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So you put the Focus St infront of it, which has more power? At least the Si has a LSD
I misread which Si. Thought it was the upcoming turbo one, not the later NA ones. Yeah, the NA one is more manageable. That said, Honda screwed up when the switched to the 2.4. the gearing doesn't complement the motor.
Ok Honda boi
So you like the IS350 but want something more raw.....if only Lexus made such a thing......
There aren't that many and no listings are very close to you, but they're out there:
(http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/hn/d646d0c45a1746309c74f77ef2d6f5ae.jpg)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=27601&endYear=2017&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3FendYear%3D2017%26zip%3D27601%26maxPrice%3D24000%26modelCodeList%3DISF%26mmt%3D%255BLEXUS%255BISF%255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode1%3DISF%26sortBy%3DdistanceASC%26startYear%3D1981%26makeCode1%3DLEXUS%26showcaseOwnerId%3D0%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D0%26makeCodeList%3DLEXUS&modelCode1=ISF&showcaseOwnerId=0&makeCode1=LEXUS&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&numRecords=25&searchRadius=0&maxPrice=24000&listingId=434190917&makeCode1=LEXUS&modelCode1=ISF
No faster than his Civic, MPG is just as bad as the 350, and the 2.5L has sludge/carbon issues.
Weren't the sludge issues on Toyota V6s the result of owners who predominantly drove very short trips such that the engine didn't often get up to temp?
V6 Carries had it, and they used the 3.5.
Too $$$$$$$$$$, no faster, same gas mileage. Can't lie though, that interior is worth every $ of that premium. But $35K is an F30 335i 6MT with warranty. No brainer
I think it looks as good or better than just about anything in that class right now.
But no manual outside of the IS250.
Gs look like fat pigs. Especially lowered ones, where it looks like the back is sagging because it ate all the pies at Thanksgiving dinner. Besides, do you just want a car that's just like your 350Z but is even more disappointing to drive?
So you want it to not work most of the time? Definitely go 335i then :lol:
If you get an E90 328i you can hang out with Char and talk about how shitty VW's are. :lol:
You know I've never driven one of those but I actually wonder how fun it might be.
I mean...200 lb-ft @ 1250 RPM seems like it would be kind of fun, no? I know it runs out of breathe higher up but since he is going to be tuning it with Char anyway that just means there is more room for mods. :ohyeah:
No, a built R18 with a turbo would be AWESOME!!!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/1981_Renault_18_Turbo_(nakhon100).jpg)
:wub:
That was the main reason I didn't look at Miatas when shopping for the S2000.
No, the Z was disappointing to drive. You just didn't notice. :devil:
I didn't even bother driving one, especially since I wanted a convertible.
If not liking cars anymore is what happens when you buy a motorcycle, I'm never buying one. Camry time for you, a Harley will be next.
Trust me, I've never once gotten back into my Miata and been sad it was not an automatic. When I was injured I was itching just as badly to get back to driving a manual as I was to get back to riding.
Different strokes I guess. Riding a bike is like riding an animal or wearing a Gundam suit. Driving, even at 10/10ths, doesn't come close IMO. Plus for me anyway, *dons flame suit* sim racing is like 90% as fun as street driving. OK, the g-forces aren't there, but to my caveman brain it's close enough.
(http://www.200forums.com/forum/attachments/2015-2016-chrysler-200-uf-appearance-body/35378d1446906455-scale-suspension-20151107_090444.jpg)
Yeah... he's all over the place. He said previously that the way a car looks doesn't matter, then wants to get a 200 only because it looks good. :facepalm:
Me. Duh. My initials are C.S. :praise:
All I know is I want something fast, somewhat luxurious, somewhat engaging and able to fit in my garage. My lil bro has an Altima V6... most of the midsizers have no appeal to me. Outside of the engine that car is complete garbage to drive. Maybe the 200 is, IDK. But it's different and worth a look IMO. I think the IS350/G37 are the top choices though.
Yeah, that one.
Probably right about finding a low mileage one. Unless a grandma who never drove hers decides to sell.
Hey, the BRZ was never a mistake. I don't regret buying that car for one second.
Now the Genesis...alright, I'll give you that one :lol:
Civic then.
My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one. Or a Maserati Ghibli, which is neither. If you want reliable, buy Japanese. If you want a good car that may need to be fixed once in a while, don't.
Lol no
Lol I think this is the most snobbish post ever written on the SPIN.
That's what I was going for. :lol:
Too subtle? Next time I'll throw in some iPhone v. Android. :dance:
They don't hold their value because they're shit cars. They're cheap for a reason.
Water leaks, timing chains, door lock actuators, differentials...
Nah, I think built protouring cars = bikes.
A turd with bolt ons is still a turd.
What is that?
The BMW almost pulls it off, but lowering them that much really points out how awkward and fat looking the rear wheel area looks on the other cars. And it makes them look like the front is higher than the rear because of how weird the wheel wells look.
They look like they're carrying dead bodies in the trunk over a broken rear suspension.
Acura ILX..
Acura Civic with Si engine
Gross. Why not just a Civic Si?
+1
(Except on older cars like mine where the tires are meant to tuck in. Then you lower it until the fender is even with the top lip of the rim)
Yeah, you're right. Good call
I'm with you there. And I hate to use cliche marketing lingo, but I feel that it's a true game-changer. It's the kind of car that would make people question spending money on anything more expensive
Em pee gees.
:lol:
I really just wanted to post a pic of a slammed 200 :lol:
The 3.6L is ok
but the 9AT is garbage
and the 2.4 is flaming garbage. And it's on a stretched compact car platform and it has no room.
Don't do it
It means the lead designer gets to buy a Vette?
Is that the adult version of being slimed on Nickelodeon?
*does not see Scandinavian architect*
Hey, you can buy something boring or you can go for it, for possibly the last time before you have kids. Don't give in to the boring before you have to.
The second generation ST and RS used the Volvo I5 turbo. North America never got the 2nd gen Focus at all (ours was the ugly, facelifted 1st generation), but we did get its platform-mates: 1st generation Mazda3 and Volvo S40/C30/V50.
So, he'll end up with a Mazda3.:devil:
Close enough. :dance:
Someone who lives on my block has a blue Polestar. It is sexy. I actually drove a C30 when I got the GTI, and while I liked the interior and the T5, the GTI was a better drive imo
Did you drive the version with the sport suspension or the base/soft suspension?
GTI did basically win all the reviews against it. But his wife already has a Rabbit, so I guessed they wouldn't want two in the family.
Don't remember, this was in like 2011
Didn't follow them that closely to know how options evolved, but when they first came out there were 2 trims: 1.0 and 2.0. 1.0 had A/S tires and softer suspension. Sport suspension and wider summer performance tires came on the 2.0. Sport suspension may have been an option on the 1.0. C&D's testing back in '08 was of a 1.0 with the regular suspension and A/S tires. They noted it was comfortable and well composed, but definitely more relaxed than the hot hatch segment.
The C1 platform was as up to date as anything else of the same vintage (mid to late '00s). It would obviously be a couple of generations behind a brand new Civic.
Used Volvo compared to a New Civic, I meant.
Yeah, but if you buy a used Volvo, you get an upscale interior, some of the best seats EVER to be bolted into a car, and nice exterior styling. If you buy a new Civic....you get none of those.
S40's are shit.
I'm not saying S40, am I?
But by what metric?
OP didn't say shit about what kind of car you were looking for:
My joke post about Japanese cars basically sucking and European ones being the only ones worth driving becomes truer everyday, as sport models die (or are reincarnated into NSX-like fat hybrid pigs). Buy something fun before driving your own car becomes illegal, per your dream. :devil:
Shit, homie, The Suckening of cars didn't just start this week.
The steering is whack, and the interior is lame. Most modern compact cars beat it up.
The T5 AWD is a somewhat interesting prospect, especially with some aftermarket suspension bits. Kind of like the Saabaru, but on a better platform.
