I've mentioned it other threads, but never had a chance to write a review and the whole story.
I've been following the development of this car for years, just like all of you have. When it officially debuted, I loved the looks of the BRZ. The Scion, not quite as much. I didn't think I'd realistically buy one though. However, when I went to the Geneva auto show for work, I had a chance to spend some time sitting in both the BRZ and Toyota 86. After just sitting in one, I was excited. Fits like a damn glove. The best driving position I've seen, and I feel like I've sat in just about everything out there.
And therein lies most of my problems with the Miata. I don't fit very well. At 6'2", and mostly torso, the lumbar support ends of being too low, the bolsters are too close together that it constantly squeezes my lats and shoulders uncomfortably, and if I sit up straight, my head pushes the top up an inch or two. It makes the entire winter season an awkward slouch. I just feel like it's always been built for tiny japanese men, not americans.
Then there are the dynamic issues with the Miata. I love blasting down the road with the top down, music blasting. But the lingering cowl shake bothered me. It's stiff for a convertible. But it always had that modifier..."for a convertible". The enginerd in me doesn't like the idea I'm adding weight and losing torsional rigidity with a convertible vs a hardtop. Combine that with the horrible low speed damping, I knew I had to change something. I was looking to do a full suspension redo. But then thought, why not just start with a better platform to begin with?
I call my car nut friend Adam, explain I'm debating whether to dump money into the miata to fix what I don't like, or maybe get a BRZ. He's an absolute stud when it comes to working on cars, so he would be the one helping with the miata. He said he had a buddy who worked a local subaru dealer, and he should be able to get me a test drive. A few calls later, and I was one of the few in the nation getting a test drive in the car without committing to anything. I test drove a Premium silver 6-speed one. I made two videos with a brief look at the interior. I work for a big supplier that makes interiors for a handful of OEMs. I'll spare you all the video where I just nerd out about the construction techniques for work purposes :lol:
It was just a short trip. Pushed it a bit, but nothing crazy.
Drivetrain - This has been getting a lot of heat from the automotive press. Simply put, it won't blow you away. It's feels almost exactly the same as my Miata in terms of quickness. Higher revving, more torque, but geared a bit taller and it's slightly heavier. Engine sounds great though. Much throatier than my car. The shifter is great. A bit taller than some of the other benchmarks out there (RX-8, Miata, S2000, etc), but the throws are still short. It's VERY direct, very low effort. I think I liked it better than my car honestly.
Handling - Unbelievably flat, while still being compliant enough to deal comfortably with all sorts of road irregularities. This is the benefit to such a low weight and low CG. The rigidity of the body compared to my car was noticable. For a change, the suspension was allowed to do it's work, while the body just stayed put. The damping is soooo much better. The movement of the Miata on highways is that of a boxer. It bobs and weaves all over the place. The BRZ was just planted.
Steering feel - The electric steering is the best I've felt so far. Seemed a bit lighter than the incumbent, but less tiring on the highway. The ratio is a bit slower, and there's a slight dead spot on center, but this isn't a bad thing. Makes high speed cruising sooo much easier. Any bump will causes constant correction in the Miata.
Brake feel - plain and simple, best I've experiened in a car. Very firm pedal with all the feel you could ask for. I'm not sure why there isn't more praise for these.
Driving position - This is what seals the deal for me. You basically sit on the floor. I got enough head room for a helmet. Controls are intuitive and all within reach. Everything just feels right. I swear they found a japanese double of myself when they made the car. The only thing I didn't like about this is the position of the pedals. The brake pedal is waaaaay too high to heel toe. I'm sure I'll adjust, but the first time I tried was comical.
Conclusion - If this car was close to the Miata in driving dynamics, I would have gone with it. But you consider that is actually has BETTER dynamics all while fitting me better and being more practical, it was a no brainer. Hands down the best driving car I've experienced. And I've driven pretty much everything in this sub $50k sporty car class. I didn't think anything would ever touch my car. It just trounced it in terms of driving enjoyment.
It turns out this dealership I test drove happens to sell a ton of WRXs and STIs, which is what determines how many BRZs the dealership will get. It's a tiny Subaru dealership, but right next to the Air Force base here, so it's definitely an enthusiast dealership that a lot of young guys in the Air Force use. They're getting 7-8 BRZs this year (which is really high actually). They had one spot open, so I put my name on the list.
I got a call a few weeks ago. Turns out my production moved way forward. I ordered a Limited World Rally Blue BRZ with a 6-speed with a July 16th ETA. :rockon: Videos will be up later.
Congrats man! I definitely love the FRS/BRZ but still don't think I'd trade my car for one. One things for sure though - I really want to meet up with you after you get your car to compare and to see what you think of my car vs the BRZ.
I wanna see the engineerd vid. Want to know how this stuff is made
My dealership is only getting two. It's just silly. Either make more of them or charge more for them. Econ 101.
BRZ is dumbest name ever. Great car though.
Quote from: SVT666 on June 25, 2012, 09:52:02 AM
BRZ is dumbest name ever. Great car though.
It does kind of sound like a fart followed by peeing
FR-S does too lol
Great cars though
They should have been given cheery Japanese names like Harmony, Amicable, Raport, or Unity.
Drift King Joy Pop Turbo R
Subaru Licky Licky Fun Time Z
I keep thinking burrrrrz, like it's cold out. I think the Subaru Titty Hard On is an appropriate name then too.
Congrats!
And the "real name" is GT-86, didn't realise that you guys had a different name until ifcar corrected me
GT86 is cooler, I don't know what auto manufacturers fetishize three meaningless letter sequences like they do here.
Toyobaru need to pimp out their H&H.
Trueno and Alcyone.
Got the VIN number. Getting insurance quotes now :rockon:
Still on schedule for a July 16th delivery date. I just called the dealership and said don't you dare drill into the front bumper for a license plate (technically my state requires it, but I ran two years without it on the Miata), no dealership decals, and don't detail it. I want this thing with the plastic still on it. Last thing I want is the dealership swirling the hell out of the clear coat.
Quote from: MrH on June 25, 2012, 03:51:34 PM
Got the VIN number. Getting insurance quotes now :rockon:
Still on schedule for a July 16th delivery date. I just called the dealership and said don't you dare drill into the front bumper for a license plate (technically my state requires it, but I ran two years without it on the Miata), no dealership decals, and don't detail it. I want this thing with the plastic still on it. Last thing I want is the dealership swirling the hell out of the clear coat.
I've been rolling no front plate on the Yaris since I got it. I don't think cops can pull you over unless they have some other citation they want to issue.
Quote from: MrH on June 25, 2012, 03:51:34 PM
Got the VIN number. Getting insurance quotes now :rockon:
Still on schedule for a July 16th delivery date. I just called the dealership and said don't you dare drill into the front bumper for a license plate (technically my state requires it, but I ran two years without it on the Miata), no dealership decals, and don't detail it. I want this thing with the plastic still on it. Last thing I want is the dealership swirling the hell out of the clear coat.
Good man.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 29, 2012, 10:47:07 PM
I've been rolling no front plate on the Yaris since I got it. I don't think cops can pull you over unless they have some other citation they want to issue.
They can, but in general I don't think they do.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 29, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
They can, but in general I don't think they do.
Surrounding states don't require a front plate, so they would have to wait to see the rear plate before pulling them over. I doubt most cops care that much, or pay that much attention to normal cars acting normal.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 29, 2012, 11:39:19 PM
Surrounding states don't require a front plate, so they would have to wait to see the rear plate before pulling them over. I doubt most cops care that much, or pay that much attention to normal cars acting normal.
I'd be torn on this issue.
If I still owned the S2000, which would have looked stupid with the front plate, I don't know what I'd do. Its my general policy to never give a cop an easy excuse to pull you over like that, but in that case I might make an exception.
Thankfully, Michigan does not require front plates.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 29, 2012, 11:39:19 PM
Surrounding states don't require a front plate, so they would have to wait to see the rear plate before pulling them over. I doubt most cops care that much, or pay that much attention to normal cars acting normal.
Ohio is suppose to be going the rear only route soon. I never put a front plate on the C6 but my G8 already had a front plate holder installed. I keep the Corolla register in MI so it's not a problem. But just last week I had to drill two holes in the front of a friends Malibu because she'd been stopped twice for no front plate.
My state is front-plate mandatory, and one WILL get pulled over right quick without one. At least part of it is in the area tolls on bridges have been instituted; the system uses a vision system to get your plate while you're moving (i.e., no toll booths) with which they mail you the bill in the mail.
And I missed that MrH is getting a BRZ - congrats.
I would never live in a state with front plates. Never
And I think it's really cool that you're getting a BRZ. One of the best cars out today I think.
Speaking of license plates, I'm going to be sad to see the CT plate go. It goes really well with my paint and the Texas plate will look quite a bit worse.
Thanks guys. Yeah, I've gone two years, nothing on the no front plate. Maybe a small sports car gets more leeway?
It'll take three tickets in he BRZ before i do something about it. At that point, I'll just get a bracket that attaches through the tow hook or something. No way in hell I'm drilling it. Especially since it's supposed to change soon.
Apparently the best tint guy in Dayton is a guy named Lil E. I asked if he was a rapper on the side. Turns out he's a midget :lol:
Clear corners are getting put on immediately. Hate the orange corners with the blue.
Two questions for everyone:
1. I'm running a dedicated summer and winter wheel and tire setup. Do i keep the stock wheels and tires for my summer setup and get cheap wheels and snow tires? Or do i use the stock rims for winter, and get something different for summer (and stockier tires)?
2. Do i debadge? Both the BRZ and Subaru, or just he Subaru? I debadged the Miata because it was just too much chrome on a tiny trunk lid.
Also, got some cool ideas using expensive work equipment! They're selling a console armrest and lid through Scion as a dealer accessory this winter. Probably going to buy it, cut all the skin off, put better padding underneath, then sew a three piece skin with synthetic leather and alcantara to match the seats. Red thread and french seams too. I'll be using a robotic cutter to make the skins and cut my patterns to make my taillights all red.
Oh, and I read into how they determine the VIN number.
Turns out I'm number #1598 out of this year's 6,000! No idea how I'm so far up the build list, but I am apparently.
Please don't debadge. The whole point of the BRZ is that it's not a Scion. You should be flying a flag behind it to celebrate this fact.
Yeah, don't de-badge it.
Ontario requires a front plate, and the fuckers pulled me over 2 weeks after I arrived here for no front plate, and I told them I had 90 days to get a plate. Got a warning, but I think it's a $195 fine for not having a front plate. Stupid.
I just hate when they spell out Subaru on the back. Seems unnecessary. There's already a subaru badge a few inches away!
Overseas, they don't have it spelling out subaru. Just the BRZ badge and the typical blue star shit from subaru.
I can't wait to see pics. Like I said, this would be my purchase as well if I went new. Pissed that my colour isn't available in Canada though (dark gray). I would want dark gray with gold BBS wheels.
Quote from: MrH on June 30, 2012, 01:28:51 PM
I just hate when they spell out Subaru on the back. Seems unnecessary. There's already a subaru badge a few inches away!
Overseas, they don't have it spelling out subaru. Just the BRZ badge and the typical blue star shit from subaru.
Like 280Z said... wear it with pride.
We've got too many kids here taking off badges and dipping their wheels in candle wax.
It's like you guys get bored with shiny new cars that don't have cosmetic problems.
There's a good article in August's C&D about Toyota how fucked up big time in making the FRS a Scion. Totally agree. They should have gone with what enthusiasts fondly remember, like Celica, Supra, or GT86. Everyone associates Scion with boxy little crap cars, and instead of improving the image, they'll lose many sales to Subaru.
The back is just so cluttered. I'll be lamin-Xing the taillights red first, and I'l see how it looks then with the badges. Tint, clear corners, and red taillights all come first before considering debadging.
What are everyone's thoughts on the wheels? Use the stock wheels as summer wheels or winter?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 30, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
We've got too many kids here taking off badges and dipping their wheels in candle wax.
It's like you guys get bored with shiny new cars that don't have cosmetic problems.
When I shop for a used car and badges are missing, red flags go up.
Quote from: MrH on June 30, 2012, 01:40:22 PM
The back is just so cluttered. I'll be lamin-Xing the taillights red first, and I'l see how it looks then with the badges. Tint, clear corners, and red taillights all come first before considering debadging.
What are everyone's thoughts on the wheels? Use the stock wheels as summer wheels or winter?
Mount winters on them, and get some nice gold/bronze wheels for summers. That's what I'd do, since I'm not fond of the OEMs.
Yeah, the stock wheels are a bit ugly.
FR-S def should have been a Celica, completely agree.
Hopefully they use this platform to make a Supra. That would be a more appropriate marque to throw a big turbo engine into.
Turbo development on the ft86 forum is lolz bad. The "tuner" doing the work seems to know less than half the guys on there. People are going to trust their cars with his work. :facepalm:
Quote from: Rockraven on June 30, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
There's a good article in August's C&D about Toyota how fucked up big time in making the FRS a Scion. Totally agree. They should have gone with what enthusiasts fondly remember, like Celica, Supra, or GT86. Everyone associates Scion with boxy little crap cars, and instead of improving the image, they'll lose many sales to Subaru.
Although I do agree that this car should be called "Toyota Celica" (especially since the AE86's sporting heritage and notoriety didn't come until relatively recently) I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Although I think Scion is now redundant since most all manufacturers have a decent subcompact for you to buy, and Scions are actually pretty mediocre now.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 01, 2012, 10:20:55 AM
Although I do agree that this car should be called "Toyota Celica" (especially since the AE86's sporting heritage and notoriety didn't come until relatively recently) I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Although I think Scion is now redundant since most all manufacturers have a decent subcompact for you to buy, and Scions are actually pretty mediocre now.
I think it IS going to be a big deal. It's a great car, but enthusiasts don't want a Scion. Petty to some, yes... but it's a fact, and it's going to hurt sales.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 30, 2012, 10:40:22 AM
My state is front-plate mandatory, and one WILL get pulled over right quick without one.
Here too. Although I know a guy with an A4 who refuses to put a front plate on and just pays the tickets whenever he gets one. I think it's a $54 ticket and he just kinda rolls it into the price of the car psychologically. It's a no-points ticket so he really doesn't care.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
I think it IS going to be a big deal. It's a great car, but enthusiasts don't want a Scion. Petty to some, yes... but it's a fact, and it's going to hurt sales.
Hasn't stopped Hyundai.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 01, 2012, 10:44:15 AM
Hasn't stopped Hyundai.
Hyundai is held in much higher regard these days, but I also believe that the Genesis sedan and coupe would have benefitted greatly if Genesis were an offshoot premium brand, like Lexus or Infiniti. Some still have a problem with a Hyundai badge on their sports coupe, and sales suffer because of it.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 10:55:10 AM
Hyundai is held in much higher regard these days, but I also believe that the Genesis sedan and coupe would have benefitted greatly if Genesis were an offshoot premium brand, like Lexus or Infiniti. Some still have a problem with a Hyundai badge on their sports coupe, and sales suffer because of it.
I suppose I can agree.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
I think it IS going to be a big deal. It's a great car, but enthusiasts don't want a Scion. Petty to some, yes... but it's a fact, and it's going to hurt sales.
Well, the BRZ can only steal so many sales. The agreement between Toyota and Subaru has the production split already decided by them. Both are sold out and order only and probably will be for quite awhile.
I agree, I hate Scion. But it kind of makes sense from Toyota's perspective. Here's a cheap, fun car. Scion's brand is nothing right now without it. If they're going to stick with Scion, they need to give it some decent products to help it along. This is the biggest thing Toyota's done for enthusiasts in a long time. If they didn't make this a Scion, the brand would be dead.
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
Well, the BRZ can only steal so many sales. The agreement between Toyota and Subaru has the production split already decided by them. Both are sold out and order only and probably will be for quite awhile.
I agree, I hate Scion. But it kind of makes sense from Toyota's perspective. Here's a cheap, fun car. Scion's brand is nothing right now without it. If they're going to stick with Scion, they need to give it some decent products to help it along. This is the biggest thing Toyota's done for enthusiasts in a long time. If they didn't make this a Scion, the brand would be dead.
Solid points there.
I think you should go with RPF1 or Gold BBS STi wheels for summer.
How about we just get rid of Scion and sell Toyotas as Toyotas at every Toyota dealership? Just because the Japanese like a different brand for every mood, doesn't mean that it works over here. Whoever came up with it needs to shut up and go have some hansei.
The dealership here doesn't even sell Scion. I have to drive over to the next town. What sense does that make?
Dealerships are worthless anyway.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 01, 2012, 11:10:41 AM
How about we just get rid of Scion and sell Toyotas as Toyotas at every Toyota dealership? Just because the Japanese like a different brand for every mood, doesn't mean that it works over here. Whoever came up with it needs to shut up and go have some hansei.
The dealership here doesn't even sell Scion. I have to drive over to the next town. What sense does that make?
Dealerships are worthless anyway.
It would be great to configure your car online, complete financing and insurance online at the same time, click on the shopping cart, and your car is delivered factory direct to your driveway in a few weeks.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 11:13:52 AM
It would be great to configure your car online, complete financing and insurance online at the same time, click on the shopping cart, and your car is delivered factory direct to your driveway in a few weeks.
Then you want a Scion. ;)
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 01, 2012, 11:10:41 AM
How about we just get rid of Scion and sell Toyotas as Toyotas at every Toyota dealership? Just because the Japanese like a different brand for every mood, doesn't mean that it works over here. Whoever came up with it needs to shut up and go have some hansei.
The dealership here doesn't even sell Scion. I have to drive over to the next town. What sense does that make?
Dealerships are worthless anyway.
Scion doesn't exist in the home market.
Ok, quick run down on plans for the BRZ. Figured I better type this up or else I'll forget myself. I guess you could call them "mods". More just little things here and there to get it exactly how I want.
-Opti-coat the whole thing
-Lamin-X the rear taillights red + amber for the turn signals (actually considering yellow tinting the fogs :mask: it looks really good)
-Tint all around (still gotta decide on a tint level)
-GT86 key chain and license plate frame :lol:
-University Alumni plate once the new Ohio plates come out
-Wrapped knee pads and lower door panels with red stitching from the Toyota 86 (japanese market has them).
-Clear corners on the sides (orange clashes with the blue)
-Homelink mirror dealer accessory (probably going to try to get them to throw this in for free)
Some things I plan on doing myself:
-Wrap the instrument cluster hood. Contrasting stitch in red to match the seats (unsure if I want to go with alcantara or a synthetic leather. Also unsure if I want to put some sort of cushion underneath. Deck or french seam too)
-Vacuum deposition the silver trim piece with real aluminum to get a brushed gun metal look. Working with some people to get this done.
-Once Scion gets the armrest/console lid as a dealer accessory this winter, I'll likely reupholster it with both alcantara and synthetic leather and red thread, like the seats. Probably put some nice, thick, dense foam underneath too. Got a few ideas for this.
I might do this on the side for people on the forum too. We'll see how this all looks when it's done. Overall, it's got a great base for the interior. Tons of features, nice layout. Just some of the details were done as cheaply as possible. I think it'll look much better and upscale with all of this touched up.
Still undecided on how I'll handle wheels and winter tires. There's an LED kit too to make all the interior lights more white, less yellow. Looks pretty good, not sure if I want to bother though. There's a dealer accessory small sub and amp that fits in the side of the trunk nicely too. Not sure about that either. Also, the fender vents have a strake going across them in body color. They make a dealer accessory to make them chrome. That's how BMW does the M-cars, and it's a nice little contrast. Not sure if I'm going to bother with it.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 01, 2012, 11:17:02 AM
Scion doesn't exist in the home market.
I never said it did.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 11:13:52 AM
It would be great to configure your car online, complete financing and insurance online at the same time, click on the shopping cart, and your car is delivered factory direct to your driveway in a few weeks.
So where do you get a test drive? The dealer can't afford to subsidize everyone doing research if everyone then goes and buys the car elsewhere.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 11:13:52 AM
It would be great to configure your car online, complete financing and insurance online at the same time, click on the shopping cart, and your car is delivered factory direct to your driveway in a few weeks.
VW got in trouble a number of years back doing just that. Apparently for some reason, its against the law in many states for a car maker to sell their cars direct to the public.
Why do you want red stitching in your blue car?
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 01, 2012, 02:28:45 PM
Why do you want red stitching in your blue car?
The whole interior is black and red already. Just keeping with the theme.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/200vj1y.jpg)
:mask:
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
Turbo development on the ft86 forum is lolz bad. The "tuner" doing the work seems to know less than half the guys on there. People are going to trust their cars with his work. :facepalm:
Direct them to Perrin or AVO in this case. Both of them have experience doing conversions, successfully.
It's not my job to protect the stupid.
They also some guy ranting about how he gained between 1.5-2 lb/ft across the entire rpm range with a drop in filter :facepalm:. Just mind blowing
Quote from: 2o6 on July 01, 2012, 11:17:02 AM
Scion doesn't exist in the home market.
No, but Netz, Vista, Toyopet, Public/Corolla, etc. do. I believe that was his point.
I think the entire idea of a "youth brand" is silly, since "youth" don't like being pandered to and told what they "should" want to buy. The worst way to market to a young audience is to latch onto a few trends that showed up in some suit's marketing report and build an entire brand around it. People will buy the FR-S in spite of it being a Scion, not because of it, and because the BR-Zs might all be gone.
If Toyota wanted to start a new brand in the U.S. market to sell (primarily) small quirky cars, they should've just called it Daihatsu.
Quote from: TurboDan on July 01, 2012, 06:01:25 PM
No, but Netz, Vista, Toyopet, Public/Corolla, etc. do. I believe that was his point.
Those aren't sub brands, per se; (not seperate marketing such as Scion and Lexus and Daihatsu) but are separate dealers. The only actual different Toyota makes they have are Daihatsu and Lexus. Otherwise Honda has Clio, Verno and Primo.
I think the entire idea of a "youth brand" is silly, since "youth" don't like being pandered to and told what they "should" want to buy. The worst way to market to a young audience is to latch onto a few trends that showed up in some suit's marketing report and build an entire brand around it. People will buy the FR-S in spite of it being a Scion, not because of it, and because the BR-Zs might all be gone.
I don't think Scion has as much as a negative cache as you guys suggest; the original xA and xB are fondly looked upon.
If Toyota wanted to start a new brand in the U.S. market to sell (primarily) small quirky cars, they should've just called it Daihatsu.
Daihatsu has baggage associated with it.
Nobody in the US knows what a Daihatsu is anymore.
Stop arguing about stupid shitty cars no one cares about in my thread. Only BRZZZZ circle jerks allowed.
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 06:28:19 PM
Stop arguing about stupid shitty cars no one cares about in my thread. Only BRZZZZ circle jerks allowed.
On that note, go ahead an debadge it. Its Subaru blue for crissakes! Nobody is going to think its a Scion, and if anybody fails to recognize that its subaru blue, then their opinion on either subaru or Scion is likely misinformed and worthless.
The badges add no aesthetic value.
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 06:28:19 PM
Stop arguing about stupid shitty cars no one cares about in my thread. Only BRZZZZ circle jerks allowed.
You should get winter wheels.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 01, 2012, 06:32:49 PM
On that note, go ahead an debadge it. Its Subaru blue for crissakes! Nobody is going to think its a Scion, and if anybody fails to recognize that its subaru blue, then their opinion on either subaru or Scion is likely misinformed and worthless.
The badges add no aesthetic value.
I was hoping you'd chime in. I think we're the only two who debadge here.
I'm leaning towards just taking the Subaru off. Leaving the brz. That's how it is overseas. Looks much cleaner.
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 06:34:25 PM
I was hoping you'd chime in. I think we're the only two who debadge here.
I'm leaning towards just taking the Subaru off. Leaving the brz. That's how it is overseas. Looks much cleaner.
The big Subaru lettering is the most distracting part, I agree.
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 06:34:25 PM
I was hoping you'd chime in. I think we're the only two who debadge here.
I'm leaning towards just taking the Subaru off. Leaving the brz. That's how it is overseas. Looks much cleaner.
Are there holes? I think Toyota is notorious for drilling holes.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 01, 2012, 06:36:22 PM
Are there holes? I think Toyota is notorious for drilling holes.
I don't think any carmaker still drills holes for their badges.
Quote from: MrH on June 24, 2012, 10:23:32 PM
I've mentioned it other threads, but never had a chance to write a review and the whole story.
I've been following the development of this car for years, just like all of you have. When it officially debuted, I loved the looks of the BRZ. The Scion, not quite as much. I didn't think I'd realistically buy one though. However, when I went to the Geneva auto show for work, I had a chance to spend some time sitting in both the BRZ and Toyota 86. After just sitting in one, I was excited. Fits like a damn glove. The best driving position I've seen, and I feel like I've sat in just about everything out there.
And therein lies most of my problems with the Miata. I don't fit very well. At 6'2", and mostly torso, the lumbar support ends of being too low, the bolsters are too close together that it constantly squeezes my lats and shoulders uncomfortably, and if I sit up straight, my head pushes the top up an inch or two. It makes the entire winter season an awkward slouch. I just feel like it's always been built for tiny japanese men, not americans.
Then there are the dynamic issues with the Miata. I love blasting down the road with the top down, music blasting. But the lingering cowl shake bothered me. It's stiff for a convertible. But it always had that modifier..."for a convertible". The enginerd in me doesn't like the idea I'm adding weight and losing torsional rigidity with a convertible vs a hardtop. Combine that with the horrible low speed damping, I knew I had to change something. I was looking to do a full suspension redo. But then thought, why not just start with a better platform to begin with?
I call my car nut friend Adam, explain I'm debating whether to dump money into the miata to fix what I don't like, or maybe get a BRZ. He's an absolute stud when it comes to working on cars, so he would be the one helping with the miata. He said he had a buddy who worked a local subaru dealer, and he should be able to get me a test drive. A few calls later, and I was one of the few in the nation getting a test drive in the car without committing to anything. I test drove a Premium silver 6-speed one. I made two videos with a brief look at the interior. I work for a big supplier that makes interiors for a handful of OEMs. I'll spare you all the video where I just nerd out about the construction techniques for work purposes :lol:
It was just a short trip. Pushed it a bit, but nothing crazy.
Drivetrain - This has been getting a lot of heat from the automotive press. Simply put, it won't blow you away. It's feels almost exactly the same as my Miata in terms of quickness. Higher revving, more torque, but geared a bit taller and it's slightly heavier. Engine sounds great though. Much throatier than my car. The shifter is great. A bit taller than some of the other benchmarks out there (RX-8, Miata, S2000, etc), but the throws are still short. It's VERY direct, very low effort. I think I liked it better than my car honestly.
Handling - Unbelievably flat, while still being compliant enough to deal comfortably with all sorts of road irregularities. This is the benefit to such a low weight and low CG. The rigidity of the body compared to my car was noticable. For a change, the suspension was allowed to do it's work, while the body just stayed put. The damping is soooo much better. The movement of the Miata on highways is that of a boxer. It bobs and weaves all over the place. The BRZ was just planted.
Steering feel - The electric steering is the best I've felt so far. Seemed a bit lighter than the incumbent, but less tiring on the highway. The ratio is a bit slower, and there's a slight dead spot on center, but this isn't a bad thing. Makes high speed cruising sooo much easier. Any bump will causes constant correction in the Miata.
Brake feel - plain and simple, best I've experiened in a car. Very firm pedal with all the feel you could ask for. I'm not sure why there isn't more praise for these.
Driving position - This is what seals the deal for me. You basically sit on the floor. I got enough head room for a helmet. Controls are intuitive and all within reach. Everything just feels right. I swear they found a japanese double of myself when they made the car. The only thing I didn't like about this is the position of the pedals. The brake pedal is waaaaay too high to heel toe. I'm sure I'll adjust, but the first time I tried was comical.
Conclusion - If this car was close to the Miata in driving dynamics, I would have gone with it. But you consider that is actually has BETTER dynamics all while fitting me better and being more practical, it was a no brainer. Hands down the best driving car I've experienced. And I've driven pretty much everything in this sub $50k sporty car class. I didn't think anything would ever touch my car. It just trounced it in terms of driving enjoyment.
It turns out this dealership I test drove happens to sell a ton of WRXs and STIs, which is what determines how many BRZs the dealership will get. It's a tiny Subaru dealership, but right next to the Air Force base here, so it's definitely an enthusiast dealership that a lot of young guys in the Air Force use. They're getting 7-8 BRZs this year (which is really high actually). They had one spot open, so I put my name on the list.
I got a call a few weeks ago. Turns out my production moved way forward. I ordered a Limited World Rally Blue BRZ with a 6-speed with a July 16th ETA. :rockon: Videos will be up later.
Congratulations on the new car, Mike. It looks like a really fun ride.
I would debadge the "Subaru" and "BRZ", but keep the star badge in the middle.
Get the JDM FT-86 badges
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 01, 2012, 06:44:43 PM
I would debadge the "Subaru" and "BRZ", but keep the star badge in the middle.
Yep, what's a Subaru without a little bit of Taurus on it?
I would probably take the Subaru lettering off as well.
With mine, I left the WRX badge on my hatch but took the others off. The Subaru Pleiades star thing has holes drilled for it on my particular car, so I can't take that off without also having to patch and paint it. Looks fine to me, though.
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 06:34:25 PM
I was hoping you'd chime in. I think we're the only two who debadge here.
I'm leaning towards just taking the Subaru off. Leaving the brz. That's how it is overseas. Looks much cleaner.
I debadged mine. :rage:
I added Porsche badges. :lol:
Not. :P
FWIW it's worth (not much!) I prefer the debadged look. Congrats on the car!
Quote from: Rupert on July 01, 2012, 07:40:17 PM
I added Porsche badges. :lol:
Not. :P
I add several VTEC badges...15hp each yo!
Hell yeah.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 01, 2012, 06:37:46 PM
I don't think any carmaker still drills holes for their badges.
Thats what I thought too. But Pontiac drilled 3 holes in the nose of my G8 just to mount 1 arrowhead! :nutty:
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't de-badge. :huh:
Quote from: MrH on June 30, 2012, 12:16:17 PM
Thanks guys. Yeah, I've gone two years, nothing on the no front plate. Maybe a small sports car gets more leeway?
It'll take three tickets in he BRZ before i do something about it. At that point, I'll just get a bracket that attaches through the tow hook or something. No way in hell I'm drilling it. Especially since it's supposed to change soon.
Apparently the best tint guy in Dayton is a guy named Lil E. I asked if he was a rapper on the side. Turns out he's a midget :lol:
Clear corners are getting put on immediately. Hate the orange corners with the blue.
Two questions for everyone:
1. I'm running a dedicated summer and winter wheel and tire setup. Do i keep the stock wheels and tires for my summer setup and get cheap wheels and snow tires? Or do i use the stock rims for winter, and get something different for summer (and stockier tires)?
2. Do i debadge? Both the BRZ and Subaru, or just he Subaru? I debadged the Miata because it was just too much chrome on a tiny trunk lid.
Also, got some cool ideas using expensive work equipment! They're selling a console armrest and lid through Scion as a dealer accessory this winter. Probably going to buy it, cut all the skin off, put better padding underneath, then sew a three piece skin with synthetic leather and alcantara to match the seats. Red thread and french seams too. I'll be using a robotic cutter to make the skins and cut my patterns to make my taillights all red.
Add extra badges.
Quote from: MrH on June 30, 2012, 01:40:22 PM
The back is just so cluttered. I'll be lamin-Xing the taillights red first, and I'l see how it looks then with the badges. Tint, clear corners, and red taillights all come first before considering debadging.
What are everyone's thoughts on the wheels? Use the stock wheels as summer wheels or winter?
Dub deuces or you're gay.
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 10:55:10 AM
Hyundai is held in much higher regard these days, but I also believe that the Genesis sedan and coupe would have benefitted greatly if Genesis were an offshoot premium brand, like Lexus or Infiniti. Some still have a problem with a Hyundai badge on their sports coupe, and sales suffer because of it.
I have a problem with the way they're named. Genesis, Genesis coupe--two completely unrelated cars. It would be like if Chevrolet sold a Corvette and a Corvette Sedan.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1742976#msg1742976 date=1341248884
I have a problem with the way they're named. Genesis, Genesis coupe--two completely unrelated cars. It would be like if Chevrolet sold a Corvette and a Corvette Sedan.
CORVETTE SEDAN. THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 02, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
CORVETTE SEDAN. THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
ALMOST AS GOOD AS A CORVETTE NOMAD
(http://www.corvettes.nl/gm_prototypes/nomad/files/page11_1.jpg)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 02, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
CORVETTE SEDAN. THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb199/TWOBIGHEDZ/IMG-20120610-00149.jpg)
:mask:
Not enough leaf springs! :mask:
Remove the "suba" so your just left with "ru" on the back... That would be hella sweet
RUBRZ! Sounds like your vanity plate was just handed to you on a platter, H.
"Are You Breeze"?
"ROOBERZ"!
I was definitely going to get "LOL AWD" but $65/year is just a waste of money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gag2yXBAZv4
Quote from: Raza on July 02, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
RUBRZ! Sounds like your vanity plate was just handed to you on a platter, H.
That's awesome.
Quote from: Raza on July 02, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
RUBRZ! Sounds like your vanity plate was just handed to you on a platter, H.
Exactly!
U R A Bus
Got moved up another 3 days :wtf:
Some people ordered in March and still don't have an ETA. No idea why I'm getting mine so fast.
woot woot woot!
Quote from: Rockraven on July 01, 2012, 11:13:52 AM
It would be great to configure your car online, complete financing and insurance online at the same time, click on the shopping cart, and your car is delivered factory direct to your driveway in a few weeks.
It is almost like that in Germany, granted you still have to physically go to a dealership to sign papers, but they offer complete packages with insurance, financing etc, you can enter your data like down payment etc. directly into the configurator. The insurance is a bit more expensive then if you shop for deals yourself though. That they offer this to do with over half of the country being on company cars. The employer does not want to bother dealing with a separate company. They just want to pay a monthly amount to the car company and then simply get rid of the car in 3 years.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 01, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
VW got in trouble a number of years back doing just that. Apparently for some reason, its against the law in many states for a car maker to sell their cars direct to the public.
Yeah, there was a thread here some time ago where this was discussed. It surprised me that this is the case in the free trade country. I guess the auto dealers have good lobbyists. It is quite normally in Germany for car makers to run their own dealerships, which they then run as a type of museum, temple of worship.
Mercedes in Berlin for example.
(http://www.mercedes-seite.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Salzufer_1.jpg)
(http://blog.gilly.ws/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Public-Viewing-Mercedes-Salzufer.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8015/7389681962_3dbfedf3ac_z.jpg)
(http://www.mercedes-seite.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/IMG_2031.JPG)
That's how it should be here. Then we wouldn't have shady dealers with folksy commercials trying to screw people over. Corporate should have 100% control of the dealerships.
Meh, you can't have basically amusement parks for each brand like Germany does. Population density here for most of the country doesn't allow that kind of investment.
If you mean truly free market, in a sense that's what dealerships here are. Don't like one? Go to another. They compete on price and customer service with each other.
Free market would let dealerships be either independent or ran by the car company. They would compete on price and customer service with each other. (although in the end the company-owned dealers would win, since they could unfairly price the cars under what they charge the independent dealers. Some oversight would be necessary)
Quote from: MrH on July 01, 2012, 06:34:25 PM
I was hoping you'd chime in. I think we're the only two who debadge here.
*raises hand slowly*
(http://oi45.tinypic.com/3hnd3.jpg)
:mask:
I also lived in a state that required front plates. I think I got two tickets over a 5-year span. Easily worth it.
Quote from: 850CSi on July 03, 2012, 11:06:04 PM
*raises hand slowly*
(http://oi45.tinypic.com/3hnd3.jpg)
:mask:
I also lived in a state that required front plates. I think I got two tickets over a 5-year span. Easily worth it.
(Debadging a base model doesn't count)
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 03, 2012, 10:43:18 PM
Free market would let dealerships be either independent or ran by the car company. They would compete on price and customer service with each other. (although in the end the company-owned dealers would win, since they could unfairly price the cars under what they charge the independent dealers. Some oversight would be necessary)
So...is it free market or isn't it? The independent dealer would have to pull off the customer service niche, or offer service specials, or have a better location, or something. Because the whole idea of the free market proposal you seem to be floating is that the dealerships that no one would ever go to given the choice would fail.
Current sales of BRZ/FR-S:
Month BRZ MTD BRZ YTD FRS MTD FRS YTD
May 12 271 271 86 86
Jun 12 818 1089 2684 2770
Pretty clear they're making a ton more FR-Ss than BRZs. And guess which is the only Subaru exclusive color between the twins? World Rally Blue :rockon:
I was thinking maybe I should have gotten dark gray, but the blue is going to be something really rare. All the other colors will have a lot of Scion versions in the same color around.
Now if toy really want rare our a scion bumper on
Quote from: ifcar on July 04, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
So...is it free market or isn't it? The independent dealer would have to pull off the customer service niche, or offer service specials, or have a better location, or something. Because the whole idea of the free market proposal you seem to be floating is that the dealerships that no one would ever go to given the choice would fail.
It would technically be free market, but could turn into the current situation in Europe unless the independent dealers found a way to win over customers.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 04, 2012, 01:11:10 PM
Now if toy really want rare our a scion bumper on
This is gibberish.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 04, 2012, 01:11:10 PM
Now if toy really want rare our a scion bumper on
What if scion really out bumper want toy rare
Ermergerd
Huh?
And LOL RWD is worth it if you ask me.
Quote from: MrH on July 03, 2012, 09:31:29 AM
Meh, you can't have basically amusement parks for each brand like Germany does. Population density here for most of the country doesn't allow that kind of investment.
If you mean truly free market, in a sense that's what dealerships here are. Don't like one? Go to another. They compete on price and customer service with each other.
Franchise laws have definitely created a weird ecosystem of car dealerships here. Part of me would like that changed, since it would allow use to control our brand more directly and eliminate the number one thing that people dislike the most about cars (buying one from a salesman). Then again, who is to say there wouldn't be repercussions like those mentioned by you and Alex
Quote from: MrH on July 04, 2012, 01:04:28 PM
Current sales of BRZ/FR-S:
Month BRZ MTD BRZ YTD FRS MTD FRS YTD
May 12 271 271 86 86
Jun 12 818 1089 2684 2770
Pretty clear they're making a ton more FR-Ss than BRZs. And guess which is the only Subaru exclusive color between the twins? World Rally Blue :rockon:
I was thinking maybe I should have gotten dark gray, but the blue is going to be something really rare. All the other colors will have a lot of Scion versions in the same color around.
Good choice on the blue. If I ever got a Subie, it would have to be World Rally Blue. BTW, I am jealous man, I am starting to really fall hard for these cars...
That sucks that Yota is able to yank Fuji Heavy Industries around like that. Wonder if that is global sales?
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 05, 2012, 06:24:23 AM
That sucks that Yota is able to yank Fuji Heavy Industries around like that. Wonder if that is global sales?
Just US sales I believe. US will get around 6,000 BRZ's the first year.
Global production is going to be around 70,000 cars/year. It's about 1/3 BRZ's, 2/3s Toyota 86s and FR-S.
Is the front license plate really that bad that you'll risk being pulled over for it? Seems silly to me.
I wear my 3.2 as a badge of honor :praise:
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on July 05, 2012, 08:52:04 AM
Is the front license plate really that bad that you'll risk being pulled over for it? Seems silly to me.
Gone two years without it, never been a problem. Brother has gone 5 or 6 now, never an issue for him either. No reason to drill into my bumper if they're not going to enforce it.
Small cars look like crap with front plates....
Quote from: MrH on July 05, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Gone two years without it, never been a problem. Brother has gone 5 or 6 now, never an issue for him either. No reason to drill into my bumper if they're not going to enforce it.
I imagine you don't worry about them enforcing it?
Not at all. If they ticket me, I think you can send in a picture with your car with it attached, and they dismiss it since you fixed it.
If ticket, then zip tie -> take a picture -> cut it back off :lol:
I've been running without a front plate for a year and change. No problems.
Mr H-
Do you have a radar detector?
No. Was debating whether I want to hard wire a Valentine 1 in. But I've gone 6 years now without a ticket and speed all the time. It's all about being vigilant more than anything else.
Quote from: LonghornTX on July 04, 2012, 07:40:20 PM
and eliminate the number one thing that people dislike the most about cars (buying one from a salesman).
Bingo. I know someone who only buys used from individuals simply to never have to deal with a car salesman. When I was buying my LR2, I was almost to the point of giving up on my car search for a while and just keeping the Passat another six months because I had just had it with car dealers. I couldn't stand going through all the games, back-and-forth, listening to their BS over trade-in value, dealing with the "ohh, I'm sorry, we put the wrong price on our website for this car" lines.
When they tried with me at the dealership where I finally bought the car (a premium new car dealership in Princeton, NJ) I actually sent an e-mail to the dealership's GM saying something to the effect of, "You know, I expect such crap from a used car lot. I thought a premium dealership that caters to educated consumers would be better behaved." THAT e-mail yielded a phone call from the GM, and eventually the sale. But damn, it's just ridiculous.
When my mom bought her Tiguan, she did it the right way: through the AAA car buying program. The exact trim she wanted at a pre-negotiated price. She just picked it up at whatever participating dealer they told her had it in stock and signed the papers.
Quote from: Raza on July 04, 2012, 09:14:34 AM
(Debadging a base model doesn't count)
Depends on intentions. If I was ashamed of having a different intake manifold than the higher model I would've debadged it years ago
Quote from: 850CSi on July 06, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
Depends on intentions. If I was ashamed of having a different intake manifold than the higher model I would've debadged it years ago
Ah, but your intentions are always there to be assumed by others.
Quote from: Raza on July 07, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Ah, but your intentions are always there to be assumed by others.
(http://chzichcafterdark.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/funny-pictures-listen-man-nobody-gives-a-shit.jpg)
You're lucky if the average person even knows what kind of car you have.
Quote from: 850CSi on July 06, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
Depends on intentions. If I was ashamed of having a different intake manifold than the higher model I would've debadged it years ago
Why did you debadge it and put on 330i wheels?
Here's what the schedule will hopefully vlbe like next week:
Go in Monday after work, get the miata trade in value and all the financial work out of the way. Drop off miata, and grab the subaru on the way to work Friday with the plastic still on. Show it off to the coworkers on Friday :lol:
Saturday morning, down to northern Kentucky to get everything coated and protected. Sunday morning, 35% tint all around :rockon: I need to decide before I get the car whether to debadge. I'm thinking just the subaru name comes off.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on July 07, 2012, 12:01:09 PM
Why did you debadge it and put on 330i wheels?
IIRC he bent a wheel or something.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on July 07, 2012, 12:01:09 PM
Why did you debadge it and put on 330i wheels?
I think my wheels are the ones from the LCI 328xi, but I'm not sure. Bent the shit out of one of my 16s and was sick of them anyways; also needed new tires. Found someone who sold me the entire set with OEM tires for $800.
I like the way it looks much more without the badge since I kind of have a slight blackout theme going anyways with the tints + lack of chrome trim on the sides.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1745189#msg1745189 date=1341648015
Ah, but your intentions are always there to be assumed by others.
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Yay or nay?
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9372
Videos are on that first page too.
Go with nameless performance. Imo their system sounds the best and is reasonably priced.
Nvm, they released the price. 50% higher than what they were shooting for :wtf:
Yeah but 10 whp
Your car looks pretty cool here
http://youtu.be/0jmVHaEjT8A
35% tint will look stupid IMO
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 09, 2012, 06:24:51 AM
35% tint will look stupid IMO
Why is that? Do you think all tint is stupid, or 35% isn't dark enough?
Quote from: MrH on July 09, 2012, 09:19:28 AM
Why is that? Do you think all tint is stupid, or 35% isn't dark enough?
35% is perfect. I've got that on my 940, with 15% on the back window, and it looks pretty good.
Quote from: CJ on July 09, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
35% is perfect. I've got that on my 940, with 15% on the back window, and it looks pretty good.
Yeah, technically 50% is the darkest allowed on the fronts here. 35% all around won't really give you any issues though. 25% and darker start looking stupid and get you pulled over.
Quote from: MrH on July 09, 2012, 10:51:01 AM
Yeah, technically 50% is the darkest allowed on the fronts here. 35% all around won't really give you any issues though. 25% and darker start looking stupid and get you pulled over.
That's pretty low. 35% is the legal limit on the fronts in Texas, with anything else legal behind the front windows.
I got 35% on my rears and it's def not too dark!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on July 09, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
I got 35% on my rears and it's def not too dark!
What'd you get on your fronts?
Get 5% on all your glass, including your mirrors.
Quote from: Raza on July 09, 2012, 11:59:56 AM
Get 5% on all your glass, including your mirrors.
:lol: Also, permanent sunglasses. Tint my eye balls, pair of Oakelys bolted to my temples too.
Quote from: MrH on July 09, 2012, 09:19:28 AM
Why is that? Do you think all tint is stupid, or 35% isn't dark enough?
Nope I think a subtle tint is good but unless I am wrong 35% is quite a dark tint?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 09, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
Nope I think a subtle tint is good but unless I am wrong 35% is quite a dark tint?
35% is pretty standard and accepted. If I were to get tint, I'd get 35% all around (and nothing on the windshield, of course).
(http://www.tedswindowtinting.com/images/tinting_percentages.jpg)
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 09, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
Nope I think a subtle tint is good but unless I am wrong 35% is quite a dark tint?
Not really. It's pretty mild.
35%:
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n535/johnmc5/VCOA%20StL%202012/IMG_0055.jpg)
Quote from: CJ on July 09, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
Not really. It's pretty mild.
35%:
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That looks dark as fuck.
Yeah, maybe it's the angle, but that looks darker than 35%...
I think any tint greater than 50% should be illegal.
So should window stickers.
And vinyl wraps over the windows.
And people hanging teddy bears and shit from their rearview mirrors.
Here's another angle.
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557084_10150903455055756_199309172_n.jpg)
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 09, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
That looks dark as fuck.
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 09, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
Yeah, maybe it's the angle, but that looks darker than 35%...
It looks dark because of the angle and the fact that it's a white car. On a darker color you wouldn't notice it, even at that angle.
Quote from: CJ on July 09, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
Here's another angle.
...
Much better! Looks more like 35% there. :lol:
Also, he's got a sunshade in the front windshield. That has a lot to do with it. He's blocking all the light coming in from the front.
My Focus has 5% on the rear doors and back windows. Nothing on the front doors. The Infiniti is going to 50% on the back doors and rear window. My wife has night vision issues, so nothing darker on a vehicle she will be driving at all.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/Focus/IMG_2165.jpg)
Exploderator has some tint on it. :huh:
I don't like when the rear windows are pitch black and the fronts are clear. I think the key to a great tint job is being consistent. Which is why I'd get the same (higher) percentage all around to give a solid clean look.
IMO, of course.
Quote from: Rupert on July 09, 2012, 01:55:20 PM
Exploderator has some tint on it. :huh:
Mine has the stock tint, whatever that is.
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 09, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
I don't like when the rear windows are pitch black and the fronts are clear. I think the key to a great tint job is being consistent. Which is why I'd get the same (higher) percentage all around to give a solid clean look.
IMO, of course.
It's illegal to have any tint on the front doors here.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
It's illegal to have any tint on the front doors here.
It is here, as well, actually. Though I think on newer cars, cops don't seem to care as much. If I ever got pulled over for it (which I haven't, because I don't have any tint on the A4 at this point), I'd just say "it came that way" and take my warning. There're so many newer-model cars around that have front window tint. I'd never get my windshield tinted though...that's just retarded unless you have serious eye problems.
New SUVs these days with the back tinted is usually 25%, so this will be a shade lighter than that.
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 09, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
I don't like when the rear windows are pitch black and the fronts are clear. I think the key to a great tint job is being consistent. Which is why I'd get the same (higher) percentage all around to give a solid clean look.
IMO, of course.
I agree completely. I don't like the two shade look at all.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
It's illegal to have any tint on the front doors here.
:( sucks
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 01:56:31 PM
Mine has the stock tint, whatever that is.
Yeah, same. It does keep the back a little cooler and darker for sleeping in when camping.
Quote from: Raza on July 09, 2012, 01:34:17 PM
I think any tint greater than 50% should be illegal.
So should window stickers.
And vinyl wraps over the windows.
And people hanging teddy bears and shit from their rearview mirrors.
People here like doing ghetto mods on their new cars.
Don't forget the whistle tips, guise!
Quote from: Rupert on July 09, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Yeah, same. It does keep the back a little cooler and darker for sleeping in when camping.
It's great with the kids and also at keeping the car cooler in the hot sun. My Focus is noticeably cooler in the hot sun though with the 5%, and with the temperature reaching 97F here the last 3 days, I like tint.
97! Wow! Two weeks ago it was 107 with a heat index of 117.
Guys, let's get back on track here...
I get my car in 4 days :rockon:
Quote from: CJ on July 09, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
97! Wow! Two weeks ago it was 107 with a heat index of 117.
You are like 2000 miles SE of me.
Quote from: MrH on July 09, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
Guys, let's get back on track here...
I get my car in 4 days :rockon:
Awesome.
Thanks for the clarification guys. I stand corrected, 35pc looks ok. The Focus looks OTT though IMO
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 09, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
I don't like when the rear windows are pitch black and the fronts are clear. I think the key to a great tint job is being consistent. Which is why I'd get the same (higher) percentage all around to give a solid clean look.
IMO, of course.
I agree. I have 35 all around. I like it a lot and can't imagine not having tints. I'd like it a little darker, but I think 20 is probably too dark even though I doubt I'd ever get pulled over for it.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
It's illegal to have any tint on the front doors here.
Used to be that way in IL. That sucks.
Advantage of driving a car with out of state plates is you can often do whatever the hell you want. I believe NC's limit is 35. I'll probably go 30 or 25 when the time comes to get new ones.
Anyone who gets tint on their windows gives up the right to complain about cars with poor visibility. You can't see shit out of it anyway.
Quote from: Raza on July 09, 2012, 08:18:04 PM
Anyone who gets tint on their windows gives up the right to complain about cars with poor visibility. You can't see shit out of it anyway.
:wtf: :nutty:
I can't decide if I should get 35% or 50% on my El Camino. It'll be on the side windows and back window. I'm fine with darker on the back, but I'm not sure if I want it to be too dark on the sides.
Then again the side windows are down all the time anyway, except when it's cold/raining, so I might not even be affected by it while driving.
I have 35% on my Yaris.
I would never get tint on my front door windows even if it were legal. It's one thing to not be able to see very well at night when backing up (you can go slowly and use your mirrors more), but to not be able to see very well out of the windows you need for turning corners is stupid.
You talk about not being able to see, then get 5% tint on your focus. :wtf:
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 09:44:13 PM
I would never get tint on my front door windows even if it were legal. It's one thing to not be able to see very well at night when backing up (you can go slowly and use your mirrors more), but to not be able to see very well out of the windows you need for turning corners is stupid.
Well I don't have any rear side windows.
The visor on my motorcycle helmet is tinted.
Quote from: MrH on July 09, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
You talk about not being able to see, then get 5% tint on your focus. :wtf:
Not on the windows I need for turning corners or going forward.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 09:44:13 PM
I would never get tint on my front door windows even if it were legal. It's one thing to not be able to see very well at night when backing up (you can go slowly and use your mirrors more), but to not be able to see very well out of the windows you need for turning corners is stupid.
My fronts are 50% and I have no problem seeing day or night.
Mine are 35% all around and visibility isn't hampered at all. In fact, I find it better. Vehicle lights behind me are not nearly as bright.
Tint is like sunglasses, and you wouldn't drive with sunglasses in the dark, would you (unless maybe it's 106 miles to Chicago)?
Quote from: SVT666 on July 09, 2012, 09:57:38 PM
Not on the windows I need for turning corners or going forward.
Don't you need all of the windows for that though?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on July 10, 2012, 02:05:09 AM
Don't you need all of the windows for that though?
You look behind you when you turn a corner?
Contrary to popular belief on these boards, but if there is a car behind me, I can still see the damn thing at night. It's no worse than an auto dimming rearview mirror.
Backing up at night can be interesting if your mirrors are small, but otherwise tint on the windows behind the driver is fine.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 10, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
You look behind you when you turn a corner?
Contrary to popular belief on these boards, but if there is a car behind me, I can still see the damn thing at night. It's no worse than an auto dimming rearview mirror.
No but I do check my rear view mirror and my blind spots from time to time.
I'm going to get 35% all around once I get my signing bonus :lol:
Quote from: 850CSi on July 09, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
:wtf: :nutty:
It's like wearing sunglasses all the time.
Like I said, it should be illegal. Darker than 50%, anyway.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 10, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
You look behind you when you turn a corner?
