About halfway through me and a modified green NB run into a Buick with a handicap placard that refuses to pull over. We take turns leapfrogging each other to the cutoffs so that we're not just glued to the moving roadblock. Ended up in one of the same cutoffs and we talked for a bit before finishing out the day.
In terms of cars it was a little late in the season for most of the exotics, but I saw 4-5 modified NAs and NBs, a bunch of modified mustangs, and a red-on-red dodge viper that looked like the surface of the sun, that thing was HOT.
All the Miatas and the Viper waved at me. :thumbsup:
(https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2012/12-20/bkknzm6Nt8-2.png)
Quote from: Tave on January 31, 2017, 06:27:32 PM
I've put 2K on it in less than 2 weeks. Everyone needs one of these it makes you feel like a kid, all your attention focused on how sweet it is to be driving.
Screw room, just get one you won't stop smiling.
I get the same feeling with my car. Sports cars for life!
I'm really happy for you, man. I'm glad you're enjoying it as much as you thought you would.
Goddamn, Fiat Canada has a $2500 rebate on all models right now, and a base model manual Spider Classica starts at $30,650. That's $23,534 US. :hmm:
Quote from: Rockraven on February 05, 2017, 08:40:26 AM
Goddamn, Fiat Canada has a $2500 rebate on all models right now, and a base model manual Spider Classica starts at $30,650. That's $23,534 US. :hmm:
Just wait until they're on clearance because no one is buying them!! ;) :lol:
Today was over 60 with clear skies and I had a 4hr roundtrip on back roads for work.
Evidently there were a few septic fields and cow pastures en route to my destination.
Still had a blast but woooo-eeeee!! That was pungent. Amazing how isolated you are from smells using a car's hvac. I drove it with my top up in the morning and couldn't smell a thing.
Quote from: Tave on February 06, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
Today was over 60 with clear skies and I had a 4hr roundtrip on back roads for work.
Evidently there were a few septic fields and cow pastures en route to my destination.
Still had a blast but woooo-eeeee!! That was pungent. Amazing how isolated you are from smells using a car's hvac. I drove it with my top up in the morning and couldn't smell a thing.
North Carolina? Pig farms. Good BBQ, though.
Quote from: Tave on February 06, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
Today was over 60 with clear skies and I had a 4hr roundtrip on back roads for work.
Evidently there were a few septic fields and cow pastures en route to my destination.
Still had a blast but woooo-eeeee!! That was pungent. Amazing how isolated you are from smells using a car's hvac. I drove it with my top up in the morning and couldn't smell a thing.
Oh yeah. Top down life has nowhere to hide from smells. Really the only minor drawback.
Quote from: Tave on February 06, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
Today was over 60 with clear skies and I had a 4hr roundtrip on back roads for work.
Evidently there were a few septic fields and cow pastures en route to my destination.
Still had a blast but woooo-eeeee!! That was pungent. Amazing how isolated you are from smells using a car's hvac. I drove it with my top up in the morning and couldn't smell a thing.
There's a trip I used to make to an Ultimate tournament in the middle of no where every year in the Miata. There was a cow or pig farm on the way. For whatever reason, you couldn't smell it approaching. But then it'd hit you with a stench for a solid 15 seconds. It was like hitting a brick wall. I dry heaved while driving two years in a row.
Quote from: MrH on February 06, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
There's a trip I used to make to an Ultimate tournament in the middle of no where every year in the Miata. There was a cow or pig farm on the way. For whatever reason, you couldn't smell it approaching. But then it'd hit you with a stench for a solid 15 seconds. It was like hitting a brick wall. I dry heaved while driving two years in a row.
Driving to work on Tuesdays used to be like waiting for a bomb to go off; that was the day solid municipal waste trucks would up and down I95. Once you got a whiff of them (which could be up to a mile out or more, especially in the summer), you had to do whatever you could to get ahead them. Once in front, the prevailing winds on the highway would keep you from smelling them.
Is it weird that I kind of like the smell of farming? Makes me feel like I'm in nature. I don't think it's the same though, only happens a few times a year on the route I commute on.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 07, 2017, 05:42:03 AM
Is it weird that I kind of like the smell of farming? Makes me feel like I'm in nature. I don't think it's the same though, only happens a few times a year on the route I commute on.
It's not nature. It's contaminated ground water.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 07, 2017, 05:55:08 AM
It's not nature. It's contaminated ground water.
This...farming is about as far removed from nature as you can get (other than a city of course). A standard suburban subdivision probably has more "nature" happening than a farm.
Fermented, liquified manure is the worst. You can smell that from miles. There was a farm right on the town line where I grew up that used that stuff and in the summer, everyone who came into town on that particular road would have their sinuses assaulted by the putrid stench of concentrated feces right as they passed the town's "Welcome" sign. Talk about a great first impression.
Quote from: Raza on February 06, 2017, 10:06:33 PM
Driving to work on Tuesdays used to be like waiting for a bomb to go off; that was the day solid municipal waste trucks would up and down I95. Once you got a whiff of them (which could be up to a mile out or more, especially in the summer), you had to do whatever you could to get ahead them. Once in front, the prevailing winds on the highway would keep you from smelling them.
I got stuck behind a trash hauler with my last Mustang a couple of years ago that must have been carrying rancid limberger. I switched the HVAC over to recirculation and got by as soon as I could, but the stink was somehow trapped in the HVAC system. Over the next week or more, every time I'd get in the car and turn the key, I'd catch a whiff of whatever vile substance was in that trash wagon coming out of the HVAC vents.
Quote from: MX793 on February 07, 2017, 06:19:21 AM
Fermented, liquified manure is the worst. You can smell that from miles. There was a farm right on the town line where I grew up that used that stuff and in the summer, everyone who came into town on that particular road would have their sinuses assaulted by the putrid stench of concentrated feces right as they passed the town's "Welcome" sign. Talk about a great first impression.
Sounds like landing at Kandahar (Afghanistan) airbase.
Place was designed for 4,000 people and ended up with over 20,000. The black circle here is the "poo pond" and you can find lots of fun internet stuff on it. It was originally at the far west edge of the base.... :mask:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/31%C2%B029'28.4%22N+65%C2%B050'20.6%22E/@31.4909763,65.8344837,1240m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d31.491224!4d65.839054
Quote from: MX793 on February 07, 2017, 06:27:37 AM
I got stuck behind a trash hauler with my last Mustang a couple of years ago that must have been carrying rancid limberger. I switched the HVAC over to recirculation and got by as soon as I could, but the stink was somehow trapped in the HVAC system. Over the next week or more, every time I'd get in the car and turn the key, I'd catch a whiff of whatever vile substance was in that trash wagon coming out of the HVAC vents.