Then it was definitely one with the base suspension
Maybe the T5 AWD is better but the S40 I drove awhile back was such a wholly uninteresting car. The E90 and F30 are so much better
If anything sport sedans peaked from 2004-2012 or so. Hot hatches and pony cars continued to improve but I'm only tangentially looking at hatches and fundamentally opposed to pony car packaging efficiency (and not looking at coupes)
So the parameters are set. 4 doors, RWD, 280+ hp, not much bigger than the Civic to comfortably fit in my garage when winter comes. So no Civics, no lukewarm Volvo etc. Why should i settle?
I support this decision.
+1
Which begs the question, why not an Accord over the 200? They still make the sedans with the V6 and 6MT, right?
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But what's wrong w an accord sport?
Some of them are shit right out of the factory.
For real. RX-8. RWD, quick, great manual, good looks, usable back seats.
And fuel economy will be high teens or low 20s.
The seats are nearly as usable as in most of the cars he's looking at. No one is going to choose one as a chauffeur car over a Phantom, but still.
(http://cdn.pinthiscars.com/images/2004-mazda-rx8-interior-wallpaper-8.jpg)
As for the engine, as long as you care for it properly, it should be fine.
Have you sat in one? At 6'3" I had no problem in the back of an RX8.
Also, the Renesis is not garbage. It just blew kept blowing up due to improper maintenance from owners.
Even if cared for properly, they generally won't last as long as a piston engine before needing a rebuild.
Also, since you'd be looking at a used one, how do you know if the previous owner(s) treated it right?
Buy one that just had its engine replaced? :lol:
That's what my friend did.
Also, in '09 they added more oil injectors for increased life. My friend has been tracking the shit out of his (like 40+ track events) and hasn't had any problems with the car. He also premixes his gas too and is generally pretty anal about maintenance.
Do note that I never suggested it. Just that the reliability is at least partly to blame on owners and that the back seat doesn't completely suck.
I do think it's one of the worst suggestions so far though (sorry Raza).
Onslaught had an R3, which had the updated motor.
A Camry isn't a bad idea. What's quoted above is really really stupid though.
Otherwise, nothin' really wrong with a Camry. They are what they are.
He ran a 4cyl out of a Civic, I'd imagine the 4cyl in a midsizer would get run out much earlier.
He needs a V6. He likes V6 noises anyway
He misshifted his civic. That's what killed it. And now he's looking at autos.
I just think a Mazda6 is more enjoyable to drive. A V6 camry is quick, but not really satisfying.
Whatever I get has to be a project. That is just my automotive life. It is what it is, "really stupid" or not.
Duuuuude a Corolla with AWD and a V6 would be a fuckin' HOOT in the winter.
Better looks, better interior, better to drive?
It'll drive significantly better than a Camry.
You need to rent a 200 for a week so you can put that idea to rest.
I need to get behind the wheels of these things.
OK, I'll give you looks, and FWIW the '07-14 (especially the facelifted ones) SE V6s are pretty nice looking cars.
Fair enough. Point is to keep the new VanillaMobile stock and in mint condition, tinker with the toy.
ROOOFL tell me about it. Fucking terrible car.
Tercel
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+1
I want my mom to get an Accord Hybrid. 200 something combined HP and 50 mpg
We know. :facepalm:
It's hard to pick something more boring than the Civic but it seems you'll manage to do it.
What's the daily split look like between the bike and car? You seem pretty over cars as a whole so it'd make sense to get a Camry or something if you just would rather ride.
I would also rather ride but still don't want to give up driving. If I were to do it again I'd get something with practical with a stick, like a wagon, and not something so hardcore like the Miata, but eh.
Truthfully I should have got a G sedan when I got the Z, but I couldn't afford one with low enough miles to keep for a long time at that point. Now I can
It's not. It just doesn't have that "cool" factor.
Plus, my 4Runner had a manual. :neverforget: :canada: :erjerbs: :internetry:
Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry. Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.
It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth. Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat). Relatively athletic handling. V6 was reasonably peppy.
The 5 door was so cool. I wish that was more popular. 5 door MS6 would have been amazing.
I'll see your 240D and raise you a Volvo 240DL stick shift.
2nd gens have a nice sized V6 but man are they ugly. Gas guzzlers and auto only too. Nearest Mazda dealer to me is about 11 miles away and the opposite way from work as opposed to the Toyota dealer which is half the distance and right off the highway on the way to work. Not a terrible suggestion but the Camry still wins.... 09 Camrys look way better IMO.
I think it's because it's the "unthusiast" car. It's what the average person gets.
It's a great car for what it is, just seems like the easy choice, and I'm surprised you want one since you seem to like the quirky choices. :lol:
It's not worse :confused:
I drive a 4Runner because I like and use the utility of it. :huh:
Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.
People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.
Because it seems like a waste of money if you ever sell the car. If you swap everything back to stock you can sell the car but then you still have a bunch of useless mods that will be a bitch to get rid of. I'm imagining there isn't much of a market for aftermarket used parts.
Unless I really end up loving this thing it's gonna be a transitional car anyway. Like I said before I could see myself in an M235i or I/GS350 F-sport for a very long time once they're in my price range. Probably won't even mod those. But I do want something a little more chill and quick in the short term. Modded Camry V6 can bridge the gap.
Because the whole car isn't designed for it. It's not like the Camry is some amazing sports car, just waiting for a decent set of shocks to unleash it's potential. The whole thing is flawed from a dynamics perspective. And no one wants coilovers for it, so there aren't even any decent options. You're stuck with some no name garbage set of coilovers. So you're going to ruin the smooth ride and gain nothing essentially.
And Tein makes coilovers for it, as do Fortune Auto, who sends a dyno test out with every set they build #datdigression
Bottom line is you are trying to present your personal beliefs/tastes as some kind of objective truth, and failing :lol: If coilovers are OK for a FWD A6 they are OK for a Camry.
I think this has the potential to be if not awesome, at least interesting and practical enough to warrant doing.
You're giving up a lot of utility for possibly even more boring to drive.
Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M775ieGVYik/UJC6l82Fi0I/AAAAAAAAAUA/iAwicwPdl5E/s1600/Why_so_serious__by_inge80.jpg)
You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:
Yes, we know it's fast. And it can make noises. But it's fugly. And I have to assume the brakes, steering and shift logic are as infuriating as ever. Anyway, wouldn't you rather have an Accord?
Naw I did the Accord thing already. Had friends with V6 Accords and TLs. Did the VQ thing too obviously. Have to cross the final frontier of decent Japanese V6s
This is the worst logic to force yourself to buy a pointless car. It sounds like something I would do, except I would never spend so much money to do itm
1. I enjoy cars plenty--there just aren't many cars that are enjoyable.
2. I take everything seriously.
1. Thruxton
2. I like turtles
I understand, but disagree with the premise.
A cap
Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out :lol:
:hammerhead:
Don't be silly. Besides, you can figure out most of it yourself.
I can bolt some child seats in the bed. Fuel economy is 15! And airbags, uhh, I can probably find some leftover Takata ones to throw in. :lol:
Here's what fits the Camry
http://www.trdusa.com/parts-results.html?years=2013&models=Camry&categories=all&subcategories=all
Okay, I'm really going to have to confiscate that gearhead card now! :nono:
06 or 07 through 11 SEs got extra chassis bracing. 12+ SEs only got stiffer springs and dampers (possibly bushings and sway bars).
And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test)
The 2012 refresh didn't add any more sportiness, and the EPAS removed whatever feel the older SE's steering had gained.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/toyota-camry-se-v6-road-test-review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/toyota-camry-se-v6-road-test-review)
Here is a much more positive review from someone who knows what they're talking about in about the most sporting context for a road test possible:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/review-toyota-camry-se-2-5l-track-tested/
"Admittedly, I'm an old hand at tossing a crappy sedan around racetracks but on the wet skidpad the Camry showed the whole paddock the sterling qualities of its chassis. It was possible to distinctly and accurately feel the "bite point" where the front wheels found their maximum traction through the water, at which point a quick lift of the throttle would put the big sedan lazily sideways for a full half-circle of the skidpad. Camry drifting! I can't criticize the steering of any car where that's possible. Period, point blank. This car steers very well."