Contrary to popular belief on these boards, but if there is a car behind me, I can still see the damn thing at night. It's no worse than an auto dimming rearview mirror.
Having driven my friend's car at night that had what he described as limo tint in the back, backing up is a nightmare. Yes, you can see a car, but not much of anything else that doesn't have a headlight.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1747132#msg1747132 date=1341972093
Having driven my friend's car at night that had what he described as limo tint in the back, backing up is a nightmare. Yes, you can see a car, but not much of anything else that doesn't have a headlight.
Limo tint is as dark as it gets. I had it on my Blazer and yes it is hard to reverse at night. But 50%/35% is no problem.
Quote from: Raza on July 10, 2012, 07:59:39 PM
It's like wearing sunglasses all the time.
False.
Well, sunglasses are about 15-20%, so 35% tint isn't quite the same, but it's pretty close.
Quote from: 850CSi on July 10, 2012, 10:18:04 PM
False.
No, true. True is the word you're looking for, buddy.
Quote from: Raza on July 11, 2012, 05:00:32 AM
No, true. True is the word you're looking for, buddy.
Quote from: Rupert on July 11, 2012, 12:30:42 AM
Well, sunglasses are about 15-20%....
Nah, dude. "False" is the word I'm looking for.
And there's an
enormous difference between 15 and 25, let alone 35, at night.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 08, 2012, 10:01:51 PM
Your car looks pretty cool here
http://youtu.be/0jmVHaEjT8A
HAWT.
As far as tint, I believe my Subie is 35%
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13591918@N07/4818993175/sizes/l/in/set-72157605957969519
I have had to roll the window down a couple times at night if it's been raining or whatever. Otherwise never been an issue.
Van has factory tint but about a 15% on front windows. Previous (Georgia) owner had it put on. It's about perfect, and it doesn't look retardedly different front to back windows.
Quote from: 850CSi on July 11, 2012, 07:08:14 PM
Nah, dude. "False" is the word I'm looking for.
And there's an enormous difference between 15 and 25, let alone 35, at night.
And what's the difference between 100% and 35%? :rolleyes:
I know you're a lawyer and all, but "like" doesn't mean "exactly the same", you dumb fuck.
:popcorn:
Quote from: 850CSi on July 11, 2012, 07:08:14 PM
Nah, dude. "False" is the word I'm looking for.
And there's an enormous difference between 15 and 25, let alone 35, at night.
100 - 35 = 65; 35 - 15 = 20.
Putting tint on your front windows is about a step above tinting your headlight lenses.
Quote from: Raza on July 11, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
And what's the difference between 100% and 35%? :rolleyes:
For practical purposes, less than the difference between 20 and 35, in addition to the way sunglasses are worn. Sunglasses being more than 2x as dark and worn on the face means they are not remotely "like" window tint.
Quote from: Rupert on July 12, 2012, 01:25:23 AM
100 - 35 = 65; 35 - 15 = 20.
Putting tint on your front windows is about a step above tinting your headlight lenses.
IIRC it's an exponential function. You cant't really even tell the difference between 100 and 70.
Quote from: 850CSi on July 12, 2012, 06:03:43 AM
For practical purposes, less than the difference between 20 and 35, in addition to the way sunglasses are worn. Sunglasses being more than 2x as dark and worn on the face means they are not remotely "like" window tint.
IIRC it's an exponential function. You cant't really even tell the difference between 100 and 70.
Dude, what the fucking fuck is wrong with you? If you like your dumbass tint, that's up to you. But to say it's not like wearing sunglasses because one person said a number that's unverified is completely fucking moronic. I don't care tiny fucking nuance you can try to say about wearing sunglasses on the face--I mean, give me a fucking break, tinting is tinting--or that you ignore the fact that sunglasses can have varying degrees of tint that aren't universally 20%.
I don't understand with you and these other sensitive motherfuckers never admitting that they're wrong. You're fucking wrong. Get over it. Stop being such a moronic douchebag fuck.
Well, actually he's right though. How dark it looks is not just a matter of how much light is hitting it, but also how much light is shining through on the other side. With sunglasses, you have your face right on the other side. There really isn't any light shining from your face and out the front of the glasses. In a car however, you have light coming through the front windshield almost completely untinted (all cars have a slight factory tint), and also light coming in through the other tinted windows all around.
20% tint on a car is totally different than 20% on sunglasses. And you're saying he's sensitive? Come on Raza, lighten up, you're the one who just flipped out :cheers:
Anyways, none of this matters. Stop clogging my thread you whores. I worked out final numbers yesterday, bank cut the check for the small loan and are over nighting it to the dealership, trade-in value has been set. Just a matter of the car arriving and picking it up now :rockon:
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 07:55:25 AM
Well, actually he's right though. How dark it looks is not just a matter of how much light is hitting it, but also how much light is shining through on the other side. With sunglasses, you have your face right on the other side. There really isn't any light shining from your face and out the front of the glasses. In a car however, you have light coming through the front windshield almost completely untinted (all cars have a slight factory tint), and also light coming in through the other tinted windows all around.
20% tint on a car is totally different than 20% on sunglasses. And you're saying he's sensitive? Come on Raza, lighten up, you're the one who just flipped out :cheers:
Anyways, none of this matters. Stop clogging my thread you whores. I worked out final numbers yesterday, bank cut the check for the small loan and are over nighting it to the dealership, trade-in value has been set. Just a matter of the car arriving and picking it up now :rockon:
You're telling me that a tinted rear window doesn't affect how you see out of it when you look through the back to reverse?
Quote from: Raza on July 12, 2012, 07:14:37 AM
I don't understand with you and these other sensitive motherfuckers never admitting that they're wrong. You're fucking wrong. Get over it. Stop being such a moronic douchebag fuck.
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Quote from: 850CSi on July 12, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
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Quote from: Raza on July 12, 2012, 08:35:54 AM
You're telling me that a tinted rear window doesn't affect how you see out of it when you look through the back to reverse?
That's not what I'm saying at all :confused:
Did you read my post or not?
Quote from: Rupert on July 12, 2012, 01:25:23 AM
100 - 35 = 65; 35 - 15 = 20.
Putting tint on your front windows is about a step above tinting your headlight lenses.
Well, that's incorrect too actually.
35% is 65% darker than no tint (which no modern car is at).
15% is actually lets in 57% less light than 35%. So in fact, it's almost twice as dark as 35%.
And your ability to see isn't linearly dependent on the amount of light available. There's these things called pupils, you see. And they can expand and contract to adjust for light. There's a huge drop off in your ability to see after you get to a certain light level.
Then there's also the fact that there is light on both sides of the glass with windows, as opposed to just one side with sunglasses.
So the claim that it's like wearing sunglasses all the time? Yeah, pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1747867#msg1747867 date=1342103754
You're telling me that a tinted rear window doesn't affect how you see out of it when you look through the back to reverse?
My rear window is tinted 35% (came that way new, bought it in Arizona), and I don't even notice it. I've been in cars with darker tint that did cause nighttime visibility issues but 35% isn't anything. It is absolutely nothing like wearing an average pair of sunglasses at night, anymore than whispering to someone is like screaming at them.
And speaking of screaming at people, calm down mang, there's no reason to get so upset over this.
This thread sucks now. To be expected from this forum, I guess.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 12, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
This thread sucks now. To be expected from this forum, I guess.
OH YEAH? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TOO YOU COCK SUCKING DOUCHEBAG MOTHERFUCKER? WELL WHY DON'T YOU STEP INTO THE FUCKING TORTURE CHAMBER SO I CAN SPREAD MY FUCKS ALL OVER YOUR FUCKING FACE?
/Raza
Dude, if Farris weren't such a fucking dick about his bullshit little faggoty flippant matter-of-fact know-it-all fuckface response, I wouldn't have gone off on him the way he deserved. Like is not equal, it's as simple as fucking that. If you can't get that through your thick fucking skulls then I don't know how you function.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1747902#msg1747902 date=1342109418
Dude, if Farris weren't such a fucking dick about his bullshit little faggoty flippant matter-of-fact know-it-all fuckface response, I wouldn't have gone off on him the way he deserved. Like is not equal, it's as simple as fucking that. If you can't get that through your thick fucking skulls then I don't know how you function.
Yeah, you sure showed him. I think it was the sixth "fuck" that did it.
A mouse is like a buffalo. They both have fur, four legs, ears, eyes, a mouth, a nose, and a tail. Buffalo are dangerous, therefore mice are dangerous, because a mouse is like a buffalo.
I don't think anyone here really knows if like is like is, or if like is is. Irregardless, they are equal in some ways, but not in all ways.
Quote from: Tave on July 12, 2012, 10:22:43 AM
Yeah, you sure showed him. I think it was the sixth "fuck" that did it.
A mouse is like a buffalo. They both have fur, four legs, ears, eyes, a mouth, a nose, and a tail. Buffalo are dangerous, therefor mice are dangerous, because a mouse is like a buffalo.
Yup, that's exactly what I said.
Look, maybe I overreacted. But I'm right.
Quote from: Tave on July 12, 2012, 10:00:40 AM
OH YEAH? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TOO YOU COCK SUCKING DOUCHEBAG MOTHERFUCKER? WELL WHY DON'T YOU STEP INTO THE FUCKING TORTURE CHAMBER SO I CAN SPREAD MY FUCKS ALL OVER YOUR FUCKING FACE?
/Raza
That. Is great.
Quote from: Raza on July 12, 2012, 10:37:40 AM
Yup, that's exactly what I said.
Look, maybe I overreacted. But I'm right.
You're so angry and concerned with being right, you skipped my post that proved you aren't :lol:
ANYWAYS. Yeah, this forum sucks. The BRZ is in. Paying most of it in cash, but taking a small loan out for some added flexibility. Check for the loan gets to the dealership tomorrow morning, and I pick up the car tomorrow at 4 PM or so :rockon:
Needless to say, I'm excited. Btw, I got $14,900 on trade in for my Miata. That gives me a $1,100 tax advantage too. Adding those together, $16k for the miata. I paid $16,600 2 years and 20k+ miles ago :wtf:
I don't know how you do it
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 11:35:42 AM
You're so angry and concerned with being right, you skipped my post that proved you aren't :lol:
No, I ignored it because you're fixating on one number that someone said about what kind of light that sunglasses let in. I have multiple pairs of sunglasses and no two let in the same amount of light.
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 11:35:42 AM
I pick up the car tomorrow at 4 PM or so :rockon:
Epic. :rockon:
The BRZ is, literally, the first car that has made me wish I'd have known about it two years ago...I damn well would have waited and not gotten the A4, even if the BRZ is way less practical/useable. Fuck! Maybe once I get a real job with some real cash inflow I could sell the Audi. Or have them both! :mask:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 12, 2012, 11:37:37 AM
I don't know how you do it
Do what? Trade cars like a boss!?
Like how my Protege5 sat in my parent's drive way for 8 months and appreciated $1300 :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 12, 2012, 11:44:09 AM
Epic. :rockon:
The BRZ is, literally, the first car that has made me wish I'd have known about it two years ago...I damn well would have waited and not gotten the A4, even if the BRZ is way less practical/useable. Fuck! Maybe once I get a real job with some real cash inflow I could sell the Audi. Or have them both! :mask:
You might be able to sell the A4 and buy a BRZ outright.
Congratulations dude. Post lots of pics.
I'm seriously quite happy for you. This is a great car and I'm sure you'll like it a lot.
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 11:46:15 AM
Do what? Trade cars like a boss!?
Like how my Protege5 sat in my parent's drive way for 8 months and appreciated $1300 :lol:
That's bullshit :lol:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
No student loans.
Also bullshit.
Quote from: Laconian on July 12, 2012, 11:53:18 AM
You might be able to sell the A4 and buy a BRZ outright.
Probably. I've still got a damn dent that needs fixing (holy shit, I should probably get that into a body shop soon) and it needs tires, but beyond that, it's still an essentially perfect vehicle.
But I still need to get around in the winter (Bravvy's gone, so we no longer have an extra 4x4, and I certainly can't afford one) and the insurance would probably be a (large) bit more.
I find that myself, in regards to leaping onto the bandwagon of the BRZFRS, I am greatly anticipating the leap, but being let down due to finances.
Quote from: Raza on July 12, 2012, 11:53:27 AM
Congratulations dude. Post lots of pics.
I'm seriously quite happy for you. This is a great car and I'm sure you'll like it a lot.
Thanks. I seriously recommend test driving one. One test drive was enough to sell me on it. There isn't a car under $60k I would rather have. You gotta get in Cayman, M3 range to get the same kind of sharpness in a car, and those cars are so far out of my range, I think I'll be content for quite a bit with this car.
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 12, 2012, 11:59:35 AM
Probably. I've still got a damn dent that needs fixing (holy shit, I should probably get that into a body shop soon) and it needs tires, but beyond that, it's still an essentially perfect vehicle.
But I still need to get around in the winter (Bravvy's gone, so we no longer have an extra 4x4, and I certainly can't afford one) and the insurance would probably be a (large) bit more.
I doubt it. Insurance is pretty cheap. I'm only paying $411/6-months! I have USAA though, which is the shit and super cheap. It's the best ever.
Get snow tires and drive a BRZ all year. That's what I'm doing.
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 12:35:58 PM
I doubt it. Insurance is pretty cheap. I'm only paying $411/6-months! I have USAA though, which is the shit and super cheap. It's the best ever.
Get snow tires and drive a BRZ all year. That's what I'm doing.
I wish I could do that. I don't even have the cash inflow to spare for a second set of tires. :mask: :lol:
Maybe you'd make a profit and have money for FRSBRZ and tirez.
Quote from: Laconian on July 12, 2012, 12:43:28 PM
Maybe you'd make a profit and have money for FRSBRZ and tirez.
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Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 12:35:58 PM
I doubt it. Insurance is pretty cheap. I'm only paying $411/6-months! I have USAA though, which is the shit and super cheap. It's the best ever.
Get snow tires and drive a BRZ all year. That's what I'm doing.
You have USAA? I thought they only insured veterans and their families.
Quote from: Raza on July 12, 2012, 12:52:27 PM
You have USAA? I thought they only insured veterans and their families.
My dad's a veteran. I was an army brat growing up. That's why I moved around so much. I actually grew up in California, but try and keep it on the down low so people don't think I'm like Benz Boy :lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 01:13:25 PM
My dad's a veteran. I was an army brat growing up. That's why I moved around so much. I actually grew up in California, but try and keep it on the down low so people don't think I'm like Benz Boy :lol:
HAH!
The more you know :lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 01:13:25 PM
My dad's a veteran. I was an army brat growing up. That's why I moved around so much. I actually grew up in California, but try and keep it on the down low so people don't think I'm like Benz Boy :lol:
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brz forum is absolutely unbearable. Guy claims he has an ECU flash netting 18 hp over stock he couldn't even find where to get a feed for the tach for the dyno, so the x axis is in MPH. There's no torque curve either. People are throwing money at him left and right. The skeptics are being blocked and called trolls :facepalm:
Well without a tach input, the dyno can't convert the power into torque... So that is legit
Do the engines have spark plug leads or are the coils mounted directly on the head?
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
brz forum is absolutely unbearable. Guy claims he has an ECU flash netting 18 hp over stock he couldn't even find where to get a feed for the tach for the dyno, so the x axis is in MPH. There's no torque curve either. People are throwing money at him left and right. The skeptics are being blocked and called trolls :facepalm:
It's been my experience (with one exception) that all marque and model specific forums are filled to the brim with douchenozzles.
Quote from: r0tor on July 12, 2012, 07:41:37 PM
Well without a tach input, the dyno can't convert the power into torque... So that is legit
Do the engines have spark plug leads or are the coils mounted directly on the head?
I'd be seriously surprised if it was anything other than coil-on-plug.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2012, 08:40:49 PM
I'd be seriously surprised if it was anything other than coil-on-plug.
Pretty sure you can just change out the points and condenser on that and get 20 hp.
Toyota's been doing COP for so long you can do a Toyota COP conversion on old Miatas for like five bucks.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2012, 08:39:52 PM
It's been my experience (with one exception) that all marque and model specific forums are filled to the brim with douchenozzles.
+1
never thought that Cadillacforums would actually make me miss s2ki
You know what I'm talking about
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2012, 08:39:52 PM
It's been my experience (with one exception) that all marque and model specific forums are filled to the brim with douchenozzles.
They're normally ok if the car is 20+ years old.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
They're normally ok if the car is 20+ years old.
yeah, I guess I can see that.
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 12, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
+1
never thought that Cadillacforums would actually make me miss s2ki
You know what I'm talking about
Yes, yes I do.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 12, 2012, 08:39:52 PM
It's been my experience (with one exception) that all marque and model specific forums are filled to the brim with douchenozzles.
The SHO forum when I was on was actually filled with good people. The owner did heavy moderation though.
When mine blew up someone offered me a free shortblock to keep it on the road. (Couldn't afford $800 UPS wanted to ship to Germany, and USPS max is 70lbs... :( )
BTW
PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS!!!! Congrats, I would totally love to be in your shoes.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 13, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
BTW
PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS PICS!!!! Congrats, I would totally love to be in your shoes.
I'm sitting at work. Got a ton due by Monday/Tuesday that I need to get done. This is brutal.
I gotta get my Sirius subscription transferred over too. I cleaned out the miata last night, and found the title and keys. I was going to try to get it at lunch, but 4:30 today sounds more feasible. Picking it up with the plastic on it, so the few pics I get up today will be kind of ridiculous. Once it gets detailed and controversially tinted this weekend, I'll put up better pictures :lol:
THIS IS PURE AND UTTER AGONY. GET ME OUT OF THIS CUBICLE!
BRP? BRD? BRG? BRV?
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
THIS IS PURE AND UTTER AGONY. GET ME OUT OF THIS CUBICLE!
Stop posting on the SPIN and get your work done so you can leave.
Post on SPIN and stay late! It's Friday the 13th! You can't pick up your car on Friday the 13th!
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1748386#msg1748386 date=1342203889
Post on SPIN and stay late! It's Friday the 13th! You can't pick up your car on Friday the 13th!
+1
The whole rest of the evening would be like a Final Destination movie for your car.
Well, just got about 6 hours of work dumped on me....they want it by Monday. Behind on 4 other things too. I'm about to just get up, yell fuck it, and go get my car at this point.
Drive now, work over the weekend. It doesn't matter how you structure your time between now and Mon.
Aye. Aren't you dropping it off at the detailer, anyway?
Quote from: Rupert on July 13, 2012, 01:17:51 PM
Aye. Aren't you dropping it off at the detailer, anyway?
Tomorrow, down in Cincinnati. Turns out my brother won't be around tomorrow to pick me up, so I might be stuck sitting there for four hours, watching him detail my car :facepalm:
Guess I'll bring the work laptop or the Kindle or something.
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 01:48:18 PM
Tomorrow, down in Cincinnati. Turns out my brother won't be around tomorrow to pick me up, so I might be stuck sitting there for four hours, watching him detail my car :facepalm:
Guess I'll bring the work laptop or the Kindle or something.
Video tape it. It's like car porn.
Alright, I've had enough. I'm out of here to go get it.
You're probably trolling us all. It's probably a base Impreza. :lol:
:popcorn:
He's gonna get there and it will be the wrong colour. There is no car. :lol:
Quote from: SVT666 on July 13, 2012, 02:57:41 PM
He's gonna get there and it will be the wrong colour. There is no car. :lol:
It's gonna be an automatic...........
It's going to be a tC.
It's a scale model.
The dealer is gonna mount that front plate holder......
We should make sure that the pictures he posts aren't lifted from an AutoTrader ad in California. MrShens!
haha, you guys are crazy
I showed the Mustang today to a potential buyer. Said they'd let me know either in a few hours or next week.
It's both an exciting and sad day on teh spins.
Mr H,
Pics ASAP, please.
It makes me sad that it will get ghetto tint.
I think he should just remove the glass and replace with some lexan poly carbonate stuff.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 13, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
I think he should just remove the glass and replace with some lexan poly carbonate stuff.
And plastidip the paint to protect it.
Got it yet?
Do you have it back home yet?
Why is he so anal about not letting the dealership do the detailing?
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 13, 2012, 04:17:05 PM
Do you have it back home yet?
Of course not. They pulled the plastic off, so he told them to ship it back to Japan.
We're waiting...
Do you have it do you have it do you have it do you have it
Where are the pictures?!
This thread is worthless without pics!!!
Better not be no crappy cellphone pics, either. I want DSLR pix with proper lighting.
Give to us THE PICS.
i have it. And it is glorious. So great in fact, I'm celebrating with Skyline (that's a chilli place for you non ohians) and a beer. :cheers:
I'll boot up the computer soon and add some pics. There's one on facebook for you guys friends with me.
GIVE US THE CHILI OVER SPAGHETTI
and teh pix
Saw it, looks great. How's it drive?
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on July 13, 2012, 03:13:29 PM
The dealer is gonna mount that front plate holder......
Which would be a real shame. Best get on the line with the sales-dude and make sure he tells the PDA monkey not to mess with the front bumper.
Nevermind; would be too late at this point. :lol:
:lol: It's the right color, options, size, and there's no front plate, stupid dealer decal, anything like that. I was going to go out and take a shit ton of pictures for everyone, but I might as well take a quick video and put it on YouTube. My phone is about dead, so I guess I'll tape the whole thing with my tablet.
PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICS. porfavor.
:lol:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 13, 2012, 04:50:16 PM
Saw it, looks great. How's it drive?
Un-fuckin-believable. Better than I remember from the test drive. A few points to note since my test drive: exhaust is pretty loud stock, I love it. Also, the steering is heavier than I remember. It's pretty stiff suspension wise, but it's a million times better than the Miata. The Miata would bob and weave all over the place. This thing just absorbs and goes. Also, the shift action may be my favorite ever. Taller shifter, but very short shifts. VERY direct, very clicky, very precise. I like it more than the Miatas.
I don't like where the friction point is on the clutch. It's reaaaaally high. Easily adjustable though. I got used to it pretty quickly too, but I'd rather have it closer to the floor. I'll get to it this weekend.
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 05:03:21 PM
Un-fuckin-believable. Better than I remember from the test drive. A few points to note since my test drive: exhaust is pretty loud stock, I love it. Also, the steering is heavier than I remember. It's pretty stiff suspension wise, but it's a million times better than the Miata. The Miata would bob and weave all over the place. This thing just absorbs and goes. Also, the shift action may be my favorite ever. Taller shifter, but very short shifts. VERY direct, very clicky, very precise. I like it more than the Miatas.
I don't like where the friction point is on the clutch. It's reaaaaally high. Easily adjustable though. I got used to it pretty quickly too, but I'd rather have it closer to the floor. I'll get to it this weekend.
:praise:
AutoX and track time now.
Carspin is going slower, with all the people pressing F5 and wanting to see the brrrrz
Uploading a dorky video of me and the car now :lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
Uploading a dorky video of me and the car now :lol:
hurry up
holy shit YouTube is slow. 5%
I will file a ticket to allocate more intertubes for your FR-Z video.
don't associate my class-mobile with that teenage punk shit FR-S :lol:
Way cool.
Vid?
This thread does not deliver.
:rage:
Pics vid shens shins vod
26% on the upload. This is ridiculous. Kevin, route more internetz power to youtube and away from furry sites (sorry Nick).
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 05:44:42 PM
26% on the upload. This is ridiculous. Kevin, route more internetz power to youtube and away from furry sites (sorry Nick).
Dammit
Watch it be all him standing outside the car going "Ah... so... this... is my new BR-Z. It's got.... blue paint... and... ah.... lotta trunk space... plannin on.... going to the store later.... before I get it detailed... ah... that's all I got for now!"
:lol:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 13, 2012, 05:52:12 PM
Watch it be all him standing outside the car going "Ah... so... this... is my new BR-Z. It's got.... blue paint... and... ah.... lotta trunk space... plannin on.... going to the store later.... before I get it detailed... ah... that's all I got for now!"
.....
well, what the hell did you expect?! :lol: That's pretty much it.
leave your phone on the ground and drive at WOT straight over it or something cool like that. You've read that engine break-in page... it's good for you
Quote from: Laconian on July 13, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
Carspin is going slower, with all the people pressing F5 and wanting to see the brrrrz
+1
Funny this is the best thing going on at CarSpin in 2012...
Rotary Miata is cooler, but this is way more satisfying at the moment. :lol:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 13, 2012, 06:08:23 PM
leave your phone on the ground and drive at WOT straight over it or something cool like that. You've read that engine break-in page... it's good for you
Fun will begin after 1,000 miles. I might take it out to the middle of Pennslyvania next week. That'll get me past break in period.
Yeah, I'd find a way to drive 1000 miles in the next two days.
Except highway crusing isn't great for breaking in.
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 06:17:37 PM
Fun will begin after 1,000 miles. I might take it out to the middle of Pennslyvania next week. That'll get me past break in period.
Make it eastern pa
Quote from: SVT666 on July 13, 2012, 04:19:58 PM
Why is he so anal about not letting the dealership do the detailing?
As someone who worked at a dealer for 16 years I wouldn't let them do it if I could.
Quote from: Rupert on July 13, 2012, 06:16:01 PM
Rotary Miata is cooler, but this is way more satisfying at the moment. :lol:
Hey, that shit cost money! I've got a trip to Florida to get done with then I'll start up again.
I want some pictures of this car please. I really want my girlfriend to get one so no matter what car we take it's a win-win for me.
Quote from: Onslaught on July 13, 2012, 06:39:26 PM
Hey, that shit cost money! I've got a trip to Florida to get done with then I'll start up again.
I want some pictures of this car please. I really want my girlfriend to get one so no matter what car we take it's a win-win for me.
Hey how do you have miata fog/driving lights wired? I am thinking I need to get some to be on all the time the car is running. But want a switch to kill them if I want.. But no room hardly anywhere for a switch! :huh:
I'm going to go freeze myself. Someone thaw me when the video is up.
:zzz:
You guys are going to be so disappointed by my lame video :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLESL1G-OnI
lulz, still nothing
Fixed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLESL1G-OnI
BReeZe PICTURE!!!!!
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/03/04/18/19/1999_plymouth_breeze_4_dr_std_sedan-pic-19449.jpeg)
I am fapping now
ERRRRight I'm inside
I bet you say that a lot
So do you miss the Miata at all? :lol:
Will the stereo in that play MP3s off of a USB thumbdrive or is the USB port only for plugging in MP3 players and iPods?
Goddamn that's a nice car! The interior looks awesome, too. Everything seems so well put together and high quality. This is going to be a car to remember!
Very cool. Love the color.
But now I know what one of you guys sounds like. I always imagined you sounding like Gilbert Godfrey.
Nice man, congrats.
You know I really like that interior. The shifter is longer then I like but other then that it's spot on. I hope these cars do well so Mazda, Nissan and the others can step it up too. We need more cars like this if you ask me.
Well done and I hope you like it.
Congrats!
Quote from: MX793 on July 13, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Will the stereo in that play MP3s off of a USB thumbdrive or is the USB port only for plugging in MP3 players and iPods?
In the video, it appears that he does not know how to work any of the interior electronics. :lol:
Nice car.
You also sound a lot different than I thought you would
Congrats on the car. I'm fairly jealous since I'm looking at used sedans and minivans right now ( instead of something fun ) to add to our fleet. :lol:
I like those toggles on the interior center stack
Hang onto that video, it'll be nice to go back to. Wish I had something like that when I first bought the Cooper S.
Nice. That's rad.
Nice ride!!! And those rear seats are usless!! :cheers:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 13, 2012, 06:43:23 PM
Hey how do you have miata fog/driving lights wired? I am thinking I need to get some to be on all the time the car is running. But want a switch to kill them if I want.. But no room hardly anywhere for a switch! :huh:
Someone makes/made a kit to get the parking lights to behave like DRLs. There was also a kit to put lights in the funny outside blanks on the front parking lights. I had mine set up so the turn signals were in the side blanks and the regular parking lights were DRLs.
I got a good look at one of these (the Scion version) on the freeway today, and I'm finally a full-fledged fan. The proportions of the car are simply beautiful, and it definitely makes a case for itself at $25-30k. Dare I say it looks like it could be an even more expensive car?
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 13, 2012, 11:33:13 PM
Dare I say it looks like it could be an even more expensive car?
I wouldn't say that. But thats because I know whats under the hood..... :mask:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on July 13, 2012, 11:41:39 PM
I wouldn't say that. But thats because I know whats under the hood..... :mask:
Just think of it as 2/3rds of a Porsche engine in a car with 1/2 of a Porsche price tag.
I would take this over a V6 pony car without hesitation.
Quote from: Rupert on July 13, 2012, 11:16:43 PM
Someone makes/made a kit to get the parking lights to behave like DRLs. There was also a kit to put lights in the funny outside blanks on the front parking lights. I had mine set up so the turn signals were in the side blanks and the regular parking lights were DRLs.
Bro, ain't no kit for the front parking light blanks. I just bought a couple of housings and a couple of bulbs and wired them up after drilling a couple of holes. Now I have edge-to-edge JDM tyte lites.
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 13, 2012, 11:54:07 PM
Just think of it as 2/3rds of a Porsche engine in a car with 1/2 of a Porsche price tag.
I would take this over a V6 pony car without hesitation.
That would be tough but I'd never consider a non V8 Pony car anyway! LOL!
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 13, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Bro, ain't no kit for the front parking light blanks. I just bought a couple of housings and a couple of bulbs and wired them up after drilling a couple of holes. Now I have edge-to-edge JDM tyte lites.
:huh: It was many years ago, homie.
Thanks everyone. Gotta say, i had to poke my head in the garage a couple times tonight just to look at it.
The interior is a huge leap from the Miata. No rags, i don't miss it :lol:
Yes, it will play mp3s from a flash drive i believe.
I'll do a full interior geek out session soon on it for a YouTube video. And I'm glad I sound nothing like what you guys expected (Onslaught thought I'd sound like Gilbert Godfrey?!)
Turns out the drive next weekend to my buddy's family owned bed and breakfast is actually a hell of a drive. One of my roommates and i will be going straight from work in the BRZ next Friday then. Should be broken in after that.
Oh, and by hell of a drive, supposedly it's windy on deserted country roads.
What functions do the center stack toggles control?
Boner modulation
Quote from: Onslaught on July 13, 2012, 06:35:56 PM
As someone who worked at a dealer for 16 years I wouldn't let them do it if I could.
Agreed. Dealers are notoriously shit at detailing.
Definitely a nice looking car, much better looking than the FR-S IMO.
Oh, and Mike at least you have a satisfyingly manly-sounding voice, makes the video listenable. :lol:
congrats! love it.
How far back is the driver seat?
How thumpy is the stereo?
Trunk looks much bigger than I thought actually, and I suppose the rear seats fold down? (would probably just remove them.)
Congrats! Colour looks better in the video than on the pics. Really nice car.
BTW, I thought it would be pronounced BR-Zed, sounds better than BR-Zee?
Quote from: S204STi on July 14, 2012, 12:23:29 AM
Definitely a nice looking car, much better looking than the FR-S IMO.
Oh, and Mike at least you have a satisfyingly manly-sounding voice, makes the video listenable. :lol:
The interior is definitely a step up from the FR-S. The materials were OK (soft-touch dash and all), but the HVAC controls seemed cheap and the radio didn't look like it was actually meant to be in the car. Looked like an aftermarket job that somebody picked up at Pep Boys and slapped in. The exterior differences are truly minimal.
Also, couldn't tell for certain from the vid, but is the trunk lid finished inside (is there some kind of cloth cover over the inner workings)? The FR-S I looked at wasn't.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 14, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
What functions do the center stack toggles control?
Those are all HVAC controls. I'll get a good video up today explaining everything :praise:
Dude, so jealous. That car is freaking awesome
No pictures, no proof! That video could be anyone.
Beautiful car. :cheers:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1748812#msg1748812 date=1342274143
No pictures, no proof! That video could be anyone.
Yeah, I would've mentioned CarSPIN at least once, or called Raza fuckface or something. :lol:
I think I saw that video posted on the www.dascion4evah.com forums two weeks ago, anyway.
Also, "There she is. Still dirty. Still wrapped in plastic" sounds way more serial killer-y than I think you (or whoever made that video) meant it to.
Start/stop is a the bottom of the dash? Ultra mega gay. :tounge:
Quote from: Raza on July 14, 2012, 08:41:43 AM
Start/stop is a the bottom of the dash? Ultra mega gay. :tounge:
you are grasping at straws here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uouujp9Jz4
heheh
Need to wash and wax my "new" baby.
Anyone have any preferences as far as paste to take the oxidation off? Rear end looks nice but front is quite white-cloudy..
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 14, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
What functions do the center stack toggles control?
All HVAC stuff. I'll make another video of the interior soon and walk through it all .
Quote from: S204STi on July 14, 2012, 12:18:52 AM
Agreed. Dealers are notoriously shit at detailing.
Yeah, they would have just scratched the shit out of the clear coat.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 14, 2012, 05:19:27 AM
congrats! love it.
How far back is the driver seat?
How thumpy is the stereo?
Trunk looks much bigger than I thought actually, and I suppose the rear seats fold down? (would probably just remove them.)
My seat when driving is probably 2, maybe 3 clicks from fully back. Fully back, it's against the back seat. So there's probably about an inch and a half behind me when I drive :lol:
Stereo is very bass heavy. Mids are kind of weak. I haven't played with the equalizer much yet.
Ok so the video I posted. The water beads like crazy where the plastic was, doesn't at all everywhere else. I was going to go get it detailed and opti-coated today, but the rain prevented that. It can't get rain on it for 24 hours after getting it done. It started drizzling while driving around today. One wipe of the wipers, and it was disgusting. Just a thick, brown slime got piled up on the windshield. So I took it to the touchless spray place and sprayed it down. That video just shows how bad it needs to detailed. Unfortunately, it's raining. So I sprayed it down, took my mom out to breakfast in it, and I think I'm going to detail it myself now. Atleast get some sort of protection on it.
What are everyone's thoughts on just using a spray detailer to get it perfectly clean, given that I washed it down a little bit ago? I can do that in the garage, clay bar it, lightly polish what needs to be polished, then wax it. I won't be able to get it professionally done for at least a week now, and I want to get something on it for my trip to Pennslyvania next weekend.
Oh, and to that review that said you couldn't power slide it around... :devil: The rain definitely helps, but it's pretty easy to power slide if that's what you want to do.
Got on the power just a bit making a tight turn. Back end swung around, countersteered, and kept on going. ESC didn't even go off. It was beautiful. Sooooo much more progressive and easier to control than the miata.
hehe
Careful, someone already wrecked an FRS- took the ESC off and did a little spirited driving around a mild corner..
Did you read his post? Guy had no idea what driving dynamics even were. I don't think he had a clue that FWD and RWD even drive differently.
I slid my miata around all the time on stickier summer tires that were a lot less forgiving. And that has a shorter wheel base too :lol:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 14, 2012, 09:40:08 AM
hehe
Careful, someone already wrecked an FRS- took the ESC off and did a little spirited driving around a mild corner..
It dumbfounds me how many people have no f*cking clue how to drive a RWD car. Or that people are stupid enough to try to take any car they aren't familiar with to 10/10ths right off the bat rather than working up to it and feeling out the limits of the car.
Quote from: MX793 on July 14, 2012, 09:46:36 AM
It dumbfounds me how many people have no f*cking clue how to drive a RWD car. Or that people are stupid enough to try to take any car they aren't familiar with to 10/10ths right off the bat rather than working up to it and feeling out the limits of the car.
It took me a long time to take the R3 up to even near it's limits. I want to know what it will do before I put it around a tree.
Quote from: Onslaught on July 14, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
It took me a long time to take the R3 up to even near it's limits. I want to know what it will do before I put it around a tree.
I'm the same way. And other things too. I mean, you have to get a feeling for the visibility before you can start weaving in and out of lanes on the highway, too.
+1 to all yous guys.
Just got a little rear slideage at 20mph, it's really wet out and I've been trying to get some (CONTROLLED) driftaroo..
This thread just inspired me to take the RX8 out for some exercise... lol hit 50mph around a 10 mph turn with lots of wheelspin on exit :D
I got the Caddy's tail out for the very first time just a few months ago. Completely unintentional. Now I realize how weight is the enemy of spirited driving :mask:
I need LSD. :(
Talk to your drug dealer. :huh:
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
You guys are going to be so disappointed by my lame video :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLESL1G-OnI
Heh, congrats!
I have the same exact polo btw
I have a polo shirt, too. I should get BRZ.
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 14, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
I got the Caddy's tail out for the very first time just a few months ago. Completely unintentional. Now I realize how weight is the enemy of spirited driving :mask:
Yep. Holy mother of polar inertia, batman.
Once that shit gets out: it stays out.
I liked drifting my old long bed Chebby truck. So easy to control. It was like slow motion.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 14, 2012, 05:54:05 PM
Yep. Holy mother of polar inertia, batman.
Once that shit gets out: it stays out.
Unless your name is Fernando Alonso:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fauVIrPVXpY
I still don't understand how he saved that after going onto the turf.
I drifted waggin in the snow once. Felt good man.
Quote from: SVT_Power on July 14, 2012, 07:44:46 PM
Unless your name is Fernando Alonso:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fauVIrPVXpY
I still don't understand how he saved that after going onto the turf.
That is fucking amazing!
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 14, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
I got the Caddy's tail out for the very first time just a few months ago. Completely unintentional. Now I realize how weight is the enemy of spirited driving :mask:
First time? I've had the tail out on my Jetta dozens of times. Dry and snow. Snow can be scary because it sort of comes out even if you don't want it to.
Quote from: Raza on July 15, 2012, 05:41:32 AM
First time? I've had the tail out on my Jetta dozens of times. Dry and snow. Snow can be scary because it sort of comes out even if you don't want it to.
Drifted my FWD SHO at 20mph totally by accident. Ended up looking the way I'd come, the way I wanted to go was behind me...
Totally icy hardpack...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YeNOo0B5KY
Interior part one.
Okay. Less interiors, and more 0-100-0 vids.
Hah, so raza really is a fuckface
Quote from: MrH on July 15, 2012, 07:03:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YeNOo0B5KY
Interior part one.
:lol:
Love the shout out,
I was doing an auto-x once in a Boxster. Before the final turn was close to a 360 degree circle skidpad to the finish. I came in too fast, lost it, and the front end started pointing at the cones. I managed to save it through the skidpad, my time was screwed, but people gave me a huge applause. I wish I had video of it. Drifting nose first around a circle of cones to the finish line and saving it.
TL;DR: Nose was pointed at apex for almost a full circle and I saved it somehow. Probably needed new tires after that. :(
Thanks for the shot of your GPS. Now I know what house to TP.
Shoot a video of the engine bay. Nothing better then a brand new engine that's all clean.
ugh I'm scared.
This video is a good review with a little drive, takes a sharp corner marked 20mph at 40mph and just blows through it casually, but at the end says "those tailpipes are a little too small. Gonna have to fix that soon."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=--1SSf9sixg&feature=endscreen
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
KEEP THE RICERZ AWAY!!!!
Anyone translate Japanese??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Oh_4S40KyHs&feature=endscreen
American audience wouldn't get this one anyway- I saw an old Subie like that on ebay a while back, non-running for just a few hundred bucks. Would be fun to rebuild and do parades or BRZ rallies or whatever... :lol:
Oh, the Ricerz will be all over these things.
Quote from: Onslaught on July 15, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
Oh, the Ricerz will be all over these things.
In a heartbeat..........
Quote from: Raza on July 15, 2012, 08:09:27 AM
:lol:
Love the shout out,
:lol: had to set the record straight.
Quote from: Onslaught on July 15, 2012, 08:23:31 AM
Thanks for the shot of your GPS. Now I know what house to TP.
Shoot a video of the engine bay. Nothing better then a brand new engine that's all clean.
I will later. The engine is basically dragging on the ground and up against the fire wall. A turbo would be really difficult to route in there. The view out is pretty crazy because the hood is soooo low. The middle of the hood just drops off out of sight, and the fenders flare up a lot higher on each side. Pretty cool view.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 15, 2012, 08:33:04 AM
ugh I'm scared.
This video is a good review with a little drive, takes a sharp corner marked 20mph at 40mph and just blows through it casually, but at the end says "those tailpipes are a little too small. Gonna have to fix that soon."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=--1SSf9sixg&feature=endscreen
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
KEEP THE RICERZ AWAY!!!!
Fuck that guy. Don't watch his videos. He's all over the BRZ forums promotin his shit. He's made a million videos. and now he's bitching about how he doesn't love the car and how he was considering a GT-R too. He's a spoiled little shit. I think his parents pay for everything. Now he's saying that there isn't enough "drama" in the car. He's a wanna-be clarkson/harris, and now is just being controversial for the sake of it to try and views. It's pretty sad. Pretty much reads just like that EVO review.
There's a bad ass review I saw the other day on the car. I'll post a link when I find it again. Also, about the exhaust tips: they actually are smaller than the JDM ones. The JDM ones are 86 mm in diameter (same as the stroke, same as the bore, etc). They look really good.
Quote from: Onslaught on July 15, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
Oh, the Ricerz will be all over these things.
I'll be doing the opposite. Taillights will be all red soon, and much classier :praise:
Quote from: MrH on July 15, 2012, 10:14:01 AM
:lol: had to set the record straight.
Although, technically, it could have been anyone giving a shout out to anyone else named Raza. You weren't CarSPIN specific.
Quote from: Raza on July 15, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
Although, technically, it could have been anyone giving a shout out to anyone else named Raza. You weren't CarSPIN specific.
Lol fuckface.
Congrats - new cars are all sorts of fun. From here on out I'll definitely be on much shorter rotation than in times past.
Quote from: Raza on July 15, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
Although, technically, it could have been anyone giving a shout out to anyone else named Raza. You weren't CarSPIN specific.
Obviously he should've said your whole name on youtube
As to this spike in drifting stories, the G doesn't allow too much. Even with stability control "off" it will still intervene to a moderate extent, plus the AWD won't allow for much of it anyway, though it keeps it on the edge - I have yet to get the car to plow or understeer.
Quote from: MrH on July 13, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
You guys are going to be so disappointed by my lame video :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLESL1G-OnI
Good to see the new car, man. It looks pretty sweet. Good luck with it.
I just saw one the exact same color as yours. But the owner had the front plate drilled into the right side of the bumper NEXT the black insert!
Wowowowow am I jealous. Congrats man, here's to many miles of happy motoring.
Quote from: Raza on July 15, 2012, 05:41:32 AM
First time? I've had the tail out on my Jetta dozens of times. Dry and snow. Snow can be scary because it sort of comes out even if you don't want it to.
Yeah. I'm actually surprised that it even happened because the stability control is usually pretty quick in calling an end to the shenanigans
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 15, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Yeah. I'm actually surprised that it even happened because the stability control is usually pretty quick in calling an end to the shenanigans
Fun fact: the parking brake stops the traction and stability control programs from running in most cars; even those that won't ever noramlly go ff entirely, enough pressure on the parking brak eto light up the warning light and it stops running.
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 15, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Yeah. I'm actually surprised that it even happened because the stability control is usually pretty quick in calling an end to the shenanigans
It all depends on the programming of allowable yawn rates and wheel spin. It's not at all uncommon for spotty rides to have the systems allow 20-30 degrees of yawn before intervention.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 15, 2012, 07:46:30 PM
Fun fact: the parking brake stops the traction and stability control programs from running in most cars; even those that won't ever noramlly go ff entirely, enough pressure on the parking brak eto light up the warning light and it stops running.
Useless fact if it's one of those idiot push on/push off type brakes, though.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 15, 2012, 10:00:05 PM
Useless fact if it's one of those idiot push on/push off type brakes, though.
Well, its not of great use in any case.
I want to hear what it soinds like over 4000 RPM.
That car has already seen more than 4,000 rpm multiple times already by the guys responsible for driving 'em around prior to sale.
I never believed in the break-in thing anyway. If it were a factor the automaker would simply break the engines in themselves, or you'd have engine problems coast to coast (and there aren't).
Meh, maybe so. But I'm not about to beat the piss out of a car I just dropped $30k on against the OEMs recommendations just because it might be BS.
Well, since the detailing guy backed out on me last second, I did it all myself yesterday. Washed, clay barred, polished, and waxed the whole thing. Overall, looks pretty great. Got a lot of wax on the windows and didn't feel like cleaning them last night though :lol: I'll clean them up today. Took a long ass time, but I'm glad I did it. Otherwise I would have been driving around for well over a week with zero protection on the paint.
When I was at a BMW plant, they did actually run all the cars on a chassis dyno before leaving the assembly plant.
Quote from: r0tor on July 16, 2012, 05:27:52 AM
When I was at a BMW plant, they did actually run all the cars on a chassis dyno before leaving the assembly plant.
What's more c00l is lamborghini running every single motor on an engine dyno and breaking in the engine before putting them into their cars
Quote from: r0tor on July 16, 2012, 05:27:52 AM
When I was at a BMW plant, they did actually run all the cars on a chassis dyno before leaving the assembly plant.
Yup, they did the same thing at the plant in Leipzig. I got to ride along for their entire testing procedure. They put it on a chassis dyno, run it to varying loads. They have a screen in front of them, showing the RPM and load they need to be at and how long they have to hold it for. Pretty cool.
I figure it's best to just follow OEM standards though. This will probably be my only car for 5-6 years (unless the STI version comes out :mask:)
Quote from: r0tor on July 15, 2012, 07:49:12 PM
It all depends on the programming of allowable yawn rates and wheel spin. It's not at all uncommon for spotty rides to have the systems allow 20-30 degrees of yawn before intervention.
Yawn rates. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on July 16, 2012, 08:14:57 AM
Yawn rates. :lol:
They must intervene with lots of coffee or Red Bull to stop all that yawning.
Decreasing yaw rates, increasing yawn rates.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 15, 2012, 10:00:05 PM
Useless fact if it's one of those idiot push on/push off type brakes, though.
gen1 Taurus had footpedal with a hand release. So you looked like a tard bending down to reach under the dash to hold the release while ebrake funning
One of the most prominent features of the Miata is the handiness of the ebrake. If it could be any closer to your lap it would be a saddle.
:mask: the more I drive it, the more I'm glad I got it. Absolutely incredible. The balance and reactions of the car is just ridiculous. I feel more confident and in control of this than I ever did the miata. It's so beautifully composed through the turn it's ridiculous. The miata bobbed up and down every where. The turn in is instant. It just sets and goes. You can feather more and more throttle mid turn, and it just keeps gripping and gripping. Little more power and you get such a buttery smooth rotation. At that point, the throttle just becomes a dial with which you pick the direction you want the car.
Honestly, ive never driven something so balanced, controlled and effortless through corners. I'm a firm believer that I can only put a car around a track as fast as I am comfortable with it. This car never gives me those heart wretching, pucker up moments when I near the edge of adhesion. Give me a relatively tight course, and I really doubt there's much else out there I'd turn a faster lap time in.
:wub:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on July 16, 2012, 05:56:23 PM
gen1 Taurus had footpedal with a hand release. So you looked like a tard bending down to reach under the dash to hold the release while ebrake funning
One of the most prominent features of the Miata is the handiness of the ebrake. If it could be any closer to your lap it would be a saddle.
Ugh, I hate how Mazda got lazy with the NC and made the handbrake be on the other side of the console. Makes it very hard to pull any shenanigans. :rage:
I wonder how hard it will be to get a test drive in one of these babies. :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on July 16, 2012, 09:25:08 PM
I wonder how hard it will be to get a test drive in one of these babies. :lol:
I need to find one and try...
Or just steal Mr. H's. :lol:
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 16, 2012, 09:26:23 PM
I need to find one and try...
Or just steal Mr. H's. :lol:
I drive a late-model car now, so hopefully I'm a bit more credible.
I still need to try pulling the 'I wanna trade in the Miata' line and see if i could get a test drive.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 16, 2012, 09:33:12 PM
I still need to try pulling the 'I wanna trade in the Miata' line and see if i could get a test drive.
I might bring a friend with me to see if that will help.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 16, 2012, 09:33:12 PM
I still need to try pulling the 'I wanna trade in the Miata' line and see if i could get a test drive.
I'd probably be able to do the same with the BMW. Or maybe the Mustang after it gets a real license plate (I'd look silly trying to say I want to trade in a car that still has paper plates)
Quote from: hotrodalex on July 16, 2012, 09:39:22 PM
I'd probably be able to do the same with the BMW. Or maybe the Mustang after it gets a real license plate (I'd look silly trying to say I want to trade in a car that still has paper plates)
You never know. I was driving a brand-new rental Camry last time I went car shopping in '07, and more than one salesman asked me if I was "trading in the Camry" :facepalm:
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 16, 2012, 09:45:50 PM
You never know. I was driving a brand-new rental Camry last time I went car shopping in '07, and more than one salesman asked me if I was "trading in the Camry" :facepalm:
If you're going to sell a car , and you have to renew the plate: why buy a permanent plate?
Quote from: 2o6 on July 16, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
I might bring a friend with me to see if that will help.
That's usually a red flag, especially at your age and since you're black.
I should show up in brother's Viper.
944 is probably too old. :(
Quote from: thecarnut on July 16, 2012, 09:33:12 PM
I still need to try pulling the 'I wanna trade in the Miata' line and see if i could get a test drive.
I've used that line before.
I love it! That color is great....it goes well with the black interior (which looks very HQ and well designed).
Congrats!
Needs moar broken in engine + doriftos
I like the white-face RPM dial on the FRSz
Need moar pikchures
Which model did you get?
I pretty much follow break-in religiously on my cars. Why take the risk if you are planning on keeping it for long?
This thread is making me want to go dorifto my car.
Quote from: BENZ BOY15 on July 17, 2012, 09:59:58 AM
Which model did you get?
Seeing as the thread is titled "MrH and the BRZ," I think it's safe to assume he picked up a new 528i.
Quote from: CALL_911 on July 17, 2012, 12:10:28 PM
Seeing as the thread is titled "MrH and the BRZ," I think it's safe to assume he picked up a new 528i.
:lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 16, 2012, 05:25:25 AM
Meh, maybe so. But I'm not about to beat the piss out of a car I just dropped $30k on against the OEMs recommendations just because it might be BS.
Well, since the detailing guy backed out on me last second, I did it all myself yesterday. Washed, clay barred, polished, and waxed the whole thing. Overall, looks pretty great. Got a lot of wax on the windows and didn't feel like cleaning them last night though :lol: I'll clean them up today. Took a long ass time, but I'm glad I did it. Otherwise I would have been driving around for well over a week with zero protection on the paint.
Now do that once per summer for the rest of your life (with washes and waxes in between) and you'll have a good-looking car for years to come and you won't need a detailing guy. :ohyeah:
I broke in Accent Italian Style.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 17, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
I broke in Accent Italian Style.
By talking with your hands and not buttoning your shirt?
Quote from: Raza on July 17, 2012, 08:34:33 PM
By talking with your hands and not buttoning your shirt?
:lol:
I just remembered: Back in the spring when i went to Geneva for the auto show for work, my boss and i stopped and spent a day driving the nurburgring. The general rule in Germany is you put a small ring outline decal on your car if you've driven it with your car. In the US, it usually means the driver has.
I picked up a white ring decal for the Miata. Then i bought a royal blue one and told my boss, " this is just in case I somehow end up buying a blue BRZ. It'll probably never happen, but maybe."
Sure enough, i have one now. I'm going to clean the windows this week, and put it on the quarter window on the driver side :praise:
There's a chick I see driving into work that has one on the back of her 1-Series
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 18, 2012, 05:32:15 PM
There's a chick I see driving into work that has one on the back of her 1-Series
:wub:
Quote from: MrH on July 18, 2012, 05:35:32 PM
:wub:
Her and the aftermarket wheels (flashy) that are on the car are nothin' to look at, trust me.
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 17, 2012, 01:56:07 PM
Now do that once per summer for the rest of your life (with washes and waxes in between) and you'll have a good-looking car for years to come and you won't need a detailing guy. :ohyeah:
I tend to agree...
Quote from: MrH on July 18, 2012, 05:19:54 PM
I just remembered: Back in the spring when i went to Geneva for the auto show for work, my boss and i stopped and spent a day driving the nurburgring. The general rule in Germany is you put a small ring outline decal on your car if you've driven it with your car. In the US, it usually means the driver has.
I picked up a white ring decal for the Miata. Then i bought a royal blue one and told my boss, " this is just in case I somehow end up buying a blue BRZ. It'll probably never happen, but maybe."
Sure enough, i have one now. I'm going to clean the windows this week, and put it on the quarter window on the driver side :praise:
Quarter window? Why not the rear windscreen?
Ordering begins on some minor enhancement things.
Working in interiors has made me a total snob. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on July 18, 2012, 08:34:25 PM
Quarter window? Why not the rear windscreen?