Yuck, that sounds like a nightmare. Reminds me of the first time I did a burnout in a FWD car; my HVAC smelled of tire smoke for a couple of days after that. Much more pleasant than what you're describing, though.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 07, 2017, 08:09:35 AM
Sounds like landing at Kandahar (Afghanistan) airbase.
Place was designed for 4,000 people and ended up with over 20,000. The black circle here is the "poo pond" and you can find lots of fun internet stuff on it. It was originally at the far west edge of the base.... :mask:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/31%C2%B029'28.4%22N+65%C2%B050'20.6%22E/@31.4909763,65.8344837,1240m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d31.491224!4d65.839054
Ahhh, the poo pond. Right behind the laundromat. :lol:
Quote from: Rockraven on February 08, 2017, 05:45:01 AM
Ahhh, the poo pond. Right behind the laundromat. :lol:
I rode past it from my room to work every day.
Plus you could smell as soon as you landed that you were back in Kandahar. I took trips to a couple other bases nearby just to get away from there..
If they switched to composting toilets :hammerhead:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 08, 2017, 06:09:03 AM
If they switched to composting toilets :hammerhead:
umm, they have 20k people crammed into that little space. I don't think any composting toilet around would handle that much waste. There were tons of portapotties and they had plumbing for the other toilets.
Was the Poo Pond fed by Shit Creek?
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 08, 2017, 08:54:29 AM
umm, they have 20k people crammed into that little space. I don't think any composting toilet around would handle that much waste. There were tons of portapotties and they had plumbing for the other toilets.
Not one composting toilet. A thousand composting toilets. :lol:
I am curious, what inspired you to get the TDI vs. a car like a Miata in the first place? And what changed since then to get you to look at a sports car?
Quote from: Rich on February 08, 2017, 09:36:07 AM
I am curious, what inspired you to get the TDI vs. a car like a Miata in the first place? And what changed since then to get you to look at a sports car?
I didn't fit into the old Miata and couldn't find any manual Frisbees near me. Test drove the TDI and loved that engine and the interior.
I drive enough for work that gas mileage is an important factor in car choice. At the time I was also tired of living for ~10 years with a tin can car and wanted something with a little space. I woulda kept the TDI forever if I coulda, but when the opportunity came to be stupid with my next choice (I basically got 2-1/2 to 3 years of capital free ownership), I figured it was too good to pass up.
Super windy today and the top is holding up nicely. I'm glad I went with the Touring; the supple ride and unexpectedly good NVH are crucial factors in making it work as my daily. I've seen too many complaints about the Club and Sport tops and it kinda scared me off from targeting that Sport in my area.
On a similar note, there is zero cowl shake in this thing. Like I'm sure I can get it there but I'd have to do something that would produce the same effect in regular sedans.
Passenger-window-down buffeting is good noisewise but too chilly for some of these winter days.
I've always been a sloppy heel'n'toer so I was looking forward to practicing on something with "perfect pedal placement."
Well, the first couple weeks I'm in it, and I'm just not getting it. The gas/throttle seem just as far apart and unwieldy as in every other manual car I've driven. I always just assumed my feet were too narrow and long to pull it off.
But I stuck with it and am having sort of a revelation. I don't think my right foot was the problem at, rather the muscle memory in my left leg needs slight reworking. Getting a loooooot smoother.
Is your engine broken in yet? I can't wait to redline......
Quote from: Laconian on February 17, 2017, 10:51:24 AM
Is your engine broken in yet? I can't wait to redline......
Oh yeah, I hit 600 miles within the first 24 hrs of ownership. Took a trip up to DC the day I bought it.
Jealous!! I'm at 300. My redline is 4k. :mask:
If I haven't already I'm going to hit 3000 by Tuesday, the car's 1 month birthday.
Damn son. That's a lot of miles.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 17, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Damn son. That's a lot of miles.
That's more miles than a new Nissan Versa engine lasts before needing rod bearings.
I was a little miffed to find the MX5 takes premium unleaded, though. I thought the magic of SkyActive™® was that it achieved high compression on regular gas.
The NC and NB2 needed premium as well though.
You can run regular in it but it pulls timing.
I saw a youtube video awhile back with one of the ND project engineers and he said the MX-5's throttle is configured to respond optimally to premium, and that it gives the car better tip-in response. I've also read on MiataForum that the MX-5's headers are a little shorter than the 3's and require better fuel to make the stated power.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 17, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Damn son. That's a lot of miles.
:muffin:
Been crushing the road at work and then driving it on evenings/weekends every chance I get.
Quote from: Tave on February 17, 2017, 12:29:46 PM
:muffin:
Been crushing the road at work and then driving it on evenings/weekends every chance I get.
The ND is so nice I'm not surprised. If Kevin comes to Mountain View again in anything other than his ND I will be very disappoint. :nono:
Quote from: Tave on February 17, 2017, 12:29:46 PM
:muffin:
Been crushing the road at work and then driving it on evenings/weekends every chance I get.
This car must be really good.
I have a break from student interviews from 1-5. I'm going to rock the backroads near Mt Baker in the interim.
Quote from: Laconian on February 17, 2017, 12:52:03 PM
I have a break from student interviews from 1-5. I'm going to rock the backroads near Mt Baker in the interim.
Sounds like fun. I will join you in my CVT Altima.
Wait, nm. /wrists is more fun
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 17, 2017, 12:51:28 PM
This car must be really good.
I've always used driving as a way to blow off stress, but the Miata definitely kicked it up a notch.
Between the droptop, leightweight, and control inputs biased towards hard driving, it's hard to imagine having more fun in a car, period. More exclusive or special feeling? Sure, no question about it.
But for out-and-out pure fun and joy of being behind the wheel? I'd take it against anything. I meant it when I said a few weeks ago that this thing will absolutely make you feel like you're 16 in your first car again, everytime you drive it.
Man fuck that. When I was 16 I was stuck driving my parents' autotragic Accord. I don't want to feel like that again.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 17, 2017, 04:22:13 PM
Man fuck that. When I was 16 I was stuck driving my parents' autotragic Accord. I don't want to feel like that again.
LOLS
I had a dirt-eating 4wd-locked-diffs manual gutless super-low-1st-gear Subaru at 17. :rockon:
Quote from: Tave on February 17, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
I meant it when I said a few weeks ago that this thing will absolutely make you feel like you're 16 in your first car again, everytime you drive it.
I believe it, that's how my 93 Miata was (July2012-Feb2013).
I can't imagine more fun on public roads.
Wow underestimated that by a lot. Actually at 3500 miles already.
Headed up to the Blue Ridge Parkway.