Granted this is the 4 and not the 6 but :huh:
Camry is just an easy target for self-identifying "car enthusiasts"
Let's apply a little logic. C&D praised the sporting character and steering feel of the Mazda3. You drove one and found it lackluster and unsatisfactory. They denounce the sporting character of a Camry, and you think it will be good? If their idea of praiseworthy sporting character is below your standards, imagine how bad their idea of un-sporty is...
Also, having numb steering doesn't mean you can't sense when the front end is about to let go. Accurate steering and tactile steering are two distinct things. I have hundreds of auto-x runs in a car that had little to no steering feel. That doesn't mean I had no sense of what was happening at the tires. I just couldn't count on the steering wheel to tell me much of anything.
Also, being able to chuck a car sideways on a wet skid pad doesn't mean it's good to drive otherwise. See: Ford Crown Victoria. The Camry has intrusive and non-defeatable stability control. On a wet skidpad, limits are low enough that you can coax most any car, even with intrusive nannies, into a slide. You can coax a school bus into a drift in those conditions.
For someone who isn't looking for approval, you sure seem to be asking for it a lot. :lol:
used one
True. Also, the VTEC filter will clog up much faster without an air filter in place. Ask me how I know.
Then you buy one :lol:
Yeah, but I don't want an automatic snooze-mobile. :devil:
Fast, luxurious, comfortable, Japanese. Ticks all the boxes for him.
My mom used to have a GS. 300, I think. First gen. I liked it a lot, but I was a small child.
Yeah, that old interior is rough.
That whole generation of Lexus interiors are bad. I'm just reminded of my idiot coworker from back when I worked in car interiors. We were both in the same group, fresh out of college, making under $60k a year. She had student loans out the wazoo, two mortgages (she was trying to rent one of them, to her ex none the less :facepalm:), and was only 23. She bought a used IS250 AWD in white for like $30k, on a 72 month loan and thought she was sooooo cool :facepalm:
Now that whole generation of Lexus interiors just reminds me of financial suicide :lol:
I'd be ok with an Acura over a Camry
Why do you really care either way?
I will take donations lol.
Because we want you to be happy. And no one who owns a Camry is happy.
Hey man, we just want what's best for you. That doesn't make us unhappy because of your bad choices. Just......disappointed.
Extremely.
(I voted N55 335i or G37)
At least Acura pays some attention to the driver. Also, certainly a superior mechanical design, and IMO better asthetic design.
I'm not a fan of the G coupe but the G sedan is the best of poser bunch, esp. once reliability/durability is factored in.
The VQ is a gruff old lump but it fits the G37's raw character perfectly. Plus it's got lots of power, and is as reliable as a hammer.
Says rebuilt title but still, picking that up for say $9,000 or so, it would be worth it at that point, if the repairs were done well.
Takes a lot of body damage to result in a salvage title. Most likely a flood car. Maybe fire/smoke damage.
I'd probably go GTI honestly.
The G37 looks better, is more interesting to drive, is much more reliable, has a honking N/A V6, and is generally cheaper.
Considering that the V36 G is 5 years older (an entire automotive generation) than the F30, I would certainly hope that the latter is better.
And I would wager the Infiniti is going to be cheaper to own than a BMW.
Component by component it's tough. Engine wise the G sounds way better, which matters to me... and in stickshift is an easy second faster to 60 & 1/4. But that comes at a steep price.... almost $1K more in annual fuel costs if not more. Worth it? IDK. I'd have to add depreciation into the mix. Chassis wise, also a wash IMO... FM platform is awesome, RWD is fun, but at the end of the day the G is 600-700lb heavier and almost 2 ft longer than the GTI, on essentially the same tires (in width and type). There's something to be said for size in the context of dynamic balance. Speaking of size, width aside the cars are just as roomy as each other and the GTI has a much better trunk situation. Will be easier to park when we go to the city, or to Lowes, or the local dump etc.... I do feel like the GTI will be a much nicer car to live with.
Only real dark horses are reliability and resale.... but for 3 yrs, who cares? Plus the GTI will be under factory warranty while the G won't.
I like the looks and steering of the G37 better. I don't really care for the syrupy helm of German cars - it feels great at speed, but it's just dour around town. G37 is definitely inferior in terms of interior fit and finish. More rattle prone, that's for sure.
VQ sounds amazing at >5K RPM, but the BMW I6 is sooooooooooo much better with NVH.
The G37 is a great car on paper. It ends there, really.
Though to be fair if the G37 6MT is like the one in the Z I might go auto. Upgraded valve body + TCU flash are easier fixes than whatever it would take to cure that long + heavy clutch and heavy + notchy shifter
NO
I've always thought the VQ is a lazy, dron-y motor.
(For the record, I'm a big fan of the late-torque-making GM 3.6L SIDI)
:lol:
We know about you and GM though. You should preface your posts about GM with (Sponsored Content) :lol:
LFX is a great engine though. Better than the VQ in a lot of important metrics.
it's a good motor until it stretches a timing chain
Totally. I actually prefer the looks of the G37 sedan to the coupe. More curves, sits back on its haunches.
Word. It's not great. I'd totally take the 6MT.
Is that one of those things that if you keep saying it, you start believing it?
I think the cars are different enough that it's almost hard to compare them at all. But the G is a good car. I can think of a lot of worse cars in its class.
Yeah, the G is a fine enough car, I suppose. The adulation heaped on to it on this forum doesn't quite match up to its merits, though. Let's not forget that it's mostly a spec sheet. It's heavy, devoid of feel, and (the manual Z, especially) have horrible controls. Unless the 3 series has gotten a lot worse since I've driven one (which is possible), it's not a competitor once the numbers fall away and the real world feel of the cars are compared.
VERSA is actually an acronym. The full name is Very Exceptional Racing Sports Automobile.
Makes sense to me. :cheers:
But the Evora only made 10hp more. Why swap cams?
They make aftermarket cams for it
That's overkill though. An intake + exhaust will make it a 14 second car with a good engine sound. All I need
More expensive, less reliable, and less performance than an equivalent year G37 or TL...
Is your Internetry ever going to get better? It's like you purposefully Do It Wrong in order to bask in the drama of it. I'm getting to the point that it literally makes me feel uneasy in my correction.
I was responding to this utterly ridiculous notion of swapping SUV/minivan brakes and transaxle into a Camry V6. The equivalent year G or TL will be less expensive, more reliable and better performing.
Even with the mods I have planned the Camry will still be cheaper than a same year G easily. Nothing I have planned will affect reliability. G/TL are low 14/high 13 second cars; 6th gen Camry V6 does the quarter in 14.3@99... with intake/exhaust it would be just as fast. Don't get fresh with me because you've been too scared to turn a wrench since the 80s :evildude:
As a drum player and person with a generally great sense of rhythm, listening to people honk three times to start a race makes me itch. They're always like Honk...HonkHONK. Not horribly fair.
It's almost as bad as listening to a crowd trying to clap to a beat and losing it after four claps.
Holy shit I know, and I can't even play the drums.
You think it'll take two years?
It does when he keeps inventing new excuses for not buying the better car in the first place.
No, you don't. You can even be an interesting person and own a Camry, I assume. But you can't have an interesting car to drive and have a Camry if the Camry is your only car. You'll be bored of it in six weeks, try to rationalize money-draining mods for another 12 weeks, then want out in 6 months.
As I've said before, no car short of something like an Ariel Atom is going to be as exciting as a motorcycle.... so with that precursor, why seek out driving excitement at all? Especially considering I get more than my fill of 4 wheel excitement via racing sims and karting?
All I want/need is a car that is
- RELIABLE
- practical
- cheap to operate
- quiet how I want (i.e. no road/tire/wind noise)
- roomy enough to allow my wife to sit in front of a child seat
- quick in a straight line and not a complete dog in the summer
- good looking + sounding
Being able to trigger automotive enthusiast fundamentalists like yourself is just icing on the cake. :evildude:
It's an iterative process. Z hit points 1, 6 & 7. Civic hits 1, 2, 3, 5ish and half of 7 IMO. Base Camry hits 1-6 easily; mods will complete 7 and give me a project which I enjoy. Plus I'm already planning on dumping this in 2 yrs.... it's just what I do, I don't think I'd be in a Raza approved car any longer :huh:
+100.