Where would you put it in the back window? Either way it's going to look really awkward I think (very unsymmetrical). Maybe once I race at Mid Ohio, I'll add one for there too.
Quote from: Raza on July 18, 2012, 08:34:25 PM
Quarter window? Why not the rear windscreen?
Front windscreen.
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2012, 10:52:06 AM
Where would you put it in the back window? Either way it's going to look really awkward I think (very unsymmetrical). Maybe once I race at Mid Ohio, I'll add one for there too.
Lower passenger side.
Actually, lower driver side.
Face.
My 'ring sticker is on the passenger side rear window. Looks good man.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 19, 2012, 12:03:56 PM
My 'ring sticker is on the passenger side rear window. Looks good man.
Not fooling anyone
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 19, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
It says, "Nev?rbeen"
Wait, do you really? Cant tell if you're serious. If you are, that's awesome.
Put it on the drive b pillar. Looks great :praise:
(http://graphic.users57.donhost-preview.co.uk/store/images/NEO00199.jpg)
Yup, n?v?rb??n. Just feel I have to let everyone know I haven't been.
Lol that's awesome.
Found out another guy at our Detroit head quarters is an awesome car nut too. He has yet to drive the ring. We're going to ty and go for work this fall. Hopefully they got BRZ/gt86 to rent by then.
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Lol that's awesome.
Found out another guy at our Detroit head quarters is an awesome car nut too. He has yet to drive the ring. We're going to ty and go for work this fall. Hopefully they got BRZ/gt86 to rent by then.
That's not fair.
Why is Europe spared the embarrassment of the Scion brand?
The work trip or the scion here?
There was a gray BRZ at the movies last night. You're no longer the only person trying to convince to get one of those. My friend said "Come on, you have to get that. That's as close to the Batmobile as you can get."
Very awesome car.
Quote from: MrH on July 19, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Lol that's awesome.
Found out another guy at our Detroit head quarters is an awesome car nut too. He has yet to drive the ring. We're going to ty and go for work this fall. Hopefully they got BRZ/gt86 to rent by then.
A friend just rented an Artega GT. Awesome car.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1752353#msg1752353 date=1342885927
There was a gray BRZ at the movies last night. You're no longer the only person trying to convince to get one of those. My friend said "Come on, you have to get that. That's as close to the Batmobile as you can get."
Very awesome car.
So stop Teutoning around with your MSC threads and get a BRZ already. You could probably sell a couple of watches and pay cash for one.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 21, 2012, 10:12:22 AM
So stop Teutoning around with your MSC threads and get a BRZ already. You could probably sell a couple of watches and pay cash for one.
Eh, fixed roof.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1752364#msg1752364 date=1342889450
Eh, fixed roof.
You're hopeless.
Quote from: Raza on July 21, 2012, 10:50:50 AM
Eh, fixed roof.
You really don't seem like a sunshine and wind in the hair kind of guy.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 21, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
You really don't seem like a sunshine and wind in the hair kind of guy.
I know, right? And it sounds like he lives in a shitty area, therefore should be afraid of convertible tops being shredded.
Convertibles are for happy people.
(http://wallpapersup.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/girl-convertible-laugh-happy-photography-600x337.jpg)
Raza is not happy people.
I saw a very unhappy looking old guy driving a Bentley convertible the other day. It's possible, it just doesn't make sense to anyone else.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 21, 2012, 12:48:32 PM
I saw a very unhappy looking old guy driving a Bentley convertible the other day. It's possible, it just doesn't make sense to anyone else.
Can't buy your way out of old.
Quote from: Laconian on July 21, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Can't buy your way out of old.
That's for sure. And if you could, I don't think a Bentley would be the way to do it.
So Mike, how about an update on the new car's driving experience.
How many miles do you have on it now? Are you through the break-in period yet, so you can really open this baby up?
And have there been any pictures? All I've seen so far are a bunch of unconfirmed, fuzzy videos, much like UFO footage.
Quote from: dazzleman on July 21, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
So Mike, how about an update on the new car's driving experience.
How many miles do you have on it now? Are you through the break-in period yet, so you can really open this baby up?
Not through the break in period yet. I'm at 950 miles, so I'll have it broken in by Tuesday probably. I did get it up to 5500 RPM a couple of times today though. I drove to the middle of Pennsylvania and back this weekend. Highlight included about a 40 minute stretch through back roads that were heavily wooded. Just a ton of blind corners, had to rely on the GPS to really have an idea of what was coming up :lol:.
So far, I absolutely adore the car. I was worried after I had ordered it, but before it had gotten in, that I was going to regret buying it. But I don't one bit. I haven't seen a car on the road since I've had it that I would rather have. It's absolutely gorgeous, and unbelievably tight to drive. All other cars just feel so inaccurate. Hands down the perfect daily driver for me. I haven't ever enjoyed a car this much, and so far I've just be puttin around under 4k RPM. I think I've washed it 4 times already.
The car truly is something special to say the least. The reactions I get from people are just unbelievable too. Driving through NE Ohio today, some black guy was hangin out of a beat up, Oldsmobile just going nuts. Big thumbs up, rubber necking, trying to see my car from every angle. Every time we stopped for a quick bite to eat, people would be taking cell phone pictures of it in the parking lot. Some random guy in my neighborhood pulled up, so excited to see one. Every time I've come out to my car either to go to lunch or leave for home from work, there's some coworker looking at it.
And to think I never even once got a thumbs up in the Miata :lol:
I'll put some pictures up tomorrow during work. I plan on changing the oil sometime this week, and then I'll likely take it up to Detroit on Thursday night for work and a tournament this weekend.
I get a "nice car" every now and then for the 944. A few weeks ago, I got one from a stopped car while I was making a left turn quickly. Feelsgoodman.
Also, time to change your sig!
Lets get that sig changed bro!
I'll whip something up in Photoshop tomorrow at work.
Quote from: MrH on July 22, 2012, 10:43:05 PM
I'll whip something up in Photoshop tomorrow at work.
Get a Chimpsig.
Quote from: Laconian on July 22, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
Get a Chimpsig.
That's like asking da Vinci to create another Mona Lisa. Not sure if I could place that burden on him.
(http://i.imgur.com/zGNHU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/43sM7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/acVlu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LHLcd.jpg)
These were prior to detailing and it was overcast. If it gets nice and sunny out, I might go take a few more.
Looks great dude. I still would have gotten gray though. ;)
How is the gas pedal? Is it light or touchy?
Also, that seems like a nice neighborhood.
Those pictures outside are at my parent's house. That explains the nice neighborhood :lol:
Gas pedal is a little light, nothing too strange though. My biggest complaint about it is the clutch. The friction point is at the absolute of top of the pedal travel. I've gotten used to moving from a stop just fine, but when shifting fast, I still don't have the timing down to make everything silky smooth because the friction point is so weird.
This can all be fixed apparently. A few wrenches and hanging upside down in the footwell for a half hour and it'll be fixed. I'll probably do it today.
Damn that looks really good
I still can't get past those wheels though
But that shiz looks awesome
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 08:31:57 AM
Those pictures outside are at my parent's house. That explains the nice neighborhood :lol:
Gas pedal is a little light, nothing too strange though. My biggest complaint about it is the clutch. The friction point is at the absolute of top of the pedal travel. I've gotten used to moving from a stop just fine, but when shifting fast, I still don't have the timing down to make everything silky smooth because the friction point is so weird.
This can all be fixed apparently. A few wrenches and hanging upside down in the footwell for a half hour and it'll be fixed. I'll probably do it today.
Cool. The friction point at the top is good and bad, right? It can make launching strange, but your shifts faster, since you don't have to put the pedal all the way to the floor to get the clutch to engage.
Here's a question for you about the gas pedal. If you rest your foot on it, not pressing, do the revs shoot up or stay relatively flat?
Open the window. I need more BReeZe in here.
I had a dream last night that I drove your BRZ. In Kansas. And then I got mad since my family and friends were in Germany and I wasn't.
There, new signature. Is that better? I'll update it with one of my own pics once i get something good :lol:
Are those wheels an option?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on July 23, 2012, 08:48:36 AM
Damn that looks really good
I still can't get past those wheels though
But that shiz looks awesome
Any wheel suggestions? What would you put on it?
I'm thinking about using these are my winter wheels, and running BBS wheels for my summer setup.
Quote from: Raza on July 23, 2012, 08:53:59 AM
Cool. The friction point at the top is good and bad, right? It can make launching strange, but your shifts faster, since you don't have to put the pedal all the way to the floor to get the clutch to engage.
Here's a question for you about the gas pedal. If you rest your foot on it, not pressing, do the revs shoot up or stay relatively flat?
No, the friction at the top is always bad. The Miata's was right off the floor, so I got in the habit of getting back on the gas right after engagement, but probably a hair before it was completely out. Now, it's the opposite, where I don't really have to punch it all the way to the floor. I'm already in the habit of it, but I keep getting on the gas just barely before I'm completely engaged again. Keep getting a quick little jerk when I'm trying to shift fast. In the miata, I was buttery smooth every time with quick shifts.
It's all adjustable apparently. Just need to spend the time to get it right (friction point at the right spot, but clutch is fully engaged when the clutch pedal is all the way out, and completely disengaged when the pedal is all the way in). I'll report back when I get it done.
I'm working from home today because the power was out at work. I'm about to go pick up a prescription from the Dr. That's about 4 miles away :devil: It'll be a fun drive back.
Mike, get some RPF1's for your BRZZZ. :praise:
I don't think a spoke-y BBS wheel would suit this car very well.
Generic as heck, but I think a nice Rota Slipstream or similar would suit it very nicely.
(http://www.steveandlee.com/galleries/miata/paint/paint_7weeks_3.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
Are those wheels an option?
Nope, stock across the board for both BRZ trim levels, and the one trim level for FR-S's. BTW, the only reason I mentioned the guy that loved my car was black because I thought it might be you. I was in NE Ohio, so I figured there was a chance. You didn't happen to hang out the window of an Oldsmobile hooptie and give some bad ass in a blue BRZ a big thumbs up, did you? :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on July 23, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Mike, get some RPF1's for your BRZZZ. :praise:
I think there's a guy on the forum with gold RPF1's on a blue BRZ. let me check.
(http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/brz/IMG_1055.jpg)
Maybe gunmetal would look better.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2012, 12:55:57 PM
I don't think a spoke-y BBS wheel would suit this car very well.
Generic as heck, but I think a nice Rota Slipstream or similar would suit it very nicely.
(http://www.steveandlee.com/galleries/miata/paint/paint_7weeks_3.jpg)
Not a big 5-spoke anything fan. I've always been a BBS fanatic. They make the best looking things out there. Let me find some pictures real quick.
This is pretty nice too:
(http://subarunewsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/AY0F4821.jpg)
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/601640_10150932601024223_1636637203_n.jpg)
These in gun metal?
Not really feeling it but I've never been a fan of those BBS wheels anyways. I think the STI wheels I posted in gold or gunmetal would be cooler.
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 12:56:47 PM
Nope, stock across the board for both BRZ trim levels, and the one trim level for FR-S's. BTW, the only reason I mentioned the guy that loved my car was black because I thought it might be you. I was in NE Ohio, so I figured there was a chance. You didn't happen to hang out the window of an Oldsmobile hooptie and give some bad ass in a blue BRZ a big thumbs up, did you? :lol:
LOLOL, where at in NE Ohio?
(And I have already seen a BRZ in person....and I was underwhelmed. I'm sorry)
BBS will be expensive.
CR Kai in gold.
Im sure someone can change colors around here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/spiller/0-34456200-1338192218_1114.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on July 23, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
Not really feeling it but I've never been a fan of those BBS wheels anyways. I think the STI wheels I posted in gold or gunmetal would be cooler.
Those are pretty cool too. You're right, I think I like those better actually. I could probably pick up some used ones cheap maybe too? I think I've got a subaru performance catalog around here too from the dealer. I'll e-mail and see how much new they charge. My guy will pass on anything at whatever it costs the dealer to get them :praise:
What about these?
(http://i.imgur.com/ISfLO.jpg)
(http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/parts/000/004/491/012/4491012/p1.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on July 23, 2012, 01:03:59 PM
BBS will be expensive.
CR Kai in gold.
Im sure someone can change colors around here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/spiller/0-34456200-1338192218_1114.jpg)
That's really, really, really hot.
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:06:57 PM
Those are pretty cool too. You're right, I think I like those better actually. I could probably pick up some used ones cheap maybe too? I think I've got a subaru performance catalog around here too from the dealer. I'll e-mail and see how much new they charge. My guy will pass on anything at whatever it costs the dealer to get them :praise:
What about these?
(http://i.imgur.com/ISfLO.jpg)
Hideous.
A guy at the Yaris forum has a similar wheel on his sedan. Looks good on anything, IMO.
Fuck it, get these Mike:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/etfqjo.jpg)
You know it's the right thing to do.
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
LOLOL, where at in NE Ohio?
(And I have already seen a BRZ in person....and I was underwhelmed. I'm sorry)
Off 76, somewhere between Akron and Youngstown I think.
What color?
PF01's:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7324887662_c98e30907a_b.jpg)
TE37's would look cool too, but please don't spend $5k on wheels for your car.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2012/07/2013-scion-fr-s-wheel-selection-conundrum.html
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:09:52 PM
Off 76, somewhere between Akron and Youngstown I think.
What color?
Too far east. Between Akron and Youngstown is like a 75 mile distance.....but there's nothing of interest out there anyways.
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/601640_10150932601024223_1636637203_n.jpg)
These in gun metal?
Those. Get THOSE.
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
Not a big 5-spoke anything fan. I've always been a BBS fanatic. They make the best looking things out there. Let me find some pictures real quick.
BBS and BBS type wheels look good on any car.
Those RPF1s or whatever look like winter wheels.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 23, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2012/07/2013-scion-fr-s-wheel-selection-conundrum.html
There's tons of options. Insideline guys are just lazy bums who can't use google :lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/601640_10150932601024223_1636637203_n.jpg)
These in gun metal?
Yes.
Quote from: Raza on July 23, 2012, 01:16:37 PM
BBS and BBS type wheels look good on any car.
Those RPF1s or whatever look like winter wheels.
RPF1's = winter wheels? :wtf:
(http://daliracing.com/v666-5/catalog/x-images-more/enkei-rpf1-installed-silver-nsx-01.jpg)
(http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=viewimage&img=681332)
(http://www.prwheels.com/ftp/predator1.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
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These in gun metal?
Or these in that Subaru WRC gold?
Quote from: 2o6 on July 23, 2012, 12:55:57 PM
I don't think a spoke-y BBS wheel would suit this car very well.
Generic as heck, but I think a nice Rota Slipstream or similar would suit it very nicely.
(http://www.steveandlee.com/galleries/miata/paint/paint_7weeks_3.jpg)
I vote for those, but in gold.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 23, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
RPF1's = winter wheels? :wtf:
Maybe winter wheels wasn't the right description, but they look like cheap generic wheels that you get from a Sears tire center.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1753206#msg1753206 date=1343070997
BBS and BBS type wheels look good on any car.
Depends on the color of the car for me. Dark colors like black or blue look great with them. But I don't think they look good on red cars.
Of all the wheels that've been posted I like the stock ones the best. :huh:
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
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These in gun metal?
I have a feeling you're going to lose some turning circle there
Stock for three seasons.
Cheap alloys/steelies for winter.
Quote from: 68_427 on July 23, 2012, 01:03:59 PM
BBS will be expensive.
CR Kai in gold.
Im sure someone can change colors around here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/spiller/0-34456200-1338192218_1114.jpg)
I've always wanted those wheels
Oh lawd. This thing is RIDICULOUS. So loud over 4k rpm. There's a sound induction tube running into the cabin. Sounds great.
It's faster than I remember too. It's geared so much longer than the miata was, that hitting redline in second is too fast for anything but highways already :mask:
I also just sat down and actually read some of the owner's manual. Apparently my alarm system isn't activated, and I can also turn on a shift buzz when I near redline, an upshift light for fuel economy, along with a gear indicator in the digital read out. Rad. :rockon:
Shift buzzer!!!! Sound induction!!!! BReeZe!!!
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
Oh lawd. This thing is RIDICULOUS. So loud over 4k rpm. There's a sound induction tube running into the cabin. Sounds great.
It's faster than I remember too. It's geared so much longer than the miata was, that hitting redline in second is too fast for anything but highways already :mask:
I also just sat down and actually read some of the owner's manual. Apparently my alarm system isn't activated, and I can also turn on a shift buzz when I near redline, an upshift light for fuel economy, along with a gear indicator in the digital read out. Rad. :rockon:
I wouldn't consider any car that can't hit 60 in 2nd gear to be geared "tall" (IIRC, the BRZ/FRS taps out at like 58 mph in 2nd). Although looking it up, Miatas are geared shorter in 2nd than I remembered. They barely crack 50 mph, so that is a pretty big step up in gearing. Although some of that is because the BRZ has an extra 600 or so RPM to play with. It would only be doing 53-54 mph in 2nd if it had the same redline as the Miata.
Quote from: MX793 on July 23, 2012, 05:50:39 PM
I wouldn't consider any car that can't hit 60 in 2nd gear to be geared "tall" (IIRC, the BRZ/FRS taps out at like 58 mph in 2nd). Although looking it up, Miatas are geared shorter in 2nd than I remembered. They barely crack 50 mph, so that is a pretty big step up in gearing. Although some of that is because the BRZ has an extra 600 or so RPM to play with. It would only be doing 53-54 mph in 2nd if it had the same redline as the Miata.
Yeah, I realize that. It's not geared really tall in general, but compared to the miata it feels that way.
Btw, since we were all talking about tint for so long. Stock, the BRZ has 75% tint on windshield, 70% on the rest.
Real ballers run 5% tint
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
It's faster than I remember too. It's geared so much longer than the miata was, that hitting redline in second is too fast for anything but highways already :mask:
That would piss me off. I like banging off a few redline shifts on my way to the speed limit :lol:
Sounds like a barrel full of monkeys, otherwise.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZmPNi.jpg)
Ok, question. Orange markers on the fenders: replace them with clear lens, with bulbs that light up orange? Yay or nay?
(http://i.imgur.com/MDbb4.jpg)
Now the fun begins :praise:
Dude, Accent has factory clear side markers. :praise:
Needs moar low
Can you remove that plastic loaf from the grille?
It'll make collisions more costly, but you'll get more collisions with ladies, if you know what I mean... :winkguy:
...and by collisions I mean accidents related to texting while driving.
Yeah, remove bumper, and I'll build a roo bar for it.
I think replacing the orange markers with clear is a good idea.
Quote from: r0tor on July 23, 2012, 07:13:42 PM
Needs moar low
Meh, just a bad angle. Looks pretty low in person. That's holding the phone down low to take the picture. You stand way over the top of it.
Quote from: Laconian on July 23, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Can you remove that plastic loaf from the grille?
It'll make collisions more costly, but you'll get more collisions with ladies, if you know what I mean... :winkguy:
...and by collisions I mean accidents related to texting while driving.
You mean the MUSTACHE?! NEVER SHAVE THE MUSTACHE!
...ladies love a good mustache ride :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on July 23, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
I think replacing the orange markers with clear is a good idea.
No. Black.
Def get the clear markers. Gotta order a set for The G8 also.
Spent some time tonight adjusting clutch. Now it feels better :praise:
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
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These in gun metal?
Yesyes
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
Spent some time tonight adjusting clutch. Now it feels better :praise:
I need to adjust Harley's clutch the opposite way from yours. I want clutch disengagement with two fingers @ 1/3rd travel. But you may incur less throwing bearing wear.
944 clutch also like that. Sucks. Want better.
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 06:57:03 PM
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Ok, question. Orange markers on the fenders: replace them with clear lens, with bulbs that light up orange? Yay or nay?
Smoke them out.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WzRjvpsOL.jpg)
Please don't.
Not stupidly dark. Just tastefully.
Rattle can paint on a nice new car is never in good taste. Get an old J body if that's what you want to do.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 23, 2012, 10:43:40 PM
Rattle can paint on a nice new car is never in good taste. Get an old J body if that's what you want to do.
lol Right, because properly applying VHT or some similar product to a plastic marker light is going to catastrophically ruin his entire paint job and blow his engine up. How could I forget. :rolleyes:
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 23, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
lol Right, because properly applying VHT or some similar product to a plastic marker light is going to catastrophically ruin his entire paint job and blow his engine up. How could I forget. :rolleyes:
No, I just don't like it.
I wish you guys with nice cars would stay out of the Autozone accessories aisle. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 23, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
lol Right, because properly applying VHT or some similar product to a plastic marker light is going to catastrophically ruin his entire paint job and blow his engine up. How could I forget. :rolleyes:
No, it'll just look like crap.
Besides, I see no point in giving the nice officer an ever present excuse to pull you over.
I would never tint my headlights or tail lights (okay, maybe the tail lights a LITTLE), but I'd have no problem doing my side markers if I thought it'd look right. And when not over-done, it can look good.
Bonneville has factory tinted headlights. :COOLASFUCKYO:
Get da amberlamps
I've seen guys with the smoked corners. Looks pretty stupid I think :lol:
The light output is reduced so dramatically that it looks really amateur I think. If you can do it just ever so slightly, it won't look bad. As for now though, just the clear corners will work.
Btw, quick report on gas mileage:
Life of the car puts me around 31 mpg right now, which I think is really good. Navigation system tells me I'm around 34-35 mpg on the highway, and 28-29 mpg in the city. If I set the cruise control at 65 mph, instantaneous mpg puts me around 41 or 42 :mask: It's still like Christmas in my mind. I look forward to going to sleep every night so I can wake up and drive it. It's hands down the ultimate daily driver under $60k in my mind. Only thing that would be better would maybe be an M3, but those are so far out of my price range, it doesn't matter.
I'm liking the blue more and more. I parked next to my friends new Mazda3 sedan in bright blue this weekend. I was thinking they'd be about the same shade. Not even close. His has a pearlescent teal tint to it. A lot more green in his color. I'm parked next to a blue civic Si at work right now, and his is the same way. This world rally blue just looks like pure blue. No teal or purple to it at all. It ranks right up there with Mazda's Winning Blue and Nissan's Daytona Blue as my favorite shade.
Here's what I'll be buying this week:
-Clear corners
-LED bulbs for the interior
-JDM wrapped knee pads for the console and doors
I also decided I want this car off my books ASAP. I don't want to keep this loan at all, even though the payments are small. So I'm hoping to have this all paid off in 6-8 months is the goal.
There's no such thing as tasteful smoking, it always looks retarded.
Also get cool rimz before salt time.
Also whatever happened to magic ultra coating this thing?
Yeah, what's the wheel/tire plan?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 24, 2012, 08:25:51 AM
There's no such thing as tasteful smoking, it always looks retarded.
Also get cool rimz before salt time.
Also whatever happened to magic ultra coating this thing?
I detailed it myself, and it came out really really good actually. Shockingly good. I thought it was going to look like garbage, but I dove in, bought a random orbital buffer. I wash, clay bared, polished, and waxed it myself. For now, I'm just going to continue doing it. Whole lot cheaper, and I doubt it'll look any better if at all.
As for wheels, right now I'm just riding the stock wheels until I decide what to do. Either I'll get winter wheels this fall, or put snow tires on the stock ones. I got some time to decide.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2012, 08:52:47 AM
I detailed it myself, and it came out really really good actually. Shockingly good. I thought it was going to look like garbage, but I dove in, bought a random orbital buffer. I wash, clay bared, polished, and waxed it myself. For now, I'm just going to continue doing it. Whole lot cheaper, and I doubt it'll look any better if at all.
As for wheels, right now I'm just riding the stock wheels until I decide what to do. Either I'll get winter wheels this fall, or put snow tires on the stock ones. I got some time to decide.
I think it'll look better if you put winter tires on your stock wheels and get new wheels, but if you add width (which I think the car needs visually) and change offset I think you'd lose some feel/chuckability.
Eh, a little. I'm not going to try and go 245s or anything. Mostly just something with more aggressive compound than anything else. Probably 225s.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2012, 09:10:26 AM
Eh, a little. I'm not going to try and go 245s or anything. Mostly just something with more aggressive compound than anything else. Probably 225s.
I'd go wider, but with less sticky rubber. More tail out fun.
My car has factory smoked taillights. It looks good, but it's a lot less extreme than you see on aftermarket cars.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 24, 2012, 09:39:50 AM
I'd go wider, but with less sticky rubber. More tail out fun.
Why bother going wider if you want less grip :confused:
235s with really high performance summer tires on this thing will be nuts. It pulls .92 g's already on these crappy tires. 1 g is obtainable :rockon:
Two words.
Stretch. Poke.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
Why bother going wider if you want less grip :confused:
235s with really high performance summer tires on this thing will be nuts. It pulls .92 g's already on these crappy tires. 1 g is obtainable :rockon:
I think you should leave the tires as is. That's what makes this car fun isn't it? The balance they struck between grip and handling?
Grip isn't the antonym of handling. There isn't two ends of the spectrum of grip and "handling" and the car is great because it falls perfectly in the middle.
High limits are really really fun. The handling of the car is what makes it great. Being able to control it when you exceed the limits of grip is just a byproduct of the great balance and suspension tuning of it.
Quote from: MrH on July 24, 2012, 11:27:41 AM
Grip isn't the antonym of handling. There isn't two ends of the spectrum of grip and "handling" and the car is great because it falls perfectly in the middle.
High limits are really really fun. The handling of the car is what makes it great. Being able to control it when you exceed the limits of grip is just a byproduct of the great balance and suspension tuning of it.
The great thing about the car that everyone raves about, including you, is that you can reach the limits without landing yourself in jail. By raising the limits, you no longer have that.
Get the cheapest, narrowest generic brand all seasons at Walmart.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 24, 2012, 12:31:49 PM
Get the cheapest, narrowest generic brand all seasons at Walmart.
Yes!
It's easier to hold a slide at 50 mph than 100 mph. My Focus is almost less fun with Bridgestone Potenza RE760s.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 24, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
The great thing about the car that everyone raves about, including you, is that you can reach the limits without landing yourself in jail. By raising the limits, you no longer have that.
No. I ranted and raved about how controllable it was at the limit. I still have that balance with stickier tires. Might break away a little more sudden, but power sliding through every single corner isn't synonymous with fun. Being able to power slide it so easily is just an after effect of making a vehicle so sorted out to begin with.
Quote from: SVT666 on July 24, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
The great thing about the car that everyone raves about, including you, is that you can reach the limits without landing yourself in jail. By raising the limits, you no longer have that.
Truth. This is the thing that made the MX-5 so popular for so long. And when you start making one "better" you lose this. Trust me, I know.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 24, 2012, 02:03:32 PM
It's easier to hold a slide at 50 mph than 100 mph. My Focus is almost less fun with Bridgestone Potenza RE760s.
The other day, I tried to swing the tail out during a U-turn, and all I got was a little itty bitty tire squeak.
Quote from: Rupert on July 24, 2012, 02:22:10 PM
The other day, I tried to swing the tail out during a U-turn, and all I got was a little itty bitty tire squeak.
I did that once in the BMW. It was the only time I've gotten those tires to smoke. :praise:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 24, 2012, 12:31:49 PM
Get the cheapest, narrowest generic brand all seasons at Walmart.
Sooo, basically what Ford puts on the V6 Mustang from the factory....
Quote from: Rupert on July 24, 2012, 02:22:10 PM
The other day, I tried to swing the tail out during a U-turn, and all I got was a little itty bitty tire squeak.
I do that all the time when I make a U-turn. Except in my case I get some tail-out dorifto action. :praise:
I for serious want to drive one of the babies.
Quote from: thecarnut on July 24, 2012, 04:16:37 PM
I do that all the time when I make a U-turn. Except in my case I get some tail-out dorifto action. :praise:
Yeah, this was the first time with these tires. It was from a stop, but still.
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:wub:
I've seen two FRSSSSSSSSs in Puerto Rico this week. Que son muy agradables!
I keep watching FRS/BRZ and MX-5 videos, and I can't decide which one I'd get.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 25, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
I keep watching FRS/BRZ and MX-5 videos, and I can't decide which one I'd get.
Having owned both, it shouldn't even be question.
Yeah. It depends on whether you want people thinking that you're gay or thinking that you're a lesbian.
:lol:
:lol:
Quote from: MrH on July 25, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
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:wub:
You should start using tire shine, too. It would put in a whole new world of sick-looking.
(http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/wcsstore/CVWEB/staticproductimage//N3308/large/10048713_mgr_g15524_pri_larg.jpg)
Quote from: Raza on July 26, 2012, 07:51:47 AM
Yeah. It depends on whether you want people thinking that you're gay or thinking that you're a lesbian.
:lol:
Not sure if the lesbian thing applies to Scion... maybe just ghey
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 26, 2012, 09:31:41 AM
You should start using tire shine, too. It would put in a whole new world of sick-looking.
(http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/wcsstore/CVWEB/staticproductimage//N3308/large/10048713_mgr_g15524_pri_larg.jpg)
Tire shine? That shit is lame.
Quote from: Raza on July 26, 2012, 09:46:05 AM
Tire shine? That shit is lame.
I suppose that's why every new car has it and every detailer uses it. On a some cars, using just a little bit of tire shine to bring back the "brand new tire" look is all it needs...the BRZ is one of those cars, I suspect. Not high gloss, but just a deep black tire.
protip: don't tire shine motorcycles
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 26, 2012, 10:39:12 AM
I suppose that's why every new car has it and every detailer uses it. On a some cars, using just a little bit of tire shine to bring back the "brand new tire" look is all it needs...the BRZ is one of those cars, I suspect. Not high gloss, but just a deep black tire.
Maybe I've avoided it because the sidewall rollover issue on taller tires. I don't particularly love the look, either.
Yeah, can't say that I'm a fan of tire shine. Rubber is not a naturally reflective material. It just looks like someone smeared snot all over it.
Quote from: MrH on July 26, 2012, 11:09:09 AM
Yeah, can't say that I'm a fan of tire shine. Rubber is not a naturally reflective material. It just looks like someone smeared snot all over it.
That's the original formula.
You can shine tires to just look blacker, instead of all shiny and crap. That's what I do on my car.
Yeah, black Krylon
I hate Armor-All. My Focus was "detailed" from the dealer with that shit everywhere. It's like the Armor-All monster jacked off on everything.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 26, 2012, 02:29:25 PM
I hate Armor-All. My Focus was "detailed" from the dealer with that shit everywhere. It's like the Armor-All monster jacked off on everything.
I hate it too. I'll only use it or something like it if I've got no choice at all. And even then just a little and I'll try to get as much off after that as I can.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 26, 2012, 02:29:25 PM
I hate Armor-All. My Focus was "detailed" from the dealer with that shit everywhere. It's like the Armor-All monster jacked off on everything.
They soak a rag in a bucket full of Armor All and rub it all over.
Armorall is the worst.
Quote from: Onslaught on July 26, 2012, 02:34:17 PM
I hate it too. I'll only use it or something like it if I've got no choice at all. And even then just a little and I'll try to get as much off after that as I can.
If you've got pee in your bladder, there's always a choice.
I like the Meguiars low-gloss interior whatever stuff.
Looks nice, I'd leave it stock.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on July 26, 2012, 03:03:49 PM
I like the Meguiars low-gloss interior whatever stuff.
That's what I use. It's far superior to Armorall. Gives the interior a clean look without appearing like you spilled a bottle of hair gel and rubbed it all over everything in your car.
This car is the best. Ordered a homelink mirror today. Debating whether I want to hardwire a Valentine 1 radar detector next to it. I've seen people do really slick concealed displays within the mirror too.
I need to get started on some of these things. Going to try and order vinyl sheets to wrap the taillights tonight. Tint got delayed all the way until next week now.
Quote from: MrH on August 01, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
This car is the best. Ordered a homelink mirror today. Debating whether I want to hardwire a Valentine 1 radar detector next to it. I've seen people do really slick concealed displays within the mirror too.
I need to get started on some of these things. Going to try and order vinyl sheets to wrap the taillights tonight. Tint got delayed all the way until next week now.
Do this mang:
http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-boxster-electronics/37014-el-cheapo-rearview-mirror-mount-passport-9500ix.html
Quote from: MrH on July 26, 2012, 11:09:09 AM
Yeah, can't say that I'm a fan of tire shine. Rubber is not a naturally reflective material. It just looks like someone smeared snot all over it.
Yea, but it looks like shit if you don't use something. I put the tire shine stuff on and then wipe as much off as I can so it's not all bling bling. But you can't have dull looking tires or a clean car looks like ass.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 01, 2012, 12:51:24 PM
Do this mang:
http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-boxster-electronics/37014-el-cheapo-rearview-mirror-mount-passport-9500ix.html
Meh, too low. If I did it, it'd be mounted above and to the right of the mirror. Maybe a remote display the lights up in the mirror when an alert goes off.
Quote from: MrH on August 01, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
This car is the best. Ordered a homelink mirror today. Debating whether I want to hardwire a Valentine 1 radar detector next to it. I've seen people do really slick concealed displays within the mirror too.
I need to get started on some of these things. Going to try and order vinyl sheets to wrap the taillights tonight. Tint got delayed all the way until next week now.
My Valentine One Is hardwired just to the left of my mirror.
Quote from: Raza on July 26, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
Maybe I've avoided it because the sidewall rollover issue on taller tires. I don't particularly love the look, either.
Sidewall rollover is not an issue unless you're running at 7/10ths or more. Plus, if rollover does occur, the road
very quickly will strip the tire shine right off, reducing slickness. New-looking tires look great, especially on taller tires on trucks/SUVs/etc. It really just depends on the vehicle. However, it is my firm belief that NO car looks good with dirty tires. When I see a relatively clean car with mildly clean wheels, dirt all over the side skirts, and not-clean tires, I know that person is lazy and went through some shitty touchless automatic wash. Those things do NOT clean wheels or tough low-body grime well, and the tires certainly don't get much attention.
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Quote from: giant_mtb on August 01, 2012, 11:49:27 PM
Sidewall rollover is not an issue unless you're running at 7/10ths or more. Plus, if rollover does occur, the road very quickly will strip the tire shine right off, reducing slickness.
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Fuck a fucking live I have never heard a more unthusiast concern.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 01, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
Fuck a fucking live I have never heard a more unthusiast concern.
Wait, my concern or his? I'm not concerned at all.
And, Mike, if you really want to do a good job of protecting your interior with a low-gloss protectant, please do buy a gallon of this... http://www.autogeek.net/128oz.html Yes, it's $60/gallon, but you can dilute it (I do about 2:1) in a spray bottle. Apply it, wait a few seconds, and wipe it dry. It leaves a low-gloss finish, protects the surface, and is super easy to use. I'm amazed with it and glad I got it. A gallon will last you a few years, guaranteed. I use the stuff nearly every day and I'm only 1/4 through my gallon...it doesn't take much! It's also a great low-gloss tire dressing. A bit expensive, but well worth it. :ohyeah:
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 01, 2012, 11:49:27 PM
Sidewall rollover is not an issue unless you're running at 7/10ths or more. Plus, if rollover does occur, the road very quickly will strip the tire shine right off, reducing slickness. New-looking tires look great, especially on taller tires on trucks/SUVs/etc. It really just depends on the vehicle. However, it is my firm belief that NO car looks good with dirty tires. When I see a relatively clean car with mildly clean wheels, dirt all over the side skirts, and not-clean tires, I know that person is lazy and went through some shitty touchless automatic wash. Those things do NOT clean wheels or tough low-body grime well, and the tires certainly don't get much attention.
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My dad used tire shine to keep track of the tire contact patch when he was running the autocross course. If the tire shine was still there, he could continue to deflate the tires a bit and get more traction. To help ease Raza's concern, he had the tires down to 30 psi and was running at like 9/10s, yet the sidewalls were fine. If Radial T/As don't roll over on an autocross course, I think any modern tire will be okay.
My sidewall is 45, it's not like it's super high, but not exactly a rubber band. My buddy tire shined his car once and the traction difference in a corner (tall tires) was insane. When he pushed deep in, the front (it was a FWD car) just washed completely wide and the steering was basically unresponsive. That was the last time he ever used tire shine.
He knows you're only supposed to shine the sidewall, not the tread, right?
LOL
If you guys are driving hard enough that having some shine on the sides of your tires and it's doing something to your handling then you're driving too hard for public roads.
Or you're shinning the wrong part of your damn tires. Or you're fucking crazy.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 02, 2012, 09:27:58 AM
He knows you're only supposed to shine the sidewall, not the tread, right?
Yes. The sidewalls on his car rolled over a lot.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 02, 2012, 09:34:14 AM
If you guys are driving hard enough that having some shine on the sides of your tires and it's doing something to your handling then you're driving too hard for public roads.
Or you're shinning the wrong part of your damn tires. Or you're fucking crazy.
It's only too hard for public roads if you crash.
I sense this thread is now going to go in a very stupid direction.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 02, 2012, 11:12:52 AM
I sense this thread is now going to go in a very stupid direction.
It's 22 pages long. It's time.
Quote from: MrH on July 12, 2012, 01:13:25 PM
My dad's a veteran. I was an army brat growing up. That's why I moved around so much. I actually grew up in California, but try and keep it on the down low so people don't think I'm like Benz Boy :lol:
Hey hey, not everyone out here is like Benz Boy
And congrats on the car Mike
guud FRS/BRZ review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrvhkIivgA
Accent weight: 2467
BRZ weight: 2762
Accent wins by: 295
Accent tire: 205/55/15
BRZ tire: 215/45/17
Accent loses by: 10/10/2 = 0.5
295 - 0.5 = 294.5
Accent wins by 294.5 handling points.
:lol:
The BRZ pulls .92 g's on these crappy tires. It's pretty absurd. I'm thinking about a set of 235s Z1 Star Sports for the track. GRIP AND RIP IT.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 03, 2012, 10:22:51 AM
Accent weight: 2467
BRZ weight: 2762
Accent wins by: 295
Accent tire: 205/55/15
BRZ tire: 215/45/17
Accent loses by: 10/10/2 = 0.5
295 - 0.5 = 294.5
Accent wins by 294.5 handling points.
Just for shits and grins, how about you run the numbers for a Smart car through that formula of yours and see how it compares to Accent :mask:
Quote from: Vinsanity on August 03, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
Just for shits and grins, how about you run the numbers for a Smart car through that formula of yours and see how it compares to Accent :mask:
Accent weight: 2467
Smart ForTwo weight: 1808
Accent loses by: 659
Accent tire: 205/55/15
Smart ForTwo tire: [155/60/15 + 175/55/15] / 2 = 165/60/15
Accent wins by: 40/5/1 = 9
-659 + 9 + C
Smart = 9001
Accent wins by 9001 handling points.
Hey, math is not an exact science.
Quote from: MrH on August 03, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
:lol:
The BRZ pulls .92 g's on these crappy tires. It's pretty absurd. I'm thinking about a set of 235s Z1 Star Sports for the track. GRIP AND RIP IT.
You mean Star Specs? Why would you put such crazy sticky tires on a car you DD?
Quote from: thecarnut on August 03, 2012, 01:30:30 PM
You mean Star Specs? Why would you put such crazy sticky tires on a car you DD?
Yeah, just get S. Drives like Accent.
Damn Nick, that was an amazing review of the GT86.
I really want one now.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 03, 2012, 02:05:43 PM
Damn Nick, that was an amazing review of the GT86.
I really want one now.
Thanks, I know. Too bad you can't have one! :lol:
BTW FR-S/ BRZ has the same cruise control as my 8passenger minivan...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 03, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
BTW FR-S/ BRZ has the same cruise control as my 8passenger minivan...
GET OUT, NOW. :heated:
Guess that means your minivan is practically a racecar now.
gearheads talking about the FR-S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUIo_UMcrVE
Leno runs a yellow light right off the bat. :lol:
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 03, 2012, 02:25:40 PM
Guess that means your minivan is practically a racecar now.
Only if it's a 1st generation Previa S/C.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 03, 2012, 01:30:30 PM
You mean Star Specs? Why would you put such crazy sticky tires on a car you DD?
I knew a guy who put those on his E36. The first summer he ran them he didn't get around to changing them until after the first snowfall. He said it was pretty scary :lol:
I think he got two summers out of them, that was it though.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 03, 2012, 02:25:40 PM
Guess that means your minivan is practically a racecar now.
Minivan could probably waste Miata 0-60....
just for fun
1993 Miata 0-60 in 10.2 seconds, 17.4 second 1/4 mile
2004 Sienna 0-60 in 7.7 seconds, 16 second 1/4 mile
1997 brum 0-60 8-something seconds plus no driver's airbag bonus
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 03, 2012, 04:12:29 PM
1997 brum 0-60 8-something seconds plus no driver's airbag bonus
Myata's airbag doesn't work. Need new steering wheel as the fake leather is all cracked and peeling off..
Quote from: MrH on August 01, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
This car is the best. Ordered a homelink mirror today. Debating whether I want to hardwire a Valentine 1 radar detector next to it. I've seen people do really slick concealed displays within the mirror too.
I need to get started on some of these things. Going to try and order vinyl sheets to wrap the taillights tonight. Tint got delayed all the way until next week now.
Have you been using a radar detector with the Miata?
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 03, 2012, 04:19:40 PM
Myata's airbag doesn't work. Need new steering wheel as the fake leather is all cracked and peeling off..
Get an NB wheel off of fleabay and an airbag cover. The NB wheel feels sooo much better than the weird rubber vinyl chunk stock NA wheel. Plus the lack of weight in the center of the wheel makes the steering feel even better.
Or even better get a Mazdaspeed wheel with a Mazdaspeed horn that will turn off the air bag light.
Or even better, a Momo wheel.
Truth is, that's what a mazdaspeed wheel was with their name on it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 02, 2012, 10:29:28 PM
guud FRS/BRZ review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrvhkIivgA
That camera work was at least as good as Top Gear, if not even a little better. Impressive. And the reviewer is quite good too. I agree with the comment that Top Gear USA needs him. Too bad he's in Europe.
Quote from: dazzleman on August 03, 2012, 09:11:49 PM
Have you been using a radar detector with the Miata?
No. It's really not necessary. A small car that hides well behind other cars combined with being alert, and I'm going on 6+ years of no tickets. I hit triple digits pretty often too :lol: hope Bing doesn't see this thread, his turf is pretty close to me.
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
No. It's really not necessary. A small car that hides well behind other cars combined with being alert, and I'm going on 6+ years of no tickets. I hit triple digits pretty often too :lol: hope Bing doesn't see this thread, his turf is pretty close to me.
Speeding is immoral. Everybody is gonna die.
Already got rock chips on the front bumper :cry:
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 01:00:59 PM
Already got rock chips on the front bumper :cry:
You're one of those guys now?
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 01:00:59 PM
Already got rock chips on the front bumper :cry:
I was reading a thread somewhere else a while ago about this body shop that was taking care of a brand new 911 (might've been a GT3, I don't recall). So after being tracked, the front bumper had some rock chips and the front lip was scraped. So the owner had the body shop bondo and repaint the lip as well as take care of the rock chips. It was like the car was brand spanking new again.
So moral of the story - quit your crying, open up your wallet!
:lol:
Get a clear bra for the front bumper?
Quote from: CJ on August 05, 2012, 01:42:52 PM
Get a clear bra for the front bumper?
Hire someone to stand in front of you car as you drive along.
(http://www.issforged.com//wp-content/plugins/gallery/scion-frs-blog/scion-frs-blonix-m8-forged-wheels_2.jpg)
Deep dish is fo pizza, man.
I'm thinkin STI BBS wheels.
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/601640_10150932601024223_1636637203_n.jpg)
These in gun metal?
Just get those.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 05, 2012, 01:11:01 PM
You're one of those guys now?
Its phase two of "new car ownership."
The "Oh, no the baby has a scratch" phase.
Quote from: CJ on August 05, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Just get those.
BBS CH are actually heavy wheels.
Quote from: Raza on August 05, 2012, 01:55:27 PM
Hire someone to stand in front of you car as you drive along.
Or, just duct ape him there.
They keep telling me the unemployment rate is too high, but there are so many jobs going unfilled...
Quote from: 68_427 on August 05, 2012, 06:38:47 PM
BBS CH are actually heavy wheels.
And crazy balls expensive.
Going to try and find a set of STI wheels I think locally.
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/fs-oh-volk-re30-18x7-5-5x100-50-offset-w-172033.html
Yay or nay? Crazy light for being 18's. I could get him down on price quite a bit I think too.
Weak offset, but they are legit Volks. And powder coat them gold...
Nay. I don't believe the supposed handling improvement from shorter stiffer sidewalls is enough to overcome the additional weight, fragility, and harshness of big ol' tall wheels. The BRZ is about restraint where other cars go overboard.
:rolleyes: They're 16 lbs...that's lighter than stock.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 05, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
Nay. I don't believe the supposed handling improvement from shorter stiffer sidewalls is enough to overcome the additional weight, fragility, and harshness of big ol' tall wheels. The BRZ is about restraint where other cars go overboard.
I don't buy into the "shorter sidewall" argument anyways.
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
:rolleyes: They're 16 lbs...that's lighter than stock.
Then get 17s that are even lighter! :lol:
I prefer restraint. All 18s get you is more expensive tires and more rim damage.
The only thing I agree with so far is the car and the color, but don't let me discourage you from pimping your ride. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 05, 2012, 07:12:34 PM
I don't buy into the "shorter sidewall" argument anyways.
Well, obviously a 215/75/14 tire is going to have issues rolling over onto itself in hard turns. There's no denying that. But at a certain point, there are diminishing gains. I think around 4" is a good sidewall height for a car driven on potholed rustbelt roads. My Focus has 205/50/16 tires which I think are about perfect.
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 07:04:13 PM
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/fs-oh-volk-re30-18x7-5-5x100-50-offset-w-172033.html
Yay or nay? Crazy light for being 18's. I could get him down on price quite a bit I think too.
NAY. The stock wheels look pretty good. If you can't find something that looks like those BBS wheels, then don't change them at all.
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
:rolleyes: They're 16 lbs...that's lighter than stock.
But the weight of a rim is carried mostly at its outer diameter. A wheel may be lighter, but if it's bigger around it may have a bigger moment of inertia, which is as much a penalty as the weight alone.
But the tire itself will be lighter than a 17" tire.
BOOM ROASTED! :lol:
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
But the tire itself will be lighter than a 17" tire.
BOOM ROASTED! :lol:
Probably not by much. Most of the weight of a tire is in the tread, not the sidewalls. Lower profile tires also tend to have slightly thicker sidewalls.
(http://www.thesmokingtire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/baby-rev-match1.jpg)
Liar!
Alright, how about 17x7 black Superleggeras?
Quote from: MX793 on August 05, 2012, 07:44:29 PM
Probably not by much. Most of the weight of a tire is in the tread, not the sidewalls. Lower profile tires also tend to have slightly thicker sidewalls.
+1
If you look at tirerack's specs, only a small amount of weight is reduced in the tire.
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
Liar!
Alright, how about 17x7 black Superleggeras?
Make 'em gold and they'd be sweet.
I saw some guy living in Germany that took the front bumper cover off his newer Celica and repainted it at LEAST once a month.
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
But the tire itself will be lighter than a 17" tire.
BOOM ROASTED! :lol:
There's a lot more "moment of inertia" in the rim of a wheel than there is in the bead of the tire.
Anyways, a lot of that is a moot point. Get the wheels you like.
You won't notice one iota of "moment of inertia" difference between the wheels sizes..especially if the larger wheel weighs less.
Dub deuces or you're gay.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 05, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
You won't notice one iota of "moment of inertia" difference between the wheels sizes..especially if the larger wheel weighs less.
You might imagine you do.
Met with a supplier on Friday. There's a skin material out now that's has a very, very convincing carbon fiber look to it. Has actual depth to it.
Debating whether to wrap the big silver piece in the middle with it. I could buy a roll of it pretty cheaply, and could probably charge $80-$100/piece to wrap them online. Seems like easy money.
Fake carbon fiber of any kind is tacky, don't do it.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 05, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
Fake carbon fiber of any kind is tacky, don't do it.
Mercedes does it :huh: Look at the new A-class.
http://www.ozracing.com/car_wheels_var/OZ%20Racing/25183/RACING/LEGGENDA/41587.aspx
RALLY WHEELS
I still think Emotion CR Ultimate is the way to go.
(http://www.workwheelsusa.com/media/gallery/10/900_full.jpg)
Gold ones would look fantastic on your car.
That's not fair because giant brakes
Quote from: MrH on August 05, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Mercedes does it :huh: Look at the new A-class.
Still tacky.
Blue Subaru with gold wheels is so played out.
Quote from: MrH on August 01, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
This car is the best. Ordered a homelink mirror today. Debating whether I want to hardwire a Valentine 1 radar detector next to it. I've seen people do really slick concealed displays within the mirror too.
I need to get started on some of these things. Going to try and order vinyl sheets to wrap the taillights tonight. Tint got delayed all the way until next week now.
Escort Passport 9500. The V1 is old news.
http://www.youtube.com/v/KWb6Ff5HzDs&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: 68_427 on August 06, 2012, 02:06:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/KWb6Ff5HzDs&feature=player_embedded
ha I think that thing was flexing when he was revving. That's so tight- I hope the hood looks decent. (You'd HAVE to add some...)
Sounds like a hoover
Why not just do real carbon?
Carbon nanotubes?
Quote from: J86 on August 08, 2012, 10:13:03 AM
Why not just do real carbon?
For the interior? $$$
The real carbon fiber trim piece someone is making on the forum right now is going to be hundreds of dollars.
Carbon fiber trim should be covered with faux brushed aluminum paint.
Quote from: MrH on August 08, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
For the interior? $$$
The real carbon fiber trim piece someone is making on the forum right now is going to be hundreds of dollars.
You can't find scraps anywhere? Go find a yacht yard- any race boat will have some carbon cloth lying around to steal!
Quote from: J86 on August 08, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
You can't find scraps anywhere? Go find a yacht yard- any race boat will have some carbon cloth lying around to steal!
Scrap carbon fiber? You need to form it into shape and put layers of resin on it.
What kind of carbon cloth is just laying around? I highly doubt I'd be able to make a decent part out of it. Otherwise, every OEM would be gobblin it up :lol:
Quote from: MrH on August 08, 2012, 12:51:54 PM
Scrap carbon fiber? You need to form it into shape and put layers of resin on it.
What kind of carbon cloth is just laying around? I highly doubt I'd be able to make a decent part out of it. Otherwise, every OEM would be gobblin it up :lol:
Unidirectional cloth. It gets used to make various parts, such as backing plates, on the sailboats. Every race boat (the big ones) generally has its own trailer with all the toys needed... These guys spend so much money that the scraps that get cut just sit in a drawer till one of the guys wants to make something amusing (like trim pieces for his car). You can buy the stuff you need yourself here:
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=2477
There's zero stretch to that material, and it's anisotropic. That'd be impossible to wrap without wrinkles.
Quote from: MrH on August 08, 2012, 02:02:02 PM
There's zero stretch to that material, and it's anisotropic. That'd be impossible to wrap without wrinkles.
Done it a hundred times (well not a hundred, but that has a nice ring to it :lol:). It's not easy, but doable.
Regardless, the stuff is out there. And then you can say you have real carbon :lol:
It's cheap. Maybe I'll order some and play around with it and see what I can make. Thanks!
IMO, adding cosmetic carbon fiber, real or fake, is dancing pretty close to the rice line...
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
IMO, adding cosmetic carbon fiber, real or fake, is dancing pretty close to the rice line...
Carbon Fiber looks boy racer even from the factory.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 08, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Carbon Fiber looks boy racer even from the factory.
I didn't wrap the silver accents in The G8 in CF Wrap for this reason............
Quote from: Rupert on August 08, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
IMO, adding cosmetic carbon fiber, real or fake, is dancing pretty close to the rice line...
Agree with you there.
I use to use unidirectional cloth in college on our race car. Hreat stuff if you layer it correctly, but 9/10ths of the reason for carbon fiber interior trime pieces is the look of the woven cloth which you dont get with the unidirectional stuff.
There's other stuff on that site that look like it would be better. If i can wrap 4-5 parts a month at $100 piece, I'll just put that money towards the principle on my car.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-report/scion-fr-s-tire-transformation
Hmmm, if I get an FR-S/BRZ the first thing I'm going to do is slap some Pilot Super Sports on it.
Hey look! Big wheels don't help!
Better slalom and skidpad numbers though. I got a really lightweight set of 17s in mind, and will likely run a bit wider than 215s. Thoughts on black wheels on a blue car?
Quote from: MrH on August 11, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
Better slalom and skidpad numbers though. I got a really lightweight set of 17s in mind, and will likely run a bit wider than 215s. Thoughts on black wheels on a blue car?
Yeah, right. I'm sure that 20mm of extra tire had nothing to do with it.