So.....any future mod plans? I hear those engines respond very well to the usual NA tune up tricks
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Quote from: Xer0 on February 18, 2017, 11:23:24 AM
So.....any future mod plans? I hear those engines respond very well to the usual NA tune up tricks
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HA! Went to a cub scout "pinewood derby" today, someone had a car with a computer fan mounted on the back, for propulsion.
It lost, badly.
Quote from: Tave on February 18, 2017, 10:20:42 AM
Wow underestimated that by a lot. Actually at 3500 miles already.
Headed up to the Blue Ridge Parkway.
Jeebus. I haven't even gotten to 3500 yet. Have had my car for just about 6 months.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 18, 2017, 07:29:17 PM
HA! Went to a cub scout "pinewood derby" today, someone had a car with a computer fan mounted on the back, for propulsion.
It lost, badly.
I feel like that would be considered cheating for a pinewood derby..?
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 20, 2017, 07:56:32 AM
I feel like that would be considered cheating for a pinewood derby..?
They had the regular Cub Scouts only competition then an "open anything/anyone goes" for-fun competition.
Ahhh gotcha.
Quote from: Xer0 on February 18, 2017, 11:23:24 AM
So.....any future mod plans? I hear those engines respond very well to the usual NA tune up tricks
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None for the near future, need to keep the reliability, and more importantly the factory warranty, intact while it's my only car and I'm making payments.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on February 20, 2017, 06:42:29 AM
Jeebus. I haven't even gotten to 3500 yet. Have had my car for just about 6 months.
My commute is probably shorter than yours too! :evildude:
I've done 2 long trips but most of that is work mileage. I live less than 5 minutes from our office, but I drive out-of-county a ton throughout the work week.
Quote from: Tave on February 20, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
None for the near future, need to keep the reliability, and more importantly the factory warranty, intact while it's my only car and I'm making payments.
I'm assuming its a 5 year note? I'll check back in 2022 :evildude:
3/36k year actually. :cry:
6 year for powertrain.
Perfect, speeds things up nicely.
It will be fine. It's not a Nissan or anything like that.
I was just challenged by an old school red mustang 'vert. The first gen w the 289 (didn't those make like 180 hp at best?). I didn't even realize it was a race at first because I was too busy staring at his car. Dude lit up his back tires for 10-15yards and I had no trouble smoking him with a normal launch.
Lawl. On my scenic country drive today, I got coal-rolled by a redneck sociopath in a "CHOKE ON MY SMOKE" lifted RAM with a vinyl decal depiction of his entire assault rifle family. The fuck. Oh, also: "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE", apparently.
:erjerbs:
Quote from: Laconian on February 21, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
The downside of driving through rural areas.
I roasted two lifted trucks the other day. They looked like they were "racing" through traffic and ended up just a little bit ahead of me on both sides (3 lanes, I was in the middle lane). I gunned it and showed them what real muscle looks like.
And then I immediately had to brake to turn into the grocery store parking lot. :lol:
I've not been rolled yet, which is kinda surprising given how far into the sticks I get. Then again this is undercover car country.
I thought my first one was coming: dude in a 90s diesel with an epic Joe Dirt haircut (only missing the blade of grass/straw in his teeth) stared me down at a redlight and......told me "Hey man I like that car!"
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... a gentle hillbilly!
I knew quite a few when I worked at the farm store. There seem to be more of them than the angry stomping maybe-does-crank junkrats.
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2017, 11:21:46 AM
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... a gentle hillbilly!
I knew quite a few when I worked at the farm store. There seem to be more of them than the angry stomping maybe-does-crank junkrats.
Fact is most real rednecks are decent folk; but the more they go out of their way to identify as a redneck, the more of an asshole they likely are.
Quote from: Tave on February 21, 2017, 03:30:46 PM
I was just challenged by an old school red mustang 'vert. The first gen w the 289 (didn't those make like 180 hp at best?).
W/ a two-barrel carb they were rated ~200 (gross), but the four-barrel was 225. "K-code" (solid lifter, bigger manifolds, etc.) option 289s had >270, but they were pretty rare.
Quote from: 93JC on February 23, 2017, 02:46:49 PM
W/ a two-barrel carb they were rated ~200 (gross), but the four-barrel was 225. "K-code" (solid lifter, bigger manifolds, etc.) option 289s had >270, but they were pretty rare.
I would never assume a Mustang to be stock.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2017, 03:01:56 PM
I would never assume a Mustang to be stock.
Yeah probably weighed down with Pepboys stick on chrome bits
Quote from: Cookie Monster on February 23, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
Yeah probably weighed down with Pepboys stick on chrome bits
Lol, maybe. But most old Mustang owners are a bit more mature than that.
Quote from: Tave on February 21, 2017, 03:30:46 PM
I was just challenged by an old school red mustang 'vert. The first gen w the 289 (didn't those make like 180 hp at best?). I didn't even realize it was a race at first because I was too busy staring at his car. Dude lit up his back tires for 10-15yards and I had no trouble smoking him with a normal launch.
I had a kid in an old Buick challenge me once. I was so surprised, I almost didn't launch in time to whoop him.
Quote from: Laconian on February 21, 2017, 06:03:19 PM
Lawl. On my scenic country drive today, I got coal-rolled by a redneck sociopath in a "CHOKE ON MY SMOKE" lifted RAM with a vinyl decal depiction of his entire assault rifle family. The fuck. Oh, also: "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE", apparently.
Shit like that doesn't happen in Tokyo. I've only seen one pickup truck, and it was smaller than a Ford Ranger.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2017, 01:09:31 PM
Fact is most real rednecks are decent folk; but the more they go out of their way to identify as a redneck, the more of an asshole they likely are.
I tend to judge more by bumper stickers and the presence of truck nuts than the truck itself.
It's been a nice week for top-down driving but may snow Sunday, can't wait till we turn the Spring corner for good.
Car feels sublime, and I've got so much positive feedback from random people.
I'm not missing the space/practicality of the Jetta one bit (well, maybe slightly when I golf and my bag rides shotgun). Now that I've had time to reflect on it, I can only remember 2 times in 3 years that it was even useful: once for an Ikea run and once to pick up my Casper mattress from the post office.
Last night I fit four full grocery bags in the trunk. Not much room left over but it did the run just fine. The upright space is quite practical.
Quote from: Laconian on March 10, 2017, 10:27:58 AM
Last night I fit four full grocery bags in the trunk. Not much room left over but it did the run just fine. The upright space is quite practical.
My upper-limit for grocery runs as a single guy is ~$200, and it handles that no problem.
Really loving this engine it's such a sweetheart and eager all across the rev range.
Quote from: Raza on February 23, 2017, 08:28:39 PM
I tend to judge more by bumper stickers and the presence of truck nuts than the truck itself.
That's the self-identifying part I'm talking about.
Quote from: Tave on March 10, 2017, 01:21:52 PM
My upper-limit for grocery runs as a single guy is ~$200, and it handles that no problem.