Honestly man, just buy the car you WANT the Camry to be, instead of trying to compromise it to be something it's not.
Yeah, and if he doesn't need 4 wheel enjoyment since he has a motorcycle, why does he need the straight line speed? The motorcycle will still dust anything he can buy for $20k (unless he buys another motorcycle :lol: ).
Suspension can be fixed, and steering ratios are fine (2.7 turns in the Civic vs 3.2 in the Camry).
Stop projecting your wants onto me. You enjoy hitting the twisties... OK. I don't drive unless I have somewhere to go. The idea of burning gas and spending time driving to nowhere is asinine to me. My modding makes about as much sense as your bike purchases... it's just what I like to do, it's not supposed to make financial sense. I like projects and tweaking shit. And if you ever find yourself in NC you are more than welcome to test my rig out.
You are you and I am me. I'm not asking you to replace your cars with a Camry, or do anything for that matter. Take a deep breath and chill out. It's going to be otay :lol:
I'm not projecting my wants onto you. I'm just confused about why you want to mod the Camry in the first place. I brought up twisties because you said you take back roads to work, and the Camry would probably be a dog in that situation.
Also, legit question - how come you miss the straight line speed of the bike when you're in the Civic, but you won't miss other aspects (like actually being able to turn :lol: ) if you get a Camry?
Either way, you do you man. I'll just sit back and wait for the Camry build thread. :lol:
I actually test drove a stock Camry SE V6 on one of the twisty legs of my commute. It wasn't the Civic or the Z but it wasn't bad either. I don't need both of my rides to corner carving thrillers.... I think more operating range would be good.
Why mod the Camry.... same reason I modded the 3 Accords, 2 Maximas and Civic I had/have. It's just what I do :huh: I like the way a car looks and handles when its lowered, which is why I have lowered all but 2 of the cars I've owned, with the first being because I didn't know how to or that it was an option, and the Z being low enough stock. I see the Camry on coils being no more ridiculous than the Maxima I had on coils, which was awesome, even on choppy ass NYC streets. Actually, that Maxima is probably closest to what I want, but it's too old/slow now, and comparable options to the Camry are too expensive.
Build is gonna be fun and completely ridiculous which is exactly why I want to do it. I think it's gonna come out kind of awesome as well.
If you want a fast, larger-ish car that's quick and reliable, there's always the Infiniti G. That's what it's there for.
- 90% of my driving is alone w/no cargo (aka commuting)
- my wife will be getting an SUV and has a hatchback now
- even before my wife gets an SUV, we can and do borrow her mom's minivan
- Civic does fine in bad weather (I have driven it through 3 of our "snow storms")
I'll wait :popcorn:
A Camry on coilovers is hardly the end of the world. Everyone doesn't have to drive a bone stock stickshift German car. If you want an SUV you go buy one.
Turnabout is fair play.
Loads. And you have a history of modifying cars to the point that they're undrivable and then selling them because you no longer like driving them.
Didn't realize that your wife will get an SUV herself. But you'd hardly be the first family to own two SUVs. Besides, if you are riding most of the time anyway and you don't enjoy driving anyway, what's the point of getting a pudding sedan and modifying it when you can get a CRV or something that's more practical for a small penalty in gas mileage and maybe none in drivability, and make it easier for when you have a kid.
1st Maxima: blown tire, totaled
1st Accord: modded, fun, sold to move to BK
2nd Accord: too extreme, high miles (never should have bought in first place)
3rd Accord: high miles (never should have bought in first place)
2nd Maxima: modded, fun, great commuter, sold for medical expenses
Z: kept bone stock, fun until I had to commute with it
Civic: done, bored
Riding ~5000 miles a year out of the 20000 miles a year I drive <> "most". Wifey and grandma's cars will be the main rides for the kid... I just need something roomy enough for a child seat behind my 5' 11" wife that is still somewhat fun to drive. A CRV is absolutely zero fun to drive. Midsize Camry/Accord is 100% the best compromise.... I know it hurts to hear. The best I could do for you is maybe a Passat 3.6, but that's rife with problems itself.... pretty much the worst of various overlapping options
What are you, some kind of smart ass? You think an Infiniti G actually makes more sense than a Camry for someone that enjoyed a 350Z but gave it up because it wasn't practical enough?
(https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/33/Futurama_Fry_Looking_Squint.jpg)
Not to mention resale value (though suspension mods are relatively easy to undo, if that's all he's gonna do).
Still, without having driven any of them, it seems like an Accord or Mazda 6 would fit all the criteria and be better to drive stock.
:lol:
lol no shit. I got it from a page called "Spurious Correlations." :lol:
I have nothing against Japanese cars, I was partial to Nissan for a while personally (Now they just make trash). But you've done this a bunch. With the 350Z, with the Civic, and now with the Camry. It's a great car if you want a quiet reliable appliance, and it will never be anything more than that. The transmission will always shift slow, it will always be front heavy and it will always lack feedback and engagement - just know that going in to this.
I don't think a E92 coupe is right for everyone, but it was right for me. They only regret I have was not getting a 335i...maybe...possibly. But hey, it's your money.
Sheer terror? Have you been reading my posts or just making stuff up? I'm only looking out for you, mate.
:hesaid:
Camry is just an anti-enthusiast step to the side and down. It makes less than zero sense.
I think he really wants a G35/7, but he's too much of a self-described iconoclast to jump on the G train.
You're having twins?
So you're looking at four years at the absolute minimum. More likely six+ depending on how seriously you guys take the car seat guidelines.
Ejection works for fighter pilots.
I think you should just VIP a first/second gen LS400 and keep that forever.
Just trying to give you a timeline idea.
But 1UZ-FE V8!
Can you just do it because it's something I've always wanted to do and I can live vicariously through you? :lol:
Commuter + fun ride is the formula and IMO the more extreme the two go to their purposes the better. Im hoping to get a new bike next year too but long term, if I could get an Exocet, I don't think I'd ever get a "fun commuter" ever again. I'd legit consider a used LS or something like that.
Dude I have enough money pits. I'd be looking at a manual transmission swap for one of those.
Holy fuck... My step-son grew up riding in a Neon and then a Focus... You planning on wrapping the kid in a 48" thick cacoon made of bubble wrap?
Dude, child seats easily fit in even compact cars with adults in the front... Quit the shit that your some unicorn in life where a child seat doesn't fit in an average mid sized 4 door despite it working for the other 7 billion people on the planet
Why is that negligence?
I hauled around my first born in the back of an EP3 Civic for three years.
Rear facing they're tight in everything, regardless of size.
Apparently there's some matter/time displacement machine.
If I was sitting behind myself, I'd freak the fuck out.
It's not so bad once you understand how it works.
rekt
...All the children in the continents of Europe and Asia with their love of smaller cars must be screwed then...
"Tight" doesn't mean undoable. And keep reading: I did it in a hatchback Civic, with few complaints.
It just takes some adjusting. Funny thing about children in that...
Wifey is 5' 11", so there's that.
Camry has a ton more rear leg room and a good bit more total legroom (https://www.cars.com/research/compare/?acodes=USC20INC151A0,USC20TOC021A0,USC00TOC021E0) as well.
Finally, somehow Cars.com did the same assessment with a 2013 Camry (same generation) and found infant seat fitment to be fine, not requiring any front seat adjustments (https://www.cars.com/articles/2013/05/2013-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/) :huh:
I've been in both cars, the Camry's back seat is way roomier.
So ... you think it makes sense that a 5'11" passenger will be comfortable when there is a 50% chance that a 5'8" passenger has to scoot up for an infant seat. :nutty:
What you need is a Sienna. Might as well go all out.
Other than the redundant upper horizontal axis and the vertical axes not starting from 0 , not sure what else is so wrong with the chart?
...Well there is an interesting concept...
Handling is part of it, but not really the priority. If I just wanted better handling, I'd get a 4 banger Accord, and a rear sway bar with some aggressive stock sized tires. Honda's stock suspension calibration is damn near perfect IMO. Main priority is really looks. I just like the way cars look with ~1 finger gap. This is a big part of why I left the Z alone. It had a perfect stance out of the box, along with pretty good handling. Hell, it scraped on the speed bumps in my apt complex.