...that's what i was alluding too. :huh:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 11, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
Yeah, right. I'm sure that 20mm of extra tire had nothing to do with it.
Or going from a low-resistance "green" touring tire to a Direzzas...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 11, 2012, 09:32:10 PM
Or going from a low-resistance "green" touring tire to a Direzzas...
Well yeah, but my point was that the 17 Direzza was faster than the 18 Direzza even though the 18 had a width advantage.
That's why i said I'm looking into 17s that are wider than stock.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 11, 2012, 09:44:05 PM
Well yeah, but my point was that the 17 Direzza was faster than the 18 Direzza even though the 18 had a width advantage.
Oh, nevermind then...
Quote from: MrH on August 11, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
Better slalom and skidpad numbers though. I got a really lightweight set of 17s in mind, and will likely run a bit wider than 215s. Thoughts on black wheels on a blue car?
I think they'd look better if the blue were darker, but it'll look better than gold.
Gun metal grey would look better than black.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 12, 2012, 01:05:26 AM
Gun metal grey would look better than black.
:hesaid:
Good point. :thumbsup:
Quote from: MrH on July 23, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
Any wheel suggestions? What would you put on it?
I'm thinking about using these are my winter wheels, and running BBS wheels for my summer setup.
That sounds good
I am against the whole stanzzzzzz thing, but the stockers just don't fill the wells up enough. I would go w/maybe 17x8 or 17x9s to just fill out the corners. And a less ornate design more in tune with the overall flow of the car.
Been seeing these around the city here and there... they look pretty damn good, though again the wheels kill it. Kind of wish they were a little more aggressive, but thats all up to the owner
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 12, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
That sounds good
I am against the whole stanzzzzzz thing, but the stockers just don't fill the wells up enough. I would go w/maybe 17x8 or 17x9s to just fill out the corners. And a less ornate design more in tune with the overall flow of the car.
Been seeing these around the city here and there... they look pretty damn good, though again the wheels kill it. Kind of wish they were a little more aggressive, but thats all up to the owner
If you don't like seeing wheel wells, get fendrr skirts. Don't ruin the best part about car.
Quote from: MrH on August 11, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
Better slalom and skidpad numbers though. I got a really lightweight set of 17s in mind, and will likely run a bit wider than 215s. Thoughts on black wheels on a blue car?
Black wheels in general look bad on dark colors, and I would go as far as to say in general, aside from the matte silver E60 M5 concept. Your blue is too dark for dark wheels in general
I would go w/gold or "hypersilver"
(http://i.imgur.com/DOipT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TyHzk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jDHZg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uYO82.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BNXCB.jpg)
Almost think silver BBS knock offs look the best. That, or gold RPF1's.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8421/7750014460_1714dc82bc_b.jpg)
Thr gold oz on wrb
No gold; too cliche. I like the last two.
Quote from: Rupert on August 12, 2012, 01:07:31 PM
No gold; too cliche. I like the last two.
Agreed on both counts.
Though that design in black, with no polished lip, would be baller. I love black wheels.
Quote from: MrH on August 12, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DOipT.jpg)
After seeing that, I'm not as fond of black wheels on the car. They blend in too much, whereas the silver and gold have more contrast and thus look better.
I think BBS-type wheels would look good, but the last two are too cheapie-knockoffy looking.
Just splurge on CCW rims.
Problem with CCWs is a lot of their designs are only available in 18s and up or otherwise xboxheug
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 12, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
I think BBS-type wheels would look good, but the last two are too cheapie-knockoffy looking.
Real BBSs are so nutty expensive.
I think there's some serious potential in this wrapping of parts. I might branch out and try some STI parts. If I end up making solid money doing this, maybe I can afford the real deal. :praise:
http://www.ccwheel.com/wheelprofiles-display.php?id=LM20
Can get 16"x16" if you so desired. Any f the Cassic or Lip Master series are available in 17"
16x16"? What do you think he drives, a top fuel car?
Bleh... I'd still go matte bronze work emotion car kai
What's the widest width you can put on the brz?
Widest I can fit, or want to?
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 05:48:09 AM
Widest I can fit, or want to?
What you want is of no consequence, what will physically fit??? The internet council will render judgment.
No but seriously, less offset or more meat, stock size is no go.
Probably going 225s.
I still don't understand putting wider Z rated tires on this car when it's the lower limits that make this car so much fun. When you start improving the traction and handling, you start raising the limits, and when you start raising the limits, you raise the "fun" threshold.
Here we go again with the "only crappy cars are fun" argument...
Quote from: SVT666 on August 14, 2012, 09:21:15 AM
I still don't understand putting wider Z rated tires on this car when it's the lower limits that make this car so much fun. When you start improving the traction and handling, you start raising the limits, and when you start raising the limits, you raise the "fun" threshold.
Yes. The ultimate automotive indulgence is a Yaris on wheel barrow wheels. Extra long shifter so I can maximize the time I'm moving the lever, increasing my oneness with the vehicle. I will strip it of all creature comforts to make my dedication to the enthusiast spirit known to all. There will be a bonfire with the sound deadening material, everyone's invited.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 14, 2012, 09:22:32 AM
Here we go again with the "only crappy cars are fun" argument...
Nah dude. If you know me at all by now, you know I like cars that achieve supersonic speeds and have big V8s with more than 400 hp. It's just that this car subscribes to a whole different set of rules than the cars I like, so why would someone try to change what it is that made them like the car to begin with?
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 09:24:58 AM
Yes. The ultimate automotive indulgence is a Yaris on wheel barrow wheels. Extra long shifter so I can maximize the time I'm moving the lever, increasing my oneness with the vehicle. I will strip it of all creature comforts to make my dedication to the enthusiast spirit known to all. There will be a bonfire with the sound deadening material, everyone's invited.
After all these years, you still don't know me, do you?
Quote from: SVT666 on August 14, 2012, 09:31:21 AM
After all these years, you still don't know me, do you?
How many times are you going to come in this thread and try arguing about this?
You're going to try and tell me what makes my car more fun (which is about as subjective of a topic as you can get) to me, when you've never driven it.
Just stop.
Quote from: 565 on August 11, 2012, 08:10:47 PM
http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-report/scion-fr-s-tire-transformation
Hmmm, if I get an FR-S/BRZ the first thing I'm going to do is slap some Pilot Super Sports on it.
After reading that, it seems like better tires are an obvious upgrade.
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 09:32:23 AM
How many times are you going to come in this thread and try arguing about this?
You're going to try and tell me what makes my car more fun (which is about as subjective of a topic as you can get) to me, when you've never driven it.
Just stop.
You don't know what fun is.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 14, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
You don't know what fun is.
:rolleyes:
Yes, I don't know what fun is. Despite daily driving a Miata and now BRZ. I couldn't handle the excitement of most cars out there, so I tried to pick the most boring vehicles I could find.
:lol:
Cougs is right, trolling is fun around here. It's so easy.
Going into threads and repeating the same shit over and over isn't trolling. Your internetery is weak sauce.
That was bad trolling
And 225 Z rated tires are hardly mind blowing. The stock tires are useless
Bad? It worked. Can't be that bad.
So that blue FR-S With black rims I posted... It makes 324whp.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 14, 2012, 12:18:54 PM
So that blue FR-S With black rims I posted... It makes 324whp.
That must be a snooze fest to drive.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 14, 2012, 12:18:54 PM
So that blue FR-S With black rims I posted... It makes 324whp.
ruined
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 05:48:09 AM
Widest I can fit, or want to?
Many times the look of the rim is drastically effected by the width and offset... so what are we talking here width wise?
Quote from: r0tor on August 14, 2012, 06:50:08 PM
Many times the look of the rim is drastically effected by the width and offset... so what are we talking here width wise?
Usually for the better...
I have some serious considerations for 18x10s for the 8... lol
I'm thinking 17x7 with 225s or 235s
Uhh, your going to want 8-9" width for that
Quote from: r0tor on August 14, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
I have some serious considerations for 18x10s for the 8... lol
(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6644/enkeionrx8.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 07:18:16 PM
I'm thinking 17x7 with 225s or 235s
I would go at LEAST 7.5" for 225's and definitely 8+ for 235s...
Im so tired of rp's...
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/cavemancan/Forgestar%20F14/photo19.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on August 14, 2012, 07:41:54 PM
I would go at LEAST 7.5" for 225's and definitely 8+ for 235s...
Yea stock I had 225s on an 8" and it just had a bit of sidewall stretch and razor sharp reflexes. I switched to 245s last tire purchase and now there is just a little sidewall bulge and a lot more numb reflexes.
Nice, they remind me of the Wedssport SA60
(http://mduece.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/5721024384_c35fbb0161_b.jpg)
Come to think of it, they'd prolly look good on the BRZ as well.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4277809643_237b05c6d4_o.jpg)
Love the sa60s as well... and work emotion cr kai of course but only in wide widths with tons of concave
Quote from: r0tor on August 14, 2012, 08:02:07 PM
Love the sa60s as well... and work emotion cr kai of course but only in wide widths with tons of concave
Yeah CR KAI looks good on EVERY Japanese sports car.
The SA60M ggets that concave at 10in.
My bad. The ones I was looking at were 17x8. A few I'm considering are 17x7.5. That should be able to run a 225 width tire, correct?
ADVAN!!!
(http://home.comcast.net/~olorin2/RX8_Advans_rear_pass_side_edited.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 08:04:31 PM
My bad. The ones I was looking at were 17x8. A few I'm considering are 17x7.5. That should be able to run a 225 width tire, correct?
I wouldnt go less then 8" unless you like the stretched sidewall look... of which I am not a fan
If you like concave styled rims you need to go 9"+
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 08:04:31 PM
My bad. The ones I was looking at were 17x8. A few I'm considering are 17x7.5. That should be able to run a 225 width tire, correct?
Would be close. My dad's rims are 8in wide with 235s, and they fit perfect IMO.
Quote from: r0tor on August 14, 2012, 08:08:38 PM
ADVAN!!!
The Advan RG-D are some of the most badass looking wheels. Or the RZ-DF
Quote from: 68_427 on August 14, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
Would be close. My dad's rims are 8in wide with 235s, and they fit perfect IMO.
MUSCLE CAR BULGEY RADIAL T/A
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 14, 2012, 08:14:37 PM
MUSCLE CAR BULGEY RADIAL T/A
The Corvette is bulgy as fuuuu. But I was talking about his Bonneville.
I love how people get $8000 wheels and then never get
hub caps. Because race car? I can see your rusty spindles and nuts.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 14, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
I love how people get $8000 wheels and then never get
hub caps. Because race car? I can see your rusty spindles and nuts.
Our race cars don't have center caps, but they are race cars.
Quote from: r0tor on August 14, 2012, 07:47:54 PM
Im so tired of rp's...
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy143/cavemancan/Forgestar%20F14/photo19.jpg)
Mr H sorry to threadjack but this is gorgeous
Makes me almost want one of these oil guzzlers
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 14, 2012, 08:23:05 PM
Our race cars don't have center caps, but they are race cars.
Accent has faux carboun fibre caps because sexy.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 14, 2012, 08:30:42 PM
Makes me almost want one of these oil guzzlers
Drinkers or sippers. Not guzzlers.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 14, 2012, 08:37:07 PM
Accent has faux carboun fibre caps because sexy.
Oh poor you. You need a real enthusiast car pretty soon.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 14, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
Would be close. My dad's rims are 8in wide with 235s, and they fit perfect IMO.
I had 245s on
7.5" wide wheels on the front of my old Mustang. Numbness increased in the steering feel and became slightly less reactive to steering inputs compared to the 225s that were on it prior. I had to switch the wheels out for
8" wide and things got back to normal...which wasn't great to begin with.
EDIT: Corrected my wheel widths. I just went back and looked at what they were.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 14, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
Oh poor you. You need a real enthusiast car pretty soon.
I am a trucker. I am a Freightliner enthusiast. I drive the cheapest Hyundai because cars are for dummies.
Quote from: MrH on August 14, 2012, 08:04:31 PM
My bad. The ones I was looking at were 17x8. A few I'm considering are 17x7.5. That should be able to run a 225 width tire, correct?
Yeah but I wouldn't go any wider than 225 on a 7.5" wheel. I'd go with an 8-8.5" wheel just so you can run both 225 and 235 if you wanted to (though a 225 on an 8.5" wheel may start looking stretched...).
I'd go with 8.5" so you can run 255's.
You need to bring BRZ to the dragon. I will bring Accent. It's a race.
I'm probably going to wait until the spring to get my summer tires and wheels it looks like. I'd rather have the cash available right now, and it'll give me some time to save up more. I'll be putting Blizzaks on my stock wheels for the winter. At least my car won't look like a dork mobile when the snow comes. :lol:
(http://i.imgur.com/umH3Q.jpg)
:wub: There it is all waxed up, with the tint on. 35% all around.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 15, 2012, 01:04:38 AM
Yeah but I wouldn't go any wider than 225 on a 7.5" wheel. I'd go with an 8-8.5" wheel just so you can run both 225 and 235 if you wanted to (though a 225 on an 8.5" wheel may start looking stretched...).
Depends on the aspect ratio, but IIRC you can safely go up to 235 on a 7.5" rim. Granted, I don't think there are a lot of options for 235 width tires.
That tint looks great. Dark, but not silly-dark.
These are 235s on an 8in wheel. So you should be able to that on a 7.5in easy.
(http://i.imgur.com/AdCpa.jpg)
35% FTW.
Quote from: MX793 on August 15, 2012, 07:38:03 PM
Depends on the aspect ratio, but IIRC you can safely go up to 235 on a 7.5" rim. Granted, I don't think there are a lot of options for 235 width tires.
Yeah I think it's safe, but I also remember not wanting to go with 235 on a 7.5" rim just because the sidewalls looked slightly bulgy.
But you're right. Ultimately I decided that 225 was better for price and options available. I think 225 and 8" would be ideal. Then I realized I had no money. :lol: :cry:
Quote from: MrH on August 15, 2012, 07:35:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/umH3Q.jpg)
:wub: There it is all waxed up, with the tint on. 35% all around.
(http://www.letsgodine.com/Files/Upload/rice-and-chop-sticks.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on August 15, 2012, 07:35:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/umH3Q.jpg)
:wub: There it is all waxed up, with the tint on. 35% all around.
This twice-Subaru driver approves. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Raza on August 16, 2012, 04:00:42 AM
(http://www.letsgodine.com/Files/Upload/rice-and-chop-sticks.jpg)
Come to think about it, the car
is pretty ricey.
Whats ricey about it, looks like a run of the mill Japanese coupe
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 16, 2012, 07:04:44 AM
Whats ricey about it, looks like a run of the mill Japanese coupe
(http://cdn.lolhappens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Hatersgonnahate.jpg)
:lol:
But seriously, I hate the taillights too, especially from the side like that. So much reflective plastic chrome shit showing through. The lights in general is probably what i have the most heart burn about in regards to the looks. I hate the amber light on the fender. Just looks goofy with blue. Also, the turn signals on both the front and back are surrounded by the taillight chrome, but the bright orange bulb gives it this ugly orange tint all the time. I hate the mix of LED taillights with non-LEDs elsewhere.
I've got plans to make it all look much better and classier. I'll post up some photoshop mock ups of what I'm thinking. Basically replacing all the lights with LEDs to clean up the orange tint everywhere, making the taillights red, and fender lens clear.
Yeah, the combination of LED brake lights with obvious incandescent turn signals is pretty cheesy looking.
Quote from: MrH on August 16, 2012, 08:28:20 AM
(http://cdn.lolhappens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Hatersgonnahate.jpg)
:lol:
But seriously, I hate the taillights too, especially from the side like that. So much reflective plastic chrome shit showing through. The lights in general is probably what i have the most heart burn about in regards to the looks. I hate the amber light on the fender. Just looks goofy with blue. Also, the turn signals on both the front and back are surrounded by the taillight chrome, but the bright orange bulb gives it this ugly orange tint all the time. I hate the mix of LED taillights with non-LEDs elsewhere.
I've got plans to make it all look much better and classier. I'll post up some photoshop mock ups of what I'm thinking. Basically replacing all the lights with LEDs to clean up the orange tint everywhere, making the taillights red, and fender lens clear.
:lol:
Just following up on what Minpin said.
I don't mind the taillights much, but I'd smoke them, like the light treatment on my Jetta. That looks awesome.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/SpinRaza/100_1155apc.jpg)
It's hard to do smoked taillights right. Needs to be really subtle. Most people just make them black and it looks stupid and no light shines through.
This is what I'm talking about with the amber bulbs in the taillights:
Stock
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7791802260_6be0bc60b4_c.jpg)
LED bulb that lights up amber:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7791803814_c6fcaa234d_c.jpg)
Headlights are the same way:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8290/7791820964_4b5223a13e_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8431/7791822534_29465651f7_c.jpg)
For the taillights, I'm going to try vinyl wrapping them first and see if I like it. If not, I'm going to paint instead.
Quote from: MX793 on August 16, 2012, 08:43:32 AM
Yeah, the combination of LED brake lights with obvious incandescent turn signals is pretty cheesy looking.
I agrees. This is just an all around poorly designed vehicle.
Hmm, looks like Lamin-x already has some stuff for your car, but they don't have taillight covers. :confused:
There's been one company to do a pre-cut red vinyl piece for the taillights, but they just cover the back face, not the top and sides. It's difficult because they're such a bizarre shape. I think I can wrap them with one piece and no seam lines for the vinyl, but it's going to require a ton of heat and stretching.
I'm debating whether to keep the area of the turn signals clear still, or maybe tint them amber. I don't want to do all red, because I think the amber turn signal bulbs flashing under red tint looks kind of stupid.
Just switch to a clear bulb and have red turn signals.
The tail lights are so damn fugly on that car it's unbelievable how they went from the concept's awesome rear end to the production version's horrid version.
Ruins an otherwise awesome looking car.
I don't think it's the color (although it doesn't help) but merely the shape and design of the taillamps themselves.
I really dont think they look bad at all. Pop in some clear yelloe leds and I think yhry would look good.
They should have paint matched them or made them red. You should throw red stained glass paint on them.
Plastidip them white.
The lights all look like they were taken off the FJ Cruiser..
In other news, I saw a silver FR-S today. Looked really boring.
Quote from: MrH on August 15, 2012, 07:35:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/umH3Q.jpg)
:wub: There it is all waxed up, with the tint on. 35% all around.
Nice!
The more I see that picture, the more I want sushi. :devil:
Silver does nothing for that car. I've seen a few in black and they looked great.
I can't understand why you guys don't like those wheels. They look cool.
The black/silver thing combined with the thin and flat spokes looks like some cheap aftermarket crap.
Yeah, the wheels are not great.
Also, find out who the lighting supplier is. I will make a few phone calls and have some red ones made for you. ;) :lol:
Quote from: Raza on August 16, 2012, 09:01:39 AM
:lol:
Just following up on what Minpin said.
I don't mind the taillights much, but I'd smoke them, like the light treatment on my Jetta. That looks awesome.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/SpinRaza/100_1155apc.jpg)
Those aren't smoked, that's just dark aluminization on the extension.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 16, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
I can't understand why you guys don't like those wheels. They look cool.
I think they look a little generic. It almost looks like Toyota stole them from an uplevel Corolla.
Quote from: MX793 on August 16, 2012, 08:43:32 AM
Yeah, the combination of LED brake lights with obvious incandescent turn signals is pretty cheesy looking.
That's pretty typical. :huh:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 16, 2012, 09:18:23 PM
Silver does nothing for that car. I've seen a few in black and they looked great.
I've only seen black or white FRS/BRZ's around here for some reason
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 16, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
The black/silver thing combined with the thin and flat spokes looks like some cheap aftermarket crap.
And the fitment is very sunken battleship. Not that I am for hellaflushery, but they could def use more meat.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 16, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Those aren't smoked, that's just dark aluminization on the extension.
Okay, then he should do that.
Quote from: SVT_Power on August 16, 2012, 09:41:26 PM
I've only seen black or white FRS/BRZ's around here for some reason
They look best in gray, in my opinion. I just wish the Limited models didn't come with the spoiler. I think they look better without.
Quote from: Raza on August 16, 2012, 09:56:59 PM
Sucks for him. My taillights are awesome.
The gaps between them and the body are unreasonably precise.
Volkswagen is crazy.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 16, 2012, 10:01:18 PM
The gaps between them and the body are unreasonably precise.
Volkswagen is crazy.
(http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2010/12/holla-490x490.jpg)
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 16, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
That's pretty typical. :huh:
They could have at least put a sub-lens over the orange signal bulbs to conceal the bulb better (like what Nissan did with the early 2000s Altima or Mazda did on the 1st gen 3s).
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2012, 07:32:08 AM
They could have at least put a sub-lens over the orange signal bulbs to conceal the bulb better (like what Nissan did with the early 2000s Altima or Mazda did on the 1st gen 3s).
Yeah, I like that look too actually. I'm considering making the entire taillight red, except for the turn signal area and making that amber.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2012, 07:32:08 AM
They could have at least put a sub-lens over the orange signal bulbs to conceal the bulb better (like what Nissan did with the early 2000s Altima or Mazda did on the 1st gen 3s).
We have an amber inner lens over the new Avalon tail lamp turn signal bulb.
(http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/2012ny2013toyotaavalon-03.jpg)
I'll take some pictures and photoshop the three ideas I have so far and post them up here on how I want the taillights to look. Maybe a poll or something this weekend.
www.superbrightleds.com
Only bummer is how expensive they still are...upwards of $25-30 a piece for a simple brake light bulb. :confused: :mask:
I'd totally put LEDs in my tail lights and front markers, but I'd need $100 alone just for the four bulbs in the tails, not including resistors.
I have vled lights in my front parking lights and rear license plate light... love them
Put in the LEDs into the door courtesy lights (they shine down on the ground by your feet when you open the door). I did the interior dome light and trunk already.
I think I'm going to go ahead and do the turn signals, reverse lights, license plate lights, and corner markers and then I'm done with the lighting. Relatively cheap mods that make things look quite a bit cleaner. I hate the mixing of LEDs and normal bulbs.
Quote from: giant_mtb on August 17, 2012, 11:00:06 AM
www.superbrightleds.com
Only bummer is how expensive they still are...upwards of $25-30 a piece for a simple brake light bulb. :confused: :mask:
I'd totally put LEDs in my tail lights and front markers, but I'd need $100 alone just for the four bulbs in the tails, not including resistors.
Yeah, that's who I'll be using for a lot of it. It's not too bad. $17 per turn signal. I only need one relay to slow down the LEDs to normal blinking speed.
LED License plate lights add so much to the look of a car at night... its amazing
Quote from: r0tor on August 19, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
LED License plate lights add so much to the look of a car at night... its amazing
Kind of afraid they'll be too bright. I don't want my taillights to look dim and have spot lights on my license plate.
(http://i.imgur.com/Sr0sR.jpg)
This is what I'm thinking for the taillights right now. The issue is, there is so much surface area on the top and sides, it makes it very difficult to wrap (think about how much extra material bunches at the crease line when the side wall and top wall meet). I think it's doable with quite a bit of heat from a heat gun, and some serious stretching, but it'll be tough.
I think I'm going to leave the turn signal area unwrapped on the surface (the top side will still be wrapped in vinyl). Thoughts? Other options is make it all red, and just have red turn signals. If the vinyl wrap doesn't work out, I'll end up painting them (great DIY thread on the BRZ forums, and everyone's results are looking really good). I could do the following if I painted:
1. Paint it all red
2. Mask off the turn signal area and keep that clear
3. Mask if off again, and paint the turn signal area amber.
Thoughts?
Me no likely at all
My thought it to leave it stock, and just get amberlamp LEDs for the license plate.
If anything, just do the laminx wrap, since it is easily removeable.
Quote from: r0tor on August 19, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Me no likely at all
Any suggestions then? Some guys have the balls to cut the whole thing open, and paint the chrome inside to black. Looks a ton better, but yikes, that is risky :mask:
Quote from: r0tor on August 19, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
LED License plate lights add so much to the look of a car at night... its amazing
Everyone makes fun of me for it, but it was worth the $6.
Wait for a model year facelift.
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 10:58:01 AM
Any suggestions then? Some guys have the balls to cut the whole thing open, and paint the chrome inside to black. Looks a ton better, but yikes, that is risky :mask:
They're painting the reflective surfaces in the light assembly black?
Quote from: MX793 on August 19, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
They're painting the reflective surfaces in the light assembly black?
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558405_10101691572032917_1996347430_n.jpg)
Some others are doing black chrome.
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 10:58:01 AM
Any suggestions then? Some guys have the balls to cut the whole thing open, and paint the chrome inside to black. Looks a ton better, but yikes, that is risky :mask:
Do not do that. Buy used ones off ebay in a few months if you're going to try something like that. Do not cut your brand new lights open because more then not you'll regret that one.
I also don't like the red tape. Because it looks like you covered the lights with red tape! Just stop worrying about it for now. Car looks fine.
Here's a guy who painted them red. Looks much better I think.
(http://www.lastonehere.com/misc2012/IMG_1947.JPG)
(http://www.lastonehere.com/misc2012/IMG_1954.JPG)
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 11:04:27 AM
Here's a guy who painted them red. Looks much better I think.
(http://www.lastonehere.com/misc2012/IMG_1947.JPG)
(http://www.lastonehere.com/misc2012/IMG_1954.JPG)
That does look like an improvement. I'd be curious what they'd look like if you painted the turn signal area amber.
That looks good in a picture. I'd like to see it close up before I said it actually looks good.
All red looks fine, or just drop in some amber leds
amber LEDs won't look amber through that red tint.
The pictures of the guy who painted it red did a ridiculous process. I'm guessing it looks awesome up close just based on his process :lol:
Prep clean Mineral spirits with nitrile gloves
3 light layers VHT NiteShade Red
3 passes heat gun in between each layer
1 Heavy layer VHT Niteshade RED
Wet sand 1500
Wet sand 2000
5 layers Krylon clear coat
3 passes heat gun in between each layer
2 heavy layers clear coat
Dry for 24 hours
Wetsand 2000 grit
Hand polish rubbing compound
Wax
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 09:32:37 AM
Put in the LEDs into the door courtesy lights (they shine down on the ground by your feet when you open the door). I did the interior dome light and trunk already.
I think I'm going to go ahead and do the turn signals, reverse lights, license plate lights, and corner markers and then I'm done with the lighting. Relatively cheap mods that make things look quite a bit cleaner. I hate the mixing of LEDs and normal bulbs.
Yeah, that's who I'll be using for a lot of it. It's not too bad. $17 per turn signal. I only need one relay to slow down the LEDs to normal blinking speed.
Go for it! I've changed all my bulbs to LED except the turn signals.
Mike, the clear turn lights and having everything else red looks terrible. I thought that was a broken tail light at first.
All red looks awesome. Are the reverse lights in the tail lights or are they down below? My car has red reverse lights (which are actually illegal but whatever) so I would just make sure you're ok with that if that's the case.
Well, that was a shitty photoshop I did, not an actual picture of someone who did it.
Reverse lights are down below. Brake lights and turn signals are in the taillight portion. Figured I'd get some Lamin-X, see how it looks, and go from there.
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 11:00:44 AM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558405_10101691572032917_1996347430_n.jpg)
Some others are doing black chrome.
How did they get that apart?!
Did that guy really put Toyota badges on his car??? This is going to be the next Supra, calling it now. Every one is a rolling rice mobile.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 19, 2012, 01:29:34 PM
Probably baked them.
No. They're welded together somehow (I'm thinking hot plate maybe?)
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 12:54:15 PM
How did they get that apart?!
They're using a dremel tool and just cutting them open :mask: Some others are using a hot knife.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 12:54:15 PM
How did they get that apart?!
Heat up the glue that bonds the lense to housing. You take a risk in fucking them up and it leaking if you don't seal them back up well.
Guys, they're not glued. They're welded. Maybe hot plate welded or sonic welded is my guess. It's not something you're going to be able to bake apart. You're fusing thermoplastics together. You have to cut them apart.
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 01:44:03 PM
Guys, they're not glued. They're welded. Maybe hot plate welded or sonic welded is my guess. It's not something you're going to be able to bake apart. You're fusing thermoplastics together. You have to cut them apart.
We'll I don't know about these. But some are taken apart with heat and sealed back together. I've done it a few hundred times.
Quote from: Minpin on August 19, 2012, 01:02:40 PM
Did that guy really put Toyota badges on his car??? This is going to be the next Supra, calling it now. Every one is a rolling rice mobile.
I'd put Toyota GT-86 badges on it. Scion is a retarded rice hipster girl brand that doesn't deserve tje FRS.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 19, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
We'll I don't know about these. But some are taken apart with heat and sealed back together. I've done it a few hundred times.
I've never seen a tail lamp with hot melt adhesive. I'm not saying nobody does it, but we don't.
We use sonic welding, hot plate welding, and laser welding. All of those processes melt the plastic together and the only way to get them apart is to break the lens.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 02:54:16 PM
I've never seen a tail lamp with hot melt adhesive. I'm not saying nobody does it, but we don't.
We use sonic welding, hot plate welding, and laser welding. All of those processes melt the plastic together and the only way to get them apart is to break the lens.
Maybe headlights are different but all the ones I've seen were glued (at least Mazda ones are).
You obviously have more experience with that stuff than me so I'm probably wrong.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 19, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
Maybe headlights are different but all the ones I've seen were glued (at least Mazda ones are).
You obviously have more experience with that stuff than me so I'm probably wrong.
Headlamps are different. They always use hot melt or some other kind of adhesive.
Headlamp lenses are made out of thickass polycarbonate. It's not possible to weld them to a polypropylene housing.
Holy shit, looking at the light cutting tutorial is scary. :mask:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12312
I would be worried about condensation and shit forming in there.
Holy shit! Not even close to worth it.
Toyobaru owners need to get an old motorcycle to expend their energy onto instead of fucking with a nice new car.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 02:54:16 PM
I've never seen a tail lamp with hot melt adhesive. I'm not saying nobody does it, but we don't.
We use sonic welding, hot plate welding, and laser welding. All of those processes melt the plastic together and the only way to get them apart is to break the lens.
You use a soldering iron with a hobby knife attachment. Clean cutting, if you have the patience.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 19, 2012, 03:27:09 PM
You use a soldering iron with a hobby knife attachment. Clean cutting, if you have the patience.
We have a sonic cutter at work for things like that. It's like an exacto knife that makes terrible noises.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 03:44:33 PM
We have a sonic cutter at work for things like that. It's like an exacto knife that makes terrible noises.
Most people won't have one of those sitting at home though...
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 19, 2012, 03:44:33 PM
We have a sonic cutter at work for things like that. It's like an exacto knife that makes terrible noises.
But do you have a sonic screwdriver?
Quote from: MX793 on August 19, 2012, 04:49:32 PM
But do you have a sonic screwdriver?
I have a sonic toothbrush that I always carry in my overcoat.
Either paint it all red or Lamin-X it all red, then get clear LEDs for the turn signals.
I would hold off, I will bet good money the good folks in China are cooking up a fresh batch of aftermarket solutions
I do like the all red though. Also like the smoke. Anything but chrome.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 19, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Mike, the clear turn lights and having everything else red looks terrible. I thought that was a broken tail light at first.
All red looks awesome. Are the reverse lights in the tail lights or are they down below? My car has red reverse lights (which are actually illegal but whatever) so I would just make sure you're ok with that if that's the case.
So there is no way of knowing when your in reverse in a parking lot?
I'd wait on that stuff. Just relax and enjoy the car. You have plenty of time to go crazy with mods.
It seems this thread should be merged with the rice thread. :lol:
Quote from: r0tor on August 20, 2012, 09:46:27 AM
So there is no way of knowing when your in reverse in a parking lot?
Yeah it looks like more brake lights. :lol:
I'll take a pic tonight if I remember with the car in reverse. Just have to be more careful while backing up, but IMO it's worth the de-riced look.
Uncool grasshopper :nono:
Sigh. So much rice already. :huh:
I WOULD want the toyota 86badges they put on the sides of the front fenders, near the doors.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 20, 2012, 12:36:03 PM
Sigh. So much rice already. :huh:
I WOULD want the toyota 86badges they put on the sides of the front fenders, near the doors.
Besides the taillights, how is the car ricey at all?
Someone's jealous. :devil:
You guys are just jellin' :lol:
New start up screen on the nav system
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10437&stc=1&d=1342328330
:rockon:
My El Camino doesn't have reverse lights at all. :huh:
Neither does the Kawi
My buddy wants the BRZ in a bad bad way, but it is $3000 more than the FR-S in Canada. Bullshit.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 20, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Besides the taillights, how is the car ricey at all?
All the ricing people are doing to them..
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Someone's jealous. :devil:
Quite. I really really really would sell a kidney to get one if there was a T-top or Del Sol type removable roof available...
Yeah, a Supra-style one piece removable roof panel would seal the deal.
Quote from: MrH on August 19, 2012, 10:58:01 AM
Any suggestions then? Some guys have the balls to cut the whole thing open, and paint the chrome inside to black. Looks a ton better, but yikes, that is risky :mask:
They just bake it afterwards?
Yes, it looks better, but you aren't looking at the damn tail lights while you're driving it. Leave it alone.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 22, 2012, 05:14:48 PM
My buddy wants the BRZ in a bad bad way, but it is $3000 more than the FR-S in Canada. Bullshit.
:confused: Um, it comes with a lot more options. Seems fair to me :huh:
Quote from: Raza on August 22, 2012, 05:28:14 PM
Yeah, a Supra-style one piece removable roof panel would seal the deal.
Even if it was a Scion? :confused:
Wow, congrats man.
I have a hard time not drawing a parrallel between this cars fate and that suffered by the rx8.
Both fantastic cars that emphasized lighter weight and driver dynamics over outright power. The RX8 suffered for it's "Low" power, and I think this will end the same way. Still, anyone who really enjoys turning a wheel will always appreciate these cars. Personally I'd save a ton of cash and get a 8 used. Lately though I've been finding the gen coupe really really attractive. Both in price/performance and even a bit in the styling department(from some angles/colors).
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 23, 2012, 07:52:39 PM
Wow, congrats man.
I have a hard time not drawing a parrallel between this cars fate and that suffered by the rx8.
Both fantastic cars that emphasized lighter weight and driver dynamics over outright power. The RX8 suffered for it's "Low" power, and I think this will end the same way. Still, anyone who really enjoys turning a wheel will always appreciate these cars. Personally I'd save a ton of cash and get a 8 used. Lately though I've been finding the gen coupe really really attractive. Both in price/performance and even a bit in the styling department(from some angles/colors).
Damn, where have you been? What are you driving now?;
Also, I thought the 8 didn't do that well because of people being scared of the rotary.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 23, 2012, 07:52:39 PM
Wow, congrats man.
I have a hard time not drawing a parrallel between this cars fate and that suffered by the rx8.
Both fantastic cars that emphasized lighter weight and driver dynamics over outright power. The RX8 suffered for it's "Low" power, and I think this will end the same way. Still, anyone who really enjoys turning a wheel will always appreciate these cars. Personally I'd save a ton of cash and get a 8 used. Lately though I've been finding the gen coupe really really attractive. Both in price/performance and even a bit in the styling department(from some angles/colors).
I think the RX-8 failed because of the MPG vs power and it's looks. It's a love it or hate it car. It also has a motor that the average person would find strange.
I think these cars will do just fine. If my RX-8 got smashed I'd probably look into one.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 23, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
Damn, where have you been? What are you driving now?;
Also, I thought the 8 didn't do that well because of people being scared of the rotary.
Working, then working more. Same old shit.
Still have the Z, the Evo 8, my saab 9-3 winter beater, project 240(ripping apart now) and a NB miata
More shit than I know what to do with.
Ya, the motor in the 8 never helped it and mileage was really bad. Got to love the revs though.
Eh, revs are just a number. The rotary is a fun little science experiment, but given the choice, I think most people would go with a 4 cylinder piston engine.
The RX-8 would have sold better with a Miata engine.
I finally took pics of my taillights on reverse with the Lamin - X.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/IMG_20120824_000552.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/IMG_20120824_000533.jpg)
They just look like brake lights.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 23, 2012, 10:27:45 PM
Eh, revs are just a number. The rotary is a fun little science experiment, but given the choice, I think most people would go with a 4 cylinder piston engine.
The RX-8 would have sold better with a Miata engine.
Most people are dumb. I will never own another 4 cylinder car again if I can help it. After driving a rotary now for almost 3 years I'd never go back.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 24, 2012, 05:45:57 AM
Most people are dumb. I will never own another 4 cylinder car again if I can help it. After driving a rotary now for almost 3 years I'd never go back.
HUH????
Do any rotaries get the gas mileage an Otto engine does??
Yeah, I can't afford to get V8 gas mileage and 4 cylinder performance. Rotary engines are good on the racetrack, but that's about it.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 24, 2012, 06:53:05 AM
HUH????
Do any rotaries get the gas mileage an Otto engine does??
I don't care about MPG in sports cars. But I don't want to turn this into an RX-8 debate on his thread.
I'll just say that I hope my 4 banger days are over with.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 23, 2012, 04:34:15 PM
Even if it was a Scion? :confused:
Nope. I meant on the BRZ. The FR-S would have to come with Heidi Klum or something for me to overlook that terrible brand image. I choose not to be associated with the people that Scion so desperately wants, just like I choose to wear my pants at my waist and not below my ass.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 24, 2012, 01:16:45 AM
I finally took pics of my taillights on reverse with the Lamin - X.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/IMG_20120824_000552.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/IMG_20120824_000533.jpg)
They just look like brake lights.
:facepalm:
Updates: Got pulled over the other day for not having a front plate :facepalm: My coworker did too a few weeks back. Apparently the cops in the little suburb my company is in pulls over for this all the time. Not sure if I'm going to bother to do anything with it or not. There's a bill sitting in the house right now to get rid of front plates in Ohio, so I might just try and wait it out. Besides, I can't find my front plate (transferred my plates over from my Miata). I drove 2 years with the Miata and never got stopped for not having a front plate.
I got the registration done today. I'm probably going to wait until January or February when the new plates come out, and I'll get some with my alma mater on it.
Also, apparently BlueBatMobile is making taillight overlays that should be coming out in the next few weeks. For those who don't know, he's kind of famous online for making the best quality overlays for all sorts of vehicles. I'll wait until he comes out with something before deciding what to do with the taillights :rockon:
Quote from: Onslaught on August 24, 2012, 05:45:57 AM
Most people are dumb. I will never own another 4 cylinder car again if I can help it. After driving a rotary now for almost 3 years I'd never go back.
What's happening with roto-NA anyways?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 24, 2012, 09:35:23 AM
What's happening with roto-NA anyways?
Getting ready to send housings out to be lapped. I can't do too much with it right now. Have trips I've got to pay for first. Taking the woman to Florida next month. Taking two weeks off in oct just to get away from work. So I'll try to work on the motor then.
Quote from: MrH on August 24, 2012, 08:37:02 AM
Updates: Got pulled over the other day for not having a front plate :facepalm: My coworker did too a few weeks back. Apparently the cops in the little suburb my company is in pulls over for this all the time. Not sure if I'm going to bother to do anything with it or not. There's a bill sitting in the house right now to get rid of front plates in Ohio, so I might just try and wait it out. Besides, I can't find my front plate (transferred my plates over from my Miata). I drove 2 years with the Miata and never got stopped for not having a front plate.
I got the registration done today. I'm probably going to wait until January or February when the new plates come out, and I'll get some with my alma mater on it.
Also, apparently BlueBatMobile is making taillight overlays that should be coming out in the next few weeks. For those who don't know, he's kind of famous online for making the best quality overlays for all sorts of vehicles. I'll wait until he comes out with something before deciding what to do with the taillights :rockon:
It seems like you could figure out a way to hang a front plate without any markings. Magnets behind the bumper or something.
I've seen people cut down the plates so it's just the numbers and cram them in their grille openings.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 24, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
I've seen people cut down the plates so it's just the numbers and cram them in their grille openings.
Pretty sure that's illegal, since the plates are government property.
Quote from: Raza on August 24, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
:facepalm:
I actually agree with raza on something
Quote from: Rupert on August 24, 2012, 12:31:49 PM
It seems like you could figure out a way to hang a front plate without any markings. Magnets behind the bumper or something.
There's actually a decent looking mount that hooks up through the tow hook location. Looks good for a front plate. But I think I'm still just not going to bother :lol:
Guys:
http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php
Fo serious. :wub: x 10
Quote from: MX793 on August 24, 2012, 01:06:59 PM
Pretty sure that's illegal, since the plates are government property.
Probably still illegal, but in ID, you own your plates.
Quote from: Rupert on August 24, 2012, 01:37:31 PM
Probably still illegal, but in ID, you own your plates.
I'm sure there is still something that prohibits you from altering a plate. Probably to do with ability to easily identify the registration of a vehicle(IE no body color plates like in car ads).
Quote from: MX793 on August 24, 2012, 01:06:59 PM
Pretty sure that's illegal, since the plates are government property.
Here it would be illegal because every inch of the plate must be showing in order for it to "count" as legal. Basically, every single plate frame in New Jersey is illegal and you CAN be pulled over for it, though unless it's 3am in a big bar/tourist area and they're targeting DWIs, it'll never happen. Every once in a while, the Nazis from state DMV will employ off-duty cops to do "safety checkpoints" and they'll order everyone with a plate frame to be ticketed, which works out to almost every car on the road.
The only exception is an external EZ-Pass transponder device, which is screwed onto your car through the license plate holes.
I got rid of the plate frames when I bought my car to avoid any hassles. I do have an external EZ-Pass on the front plate, though.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 24, 2012, 06:24:47 PM
I'm sure there is still something that prohibits you from altering a plate. Probably to do with ability to easily identify the registration of a vehicle(IE no body color plates like in car ads).
Right, like I said...
Quote from: Rupert on August 24, 2012, 01:37:31 PM
Probably still illegal, but in ID, you own your plates.
I think that's true in most states.
Quote from: MrH on August 24, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
Guys:
http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php
Fo serious. :wub: x 10
Only acceptable choice is matte bronze
Matte gunmetal.
Quote from: MrH on August 24, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
Guys:
http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php
Fo serious. :wub: x 10
That style wheel doesn't look good with a flat face.
That's what chimp said too. So maybe that style, but pinched inwards at the hub, like a BMW CSL wheel? Anyone know of some high quality, light weight wheels like that that aren't BBS CH-Rs (because they're outrageously expensive).
What is your budget?
You're gonna gag, but honestly Rotas aren't that bad.
Quote from: r0tor on August 24, 2012, 01:08:44 PM
I actually agree with raza on something
haters gonna hate
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 27, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
What is your budget?
You're gonna gag, but honestly Rotas aren't that bad.
I agree but I don't think H would go for them.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 27, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
haters gonna hate
You're an idiot for not having reverse lights and if anyone ever hits you while you're reversing, you'll be at fault because that's probably illegal.
Reverse lights are only illuminated when you are backing up, which interestingly enough, is EXACTLY the time when you want reverse lights.
Quote from: Raza on August 27, 2012, 01:53:22 PM
You're an idiot for not having reverse lights and if anyone ever hits you while you're reversing, you'll be at fault because that's probably illegal.
Yeah, so just be more careful while backing up... I don't see what's so bad about that.
It's a price I'm willing to pay and a risk I'm willing to take to get rid of the riced-out stock taillights.
Quote from: MrH on August 27, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
That's what chimp said too. So maybe that style, but pinched inwards at the hub, like a BMW CSL wheel? Anyone know of some high quality, light weight wheels like that that aren't BBS CH-Rs (because they're outrageously expensive).
All depends on your budget man.
I think something like this would look good. the 17x8 is 15lbs
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEDSSport-Lightweight-Wheel-TC105N-17x8-0-and-17x9-0-JDM-Wheels-/270665661083?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f04ee3a9b&vxp=mtr
I'd stay away from anything on eBay that says "JDM"
You're likely to be getting some shitty cast Chinese knockoff like people keep trying to roll on Craigslist.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 27, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Yeah, so just be more careful while backing up... I don't see what's so bad about that.
It's a price I'm willing to pay and a risk I'm willing to take to get rid of the riced-out stock taillights.
Yes, and that makes you an idiot.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 27, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Yeah, so just be more careful while backing up... I don't see what's so bad about that.
It's a price I'm willing to pay and a risk I'm willing to take to get rid of the riced-out stock taillights.
Your state must not have inspections? You couldn't get away with that here. And I don't agree that the stock tail lamps look rice. But to each their own.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 27, 2012, 03:09:45 PM
I'd stay away from anything on eBay that says "JDM"
You're likely to be getting some shitty cast Chinese knockoff like people keep trying to roll on Craigslist.
Wedsport wheels are legit quality as is ravspec as a seller
Quote from: r0tor on August 27, 2012, 03:22:05 PM
Wedsport wheels are legit quality as is ravspec as a seller
Whats wrong w/Wedsport? Better than the likes of Sportmax or even Rota. They have racing pedigree. I don't see the issue
Quote from: Raza on August 27, 2012, 01:53:22 PM
You're an idiot for not having reverse lights and if anyone ever hits you while you're reversing, you'll be at fault because that's probably illegal.
It is illegal. The law in any state I've ever seen requires at least a single WHITE backup light. A red reverse light is as illegal as having any sort of red light mounted on the front of your vehicle (which I saw recently, some dumbass is a riced F150 with BMW-esque "angel eyes" on his headlights, only they were red).
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 27, 2012, 03:36:13 PM
Whats wrong w/Wedsport? Better than the likes of Sportmax or even Rota. They have racing pedigree. I don't see the issue
I was refuting the notion of it being a cheap Chinese knockoff.
Quote from: r0tor on August 27, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
I was refuting the notion of it being a cheap Chinese knockoff.
Ah
Quote from: thecarnut on August 27, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Yeah, so just be more careful while backing up... I don't see what's so bad about that.
It's a price I'm willing to pay and a risk I'm willing to take to get rid of the riced-out stock taillights.
Why not get rid of those tacky headlights and just be more careful when driving at night too?
I've seen tards with red FRONT turn signals or parking lamps around here lately.
The slightly green or blue or purple tint I can see, but what kind of malfunction is it to think red FRONT turn signals would be cool???
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 27, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
What is your budget?
You're gonna gag, but honestly Rotas aren't that bad.
Prodrive makes some decent-looking wheels that would fit, as well.
You guys are ridiculous. :facepalm:
Quote from: thecarnut on August 28, 2012, 12:14:46 AM
You guys are ridiculous. :facepalm:
Because we think that a functional and legally required light shouldn't be messed with in the names of de-ricing...
Quote from: thecarnut on August 28, 2012, 12:14:46 AM
You guys are ridiculous. :facepalm:
its not just for your beenefit: but for mine.
Reverse lights are the number one indicator that somebody is planning on backing out of a parking spot- as a pedestrian potentially in that parking lot i appreciate that: and the absense of back up lights on the car may not give me that same warning.
Plus, its my general rule not to give the cops a reason to pull you over whenever they feel like it.
So I just make sure to double check that there are no pedestrians or anyone coming, or that if cars are present, they are stopped and can see that I'm backing out.
95% of the time I back into my space anyways so it doesn't even matter. Cops have never given me shit about it, even living in California.
They haven't done it yet. That won't mean that one won't notice one day and pull you over. And I'm sorry if we don't trust you to be correct in your driving 100% of the time. I'm almost as perfect as a human can be and once or twice in my life even I've made a mistake.
And stock miata lights look normal anyway.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 28, 2012, 12:14:46 AM
You guys are ridiculous. :facepalm:
You painted your reverse lights red, but we are ridiculous :wtf:
Well, guys, he drives a miata. With the top down, you just look over your shoulder and the edge of the car is a foot or two behind you.
It's not like he's backing up a semi-truck while blindfolded...
Quote from: thecarnut on August 28, 2012, 12:51:15 AM
So I just make sure to double check that there are no pedestrians or anyone coming, or that if cars are present, they are stopped and can see that I'm backing out.
95% of the time I back into my space anyways so it doesn't even matter. Cops have never given me shit about it, even living in California.
Still fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.
Quote from: MrH on August 28, 2012, 06:29:08 AM
Well, guys, he drives a miata. With the top down, you just look over your shoulder and the edge of the car is a foot or two behind you.
It's not like he's backing up a semi-truck while blindfolded...
Yeah, but other drivers are not him. People don't always look. I stood in a parking lot and watched as a Cobalt backed into a moving Prius because the driver backing out didn't see him coming and the Prius assumed she would stop. That shit happens all the time. You're telling me that there's never going to be a rainy day where he's not feeling all that well and just doesn't see something that he should? There will never be an instance where a visual cue to other people that he's backing up will ever come in handy?
Might as well get rid of the brake lights too, because people will be able to tell that he's braking when they've smashed into his bumper.
Who cares? He doesn't live close enough to me to ever have the chance of running me over :lol:
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Yay or nay? For the design at least. Color would obviously not be chrome (I hate chrome wheels).
Quote from: MrH on August 28, 2012, 07:33:25 AM
Who cares? He doesn't live close enough to me to ever have the chance of running me over :lol:
BACK TO BRZZZZ
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Yay or nay? For the design at least. Color would obviously not be chrome (I hate chrome wheels).
Stupidity anywhere affects us all.
I like the design, but it's not my favorite. I like smaller forks.
Quote from: MrH on August 28, 2012, 06:29:08 AM
Well, guys, he drives a miata. With the top down, you just look over your shoulder and the edge of the car is a foot or two behind you.
It's not like he's backing up a semi-truck while blindfolded...
I drive a miata too. And unless I have the hard top on the soft top has some really bad blind spots. And you don't drive with the top down in hard rain. Something that can make your and the others vision worse.
I don't care that he did it. But it's not legal and you can't make it sound like anything but a bad idea.
Not feeling those wheels. I know you don't like chrome but I just saw these in gunmetal on a forest green MKIV Supra. Gorgeous
(http://site.titanmotorsports.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/nero-e92-m3-hre-r40/e92-m3-hre-R40-006.jpg)
These are prob out of the price range, but I would look for something like that. Rota's got something in that vein
(http://www.rotawheels.com/images/products/formula_3.jpg)
In non-chrome, they'd look pretty good. Maybe like a gunmetal would be cool.
I like those Enkei Raijin (BBS CH-R knock offers basically). They don't come in 17's thought unfortunately. I'd much rather have 17s than 18s I think.
What about these if I could get them in 17s?
(http://i.imgur.com/ISfLO.jpg)
Those look great. Pretty much any BBS style wheels will work IMO.
Something else to consider... used "JDM" wheels. Sounds cheesy, but here is a set of 17x7 BBS LMs for $1500
http://www.memoryfab.com/wheels/used/20100706132417
They have a lot of really interesting wheels, generally all high quality too.
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, Subarus have a shitty lug geometry, so I'm pretty limited on what I can get. I really like those BBS LM knock offs on the white FRS though...
O damn I thought they had 5x114.3, that sucks :wtf:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 28, 2012, 08:21:21 AM
Not feeling those wheels. I know you don't like chrome but I just saw these in gunmetal on a forest green MKIV Supra. Gorgeous
(http://site.titanmotorsports.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/nero-e92-m3-hre-r40/e92-m3-hre-R40-006.jpg)
These are prob out of the price range, but I would look for something like that. Rota's got something in that vein
(http://www.rotawheels.com/images/products/formula_3.jpg)
BBS RX-R look nice, but only available in 19" or larger.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/405537_346990735379492_1898640121_n.jpg)
http://www.memoryfab.com/wheels/new/849
BOOM. Might not be 5x100, since they're from a Legacy.
Crappy offset, width, and diameter :lol:
Screw the budget and get Rays SE37A
(http://www.turbosupras.com/images/members/exterior/cin/jza80/RZS04012218.jpg)
And these are the rims I posted the ebay link to last night. Under 15lbs.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8160/7705384522_552760e832_c.jpg)
17s look so dinky. You gonna lower this bitch?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 28, 2012, 09:56:48 AM
17s look so dinky. You gonna lower this bitch?
NO HE NEEDS A LIFT KIT SO HE CAN FIT 24'S AS PER YOUR REQUEST
Forgeline f14 would be good if you want to step up to 18s
Quote from: r0tor on August 28, 2012, 01:39:28 PM
Forgeline f14 would be good if you want to step up to 18s
Forgeline is actually headquartered up the street from me. I have multiple friends who know the owner, I could probably get a discount...
but, they're expensive and I don't think they make F14s anymore. I'm not going to spend 1/4 of what my car is worth on wheels.
Oh, another thing reverse lights are good for...illuminating things that are behind you at night.
Rags, you are a dumbass.
Quote from: MrH on August 28, 2012, 07:33:25 AM
Who cares? He doesn't live close enough to me to ever have the chance of running me over :lol:
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Yay or nay? For the design at least. Color would obviously not be chrome (I hate chrome wheels).