My husband loads the grocery cart up with imported cheeses. I can't look at the checkout prices anymore because the total $ amount is a frequent cause of marital strife. It's one of his ground rules - cheese is like oxygen to a Frenchman.
And yeah the engine is great. I love driving up hills because it means I can nail the throttle for longer.
Quote from: Laconian on March 10, 2017, 02:47:05 PM
My husband loads the grocery cart up with imported cheeses. I can't look at the checkout prices anymore because the total $ amount is a frequent cause of marital strife. It's one of his ground rules - cheese is like oxygen to a Frenchman.
I could never get one of my ex's out of the store w/o multiple bags of burrata and various Texa$ Swiss stinkies. I feel your pain.
For simple 'ol me, $200 is around 8-10 store bags stuffed to the gills. I've got a blanket, jacket, neck pillow, and upholstery/widow wipes in there too; I could cram another bag or so if I emptied out everything.
Quote from: Laconian on March 10, 2017, 02:47:35 PM
And yeah the engine is great. I love driving up hills because it means I can nail the throttle for longer.
It prefers to be shifted high on the rev counter but is really torq-y down low and linear through its range. It fits well to the car's limits. I can see how it'd be fun to do drop a V8 in it, but the power delivery in cornering is so effortless in this that's it's hard to picture a better match.
3rd gear is best gear
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Quote from: Laconian on March 10, 2017, 02:47:05 PM
My husband loads the grocery cart up with imported cheeses. I can't look at the checkout prices anymore because the total $ amount is a frequent cause of marital strife. It's one of his ground rules - cheese is like oxygen to a Frenchman.
On my watch forum, it's money spent on watches that causes the marital issues.
On my car forum, apparently, it's money spent on cheese.
We're doing it wrong, I think.
The other weekend I wandered onto a gravel road on my way to a winery and had some fun playing with throttle-oversteer. It's soooooo much more progressive, catchable, controllable....whatever you wanna call it versus anything else I've driven, the balance is just perfect. We're suppose to get a little snow tmrw and I'm hoping enough sticks to have a some fun.
Quote from: Raza on March 11, 2017, 07:32:58 AM
On my watch forum, it's money spent on watches that causes the marital issues.
On my car forum, apparently, it's money spent on cheese.
We're doing it wrong, I think.
I've made peace with it; I just have to look away from the cash register's tally.
Quote from: Laconian on March 11, 2017, 10:09:35 AM
I've made peace with it; I just have to look away from the cash register's tally.
Lol my wife gets anxious about money, she looks away even with regular no-frills groceries....
Quote from: Laconian on March 10, 2017, 02:47:05 PM
My husband loads the grocery cart up with imported cheeses. I can't look at the checkout prices anymore because the total $ amount is a frequent cause of marital strife. It's one of his ground rules - cheese is like oxygen to a Frenchman.
Just to fuck with him, sneak a couple packages of Kraft singles in there.
:lol:!
But class it up with white American
SEE, IT'S MADE WITH REAL MILK PROTEIN PRODUCT!
IT IS A LEGIT USDA CHEESE DERIVED FOOD SUBSTANCE!
Quote from: 68_427 on March 13, 2017, 07:56:52 AM
But class it up with white American
The best kind of American.
Make. American. Cheese. Great Again!
I grate all my own cheese, thank you very much.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 13, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
I grate all my own cheese, thank you very much.
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I really don't like American. Cheddar is my fave though!
I hit 5500 miles in just under 2 months. At the dealer for my first of 4 free services.
Laconian definitely go with the shorter maintenance cycle. The synthetic Mazda recommends is super light and my butt-o-meter and ears tell me the engine prefers frequent changes.
I went back to the dealer I purchase from because it shared an owner/lot with a GM/Jag/Rover dealer and I wanted to waste my time looking at the Jags.
Saw a ton of F-Paces, XE 35t r-sports, XE 4cylinder gas and diesels, XFs and XJs, and F-type coupes (including an R).
One F-type convertible--red S model, tan interior w/ a stick. Absolutely gorgeous. It stickers for 92K which surprised me a bit; I thought they were a little cheaper. Checked the pricing when I got home and dang it moves up QUICK. You're 20K over the base model just for an S, the SVR is virtually double the cost of the car! I was also struck by how similar and large it looked compared to my car.
Quote from: Tave on March 19, 2017, 07:18:17 AM
Laconian definitely go with the shorter maintenance cycle. The synthetic Mazda recommends is super light and my butt-o-meter and ears tell me the engine prefers frequent changes.
Good to know. I'm going to change at 1k to get the little roller bearings out.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZeCbRcy.jpg)
Gorgeous!
I got rear-ended friday :( Body shop thinks we can take care of it with a new bumper cover and bumper assembly, but it still sucks to have happen to a brand f'n new car, and of course it's never as quick to fix as you want it to be.
The dude was a complete airhead and tried to joke around with me about it, which added another level of irritation.
:cry:
Damn, sorry to hear man.
Quote from: Tave on May 09, 2017, 01:27:46 PM
I got rear-ended friday :( Body shop thinks we can take care of it with a new bumper cover and bumper assembly, but it still sucks to have happen to a brand f'n new car, and of course it's never as quick to fix as you want it to be.
The dude was a complete airhead and tried to joke around with me about it, which added another level of irritation.
ALREADY?!?!?!?!!!!! Stupid tards.
Damn, that sucks. Hopefully the body shop does a good shop.
FWIW my S4 got hit and the front fender, front bumper, and hood all had to be replaced. The body shop did a great job color matching though. On the day I sold it I still couldn't see any difference in the paint. I would think that if you find a reputable body shop they should be able to fix things right.
Yeah I'm taking it to the Mazda shop and he's pretty confident the damage is confined to the bumper cover and (possible) the two-piece assembly behind the cover, and was just planning on replacing them directly. None of the parts are more than a few hundred bucks.
Still a PITA, especially for a car you actually like.
Sorry to hear. It's nice that the paint is fresh enough that blending shouldn't be a problem at all...your paint hasn't even had a chance to fade. (Assuming you just bought it new?)
Yeah I bought it new but it had been on the lot for ~6 months or so.
I hadn't heard back from the adjuster and was getting kinda nervous her insured was dodging her, called back and she told me the check is already in the mail, taking it into the shop on Monday.
Sucks, man. Hope it gets fixed quickly.
Well it's in the shop. They didn't give me an estimated return time, but I'm guessing "have a great week" means I shouldn't hold out much hope of it being finished by Friday.
The insurance company agreed to cover the 3-days on a Jeep Renegade I rented the day it happened to take a trip up to DC, so that was nice. Now they've got me in a Dodge Journey.