I suppose I could get something sportier like a G8, but why? Camry V6 will give me the low hassle/cost ownership experience I'm looking for, and with coilovers/wheels will give me the look I want as well. I had a sports car and grew to hate it once I had to commute in it every day... I don't want that. I don't think it's very complicated :huh:
Yeah, but it's no Camry on coilovers. Get your head straight, man.
I'm not saying get a sports car; there are plenty of nice-handling cars in the class you want that don't punish you in terms of ride quality.
The issue with the Camry is it'll be one of the poorer options to do what you want to do to it, to it. You're going to be stuck with the isolation, numbness, bad weight transfer, tendency to want to roll, etc., etc., etc... only without the suspension compliance and supple ride.
You'll get all of the downsides of driving a Camry with none of the positives other than the engine, which is a bit of a mixed bag itself. It'll be reliable, sure, but not exceptionally powerful or efficient.
The way I'm feeling right now, if not for the abysmal premium gas mileage, I think I'd want to try something like a Lexus LS. I would lower that too, as people do, (https://www.google.com/search?q=lowered+ls460&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKkbXPlMfRAhWKhlQKHeILAlwQ_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=754#imgrc=HTF_xOYHZInheM%3A) mainly for the look. It's no different than something like an AMG Mercedes or whatever... people want good performance and decent response without ditching comfort and luxury.
Camry is slightly more isolated, but it's no Lexus. Hell, it's not even an Avalon. You want an Avalon, brah. Lightly used from some recently passed elderly lady.
How much are they charging for premium near you? It's usually a 20 cent/gal difference at most. And which LS is slower than which Camry?
Is it?
Is it?
Look, if you want it, you want it. Get it. Just don't pretend it's something that it's not.
You'll seem ridiculous.
Have you looked at a Prius V yet?
(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2012-Toyota-Prus-v-placement-626x382.jpg)
Perfect for Sporty!
/thread.
Word - it's all about the drama. The Camry V6 is very good for what it is, and is more "enthusiast" than many cars, including some of those owned by 'SPINners, but there is no argument that the correct car in this situation is a G37 sedan. This Funny Business about mpg and baby seats is a dog that just don't hunt.
One thing being an aspiring Camry owner does not give one leave to do is to make fun actual cool cars.
If you're gonna slam a van, it's gotta be one of those Dodges that people race in Japan
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lCFyJIDGztA
Yup, being different for the sake of being different.
The ironic thing is that, around here, being different means getting the most mainstream car possible. I don't even know how to describe it. Un-hipster? Anti-hipster? Meta-hipster?
Not wanting the Z because you think people will think you're a douche is just as bad as wanting the Z because you think people will think you're a super cool bro. Wanting a Camry is worse than either of those.
That much is true.
Car selection is very much ego and self image driven.
As long as a car isn't ugly it's not a big factor for me on how it looks. I drive a hair dresser's car. :huh:
Motorcycles, on the other hand, is like 110% ego driven for me. Part of the reason I got a liter bike is to say I ride one, and part of me is still kicking myself for not going all out with an R1, even though I know I'd hate riding it. :lol:
That's a stretch.
I can't argue with that.
Carpets were ripped already so I pulled them. Stereo/AC never was used so I pulled that out too.
Where did I "brag" about doing all this? In fact I think I probably said the opposite - that the car is effectively ruined as a street car and is worthless to sell. :huh:
The look doesn't have to be part of it though; and ignoring the look is part of it too. I may suddenly start sounding eggheady here, so bear with me. Ego, in its real meaning is about the outward projection of yourself. Driving a no-nonsense sports car is a perfect example of this. Ego need not be about what others think, but about what you think of yourself.
Even people who say they don't care about their cars image do care just by saying so and choosing a car that displays said lack of care.
I care. To me, this looks good. This is the image I want to give off.
(https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/1212-4-2009-camry-toyota-dropped-1-3-str-601-silver-nearly-flush.jpg)
No normal person is going to see this and say "wow look at that douchebag". And people in the know will probably chuckle and shake their heads. But to me this strikes the balance of looking good without shouting about it.
Yeah, we bag on you all the time for making your car ricey and undrivable on the street.
I get a lot of positive comments in the Z4, from people of all ages, races, and genders (well, not all, just the two). But then again, I did have those vandalism problems (which I believe was more territorial than having to do with the car).
I couldn't do yellow, though. Too shouty and loud for my personality.
I built the car as a tool for the track. A/C, carpets, stereo, etc are not needed on track. It spiraled out of control as a street car but once I stopped daily driving it and started riding my bike to work everyday I went crazy with it. It didn't have a header or stripped interior and still had A/C and a stereo till I bought my motorcycle and stopped driving the car.
Sometimes I just get sad that it sucks so much on the street, but it's not like I'm daily-ing a race car just to say that I am.
So either way it's a lose-lose situation? By not caring you still care? :wtf:
I don't really care what my car looks like or projects to others. I like my car for the way it drives and handles. I do like a nice clean car, or a lowered car on nice wheels like what you've pictured, but I don't really care what the Miata looks like, hence why it's still dented up and dirty on dirty yellow wheels.
The motorcycle, on the other hand, I want everyone to see while I ride by. I don't know why, probably because you can buy a stupid fast liter bike that most people can't ride without killing themselves for a couple grand. Or the fact that you know you're the fastest person on the road riding a bike like that. Having all that power really feeds the ego.
Exactly! Glad someone gets it.
Oh yeah, I've heard that before.
He could maybe make fun of a Versa. Not much else, though.
You built a tool for the track because you wanted a tool for the track.
That's ego. I get the feeling you think this is a bad thing. It's not. That's why I tried to explain what I meant
Japanese cars are inherently douchey because of the ricer baggage they carry.
:dance:
Well, a Z4 would look terrible in yellow anyway.
I would totally rock a yellow Elise though, for example. 'Vettes look good in yellow too, though I'd probably go for a blue one.
And when I was considering consolidating vehicles into a Wrangler, I wanted the neon green.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp324/1989Mustang1989/NewGreen.jpg)
That said, a few years ago, I was a little self conscious about driving the S2000 just because I looked younger then and I imagined people viewing me as some spoiled kid. Now that both myself and the car are a little older, I don't think I look out of place driving it anymore.
Even now, I sometimes avoid mentioning the S2000 to people in Boulder because a lot of people my age struggle to make ends meet and I don't want to come off as if I'm bragging. But that wouldn't keep me from driving it somewhere to avoid being seen in it, and I certainly don't outright lie about it. If it's relevant to a conversation, I usually just call it "my little sports car," and if people care for more details, they'll ask.
Actually, douchebag is exactly what I think when I see that :lol:
I don't like that at all.
Agreed. Either that or Mexican
Almost. Needs chrome portholes on the fender to be Mexican.
If you really don't want lights, wouldn't it be easier to just leave them turned off, or perhaps remove the bulbs to avoid any temptation?
I gotchu bro
(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12644705_10208620982223054_6697879190134855655_n.jpg?oh=2cdf921de97e6df35710407c2391554c&oe=591D66B0)
Knocked a cone over cuz it's so ugly, too.
I never felt like a dbag, but I will say one thing I like about my new car is that it is a lot quieter looking than the S4. Non-car people see it as an economy car. I used to get people talking to me about my Audi all the time (Oh, is it a V8??? How much power does it have????) even though there was nothing particularly special about it (other than the way it looked and it was a German sedan).
They do have a "hand-me-down gone wrong" vibe to it. Like when my neighbor gave his step-son his old A4 1.8T convertible and he put cheap Sears Tire Center chrome wheels on it and tinted the windows.
I think that image says "I got stuck with a Camry and am trying to make the best of it"
Better, but all of those rims are too big and most of the body kits look dumb.
Agree the wheels are too big, but I was just trying to make a point that lowering a Camry doesn't have to look douchey. Although I think it helps that all except the wheels on the first white one are completely OEM Toyota parts.
I imagine those people are all big fans of Stevie Wonder and/or Ray Charles and have always wanted to know what it's like to not be able to see shit.