Love the design, would do those in some sort of metallic grey (not matte, only retards do matte anything).
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1771267#msg1771267 date=1346190115
Oh, another thing reverse lights are good for...illuminating things that are behind you at night.
Rags, you are a dumbass.
Most people don't look, anyway.
Quote from: S204STi on August 28, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
Love the design, would do those in some sort of metallic grey (not matte, only retards do matte anything).
How do you feel about semi-gloss?
BRZ needs exhausts. HKS sounds nice.
Quote from: MrH on August 28, 2012, 02:03:44 PM
Forgeline is actually headquartered up the street from me. I have multiple friends who know the owner, I could probably get a discount...
but, they're expensive and I don't think they make F14s anymore. I'm not going to spend 1/4 of what my car is worth on wheels.
Crap, I meant forgestar f14
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 28, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Most people don't look, anyway.
How do you feel about semi-gloss?
Eggshell is a good call.
Semi-gloss? Meh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-6rLVeR2o&feature=b-vrec
interesting debate between the FRS and BRZ.
I guess this is the most relevant thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BJeFB6SRslk
Yay shitty sand castings with nice paint.
Cheap China wheels made with ancient Chinese materials and secret good luck manufacturing processes.
Super Lucky Mart
Cigarettes Beer Lotto Wheels
Why do people who buy lottery tickets never know which ones they're
going to get, and why are they always in line in front of me?
Quote from: 68_427 on August 29, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
I guess this is the most relevant thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BJeFB6SRslk
I think you meant "reberent"
He needs to mount his tires himself like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_PlooZL8u0&feature=related
Alright, which one:
1. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Toyota%20FR-S%20Overlays/IMG_1584_edit-1.jpg%20%5Bimg%5D%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E2.%20%5Bimg%5D%20http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Subaru%20BRZ%20Overlays/brzt1a.jpg)
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 29, 2012, 04:05:00 PM
He needs to mount his tires himself like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_PlooZL8u0&feature=related
You just HADTA youtube.
I ended up here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvjzY0KpIak
There are some CRAZY stuff around the 7min mark, ending with that batman charity guy from the news a couple weeks back.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 29, 2012, 02:18:50 PM
Yay shitty sand castings with nice paint.
They don't sand cast wheels. And there's nothing wrong with sand castings.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 29, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
You just HADTA youtube.
I ended up here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvjzY0KpIak
There are some CRAZY stuff around the 7min mark, ending with that batman charity guy from the news a couple weeks back.
What song is that around 4:35?
Quote from: Minpin on August 29, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
What song is that around 4:35?
Inspector Gadget theme.
Oops, screwed up that previous post pretty bad.
BlueBatMobile has released overlays for the BRZ. Which should I go for:
1. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Toyota%20FR-S%20Overlays/IMG_1584_edit-1.jpg)
OR
2. (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Subaru%20BRZ%20Overlays/brzt1a.jpg)
I'm leaning towards option 1. Put some clear LED bulbs in so it doesn't reflect yellow everywhere when they're off.
EDIT: Here's a good comparison picture
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Subaru%20BRZ%20Overlays/IMG_1583_edit.jpg)
1.
2 with clear bulbs (for red turn signal)
I like the one one the right! Put the Amber LEDs in and you're set.
One on the right. Completely red looks like a blown up toy car.
He makes black overlays for the roof too. Looks oddly really good :mask:
And yellow for the foglights. And he's working on smoked overlays for the taillights. Why did I become such a ricer with this car? :cry:
Quote from: MrH on August 30, 2012, 09:16:00 AM
He makes black overlays for the roof too. Looks oddly really good :mask:
And yellow for the foglights. And he's working on smoked overlays for the taillights. Why did I become such a ricer with this car? :cry:
Do the roof! I did mine and I think it lowers the car visually!
Quote from: MrH on August 30, 2012, 09:16:00 AM
He makes black overlays for the roof too. Looks oddly really good :mask:
And yellow for the foglights. And he's working on smoked overlays for the taillights. Why did I become such a ricer with this car? :cry:
This is how you should do the taillights:
(http://www.letsgodine.com/Files/Upload/rice-and-chop-sticks.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on August 30, 2012, 09:16:00 AM
He makes black overlays for the roof too. Looks oddly really good :mask:
And yellow for the foglights. And he's working on smoked overlays for the taillights. Why did I become such a ricer with this car? :cry:
Probably when you bought it
Quote from: SVT_Power on August 30, 2012, 10:51:10 AM
Probably when you bought it
He's probably always been a ricer, but it laid dormant until recently.
Quote from: MrH on August 30, 2012, 09:16:00 AM
He makes black overlays for the roof too. Looks oddly really good :mask:
And yellow for the foglights. And he's working on smoked overlays for the taillights. Why did I become such a ricer with this car? :cry:
I'd wait for the smoked overlays.
Quote from: Raza on August 30, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
He's probably always been a ricer, but it laid dormant until recently.
here's a throwback...
QFT.
Throwback?
Get the first one.
Quote from: CJ on August 30, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
Get the first one.
And then paint over your reverse lights.
Do you know who makes your lamps? Koito, Stanley or Ichikoh?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 30, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
Do you know who makes your lamps? Koito, Stanley or Ichikoh?
No idea.
Quote from: Raza on August 30, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
And then paint over your reverse lights.
Lol!
I'll be going with option one. Spent a lot last month on my car (tint, oil change, homelink mirror, detailing supplies,extra $800 towards the principle, etc). I'll wait until my mint.com account recovers a bit, then I'll order the LEDs, overlays, relays for the LEDs, etc. I think it'll look much better once it's all said and done.
Then I'll be done for the exterior for now. Moving onto wrapping some parts inside for extra cash, saving for summer wheels and tires, maybe an exhaust.
Still loving the shit out of this car. It's perfect for me. Right size, averaged right at 30 mpg (which is great given how I drive), great to drive. I will say, if an STI version comes out with sticky wide tires and 300+ Hp... :mask: pretty much guaranteed I would sell a limb tlif I have to to get it. Nothing will come close to touching it.
There are turbo kits now coming out at over 350 whp. Id much prefer it all from the factory though.
Quote from: MrH on September 01, 2012, 09:00:03 AM
...I will say, if an STI version comes out with sticky wide tires and 300+ Hp... :mask: pretty much guaranteed I would sell a limb tlif I have to to get it. Nothing will come close to touching it.
There are turbo kits now coming out at over 350 whp. Id much prefer it all from the factory though.
I'll take the hand-me-downs... :lol:
take your time with the ricez. There will be better stuff out as they keep working on it.
Also, I'm going to be taking off the subaru badge tomorrow. Looks way too cluttered, the difference in the font and size compared to the BRZ logo bothers me too. It's also really loose already. Keeping the BRZ and of course the subaru stars :praise:
Test drove a FRS a couple of days ago. Probably the best "connected" car I've ever driven. Not much body roll, no slack in the steering, just turns when you turn the wheel. Wonderful to drive. Visibility out of the thing is great. The suspension system is tight, but it's not harsh - a real rarity in cars these days, so koodos to you Subaru.
With that said, I don't think I could ever own one. The road noise is ridiculous. I mean the exhaust noise is loud (and it's not a good sound) when you get above ~3k RPM, but the road/tire noise is just unacceptable. The interior was never anything to write home about, so I won't bother going there.
I think at the end of the day, yes it is by far the best affordable driver's car. But I'm not sure the tradeoff between fun and civility is an acceptable amount here.
Your thoughts on my take Mike?
Hmm. Still no Accessport from COBB for the BRZzzzz.
Quote from: S204STi on September 01, 2012, 11:00:50 AM
Hmm. Still no Accessport from COBB for the BRZzzzz.
Accentsport? :wub:
Quote from: SVT_Power on September 01, 2012, 10:47:21 AM
Test drove a FRS a couple of days ago. Probably the best "connected" car I've ever driven. Not much body roll, no slack in the steering, just turns when you turn the wheel. Wonderful to drive. Visibility out of the thing is great. The suspension system is tight, but it's not harsh - a real rarity in cars these days, so koodos to you Subaru.
With that said, I don't think I could ever own one. The road noise is ridiculous. I mean the exhaust noise is loud (and it's not a good sound) when you get above ~3k RPM, but the road/tire noise is just unacceptable. The interior was never anything to write home about, so I won't bother going there.
I think at the end of the day, yes it is by far the best affordable driver's car. But I'm not sure the tradeoff between fun and civility is an acceptable amount here.
Your thoughts on my take Mike?
Is it louder than Countour with straight pipes?
I'm used to road noise, wouldn't bother me much. And I like to hear the exhaust somewhat. Wish mine were just a hair louder. I have the STI muffler which is louder than the WRX, but not quite to where I'd like it.
The problem with aftermarket is they go from Not Quite to Way Too Much.
Quote from: SVT_Power on September 01, 2012, 10:47:21 AM
Test drove a FRS a couple of days ago. Probably the best "connected" car I've ever driven. Not much body roll, no slack in the steering, just turns when you turn the wheel. Wonderful to drive. Visibility out of the thing is great. The suspension system is tight, but it's not harsh - a real rarity in cars these days, so koodos to you Subaru.
With that said, I don't think I could ever own one. The road noise is ridiculous. I mean the exhaust noise is loud (and it's not a good sound) when you get above ~3k RPM, but the road/tire noise is just unacceptable. The interior was never anything to write home about, so I won't bother going there.
I think at the end of the day, yes it is by far the best affordable driver's car. But I'm not sure the tradeoff between fun and civility is an acceptable amount here.
Your thoughts on my take Mike?
I likewise was not impressed at all by the FR-S interior. However, the BRZ gets a nicer interior (with a radio that doesn't look like a slap-dash Pep Boys special, which makes a huge difference on the impression one gets of the inside of the car). Didn't get a chance to drive one, unfortunately.
Quote from: SVT_Power on September 01, 2012, 10:47:21 AM
Test drove a FRS a couple of days ago. Probably the best "connected" car I've ever driven. Not much body roll, no slack in the steering, just turns when you turn the wheel. Wonderful to drive. Visibility out of the thing is great. The suspension system is tight, but it's not harsh - a real rarity in cars these days, so koodos to you Subaru.
With that said, I don't think I could ever own one. The road noise is ridiculous. I mean the exhaust noise is loud (and it's not a good sound) when you get above ~3k RPM, but the road/tire noise is just unacceptable. The interior was never anything to write home about, so I won't bother going there.
I think at the end of the day, yes it is by far the best affordable driver's car. But I'm not sure the tradeoff between fun and civility is an acceptable amount here.
Your thoughts on my take Mike?
It's all about what you're coming from I guess. I agree on all counts as to being the best driver's car that's remotely affordable for me (a used Cayman is probably better, but I don't consider that obtainable right now).
As to the harshness of it, I disagree. I came from a Miata. This thing feels like a luxury cruise liner in comparison. I thought it was really quiet :lol:. The interior is ok. Pretty awful in the FRS, loads better in the BRZ. There are some minor things that make it look a lot better. The navigation head unit in my car is loads better, and the manual climate control in the FRS is just parts bin junk. One of the reasons I got the Limited was because the auto climate control area and push to start make the interior sooo much nicer.
I thought you drove a lowered, SVT contour with exhaust? To me, this car is the perfect daily driver for me. I had zero issues driving 4+ hours straight in this. Every comfort item is there (comfy, hugging seats, nav, auto climate, push to start, HIDs, heated seats, SiriusXM, bluetooth, etc), but still offers the best driving experience, all while giving me 30 mpg. I guess if you're coming from cushy Hyundai CUVs, this car will be a bit much for you :lol:
Quote from: S204STi on September 01, 2012, 11:31:21 AM
I'm used to road noise, wouldn't bother me much. And I like to hear the exhaust somewhat. Wish mine were just a hair louder. I have the STI muffler which is louder than the WRX, but not quite to where I'd like it.
The problem with aftermarket is they go from Not Quite to Way Too Much.
Agreed. There's one exhaust right now that's supposed to be really tame. Hard to tell from YouTube videos, but that seems to be the case :rockon:. I'm sort of considering, but it'll be a bit before I dump money into an exhaust. I've got more important things to pay for first (namely snow tires and summer wheels and tires).
The local Toyota dealer has the Scion twin of this car, it's a red/orange color. Been meaning to stop and look at it.
The only way to check for exhausts is in person. On YT there is no difference in sound between the baffle and no baffle on my exhaust. IRL it is the difference between a lawnmower and a helicopter. And its that boomy low frequency range that becomes drone on the highway.
I have done a few exhausts. I think w/more cylinders the sound gets smoother so you can get away w/more. Also makes a HUGE difference if you have a cat. I had 3 cats (two at the header and one after the y pipe) on my Maima and then a straight pipe to a straight through 2.5" exhaust. Sounded glorious. Had pretty much the same setup on my 1st Accord, but w/no cats, and a weak resonator... ungodly loud. If you want more power, I would say go w/some headers that have a 3" outlet, and then get a 3" cat, 3" crush bent piping and a 3" in-out baffled muffler. You will get a little more sound, but pretty much all the performance of a straight through exhaust w/none of the drone. I don't think it will cost too much $$$ either, and you can paint the can black + get a chrome tip to make it look fancy.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on September 02, 2012, 11:58:01 AM
The only way to check for exhausts is in person. On YT there is no difference in sound between the baffle and no baffle on my exhaust. IRL it is the difference between a lawnmower and a helicopter. And its that boomy low frequency range that becomes drone on the highway.
I have done a few exhausts. I think w/more cylinders the sound gets smoother so you can get away w/more. Also makes a HUGE difference if you have a cat. I had 3 cats (two at the header and one after the y pipe) on my Maima and then a straight pipe to a straight through 2.5" exhaust. Sounded glorious. Had pretty much the same setup on my 1st Accord, but w/no cats, and a weak resonator... ungodly loud. If you want more power, I would say go w/some headers that have a 3" outlet, and then get a 3" cat, 3" crush bent piping and a 3" in-out baffled muffler. You will get a little more sound, but pretty much all the performance of a straight through exhaust w/none of the drone. I don't think it will cost too much $$$ either, and you can paint the can black + get a chrome tip to make it look fancy.
I've been watching exhaust videos for Mustang and Charger on YouTube and the Corsa videos are all done in HD so the sound is actually pretty accurate. The other manufacturers' videos suck.
:wub:
(http://i.imgur.com/koqRO.jpg)
Notice anything different?
(http://i.imgur.com/wALeT.jpg)
Overlays are being purchased this week. I'm getting a new camera too, so I'll do a nice photoshoot before heading to Germany for 3 weeks :praise:
It's funny, young guys buy cars and start changing things right off the bat. And guy my age buy them and think "thank God I've not got to do anything to this thing." Only thing I've changed on my main car is the oil.
Quote from: Onslaught on September 03, 2012, 11:45:27 AM
It's funny, young guys buy cars and start changing things right off the bat. And guy my age buy them and think "thank God I've not got to do anything to this thing." Only thing I've changed on my main car is the oil.
I would definitely do tint on a car, otherwise I've had the Miata for a couple months and pulled the center console up to run a phone charger and have a junkyard spare driver's seat I need to swap the speakers and install. Subie has been around since 2008- tinted, put my woofer in the back. Sienna we bought in summer 2009, put a hitch on, is otherwise untouched.
Don't get me wrong, if I had money I'd repaint the Miata (red with white racing stripes and powdercoat the wheels white), do foglights, and some kind of DRLs up front (I'm thinking bright white LEDs in the corners of the turn signals). Oh and hitch receiver for a bike rack. On the Subie I'd maybe go Outback suspension/wheels/foglights on it. Now that it's not my only workcar, I could maybe go a little more "outdoorsey" on it.
Craig posted a thread about it. Didn't want to high jack it.
Black roof actually looks really good on this. I'm not going to both though for awhile. Just thought it was interesting.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Subaru%20BRZ%20Overlays/dyno010.jpg)
Quote from: Onslaught on September 03, 2012, 11:45:27 AM
It's funny, young guys buy cars and start changing things right off the bat. And guy my age buy them and think "thank God I've not got to do anything to this thing." Only thing I've changed on my main car is the oil.
People are always telling me "you should do this" and "you should do that" to my car, but I think I'm much older in that regard. I don't want to change much besides add some tint. Maybe wheels at some point, but that's about it. Why ruin a good thing?
I don't even like tint, actually. Makes the car look ghetto.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on September 09, 2012, 11:13:56 AM
I don't even like tint, actually. Makes the car look ghetto.
Tint is lame, stupid, and should be illegal, with the possible exception for in really, really, really hot states where they have some sort of somewhat legit excuse for tinting their windows. Personally, I say move to somewhere cooler if it's too fucking hot for you. I mean, no one is keeping you in Texas at gunpoint...right? Yet, I digress.
Some people need it for sensitive eyes, too.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 09, 2012, 11:49:20 AM
Some people need it for sensitive eyes, too.
Dr. Dre will write you a prescription for 35% tint and chrome dubs.
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 09, 2012, 11:49:20 AM
Some people need it for sensitive eyes, too.
Sensitive eyes? What, sunglasses don't exist for those people? I have sensitive eyes, I wear sunglasses.
My eyes are sensitive now because I wear sunglasses. I was fine before I started wearing them.
Quote from: MrH on September 09, 2012, 10:58:28 AM
Craig posted a thread about it. Didn't want to high jack it.
Black roof actually looks really good on this. I'm not going to both though for awhile. Just thought it was interesting.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Subaru%20BRZ%20Overlays/dyno010.jpg)
I like that. I think it makes the car look lower.
Quote from: MrH on September 09, 2012, 10:58:28 AM
Craig posted a thread about it. Didn't want to high jack it.
Black roof actually looks really good on this. I'm not going to both though for awhile. Just thought it was interesting.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/Subaru%20BRZ%20Overlays/dyno010.jpg)
You could "dip your car" for just the black roof? removable if you don't like it..
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 09, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
You could "dip your car" for just the black roof? removable if you don't like it..
My roof and the one pictured are vinyl! You can just peel it off like window tint if you get tired of it.
My roof is black already. And it folds away in 8.5 seconds. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this vinyl wrapping nonsense like you fixed roof people. :lol:
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
My roof is black already. And it folds away in 8.5 seconds. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this vinyl wrapping nonsense like you fixed roof people. :lol:
My roof came vinyl wrapped from the factory. :lol:
Real funny........
Factory black roof here :praise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8Cx47ofz8
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg)
DynoFAIL! Chassis dynos suck. That car made no more horsepower than stock. Nobody does it better than the factory.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 10, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
DynoFAIL! Chassis dynos suck. That car made no more horsepower than stock. Nobody does it better than the factory.
:lol:
I don't put much value in the dyno numbers. But yeah, that kind of acceleration is something it can't do stock, that's for sure.
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
My roof is black already. And it folds away in 8.5 seconds. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this vinyl wrapping nonsense like you fixed roof people. :lol:
Mine takes 4 seconds. :evildude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXVqLbRirMA
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 10, 2012, 07:44:00 PM
Mine takes 4 seconds. :evildude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXVqLbRirMA
NC was even faster :praise:
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8Cx47ofz8
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg)
This needs to happen immediately.
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
:lol:
I don't put much value in the dyno numbers. But yeah, that kind of acceleration is something it can't do stock, that's for sure.
Seems like the car had a heck of a time keeping the rear tires from going up in smoke not just in 1st, but in 2nd, and 3rd. Seemed like as soon as the turbo spooled, the tires let go. Saw a guy in a turbo'ed NA Miata that behaved similarly. He could barely keep it in a straight line at the AutoX because the car would fall off the boost in the corners and then spool back up, explosively, on corner exit and send the thing fish-tailing.
Quote from: MX793 on September 10, 2012, 08:31:43 PM
Seems like the car had a heck of a time keeping the rear tires from going up in smoke not just in 1st, but in 2nd, and 3rd. Seemed like as soon as the turbo spooled, the tires let go. Saw a guy in a turbo'ed NA Miata that behaved similarly. He could barely keep it in a straight line at the AutoX because the car would fall off the boost in the corners and then spool back up, explosively, on corner exit and send the thing fish-tailing.
I will take
Definitions of "Fun" for $1000, Alex.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on September 09, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
My roof and the one pictured are vinyl! You can just peel it off like window tint if you get tired of it.
Removing tint usually involves a heat gun, and a razor blade. Not convinced that it's easy to remove, personally. Not that I have a problem with applying it, though.
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8Cx47ofz8
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg)
A bit more power than I'd go for, but awesome anyway.
Seems like ~280-300 would be just about perfect.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 10, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
I will take Definitions of "Fun" for $1000, Alex.
+1
Quote from: S204STi on September 10, 2012, 08:48:51 PM
A bit more power than I'd go for, but awesome anyway.
Seems like ~280-300 would be just about perfect.
That's running E85. I'm thinking 7 psi on 93 octane could be around there.
It'll be a bit before people get something reliable and together for a reasonable price. Hopefully we'll find out the details on the STI by then. I'd rather get it from the factory.
Yeah, ditto that. Even 260 at the crank, in that car, would be mind-numbing. Would be nice especially with a factory warranty.
Quote from: S204STi on September 10, 2012, 08:58:42 PM
Yeah, ditto that. Even 260 at the crank, in that car, would be mind-numbing. Would be nice especially with a factory warranty.
I'm hoping 300 at the crank in the STI. If they hit that naturally aspirated...:mask:
w0w.
I wonder if they would make a run at the S2000 model and just bore that new motor out to 2.2 and rev it sky-high to get even 240-250 out of it. I would assume that's possible. And also awesome.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 10, 2012, 07:44:00 PM
Mine takes 4 seconds. :evildude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXVqLbRirMA
How fast can you do it without getting inside the car? :praise:
Although damn, the NC smiley edition looks so good compared to the dinky looking NA.
Quote from: thecarnut on September 09, 2012, 06:40:58 PM
My roof came vinyl wrapped from the factory. :lol:
:praise:
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 08:12:43 PM
NC was even faster :praise:
How fast does your practical family coupe put the top down? :devil:
I mean, your car is HUGE. 166.7 inches long? What's the EPA size classification, light truck?
My car is 161" long. :lol:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1777083#msg1777083 date=1347333164
How fast does your practical family coupe put the top down? :devil:
I mean, your car is HUGE. 166.7 inches long? What's the EPA size classification, light truck?
My car is 161" long. :lol:
159 inches, bitch.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1777089#msg1777089 date=1347333366
Yeah, but it's like 30 feet tall. :nono:
Only with the top down.
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8Cx47ofz8
Too much turbo.
Quote from: Raza on September 10, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
How fast does your practical family coupe put the top down? :devil:
I mean, your car is HUGE. 166.7 inches long? What's the EPA size classification, light truck?
My car is 161" long. :lol:
:lol:
How fast does your car put up it's torsional rigidity? What's that?! NEVAR?! THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S INFERIOR!!! :rage:
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
:lol:
How fast does your car put up it's torsional rigidity? What's that?! NEVAR?! THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S INFERIOR!!! :rage:
Wait, but who's car actually has a torsion beam with built-in specifically calibrated torsional rigidity?
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
:lol:
How fast does your car put up it's torsional rigidity? What's that?! NEVAR?! THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S INFERIOR!!! :rage:
I looked it up. According to testing by the Sweisskagg Institute, the two cars have the following torsional rigidity numbers:
BMW Z4 3.0i roadster: 5017 torsions
Toyota/Subaru Camry Coupe/BRZ: 2047 torsions
I have way more torsions than you do, sucka!
Quote from: Raza on September 11, 2012, 07:23:21 AM
I looked it up. According to testing by the Sweisskagg Institute, the two cars have the following torsional rigidity numbers:
BMW Z4 3.0i roadster: 5017 torsions
Toyota/Subaru Camry Coupe/BRZ: 2047 torsions
I have way more torsions than you do, sucka!
Please convert to SI units and resubmit.
K thx
Quote from: MrH on September 11, 2012, 07:53:52 AM
Please convert to SI units and resubmit.
K thx
Sorry, Sweisskagg uses their own proprietary measurement system.
Although, they say if you put a vinyl wrap on your roof and rice your car more, you can gain as much as 100 torsions.
More torsions is bad. You want torsional resistance. Your car is a rubber band.
Less torsions = better
At the rate Mike is going with this car he might as well be done with it and get a shocker sticker and a little stuffed animal to hang off of his tow loop.
Quote from: MrH on September 10, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8Cx47ofz8
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg)
Either the BRZ cant put power the pavement very well, or that guy has some shitty tires
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on September 11, 2012, 09:24:16 AM
More torsions is bad. You want torsional resistance. Your car is a rubber band.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 11, 2012, 09:27:28 AM
Less torsions = better
Guys, this is my made up measurement from my made up automotive institution. I think I know how it works.
Quote from: r0tor on September 11, 2012, 09:43:03 AM
Either the BRZ cant put power the pavement very well, or that guy has some shitty tires
BOTH! I think he was running 225s. With only 2700 lbs, on 225s, making 400+ whp, it's going to rip tires up.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1777290#msg1777290 date=1347378232
Guys, this is my made up measurement from my made up automotive institution. I think I know how it works.
Then you totally misunderstood what your imaginary institute had intended with it's measurements of torsions. Torsions is just the result of
Bendy X 525.2. Lower Bendies is stiffer.
Your Z4's calculation is
9.553 Bendies X 525.2 = 5017 TorsionsThe BRZ calculation is
3.898 Bendies X 525.2 = 2047 TorsionsThere you go. BRZ is much stiffer.
It can only be measured by a calibrated bending robot:
(http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/files/2012/03/Bender1.jpg)
Well, I got a bad ass camera and three lenses now. Didn't have time for a full blown photoshoot, but here's a few I snagged washing it the other day. I'm going to Germany for 3 weeks, so no BRZ drivin for awhile.
(http://i.imgur.com/aZmlO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gBqdE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/REDzh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YXGfJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/lv7op.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ir4PV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8qMld.jpg)
What's with the squiggly line on the glass?
Also, FYI for all forum members, I provide free car sitting. That includes washing, waxing/polishing, premium fuel and indoor storage.
The rear lights look good but gawwwwd the stock wheels suuuuck. Visit das ATS Leichtmetallrader in Deutscheland and bring back something better.
What's your setup for those night photos?
Sony Nex 5N + 50mm F/1.8
I meed a 50mm. For about $150 I can get a canon adapter amd their lens.
Quote from: MrH on September 17, 2012, 02:54:45 PM
Sony Nex 5N + 50mm F/1.8
Interesting. You don't find that lacking a viewfinder makes it harder for you to take sharp pictures? Holding the camera out away from your body rather than holding up to your eye? I always look at these P+Ss without viewfinders like trying to shoot a rifle without squaring the butt on your shoulder. Impressive shots, though.
Any post processing?
Sony cameras and lenses have optical steady shot.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 17, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
Sony cameras and lenses have optical steady shot.
Interesting. Maybe I'll look into a Sony for my next point and shoot. I was just going to get the Casio G-Shock camera and give my mother my Canon.
All done in-camera. Used the built in HDR effect some (you set the EV range you want, click, and it'll rip off a handful of picture at different exposures and smash them together....all on the camera).
Steadying yourself is unnecessary when you've got a F/1.8 and optical steady shot :lol:
Quote from: Raza on September 17, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
Interesting. Maybe I'll look into a Sony for my next point and shoot. I was just going to get the Casio G-Shock camera and give my mother my Canon.
This isn't a point and shoot...
It's basically a mirrorless DSLR. DSLR sized sensor and interchangeable lenses, just a smaller body.
Quote from: MrH on September 17, 2012, 03:08:17 PM
All done in-camera. Used the built in HDR effect some (you set the EV range you want, click, and it'll rip off a handful of picture at different exposures and smash them together....all on the camera).
Steadying yourself is unnecessary when you've got a F/1.8 and optical steady shot :lol:
Hmm. These point and shoots are getting cleverer and cleverer. Though I still like the DSLR. But for just being able to pull out the camera and take great shots, that's pretty sweet.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 17, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
Sony cameras and lenses have optical steady shot.
I really need to upgrade. I've got an older Sony 7MP point-and-shoot and it has zero tolerance for shakiness in lower light situations.
Quote from: Raza on September 17, 2012, 03:09:34 PM
Hmm. These point and shoots are getting cleverer and cleverer. Though I still like the DSLR. But for just being able to pull out the camera and take great shots, that's pretty sweet.
Quote from: MrH on September 17, 2012, 03:09:07 PM
This isn't a point and shoot...
It's basically a mirrorless DSLR. DSLR sized sensor and interchangeable lenses, just a smaller body.
This camera isn't a point and shoot.
Hey look: Perrin finally came out with some exhaust bits for the BRZZZZZZZZZZZZ
http://www.perrinperformance.com/brzfr-s/exhaust
Now COBB just needs to get on the ball with the Accessport for this car. Would be interesting to see if they can tune out that ludicrous torque dip.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.495679140450749.116041.170708089614524&type=1
Pics look awesome
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on September 17, 2012, 02:43:59 PM
What's with the squiggly line on the glass?
I dunno I thought maybe Nurburgring? But that's not it...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 21, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
I dunno I thought maybe Nurburgring? But that's not it...
(http://i.imgur.com/REDzh.jpg)
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/map(57).JPG)
You guys seriously don't recognize the Ring when you see it?
I thought they were both being facetious. :huh: :confused:
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 21, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
I thought they were both being facetious. :huh: :confused:
I thought that at first...
Quote from: Raza on September 21, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
You guys seriously don't recognize the Ring when you see it?
Is that the track where they hold the 24 Hours of LeMans?
Quote from: hotrodalex on September 22, 2012, 12:51:17 PM
Is that the track where they hold the 24 Hours of LeMans?
If the nurburgring is french
:facepalm:
Quote from: Raza on September 21, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
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(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/map(57).JPG)
You guys seriously don't recognize the Ring when you see it?
doesn't look like that on google maps. And that's all that counts. :huh:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=nurburgring&hl=en&ll=50.330751,6.945548&spn=0.015013,0.042272&sll=36.560305,-87.346622&sspn=0.15112,0.338173&hq=nurburgring&t=h&z=15
You need to zoom out my friend...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on September 22, 2012, 03:18:54 PM
doesn't look like that on google maps. And that's all that counts. :huh:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=nurburgring&hl=en&ll=50.330751,6.945548&spn=0.015013,0.042272&sll=36.560305,-87.346622&sspn=0.15112,0.338173&hq=nurburgring&t=h&z=15
I think that's the F1 course, not the nordschliefe.
Quote from: r0tor on September 22, 2012, 03:28:50 PM
You need to zoom out my friend...
zoom? there is no zoom...............................................................................
It's got too many turns anyway. I don't like that track. The 14 turns at Road America could frustrate me for years.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on September 22, 2012, 04:16:25 PM
It's got too many turns anyway. I don't like that track. The 14 turns at Road America could frustrate me for years.
Right. Not a good track for seeking that perfect lap on.
still, I'd like to drive it one day.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 22, 2012, 04:26:58 PM
Right. Not a good track for seeking that perfect lap on.
still, I'd like to drive it one day.
It's so hard to not fuck up on a short track. It would be impossible for me there.
The turns are also too fast with no runoff. No thanks.
Yeah but those straightaways and the "OH CRAP" thinking you are going into a turn too hot- until you learn some of the corners you can just blast through...
It's a brutal, unforgiving track. If your goal is to put down perfect lap times, yeah, it'll frustrate you for sure.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on September 17, 2012, 02:43:59 PM
What's with the squiggly line on the glass?
Also, FYI for all forum members, I provide free car sitting. That includes washing, waxing/polishing, premium fuel and indoor storage.
I'll take a free wash and wax please!
Quote from: Champ on September 27, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
I'll take a free wash and wax please!
Still alive, I see.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=368979499849125
248whp on 5psi. w0w.
I'd be right around 200whp at the moment, so that's significantly quicker than my car.
:praise:
I saw that on the forums. $3600 is the unofficial asking price for the whole deal...:mask:
The turbo is actually placed in a great spot compared to the competition, only 5 psi, bolts up to the stock cat, just uses new headers. Comes with a base tune, and the torque curve is fuckin great. AVO is awesome.
Their setups are so clean and stock looking. If the expected raise coming in the next 6-8 months is what I think it's going to be, it's going to be tough to say no to this. 300 hp at the crank or so. That's a power to weight ratio somewhere between a 370Z and a SS camaro. Probably about a 5.3-5.5 sec 0-60, mid 13s in the quarter mile. :wtf:
Yeah, pretty fucking quick, and still balanced handling.
I would love to run an AVO-powered 99-2001 2.5RS Impreza if I have to ever sell this one.
And they're purposely giving it unequal length headers to give it that signature boxer burble...:wub:
These guys know how to win potential customers over.
Agreed, the exhaust note is definitely better on this than a stock 86.
Fuck the RS, if I ever make decent money I'd go for a BRZ with this kit.
Quote from: S204STi on October 06, 2012, 11:01:02 AM
Agreed, the exhaust note is definitely better on this than a stock 86.
But is it still 86mm in diameter.
Yes.
That car is ruined. Too much power.
Quote from: MrH on October 06, 2012, 10:55:19 AM
:praise:
I saw that on the forums. $3600 is the unofficial asking price for the whole deal...:mask:
The turbo is actually placed in a great spot compared to the competition, only 5 psi, bolts up to the stock cat, just uses new headers. Comes with a base tune, and the torque curve is fuckin great. AVO is awesome.
Their setups are so clean and stock looking. If the expected raise coming in the next 6-8 months is what I think it's going to be, it's going to be tough to say no to this. 300 hp at the crank or so. That's a power to weight ratio somewhere between a 370Z and a SS camaro. Probably about a 5.3-5.5 sec 0-60, mid 13s in the quarter mile. :wtf:
I'm going to have to bring this up again:
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:wtf:
This seems like a suitable place to post this: http://autoblopnik.com/2012/10/08/toyota-expands-subarus-involvement-in-new-models/
?Once we drove the FR-S, we realized that our cars just suck,? said Toyota spokesman Joe ?Moe? Tetherball. ?Sure, our vehicles are reliable, but let?s face it, they?re as boring as whale shit."
LMAO
I <3 Autoblopnik.
The haiku about the FRS/BRZ is priceless too. I forget it though, and can't access it here at work.
Quote from: S204STi on October 08, 2012, 11:48:31 AM
This seems like a suitable place to post this: http://autoblopnik.com/2012/10/08/toyota-expands-subarus-involvement-in-new-models/
?Once we drove the FR-S, we realized that our cars just suck,? said Toyota spokesman Joe ?Moe? Tetherball. ?Sure, our vehicles are reliable, but let?s face it, they?re as boring as whale shit."
Really wanna drive a BRZ. They seem like a lot of fun. I don't think I'd ever buy one, but would be fun to try one out.
Quote from: MrH on October 08, 2012, 02:11:48 PM
The haiku about the FRS/BRZ is priceless too. I forget it though, and can't access it here at work.
Lo, what joy is this?
Balance! Graceful oversteer!
Too bad it?s so slow.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 08, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Really wanna drive a BRZ. They seem like a lot of fun. I don't think I'd ever buy one, but would be fun to try one out.
Yeah. Mike's current plan is similar to what I would do with one; low-boost turbo upgrade, some wider (but same diameter) wheels and rubber, and whatnot.
Quote from: S204STi on October 08, 2012, 03:55:59 PM
Yeah. Mike's current plan is similar to what I would do with one; low-boost turbo upgrade, some wider (but same diameter) wheels and rubber, and whatnot.
Yeah, and he's got a sweet ride already.
My 'toy' would probably need to be a drop top and have at least the same number of cylinders and significantly more power than my car does (hence my comment about never owning a BRZ).
Curbed a wheel finally :cry:
Stupid exit from this parking lot. It's a right turn out, really narrow, and rose bushes completely obstruct the view of traffic coming at you :facepalm: Started going, saw a car quickly approaching, floored it, and barely scrapped the curb with my back right wheel. Oh well, this thing is meant to be driven.
Had some fun with an M3 on the high way this morning. He blew past me like I wasn't even moving :lol:
Taillights overlays, reverse light LEDs, license plate LEDs, all ordered. I finally figured out what I need for the turn signals and flasher relay and will be ordering those this weekend.
Need to decide on snow tires soon, and whether I'm going to use my stock wheels for the winter or get cheap steelies.
LEDs = many Z's.
Turbocharge the mood!
I know, I know. LEDs are lame. But it's cheap and I got some extra cash laying around in my PayPal account. Just trying to get it looking exactly how I want. LEDs to get everything to match plus the overlays to get rid of the ricey look of the taillights and it'll be just how I like it.
Snow tires are next. Any sort of forced induction won't be happening until I pay off the car completely. I'm putting a little over $1000 a month towards it. $4k on top of that for a turbo would be a little rough.
Besides, the good systems are still in development. I'm only entertaining the idea of the AVO turbo system (5 psi, 248 whp, full torque pretty much from 3k - 7.8k rpm) and the vortech supercharger. I'd prefer a supercharger, because this car is all about balance and the last thing you need when trying to feather the throttle mid corner is turbo lag. The vortech will come with a warranty too. It's all about the power, price, and how much boost it needs to get that power. Ideally, I want to stay at 6 psi or under, and 300 or more HP at the crank or so. I'm afraid for a supercharger will need more boost than that to crack the 300 HP mark.
Personally I'm running 16" steelies in the winter on minus-size snows, with a slightly narrower footprint. I forget the exact size off the of my head. But generally speaking, you'll want a narrower tread width, and more sidewall wouldn't hurt, either.
Letting other early adopters suss out the issues = good idea.
Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2012, 10:18:07 PM
Letting other early adopters suss out the issues = good idea.
Most FRBRiZerS just crash before something goes wrong.
WRX/STI and the Lancer Evo are the most wrecked cars in America.
This car attracts the same crowd and driving style.
There was an FRS wrecked a month or two ago- the forums lit up saying it was the first, guy admitted to turning traction control off, taking a sweeping curve really quick, and woke up with a telephone pole touching the motor. "I took that curve fast all the time in my FWD (CRX?) car.."
I bet the world went all awesome and slow mo during his car's final dorifto.
Quote from: Raza on October 14, 2012, 07:09:14 AM
Most FRBRiZerS just crash before something goes wrong.
:lol:
http://blipshift.com/?utm_source=hoon&utm_medium=banner728x90&utm_content=sar&utm_campaign=DDN
It's calling your name.
Ha that's a cool one. Haven't seen it before. I was throwing around the idea of getting this one.
(http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12163082.6894/fig,royal_blue,mens,ffffff.jpg)
The one Ro posted is waaay cooler.
What's with you and mustaches when your idea of a lumberjack beard is like 1/2 an inch?
BRZ has a big black bar across the front bumper. Looks like a stache
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 14, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
http://blipshift.com/?utm_source=hoon&utm_medium=banner728x90&utm_content=sar&utm_campaign=DDN
It's calling your name.
Ordered.
My client with the Peugeot RCZ parked next to a Toyota FT-86. Check out how big the RCZ is. :praise:
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This was posted on reddit today. Maybe this is what you need to do with your BRZ senor H.
http://imgur.com/a/vVkqQ
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 14, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
http://blipshift.com/?utm_source=hoon&utm_medium=banner728x90&utm_content=sar&utm_campaign=DDN
It's calling your name.
That website is dangerous. I'd have no problem buying most of the shirts they've had so far...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2012, 07:31:14 AM
WRX/STI and the Lancer Evo are the most wrecked cars in America.
This car attracts the same crowd and driving style.
There was an FRS wrecked a month or two ago- the forums lit up saying it was the first, guy admitted to turning traction control off, taking a sweeping curve really quick, and woke up with a telephone pole touching the motor. "I took that curve fast all the time in my FWD (CRX?) car.."
Many rx8s died similarly... Amazingly all of them had the stability control disabled
With all the hype about the handling, I can't believe the GT86/FRS/BRZ actually failed the avoidance maneuver "moose test"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aIcvFJM4DU
Man look at that sweet ass insta-drift. How could Mike have chosen terminal blundersteer by going with BRZ
Hey Mike, does your car have those ECU problems that other owners have been reporting? It seems like a good amount of the people with problems have had their engines or cars replaced. :mask:
pooor subie...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=JaS7n6qKQe4
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 24, 2012, 03:03:48 PM
With all the hype about the handling, I can't believe the GT86/FRS/BRZ actually failed the avoidance maneuver "moose test"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aIcvFJM4DU
LOL
I have yet to watch the Moose video. I saw it posted it on the BRZ forums though.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 24, 2012, 04:41:18 PM
Hey Mike, does your car have those ECU problems that other owners have been reporting? It seems like a good amount of the people with problems have had their engines or cars replaced. :mask:
No ECU problems. I saw some were having issues with it, but it's not nearly as wide spread as everyone is making it out to be. Maybe 100 or 200 out of thousands and thousands already. They had no idea what was causing it at first, so they were just replacing engines, doing whatever they could at first. Turns out an ECU reflash is all that's needed. Has to do with basically a tolerance stack up and how parameters were being read by the ECU...no worries.
I will say though, something is going on with my car that's really strange. I was driving back from Columbus last Friday and pulled off the high way to get gas. It had been raining on and off, so the roads were pretty slick. Of course, I had to swing the tail around on a big left hand turn coming off the highway. Pulled into a gas station, and something smelled like it was burning. Smoke coming out from one of the wheel wells. Popped the hood, couldn't find what it was. It wasn't coming off the back tires...
I keep catching vague whiffs of it while driving. I took a quick look, and nothing was dragging on a tire or something like that. The underbody has a plate that runs pretty much the whole length of the engine.
Here are my two thoughts of what it could be:
1. The clutch. I adjusted the positioning of the clutch pedal awhile back. Every one did it to the car because the friction point was so high, it was tough to get a smooth start, and just really uncomfortable to have your leg hover so high in the air. There are a few bolts than you can basically loosen, and adjust the pedal. If you set it too low, the clutch will never have full pressure on the flywheel. I wasn't aggressive with it at all though, just slightly lowering it. I'll readjust it back to it's stock location and drive it hard and see if I smell anything.
2. There's a plastic bag melted onto something under there. I'll get the car up on jack stands this weekend with the wheels and under plate off and see if I can find anything.
Anyone else have any ideas? Belts all look good, etc.
You've overcooked your rice.
You fucked with the clutch and now you're paying for it.
Doesn't smell like clutch though :huh: I believe I'm still within spec according to the service manual too.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 25, 2012, 10:23:42 AM
You fucked with the clutch and now you're paying for it.
Do you even understand what he's talking about?
I hate clutches that engage on the floor or at the top of the pedal travel..
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 25, 2012, 10:30:39 AM
Do you even understand what he's talking about?
:lol:
H, while you're shifting hard, does the tranny grind at all? That's also a sign that your clutch isn't engaging all the way.
Hopefully it isn't an oil leak or something. :mask:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 25, 2012, 10:54:58 AM
:lol:
H, while you're shifting hard, does the tranny grind at all? That's also a sign that your clutch isn't engaging all the way.
Hopefully it isn't an oil leak or something. :mask:
Disengaging.
And you can only shift as fast as the synchros will go, unless you are tricksy enough to override them.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 25, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
Disengaging.
And you can only shift as fast as the synchros will go, unless you are tricksy enough to override them.
Yes that.
Maybe it's the plastic bag making a nasty stink?
Quote from: 2o6 on October 25, 2012, 11:06:17 AM
Maybe it's the plastic bag making a nasty stink?
That's what I'm thinking.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 25, 2012, 10:54:58 AM
:lol:
H, while you're shifting hard, does the tranny grind at all? That's also a sign that your clutch isn't engaging all the way.
Hopefully it isn't an oil leak or something. :mask:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 25, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
Disengaging.
And you can only shift as fast as the synchros will go, unless you are tricksy enough to override them.
Nope, it's disengaging just fine. On the forum, there's a test to do after you adjust to make sure you're still engaging and disengaging fine (basically, put the car in first, creep until clutch is completely out, stop and immediately go into reverse. Should have some nasty grinding when trying to go into reverse without being completely disengaged).
I've also put it through every load I can imagine to see if I can get slip while it's in gear (floor it in 1st and 2nd at peak torque, flooring at way too high of a gear while the engine is bogging, etc). Can't get any slip there either.
It's gotta be a bag or fluid leaking somewhere is my guess.
It could be a slow coolant leak. When the intake manifold on my old Mustang cracked, I had coolant dripping on the exhaust and it really smelled quite bad.
Burnt coolant is pretty distinctive, though. It usually smells like fish.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 25, 2012, 11:25:06 AM
It could be a slow coolant leak. When the intake manifold on my old Mustang cracked, I had coolant dripping on the exhaust and it really smelled quite bad.
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Quote from: MrH on October 25, 2012, 11:20:37 AM
That's what I'm thinking.
Nope, it's disengaging just fine. On the forum, there's a test to do after you adjust to make sure you're still engaging and disengaging fine (basically, put the car in first, creep until clutch is completely out, stop and immediately go into reverse. Should have some nasty grinding when trying to go into reverse without being completely disengaged).
I'm no expert, but I don't see how that is a valid test at all. Many manual transmissions will experience grinding like that. If you've ever ridden a four-wheeler or dirtbike, you'll know that sometimes in order to get it into gear, you need to slip the clutch a bit first because something isn't lining up
just right in the transmission. I've even experienced this on the A4, especially when cold. It wont want to go into first, but if you push it towards first (gently) and slip the clutch a bit, it'll pop right in and you'll be on your way. I'd suspect going from first to reverse right away could produce a similar situation...but like I said, I could be just way off.
Yeah, when my car is cold it doesn't like to go into reverse, so I have to keep rowing between 1st and reverse before it will actually go in.
Most reverse gears are unsynchronized, so it's not going to mesh just right. The only car that I've driven is able to go from 1st to Reverse easily was the Focus; and Reverse in that car was synchronized.
...but guys, it goes until reverse just fine. Clutch isn't touching anything. It's completely disengaging, and I can't force it to slip at all when it is engaged. I doubt it's the clutch.
Thank you all for the elementary description of how reverse and gears work. :lol:
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Luckily it was covered under a TSB.
Quote from: MrH on October 25, 2012, 11:59:24 AM
...but guys, it goes until reverse just fine. Clutch isn't touching anything. It's completely disengaging, and I can't force it to slip at all when it is engaged. I doubt it's the clutch.
Thank you all for the elementary description of how reverse and gears work. :lol:
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You know, it could be that your clutch isn't fully disengaging now because your adjusted it wrong.
I hear its possible to not adjust your clutch properly. That could be a problem.
Lol, you guys are such assholes. If I push the clutch in while moving and in gear, it wouldnt drop to idle. Everything points to it engaged and disengaging just fine.
Quote from: r0tor on October 25, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
I hear its possible to not adjust your clutch properly. That could be a problem.
:lol:
Quote from: MrH on October 25, 2012, 06:03:26 PM
Lol, you guys are such assholes. If I push the clutch in while moving and in gear, it wouldnt drop to idle. Everything points to it engaged and disengaging just fine.
That doesn't mean it can't be skating the flywheel just enough to make it a little stinky.
I bet your blinker fluid is leaking onto the manifold.
Well, just worked on the BRZ for awhile.
Readjusted the clutch, haven't taken it out for a drive yet.
I'm just about done getting the exterior and interior how I want it. Almost all the lights are LEDs and match now. Here's what I've swapped out so far:
- interior dome light
- courtesy foot lights on the door
- license plate lights
- reverse lights
- fog lights
- trunk light
- debadged the "subaru" letters off the back
Here's what I got left to do:
- vinyl wrap the taillights red. Already got the overlays, just need to do it
- LED turn signals. Have those too, but still need to order a relay to get the flashing to work at the right frequency
- clear corners
- snow tires
- OEM knee pads on the interior
- OEM mud flaps
- Maybe wrap the interior panel in something.
After that, summer wheels and tires this spring, and then I need to decide if I'm going to go turbo or not. :praise:
Don't turbo. Too much power...
Do turbo
Wait for the warranty to run out. If anything goes wrong with the engine at all, they will blame it on the turbo.
Vortech supercharger is going to come with a warranty...
Quote from: SVT666 on October 27, 2012, 07:27:19 PM
Wait for the warranty to run out. If anything goes wrong with the engine at all, they will blame it on the turbo.
So he can have an old car with a turbo without any warranty instead of a new car with a turbo that might have a warranty?
I've really never understood that logic: of course I haven't ever owned many cars under warranty anyways, so they don't mean so much to me in the first place.
If you have an after market supercharger or turbocharger the dealership will find a way to blame everything that ever goes wrong on it. They make more on non-warranty items then on warranty covered items.
Quote from: MrH on October 27, 2012, 07:28:42 PM
Vortech supercharger is going to come with a warranty...
Only on the supercharger. You lose your manufacturer warranty on everything from the engine to the transmission and anything else they can figure out a way to blame on the supercharger.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 27, 2012, 08:04:48 PM
If you have an after market supercharger or turbocharger the dealership will find a way to blame everything that ever goes wrong on it. They make more on non-warranty items then on warranty covered items.
This is true; but if given the fact that you cannot have a turbo BRZ WITH a full warranty, is it better to have an old one or a new one?
Quote from: SVT666 on October 27, 2012, 07:27:19 PM
Wait for the warranty to run out. If anything goes wrong with the engine at all, they will blame it on the turbo.
You know what I say? To hell with the warranty. Enjoy the turbo
when you decide you want it. It won't break the engine unless you really screw it up.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 27, 2012, 08:22:27 PM
This is true; but if given the fact that you cannot have a turbo BRZ WITH a full warranty, is it better to have an old one or a new one?
Warrantees are usually 3 years so the car will hardly be old.
Plastidip the engine, it'll add some protection, and as a bonus, it's 100% reversible.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 27, 2012, 08:43:28 PM
Warrantees are usually 3 years so the car will hardly be old.
Not on drivetrains they usually aren't.
What are they usually? Most of the ones I've seen are 3 years/60,000 km. Some are 5 years.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 27, 2012, 09:09:12 PM
What are they usually? Most of the ones I've seen are 3 years/60,000 km. Some are 5 years.
I think its five years on his. Five years is a decent amount of time to wait and not have what you want - if that's what you really want and can afford.
And then, you end up turbocharging a five year old engine.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 27, 2012, 09:12:47 PM
I think its five years on his. Five years is a decent amount of time to wait and not have what you want - if that's what you really want and can afford.
And then, you end up turbocharging a five year old engine.
well, in that case I would wait 2 or 3 years. If anything is going to go wrong it will usually have gone wrong by that point.
Wait until the engine is broken in. So, a thousand miles or so, depending on how you drive.
Well, thanks for the illogical, emotional responses on why I should or shouldn't turbo it :lol:
I'm edging on 5k miles soon. Might need knee surgery soon. Come rent my car, it'll be in the garage for awhile.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
Well, thanks for the illogical, emotional responses on why I should or shouldn't turbo it :lol:
I'm edging on 5k miles soon. Might need knee surgery soon. Come rent my car, it'll be in the garage for awhile.
Trade for Accent? It has an insanely light clutch, and it makes broom sounds.
I don't generally ever read other car forums, especially dumbass model-specific ones. But I read the FT86 forums. I like seeing how everyone traded M3s, Corvettes, Evos, STIs, and GT-Rs to get their FRS/BReeZe.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 28, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
Trade for Accent? It has an insanely light clutch, and it makes broom sounds.
It's my right knee this time. If it was just getting scoped, no problem, but they're probably going to have to filet this butch open this time.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 12:06:33 PM
It's my right knee this time. If it was just getting scoped, no problem, but they're probably going to have to filet this butch open this time.
Oh. In that case, you can drive Accent clutchlessly and use your left leg for the gas/brake.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 12:06:33 PM
It's my right knee this time. If it was just getting scoped, no problem, but they're probably going to have to filet this butch open this time.
Just had knee surgery yesterday. My right quad tore completely through on one side of the tendon and halfway through on the other side of the tendon in a freak accident on Friday. 5 weeks in a knee immobilizer before transferring to a hinged brace after that. I can't drive for that entire time either. The pain is excruciating even with T3's.
Autoweek reports subaru will have a factory turbo next year... factory forced induction is always better then an aftermarket conversion.
Meh. I saw that rumor. I really doubt it's accuracy.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 02:04:33 PM
Meh. I saw that rumor. I really doubt it's accuracy.
Is there room for it?
Not really. Subaru execs already said no turbo BRZ. STI version will be NA if it ever happens. They're turboing the FA20 for the next legacy. Nothing about the rumor makes much sense.
Having STI AND WRX AND GT doesn't make much sense either. :huh:
They'd be stupid to NOT be trying to to do it.
If it doesn't fit, it won't happen.
If there is room for an aftermarket system, there is room for an OEM system.