I wasn't a fan of the Renegade, but it rode pretty solid and came well-optioned. The engine was an absolute turd, and the 9spd was completely hopeless, but it handled the pot-hole ridden DC streets with ease.
The Journey is a complete POS with little to no redeeming qualities. The steering actually grows lighter under load; if someone wasn't paying attention they could probably snap the front wheels off by cornering too hard. I guess it's sort of roomy for the price?
Renegade to Journey is definitely a downgrade.
It's easily the roughest-textured steering wheel I've ever used. My left palm got a rugburn just letting it unwind out of a corner.
Quote from: Tave on May 15, 2017, 10:24:22 AM
I wasn't a fan of the Renegade, but it rode pretty solid and came well-optioned. The engine was an absolute turd, and the 9spd was completely hopeless, but it handled the pot-hole ridden DC streets with ease.
I had originally hoped that the Renegade was going to be more of a mini-Wrangler than the compact CUV that it ended up as. :( But at least it's good at what it was designed for.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 15, 2017, 03:51:33 PM
I had originally hoped that the Renegade was going to be more of a mini-Wrangler than the compact CUV that it ended up as. :( But at least it's good at what it was designed for.
Competing with the Soul?
Bruce Wayne drove a Jeep Renegade at the beginning of Batman vs. Superman. I have no idea why a multi billionaire would drive a POS like that. They dubbed in V12 sound effects to make it sound faster than it was.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 15, 2017, 03:51:33 PM
I had originally hoped that the Renegade was going to be more of a mini-Wrangler than the compact CUV that it ended up as. :( But at least it's good at what it was designed for.
To be fair I didn't drive even a gravel road. It had really good visibility, and as I said, rode well over broken roads. I didn't get a chance to adjust the AWD but it has multiple settings for different conditions. I can picture it being a decent trail bomber but couldn't tell you that for sure.
Quote from: Laconian on May 15, 2017, 05:07:35 PM
Bruce Wayne drove a Jeep Renegade at the beginning of Batman vs. Superman. I have no idea why a multi billionaire would drive a POS like that. They dubbed in V12 sound effects to make it sound faster than it was.
That entire movie was just a skeleton to hang product placement on, but they could have at least chosen a believable vehicle.
Quote from: Tave on May 15, 2017, 05:08:13 PM
To be fair I didn't drive even a gravel road. It had really good visibility, and as I said, rode well over broken roads. I didn't get a chance to adjust the AWD but it has multiple settings for different conditions. I can picture it being a decent trail bomber but couldn't tell you that for sure.
They're not incapable off road. Ground clearance is probably their biggest issue, but it's plenty for dirt roads and light trail use. They're like a new generation Geo Tracker. Tiny little SUV that can handle itself on a trail.
https://youtu.be/oYjwG4sFyhM
Yeah, after I made the comment, I looked into them a little more, and it looks like the Trailhawk wouldn't be bad at all.
I'd still don't see me getting one over an XV Crosstrek, for example, if just for reliability concerns.
I know someone that had their Renegade Lemon'd, and it was a huge ordeal as FCA didn't want to lemon it until a lawsuit was dropped on their doorstep. It was a base model FWD manual Renegade as well. It replaced a manual Crosstrek, and that family is now back into two Subarus.
Yeah, I had a friend that had a Fiat 500 Lemon Lawed, too.
How big of a turd is the 500e's btw? The ones that are coming off lease in Cali are super cheap.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 17, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
Yeah, I had a friend that had a Fiat 500 Lemon Lawed, too.
A friend with a 500 Abarth just had his shift linkage break for the fourth or fifth time. Car is off warranty now and apparently this time the parts made it past the 24 month new parts warranty.
FWIW the Renegade's tranny is the much-lauded ZF box and only programmed by FCA. It's absolutely atrocious.
On my way to pick up my Miata. Smell ya later Journey!
Quote from: mzziaz on May 18, 2017, 07:14:37 AM
How big of a turd is the 500e's btw? The ones that are coming off lease in Cali are super cheap.
Probably not as much as the normal ones. Fewer pieces to break in an EV.
Quote from: Tave on May 18, 2017, 02:00:57 PM
FWIW the Renegade's tranny is the much-lauded ZF box and only programmed by FCA. It's absolutely atrocious.
On my way to pick up my Miata. Smell ya later Journey!
One of the Renegade's autos is made by ZF, but it's not the widely lauded ZF 8HP 8-speed that is found in the likes of Jags, BMWs, and Audis. That gearbox will not work in transverse applications. The Renegade gets the 9HP 9-speed unit, which has been problem-prone in some applications (Acura TLX, Jeep Cherokee) and is not particularly lauded by anyone.
Well I stand corrected.
I've never had so many random people come up to me and start talking about cars as with the Miata. Every once in awhile my 1st gen 4Runner would get some love, but nothing like this.
Really? Nobody really cared about my NA and my ND seems to be nothing special now. I only get waves from NA stancebros.
Quote from: Laconian on June 21, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
Really? Nobody really cared about my NA and my ND seems to be nothing special now. I only get waves from NA stancebros.
Well in all fairness, your car is gray, so they probably just can't see it. :evildude:
Kidding of course that color is awesome on the Targa, but yeah it's multiple times a week for me. I think the Soul Red is probably more eye-catching, and there's also the novelty factor of seeing a guy at my height climb in/out of it.
Quote from: Tave on June 22, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
Well in all fairness, your car is gray, so they probably just can't see it. :evildude:
Kidding of course that color is awesome on the Targa, but yeah it's multiple times a week for me. I think the Soul Red is probably more eye-catching, and there's also the novelty factor of seeing a guy at my height climb in/out of it.
Well, he lives in Seattle as well and it's always raining. Who wants to stop and chat in the rain? :huh:
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 22, 2017, 09:13:51 AM
Well, he lives in Seattle as well and it's always raining. Who wants to stop and chat in the rain? :huh:
It's only rainy from mid/late fall to mid spring. Seattle summers are actually quite dry. The northeastern US (cities like Buffalo or Syracuse) actually gets more precipitation days per year than Seattle by a large margin.
I actually saw a gray RF the other day, but I wasn't in my car, so I didn't wave.
I noticed your lack of a wave. I was so sad.
I knew it was you because I recognized your watch and arm hair
Today I got a waive and a "Wooooooooo!" from a kid in a new Mustang I passed at an intersection.
Quote from: Laconian on June 22, 2017, 01:24:36 PM
I noticed your lack of a wave. I was so sad.
I knew it was you because I recognized your watch and arm hair
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I just got a new watch, though.
Getting after it on Dragon yesterday, might end up buying a couple prints (I'd never been in the summer, didn't realize photographers set up roadside)
:thumbsup:
Car looks great. Shame there's such an ugly driver ruining the picture.