"$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD"
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5966204915.html
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5959654326.html
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5964387498.html
By 20 year old German car standards, those are quite reliable. Not like we're recommending 20 year old Jags.
Why does 12,000 RPM hate the environment?
Party lines. One must choose an issue on which to disagree with the party, so one can appear independent.
Super nice, and invisible kids can fit in the back.
I think the interior is bagged on relentlessly, but it's really not that awful:
(http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2007-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-interior.jpg)
The X is better, though:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/8441836+w750/112_0803_36z+2008_mitsubishi_EVO_X+interior.jpg)
Wait, wait. This is reopening my desire for an Evo.
With my husband working at Google, we carpool for most of our miles, and so I don't need a more utilitarian car (big trunk, four seats, etc.) I do still need a second car for when our schedules diverge. So, why not have a toy? It's the saner, less death-wishy version of me getting a motorcycle.
Sounds like you need an El Camino then. No overdrive so you won't speed on the highway as much. And you won't drive like a madman around town as much because you'll run out of gas before you get to work. :lol:
Automatic V6 Camry will not help you kick bad habits. You will be doing 100 everywhere without realizing. You need a 1996 Ford Escort with an automatic ... and coilovers.
You seriously think any of this is ever going to make any sense?
"I need a boring car so I don't get speeding tickets"
"It needs to run the quarter mile in the 14s"
Or CANDY BARS
Till you slam it on coils. 200mph Land Cruiser FTW
4Runner is always the right choice, but there's no way sporty could ever bring himself to copy me :lol:
That depends. I drove Rodeo like a race truck.
Well, at least heavy body on frame SUVs. I haven't driven the current gen, but the last gen wasn't exactly a sports truck.
The Explorer is a little scary sometimes on the curvy mountain roads lol. Gotta watch your speed going into corners, especially coming back down of the mountain.
1. Is it louder than your Civic? I haven't driven an Evo X, but I've read it's much more civilized than the VIII and IX.
2. The interior isn't that bad; certainly not appreciably worse than the Civic's (the Civic's is better, but it's not like it's a Rolls Royce compared to the Evo).
3. Yes, it's a four cylinder, but it sounds pretty good unless you go messing around with obnoxious aftermarket exhausts (which is true for like 95% of cars).
4. Okay, you've got gas mileage. 17/22 is bad.
5. AWD isn't some snow-only thing. It's got advantages in the rain and even in the dry as well. AWD =/= floaty CUV with snow tires.
6. You don't have to make your Evo ~700whp. That has nothing to do with a stock Evo, which is fun and practical from factory. One of my friends modified his Miata to the point that he doesn't enjoy driving it on the road anymore, that has no bearing on what stock Miatas are like. I don't see your point. :huh:
7. Yeah, the G is probably the best car for you, unfortunately.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't forget lowering it so that it rides like shit.
No worse than a lifted truck :rolleyes:
...my truck isn't lifted.:rolleyes:
Fine no worse than a truck period if you're not an idiot who turns the damping up all the way
Right.
Eh, straight.
Just rolls right off the tongue. Seems like kismet.
What the fuck?
https://twitter.com/tonyzaret?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Can't figure this guy out
I found the image on the "Gatekeeping" subreddit, which is basically just people making fun of other people for saying "Only REAL [insert noun] do [insert verb clause]."
It just so happened that the two cars pictured were relevant to this thread. :lol:
It's bad satire. He probably is a writer for SNL.
ZING
This is true. Baldwin's Trump is so over the top foaming at the mouth it isn't even close to funny. But if he toned it down, he'd be doing it straight.
Are they doing a remote feed from Canada then?
And if SNL is "a moldy loaf of shit bread", when was it fresh? Only legit time I could say is maybe during the Will Ferrell era, whose take on GWB was equally over the top and ridiculous. Beyond that SNL has been pretty much continually awful right to the beginning.
Will Ferrel, Dennis Miller, Jim Belushi.
It was an analogy stemming from your use of the word stale. chill bro :wtf:
True. Even in the best years there was a fair bit of mediocrity. I felt that In Living Color was consistently funnier than SNL, and in the early 90s SNL had one of its stronger/funnier casts, but one has been on air for over 40 years and the other fizzled after 5.
That said, Aldis carries whole frozen duck during the holidays.
Please, allow me: :wtf:
The V6 in those is pretty nice and you can get a decent deal on them. IIRC, it's also larger than a CRV.
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Camry V6 was sold before I got there :facepalm: I did get to drive the E60 535i though. It was fully loaded, sport package, navigation, the works.
Pros:
- BMW seem to make its steering racks out of granite. Felt really solid.
- Handling and ride were really good. Felt as nimble as the modded Civic for sure, felt comfortable right away.
- Engine pulled strong... stronger than the E90 335i I sampled a while back for sure.
- Interior was really nice.... very nice place to be, definitely a step up from the 3er
- Roomy
- Auto trans doesn't sap the fun it seems
Cons:
- Stupid shifter (auto)
- 1st gen IDrive is abysmal. Possibly a deal breaker. Amazing to see how far infotainment has come
- Felt like it needed some new bushings. Shocks felt tight, but it was a little jiggly over bumps. I know BMWs chew through those like Flinstones vitamins.
- No fucking BT audio!
- Engine pulled strong but I didn't get much sense of the sound. I could probably live with a 4 banger if it pulls as hard which I imagine it would with the 8AT.
All in all pretty impressive, but still too flawed to seriously consider. Gonna try the F30 328i next, back to back with a G37S (there's a BMW dealer not far from an Infiniti dealer near me). Gotta try a new GTI too
Where I live, I can get duck everyday. You chose to move to the middle of nowhere. :devil:
The ducks are fresher in the country
Only if you shoot them yourself.
I bet there is an engine sound volume adjustment hidden somewhere in those iDrive menus.
Then, you have to worry about chipping a tooth.
But they're still better than farm ducks.
Question: What would you pick?
Option 1: 2012+ Civic Si
votes: 0
Option 2: Focus ST
votes: 5
Option 3: E90 335i
votes: 5
Option 4: G35/G37 6MT sedan
votes: 5
Option 5: Fuck it 
Built R18 + turbo kit + drive Demon Civic into a pile of ashes
votes: 1
Built R18 + turbo kit + drive Demon Civic into a pile of ashes
votes: 1
Title: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 02:20:39 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 02:20:39 PM
You know the scenario. I'm thinking next year will be it. What would you do?
Main priority is reliability... a factory warranty would be a huge plus.
Main priority is reliability... a factory warranty would be a huge plus.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rupert on September 04, 2016, 02:43:45 PM
Post by: Rupert on September 04, 2016, 02:43:45 PM
Who's CS?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
https://www.carspin.net/
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on September 04, 2016, 03:36:36 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 04, 2016, 03:36:36 PM
A built R18 is a waste of time.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on September 04, 2016, 03:50:09 PM
Post by: Rich on September 04, 2016, 03:50:09 PM
Mazda 3 2.5 w/ coil overs
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:26:01 PM
Post by: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:26:01 PM
C5 Z06
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Vinsanity on September 04, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 04, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
was almost gonna vote Focus ST but I know you (as well as I) like your 6's.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Vinsanity on September 04, 2016, 04:51:56 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 04, 2016, 04:51:56 PM
...OR, this (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=435248259) might be $20k next year, if DC isn't too far of a drive for you :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on September 04, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 04, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
E9x will be off warranty and I don't trust a turbo BMW to run hassle-free.
The new Si, IMO, has more power than FWD can really effectively put down without ruining other aspects of the car.
Infiniti G, followed by the FoST.
The new Si, IMO, has more power than FWD can really effectively put down without ruining other aspects of the car.
Infiniti G, followed by the FoST.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:59:14 PM
Post by: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 04, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
E9x will be off warranty and I don't trust a turbo BMW to run hassle-free.
The new Si, IMO, has more power than FWD can really effectively put down without ruining other aspects of the car.