Toyota put up the cash to make this thing happen. If Toyota doesn't want subaru to turbo charge it and walk away with all the sales, and it's not going to happen.
Quote from: r0tor on October 28, 2012, 04:23:56 PM
If there is room for an aftermarket system, there is room for an OEM system.
The aftermarket doesn't have to worry about stuff like crash safety standards (pedestrian standards require a minimum amount of crush space between the hood and motor, for instance).
Quote from: MX793 on October 28, 2012, 04:27:01 PM
The aftermarket doesn't have to worry about stuff like crash safety standards (pedestrian standards require a minimum amount of crush space between the hood and motor, for instance).
The aftermarket can't reengineer subframes and firewalls
You think an OEM would do that just to make a turbo version of the car...? :wtf:
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
You think an OEM would do that just to make a turbo version of the car...? :wtf:
Yes. See the Cygnet v12 thread.
Of course that's more extreme, but they do have to do some body modifications to work it out. See also the crazy multitudes of weird motors shoe-horned into cars they didn't belong in....
Now, will Toyobaru actually do it? I dunno. But sales and demand seem strong enough, they'd be dumb not to. They could sell the turbo FRS model as well....
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 28, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
Yes. See the Cygnet v12 thread.
Of course that's more extreme, but they do have to do some body modifications to work it out. See also the crazy multitudes of weird motors shoe-horned into cars they didn't belong in....
Now, will Toyobaru actually do it? I dunno. But sales and demand seem strong enough, they'd be dumb not to. They could sell the turbo FRS model as well....
I'll be surprised if they make a dozen of those Cygnets. They'll also probably sell for some atrocious price. To be honest, I half suspect that the V12 Cygnet is a factory custom job for a handful of uber-wealthy Aston fans. People like the royal family of Brunei who get one-off Ferraris made for them.
Quote from: MX793 on October 28, 2012, 05:06:53 PM
I'll be surprised if they make a dozen of those Cygnets. They'll also probably sell for some atrocious price. To be honest, I half suspect that the V12 Cygnet is a factory custom job for a handful of uber-wealthy Aston fans. People like the royal family of Brunei who get one-off Ferraris made for them.
Me too. But what it does is gives the brand major street cred. Like the turbo'd up Subarus have done for their "lesbian ski car" image..
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
You think an OEM would do that just to make a turbo version of the car...? :wtf:
Depends on if they want the car to sell in decent numbers for more then a few years. Sports coupes are universally known to have strong sales for a year or two and fall off the face of the earth. One way to restart sales is coming out with a hotter version a couple model years into production - the germans typically do this to perfection.
Had mazda slapped forced induction onto the RX8, I believe it would probably still be around... they didnt have the funding for it.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 28, 2012, 05:09:02 PM
Me too. But what it does is gives the brand major street cred. Like the turbo'd up Subarus have done for their "lesbian ski car" image..
I'm pretty sure Subie only had the lesbian ski car image in North America. They were building high performance, turbocharged versions of the Legacy and Impreza for other markets in the early 90s, they just didn't opt to sell them in North America until the early to mid 00s.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 28, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
Yes. See the Cygnet v12 thread.
Of course that's more extreme, but they do have to do some body modifications to work it out. See also the crazy multitudes of weird motors shoe-horned into cars they didn't belong in....
Now, will Toyobaru actually do it? I dunno. But sales and demand seem strong enough, they'd be dumb not to. They could sell the turbo FRS model as well....
Holy fuckin :facepalm:
Seriously? You're going to say that subaru is going to be willing to change the entire fire wall and sub frame on a mass produced car, because there's a rumor Aston Martin is going to do it a handful of times with the Cygnet? One, that's also a stupid rumor and unlikely to happen. Two, they'll make all of 5-10 of them. Three, it'll cost something stupid like $500k. It is absolutely nothing like this scenario at all.
From the article Wimmer posted, the Aston is just a rumor for now, with only "studies" done - no actual V12 stuck in the car yet.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 05:17:22 PM
Holy fuckin :facepalm:
Seriously? You're going to say that subaru is going to be willing to change the entire fire wall and sub frame on a mass produced car, because there's a rumor Aston Martin is going to do it a handful of times with the Cygnet? One, that's also a stupid rumor and unlikely to happen. Two, they'll make all of 5-10 of them. Three, it'll cost something stupid like $500k. It is absolutely nothing like this scenario at all.
I'm NOT saying "because". I'm saying many companies do sillier.
As pointed out, if an aftermarket setup will fit, I'm sure an OEM solution could too.
-How many BRZs and FRSs are sitting unsold on dealer lots again????
-How many have said the cars have too much horsepower???
-How many people have said "I'd buy it- if it had a turbo" ??
You know how many people on forums would claim they'd buy an M5 wagon with a manual transmission if it was for sale here?
And how many are sitting around on lots right now? Zero. They're not having trouble moving these at all.
Companies do sillier...but not for mass production vehicles. You can't point to something like a Juke R and say "ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE!!!"
Quote from: MX793 on October 28, 2012, 04:27:01 PM
The aftermarket doesn't have to worry about stuff like crash safety standards (pedestrian standards require a minimum amount of crush space between the hood and motor, for instance).
Stupid rules, and there should be an exception for turbo plumbing anyways (I see no reason why a pressure pipe from a turbo can't be made to crush upon impact)
I want an FRS with exactly 200 HP.
Dropped a reverse bulb into the housing :facepalm: Hour and a half later, I got the whole thing out, shook the bulb out, and reinstalled. Ugh.
I can't believe the Velostet Turb amd Fiat 500 Abarth are $22K. Totally worth another $3K for a BReeZe.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 06:44:56 PM
And how many are sitting around on lots right now? Zero. They're not having trouble moving these at all.
!!!"
Give it 2 years and see if thats still the case
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2012, 07:24:50 PM
Dropped a reverse bulb into the housing :facepalm: Hour and a half later, I got the whole thing out, shook the bulb out, and reinstalled. Ugh.
Did that to my headlights... Had to take the front bumper off to get the headlight out to shake the bulb out
Quote from: r0tor on October 29, 2012, 06:51:37 AM
Did that to my headlights... Had to take the front bumper off to get the headlight out to shake the bulb out
It was so ridiculous, I had to just sit there and laugh at myself for awhile. I was laying on my back, trying to fish it out with a pair of needle nose pliers, wrapped in duct tape to try and stick the bulb.
Ended up getting the duct tape stuck too. Went to remove the whole bumper, but realized you had to remove EVERYTHING to do it. Ended up being able to sneak it out of the bottom, but I snapped a clip off in the process. Still secures in plenty fine with the 2 christmas trees and bolts, but it bothers me for some reason. My right arm looks like it got attacked by a badger, because I had to jam it against the exhaust and do all of it by feel alone.
Quote from: r0tor on October 29, 2012, 06:50:26 AM
Give it 2 years and see if thats still the case
It's somewhere in the range of a 6-8 month waiting list right now...I think it'll hold ok for quite awhile. Production simply can't keep up with demand, and they're running all out right now. There just isn't many BRZs coming to the states period. I think I've only seen 2 others in my entire area.
Good friend of mine just got a black one though :rockon: Now I got someone to nerd out with about BRZs. He was dead set on getting a Jetta GLI, was going to order it the next day, then he drove my car. He has no idea how he's going to strap his bikes to the car, but he said it was good enough to drive, he just didn't care anymore.
I've seen a few FR-Ses, though.
Quote from: MrH on October 29, 2012, 07:15:47 AM
He has no idea how he's going to strap his bikes to the car, but he said it was good enough to drive, he just didn't care anymore.
DO NOT let him get a bumper rack, those things mess up the paint no matter how careful you are with them. That car looks too small for a good roofrack.
HITCH RACK. Hitch will be $100-200 but you can get all sorts of different racks. I like this one, it was about $130 at performancebike.com
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3417/3316635333_1f905c3c3b_b.jpg)
You can get much cheaper racks too.
He knows not to do a bumper rack. There's no where for a hitch on this car. The exhaust hangs right where a hitch would go.
I think he's going to remove the wheel and throw it in the back with the seats down for the time being :lol:
Quote from: MrH on October 29, 2012, 12:34:00 PM
He knows not to do a bumper rack. There's no where for a hitch on this car. The exhaust hangs right where a hitch would go.
:(
I'm sure someone will make a hitch- it might be lower than usual, but...
OR- I hate to say it, but punch a 3" square hole throught the bumper and weld a receiver right to the frame.. (pretty much invalidates the point of bumpers though! :lol: )
http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/11/avo-brz/
It's tempting. I'm waiting to see what the Vortech supercharger ends up looking like. I think that might end of being a better option.
Alright, question time. Need some opinions.
First up, summer wheels and tires. I'm leaning towards some stock STI BBS wheels. Something like these would look good and let me run some wider rubber without completely breaking the bank. I like the look of them better than anything the aftermarket really has. I've seen them in silver, gunmetal, black, adn gold. Thoughts? Which color?
(http://i.imgur.com/NnoRG.jpg)
Also, the taillights will finally get wrapped this weekend. As for the interior, what is everyone's thoughts are wrapping the interior silver panel in Subaru Rally Blue instead? I don't know why, but I really don't like how cheap the painted silver looks.
Those are the 5x100 17x7.5 wheels, right? They're pretty nice I guess and are supposed to weigh under 16lb.
I'd try and go wider though. I would go at least 8" wide (9 preferably).
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2012, 10:47:27 AM
Alright, question time. Need some opinions.
First up, summer wheels and tires. I'm leaning towards some stock STI BBS wheels. Something like these would look good and let me run some wider rubber without completely breaking the bank. I like the look of them better than anything the aftermarket really has. I've seen them in silver, gunmetal, black, adn gold. Thoughts? Which color?
(http://i.imgur.com/NnoRG.jpg)
Silver or gunmetal.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 16, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
Those are the 5x100 17x7.5 wheels, right? They're pretty nice I guess and are supposed to weigh under 16lb.
I'd try and go wider though. I would go at least 8" wide (9 preferably).
Why? He's got 200 horsepower, not 500. Why does he need 9" wheels? What width of tire do you think he needs to corral the same amount of horsepower my Jetta had?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1809388#msg1809388 date=1353090955
Why? He's got 200 horsepower, not 500. Why does he need 9" wheels? What width of tire do you think he needs to corral the same amount of horsepower my Jetta had?
No kidding. 9" wide wheels means 245 or 255 tires.
Quote from: Raza on November 16, 2012, 11:35:55 AM
Why? He's got 200 horsepower, not 500. Why does he need 9" wheels? What width of tire do you think he needs to corral the same amount of horsepower my Jetta had?
If you compared it to a subpar econobox, such as a stock Hyundai Accent GS, you would see things differently. With 110 horsepower and 5.5 inch wheels, the Accent can barely scoot around at normal speeds without its tires begging for mercy. This is an effective ratio of 20:1 (HP:in). Given that information, the 200 horsepower BRZ would need 10 inch wheels in order to meet the performance level of an Accent. Furthermore, given the sporting intentions of the BRZ, it would surely require even greater than 10 inches of wheel width. Combining this purely scientific conclusion with my own extensive anecdotal experience leads me to recommend a minimum wheel width of 12 inches for any BRZ.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1809388#msg1809388 date=1353090955
Why? He's got 200 horsepower, not 500. Why does he need 9" wheels? What width of tire do you think he needs to corral the same amount of horsepower my Jetta had?
Hey, don't get your panties in a bunch, I'm just giving him my opinion.
There are plenty of sub 200 hp NC Miatas with 245 width tires and they do great at auto-x's and track events. That's what I want to get whenever I can afford it.
Yeah, you can put down great lap times at an autocross, but does that mean you're going to have more fun with the car the rest of the time? Driving isn't all about lap times. We're not going to end up the next Lewis Hamilton. There is such a thing as too much grip.
:lol: 255s on 9" wheels would definitely be over kill. Sticky summer tires in 225 or 235 should pull close to a g.
Washed and clay barred it. :rockon: it'll get a nice polish, then going to lather on the wax to get ready for winter.
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2012, 01:11:23 PM
:lol: 255s on 9" wheels would definitely be over kill. Sticky summer tires in 225 or 235 should pull close to a g.
Washed and clay barred it. :rockon: it'll get a nice polish, then going to lather on the wax to get ready for winter.
Viper tires or bust. 330 rears son!
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2012, 01:11:23 PM
:lol: 255s on 9" wheels would definitely be over kill. Sticky summer tires in 225 or 235 should pull close to a g.
Washed and clay barred it. :rockon: it'll get a nice polish, then going to lather on the wax to get ready for winter.
235 isn't all that far from 245. ;)
And I would want at least an 8" rim on a 235. Then again, obviously I'm an idiot and there's such a thing as too much grip. :facepalm:
Quote from: thecarnut on November 16, 2012, 01:31:18 PM
235 isn't all that far from 245. ;)
And I would want at least an 8" rim on a 235. Then again, obviously I'm an idiot and there's such a thing as too much grip. :facepalm:
Red reverse lights.
do the dash in blue. Always nice to have some color
Quote from: Raza on November 16, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
Yeah, you can put down great lap times at an autocross, but does that mean you're going to have more fun with the car the rest of the time? Driving isn't all about lap times. We're not going to end up the next Lewis Hamilton. There is such a thing as too much grip.
The Fuckus has it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 16, 2012, 12:23:50 PM
If you compared it to a subpar econobox, such as a stock Hyundai Accent GS, you would see things differently. With 110 horsepower and 5.5 inch wheels, the Accent can barely scoot around at normal speeds without its tires begging for mercy. This is an effective ratio of 20:1 (HP:in). Given that information, the 200 horsepower BRZ would need 10 inch wheels in order to meet the performance level of an Accent. Furthermore, given the sporting intentions of the BRZ, it would surely require even greater than 10 inches of wheel width. Combining this purely scientific conclusion with my own extensive anecdotal experience leads me to recommend a minimum wheel width of 12 inches for any BRZ.
You sure? This thing is so light and low to the ground it's almost prone to floating away with the leaves- shouldn't it be 14" ???
395 tires of bust.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 16, 2012, 04:03:04 PM
You sure? This thing is so light and low to the ground it's almost prone to floating away with the leaves- shouldn't it be 14" ???
No, but the minimum suspension travel should be approximately 14".
Thoughts on a kicker amp and sub?
(http://i.imgur.com/HeNWl.jpg)
Friends got these all just sitting in their living room. I could get them at cost, maybe even free. Maybe a conservative amp and sub?
Under-do the sub. Everybody overdoes their bass.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 17, 2012, 04:06:08 PM
Under-do the sub. Everybody overdoes their bass.
+1
Get a giant tweeter, instead.
Quote from: MrH on November 17, 2012, 03:40:39 PM
Maybe a conservative amp and sub?
FRAK. YES. Bass Rules.
Quote from: MrH on November 17, 2012, 07:33:43 PM
So fresh and so clean, clean:
(http://i.imgur.com/iqH7e.jpg)
Why is all of that just sitting in their living room?
Roommates girlfriend's family. Her dad is a former Chrysler plant manager. They're filthy rich. He retired, opened a audio/tint shop just for fun. Ended up getting pulled back in by Chrysler to do consulting work on contract. Ended up selling the shop, so he's got left over stock sitting around.
He's got a ridiculous garage: 1970 challenger in plum purple with a snake skin roof, acr 1st Gen Viper, stage 3 neon srt4 as a track toy, daily drives a CLS 63 amg. He's looking into getting a Ferrari 360 or f430 in the next few months too :rockon:
That's sweet.
I'd go for the Kicker L3. They're sweet.
I'd double up. Sub box in the trunk and then remove the rear seats and put another sub box there.
I looked up how some people on the BRZ forums and how they mounted subs and amps.... Fuck that. Takes up almost the entire trunk, even the small ones. Trunk space is important in a car this small, so that's out.
A company is wrapping the whole center console in alcantara. :thumbsup: looks great. Considering doing it myself.
Snow tires getting ordered today. Going to try and order some OEM mudflaps too. Really conservative looking, but should help keep from slinging filth down the side like it does now.
Might be taking it out for a photo shoot with my friend with the black BRZ. Should be a good time. An S2k and a few others might join too.
Quote from: Raza on November 18, 2012, 06:42:44 AM
I'd double up. Sub box in the trunk and then remove the rear seats and put another sub box there.
Pansy. To really feel it he should also take out the passenger seat. Extra battery, some capacitors, and another amp and sub box.
Shoulda got huge mud flaps for.winter.
The RallyGuard mud flaps look ridiculous:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/8016172058_d158065380_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/8016174954_19cc21a46d_c.jpg)
Actually, I think that looks awesome :lol:
I think the mudflaps look alright. :mask:
Looks awesome.with meaty tires like that
Quote from: MrH on November 18, 2012, 10:16:05 AM
The RallyGuard mud flaps look ridiculous:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/8016172058_d158065380_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/8016174954_19cc21a46d_c.jpg)
I like 'em. :huh:
Mud flaps on a RWD sports coupe?
That looks ridiculous and seems unnecessary.
Looks homemade. Not a fan. All it needs is Yosemite Sam on them.
Pretty sweet. If I didn't care so much about aerodynamics, I'd get rally flaps
for the Accent.
Molded flaps would look pretty good I think
Quote from: SVT666 on November 20, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
Molded flaps would look pretty good I think
+1 That's what I'm getting.
No. You need bright red Rally Flaps. Or perhaps a safety orange?
:wub: x 10
I usually carpool with a roommate to work every morning. Driving through traffic while talking work or politics makes for boring drives. But I left a bit later and we drove separately today. This car is awesome to drive like an idiot.
Accent is... uh... safe to drive like an idiot. Catastrophic underperformance :zzz:
So this is why the Subaru sales guy told me Subaru made the brz for rally racing...
the mudflaps? or driving to work like an idiot??? :lol:
I'm guessing if they added some suspension lift they could move the radiator, push the engine forward, make it awd and rally it.
But that's a whole lot of ton of mucho work...
No, no, and no. There's no way they could make this thing AWD. No room to really move the engine, no way to get half shafts up front.
It's stupid fun. I'm about to go blast around the backroads on the way home, windows down, music blasting :praise:
Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2012, 12:47:18 PM
No, no, and no. There's no way they could make this thing AWD. No room to really move the engine, no way to get half shafts up front.
It's stupid fun. I'm about to go blast around the backroads on the way home, windows down, music blasting :praise:
What about the next IS? Would be at a serious disaadvantage with no AWD option.
Quote from: r0tor on November 21, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
So this is why the Subaru sales guy told me Subaru made the brz for rally racing...
They made it because Toyota told them to.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 21, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
They made it because Toyota told them to.
And paid for a lot of it.
Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2012, 12:47:18 PM
No, no, and no. There's no way they could make this thing AWD. No room to really move the engine, no way to get half shafts up front.
It's stupid fun. I'm about to go blast around the backroads on the way home, windows down, music blasting :praise:
I'm pretty sure the chassis/platform was designed specifically as a RWD vehicle, not as that modular/ flexible type crap.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2012, 05:11:51 PM
What about the next IS? Would be at a serious disaadvantage with no AWD option.
IS will probably be on a stretched/widened version of the platform. In which case, there might be room for AWD hardware.
IS will get a pretty modified version of the platform. With a V6 instead of a flat four, the hood line is going to have to move way up. That's one of the most shocking things about this car is how low the whole hood line is. The engine is nearly sitting on the ground, and the hood just barely clears it. Jump into a Mustang right after and you'll notice right away how much higher up you sit and the hood sits much higher.
Putting in LED turn signal bulbs today. They don't snap in as well as the standard ones but I'll figure something out. I need to get under the steering column and swap out the relay too so they flash at a normal rate. They look infinitely better already because there's no longer a giant amber bulb reflecting at all times. My parent's neighborhood has an awesome photo shoot spot, so I'll take a few pictures today if I remember to bring my camera.
Also, I'm looking to get a closed face helmet for autoX and track days soon. Trying to find something like the Stig's, but in a metallic blue and neon yellow color scheme, kind of like captain falcon's car from F-Zero :lol:
http://simpsonraceproducts.com/products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1 and some paint
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 23, 2012, 09:50:51 AM
http://simpsonraceproducts.com/products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1 and some paint
I like the Bandit. I would get that in white, then take it to a good paint shop.
Good deal. I'll have to check with some local paint shops. Installed the new turn signals. Wow, what a difference.
Quote from: MrH on November 23, 2012, 09:20:38 AM
IS will get a pretty modified version of the platform. With a V6 instead of a flat four, the hood line is going to have to move way up. That's one of the most shocking things about this car is how low the whole hood line is. The engine is nearly sitting on the ground, and the hood just barely clears it. Jump into a Mustang right after and you'll notice right away how much higher up you sit and the hood sits much higher.
Putting in LED turn signal bulbs today. They don't snap in as well as the standard ones but I'll figure something out. I need to get under the steering column and swap out the relay too so they flash at a normal rate. They look infinitely better already because there's no longer a giant amber bulb reflecting at all times. My parent's neighborhood has an awesome photo shoot spot, so I'll take a few pictures today if I remember to bring my camera.
I haven't been able to park next the a frbrzs yet to see how much bigger it is than my car in person. I see them on the road now and then, and they definitely look a lot smaller than most modern cars.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 23, 2012, 09:50:51 AM
http://simpsonraceproducts.com/products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1 and some paint
Holy sh!t those are expensive.
Quote from: MrH on November 23, 2012, 10:14:37 AM
Good deal. I'll have to check with some local paint shops. Installed the new turn signals. Wow, what a difference.
I have to admit, I have never been wowed by turn signals. But on a BRZ, I might be.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 23, 2012, 11:47:10 AM
I have to admit, I have never been wowed by turn signals. But on a BRZ, I might be.
BOABIMB
Deals with all manners of crazy Subaru goodness.
Before:
(http://i.imgur.com/zhiCn.jpg)
After:
(http://i.imgur.com/odmSM.jpg)
dawg did u get da ledz/
OK, you need to get an old Fiat or something. You've run out of things to do.
Between the leds and random ricing of interior parts, and the emphatic jizzing over the Camry and random SUV's (see JGC thread), I feel you are only a few steps away from Trep zone. :(
:rolleyes: Says the man who plastidipped nearly his whole damn car but still drives around with holes in his roof. Straight up hoopty ricer! :lol:
(http://harmoniaphilosophica.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/plain-rice-p-leecher_1.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on November 24, 2012, 12:37:28 PM
:rolleyes: Says the man who plastidipped nearly his whole damn car but still drives around with holes in his roof. Straight up hoopty ricer! :lol:
Wat.
I don't even have plastidip on my wheels anymore (which you liked btw) and the only other part that's plastidipped are the badges which is actually dericing them because they aren't chrome anymore. :praise:
Plus, I got a new roof and I don't have holes anymore. :rage:
trolled
I don't think putting LEDs in a newer car is rice. Putting LEDs in the tail lights of a '97 Civic, however...
Quote from: MrH on November 24, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
Before:
(http://i.imgur.com/zhiCn.jpg)
After:
(http://i.imgur.com/odmSM.jpg)
The LED bulb? If so, did you have to do the jury rigging of the resistor?
I think he said he was going to replace the relay for 'em.
Once I have $150, maybe I'll replace my tails with LEDZZZZZ.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 24, 2012, 04:33:21 PM
maybe I'll replace my tails with LEDZZZZZ.
still will not be as cool as BRZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 24, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
still will not be as cool as BRZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
When did he say it would be as cool as BRRRZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ?
:facepalm:
I wish I had a car worth ricing out like this.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 24, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
The LED bulb? If so, did you have to do the jury rigging of the resistor?
Yeah, swapped the bulb. I replaced the relay so it flashes at the right rate now. No resistors or splicing needed.
Quote from: MrH on November 24, 2012, 08:41:00 PM
Yeah, swapped the bulb. I replaced the relay so it flashes at the right rate now. No resistors or splicing needed.
Oh nice. I want to relay the Accent. How is relay formed? How circuit get switched?
Just had to lay upside down by the steering column, find it, and swap it. Still haven't gotten the snap bracket off the old one yet. Probably just going to zip tie it up there instead.
Quote from: MrH on November 24, 2012, 08:41:00 PM
Yeah, swapped the bulb. I replaced the relay so it flashes at the right rate now. No resistors or splicing needed.
Hmm. Did research on the G. Blinker relays are part of the ECU/control system so they're not replaceable; ergo, the goofy load resistors mounted near the bulb. The mixture of LED and filament lights is goofy IMO but I'm hesitant to splice wiring, have to deal with (hot) resistors, and the eventual replacement of custom LED bulbs.
Incandescent turn bulbs with LED brake lights is pretty typical.
blacked out headlights hnng.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8487/8156316420_121e45ed94_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7252/8156317684_1281405fe7_b.jpg)
Dude those blacked out headlights are fucking sexy.
Don't fuck with your lamps people. :facepalm:
They may be made by our Japanese competitor, but I still don't think they deserve to be desecrated. :lol:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 30, 2012, 03:46:20 PM
Don't fuck with your lamps people. :facepalm:
They may be made by our Japanese competitor, but I still don't think they deserve to be desecrated. :lol:
Amberlamps
Lights are welded together. Not worth it for a slightly better blacked out look. It's not even that noticeable.
OEM mudflaps have been received! Putting them on tomorrow. Should totally get some Yosemite Sam decals for em :lol:
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2012, 07:09:18 PM
Lights are welded together. Not worth it for a slightly better blacked out look. It's not even that noticeable.
OEM mudflaps have been received! Putting them on tomorrow. Should totally get some Yosemite Sam decals for em :lol:
They've either got a 2 part adhesive or hot melt rubber bonding the lens to the the housing. If its hot melt you could throw it in an oven and pull the lens off, but getting it resealed properly would not be easy. You'd probably break the hooks too. I'm sure it won't look as cool when it's full of condensation.
Most people are basically cutting both the fronts and rears with a soldering iron and then using plastic welder and silicon to put them back together :facepalm:
I remember my dad pulling apart the headlamp adhesive on our Intrigue to clean the lens from the inside. I would kill him for trying that now. :lol:
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
Most people are basically cutting both the fronts and rears with a soldering iron and then using plastic welder and silicon to put them back together :facepalm:
Say what you will about Lamin-X, but I will NOT fuck with opening lights up just to change the color.
Looks nice though.
Quote from: thecarnut on November 30, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
Say what you will about Lamin-X, but I will NOT fuck with opening lights up just to change the color.
Looks nice though.
Yeah, I basically have pre-cut Lamin-X for my taillights. Just need to do it tomorrow. People are saying it's easier with the taillights on the car, but I have a hard time believing that. Unfortunately my taillights are a nasty shape to wrap. Gotta snag the roommate's girlfriend's hair dryer tomorrow to do it :lol:
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
Most people are basically cutting both the fronts and rears with a soldering iron and then using plastic welder and silicon to put them back together :facepalm:
I don't see what is wrong with this method
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Yeah, I basically have pre-cut Lamin-X for my taillights. Just need to do it tomorrow. People are saying it's easier with the taillights on the car, but I have a hard time believing that. Unfortunately my taillights are a nasty shape to wrap. Gotta snag the roommate's girlfriend's hair dryer tomorrow to do it :lol:
I'm glad the Accent's lenses are all the right colors. Much easier. :praise:
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Yeah, I basically have pre-cut Lamin-X for my taillights. Just need to do it tomorrow. People are saying it's easier with the taillights on the car, but I have a hard time believing that. Unfortunately my taillights are a nasty shape to wrap. Gotta snag the roommate's girlfriend's hair dryer tomorrow to do it :lol:
I did mine on the car. It was easy but my taillights are simple.
I do believe they recommend applying the film with the lights on the car. With the lights off the car they can move around easily while you try to apply the film. With the lights on the car they aren't going anywhere.
Yeah, but you have no room to work with them towards the edges. I think it'd be ok wrapping them out of the car. I wrap stuff at work for prototype parts without any fixtures.
Quote from: MrH on November 30, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Yeah, I basically have pre-cut Lamin-X for my taillights. Just need to do it tomorrow. People are saying it's easier with the taillights on the car, but I have a hard time believing that. Unfortunately my taillights are a nasty shape to wrap. Gotta snag the roommate's girlfriend's hair dryer tomorrow to do it :lol:
You can just admit that you have a hairdryer.
I don't have enough hair to warrant one :(
I wish I needed a hair dryer.
I bought a hair dryer years ago. Really handy for curing some expoxies quickly.
By curing apoxies, you mean drying your balls right?
(http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/acatalog/cfs-west-system-epoxy-105-205-l.jpg)
Quote from: MrH on December 05, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
By curing apoxies, you mean drying your balls right?
LOL
I can't believe all that's fucking happened in 46 pages is you got some fucking lightbulbs.
lol
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 05, 2012, 10:27:56 PM
I can't believe all that's fucking happened in 46 pages is you got some fucking lightbulbs.
A shit ton more things have been happenong in the Accent thread. Everyone should migrate over there. Very happy good time.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 05, 2012, 10:27:56 PM
I can't believe all that's fucking happened in 46 pages is you got some fucking lightbulbs.
I agree, it's pretty bad, but in 35 pages of your thread all you've talked about are Thermofhqwhgads and Quadrajunks. :devil:
Quote from: thecarnut on December 06, 2012, 04:52:30 AM
I agree, it's pretty bad, but in 35 pages of your thread all you've talked about are Thermofhqwhgads and Quadrajunks. :devil:
"So, I took teh thermocoupling sassafrass knob and adjusted it three clicks under, but Thermofhqwhgads just won't do what I want it to do. Oh, and I drove waggin today. That's about it. Later, gaiz."
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 05, 2012, 10:27:56 PM
I can't believe all that's fucking happened in 46 pages is you got some fucking lightbulbs.
:lol:
Hey, I bought snow tires too. What were you expecting, an engine swap?
I demand videos of doritos by tomorrow.
I need a sexy videographer for that :(
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2012, 11:05:22 AM
I need a sexy videographer for that :(
Go find a doritos spokesperson.
Remember 3D Doritos? Those were great.
Their loudest advocates are just fat, poor people
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
Their loudest advocates are just fat, poor people
And Ali Landry.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=27655.msg1818332#msg1818332 date=1354817741
And Ali Landry.
I only wish eating Doritos made a woman look like this
(http://cdn.stripersonline.com/4/45/45281207_vbattach178912.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on December 06, 2012, 11:18:03 AM
I only wish eating Doritos made a woman look like this
(http://cdn.stripersonline.com/4/45/45281207_vbattach178912.jpg)
46 pages and finally something worthwhile in this thread
:lol:
I wish the BRZ brought in hot ladies like Doritos do... :(
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
Their loudest advocates are just fat, poor people
Lots of those in Dayton.
Fact.
You know you can't resist....
3D doritos smelled like ass but tasted so good.
LOL
Quote from: thecarnut on December 06, 2012, 04:52:30 AM
I agree, it's pretty bad, but in 35 pages of your thread all you've talked about are Thermofhqwhgads and Quadrajunks. :devil:
Yes but that was a worthy quest for better mpjees and behavior. I have found that with Quadrajunk. At least the behavior part. So now we can get back to fun stuff like "what's that noise that sounds like a piece of rebar being plucked once"
Quote from: MrH on December 06, 2012, 11:29:06 AM
:lol:
I wish the BRZ brought in hot ladies like Doritos do... :(
Paint it with gangster rap dollar signs and crap
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 07, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
Paint it with gangster rap dollar signs and crap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EtJVlZtOY&
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 07, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EtJVlZtOY&
LOL
As much as I hate wagon wheels and jacked up sedans, I always admire the paint and (generally) cleanliness of design most of those have. There are several cereal boxes and other funnies around here.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 07, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EtJVlZtOY&
It's like a hillbilly and a rapper got together and built a blinged out monster truck...
I agree, I usually admire the paintjobs those cars have, and respect the caricature aesthetic that donks have.
I still think they're kinda stupid, though.
At least it'd be extremely hard to steal those wheels vs. some Watanabes off some wanker's Civic.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 08, 2012, 09:31:59 PM
At least it'd be extremely hard to steal those wheels vs. some Watanabes off some wanker's Civic.
Jakes on you, those Watanabes were actually Rotas LOL
Aahh, Jake, get off me!
Finally got to sit in a BRZ at the dealership show room. It was like slipping on the most comfortable and stylish gloves I've ever tried. The ergonomics and interior layout and materials are perfect, and it's now at the top of my list. It's only available in 4 colours up here... Subaru blue, black, white and red, so I'm also going to look at the Scion. I'm really liking it in Hot Lava orange.
:rockon: Fuck. Yeah.
It sounds like you're doing really well financially and had budgeted for your sports car. But honestly, it's a hell of a bargain. Still puts a huge smile on my face, and there is nothing I'd rather have right now unless you start talking Porsche Cayman or BMW M3 kind of money. It's pretty amazing to think it's the sharpest driving car from the price bracket of basically $26k-$60k+. If it's not your daily driver and you were anticipating paying a lot more, you could always dump another $6k-$7k into it and have a 13 sec 1/4 mile car. AVO turbo is putting out a turbo kit for under $5k that gets you 330 hp at the crank. That combined with 2700 lbs is a hell of a car. Throw some nice wheels, sticky wide summer tires, upgraded pads and you're set.
If nothing else, it's worth a test drive. I'm loving the blue, but if I had to do it all over, I think it would be equally likely that I would get black. I got a friend who got a BRZ in black...it's slick.
Black is good for showing swirlmarks and dirt.
Definitely thinking Hot Lava Orange FR-S. First mod will be a set of MOMO Darkblades. They're only $169 each in 17".
(http://www.carid.com/images/momo/wheels/momo-dark-blade-anthracite-machined-accents.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on December 15, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Definitely thinking Hot Lava Orange FR-S. First mod will be a set of MOMO Darkblades. They're only $169 each in 17".
(http://www.carid.com/images/momo/wheels/momo-dark-blade-anthracite-machined-accents.jpg)
That's my color too.
passed an FR-S in orange yesterday. They're hot. I would still want the Subie though. Seems like a paintjob on a new car would be cheaper than trying to add the interior goodies..
Yeah, but a lot of people don't care about the added features. I wouldn't try repainting a brand new car though, that's kind of crazy.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2012, 11:35:36 AM
Yeah, but a lot of people don't care about the added features. I wouldn't try repainting a brand new car though, that's kind of crazy.
I would if I wanted it to look bad and rust.
Still bummed that neither Toyota nor Subaru are bringing this car to Mexico.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2012, 11:35:36 AM
Yeah, but a lot of people don't care about the added features. I wouldn't try repainting a brand new car though, that's kind of crazy.
And unless you spend some
real money, it'd never last or look as good as the factory paint.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 15, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
passed an FR-S in orange yesterday. They're hot. I would still want the Subie though. Seems like a paintjob on a new car would be cheaper than trying to add the interior goodies..
Yeah, fuck that shit. Have fun trying to sell the car later on. People are going to look at the door jambs and engine bay and see that it's a different color and just assume it was in a wreck. If you do a proper paint job, taking it completely apart, you're way past the cost difference between the FRS and BRZ, and then at that point you have a brand new car you just took apart for no good reason. If it's not put back together right you're going to be in for some nice squeaks and rattles.
Seriously, that's like the worst idea I've ever heard.
Quote from: Rockraven on December 15, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Definitely thinking Hot Lava Orange FR-S. First mod will be a set of MOMO Darkblades. They're only $169 each in 17".
(http://www.carid.com/images/momo/wheels/momo-dark-blade-anthracite-machined-accents.jpg)
How heavy are they? I'd try and go lighter than stock (or at least similar weight if you're going wider) but I'm sure you know that.
I'm also not a huge fan of the spoke design.
Quote from: thecarnut on December 15, 2012, 01:06:06 PM
How heavy are they? I'd try and go lighter than stock (or at least similar weight if you're going wider) but I'm sure you know that.
I'm also not a huge fan of the spoke design.
Same size as stock, might be negligibly heavier. The car is engineered as one of the most fun to drive in the world. Going with wider rubber may improve grip, but at the risk of taking away what makes this car so great.
Quote from: Rockraven on December 15, 2012, 01:16:14 PM
Same size as stock, might be negligibly heavier. The car is engineered as one of the most fun to drive in the world. Going with wider rubber may improve grip, but at the risk of taking away what makes this car so great.
I'm not saying you should go wider, rather that unsprung weight is important and getting heavy wheels will just make the car perform worse. I hate it when I go on the miata forums and see some ridiculous, shitty, heavy wheels on the cars. To me that just ruins the point of the car.
Quote from: thecarnut on December 15, 2012, 01:18:45 PM
I'm not saying you should go wider, rather that unsprung weight is important and getting heavy wheels will just make the car perform worse. I hate it when I go on the miata forums and see some ridiculous, shitty, heavy wheels on the cars. To me that just ruins the point of the car.
Not disagreeing. I don't think the Darkblades are any heavier than stock, and if they are it's negligible. They have a sick exotic look to them, and the dark grey would look great on an orange car.
Quote from: Rockraven on December 15, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
Not disagreeing. I don't think the Darkblades are any heavier than stock, and if they are it's negligible.
Ah ok. I think that color would look great on the lava orange.
ok so painting a brand-new car isnt smart, but why would it rust? You're just putting paint over paint.?!
As for resale, keep the receipts- show that you didn't like the original color so had it painted right away....
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 15, 2012, 03:14:09 PM
ok so painting a brand-new car isnt smart, but why would it rust? You're just putting paint over paint.?!
As for resale, keep the receipts- show that you didn't like the original color so had it painted right away....
You don't put paint over paint...
I think the nose of the briz looks way better than the friz
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/09/Picture-courtesy-motortrend.com_.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on December 15, 2012, 03:31:09 PM
You don't put paint over paint...
Yes you do. They do it all the time. They even do it in the factory sometimes. You don't want to do it too many times however.
Quote from: thecarnut on December 15, 2012, 03:31:09 PM
You don't put paint over paint...
Sand it first, but yes you do.
Yep, now I'd never want my car painted over more then two times myself. You need the paint to be able to expand in the heat and if you paint over it too many times then it will crack.
But if your car has had bodywork done on it then your paint has been painted over again.
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
:rockon: Fuck. Yeah.
It sounds like you're doing really well financially and had budgeted for your sports car. But honestly, it's a hell of a bargain. Still puts a huge smile on my face, and there is nothing I'd rather have right now unless you start talking Porsche Cayman or BMW M3 kind of money. It's pretty amazing to think it's the sharpest driving car from the price bracket of basically $26k-$60k+. If it's not your daily driver and you were anticipating paying a lot more, you could always dump another $6k-$7k into it and have a 13 sec 1/4 mile car. AVO turbo is putting out a turbo kit for under $5k that gets you 330 hp at the crank. That combined with 2700 lbs is a hell of a car. Throw some nice wheels, sticky wide summer tires, upgraded pads and you're set.
If nothing else, it's worth a test drive. I'm loving the blue, but if I had to do it all over, I think it would be equally likely that I would get black. I got a friend who got a BRZ in black...it's slick.
I'd get it in the dark gray color.
Quote from: thecarnut on December 15, 2012, 01:06:06 PM
How heavy are they? I'd try and go lighter than stock (or at least similar weight if you're going wider) but I'm sure you know that.
I'm also not a huge fan of the spoke design.
The spokes look like the part of a ceiling fan that connects the blades to the motor.
They remind me of the crazy wheel covers on Ford Fusions:
(http://www.maximemotors.eu/images/p052_1_00.jpg)
(http://content.homenetiol.com/640x480/13a1e63488404ce9a08db58d8ed42318.jpg)
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 15, 2012, 04:32:42 PM
I think the nose of the briz looks way better than the friz
(http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/09/Picture-courtesy-motortrend.com_.jpg)
Them are some fancy Japanese jackets. Way nicer than what our Japanese wear.
Well I doubt the headlight monkeys are that high up on the ladder compared to the other guys.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 16, 2012, 01:10:51 AM
Well I doubt the headlight monkeys are that high up on the ladder compared to the other guys.
Huh?
Those guys are probably Subaru engineers.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 15, 2012, 11:53:41 PM
They remind me of the crazy wheel covers on Ford Fusions:
(http://www.maximemotors.eu/images/p052_1_00.jpg)
(http://content.homenetiol.com/640x480/13a1e63488404ce9a08db58d8ed42318.jpg)
Those are Darkblades on the black car. It's all moot anyways because they don't come in 17x7", only 7.5" and I wouldn't want to put wider tires on it. There's other wheels I'm looking at but I really liked those.
I built an FR-S online. Starts at $25,995 up here and I added TRD intake and exhaust and upgraded Pioneer stereo. Taxes and fees all in I'm looking at just over $33k. I'd put 15k down and finance over 48 months. There's a nice Hot Lava demo for sale about 50 kms away with 2000kms on the clock, but without the upgrades and it's still 28k. New is the only way to go with this car right now, and it's quite a bargain considering the local Ford dealer has a $32,000 FOCUS sitting on the lot. :mask:
Quote from: Rockraven on December 16, 2012, 07:21:26 AM
Those are Darkblades on the black car. It's all moot anyways because they don't come in 17x7", only 7.5" and I wouldn't want to put wider tires on it. There's other wheels I'm looking at but I really liked those.
0.5" doesn't matter
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 16, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
0.5" doesn't matter
I must quarrel with you regarding this matter.
Quote from: Rockraven on December 16, 2012, 07:21:26 AM
Those are Darkblades on the black car. It's all moot anyways because they don't come in 17x7", only 7.5" and I wouldn't want to put wider tires on it. There's other wheels I'm looking at but I really liked those.
The stock tire size is 215. You can put those on a 7.5" wheel no problem. :huh:
You wouldn't even get ricer stretch or anything at that width.
Also, if I got this car, I'd definitely put it on 17x9 gold RPF1's with 245 tires. :lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 16, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
I disagree! 0.5" matters quite a bit!
The tires will still fit.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 16, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
The tires will still fit.
But the sidewall angle will be different, affecting the contact patch, steering feel, and breakaway characteristics!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 16, 2012, 12:09:39 PM
But the sidewall angle will be different, affecting the contact patch, steering feel, and breakaway characteristics!
That would be hard to notice.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 16, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
That would be hard to notice.
I notice. Because I have obviously driven the same car with the same tires on two different wheel sizes.
Quote from: Rockraven on June 30, 2012, 01:26:34 PM
Yeah, don't de-badge it.
Ontario requires a front plate, and the fuckers pulled me over 2 weeks after I arrived here for no front plate, and I told them I had 90 days to get a plate. Got a warning, but I think it's a $195 fine for not having a front plate. Stupid.
Supposed to have one here, too, but I don't. Haven't been ticketed for it either.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 16, 2012, 12:09:39 PM
But the sidewall angle will be different, affecting the contact patch, steering feel, and breakaway characteristics!
+1
And that's only if the offset is the same. If it's different, the steering may tramline more or change the steering effort and feedback.
I put the stock wheels back on the Miata w/ the winter tires 2 weeks ago, and am enjoying the back to stock feel of the steering. At least until highway speed when the winter treadblocks start turning the initial turn-in feel to mush.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 16, 2012, 04:21:16 PM
+1
And that's only if the offset is the same. If it's different, the steering may tramline more or change the steering effort and feedback.
I put the stock wheels back on the Miata w/ the winter tires 2 weeks ago, and am enjoying the back to stock feel of the steering. At least until highway speed when the winter treadblocks start turning the initial turn-in feel to mush.
Did yours have 14s originally?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 16, 2012, 04:39:39 PM
Did yours have 14s originally?
yerp. Looks feminine as all get out, but the steering, ride, and gas mileage are quite a bit better with the stock wheels.
Quote from: thecarnut on December 15, 2012, 03:31:09 PM
You don't put paint over paint...
I've never heard of a paintplace stripping the car first. :huh:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 16, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
I've never heard of a paintplace stripping the car first. :huh:
I always thought the proper way to do it was to at least strip it down past the clear to the paint (or better yet, the primer). :huh:
Either way, it's pretty clear that repainting a new car is pretty dumb. :huh:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 16, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
yerp. Looks feminine as all get out, but the steering, ride, and gas mileage are quite a bit better with the stock wheels.
How's the steering any different? I've only ever had 15s on mine.
I like this spoiler.
(http://i.imgur.com/OupKH.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on December 16, 2012, 08:11:08 PM
I like this spoiler.
(http://i.imgur.com/OupKH.jpg)
Me too, the OEM trunk curve is kinda boring.
DON'T put exhaust tips on that go 3ft behind the car though.... :facepalm:
God, why would somebody put a fucking sticker on their car like that? It sticks out like a pus filled zit on a hot girl's face.
That spoiler is hot.
Quote from: SVT666 on December 16, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
That spoiler is hot.
It really suits the car. I hate wings.
I still think you should get an FFR Cobra.
I really dislike the orange, honestly, but that spoiler looks good.
Yeah, there's a couple of duck bill style spoilers that look really good. They're expensive when you consider the cost of buying and painting one though.
You should focus on increasing your exhaust tip protrusion. For the ladies.
I do want to get bigger exhaust tips. Is that also ricer-esque? The japanese/euro version has 86mm diameter tips and it looks soooo much better. The US ones are wimpy and don't fit the bumper cut out shape right.
I could go with just tips, or go full Nameless performance exhaust :mask:
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2012, 07:40:43 AM
I do want to get bigger exhaust tips. Is that also ricer-esque? The japanese/euro version has 86mm diameter tips and it looks soooo much better. The US ones are wimpy and don't fit the bumper cut out shape right.
YES it's ricer. :lol: But as long as you're getting bigger that still fit and aren't gaudy or just put on for the attention it's a'right.
But DON'T put any fart cannons or extra protrusion on. (see that orange FRS Rockraven posted last page..)
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2012, 07:40:43 AM
I do want to get bigger exhaust tips. Is that also ricer-esque? The japanese/euro version has 86mm diameter tips and it looks soooo much better. The US ones are wimpy and don't fit the bumper cut out shape right.
I could go with just tips, or go full Nameless performance exhaust :mask:
Wait. The US car does not have 86mm tips!? This is unscrupulous!
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 16, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
How's the steering any different? I've only ever had 15s on mine.
The wheels have a different offset, so the steering effort increases, tramlining increases, on center feedback is diminished a bit.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 17, 2012, 07:50:48 AM
The wheels have a different offset, so the steering effort increases, tramlining increases, on center feedback is diminished a bit.
Scrub radius is best kept to a minimum.
Quote from: MrH on December 17, 2012, 07:40:43 AM
I do want to get bigger exhaust tips. Is that also ricer-esque? The japanese/euro version has 86mm diameter tips and it looks soooo much better. The US ones are wimpy and don't fit the bumper cut out shape right.
I could go with just tips, or go full Nameless performance exhaust :mask:
Yeah, but everything else you've done is rice too, don't stop now.
Quote from: Raza on December 17, 2012, 09:10:29 AM
Yeah, but everything else you've done is rice too, don't stop now.
I got the Raza seal of approval. I'm set now, right?
I don't think much of anything you've done is actually rice.
Rice, no. Boring, yes. It's turbo time.
I finally test drove one of the twins, the FRS. I was going to test drive the BRZ as well, but they didn't have any manuals and they were about the close. First off the size of this car is just about perfect. it's well packaged to be usable on the inside. Everything seemed economical but nothing felt cheap or poorly made in the interior. Getting into the car, I sit noticeably higher than the Z06, which is to be expected, but overall visibility was good and I had no complaints. The clutch is extremely light, basically without any heft at all. The shifter is extremely low effort as well, but it's not as mechanical as others have made it out to be. It gets notchy at times, but doesn't feel particularly substantial. Setting off was a little jerky at first because of the ultra light clutch and I couldn't find the engagement point well at first. Overall the engine was definitely usable, and acceptably smooth. The issue with this drivetrain is that it never begs you to ring it out, never entices you with the noises or vibes it makes. Overall the steering is good. It definitely has that electric steering feeling sense about it, it's hard to describe. I was impressed with how it transmitted decent road feedback. The ride was firm, but well controlled. There was a fair amount of road and engine noise but not a deal breaker. Overall I came out of the test drive without strong impressions. It's a fairly capable car, even reasonably practical, and I think a great entry car for someone getting into RWD. All in all it's a great car and the kind of car we've all been clamoring for for years. The problem was there wasn't really any part that felt particularly special. I think Road and Track mentioned the same issue with their long term BRZ.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/long-term-tests/test-car-intro-2013-subaru-brz-1 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/long-term-tests/test-car-intro-2013-subaru-brz-1)
I remember test driving the EVO, STI, S2000, RX8 way back in the day. They were all flawed in some fundamental way, but they all felt very special and memorable in their own way. Granted the BRZ/FRS isn't suppose to be competing on the same level as those cars were, yet it's disappointingly lacking personality or a sense of character.
On the plus side, my local Subaru dealer is doing 1500 or more off MRSP on all BRZs now, which really makes getting the FRS kinda pointless. Supposedly the BRZ somehow manages to sound sweeter according to some reports, and MT seems to prefer its steering/handling characteristics, so I had the dealer call me when they get a manual in so I can try it out.
Remove garbage tires, replace with Starspecs or PSS. And PLEASE go bigger on the wheels/tires. 225s would probably feel great on this car. I'm sure your gf/wife wouldn't mind the extra .5 of girth. On the wheels. :winkguy:
Quote from: Char on December 23, 2012, 05:00:01 PM
Remove garbage tires, replace with Starspecs or PSS. And PLEASE go bigger on the wheels/tires. 225s would probably feel great on this car. I'm sure your gf/wife wouldn't mind the extra .5 of girth. On the wheels. :winkguy:
Wider/stickier tires do two things: increase lateral and medial traction on dry tarmac. There is also the potential for increasing unsprung weight, and moment of inertia, but I will ignore those problems for now. What I would rather discuss is how arbitrarily increasing traction may not be desireable.
Vehicles are designed by the manufacturer with certain tires in mind. Many dynamic parameters of the vehicle's suspenion are dependent on the tire to work as expected. The relavent affected dynamic parameters include roll rate, pitch rate, wheel rate, toe, and camber. Each of those parameters is critical in determining the handling characteristics of the vehicle. They are dependent on suspension travel, which is caused by weight transfer, assuming a smooth road surface. The amount of weight that is transferred is dependent on acceleration of the vehicle around its center of gravity, and the quantity of this acceleration is universally dependent on the traction of the tires. When increasing the traction of the tires beyond the manufacturer's specifications it must be understood that it is effectively retuning the suspension.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 23, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
Wider/stickier tires do two things: increase lateral and medial traction on dry tarmac. There is also the potential for increasing unsprung weight, and moment of inertia, but I will ignore those problems for now. What I would rather discuss is how arbitrarily increasing traction may not be desireable.
Vehicles are designed by the manufacturer with certain tires in mind. Many dynamic parameters of the vehicle's suspenion are dependent on the tire to work as expected. The relavent affected dynamic parameters include roll rate, pitch rate, wheel rate, toe, and camber. Each of those parameters is critical in determining the handling characteristics of the vehicle. They are dependent on suspension travel, which is caused by weight transfer, assuming a smooth road surface. The amount of weight that is transferred is dependent on acceleration of the vehicle around its center of gravity, and the quantity of this acceleration is universally dependent on the traction of the tires. When increasing the traction of the tires beyond the manufacturer's specifications it must be understood that it is effectively retuning the suspension.
You're not telling me anything I don't know. Stock tires are garbage, and unless he's using a tire temperature gauge to find out that he's rolling over tire, your concerns of using a larger than stock width tire are irrelevant.
Quote from: Char on December 23, 2012, 08:21:28 PM
You're not telling me anything I don't know. Stock tires are garbage, and unless he's using a tire temperature gauge to find out that he's rolling over tire, your concerns of using a larger than stock width tire are irrelevant.
You do not seem to understand, but I will not repeat myself.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 23, 2012, 08:30:35 PM
You do not seem to understand, but I will not repeat myself.
Heh.
I see what you're saying though, definitely a concern.
(http://picsthatdontsuck.com/img/troll-physics-car.jpg)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 23, 2012, 08:30:35 PM
You do not seem to understand, but I will not repeat myself.
No I understand perfectly. Your assumption is the car was designed to be equipped with a specific brand of tire, assuming that the suspension was tuned to meet the demands of the tires themselves. Probably wasn't the case. More than likely the tires were a result of compromise of price, availability and finally performance. The Subaru and Scion deviate when it comes to shock valving, spring rates, and more than likely alignment. If they deviation between the two is that wide and both are able to use the same tires, I doubt changes in rubber compound would
drastically change the behavior of the car.
So please, don't repeat yourself. Don't say anythng else at all.
Quote from: Char on December 24, 2012, 09:46:11 AM
I doubt changes in rubber compound would drastically change the behavior of the car.