Don't hate when you see me flexin!
Even though I got up there kinda late and my back is killing me this week, I made more passes (5 or 6 round trips) that I had on previous trips. Did some really clean runs with a couple fast groups.
By far the highlight of the day was playing with a red F-type SVR convertible. I saw him at the end of a lap I started from the NC side while he was coming in from TN, flipped around, and caught him before the bridge. We waited for a big gap, he opened his exhaust, and we just crushed it. I turned off my stereo the entire time because his engine sounded so great on the overrun. After seeing how well I kept up w him, he traded me the lead for the last stretch and I definitely made him work for it. I'd really like to find a print of the both of us in frame.
The Jag is phenomenal on corner entry and mid-corner, so dialed in. If you had told me it was ~200 lbs lighter than mine instead of 1000 heavier, just based on the way it looked as it attacked turn-in and flowed through the transitions, I would have believed it. That engine is a monster though, he had no hope of putting his power down on the exits. I actually did most of my damage on the "straights" by simply being able to hook up earlier.
Best part is the dude had a road bike and far-tire mtn bike on a backrack and was hucking it harder than the guys in Vette's, Camaros, and 911s.
Fastest group of the day (other than a couple solo bikers) was a motorcycle and Civic Si that were almost above my limit. We had a seriously fast run. I'm continually impressed by how well the FWD hot hatches handle that road; they're sooooo confident in the turns. Still can't put the power down like the Miata though. :praise:
That's some nice body roll. I guess I'll take that as proof of your speed.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 30, 2017, 11:25:56 AM
That's some nice body roll. I guess I'll take that as proof of your speed.
Needs coilovers? :ohyeah:
I had a huge "oh shit" moment about 5 minutes into the day. :facepalm:
Hit a loose patch of gravel and my outside rear kissed the road edge. Made such an awful noise, at first I thought I scraped the exhaust. Spent a good 1/2 hr hyperventilating and touching every spec of dirt on the rear undercarriage before I was convinced it hadn't hit. I think what happened is the shock topped out while I ran over some debris and/or my inside lip scraped and the diff stopped and/or it was hanging loose and the diff stopped. Alignment seems fine--no vibrations at speed and it tracks straight--but I should probably have it done anyway.
Dodged an expensive bullet. Even more freaky I wasn't on it that hard and had my TC on, just a gnarly bit of gravel.
Quote from: Tave on July 30, 2017, 11:11:41 AM
Even though I got up there kinda late and my back is killing me this week, I made more passes (5 or 6 round trips) that I had on previous trips. Did some really clean runs with a couple fast groups.
By far the highlight of the day was playing with a red F-type SVR convertible. I saw him at the end of a lap I started from the NC side while he was coming in from TN, flipped around, and caught him before the bridge. We waited for a big gap, he opened his exhaust, and we just crushed it. I turned off my stereo the entire time because his engine sounded so great on the overrun. After seeing how well I kept up w him, he traded me the lead for the last stretch and I definitely made him work for it. I'd really like to find a print of the both of us in frame.
The Jag is phenomenal on corner entry and mid-corner, so dialed in. If you had told me it was ~200 lbs lighter than mine instead of 1000 heavier, just based on the way it looked as it attacked turn-in and flowed through the transitions, I would have believed it. That engine is a monster though, he had no hope of putting his power down on the exits. I actually did most of my damage on the "straights" by simply being able to hook up earlier.
Best part is the dude had a road bike and far-tire mtn bike on a backrack and was hucking it harder than the guys in Vette's, Camaros, and 911s.
Fastest group of the day (other than a couple solo bikers) was a motorcycle and Civic Si that were almost above my limit. We had a seriously fast run. I'm continually impressed by how well the FWD hot hatches handle that road; they're sooooo confident in the turns. Still can't put the power down like the Miata though. :praise:
luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust :lol:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on July 30, 2017, 11:25:56 AM
That's some nice body roll. I guess I'll take that as proof of your speed.
:rockon:
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 30, 2017, 11:34:53 AM
Needs coilovers? :ohyeah:
It comes with Bilstein coilovers in the Cup but evidently they have the same travel/roll issues. I think if you wanted to really flatten it out, you'd need to lower the ride height, put super stiffies on it, or add some form of chassis bracing. Supposedly they fiddled with the rates on the RF and 2017s. I'm kind of curious wether the 2017s sacrifice any ride comfort and if it'll only benefit the RF since it has the extra weight over the rear.
I'm fine with the roll but given that it's my daily, I appreciate that the ride is about as comfortable as they can make it. Plus everything else about the cornering is so neutral--you can dial out any front outside push with steering, breaking, or throttle just depending on the situation.
When are you going to roll up there again? I'd like to go on a weekend in september or november.
Gotta get Sporty out there too
No return plans yet but I wouldn't need much convincing.
Quote from: Tave on July 30, 2017, 11:11:41 AM
The Jag is phenomenal on corner entry and mid-corner, so dialed in. If you had told me it was ~200 lbs lighter than mine instead of 1000 heavier, just based on the way it looked as it attacked turn-in and flowed through the transitions, I would have believed it. That engine is a monster though, he had no hope of putting his power down on the exits. I actually did most of my damage on the "straights" by simply being able to hook up earlier.
Best part is the dude had a road bike and far-tire mtn bike on a backrack and was hucking it harder than the guys in Vette's, Camaros, and 911s.
Fastest group of the day (other than a couple solo bikers) was a motorcycle and Civic Si that were almost above my limit. We had a seriously fast run. I'm continually impressed by how well the FWD hot hatches handle that road; they're sooooo confident in the turns. Still can't put the power down like the Miata though. :praise:
F-Type SVR is 4000lbs :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on July 30, 2017, 01:42:22 PM
F-Type SVR is 4000lbs :lol:
Cmon now, that beatiful, amazing, fat British porker isn't a hair over 3,800 pounds. :lol:
Found it! Was the best I could do, I ran through all the photog websites and couldn't believe only 1 guy tried to get us in frame together. Ended up ordering the two below and a couple solos.
Edit: see below for original images
Here was another I thought about getting, think the first one is a better pic and obviously shows more of my ride. Dang those bikes are hilarious though.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hq8FgCr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ok0yblI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NYj2gvE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kOE6kJB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ljdYy6u.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1EbeTPw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NYj2gvE.jpg)
:ohyeah: :muffin: :vapors:
Makes me so happy to hear someone actually driving their sports car as intended. You and Rich are the real heroes.
There's a guy at my job with a last gen Boxster S.... it's stickshift at least.... but dude drives like an absolute grandma. It's infuriating and depressing
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 31, 2017, 05:42:16 AM
Makes me so happy to hear someone actually driving their sports car as intended. You and Rich are the real heroes.