So you put the Focus St infront of it, which has more power? At least the Si has a LSD
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
:whatshesaid:
Is something like a G or IS350 a lot worse with automatic? I know the IS is automatic only but I'm feeling like I can push the gulf between the car and bike even further than it is now if the car can get out of its own way and sounds good. I drove a lot of manual/auto FM cars and a few auto 335is.... was not crazy about the auto 335i, but high key the stick in the Gs is not good; I'm feeling like the 7AT could be the better choice.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 04, 2016, 03:36:36 PMThe engine can take it.... problem comes with cooling, A/C, brakes etc......
A built R18 is a waste of time.
Is something like a G or IS350 a lot worse with automatic? I know the IS is automatic only but I'm feeling like I can push the gulf between the car and bike even further than it is now if the car can get out of its own way and sounds good. I drove a lot of manual/auto FM cars and a few auto 335is.... was not crazy about the auto 335i, but high key the stick in the Gs is not good; I'm feeling like the 7AT could be the better choice.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:59:14 PMYea I didn't get that either; CSi is the only sport compact I can afford that has a God honest mechanical LSD and it's not much slower if at all than the FoST. Only thing I don't like about it is road noise and the fact that they managed to make it even uglier inside than my car. It would have to be an incredible drive to make up for that dash
So you put the Focus St infront of it, which has more power? At least the Si has a LSD
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Post by: CaminoRacer on September 04, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 04, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
Focus ST seems like the obvious choice.
I think I'm getting old - I'd rather leave a car stock than mod one. Unless you spend the time/money for a full build.
I think I'm getting old - I'd rather leave a car stock than mod one. Unless you spend the time/money for a full build.
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Post by: FoMoJo on September 04, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
Post by: FoMoJo on September 04, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
You know you want the ST so just go out and get it. Not quite a hooligan, but close enough. :ohyeah:
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Post by: MX793 on September 04, 2016, 05:58:23 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 04, 2016, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:59:14 PM
So you put the Focus St infront of it, which has more power? At least the Si has a LSD
I misread which Si. Thought it was the upcoming turbo one, not the later NA ones. Yeah, the NA one is more manageable. That said, Honda screwed up when the switched to the 2.4. the gearing doesn't complement the motor.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 06:05:09 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 06:05:09 PM
Yea I would rather pony up to the GTI or go with the 9th gen. New Civic is truly ghastly. Wacky gearing can be fixed somewhat easily. Focus ST looks good on paper... but the E-diff is complete bullshit.
The IS350 though :hmm: 13 second quarter mile out of the box
The IS350 though :hmm: 13 second quarter mile out of the box
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Post by: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 06:13:58 PM
Post by: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 06:13:58 PM
340i rwd?
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 06:13:58 PMWith the Track package.... I'm def mulling over it, not a bad reason to liquidate the 401K.
340i rwd?
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Post by: Xer0 on September 04, 2016, 06:39:35 PM
Post by: Xer0 on September 04, 2016, 06:39:35 PM
I may be biased here, but the '13 Si is the one to get. The 12's are ugly and the interior is absolute horseshit, while the 14's and up have Honda's annoying touchscreen and ricer supreme rims. The K24 is a good motor, and you can get 230hp out of those things with just a downpipe, tune, and CAI. Some simple suspension work, people swear by Koni yellows and the 22/24 mm rear sway bars, and you have a quick DD that's also decent for AutoX. Only downside is that that car is still expensive, like 17-20k expensive which I don't get at all. Its a weird tweener in the performance compact sphere that doesn't excel at anything, so not sure why it maintains its value that well.
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Post by: Rich on September 04, 2016, 06:39:38 PM
Post by: Rich on September 04, 2016, 06:39:38 PM
Winning
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
With the Track package.... I'm def mulling over it, not a bad reason to liquidate the 401K.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on September 04, 2016, 06:40:43 PM
Post by: Rich on September 04, 2016, 06:40:43 PM
Down pipe on an na engine
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Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 04, 2016, 07:06:55 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 04, 2016, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on September 04, 2016, 04:26:01 PM350Z was too raw for him! This will kill him dead! :lol:
C5 Z06
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 07:32:40 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 07:32:40 PM
My hate for the Z started when I had to commute in it. The road noise :banghead: Any sedan would be better
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 01:14:04 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 01:14:04 AM
G sedan for sure.
Although I think K20Z1 in Civic would be awesome. :devil:
Although I think K20Z1 in Civic would be awesome. :devil:
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Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 02:03:37 AM
Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 02:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 01:14:04 AM
G sedan for sure.
Although I think K20Z1 in Civic would be awesome. :devil:
Ok Honda boi
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 05:17:06 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 05:17:06 AM
K20 would be awesome in something a lot lighter than 2900 lbs. It's out of its depth in this chassis. K24 could work. Cheaper, more torque, easier to find.... I'll look into it
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 05, 2016, 09:52:17 AM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 05, 2016, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 07:32:40 PM:Chuck D Voice: Turn up the radio!!!!!!! :rockon:
My hate for the Z started when I had to commute in it. The road noise :banghead: Any sedan would be better
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 05, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 05, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
You like to tune. A 335i can't be beat. It's also so common that repairs when needed are fast and not that expensive.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 04:29:25 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 04:29:25 PM
I don't want to deal with repairs at all if I don't have to. I was kind of half joking about the IS350 but the more I look into it :hmm: Regardless of anything I still have the bike, but it's still an IS, not an ES. It will run solid past 200K too so getting one with miles is no biggie. Something more raw and stickshift would be nice but I'm definitely throwing it in the mix
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 04:33:36 PM
Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 04:33:36 PM
The IS is so dull but I guess the upgraded ML stereo is nice and seats are comfortable :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: ifcar on September 05, 2016, 05:00:22 PM
Post by: ifcar on September 05, 2016, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 04:29:25 PM
I don't want to deal with repairs at all if I don't have to. I was kind of half joking about the IS350 but the more I look into it :hmm: Regardless of anything I still have the bike, but it's still an IS, not an ES. It will run solid past 200K too so getting one with miles is no biggie. Something more raw and stickshift would be nice but I'm definitely throwing it in the mix
So you like the IS350 but want something more raw.....if only Lexus made such a thing......
There aren't that many and no listings are very close to you, but they're out there:
(http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/hn/d646d0c45a1746309c74f77ef2d6f5ae.jpg)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=27601&endYear=2017&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3FendYear%3D2017%26zip%3D27601%26maxPrice%3D24000%26modelCodeList%3DISF%26mmt%3D%255BLEXUS%255BISF%255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode1%3DISF%26sortBy%3DdistanceASC%26startYear%3D1981%26makeCode1%3DLEXUS%26showcaseOwnerId%3D0%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D0%26makeCodeList%3DLEXUS&modelCode1=ISF&showcaseOwnerId=0&makeCode1=LEXUS&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&numRecords=25&searchRadius=0&maxPrice=24000&listingId=434190917&makeCode1=LEXUS&modelCode1=ISF
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
23MPG highway is a bridge too far starr
Plus I kind of prefer the V6 sound to the V8. And the 350 is only like 1/2 a second slower.... def going to investigate, though its looks in and out haven't aged well at all
Plus I kind of prefer the V6 sound to the V8. And the 350 is only like 1/2 a second slower.... def going to investigate, though its looks in and out haven't aged well at all
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Post by: CALL_911 on September 05, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 05, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
I still think the last gen IS looks good
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 07:06:41 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 07:06:41 PM
It could be a lot better, but I could live with it.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
IS250 with a stick and some suspension mods?
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
Or take your own suggestion and CTS-V.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 08:17:58 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2016, 08:17:58 PM
CTS-V is very interesting. Buddy of mine has one. He says it's kind of like the Z in that mods are so $$$$$$$$$$ he doesn't want to do anything. I do want to throw some parts at this thing. I have to
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Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 05, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
IS250 with a stick and some suspension mods?
No faster than his Civic, MPG is just as bad as the 350, and the 2.5L has sludge/carbon issues.
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Post by: MX793 on September 06, 2016, 04:34:31 AM
Post by: MX793 on September 06, 2016, 04:34:31 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on September 05, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
No faster than his Civic, MPG is just as bad as the 350, and the 2.5L has sludge/carbon issues.
Weren't the sludge issues on Toyota V6s the result of owners who predominantly drove very short trips such that the engine didn't often get up to temp?