-1
Obviously it won't be a totally different car with different tires, but when you come down to tenths of a second on laptimes, tires could make all the difference. That's "Drastic" in performance terms, while most drivers getting to work wouldn't notice anything (NOT drastic)....
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 28, 2012, 09:32:53 AM
-1
Obviously it won't be a totally different car with different tires, but when you come down to tenths of a second on laptimes, tires could make all the difference. That's "Drastic" in performance terms, while most drivers getting to work wouldn't notice anything (NOT drastic)....
You clearly haven't seen how I drive to work :lol:
Quote from: MrH on December 28, 2012, 10:24:20 AM
You clearly haven't seen how I drive to work :lol:
Oh trust me, I do my bestest to get the tail out (safely of course) and floor it every single light. But a change of tires wouldn't be super-dramatic for most regular street driving. But could make dramatic difference on the track.
Well, I got the take the BRZ for a spin, by myself no less without the salesmen. Maybe it was just the absence of the salesmen, but the drive was a lot sweeter than the FRS. The drivetrain just felt a little smoother and the whole feel of the car was just a bit better. The dealer is offering about 25000 flat for the premium version, which is about 1500 off. I'm kinda tempted.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 28, 2012, 12:13:43 PM
Oh trust me, I do my bestest to get the tail out (safely of course) and floor it every single light. But a change of tires wouldn't be super-dramatic for most regular street driving. But could make dramatic difference on the track.
My Jetta felt distinctly different on each different set of tires I put on it, and I never once tracked it. I drove sideways a lot, spun the wheels a lot, did handbrake turns, and raced illegally a bunch, but I never tracked it.
Tires made a pretty substantial difference to the driving dynamics of my car. As I said in another thread, high performance summer tires eliminated a lot of understeer in my car.
Quote from: Raza on December 30, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
but I never tracked it.
Yes you did. Just not on a track. ;)
That kind of driving is when you WOULD feel a difference. Most drivers fail to come close to max G's their car can do...
H, I was jealous of your car when you got it. After finally having driven one, I can't explain to you how jealous I am now.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 16, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
How's the steering any different? I've only ever had 15s on mine.
Different size/width wheels may have a smaller scrub radius, which would change steering feel somewhat.
Quote from: Char on December 24, 2012, 09:46:11 AM
No I understand perfectly. Your assumption is the car was designed to be equipped with a specific brand of tire, assuming that the suspension was tuned to meet the demands of the tires themselves. Probably wasn't the case. More than likely the tires were a result of compromise of price, availability and finally performance. The Subaru and Scion deviate when it comes to shock valving, spring rates, and more than likely alignment. If they deviation between the two is that wide and both are able to use the same tires, I doubt changes in rubber compound would drastically change the behavior of the car.
So please, don't repeat yourself. Don't say anythng else at all.
I would tend to agree with this. From a tuning perspective, tires and tire pressure are the last step in the overall process, after alignment, spring/shock, and sway bars.
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 30, 2012, 06:46:05 PM
H, I was jealous of your car when you got it. After finally having driven one, I can't explain to you how jealous I am now.
STOP IT
I'm getting more jealouser too.
The Audi dealership I got A4 from is also a Subaru dealership. Perhaps on my next scheduled maintenance I'll just...trade. Ya know?
Just do it. Don't suffer from the sunk cost fallacy.
Let's get this thread back on track:
(http://i.imgur.com/yz8HKoi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZBF5mFM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NYG3FgY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3cgiKha.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/094ZLyx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/t4SATxx.jpg)
Me gusta.
I know I mocked you at first, but now a turbo does sound really tempting :lol:
(http://steamykitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/how-to-microwave-rice-recipe-8144.jpg)
Yeah, just clicked to see what the latest rice is. I am disappoint.
needs more AZN
I think your wing is too small.
Just saw a blue BRZ exactly like yours except it was lowered down and had all sorts of weird camber in the back. How sad.
Quote from: thecarnut on January 26, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Just saw a blue BRZ exactly like yours except it was lowered down and had all sorts of weird camber in the back.
:rockon:
Quote from: thecarnut on January 26, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Just saw a blue BRZ exactly like yours except it was lowered down and had all sorts of weird camber in the back. How sad.
I think we all knew this car was a prime target for idiots who wanted to ruin it.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 26, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
I think we all knew this car was a prime target for idiots who wanted to ruin it.
Makes me sad to see all this hard work and engineering spent on making the car handle well all wasted for some mad tyte stance. :cry:
What the fuck is going on in here?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on January 26, 2013, 07:30:57 PM
An orgy. You in?
I've been taking care of myself, but I don't mind if someone else wants to help.
Quote from: MrH on January 26, 2013, 11:27:48 AM
I know I mocked you at first, but now a turbo does sound really tempting :lol:
:lol:
I need to dig up a highly relevant comic later...
It's up on my Stalkerbook page. (The comic in question).
Right now there are zero BRZs available in Ontario, and I found 3 FR-S... all automatic. :facepalm:
Quote from: Rockraven on January 27, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
Right now there are zero BRZs available in Ontario, and I found 3 FR-S... all automatic. :facepalm:
What kind of persons with functioning limbs would buy such a thing?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2013, 11:50:30 AM
What kind of persons with functioning limbs would buy such a thing?
A real fag.
I guess the dealer orders in what he thinks he can sell. I hope those automatics rot on his lot.
When I went to a Toyota dealership with a friend, all of their manuals had "sold" signs on them and there was one dusty automatic one way in the back lot.
I hope they don't sell many automatics so they'll stop ordering those. :lol:
Miatas are even worse, it seems. For every manual car there were about 10 automatics. :wtf:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/156386_362151100559651_1098536641_n.jpg
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/156386_362151100559651_1098536641_n.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on January 27, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
When I went to a Toyota dealership with a friend, all of their manuals had "sold" signs on them and there was one dusty automatic one way in the back lot.
I hope they don't sell many automatics so they'll stop ordering those. :lol:
Miatas are even worse, it seems. For every manual car there were about 10 automatics. :wtf:
The dealerships don't always order them that way. One of the regulars in my AutoX region is a Scion salesman. Since the local Scion dealer sponsors the club, he brought a new FRS to an event so people could check it out. It was a silver automatic. When asked if they'd gotten any manuals to sell, he said "this is what they sent us, we didn't have any say in what we got". When asked if there'd been a lot of interest at the dealership, he said "I don't know how we're going to sell this car, everyone who has stopped by to check it out has asked if we had one in a more exciting color and/or with a stick shift".
Quote from: MX793 on January 27, 2013, 12:23:11 PM
The dealerships don't always order them that way. One of the regulars in my AutoX region is a Scion salesman. Since the local Scion dealer sponsors the club, he brought a new FRS to an event so people could check it out. It was a silver automatic. When asked if they'd gotten any manuals to sell, he said "this is what they sent us, we didn't have any say in what we got". When asked if there'd been a lot of interest at the dealership, he said "I don't know how we're going to sell this car, everyone who has stopped by to check it out has asked if we had one in a more exciting color and/or with a stick shift".
Yeah, the one I saw was a white automatic.
Interestingly enough, ALL the manual cars are always sold, no matter what the color is.
After all that carspin hype about the Tobaru I finally testdrove one yesterday. Had lots of fun. I am going to write a review and post some pics as soon as I have some time. Prepare for some surprising stuff... :ohyeah:
Quote from: Pommes-T on January 27, 2013, 02:25:41 PM
After all that carspin hype about the Tobaru I finally testdrove one yesterday. Had lots of fun. I am going to write a review and post some pics as soon as I have some time. Prepare for some surprising stuff... :ohyeah:
A German praising a Japanese car, without resorting to a 48-point font or a :devil: smiley? Cannot believe.
Quote from: Laconian on January 27, 2013, 02:48:49 PM
A German praising a Japanese car, without resorting to a 48-point font or a :devil: smiley? Cannot believe.
well, actually there was one big thing about that car, I didn't like. But maybe this had something to do with its giant wing on the trunk... I hope. Aside from this thing, I really enjoyed driving it a lot! :clap:
God damn, the first GT86 I've actually wanted:
(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TRD-80s-86-18.jpg)
(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TRD-80s-86-19.jpg)
I do not like.
BTW that car is all TRD.
Are those '80s Maxima wheels?
I think they might be Cressida wheels?
It's okay, I guess. Not my cup of tea.
Nope, those are TRD wheels.
They are retro versions of TRD Toscos:
(http://retrowheels.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/trd_22.jpg)
Those look like a pain to keep clean.
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 31, 2013, 09:14:01 PM
Are those '80s Maxima wheels?
No, I put those on the Swift.
Lol they pulled the A-pillar vents and put another pair of wings in its place
Quote from: Speed_Racer on January 31, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Lol they pulled the A-pillar vents and put another pair of wings in its place
Didn't even notice that :lol:
That TRD thing is hideous. The only thing I actually like about it is the exhaust. Something about two, dual exhaust tips on each side looks good to me. Too bad you have to get such a ridiculous bumper to fit them. If they just had a new lower that looked like the stock one, but with cut outs for the shape of that exhaust, I'd seriously consider it.
Quote from: thecarnut on January 31, 2013, 08:38:34 PM
God damn, the first GT86 I've actually wanted:
(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TRD-80s-86-18.jpg)
(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TRD-80s-86-19.jpg)
1. Way to take a nice looking car and make it hideous.
2. Don't give Mike any ideas.
I knew you guys wouldn't like it. :cry: :lol:
Oh well, different strokes for different folks. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on February 01, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
I knew you guys wouldn't like it. :cry: :lol:
Oh well, different strokes for different folks. :huh:
I think it looks good with properly sized street tires. The wheels look heavy, though. I also like the extra wings and the totally 80s cool louvers over the rear window.
I bet grabbing a set of wheels like that would be great for mounting a set of winter tires.
Well, I guess it was just a matter of time until someone brought back 80s styling to go with the turbo 4 banger craze...
Mike,
You might find this thread interesting:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2314670 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2314670)
(BRZ STX autocross build).
Bookmarked for reading this weekend. Thanks.
Now these...these are wheels!
(http://dudesphotography.smugmug.com/Cars/WheelDude-FRS-on-Linea-Corse/i-9WbW3tV/0/L/WDFRS-1-L.jpg)
Meh. I like the 80's looking ones.
Those rims are awesome. I also like the taillights, exhaust and Toyota badging. I do not, however, like the tints.
Not a fan of the white car
Saw a BRZ this morning on the way to work. Driven by a middle aged woman with a Rachel Maddow haircut. I don't think it was Rachel Maddow though.
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/images/7V/toyota-86-convertible3-md.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on February 15, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/images/7V/toyota-86-convertible3-md.jpg)
WHUT is that?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!
Besides the hottest thing I've ever seen.....
Quote from: 68_427 on February 15, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/images/7V/toyota-86-convertible3-md.jpg)
They should make the 'vert a 2-seater (like the Audi TT roadster).
Looks like a Celica like that.
I don't like it but it is a shitty low quality picture.
Bad panel gaps and the interior looks cheap.
Quote from: hotrodalex on February 16, 2013, 12:46:44 PM
Bad panel gaps and the interior looks cheap.
2/10 would not drive
Stop crying and fist yourself
Quote from: 68_427 on February 16, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
Stop crying and fist yourself
I could, but my arm is too short. Anyway, panel gaps. Junk.
I hate cabriolets. This looks like a cabriolet.
The word cabriolet just means convertible.
Cabriolet means bitch basket
With a capital C, yes.
H, if you start looking for suspension mods, look into RCE. Race Comp Engineering is highly regarded by the Scoob crowd for making actual performance suspension that doesn't slam the car or ride on the bump stops, and actually improve the handling.
Thanks for the link. I'm not looking to do much in terms of suspension mods right now. I'd rather just get this paid off ASAP.
I do need to buy summer wheels and tires though...I need suggestions. I want BBS CH-R, but they're $585 a piece :cry:
Quote from: MrH on March 03, 2013, 08:57:29 PM
Thanks for the link. I'm not looking to do much in terms of suspension mods right now. I'd rather just get this paid off ASAP.
I do need to buy summer wheels and tires though...I need suggestions. I want BBS CH-R, but they're $585 a piece :cry:
[biased]Kosei K4R[/biased]
CH aren't that light either. Cr kai ftw
Oh, no. Those are nasty.
I love the Work VS XX wheels, but not at $700+ a wheel.
Anyone know anything about XXR wheels? Look great, pretty cheap, light...
Quote from: MrH on March 04, 2013, 10:21:56 AM
Oh, no. Those are nasty.
I love the Work VS XX wheels, but not at $700+ a wheel.
Anyone know anything about XXR wheels? Look great, pretty cheap, light...
I'm pretty sure XXR's are heavy. Heavier than equivalently sized Enkei's and such.
I recommend Drag Dr-16 wheels in 15x7 with polished lips and bronze centers for that real two-piece look.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 04, 2013, 10:31:21 AM
I'm pretty sure XXR's are heavy. Heavier than equivalently sized Enkei's and such.
Stock wheels are 20 lbs. These are about the same. How about ESM wheels? One lb heavier, but a bit wider? Looking at BBS LSM knockoffs basically.
http://esmwheels.com/access/esm-004-gm-17-p-176.html (http://esmwheels.com/access/esm-004-gm-17-p-176.html)
Stock wheels are 20lb for 17x7?! :mask:
If you're looking to stay the same then yeah XXR's would probably work. I just thought they were too heavy when I was looking at wheels.
I've never heard about ESM. They look OK but are pretty expensive considering the weight.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 04, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
I recommend Drag Dr-16 wheels in 15x7 with polished lips and bronze centers for that real two-piece look.
I don't think 15s would even clear the calipers.
Looking at 17s and 18s.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 04, 2013, 10:45:35 AM
Stock wheels are 20lb for 17x7?! :mask:
If you're looking to stay the same then yeah XXR's would probably work. I just thought they were too heavy when I was looking at wheels.
I've never heard about ESM. They look OK but are pretty expensive considering the weight.
<$200 per wheel doesn't seem bad to me :huh:
Quote from: MrH on March 04, 2013, 10:46:45 AM
<$200 per wheel doesn't seem bad to me :huh:
I guess. I dunno, $175 just seems a lot for knockoffs.
Enkei PF01's are nice.
Quote from: thecarnut on March 04, 2013, 10:45:35 AM
Stock wheels are 20lb for 17x7?! :mask:
If you're looking to stay the same then yeah XXR's would probably work. I just thought they were too heavy when I was looking at wheels.
I've never heard about ESM. They look OK but are pretty expensive considering the weight.
I went through the design catalogue for VW wheels and found mine once. I asked the parts guy what they weighed. He said "I don't know, 20 to 25 pounds". I didn't say anything, but 5 pounds is a huge difference! 25% weight increase is enormous.
Mike, have you checked out TRM wheels?
(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/trm/swap/trm_c2_lg_ci3_l.jpg)
TRM C2, 18x8, 19.2 lb, $164 each.
I think they look pretty cool. People on miata.net love them.
I hate 5 and 6 spoke wheels.
I do like these quite a bit:
(http://www.tsw.com/img/nurburgring_bronze_pop_std.jpg)
Those look awesome, especially in that color. Google says ~18.5 lb for a 17x8.
Yeah, the matte bronze would be pretty cool with the rally blue. They pinch in a little oddly though towards the middle.
(http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23898&stc=1&d=1356819791)
These look great too:
(http://www.wheeldude.com/catalog/img/lemans_1885_hb_02.jpg)
Also, these in a smaller size:
(http://www.hrewheels.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW_Z4_590RS_SIDE_LOW.jpg)
IMO XXR 527's don't look that good on your car:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/kruxog/A36EF539-4495-4502-9B1B-3FBB8B0AA5E0-85350-00008EA7E0254E30.jpg)
I was looking at the 530 model:
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/truestreetindustries/FR-S/CC7.jpg)
Yeah those look nice.
To be fair, the picture I posted of the 527's is pretty unflattering. Bad angle and the car is at stock height.
This looks nice:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7750744360_55114b6df5_c.jpg)
Not as nice as the 530s, though.
I can't see the pic...
But these! :wub:
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/368/529/38417764002_large.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/7750744360_55114b6df5_c_zpsdcea0324.jpg)
Can you see it now?
BTW I'm not a fan of the huge lips on those wheels on the S2000.
Not liking the super sucked in center look of those.
Linea corse?
Dunno the weight but bmw people buy them up. Of course look for used bbs wheels. Too bad the sti wherls are dif lug pattern? The 18in bbs would look awesome on your car.
I like these too, but not sure what they are.
(http://www.wheeldude.com/wordpress/wp-content/themes/gluttony/images/banner.jpg)
Quote from: thecarnut on March 04, 2013, 01:07:29 PM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/7750744360_55114b6df5_c_zpsdcea0324.jpg)
Can you see it now?
BTW I'm not a fan of the huge lips on those wheels on the S2000.
Those are awesome wheels. I love them. I hate the style of wheel on that S2000 as well. Those are hideous.
Quote from: SVT666 on March 04, 2013, 02:10:12 PM
Those are awesome wheels. I love them. I hate the style of wheel on that S2000 as well. Those are hideous.
Yeah I think they look good on that car. Sounds like Mike wants wheels with giant lips. What a ricer. :rolleyes: :wanker:
:lol:
Quote from: MrH on March 03, 2013, 08:57:29 PM
Thanks for the link. I'm not looking to do much in terms of suspension mods right now. I'd rather just get this paid off ASAP.
I do need to buy summer wheels and tires though...I need suggestions. I want BBS CH-R, but they're $585 a piece :cry:
I think any WRX wheel (5x100) will fit well. Something in the 17x8 range with some RE-1s would be sex. Rota is popular with this crowd, and decent for the money (i.e. trackable without breakage).
On second thought, I should check the wheel offset on this vs the Impreza. May be different.
Actually, not sure what the current deals are on tires. But in terms of wheels, should be a lot of options.
Quote from: MrH on March 04, 2013, 01:12:30 PM
Not liking the super sucked in center look of those.
I love sucked in centers and big lips! :wub:
XXR is a cheap knockoff brand that stance idiots like.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 04, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
XXR is a cheap knockoff brand that stance idiots like.
Wheels is wheels. Round is round.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 04, 2013, 06:33:59 PM
Wheels is wheels. Round is round.
Not if they're shitty metal.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 04, 2013, 06:35:35 PM
Not if they're shitty metal.
Metal is metal. cast pig iron china wheels are wheels
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 04, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
XXR is a cheap knockoff brand that stance idiots like.
SSR knock offs, I presume?
Honestly I think if you're going to ever autocross or track the car you should get some lighter stuff. Enkeis and Koseis will take 5+ lb off each corner and that's a lot of unsprung mass.
It will never be autocrossed or tracked, only given more LEDs.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 04, 2013, 08:51:32 PM
It will never be autocrossed or tracked, only given more LEDs.
Yes
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 04, 2013, 08:51:32 PM
It will never be autocrossed or tracked, only given more LEDs.
That's perfect for racing. Light is the fastest thing in the universe.
Its so fast it has been banned from most race cars.
I concur with light wheels (and tires, for that matter). I got the second lightest wheels I could find in my price range, only because the lightest ones were out of stock. It doesn't matter if it only gets LEDs and never sees a track, the light improves ride, handling, acceleration and fuel economy.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on March 04, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
I concur with light wheels (and tires, for that matter). I got the second lightest wheels I could find in my price range, only because the lightest ones were out of stock. It doesn't matter if it only gets LEDs and never sees a track, the light improves ride, handling, acceleration and fuel economy.
Exactly, and LEDS positively emit light diodically.
Mucho indeed. And what is the easiest way to integrate lightness into wheels?
(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/607731603/Free-shipping-Intelligent-7-colour-Auto-Bike-Motorcycle-Tyre-Valve-Caps-Wheel-LED-Flash-Tyre-Wheel.jpg)
Diodically emitted lights built into the caps of the tyre wheel valves!
Since Mike will never decide on wheels... I got these for free. Way lighter than my stock onez.
(http://i.imgur.com/BIXyHJX.jpg)
Dig that weight-saving rust brah
And my underside protection on the side of the road.
Figured I'd revive this thread. The wheels search is dependent on what I hear back from some e-mails I sent out, but it's pretty much done. Should have something mounted by this upcoming weekend.
Things going on when I mount the new wheels:
-OEM mudflaps
-Oil change
Looking into a few things:
-Maybe a new exhaust from headers back
-Maybe new suspension with adjustable dampers
Then cheap stupid ricer things you guys hate:
-Clear corners
-Dash cam
-Backup camera
-silly interior bits
-shorty antenna
Mid Ohio this summer :rockon:
What exact size wheel/tire are you going for, btw? Just curious. I got the impression that they weren't huge.
Quote from: S204STi on April 17, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
What exact size wheel/tire are you going for, btw? Just curious. I got the impression that they weren't huge.
They're huge.
Quote from: S204STi on April 17, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
What exact size wheel/tire are you going for, btw? Just curious. I got the impression that they weren't huge.
17"x 9" RPF1 wheels, 245/40/17 Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
Do you need 9" wide wheels for 245s or did you go with 9" because you plan on getting wider tires down the road?* My Jetta had 7" wide wheels and ran 235s, I think.
*This is a serious question
Quote from: Raza on April 17, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
Do you need 9" wide wheels for 245s or did you go with 9" because you plan on getting wider tires down the road?* My Jetta had 7" wide wheels and ran 235s, I think.
*This is a serious question
First, no way in hell your Jetta came with 235's from the factory, especially on a 7" wheel. That's not recommended at all. Google says a Wolfsburg Jetta had a 205.
Second, you can get away with running 245's on an 8" wheel but that's the max you can go and your sidewalls will be squishier, leading to decreased steering feel.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 17, 2013, 12:49:47 PM
First, no way in hell your Jetta came with 235's from the factory, especially on a 7" wheel. That's not recommended at all. Google says a Wolfsburg Jetta had a 205.
Second, you can get away with running 245's on an 8" wheel but that's the max you can go and your sidewalls will be squishier, leading to decreased steering feel.
Google is wrong here. I just double-checked, they were 225s. 205 might be for the MkIVs. I was mixing it up with the Boxster, which ran 235s up front and I once considered going to 235 width tires, but I never did.
From a few ads I found, it looks like the Classix wheels mine had were indeed 17x7 and 225/45s were the stock size.
Quote from: MrH on April 17, 2013, 12:29:45 PM
17"x 9" RPF1 wheels, 245/40/17 Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
Nice. Kudos for not going with ricetard 18s or 19s on this car.
Was the RPF1 not available in an 8" width? Because you might have been able to run that without a spacer, though, on second thought, the 9" is practically in the middle of that tire's intended range. I guess I would have gone with that as well.
Quote from: S204STi on April 17, 2013, 01:53:32 PM
Nice. Kudos for not going with ricetard 18s or 19s on this car.
Was the RPF1 not available in an 8" width? Because you might have been able to run that without a spacer.
They look like garbage (spokes bow inwards instead of just being flat on the face). I'd prefer to run the wider wheel if possible, which it is. Just need to get some spacers in there.
Quote from: MrH on April 17, 2013, 01:56:36 PM
They look like garbage (spokes bow inwards instead of just being flat on the face). I'd prefer to run the wider wheel if possible, which it is. Just need to get some spacers in there.
HAH and you guys said I was crazy that I didn't like the convex RPF1's but liked the concave ones.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 17, 2013, 12:49:47 PM
First, no way in hell your Jetta came with 235's from the factory, especially on a 7" wheel. That's not recommended at all. Google says a Wolfsburg Jetta had a 205.
Second, you can get away with running 245's on an 8" wheel but that's the max you can go and your sidewalls will be squishier, leading to decreased steering feel.
I'm running 225s, his car was probably running the same.
Quote from: CALL_911 on April 17, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
I'm running 225s, his car was probably running the same.
That makes sense because 225 is the max recommended tire for a 7" rim. 205 is just what I got off the first link I saw.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 17, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
That makes sense because 225 is the max recommended tire for a 7" rim. 205 is just what I got off the first link I saw.
Quote from: Raza on April 17, 2013, 01:08:58 PM
Google is wrong here. I just double-checked, they were 225s. 205 might be for the MkIVs. I was mixing it up with the Boxster, which ran 235s up front and I once considered going to 235 width tires, but I never did.
From a few ads I found, it looks like the Classix wheels mine had were indeed 17x7 and 225/45s were the stock size.
So fucking relax.
Quote from: Raza on April 17, 2013, 03:22:55 PM
So fucking relax.
:confused:
I never replied to your post, dumbass.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 17, 2013, 03:39:50 PM
:confused:
I never replied to your post, dumbass.
What the fuck are you talking about? Your first post, the one I responded to, was a reply to me. You missed my reply, clearly, so I quoted it for you. So fucking relax.
Quote from: Raza on April 17, 2013, 03:43:04 PM
What the fuck are you talking about? Your first post, the one I responded to, was a reply to me. You missed my reply, clearly, so I quoted it for you. So fucking relax.
Yeah, I saw your post and didn't reply to it. You're the one getting your panties in a bunch, so maybe you should relax. I aint even mad. :lol:
He mad
Quote from: thecarnut on April 17, 2013, 03:47:53 PM
Yeah, I saw your post and didn't reply to it. You're the one getting your panties in a bunch, so maybe you should relax. I aint even mad. :lol:
You're the one that freaked out because I mistakenly thought I had 235s. :huh:
Quote from: Raza on April 18, 2013, 03:57:24 AM
You're the one that freaked out because I mistakenly thought I had 235s. :huh:
I just said there was no way it came from the factory with 235s. I even explained it was unsafe. I didn't freak out. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on April 18, 2013, 07:12:59 AM
I just said there was no way it came from the factory with 235s. I even explained it was unsafe. I didn't freak out. :huh:
Well then, I misinterpreted your post. :hmm:
Quote from: Raza on April 18, 2013, 07:54:15 AM
Well then, I misinterpreted your post. :hmm:
It's OK, we're still buddies. :wub:
Whole lot of brown-on-brown hate sex going on in this thread...:lol:
I ordered 3mm spacers. Probably won't be here until next week though :cry:
Now, what comes next:
-Suspension
-Exhaust
-MORE LEDS
-RICER STICKERZ
-ANGEL EYE ERRTHING
-Pedobear + Hello Kitty stickers
Quote from: MrH on April 18, 2013, 08:55:28 AM
Whole lot of brown-on-brown hate sex going on in this thread...:lol:
I ordered 3mm spacers. Probably won't be here until next week though :cry:
Now, what comes next:
-Suspension
-Exhaust
-MORE LEDS
-RICER STICKERZ
-ANGEL EYE ERRTHING
-Pedobear + Hello Kitty stickers
WTF, why are you copying my Hello Kitty? :rage:
Quote from: thecarnut on April 18, 2013, 10:15:24 AM
WTF, why are you copying my Hello Kitty? :rage:
:lol:
I'm thinking about returing my rpf1's, getting even wider wheels, running 205's on them, then putting a decal on the back window that says:
The only thing I stretch more than tires are cunts
Maybe one of those shocker hands below it too
Quote from: MrH on April 18, 2013, 10:31:25 AM
:lol:
I'm thinking about returing my rpf1's, getting even wider wheels, running 205's on them, then putting a decal on the back window that says:
The only thing I stretch more than tires are cunts
Maybe one of those shocker hands below it too
:lol: :wtf: :clap:
You must do this now.
Ronal Shocker-hand wheels!
:lol:
Quote from: Laconian on April 18, 2013, 10:57:10 AM
Ronal Shocker-hand wheels!
Sounds like I got some Photoshop work to do :lol:
I think it would sell like hotcakes in the frizburz community.
Why spacers? Why not just get wheels with the right offset?
Quote from: thecarnut on April 17, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
That makes sense because 225 is the max recommended tire for a 7" rim. 205 is just what I got off the first link I saw.
It depends more on the tire than the rim. Lower profiles are less tolerant to variation in rim width. You can definitely get a 235 on a 7" rim so long as you're not running a 45 series or lower profile. I don't know of any 245s that are recommended for a rim that narrow, though.
Quote from: MX793 on April 19, 2013, 11:09:03 AM
It depends more on the tire than the rim. Lower profiles are less tolerant to variation in rim width. You can definitely get a 235 on a 7" rim so long as you're not running a 45 series or lower profile. I don't know of any 245s that are recommended for a rim that narrow, though.
I'm talking about lower profile tires. A 235/50 on a BRZ or Miata would be HUGE.
Quote from: r0tor on April 18, 2013, 02:08:47 PM
Why spacers? Why not just get wheels with the right offset?
Since you seemed to miss the whole thing:
45mm offset is widely available from Tire Rack at a good price. 35mm is custom order, would be hundreds more expensive, and I would have to wait awhile. Also, that's almost too much. I'd be really close to the fender if I lowered the car at all unless I ran quite a bit of camber.
This should be perfect, honestly. Looks great in the rear. Really close to the fender, enough clearance on the inside.
3mm spacers on order, should get here next week. I'll take pictures once the whole setup is on. Not very happy with Tire Rack and how they handled it though. I'll post a scathing review somewhere to vent my frustration :lol:
Do you really think anyone will notice 3mm? An eigth of an inch? Its not worth the extra weight.
Quote from: MrH on April 20, 2013, 12:26:45 PM
Since you seemed to miss the whole thing:
45mm offset is widely available from Tire Rack at a good price. 35mm is custom order, would be hundreds more expensive, and I would have to wait awhile. Also, that's almost too much. I'd be really close to the fender if I lowered the car at all unless I ran quite a bit of camber.
This should be perfect, honestly. Looks great in the rear. Really close to the fender, enough clearance on the inside.
3mm spacers on order, should get here next week. I'll take pictures once the whole setup is on. Not very happy with Tire Rack and how they handled it though. I'll post a scathing review somewhere to vent my frustration :lol:
They didn't make a 40 mm offset version?
I could have made you a 3mm spacer and overnighted it to you last week.
Quote from: r0tor on April 20, 2013, 02:38:19 PM
Do you really think anyone will notice 3mm? An eigth of an inch? Its not worth the extra weight.
...what? His wheels barely clear the struts so he got spacers to give him extra room...
Ah, after looking at a brz firment guide, think I understand more...
Wheels are on...
Got the fronts on with 3 mm spacers. This weekend, I'll stick the spacers on the rears too (they fit fine without spacers, but figured I'd make them even).
Holy grip. It was raining this morning, but what a difference from shitty snow tires. Steering feel is more much communicative and loads up quite a bit heavier. No more tall, squishy tread killing the feedback. Tracks much straighter, and turn in is immediate now. Flick the wrist, and the car is loaded up and going that was nearly instantaneously. A bit quieter too.
The real test will be when it gets dry out.
I'll post pictures later.
still jealous. :ohyeah:
Definitely curious to see the pics.
Quote from: MrH on April 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM
Wheels are on...
Got the fronts on with 3 mm spacers. This weekend, I'll stick the spacers on the rears too (they fit fine without spacers, but figured I'd make them even).
Holy grip. It was raining this morning, but what a difference from shitty snow tires. Steering feel is more much communicative and loads up quite a bit heavier. No more tall, squishy tread killing the feedback. Tracks much straighter, and turn in is immediate now. Flick the wrist, and the car is loaded up and going that was nearly instantaneously. A bit quieter too.
The real test will be when it gets dry out.
I'll post pictures later.
Hopefully you have a good experience with your spacers. My collective experience with them has not been positive, i.e. annoying minor vibrations. Hopefully that was not indicative of spacers in general, for your sake
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/yohan04/IMG_5126_zps0602c8df.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on April 25, 2013, 03:20:38 PM
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f143/yohan04/IMG_5126_zps0602c8df.jpg)
Definitely looks better with the wheels pushed outward. On my aftermarket wheels the offset pushed them out just a hair, but as the owner it is noticable to me and I really dig it. Think I went from 19x8.5 at ET 43 to 19x8.5 at ET 38.
I think the wheels need to be pushed more outward. Like this:
(http://www.hobbylookup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Rc-cars.jpg)
Paint job could work too.
I like the car a lot, but those wheels just don't work IMO.
He's a picture. Need to lower it a bit. That and an exhaust are next probably. Maybe sometime late this summer.
(http://i.imgur.com/1XFNKhV.jpg)
Dang I didn't know the blue popped in the sun like that.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on April 26, 2013, 11:09:29 AM
Dang I didn't know the blue popped in the sun like that.
The sun was beating down directly on that fender flare, so it looks really bright in that picture. I would say it's a bit toned down in person.
I love that this color doesn't show dirt very well. The car is filthy in that picture. When I get it all detailed and waxed up, it looks much better. Color looks very deep then. I don't remember any of the STIs and WRXs in blue looking quite like my car. Not sure if it's just because it's still pretty new, so it looks more metallic, or if they actually changed the paint code between models but kept the same name.
Lower it a bit?! Dog you got dat 4x4 stance goin on.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 26, 2013, 01:29:10 PM
Lower it a bit?! Dog you got dat 4x4 stance goin on.
Yeah, it's pretty bad...
Looking at it in profile though, It look's like the fronts will just
barely clear the fenders from rubbing if I lower it. With the camber, the bottom actually sticks out slightly wider. Looks about perfect. No idea how guys are running 35 mm offsets and clearing everything.
You thinking adjustable coilovers or just spring and shock setup?
Car looks great though. I love the wheels.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 26, 2013, 01:44:58 PM
You thinking adjustable coilovers or just spring and shock setup?
Car looks great though. I love the wheels.
Not sure yet. We'll see where I am financially once I pay this thing off. That's my number one concern right now.
Quote from: MrH on April 26, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
Not sure yet. We'll see where I am financially once I pay this thing off. That's my number one concern right now.
Yeah probably a good call. I imagine the stock BRZ suspension isn't as bad as the stock NC1 suspension so you don't need to be in any hurry to change it.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 26, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
Yeah probably a good call. I imagine the stock BRZ suspension isn't as bad as the stock NC1 suspension so you don't need to be in any hurry to change it.
I don't want to go drastically stiffer. I e-mailed Race Comp Engineering (thanks to Roy's suggestion) about their springs, but didn't really like the answer they gave me. That's about as least aggressive I could go and still get a decent drop to it.
1000 lb springs with race valved Konis. 500 hp twin turbos. 20x12 rims. Roll cage. Bride racing seat. Soon it will be so unstreetable you'll have to buy another one for a daily driver and the process will begin again. :lol:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 26, 2013, 02:01:17 PM
1000 lb springs with race valved Konis. 500 hp twin turbos. 20x12 rims. Roll cage. Bride racing seat. Soon it will be so unstreetable you'll have to buy another one for a daily driver and the process will begin again. :lol:
:lol: Not that extreme. But coilovers, turbo, exhaust...:mask: You don't think I'm looking at getting another vehicle for a daily driver down the road?
Quote from: MrH on April 26, 2013, 02:01:09 PM
I don't want to go drastically stiffer. I e-mailed Race Comp Engineering (thanks to Roy's suggestion) about their springs, but didn't really like the answer they gave me. That's about as least aggressive I could go and still get a decent drop to it.
I went as stiff as possible. Over 2x as stiff in the rear and almost 3x as stiff in the front. Stock springs are 110/90 FR and the springs I have now are 300/196 f/r. No regrets, other than some harshness over really really rough roads and bumps and potholes hurt sometimes. :lol:
You're running Tokico shocks right? Are those adjustable? Did they provide any specs on the shocks (ie, what the damping rate was throughout the adjustable range)?
I asked RCE about upsetting the balance of the car. Basically, they increase the rear spring rates more than the front (they're running 250 lb/in both front and rear. Stock, the front springs are stiffer). They didn't like me asking more technically questions to them.
What's your opinion on that? Any change in the balance when you swapped suspensions? There's a handful of people working on a full blown BRZ suspension simulator. I'm trying to get on board with that, and hopefully have something up and running before I buy anything.
Yes, the Tokicos are adjustable, but I didn't get a range of their adjustability, though. I set them to 3 turns from full stiff out of 7 turns, but I'm not fully convinced that they do anything, or that the shocks are matched in stiffness turn for turn so I didn't put much thought into it. I did read that halfway between soft and stiff was a good set-it-and-forget-it place so I pretty much did that. :lol:
I'm also not sure how changing the f/r ratios affect things. Before I did the suspension the car had a tendency to understeer, but after the swap it likes to oversteer past the limit. It might have to do more with the rear sway being stiffer than the ratios, though.
Suspension is one of those things that goes right over my head. I'm going to buy a suspension tuning book to understand this stuff better.
A). unless the coilover kit has koni, bilstein, kw, or ultra pricey dampers - dont bother. All the japanese brands blow. Its a daily driver so you want digressive valving and not some shitty linear valving you need to stiffen the shit out of to control the spring for handling and kill you when hitting a pothole.
B). your car is naturally balanced and like most OEM probably has a bit higher stiffness ratio in the rear then the front so the car settles over bumps. Most craptacular coilover makes ignore this and futz it all up. Find something that proportionally raises the front and rear - if balance needs to be changed then adjust the sway bars.
From my racing days you want the suspension natural frequencies around 1.7 for an aggressive street car on street tires and a damping ratio around. 7. A track only car around 2.1 with street tires, maybe 2.3 with slicks and damping closer to. 9.
There is a shit ton of quality information here written by a passionate business owner with an engineering degree... its mazda based, but the fundememtals transfer
http://fatcatmotorsports.com/index.htm (http://fatcatmotorsports.com/index.htm)
Quote from: r0tor on April 26, 2013, 03:53:30 PM
There is a shit ton of quality information here written by a passionate business owner with an engineering degree... its mazda based, but the fundememtals transfer
http://fatcatmotorsports.com/index.htm (http://fatcatmotorsports.com/index.htm)
I know two guys who work there. One of them does all the custom valving. They both have hilarious stories to tell about Shaikh. :lol:
I've been watching his videos though. He knows his shit and it's very interesting.
Quote from: thecarnut on April 26, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
I went as stiff as possible. Over 2x as stiff in the rear and almost 3x as stiff in the front. Stock springs are 110/90 FR and the springs I have now are 300/196 f/r. No regrets, other than some harshness over really really rough roads and bumps and potholes hurt sometimes. :lol:
Technically this should have made the car understeer more.
The fact that its doing the opposite and that I know the stock suspension is made to corner on the bump stops and the rear shocks on the nc have little travel - I would wager your in coil bind or even worse shock bind during hard cornering... probably causing you to spin out alot.
Quote from: r0tor on April 26, 2013, 04:14:21 PM
Technically this should have made the car understeer more.
The fact that its doing the opposite and that I know the stock suspension is made to corner on the bump stops and the rear shocks on the nc have little travel - I would wager your in coil bind or even worse shock bind during hard cornering... probably causing you to spin out alot.
I doubt anything is binding as that would make the car pretty undrivable over bumps (so anything on the street essentially). I think the rear bar is too stiff. I may try moving the links to the innermost position to see if that'll get rid of my oversteer.
You should see if Koni makes a set of FSD shocks for your model car. When I bought my GTI way back when it had the 4x4 ride height so I got it lowered quite a bit. I put the Koni FSD's on and after all was said and done the ride was MORE comfortable (except for really big bumps). They have lasted a long time too, my younger brother still has that GTI and the shocks are still as good today as when I put them on (just drove it a couple months ago).
http://www.koni.com/car-racing/technology/fsd-frequency-selective-damping/ (http://www.koni.com/car-racing/technology/fsd-frequency-selective-damping/)
Quote from: thecarnut on April 26, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
I doubt anything is binding as that would make the car pretty undrivable over bumps (so anything on the street essentially). I think the rear bar is too stiff. I may try moving the links to the innermost position to see if that'll get rid of my oversteer.
You get more travel during hard cornering then hitting a bump
Small world. I actually e-mailed FatCat motorsports back when I had my miata. I was trying to put together some marketing material for them in exchange for a discount, but they weren't interested :lol:
Those Koni shocks look interesting. Basically, a mechanical adjustable damping. How do you change over damping rates though? Is it a mechanical valve that closes based on what it's reading from the road? Do you have a switch somewhere?
Quote from: MrH on April 26, 2013, 07:21:51 PM
Those Koni shocks look interesting. Basically, a mechanical adjustable damping. How do you change over damping rates though? Is it a mechanical valve that closes based on what it's reading from the road? Do you have a switch somewhere?
From one of the links at the bottom:
"In standard shock absorbers the main damping characteristic is defined by the oil flow (I) going through the piston assembly.
Combining it with the FSD feature, KONl added a special valve which is able to control a parallel oil flow next to the one going through the piston. This parallel oil flow (II) is closed by the FSD feature, giving a rise in damping force almost linear to the time that the piston is moving in one direction.
Put simply: the FSD feature is a hydraulic amplifier that delays the build up of pressure. One could say that an extra tuning option has been created in order to get the best possible combination of handling and comfort. Since it is an integrated part of the hydraulic valve system inside the damper, no additional cables, sensors or any other electronic devices are needed to operate an FSD damper."
Did you drive the BRZ in the winter? I'm trying to decide if I should keep the Focus to take on the ferrous oxide punishment.
It's not 1980 anymore. Just spray it off every week at one of those do it yourself car washes.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 21, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
It's not 1980 anymore. Just spray it off every week at one of those do it yourself car washes.
I see plenty of newer cars starting to rust due to winter salt. My Mazda started rusting after 3 winters despite frequent washes.
Quote from: MX793 on June 21, 2013, 05:35:43 PM
I see plenty of newer cars starting to rust due to winter salt. My Mazda started rusting after 3 winters despite frequent washes.
They hold up a lot better than they used to, but it sounds like your car had something wrong with the finish.
Quote from: MrH on April 26, 2013, 07:21:51 PM
Small world. I actually e-mailed FatCat motorsports back when I had my miata. I was trying to put together some marketing material for them in exchange for a discount, but they weren't interested :lol:
Those Koni shocks look interesting. Basically, a mechanical adjustable damping. How do you change over damping rates though? Is it a mechanical valve that closes based on what it's reading from the road? Do you have a switch somewhere?
There's generally an inertial valve that acts as a flow control: the quicker the piston moves, the farther the valve moves. By putting sepertae srings on the top and the bottom, bound and rebound can be tuned seperately.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 21, 2013, 07:42:12 PM
They hold up a lot better than they used to, but it sounds like your car had something wrong with the finish.
Considering our Mazda6 has rust problems, I think it's just a general Mazda issue.
Good thing BRZs aren't Mazdas!
Subaru's are just as bad.
I don't think so.
I looked up some high mileage 2000 model year Subarus nearby and they looked pretty good compared to the Focus.
Mine is terrible
Focus paint was terrible.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 21, 2013, 07:42:12 PM
They hold up a lot better than they used to, but it sounds like your car had something wrong with the finish.
I've heard this is a common problem on 3s in rustbelt states.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 21, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
It's not 1980 anymore. Just spray it off every week at one of those do it yourself car washes.
Noooooooooo
Quote from: giant_mtb on June 23, 2013, 06:45:02 PM
Noooooooooo
What?
And stop ruining my argument or he'll never get a fun car!
People like Chris make me want to avoid new cars. Excessive concern for swirl marks, dings, and nicks just ruins it for me. I just want to drive a car and not worry about that shit. It's depressing.
I'm the same way. My car drives me crazy. But it's teaching me to just let go of perfection and enjoy it.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 07:12:02 PM
People like Chris make me want to avoid new cars. Excessive concern for swirl marks, dings, and nicks just ruins it for me. I just want to drive a car and not worry about that shit. It's depressing.
.....so do it
Cars are meant to be driven. Some like them clean, which is fine, but it's not a necessity.
I want a clean car. However, the idea that if I don't spend hours excessively cleaning it, the car is ruined forever is hard to shake.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
I want a clean car. However, the idea that if I don't spend hours excessively cleaning it, the car is ruined forever is hard to shake.
Fuck it, that's how I felt when my car was new. While I still wash+wax it fairly regularly, I don't care nearly as much as I used to.
What I really want to do is take my car to an automatic car wash. I basically have no other option anyway.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 07:56:27 PM
What I really want to do is take my car to an automatic car wash. I basically have no other option anyway.
So do it, it would scratch your clearcoat but who cares
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
So do it, it would scratch your clearcoat but who cares
You're not helping!
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
So do it, it would scratch your clearcoat but who cares
The touchless ones are pretty good at not doing that.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 21, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Did you drive the BRZ in the winter? I'm trying to decide if I should keep the Focus to take on the ferrous oxide punishment.
Yes, I drove it through the winter. Blizzaks on the stock wheels. Not the best in the snow, but I managed just fine.
Just take the shit through the touchless car wash every week or two during the winter. It's not that big of a deal. Let's be honest, I'm not going to keep this car forever. It'll hold up fine with probably no rust for 8 years easily.
Stop being such a little bitch about it. "I want a new car but I don't want to take care of it, I just want it to look like I take care of it. Waaaaaah"
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
I want a clean car. However, the idea that if I don't spend hours excessively cleaning it, the car is ruined forever is hard to shake.
But it's not ruined forever. :huh:
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2013, 08:56:09 PM
Stop being such a little bitch about it. "I want a new car but I don't want to take care of it, I just want it to look like I take care of it. Waaaaaah"
You're an asshole
The issue is that touchless car washes don't take off salt very well.
Automatic car washes are the standard for a reason.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
You're an asshole
Truth hurts :huh: Not sure what you're butthurt about, but ok.
You implied that I'm a baby. I think that's supposed to be insulting. I don't think it's unreasonable to feel insulted there.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 09:06:12 PM
You implied that I'm a baby. I think that's supposed to be insulting. I don't think it's unreasonable to feel insulted there.
Well, you want your stuff in perfect condition, but don't want to put in the time to keep it that. What do you expect us to do? Offer to come up there and wash your car for you? :huh:
I'm calling you a baby in hopes you get the point that you're just finding more ridiculous reasons to justify your indecisiveness.
I don't know. My family is pretty poor compared to most of you guys. My dad only bought one new car in his entire life and that was a '86 Ranger stripper model. A new car just seems like so much money to me.
I guess I'm afraid of the car losing value so fast.
Buy a slightly used car, then. That way it's taken the initial hit, isn't completely perfect to make you OCD about it, yet is still in really good condition.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 09:16:18 PM
I don't know. My family is pretty poor compared to most of you guys. My dad only bought one new car in his entire life and that was a '86 Ranger stripper model. A new car just seems like so much money to me.
I guess I'm afraid of the car losing value so fast.
Look, if you can afford it, I don't know why it would matter whether your family is richer or poorer than ours. You're paying for it, not your family.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 09:18:58 PM
Buy a slightly used car, then. That way it's taken the initial hit, isn't completely perfect to make you OCD about it, yet is still in really good condition.
That too. Buy a 1 year old FR-S or something.
Jesus.
Just prior to winter I take my car in for a full exterior detail - get a good bit of wax on there to blunt the adhesion and effect of the elements. Though we don't have salt here they do use some sort of de-icing agent in the mountain passes and a LOT of gravel - I ski a fair amount so end up driving a lot in that stuff.
I feel I'm lucky as there's the perfect car wash by me. I'll hit the exterior (including underneath) with the manual high pressure soap wand and then run through the touchless car wash (which itself has an underbody and rocker panel wash). Works like a charm. During the non-winter months I typically only run through the touchnless car wash every ~2 weeks.
I did this with the Accord and at 7 years and ~150,000 miles it looked like it had ~40,000 miles, but it was silver and that helps a fair amount. The G37x in its dark blue shows more but at ~42,000 miles it looks like it has ~10,000 miles. Oh, I also have off-the-street parking in the best-for-the-car carport (covered, but not enclosed) parking.
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 09:18:58 PM
Buy a slightly used car, then. That way it's taken the initial hit, isn't completely perfect to make you OCD about it, yet is still in really good condition.
I wish I could! I haven't seen any BRZs for sale used.
EDIT: Seems like they're selling for more used than new!
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 09:19:17 PM
Look, if you can afford it, I don't know why it would matter whether your family is richer or poorer than ours. You're paying for it, not your family.
I'm just not used to it.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 09:22:33 PM
I'm just not used to it.
You're making a lot more than your parents (presumably), might as well get used to that fact.
You're gonna die in 60 years or so. You aren't taking that money to heaven with you.
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 09:27:07 PM
You're gonna die in 60 years or so. You aren't taking that money to heaven with you.
That's the best argument I've heard so far.
The other issue is that I have to park in some lot as the hood rats, hillbillies, and white trash. I guess other people have nice cars too, but it kinda sucks.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 09:03:36 PM
The issue is that touchless car washes don't take off salt very well.
Automatic car washes are the standard for a reason.
Better than nothing, and the ones with the underbody sprayers do it fair enough.
I've decided my car is a racecar and the rust is only making it faster. Yay rust
From prepping cars for sale - your paint is already fucked. At the Chevy dealer, we run our cars through our nasty ass automatic wash. Some have been through several times. And guess what
No one gives a fuck.
The Ir conditioning unit I my trunk improved my weight distribution. Its awesome.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 23, 2013, 10:58:47 PM
The Ir conditioning unit I my trunk improved my weight distribution. Its awesome.
This is not BRZ talk. Ban him
You need a Window air conditioner.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 07:12:02 PM
People like Chris make me want to avoid new cars. Excessive concern for swirl marks, dings, and nicks just ruins it for me. I just want to drive a car and not worry about that shit. It's depressing.
Sometimes it seriously is depressing. I have anxiety about my car and its appearance. It's quite sad. But at the same time...it's 98% why I'm so good at what I do.
And the feeling I get after spending a few hours on my car sprucing it up...mmmmmmm... :ohyeah:
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 06:58:36 PM
What?
And stop ruining my argument or he'll never get a fun car!
You should at least go through a touchless wash. It's a lot better than just warm water...the soaps are usually strong enough to actually remove a good portion of salty stuff, whereas water mostly just takes off the surface dirt but leaves the salt and stuff behind.
Compromise is to use the "pre-soak" and/or "soap" setting on the DIY wand...sometimes that's acceptable.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
From prepping cars for sale - your paint is already fucked. At the Chevy dealer, we run our cars through our nasty ass automatic wash. Some have been through several times. And guess what
No one gives a fuck.
This is very true. I insisted the dealer didn't wash my car before delivery. I picked it up filthy with plastic still on it. Sooooo much dirt was just caked on it. Had they washed it, it all would have been rubbed into the clear coat. Instead I did it. Took a ton of time, but even a year later, my clear coat is pretty scratch free. I need to strip the wax, light polish and rewax and it'll look better than the new ones they have on the lot.
I was impressed with how clean and swirl-free my car was from the dealership.
But, I haven't allowed them or anyone else to wash it since.
STAHP IT
Quote from: 2o6 on June 23, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
From prepping cars for sale - your paint is already fucked. At the Chevy dealer, we run our cars through our nasty ass automatic wash. Some have been through several times. And guess what
No one gives a fuck.
Yeah, basically.
But. I've also heard "it looks better than the day I bought it" plenty of times...people might not always know that they want something better than a basic, shitty, automatic car wash...until I give it to them. They love it.
Washing your car is a multi stage process that takes several hours. You must use distilled water with a perfectly neutral pH value heated to precisely 72 degrees Fahrenheit. Don't buy cheap $100 bottles of soap, you need to use good stuff blessed by Monks and made from unicorn oil...
Quote from: MrH on June 23, 2013, 11:23:59 PM
This is very true. I insisted the dealer didn't wash my car before delivery. I picked it up filthy with plastic still on it. Sooooo much dirt was just caked on it. Had they washed it, it all would have been rubbed into the clear coat. Instead I did it. Took a ton of time, but even a year later, my clear coat is pretty scratch free. I need to strip the wax, light polish and rewax and it'll look better than the new ones they have on the lot.
Typically, at my dealer, it gets washed whenever someone takes it on a test drive. Most cars have been washed a few times before they're sold, I'd say.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Washing your car is a multi stage process that takes several hours. You must use distilled water with a perfectly neutral pH value heated to precisely 72 degrees Fahrenheit. Don't buy cheap $100 bottles of soap, you need to use good stuff blessed by Monks made from unicorn oil...
Damn. You should have my job. :lol:
With gray metallic, it shouldn't be noticeable anyway. My Focus is like swirl city, but it's Pitch Black and the clear coat is of poor quality.
Grey is easy as fuuuuuuck.
My car is likely in Southfield right now.
I think it's pretty hard to order a BRZ right now.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 11:36:20 PM
Washing your car is a multi stage process that takes several hours. You must use distilled water with a perfectly neutral pH value heated to precisely 72 degrees Fahrenheit. Don't buy cheap $100 bottles of soap, you need to use good stuff blessed by Monks made from unicorn oil...
I didn't even realize you could make monks out of unicorn oil.
I have so much to learn.
Joke ruiner.
I was on board with it until the $100 bottle of soap part. :lol:
Working with some people at work to get that Subie VIP discount. Sounds like I should be able to get it!