There's a guy at my job with a last gen Boxster S.... it's stickshift at least.... but dude drives like an absolute grandma. It's infuriating and depressing
Maybe he tracks or autocrosses it on the weekends?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 31, 2017, 05:42:16 AM
Makes me so happy to hear someone actually driving their sports car as intended. You and Rich are the real heroes.
There's a guy at my job with a last gen Boxster S.... it's stickshift at least.... but dude drives like an absolute grandma. It's infuriating and depressing
Aren't you the one who chastises people for driving at unsafe speeds on the road? ;)
Quote from: Raza on July 31, 2017, 07:04:59 AM
Aren't you the one who chastises people for driving at unsafe speeds on the road? ;)
Yeah, but to be fair he's also the one that has on throttle oversteer issues on his family sedan.
Quote from: Raza on July 31, 2017, 07:04:59 AM
Aren't you the one who chastises people for driving at unsafe speeds on the road? ;)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 31, 2017, 08:14:48 AM
Yeah, but to be fair he's also the one that has on throttle oversteer issues on his family sedan.
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So this Dragon place, they close the road off or what?
Quote from: MX793 on July 31, 2017, 06:31:13 AM
Maybe he tracks or autocrosses it on the weekends?
I doubt it. I know some weekend warriors here. They drive like it
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 31, 2017, 11:25:08 AM
So this Dragon place, they close the road off or what?
Nope. And it can get pretty hairy with so many blind turns. There are plenty of cut-offs to yield to faster traffic, but the most important part of driving it is lane discipline. You can't take any chances with the inside line.
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 11:42:06 AM
Nope. And it can get pretty hairy with so many blind turns. There are plenty of cut-offs to yield to faster traffic, but the most important part of driving it is lane discipline. You can't take any chances with the inside line.
You run into many sightseers? People just poking along?
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 31, 2017, 11:25:08 AM
So this Dragon place, they close the road off or what?
There are plenty of videos of shenanigans. YouTube search for something like "tail of dragon motorcycle crashes" or whatever and I'm sure there's some entertainment...
Another great curve driving road is the canyon between Logan, UT and Bear Lake UT. Problem is that it's got really good sight distance, and huge shoulders, so doesn't seem as intense.
Quote from: FoMoJo on July 31, 2017, 12:28:34 PM
You run into many sightseers? People just poking along?
Yeah, plenty of blue hairs in Park Avenues and RVs, most of them are considerate and will yield. You do run into oblivious a-holes that won't pull over, but the cut-offs also allow you to let gaps build.
The motorcyclists tend to be pretty quick, but I caught a pack of Harleys this weekend that were agonizingly slow.
Whenever I drive the Dragon it's like a revelation mixed w therapy.
Everytime I'm tempted to rethink my purchase--really, WTF am I doing at 6'4", driving 20K miles/year for work, with a Miata for a DD--I just remind myself how many smiles per dollar I generate and I can't think of a better car, period.
I'm not the fastest guy up there or the coolest car by a long shot, but damnit if I'm not nipping at the heels of the speed demons and letting out some of the biggest "Wooooooooooo's!" I hear all day.
Forgot to mention I caught up with a powder-blue, super clean S2000 hardtop tagged for NY outside of Asheville and saw them 10+ times the rest of the day waving at me. Really bummed we didn't get a chance to run together.
I wish I had a road like that nearby. :facepalm:
Quote from: Laconian on July 31, 2017, 05:17:18 PM
I wish I had a road like that nearby. :facepalm:
Oh poor you, you only have like the entire Olympic peninsula that hardly anyone drives. :lol:
There's gotta be some good back roads in the Cascades too.
I always thought the prettiest stretch of interstate in the US was that drive from Seattle to the San Juans.
Side note: mini-Seattle-vaca 3rd weekend in August and thinking about surprising the lady friend w a fast car and night-trip to Friday Harbor.
The Olympic peninsula is pretty bereft of roads (that nat'l park is huge!) There are scenic drives to be had for sure, but they're generally neither fast nor twisty.
I think my favorite road through the Cascades is Hwy 20. I-90 is boring in that it's wide, fast, and fairly straight. Central/eastern WA isn't really interesting to drive in either, unless you like endless rolling brown hills and sunburns. :lol:
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
-I just remind myself how many smiles per dollar I generate and I can't think of a better car, period.
I'm not the fastest guy up there or the coolest car by a long shot, but damnit if I'm not nipping at the heels of the speed demons and letting out some of the biggest "Wooooooooooo's!" I hear all day.
The guys at work snicker when I say "Miata". But I agree, even if my experience was just a 7month stint in a 19yr old bone-stock but repaired so it had 3 different body colors underneath NA ....
Quote from: Laconian on July 31, 2017, 05:17:18 PM
I wish I had a road like that nearby. :facepalm:
How long of a drive is it for you to get to Astoria/Portland?
Those driving roads were even better than the dragon, IMO. So much fun
Portland: 3-4 hours. Astoria, 6?
I want to drive/ride the Dragon at some point.
Access to amazing roads is what keeps me here, tbh.
Quote from: Rich on July 31, 2017, 06:02:00 PM
How long of a drive is it for you to get to Astoria/Portland?
Those driving roads were even better than the dragon, IMO. So much fun
The Dragon is the one everybody knows about and visits, but there are a ton of other great roads in the same vicinity without the tourist appeal (or crowds).
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
Whenever I drive the Dragon it's like a revelation mixed w therapy.
Everytime I'm tempted to rethink my purchase--really, WTF am I doing at 6'4", driving 20K miles/year for work, with a Miata for a DD--I just remind myself how many smiles per dollar I generate and I can't think of a better car, period.
I'm not the fastest guy up there or the coolest car by a long shot, but damnit if I'm not nipping at the heels of the speed demons and letting out some of the biggest "Wooooooooooo's!" I hear all day.
It's the way to be, brother. Who needs four seats to drive themselves around alone everyday? I smile every time I get behind the wheel.
Quote from: Tave on July 30, 2017, 11:36:04 AM
I had a huge "oh shit" moment about 5 minutes into the day. :facepalm:
Hit a loose patch of gravel and my outside rear kissed the road edge. Made such an awful noise, at first I thought I scraped the exhaust. Spent a good 1/2 hr hyperventilating and touching every spec of dirt on the rear undercarriage before I was convinced it hadn't hit. I think what happened is the shock topped out while I ran over some debris and/or my inside lip scraped and the diff stopped and/or it was hanging loose and the diff stopped. Alignment seems fine--no vibrations at speed and it tracks straight--but I should probably have it done anyway.
Dodged an expensive bullet. Even more freaky I wasn't on it that hard and had my TC on, just a gnarly bit of gravel.