Condensation in the taillights :cry:
(http://i.imgur.com/zU4pZd3.jpg)
Well now you have a great excuse to A., get warranty replacements but B., see if you can keep those so you can bake them open and red/black out all of that silly chrome in there.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 11:58:15 PM
I didn't even realize you could make monks out of unicorn oil.
I have so much to learn.
I think he was trying to describe trappist soap.
You know what would help? A little bit of rice.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 04, 2013, 02:26:29 PM
Well now you have a great excuse to A., get warranty replacements but B., see if you can keep those so you can bake them open and red/black out all of that silly chrome in there.
That's what I was thinking. I need to see where the leak is happening though, so I can seal it after blacking out the chrome.
I actually REALLY like these aftermarket ones. Looks a lot like the BRZ concept, and more stock than the altezza ones I've got.
(http://www.garagefrs.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/53/files/2013/06/Depo-LED-tail-lamp-86-FRS-BRZ-04-1024x675.jpg)
^Those are sick
They look nice, but you have free ones sitting right in front of you at the dealership. With free installation.
Quote from: MrH on July 04, 2013, 02:40:09 PM
That's what I was thinking. I need to see where the leak is happening though, so I can seal it after blacking out the chrome.
I actually REALLY like these aftermarket ones. Looks a lot like the BRZ concept, and more stock than the altezza ones I've got.
(http://www.garagefrs.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/53/files/2013/06/Depo-LED-tail-lamp-86-FRS-BRZ-04-1024x675.jpg)
Those look dope.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 04, 2013, 02:26:29 PM
Well now you have a great excuse to A., get warranty replacements but B., see if you can keep those so you can bake them open and red/black out all of that silly chrome in there.
Does anybody still put hotmelt in tail lamps? I know GM has it on their fullsize trucks, but they're retarded.
They're most likely vibration or hot plate welded.
The very idea of fucking with lamps like that makes me sick.
People literally take a soldering iron, melt through them, then jam them back together with silicon. It's pretty ghetto.
:nutty: :cry: :rage:
Checked out the subie/toyota pair a few weeks back. I liked the scion front end better. The. Scion dealer had about 6 to choose from.
Quote from: MrH on July 04, 2013, 03:23:41 PM
People literally take a soldering iron, melt through them, then jam them back together with silicon. It's pretty ghetto.
You mean kustom not ghetto.
Also you need to get your car right at LED car's ride height.
Quote from: MrH on July 04, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
Condensation in the taillights :cry:
(http://i.imgur.com/zU4pZd3.jpg)
Apparently a common issue with Ferberizers.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 05, 2013, 09:42:31 PM
Also you need to get your car right at LED car's ride height.
Definitely. One finger gap between wheels/fender is perfect.
That looks more like two to me unless you have super-fat fingers that the ladies love because they're so much to hold on to for holding hands.
I'm such a baller you have to measure my fender gap with a feeler gauge.
1 finger = 3/4"
2 fingers = 1.5"
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 06, 2013, 09:29:36 AM
I'm such a baller you have to measure my fender gap with a feeler gauge.
El Camino's front wheels are actually tucked under the fender about 1/2", the rear wheels are almost perfectly even. :praise:
Great. It still handles like poop.
Stock, yeah. Not anymore though.
Don't you have those old timey BF Goodrich Radial T/As? Any tire that brags about being a radial in 2013 is not going to be high tech. :lol:
They're Coopers, but yeah.
Doesn't mean the car itself doesn't handle pretty nicely. Not a Miata, but not a boat either.
255 all around.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5450/8955589715_c96d5d577b_b.jpg)
And sorta riced, but STi wheels looks good.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3741/8955595029_4b618140e4_b.jpg)
See, if that thing had white wheels it'd be perfect.
I've heard Edmunds has supercharged theirs
Full coilovers are coming soon. Might include variable damping too :rockon:
Should free up some room and get the spacers out, and I'll be nice and flush and tuck cleanly on compression.
Variable damping as in position/velocity variable?
Variable as in driver controlled damping rates, like a "sport" button in cabin.
If not, hopefully at least variable damping that's amplitude dependent (highway irregularities have a softer damping force, slower corners at speed have a higher damping force).
Oh, electronically adjustable.
Is amplitude the same as velocity or is it a different design?
Quote from: MrH on August 08, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
Variable as in driver controlled damping rates, like a "sport" button in cabin.
If not, hopefully at least variable damping that's amplitude dependent (highway irregularities have a softer damping force, slower corners at speed have a higher damping force).
So basically having high and low speed damping settings like off-road motorcycle shocks.
Few updates:
-Working with the aftermarket department at work. Looking at getting fully adjustable compression and rebound coilovers for cheap :praise: A coworker there is building a Matlab simulator to prove out damping curves before I get them. Should be pretty cool when it's all done.
- What's everyone's thoughts on the STI front lip and side sills? I still have the OEM mudflaps in my garage. I might forego those and get this instead.
(http://www.hptmotorsports.com/images/detailed/7/CS13BRZ-PU-9.jpg)
-TOM's taillights will be coming at some point. Same with clear corners, shorty antenna, valentine 1 wired in, dash cam, and backup cam. Probably a nameless performance exhaust too :mask:
Quote from: MrH on August 08, 2013, 09:37:40 PM
Variable as in driver controlled damping rates, like a "sport" button in cabin.
If not, hopefully at least variable damping that's amplitude dependent (highway irregularities have a softer damping force, slower corners at speed have a higher damping force).
You mean digressive damping curves?
I like the STI side skirts and lip.
Quote from: thecarnut on August 24, 2013, 12:22:21 PM
I like the STI side skirts and lip.
I might paint them though
Quote from: r0tor on August 24, 2013, 11:53:46 AM
You mean digressive damping curves?
Well, non-linear, digressive damping curves is what I was talking about.
Quote from: MrH on August 24, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
Few updates:
-Working with the aftermarket department at work. Looking at getting fully adjustable compression and rebound coilovers for cheap :praise: A coworker there is building a Matlab simulator to prove out damping curves before I get them. Should be pretty cool when it's all done.
- What's everyone's thoughts on the STI front lip and side sills? I still have the OEM mudflaps in my garage. I might forego those and get this instead.
(http://www.hptmotorsports.com/images/detailed/7/CS13BRZ-PU-9.jpg)
-TOM's taillights will be coming at some point. Same with clear corners, shorty antenna, valentine 1 wired in, dash cam, and backup cam. Probably a nameless performance exhaust too :mask:
I like the body stuff there.
I'd forgo the bakup camera (honestly just because I don't see the point, its not a 40 ft motor home), and the wired-in V1 (for whatever reason, al the wired in radar detectors I've ever seen have range difficulties, and are prone to electrical gremlins, plus I liek being able to move mine into different vehicles).
What I did with the civic was I ran the wires I needed to up behind the A-pillar, and left the connector hanging out about two inches (it tucked up under the visor when not in use). That way, it was still very clean when it was installed, and I could remove it easily too.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 24, 2013, 02:59:44 PM
I like the body stuff there.
I'd forgo the bakup camera (honestly just because I don't see the point, its not a 40 ft motor home), and the wired-in V1 (for whatever reason, al the wired in radar detectors I've ever seen have range difficulties, and are prone to electrical gremlins, plus I liek being able to move mine into different vehicles).
What I did with the civic was I ran the wires I needed to up behind the A-pillar, and left the connector hanging out about two inches (it tucked up under the visor when not in use). That way, it was still very clean when it was installed, and I could remove it easily too.
Yeah, definitely would skip the backup cam. On a car that small it's definitely not needed.
I'm not sure what MrH means, but my friend's V1 is like what you describe. The wires are all hidden but he can still remove the V1 by unplugging the telephone jack at the back so it's not visible while he's parked or whatever.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 24, 2013, 02:59:44 PM
What I did with the civic was I ran the wires I needed to up behind the A-pillar, and left the connector hanging out about two inches (it tucked up under the visor when not in use). That way, it was still very clean when it was installed, and I could remove it easily too.
I wired my V1 the same way! But I have the Plug by the rear view mirror!
http://jalopnik.com/what-happens-when-a-turbo-toyota-gt86-races-a-mclaren-1-1209904249?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://jalopnik.com/what-happens-when-a-turbo-toyota-gt86-races-a-mclaren-1-1209904249?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
Quote from: S204STi on August 27, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
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Seriously misleading title. That's not a turbo GT86, that's a fucking race car.
Quote from: Raza on August 27, 2013, 09:06:32 PM
Seriously misleading title. That's not a turbo GT86, that's a fucking race car.
Also, yes.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 23, 2013, 09:21:44 PM
I also have off-the-street parking in the best-for-the-car carport (covered, but not enclosed) parking.
Still wrong
Quote from: MrH on August 24, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
- What's everyone's thoughts on the STI front lip and side sills?
Fugly and a cracked lip waiting to happen.
I like the look of the lower chin spoiler, but dem curbs...
What the actual price of these cars with all options and why do the OEM wheels look fugly?
Quote from: Catman on August 30, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
What the actual price of these cars with all options and why do the OEM wheels look fugly?
I think mine was $28k and I've got the one package to get leather and auto start and climate. I think it was a pretty solid deal actually.
I saw a blue BRZ on 275 today. Looked sharp. :ohyeah:
I've been seeing a lot more white and gray ones.
Quote from: hotrodalex on August 31, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
I saw a blue BRZ on 275 today. Looked sharp. :ohyeah:
Saw one too, looked nice.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on August 31, 2013, 09:32:11 PM
I've been seeing a lot more white and gray ones.
Same. I've yet to see a blue one in the flesh. Mostly whites and grays around here, too.
I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of them I've seen show up at local autocross events. Our attendance has been exceptionally low this year, but three different FR-S/BRZs have shown up to events this year and another showed up to a late season event last year (when the cars had first come out). Good to see people buying these kinds of cars and actually using them for something other than tooling around in.
I still haven't been beaten by one :lol:, though the guy that showed up last season came very close (better raw time, worse indexed time).
Quote from: MX793 on October 08, 2013, 07:38:40 PM
I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of them I've seen show up at local autocross events. Our attendance has been exceptionally low this year, but three different FR-S/BRZs have shown up to events this year and another showed up to a late season event last year (when the cars had first come out). Good to see people buying these kinds of cars and actually using them for something other than tooling around in.
I still haven't been beaten by one :lol:, though the guy that showed up last season came very close (better raw time, worse indexed time).
In your V6 mustang, on an autocross course?
Well, you must be one hell of a driver....and the brz guys must be a bunch of f'in noobs.
The last autox I was at had one BRZ. It was one of the instructors. Interestingly he a had a very well prepped and very fast sti that he was running. He sold that and moved to a brz.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on October 08, 2013, 07:44:24 PM
In your V6 mustang, on an autocross course?
Well, you must be one hell of a driver....and the brz guys must be a bunch of f'in noobs.
The last autox I was at had one BRZ. It was one of the instructors. Interestingly he a had a very well prepped and very fast sti that he was running. He sold that and moved to a brz.
The guy who almost beat me last season was nationally ranked on the ProSolo circuit two years ago. He formerly ran a stock class S197 Shelby GT. I ran against him at one point two seasons ago when he had his Mustang and he blew my doors off. Like 9 seconds on a ~60 second course. Granted, I'm pretty sure his car was on R-comps then (and it was only my 6th ever event). He showed up with a stock FR-S (right down to the OE tires) and was a bit faster in raw time but when you factored in PAX handicaps for classes, was just behind me (I was also running my shitty OE all-season tires last season).
Of the 6 drivers (in 4 cars) I ran against this season... 2 were complete novices, 2 were seasoned drivers (one will finish 3rd overall in points this season) co-driving because their normal cars were out of commission, and the other two were running their own cars and not registered as novices, but I don't know what their level of experience was.
Alright, update time:
BRZ is here to stay. Thought long and hard about selling it and getting an Elise, but in the end, I wouldn't end up driving that nearly as much. In anything less than ideal weather (which is probably 90% of the time here in Ohio), I wouldn't want to take it out. The BRZ I can drive through any weather really.
So, here's the game plan:
- Coilovers are going on. It'll be interesting to see where the wheels end up sitting in the wheel wells once it's lower. I'm running 3mm spacers on the stock suspension in order to clear the front struts, but I shouldn't need those once I go to these coilovers (the lower spring seat is smaller). However, I'll probably still use them and I'll still be offset to far inwards (due to being lower and at a different part in the camber curve). Guess we'll see.
-Undecided on camber plates and sway bars for now.
-TOM's taillights will eventually get ordered. I was going to get them through Amazon, but now they're out of stock :rage:
-Might get a full Nameless Performance exhaust. Decent bump across the whole range and a much better sound and look.
Lol ricer
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 25, 2013, 05:48:02 PM
Lol ricer
What do you expect, he drives a scion.
Next up, underbody neons and window decals that express his unique personality.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 25, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
What do you expect, he drives a scion.
Next up, underbody neons and window decals that express his unique personality.
If only I was that cool....
Na, after what I put above, next step would be turbo or supercharger.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 25, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
What do you expect, he drives a scion.
Next up, underbody neons and window decals that express his unique personality.
I am one step ahead, as usual. I have red LED interior lights and a sticker of a race track I haven't been to.
Stop the madness
(http://i.imgur.com/5YKYzbT.jpg)
Race Car & Box Car
And 1 month later...
(http://i.imgur.com/2QY0J8C.jpg)
:lol:
honda tooner
Get some rota's and mugen coilovers for that bitch
Shit Mike now all you need is a carseat in the back of the Element and you're any other suburban dad grasping hold of his remaining strains of youth.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 26, 2013, 01:03:57 AM
Shit Mike now all you need is a carseat in the back of the Element and you're any other suburban dad grasping hold of his remaining strains of youth.
:lol:
Quote from: Laconian on November 25, 2013, 07:27:15 PM
And 1 month later...
(http://i.imgur.com/2QY0J8C.jpg)
:lol:
You forgot the stuffed animals hanging from the exhaust.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 26, 2013, 01:03:57 AM
Shit Mike now all you need is a carseat in the back of the Element and you're any other suburban dad grasping hold of his remaining strains of youth.
No, dude without kids riding around with a carseat in his car?
Creepy dude is creeepy, dude.
Definitely curious to hear how it does with coilovers. I imagine sways won't be as much of a need after that; or maybe just an adjustable rear bar. I don't know if they make one for yours, but I really like my Whiteline Com C front strut mounts; added static caster in a group N rubber mount makes for some nice improvements without harshness.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2013, 01:43:28 AM
No, dude without kids riding around with a carseat in his car?
Creepy dude is creeepy, dude.
Might look less weird than me bramming around with my kid in the Miata.
Quote from: Laconian on November 25, 2013, 07:27:15 PM
And 1 month later...
(http://i.imgur.com/2QY0J8C.jpg)
:lol:
:lol: :golfclap:
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 26, 2013, 01:03:57 AM
Shit Mike now all you need is a carseat in the back of the Element and you're any other suburban dad grasping hold of his remaining strains of youth.
You mockin Casa de la Mike?
The wheels are turning. Coilovers will be adjustable, but the way they are now, you need to get in there and turn the knob. Throwing around the idea of doing a remote adjustability using an Arduino and some toggle switches. :mask: :devil:
You need to work on making your car as cool as nick's accent
Quote from: MrH on November 26, 2013, 07:13:59 PM
The wheels are turning. Coilovers will be adjustable, but the way they are now, you need to get in there and turn the knob. Throwing around the idea of doing a remote adjustability using an Arduino and some toggle switches. :mask: :devil:
That would be pretty sweet.
Lift kit?
Quote from: Catman on November 27, 2013, 07:28:23 PM
Lift kit?
Lift kit for the BRZ. Rally car! Lower the Element, add weird Japanese van body kit!
:golfclap:
Adjustable coilovers ordered. I get them in January :rockon:
Should be getting the coilovers any day now. I've got a shop with a lift I can use for free :rockon: Debating on a few things: Stock top mounts or go for something with more adjustability? Adjustable control arms in the rear or not? Anti-dive bushings in the front?
I'll take some pictures once I get it all together.
Is the front double wishbone or a macpherson setup.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 16, 2014, 01:08:08 PM
Is the front double wishbone or a macpherson setup.
Macpherson strut upfront, multi link out back. Inverted monotube in the front, so the adjustment knobs are on the bottom. In the rear, I'll need to cut small holes in the trunk lining to get to them.
Speak of the devil! Coilovers came in today. Probably going to install them sometime next week.
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2014, 01:46:24 PM
Macpherson strut upfront, multi link out back. Inverted monotube in the front, so the adjustment knobs are on the bottom. In the rear, I'll need to cut small holes in the trunk lining to get to them.
Speak of the devil! Coilovers came in today. Probably going to install them sometime next week.
So you aren't going to run a camber plate to adjust for the negative camber from lowering the ride height?
Not a big deal for track use but it won't help tire life on the street.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 16, 2014, 02:58:16 PM
So you aren't going to run a camber plate to adjust for the negative camber from lowering the ride height?
Not a big deal for track use but it won't help tire life on the street.
Considering it. I have to figure out where the stock top mount puts me in terms of camber.
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2014, 03:13:03 PM
Considering it. I have to figure out where the stock top mount puts me in terms of camber.
Are you running the stock tire size?
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 16, 2014, 03:14:09 PM
Are you running the stock tire size?
Lol, no. Same rolling diameter, but I'm running 245 width all around now compared to the 215 stock.
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2014, 03:36:22 PM
Lol, no. Same rolling diameter, but I'm running 245 width all around now compared to the 215 stock.
Same rim size though?
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 16, 2014, 03:45:46 PM
Same rim size though?
No. Same diameter, wider rim though. Stock was either 7" or 7.5". I'm running 17x9's now for my summer setup.
(http://i.imgur.com/DhVQK1N.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/38mD98R.jpg)
:wub:
Nice!!
Pretty!
You install them yourself?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 18, 2014, 02:34:03 PM
You install them yourself?
Haven't put them on yet. I was going to do it myself in the garage, but I've got a friend that offered to help. One of his good friends has a garage with a lift we can use :rockon:
I've been pricing out a turbo kit. I think I'll pull the trigger this fall.
2700 lbs, 330 hp at the crank :rockon:
Quote from: MrH on January 18, 2014, 02:37:38 PM
I've been pricing out a turbo kit. I think I'll pull the trigger this fall.
2700 lbs, 330 hp at the crank :rockon:
Will the stock bottom end take it?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 18, 2014, 02:40:43 PM
Will the stock bottom end take it?
Yep, no problem. It's a crazy high compression ratio from the factory (12.5:1), but everything is pretty bulletproof. I don't trust running too much boost, but 7 psi at that kind of compression is all it takes for 300+ hp. Tiny little turbo that spools almost instantly. It'll be kind of a strange setup though (oil scavenging pump running off one of the cam shafts).
So those coilovers don't have separate height and preload adjustability?
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 18, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
So those coilovers don't have separate height and preload adjustability?
Nope. Just the lower spring seat is adjustable, which adjusts the preload and height. The body of the shock is threaded, it's not a sleeve.
I think im going to pick up a set of PSS9s soon. The adjuster is by all accounts rubbish, but for my car I like the spring rates and the quality is top notch.
Why do you say the adjuster is rubbish?
I didn't like what I saw with the pss9s for my car, so I'd rather have some adjustability.
From all the shock dynos I have seen, the adjusters have minimal impact towards the lower velocities that primarily effect handling and large impact on higher velocities that effect ride comfort. Also its noted that the PSS9 really only have a full hard, full soft, and medium range as 7 of the 9 adjustments in the middle dont do much.
But saying that, for RX8s IMO they have a perfect streetable spring rate, great quality, great diggressive damping curve, and a good price.
Finally got time on a lift tomorrow night. Full day of work, then karting, hopefully get these things on in under 3 hours. I'll get an alignment some time in the next week or so.
Quote from: MrH on January 28, 2014, 10:37:12 PM
Finally got time on a lift tomorrow night. Full day of work, then karting, hopefully get these things on in under 3 hours. I'll get an alignment some time in the next week or so.
Is it a drive on lift?
Takes me about 40 minutes to do an alignment on mine, might as well squeeze it in if you have time.
I've been putting off getting some slip plates and corner scales for awhile, probably should stop being a cheap ass and just get them. The slip plates would make the alignments much faster.
Quote from: r0tor on January 18, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
From all the shock dynos I have seen, the adjusters have minimal impact towards the lower velocities that primarily effect handling and large impact on higher velocities that effect ride comfort. Also its noted that the PSS9 really only have a full hard, full soft, and medium range as 7 of the 9 adjustments in the middle dont do much.
But saying that, for RX8s IMO they have a perfect streetable spring rate, great quality, great diggressive damping curve, and a good price.
Yeah, that's just the nature of the beast unfortunately. You can only get so much variation in low speed damping by changing the pre-load on the discs. The adjustments are pretty linear though. Not a huge range, but it steps pretty progressively.
More importantly though, I liked the valving of the PSS10's better. I doubt I'll change it much once I find a setting I like. I'll report back once I get them on tonight :rockon:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 29, 2014, 07:35:55 AM
Is it a drive on lift?
Takes me about 40 minutes to do an alignment on mine, might as well squeeze it in if you have time.
I've been putting off getting some slip plates and corner scales for awhile, probably should stop being a cheap ass and just get them. The slip plates would make the alignments much faster.
I'm not sure what type of lift they have. There's a specialty subaru shop down here that has a ton of BRZ experience. I'm going to let them corner weight and do the alignment.
Coilovers are on! Took awhile last night. About 3 hours start to finish including setting the ride height. Top mounts didn't slid over the piston rods like they were supposed to. They're about a 1mm off, had to drill out the top mounts slightly.
I'm exhausted. I need an alignment and either the front needs to be lower or the rear raised slightly. The car is angled up more than what I was at previously. Looks infinitely better. Rides great on small imperfections. Big modulations in the road upset it quite a bit last night. Turned the damping up on the rear a bit and it feels a lot more controlled now. I'll play with the damping more once it's aligned and corner weighted.
Pics of lowered briz!
Quote from: Rupert on January 30, 2014, 10:06:29 AM
Pics of lowered briz!
Here's a few I snagged in the parking lot at work with my phone. I'll get much better pictures once I get the ride height figured out and it's above freezing.
(http://i.imgur.com/leN6UnZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3bZ8e2X.jpg)
And from the install...
(http://i.imgur.com/r0ngOv3.jpg)
That is loads better.
Front needs to come down about 5-7mm more still. The rear is about perfect.
Whats the actual difference between the pss9 and pss10 anyway?
What do you have for tires on there.
Also, I see you park out back with all the VW tools. I'm sorry.
Is it a rule where everyone must back into their spaces?
Nice looking car. I always love Subies in that blue.
Quote from: MrH on January 30, 2014, 01:57:51 PM
Front needs to come down about 5-7mm more still. The rear is about perfect.
You don't tune with ride height, you tune with corner weights. Suspension engineer my ass.
Car looks great, though.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 30, 2014, 07:09:26 PM
You don't tune with ride height, you tune with corner weights. Suspension engineer my ass.
Car looks great, though.
No shit, right. What an amateur.
How much spring should he cut off to bring the front down?
Personally since it's all ready installed I'd just heat the spring a bit and get it to drop the front down just a smidge.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 30, 2014, 07:56:22 PM
No shit, right. What an amateur.
How much spring should he cut off to bring the front down?
Personally since it's all ready installed I'd just heat the spring a bit and get it to drop the front down just a smidge.
Just keep cutting the spring in half until it works. It is a logarithmic half life type thing.
Quote from: r0tor on January 30, 2014, 02:52:42 PM
Whats the actual difference between the pss9 and pss10 anyway?
PSS = Adjustable height, non-adjustable damping
PSS9 = 9 steps of adjustability
PSS10 = 10 steps of adjustability
Basically, the PSS10 replaced the PSS9. Just a new piston rod design that offers more adjustability.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on January 30, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
What do you have for tires on there.
Also, I see you park out back with all the VW tools. I'm sorry.
245 width Pilot Super Sports. About half the car guys I work with are big VW fans.
Quote from: J86 on January 30, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
Is it a rule where everyone must back into their spaces?
Nice looking car. I always love Subies in that blue.
The GTI guy parked like that in the corner. Then Paul Walker died. So I parked next to him like an ass hat and declared it the RIP Paul Walker Memorial Car Show, so everyone parked like a moron. I don't know why, but it still happens. :lol:
OK, coilovers are on, it's aligned and ride height set. Running about 2.1 degrees on camber on the front, 1.6 and 2.1 in the rear. There's no adjustment in the rear unless you buy adjustable control arms. I think the asymmetry is due to the sub frame placement at the factory originally.
There are stock brz's with over a degree of camber difference in the rear. Eventually I'll get adjustable rear control arms, but not right now.
Looks I'll be doing a track day at Mid Ohio this summer, and a handful of autoX days. We've got a guy with a quad copter and go pro setup coming with us to Mid Ohio, so hopefully I'll get some bad ass sideways drifts in slo mo from the sky :ohyeah:
Tore up a stud and lug nut during the install. Long story, but I'll end up putting a new stud in sometime soon.
Quote from: MrH on February 08, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
OK, coilovers are on, it's aligned and ride height set. Running about 2.1 degrees on camber on the front, 1.6 and 2.1 in the rear. There's no adjustment in the rear unless you buy adjustable control arms. I think the asymmetry is due to the sub frame placement at the factory originally.
There are stock brz's with over a degree of camber difference in the rear. Eventually I'll get adjustable rear control arms, but not right now.
Looks I'll be doing a track day at Mid Ohio this summer, and a handful of autoX days. We've got a guy with a quad copter and go pro setup coming with us to Mid Ohio, so hopefully I'll get some bad ass sideways drifts in slo mo from the sky :ohyeah:
Tore up a stud and lug nut during the install. Long story, but I'll end up putting a new stud in sometime soon.
Nice. How's the ride compared to stock?
Quote from: MrH on February 08, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
OK, coilovers are on, it's aligned and ride height set. Running about 2.1 degrees on camber on the front, 1.6 and 2.1 in the rear. There's no adjustment in the rear unless you buy adjustable control arms. I think the asymmetry is due to the sub frame placement at the factory originally.
There are stock brz's with over a degree of camber difference in the rear. Eventually I'll get adjustable rear control arms, but not right now.
Looks I'll be doing a track day at Mid Ohio this summer, and a handful of autoX days. We've got a guy with a quad copter and go pro setup coming with us to Mid Ohio, so hopefully I'll get some bad ass sideways drifts in slo mo from the sky :ohyeah:
Tore up a stud and lug nut during the install. Long story, but I'll end up putting a new stud in sometime soon.
They let some guy fly a quad cop around when people are on the track? Sounds pretty nuts to me.
I'd like to try and hit up mid-ohio/blackhawk farms and a few others out that way.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on February 08, 2014, 04:37:25 PM
They let some guy fly a quad cop around when people are on the track? Sounds pretty nuts to me.
I'd like to try and hit up mid-ohio/blackhawk farms and a few others out that way.
A lot of the newer ones you don't fly so much as you instruct them where to go.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 08, 2014, 01:44:58 PM
Nice. How's the ride compared to stock?
Small bumps it soaks better than stock. Don't even feel them. The bigger modulations though are pretty damn rough. Things are still a bit springy in the front, so I'll keep cranking the shocks stiffer until it feels right. It's too cold to take it out for now.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on February 08, 2014, 04:37:25 PM
They let some guy fly a quad cop around when people are on the track? Sounds pretty nuts to me.
I'd like to try and hit up mid-ohio/blackhawk farms and a few others out that way.
We haven't confirmed yet, but we're going to try :lol: Turns out we're going to Putnam instead of Mid Ohio. About the same distance away, but Putnam has miles of grass is every direction. If you lose it there, you're not slamming into a wall at least.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 08, 2014, 04:58:31 PM
A lot of the newer ones you don't fly so much as you instruct them where to go.
Yeah, this guy's setup is pretty crazy. Super stable, can take off and land anywhere.
BRZ feels a lot better now that everything is settled. Still need to fiddle with the fronts a little. Haven't touched the limits of it yet :mask: Cold tires and an unfamiliar setup has me a little cautious. Once it's warm, I'll push it a bit more.
I'm dropping it off at the Subaru dealership tomorrow. New taillights (current ones have a ton of moisture in them. Common problem on the early ones), GPS TSB so it locks onto satellites quicker, and picking up a new wheel stud. :rockon:
WHEEL STUD YEAH!
The trash talking has already begun. AutoX test and tune is coming up, and then the first autoX of the season. Turns out a ton of us at work are all in STX.
The lowly co-op thinks his Mazdaspeed3 with just tires will beat me in the BRZ with wheels, tires, and coilovers. Any good shame bets we should place on this?
Quote from: MrH on March 11, 2014, 10:35:03 AM
The trash talking has already begun. AutoX test and tune is coming up, and then the first autoX of the season. Turns out a ton of us at work are all in STX.
The lowly co-op thinks his Mazdaspeed3 with just tires will beat me in the BRZ with wheels, tires, and coilovers. Any good shame bets we should place on this?
Have him carry all your gear in his mommy mobile
Quote from: 68_427 on March 11, 2014, 10:37:49 AM
Have him carry all your gear in his mommy mobile
By gear, you mean my helmet and gloves? Pshh, that's weak.
I was thinking loser had to take the SAT. You gotta pay the money, and spend six hours at a high school taking the test :lol:
Raw time or PAX adjusted? DS has a far more favorable PAX than STX, assuming he's not running R comps. And what is the Mazda running for tires?
Quote from: MrH on March 11, 2014, 10:41:46 AM
I was thinking loser had to take the SAT. You gotta pay the money, and spend six hours at a high school taking the test :lol:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA that's AWESOME. You should designate the locale for the test, or he could just go to a college...
Non-adjusted. What kind of pansy uses a handicap? And no, he's not even close to running R comps. Just some all seasons, nothing too wide either.
Any chance you could get me the info on what oem parts I would need to complete the pss9 setup for the rx8?
Quote from: MrH on March 11, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Non-adjusted. What kind of pansy uses a handicap? And no, he's not even close to running R comps. Just some all seasons, nothing too wide either.
You will when some guy shows up in an atom.
Then all of a sudden it's handicap this and adjustment that.
Quote from: MrH on March 11, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Non-adjusted. What kind of pansy uses a handicap? And no, he's not even close to running R comps. Just some all seasons, nothing too wide either.
How much AX experience does he have compared to you? From my experience, speed3s are very good AX cars out of the box. I haven't seen a modded FRBRZ run, but I have not been blown away by what they can do when stock.
Quote from: MX793 on March 11, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
How much AX experience does he have compared to you? From my experience, speed3s are very good AX cars out of the box. I haven't seen a modded FRBRZ run, but I have not been blown away by what they can do when stock.
+1 Torque and FWD are not a bad combo on autoX. Mazda dude is running all seasons though so I think you both will be a wash.
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2014, 10:56:58 AM
Any chance you could get me the info on what oem parts I would need to complete the pss9 setup for the rx8?
http://cart.bilsteinus.com/pdfs/E4-WM4-Y547A00.pdf (http://cart.bilsteinus.com/pdfs/E4-WM4-Y547A00.pdf)
Look at pages 19 and 20. Looks like the fronts use the OEM top mount. The rears use the stock dust boot and some mounting pieces? I'd have to see a stock RX-8 setup to see exactly what's reused. Looks like the rears come with a new jounce bumper though.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 11, 2014, 11:01:20 AM
You will when some guy shows up in an atom.
Then all of a sudden it's handicap this and adjustment that.
Meh, I don't care about winning the whole thing. I just want to beat the snot out of my coworkers :lol: If an atom wants to crush me out there, so be it. I'll be cheering him on.
Quote from: MX793 on March 11, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
How much AX experience does he have compared to you? From my experience, speed3s are very good AX cars out of the box. I haven't seen a modded FRBRZ run, but I have not been blown away by what they can do when stock.
He has zero performance driving training. I've at least done a few stints on the Ring and quite a bit of karting. I destroy him by almost 2 full seconds a lap at our local karting place too.
Quote from: MrH on March 11, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
http://cart.bilsteinus.com/pdfs/E4-WM4-Y547A00.pdf (http://cart.bilsteinus.com/pdfs/E4-WM4-Y547A00.pdf)
Look at pages 19 and 20. Looks like the fronts use the OEM top mount. The rears use the stock dust boot and some mounting pieces? I'd have to see a stock RX-8 setup to see exactly what's reused. Looks like the rears come with a new jounce bumper though.
Front
(http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/5/5455270.gif)
rear
(http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/5/5455600.gif)
You can't just a picture of suspension.
I was thinking 8, 11, and 14 for the front
5, 6, 11, 17, 18, 19 for the rear???
If I had to guess based on those:
Front: 15, 14, 11, and 8?
Rear: 19, 18, 17, 11, 5, 9?
Just a guess. The only wear items you'd might need to replace is the rear dust boot and the front top mounts (I'm guessing they have rubber bushing inserts). A lot of this other stuff should be fine still. It should be pretty obvious in person when you get it taken apart how it should go back together.
I was thinking about spending a few bucks and just getting new parts so I could get the whole assembly together ahead of time...
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2014, 06:29:47 PM
I was thinking about spending a few bucks and just getting new parts so I could get the whole assembly together ahead of time...
Meh. It takes all of 5 minutes to assemble. You have a second car too, so it wouldn't kill you to leave it on jack stands for a day or two if need be.
When I installed mine, the only part of the assembly that took a little extra time was disassembling the adjustment knobs in the rear to get the top mount on. Also, I had to open up the hole in the top mount slightly because it was too small for the piston rod to go through.
Bleh, I hate using spring compressors... was just going to leave the oems assembled
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
Bleh, I hate using spring compressors... was just going to leave the oems assembled
Spring compressors + impact wrench = win
Quote from: r0tor on March 11, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
Bleh, I hate using spring compressors... was just going to leave the oems assembled
You can't get away from using a spring compressor. You're still going to need to assemble the stock top mounts onto the coilovers. Depends on how much preload though. I was able to get a few threads of engagement just by pressing the top mount on with my body weight.
I think I could get away from a spring compressor... The front pss9s have a wimpy tender spring and the rears have a short progressive spring
Quote from: MrH on March 11, 2014, 05:43:45 PM
Meh, I don't care about winning the whole thing. I just want to beat the snot out of my coworkers :lol: If an atom wants to crush me out there, so be it. I'll be cheering him on.
He has zero performance driving training. I've at least done a few stints on the Ring and quite a bit of karting. I destroy him by almost 2 full seconds a lap at our local karting place too.
Then that's pretty much victory assured for you.
Alright, I'm registered. There's a Z06 in the novice class with me :lol: Outside of that, I stand a good chance to beat everyone else I think. The co-op at work continues his shit talking with his Mazdaspeed3 on crap tires.
I could probably beat you with my car.
hahahahahahahahaha
Quote from: MrH on March 17, 2014, 12:04:37 PM
Alright, I'm registered. There's a Z06 in the novice class with me :lol: Outside of that, I stand a good chance to beat everyone else I think. The co-op at work continues his shit talking with his Mazdaspeed3 on crap tires.
Curious how this turned out.
Quote from: MrH on March 17, 2014, 12:04:37 PM
Alright, I'm registered. There's a Z06 in the novice class with me :lol: Outside of that, I stand a good chance to beat everyone else I think. The co-op at work continues his shit talking with his Mazdaspeed3 on crap tires.
RESULTS PLZ :lol: :lol: :lol:
I ended up in Detroit that weekend at a Pistons game. We got into the suite level bar, and ended up getting drunk and watching the Final Four, so I completely missed the autoX :lol:
Don't worry, there are plenty more autoX sessions this summer.
Quote from: MrH on April 28, 2014, 07:47:35 AM
I ended up in Detroit that weekend at a Pistons game. We got into the suite level bar, and ended up getting drunk and watching the Final Four, so I completely missed the autoX :lol:
Don't worry, there are plenty more autoX sessions this summer.
Translation: You chickened out, big time.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on April 28, 2014, 08:52:37 AM
Translation: You chickened out, big time.
I was thinking the same thing
:lol:
I slapped some bilstein PSS9s on the RX8 today... Good stuff!
Quote from: r0tor on May 03, 2014, 05:53:13 PM
I slapped some bilstein PSS9s on the RX8 today... Good stuff!
I'm guessing it was a pretty big difference? How many miles are on the car? Stock shocks were probably pretty tired.
AutoX action tomorrow.
There are bets in the office about how I'll do compared to our seasoned autoX guy. He'll be in his stock NB miata on shitty 380 tread wear tires vs my BRZ. Just comparing raw times.
He'll probably be a second quicker or so, but I'd love nothing more than to be a half a second away the whole day so I keeps beating on his car to try and find a half second somewhere. :lol:
We need to do autox next summer.
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 18, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
We need to do autox next summer.
Fact. It's in Wilmington, OH, not too far from you.
Might be doing it in a new miata next year though :devil:
I'll kick your ass either way. :devil:
Quote from: MrH on October 18, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
AutoX action tomorrow.
There are bets in the office about how I'll do compared to our seasoned autoX guy. He'll be in his stock NB miata on shitty 380 tread wear tires vs my BRZ. Just comparing raw times.
He'll probably be a second quicker or so, but I'd love nothing more than to be a half a second away the whole day so I keeps beating on his car to try and find a half second somewhere. :lol:
Where are you doing it?
Quote from: Secret Chimp on October 18, 2014, 12:22:10 PM
Where are you doing it?
Wilmington, OH.
Just from work, we'll have my BRZ, NB miata, '12 Mustang 5.0, bmw 135i. Should be a good showdown.
Quote from: MrH on October 18, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
AutoX action tomorrow.
There are bets in the office about how I'll do compared to our seasoned autoX guy. He'll be in his stock NB miata on shitty 380 tread wear tires vs my BRZ. Just comparing raw times.
He'll probably be a second quicker or so, but I'd love nothing more than to be a half a second away the whole day so I keeps beating on his car to try and find a half second somewhere. :lol:
I'm autox'ing too! Thought I'd have the diff installed by now but I got lazy.
I'm surprised you have that many people who like cars. And not in a redneck/old guy sort of way.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 18, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
I'm surprised you have that many people who like cars. And not in a redneck/old guy sort of way.
There's probably 10 of us at least who are big into cars. Our lunch discussions are about as car nerdy as they come. We've got a bad ass collection of cool cars at work.
Everyone let's everyone drive each other's cars too, strangely enough.
At the last place I worked people were sitting around talking about how unreasonable it is to buy a Corvette that you can only drive for 3 seasons.
Dumpy boring people. Good riddance.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 18, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
At the last place I worked people were sitting around talking about how unreasonable it is to buy a Corvette that you can only drive for 3 seasons.
Dumpy boring people. Good riddance.
Yeah, interiors was like that too. Couple of casual enthusiasts, but no real car nuts.
This place is different. Tons of real enthusiasts here. I just found out our welding process engineer just so happens to race professionally and has an E30 M3. I had no idea.
bUmp?
How'd it go down?
Didn't even happen. :facepalm: Had to fight some work fires and missed the driver's meeting.
New jerb time
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 18, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
I'm surprised you have that many people who like cars. And not in a redneck/old guy sort of way.
He works with a bunch of car enthusiasts.....and some VW guys(whatever you want to call them).
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/scion-made-fr-targa-turbo-almost-perfect-200053369.html
:wub: wish for a Subie version
Now that I've got something better than the Element to get to work in, the question is: Do I keep the BRZ?
Crazy ideas I've thought about:
- Sell BRZ and invest the money
- Keep BRZ + do some minor mods (exhaust & taillights mostly)
- Keep BRZ + add turbo
- New Miata
- Used Boxster
- Save for awhile and get used 911 (air cooled or 997+)
- Slingshot (probably a big no)
- Ducati Scrambler :mask:
No idea what I'm going to do.
Used Boxster
Give it to me for Christmas and rest assured I will appreciate it forever and drive it every day for the rest of my life
I'd either sell it and invest the money or buy a new miata.
Do you have any current investments? If not then I'd really lean towards selling the brz and starting something. Then save up a few bucks and buy a used miata for 4-5K just to have some fun.
honestly though I'd sell it, drop the cash into investment to get new MIATA when they are available next year
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 15, 2014, 09:22:18 AM
Used Boxster
In other words you want him to invest in the german economy by way of the porsche parts department.
Probably not going to get the best return out of that one.
But Porsche. But topless driving. But steering feel.
and now that he has a lady friend both can have their own trunk for a getaway.
I say used Boxster. Or Ducati Scrambler if you want to die young.
I vote for the Scrambler, with some other comments/ideas.
M96 Porsches are just not worth buying, unless you have the stomach to buy one with the intent of doing an engine replacement ASAP.
Air cooled Porsches make my pants happy. 997s are OK too. But they seem a little obvious. I think you would like an NSX or Evora S a lot more.
Unless you plan to track the BRZ regularly, I think selling it is the move. I will bet 9,999 times out of 10,000, you will be going for the Rocket Couch over the BRZ. It's on your resume now.... you did it, unless there is a plan for it going forward that doesn't just involve throwing money at it its prob time to move on.
I really do like the Scrambler. Not for me personally, but as an idea in general. If you aren't an idiot you should be OK on it. If you have any 2-lane routes to work, you will get hella legit use out of it, and it will offset the RC's gas costs. Way cooler than any sports car as well. Just make sure you take the MSF class and really take time to hone your skills and become a better rider. I will always have a bike if I can. Even a quick ride to the gym is fun and makes it worth it.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 10:09:56 AM
I vote for the Scrambler, with some other comments/ideas.
M96 Porsches are just not worth buying, unless you have the stomach to buy one with the intent of doing an engine replacement ASAP.
Air cooled Porsches make my pants happy. 997s are OK too. But they seem a little obvious. I think you would like an NSX or Evora S a lot more.
Unless you plan to track the BRZ regularly, I think selling it is the move. I will bet 9,999 times out of 10,000, you will be going for the Rocket Couch over the BRZ. It's on your resume now.... you did it, unless there is a plan for it going forward that doesn't just involve throwing money at it its prob time to move on.
I really do like the Scrambler. Not for me personally, but as an idea in general. If you aren't an idiot you should be OK on it. If you have any 2-lane routes to work, you will get hella legit use out of it, and it will offset the RC's gas costs. Way cooler than any sports car as well. Just make sure you take the MSF class and really take time to hone your skills and become a better rider. I will always have a bike if I can. Even a quick ride to the gym is fun and makes it worth it.
Yeah, that's the thing. 90% of my driving is just to work and back. The Genesis is a lot better for that.
And the BRZ doesn't bring the open top thrills the miata did. As an only car, it's a much better vehicle. A motorcycle is probably even more fun, but I don't trust myself on one.
I think the new miata probably represents the most street fun per $ that isn't a motorcycle. Boxsters and Caymans are too much of a maintenance & insurance money pit.
So you want two brand new cars? Kinda pointless but whatever floats your boat
Quote from: MrH on December 15, 2014, 10:56:49 AM
Yeah, that's the thing. 90% of my driving is just to work and back. The Genesis is a lot better for that.
And the BRZ doesn't bring the open top thrills the miata did. As an only car, it's a much better vehicle. A motorcycle is probably even more fun, but I don't trust myself on one.
I think the new miata probably represents the most street fun per $ that isn't a motorcycle. Boxsters and Caymans are too much of a maintenance & insurance money pit.
U also have to figure, for a drop top, how much real open air time u will get. Down here I see a lot of convertibles but none with the top down. Strangely, with the right clothing, a motorcycle is more versatile, at least from what I've seen. Maybe not.
Miata is a good buy if open air thrills are key.
Man I can't wait for the day I can earn enough to blow money on a sports car
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 15, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
Man I can't wait for the day I can earn enough to blow money on a sports car
Well if you didn't have to spend so much money to keep a VW on the road you could probably afford one.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
U also have to figure, for a drop top, how much real open air time u will get. Down here I see a lot of convertibles but none with the top down. Strangely, with the right clothing, a motorcycle is more versatile, at least from what I've seen. Maybe not.
Miata is a good buy if open air thrills are key.
Unless it's super hot or super cold or actually raining my Miata was top-down.
I see waaaaay too many verts of all kinds around here with the top up on good driving days. :huh:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 15, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
U also have to figure, for a drop top, how much real open air time u will get. Down here I see a lot of convertibles but none with the top down. Strangely, with the right clothing, a motorcycle is more versatile, at least from what I've seen. Maybe not.
Miata is a good buy if open air thrills are key.
It was probably down 60-70% of the time I had the NC. So if I got another miata, it would pretty much be down anytime I drove it.
Quote from: MrH on December 16, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
It was probably down 60-70% of the time I had the NC. So if I got another miata, it would pretty much be down anytime I drove it.
Not if girly friend is with you
PUT THIS TOP UP LIKE OMG YOURE GONNA MESS UP MY HAIR IM GOING TO LOOK SO STUPID YOU DONT WANT ME TO LOOK STUPID DO YOU YOU WANT ME TO LOOK HOT WTF
Read that in her voice and tell me you can't see that happening.
+ a billion
Quote from: 68_427 on December 16, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
Not if girly friend is with you
PUT THIS TOP UP LIKE OMG YOURE GONNA MESS UP MY HAIR IM GOING TO LOOK SO STUPID YOU DONT WANT ME TO LOOK STUPID DO YOU YOU WANT ME TO LOOK HOT WTF
Read that in her voice and tell me you can't see that happening.
Naw. She's not a big girly girl and puts up with me pretty well. If anything, she'd just suggest to take the Genesis more often. :huh:
I've warned my wife about hair-wind.
She's still cool with saving money for an older Miata. We both lust after the new one though.... :(
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 17, 2014, 07:02:47 AM
I've warned my wife about hair-wind.
She's still cool with saving money for an older Miata. We both lust after the new one though.... :(
Yeah, that's what ponytails are for.
Quote from: 68_427 on December 16, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
Not if girly friend is with you
PUT THIS TOP UP LIKE OMG YOURE GONNA MESS UP MY HAIR IM GOING TO LOOK SO STUPID YOU DONT WANT ME TO LOOK STUPID DO YOU YOU WANT ME TO LOOK HOT WTF
Read that in her voice and tell me you can't see that happening.
So the real reason they're called "hairdressers' cars" is that they keep hairdressers in business?
Something topless and unreliable
I used to date a girl with a convertible and she had the top down all the time. :huh:
Keep the BRZ (if it's paid off) and have fun with it in Autocross.
Quote from: Raza on December 17, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
Sounds like my ex-wife.
If youve ever been married, ill eat my own hat
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5153179762.html (http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5153179762.html)
Who wants to buy it?!
What's the SPIN price?
Saving up for that HHR? I'd rather keep the BRZ, but to each his own.
Quote from: Rupert on August 02, 2015, 01:55:33 PM
What's the SPIN price?
I'd knock some money off if someone here was legitimately interested.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 02, 2015, 02:09:09 PM
Saving up for that HHR? I'd rather keep the BRZ, but to each his own.
:lol: Hate those things.
Actually, probably going back to an NC miata, but it'll be more of a project. BRZ is too nice/worth too much to hack up.
Quote from: MrH on August 02, 2015, 01:39:06 PM
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5153179762.html (http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5153179762.html)
Who wants to buy it?!
License plate looks fucked up. I'll give you $500 for the car.
EXOCET EXOCET EXOCET
818?
Too much work. I'm thinking NC with either the flyin Miata targa kit, or a 2.5 liter engine swap
Quote from: MrH on August 02, 2015, 07:06:45 PM
Too much work. I'm thinking NC with either the flyin Miata targa kit, or a 2.5 liter engine swap
Fiero with S/C 3800 swap?
Quote from: MX793 on August 02, 2015, 07:07:47 PM
Fiero with S/C 3800 swap?
Lol oh god no. I hate fieros.
Quote from: MrH on August 02, 2015, 07:08:40 PM
Lol oh god no. I hate fieros.
Fieros were awesome. Especially the last year when Lotus did the suspension. Toss in a better powertrain and a Ferrari body kit and you're good to go.
I watched some videos of 3800 Fieros.
Only three upshifts and a 6k RPM redline... pretty underwhelming acceleration runs.
Quote from: MrH on August 02, 2015, 06:55:23 PM
They're sooooo ugly doe
Not when u drive them
So lightweights
Much swaps
1300lbs dude. No Miata build will ever compare
Quote from: MrH on August 02, 2015, 02:16:28 PM
:lol: Hate those things.
Actually, probably going back to an NC miata, but it'll be more of a project. BRZ is too nice/worth too much to hack up.
A buddy actually bought a HHR turbo a while back after his S14 240SX finally died. I always thought it was kind of a strange decision...
People are dumb. I'm asking $22,800 with wheels and tires. Guy offered me $17k for it :facepalm:
Quote from: MrH on August 03, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
People are dumb. I'm asking $22,800 with wheels and tires. Guy offered me $17k for it :facepalm:
That's not bad actually, I've usually received offers around 50% or less than what I was asking.
I had a guy tell me my 70K mile mint 300ZX Turbo was worth "5000 tops".
Quote from: MrH on August 03, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
People are dumb. I'm asking $22,800 with wheels and tires. Guy offered me $17k for it :facepalm:
Not a bad starting point on his part. KBB private party used value in your area for a 2013 BRZ Limited with 36k miles is $19.8k and customization generally lowers a car's value...
It's got 30k miles. KBB is a bit lower than what the market is saying right now. I'm right in line with completely stock BRZs in asking price, but I've got $2k coilovers + $2k in wheels and tires.
I countered with $20,800 and I keep the wheels and tires. He said he'll think about it, which means no. That would put me close to $2k under all other BRZs for sale in the area.
17 isn't a terrible offer, idk man
The coilovers are worthless unless the prospective buyer planned to mod the car and install the same, or comparable, components. To some buyers, the stiffer suspension could even be a detractor. The wheels likewise won't be worth their list price on the car unless the prospect wanted those specific wheels.
Sounds like a decent starting point to me as well. I wouldn't fixate on listed prices or expect to get anything back on the mods.
Quote from: MrH on August 03, 2015, 09:47:24 AM
It's got 30k miles. KBB is a bit lower than what the market is saying right now. I'm right in line with completely stock BRZs in asking price, but I've got $2k coilovers + $2k in wheels and tires.
I countered with $20,800 and I keep the wheels and tires. He said he'll think about it, which means no. That would put me close to $2k under all other BRZs for sale in the area.
KBB and NADA are what cars actually sell for, not what they were originally listed for. IMO it's safe to assume that most any used car lcan easily be had for 10% below asking price (and 15% with a bit of work).
Banks generally won't bump up the LTV % to cover mod cost (and most anyone interested in a ~$20k car these days will be financing it). Insurance is tricky too as either mods won't be covered or they'll increase premiums if claimed.
You should take the mods off and sell them separately.
Guys, it's been posted for like 16 hours. Calm the fuck down.
Quote from: GoCougs on August 03, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
KBB and NADA are what cars actually sell for, not what they were originally listed for.
False.
You the one mad about an asking price
I wouldn't want to buy a modified car for $20k under most circumstances. Might be OK, as I'm sure yours is, but IMO it's a big risk.
I think his asking prices are reasonable. From what Im seeing hes not asking list price for his mods. If I were in the market for a car like this, a car on Bilstein PSS, RPF-1s and Michelin PSSs would speak to a car BETTER cared for than a stock one IMO. No Megan Racing 32 way Nankang bullshit. Real issue is whether or not the bottom feeders of CL will know what they are looking at. It's probably better to post it to a BRZ or road racing forum..... in my experience 90% of CL folks are time wasting dreamers.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 03, 2015, 06:31:41 PM
in my experience 90% of CL folks are time wasting dreamers.
this probably
How much would Ebay scrape from you? Gets national exposure that way. Autotrader and cars.com might be good too
Quote from: MrH on August 02, 2015, 07:06:45 PM
Too much work. I'm thinking NC with either the flyin Miata targa kit, or a 2.5 liter engine swap
Just get an ND.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 03, 2015, 09:12:22 AM
That's not bad actually, I've usually received offers around 50% or less than what I was asking.
I had a guy tell me my 70K mile mint 300ZX Turbo was worth "5000 tops".
I'll give you $5,001.
No, wait. I'll give you $5,001 for your Evo. Do you still have an Evo? If not, buy one, and then sell it to me for $5,001.
Quote from: Raza on August 04, 2015, 07:28:00 AM
I'll give you $5,001.
No, wait. I'll give you $5,001 for your Evo. Do you still have an Evo? If not, buy one, and then sell it to me for $5,001.
Evo's gone, but send me the 5K(cash) to my PO box and I'll ship the Z to you.
I went back to read through the thread since I remembered you bought some wider wheels/tires, and I'm thinking about doing the same. I wanted to read about your impressions after they were on.
You had this thing how long and didn't even take it to one autoX or track day? You're killing me smalls.