I once put my nose into a ditch mid-corner in my old Miata kind of like that. Cooking along at just a little over suggested corner speeds, hit a patch of oil or something. I had been going 7-8 tenths earlier (public roads), and it was the 3 tenths that did me in...
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 01:13:53 PM
Yeah, plenty of blue hairs in Park Avenues and RVs, most of them are considerate and will yield. You do run into oblivious a-holes that won't pull over, but the cut-offs also allow you to let gaps build.
The motorcyclists tend to be pretty quick, but I caught a pack of Harleys this weekend that were agonizingly slow.
Fuuucking Harleys.
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
Oh poor you, you only have like the entire Olympic peninsula that hardly anyone drives. :lol:
There's gotta be some good back roads in the Cascades too.
I always thought the prettiest stretch of interstate in the US was that drive from Seattle to the San Juans.
Side note: mini-Seattle-vaca 3rd weekend in August and thinking about surprising the lady friend w a fast car and night-trip to Friday Harbor.
What interstate between Seattle and the San Juans? I-5?
Like Kevin said, WA-20 is a rad road. So is the Mt Baker Hwy in the last few miles, and Chuckanut Drive. Not much else I found in terms of curvy roads in western WA though. Everything is full to the brim with tourists/Seattlites anyway. There are a few here and there in canyons in eastern WA, nothing spectacular. However, there are a bunch of good empty roads within a few minutes of where I live now. :rockon: Just need to bring the 944 out of "storage".
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
Whenever I drive the Dragon it's like a revelation mixed w therapy.
Everytime I'm tempted to rethink my purchase--really, WTF am I doing at 6'4", driving 20K miles/year for work, with a Miata for a DD--I just remind myself how many smiles per dollar I generate and I can't think of a better car, period.
I'm not the fastest guy up there or the coolest car by a long shot, but damnit if I'm not nipping at the heels of the speed demons and letting out some of the biggest "Wooooooooooo's!" I hear all day.
Forgot to mention I caught up with a powder-blue, super clean S2000 hardtop tagged for NY outside of Asheville and saw them 10+ times the rest of the day waving at me. Really bummed we didn't get a chance to run together.
Yeah, that ND is a fucking awesome car. Glad to hear you're enjoying it.
Quote from: Tave on July 31, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
Forgot to mention I caught up with a powder-blue, super clean S2000 hardtop tagged for NY
yeeeee
Had the alignment done this morning.
It was tracking straight as an arrow but the rear end felt unsettled and low-speed steering effort was a hair assymetric. Both issues appear to be fixed.
I went to a chain, yeah yeah but the price was right, they gave me a lifetime warranty on it (will pay for itself the next time I need one), and it's the most convenient shop in town in terms of walk-ins.
After 7 months I'm at 15K miles and the tires will probably need replacing soon unless I tone it down. :lol:
205/45R17 tires are surprisingly expensive
Quote from: Tave on August 26, 2017, 07:43:02 AM
Had the alignment done this morning.
It was tracking straight as an arrow but the rear end felt unsettled and low-speed steering effort was a hair assymetric. Both issues appear to be fixed.
I went to a chain, yeah yeah but the price was right, they gave me a lifetime warranty on it (will pay for itself the next time I need one), and it's the most convenient shop in town in terms of walk-ins.
After 7 months I'm at 15K miles and the tires will probably need replacing soon unless I tone it down. :lol:
Jeebus. I am a year in with my car and I barely cracked 6k miles.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 28, 2017, 06:32:30 AM
Jeebus. I am a year in with my car and I barely cracked 6k miles.
Unthusiast.
Tave and sporty, Pick a dragon weekend
Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 28, 2017, 06:32:30 AM
Jeebus. I am a year in with my car and I barely cracked 6k miles.
Obviously if you hadn't bought an overpriced econobox, you might want to drive your car more :lol:
Live and learn I guess. :hmm:
My MX5 has about 2500 miles on it, after 7mos of ownership.
Quote from: Laconian on August 28, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
My MX5 has about 2500 miles on it, after 7mos of ownership.
y don't u dryv?
I do, but my commute is 5 miles.
Quote from: Laconian on August 28, 2017, 12:12:56 PM
I do, but my commute is 5 miles.
He means fun dryv. :mrcool:
Quote from: Rich on August 28, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
Unthusiast.
Tave and sporty, Pick a dragon weekend
I'm not the one with a wife and baby on the way, and my gf lives on the opposite side of the country, so I'm pretty wide open. Could do it as early as this weekend. Whatchu thinking.
Quote from: Tave on August 28, 2017, 05:32:39 PM
I'm not the one with a wife and baby on the way, and my gf lives on the opposite side of the country, so I'm pretty wide open. Could do it as early as this weekend. Whatchu thinking.
I'm thinking early October, but you're right... the wife/baby dude should probably pick.
I don't think I'm gonna be able to get out to the dragon any time soon. But you motherfuckers can come kart... there's a track 10 minutes from my house. We can grill and shit after
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 29, 2017, 06:05:59 AM
I don't think I'm gonna be able to get out to the dragon any time soon. But you motherfuckers can come kart... there's a track 10 minutes from my house. We can grill and shit after
Wait, why would you want to shit together...? Is this some new hipster way of male bonding...? :confused:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 29, 2017, 06:05:59 AM
I don't think I'm gonna be able to get out to the dragon any time soon. But you motherfuckers can come kart... there's a track 10 minutes from my house. We can grill and shit after
Deal, which day? October is shit for me
My bday weekend, the 16-17th
I will put out a bro beacon and we can make a little day of it
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 30, 2017, 06:25:29 AM
My bday weekend, the 16-17th
I will put out a bro beacon and we can make a little day of it
Sounds good. I'm in
There's a possibility I'm visiting family or friends that weekend, but if not I could be convinced.
Also NC 66, the mini-dragon, is about 15 miles away from me, it'd be a lot easier trip for y'all than Deal's Gap.
Quote from: Tave on August 30, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
Also NC 66, the mini-dragon, is about 15 miles away from me, it'd be a lot easier trip for y'all than Deal's Gap.
Married kid dude said gokarting.
I could do mini or real dragon another day though. Roads are not fun down where I'm at.
Quote from: Rich on August 30, 2017, 05:47:08 PM
Married kid dude said gokarting.
I could do mini or real dragon another day though. Roads are not fun down where I'm at.
LOL FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING and/or TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFFIC
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 31, 2017, 07:34:22 AM
LOL FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING and/or TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFFIC
Florida?
Coastal Carolina I believe. Same type of geography.
Tave how far are you from CLT?
I'll actually be in Greensville and Raleigh the week of the 18th.
Quote from: MrH on August 31, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
I'll actually be in Greensville and Raleigh the week of the 18th.
Complete the triangle!
Let's go Mike