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Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2016, 04:41:48 AM
Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2016, 04:41:48 AM
Never know how the previous owner drove the car, and I doubt they'd remove the valve covers and such for a PPI.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 04:48:02 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 04:48:02 AM
Did the 3.5s have sludge issues?
As suspected the xGR exhaust sounds like Porsche when the bank streams are separated....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cck6nsum4KQ
As suspected the xGR exhaust sounds like Porsche when the bank streams are separated....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cck6nsum4KQ
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Post by: MX793 on September 06, 2016, 04:51:35 AM
Post by: MX793 on September 06, 2016, 04:51:35 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 04:48:02 AM
Did the 3.5s have sludge issues?
As suspected the xGR exhaust sounds like Porsche when the bank streams are separated....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cck6nsum4KQ
V6 Carries had it, and they used the 3.5.
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Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2016, 04:59:18 AM
Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2016, 04:59:18 AM
Where's the Porsche sound in that video?
Even the "dumbed down" or unthusiast F10 5 series felt way more engaging to drive than the Lexus. I think you'd get bored of it quickly. I think the chance of you getting bored or falling asleep at the wheel vs you actually enjoying the disconnected driving experience is about 80:20
Even the "dumbed down" or unthusiast F10 5 series felt way more engaging to drive than the Lexus. I think you'd get bored of it quickly. I think the chance of you getting bored or falling asleep at the wheel vs you actually enjoying the disconnected driving experience is about 80:20
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 05:54:01 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 05:54:01 AM
Damn that is pretty harsh. I am still going to try one. How bad could it be? RWD, 13 sec quarter, 3500lb curb weight??? I have to give it a shot just on principle.
I drove an auto 335i and came away really disappointed. Granted it was in the thick of the summer... but it did not feel like an underrated 300HP at all.
Ultimately the question comes down to speed vs engagement. I can't afford both outside of motorcycles. Civic is showing I may need speed more than engagement in a DD. I think the IS' chassis will be easy to sort out as well. Build would be quick n easy. Tein Street Advance + EDFC, intake, custom exhaust, new pads/rotors/fluid, 19s for da summa with winter wheels on the stockies....
Fuck if this doesn't look 103x better though....
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/images/0015/13/15/15843151_large.jpg)
I drove an auto 335i and came away really disappointed. Granted it was in the thick of the summer... but it did not feel like an underrated 300HP at all.
Ultimately the question comes down to speed vs engagement. I can't afford both outside of motorcycles. Civic is showing I may need speed more than engagement in a DD. I think the IS' chassis will be easy to sort out as well. Build would be quick n easy. Tein Street Advance + EDFC, intake, custom exhaust, new pads/rotors/fluid, 19s for da summa with winter wheels on the stockies....
Fuck if this doesn't look 103x better though....
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/images/0015/13/15/15843151_large.jpg)
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Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2016, 05:59:33 AM
Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2016, 05:59:33 AM
Well I've only driven the IS300 (250 here in USA) and the problems weren't with the lack of power. Maybe I would have noticed if the rest of the car was more confidence inspiring, but it definitely wasn't the first issue I had with the car :lol:
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Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
2013+ Lexus IS350
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 07:21:48 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 06, 2016, 06:57:12 AM
2013+ Lexus IS350
Too $$$$$$$$$$, no faster, same gas mileage. Can't lie though, that interior is worth every $ of that premium. But $35K is an F30 335i 6MT with warranty. No brainer
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Post by: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:37:35 AM
Post by: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:37:35 AM
GTI, WRX, or Evo X.
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Post by: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:39:04 AM
Post by: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:39:04 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 05, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
I still think the last gen IS looks good
I think it looks as good or better than just about anything in that class right now.
But no manual outside of the IS250.
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Post by: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Post by: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 05:54:01 AM
Fuck if this doesn't look 103x better though....
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/images/0015/13/15/15843151_large.jpg)
Gs look like fat pigs. Especially lowered ones, where it looks like the back is sagging because it ate all the pies at Thanksgiving dinner. Besides, do you just want a car that's just like your 350Z but is even more disappointing to drive?
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 08:10:07 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:37:35 AMGTI is a possibility. AWD cars though, hell no. I left the NE for a reason. WRX is not bad but not really great either. Evo X is the worst of both worlds- the upright stance, looks and refinement of an economy car with the costs, fuel economy and single mindedness of a sports car. Would be even more miserable than the Z for the daily grind.
GTI, WRX, or Evo X.
Quote from: Raza on September 06, 2016, 07:43:17 AMZ wasn't disappointing to drive. People don't read what I write. My gripes with the Z all stemmed from having to commute in it. No back seat was a PITA for practicality, and the road noise, particularly in the rain, was maddening. Cost of mods at the time was a bit much to swallow as well. Now I can get and align decent coilovers for the G for <$1000, and figure something out with the exhaust. Doesn't need anything beyond that. And while its road noise is still worse than its peers it's much better than the Z and the Civic. It's mainly gambling on 20MPG fuel mileage again that gives me pause
Gs look like fat pigs. Especially lowered ones, where it looks like the back is sagging because it ate all the pies at Thanksgiving dinner. Besides, do you just want a car that's just like your 350Z but is even more disappointing to drive?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 08:27:44 AM
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 08:27:44 AM
Just get an SUV and a miata. Problem solved.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
Bike is my Miata, wifey will have SUV, I need something in the middle with straight line authority
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Post by: SJ_GTI on September 06, 2016, 09:03:30 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on September 06, 2016, 09:03:30 AM
if you are thinking of Focus ST and Civic Si than I would definitely test drive a GTI (might be too expensive if you want to get it with the real LSD) and Mazda 3.
If you are seriously thinking about G37 or 335i, I would definitely suggest checking out a 328i. I know I didn't end up going with BMW myself but the 328xi I drove was pretty nice...just not as nice as the S3. If you prefer RWD a 328i might be a perfect fit. Sure it won't be as powerful as a 335i but it is lighter and the engine was plenty powerful IMHO (was fine even with AWD and an automatic).
If you are seriously thinking about G37 or 335i, I would definitely suggest checking out a 328i. I know I didn't end up going with BMW myself but the 328xi I drove was pretty nice...just not as nice as the S3. If you prefer RWD a 328i might be a perfect fit. Sure it won't be as powerful as a 335i but it is lighter and the engine was plenty powerful IMHO (was fine even with AWD and an automatic).
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Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:13:58 AM
Yeah, I actually like that idea more too. 328i with a stick. You can get a much newer and better equipped one than a 335i.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Maybe an E90. I'd only do turbo 4 in a hot hatch. I want the full BMW experience
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Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:28:38 AM
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Maybe an E90. I'd only do turbo 4 in a hot hatch. I want the full BMW experience
So you want it to not work most of the time? Definitely go 335i then :lol:
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Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
Post by: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
Get the Jalop special:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=45342&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&showcaseListingId=433932835&mmt=%5BBMW%5B%5D%5B3_SERIES%5B%5D%5D%5D&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&modelCode1=3_SERIES&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=343071&startYear=1981&makeCode1=BMW&firstRecord=0&maxMileage=60000&searchRadius=300&listingId=434030529&Log=0
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=45342&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&showcaseListingId=433932835&mmt=%5BBMW%5B%5D%5B3_SERIES%5B%5D%5D%5D&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&modelCode1=3_SERIES&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=343071&startYear=1981&makeCode1=BMW&firstRecord=0&maxMileage=60000&searchRadius=300&listingId=434030529&Log=0
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Post by: SJ_GTI on September 06, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on September 06, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Maybe an E90. I'd only do turbo 4 in a hot hatch. I want the full BMW experience
If you get an E90 328i you can hang out with Char and talk about how shitty VW's are. :lol:
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Post by: SJ_GTI on September 06, 2016, 11:17:32 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on September 06, 2016, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 06, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
Get the Jalop special:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=45342&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&showcaseListingId=433932835&mmt=%5BBMW%5B%5D%5B3_SERIES%5B%5D%5D%5D&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&modelCode1=3_SERIES&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=343071&startYear=1981&makeCode1=BMW&firstRecord=0&maxMileage=60000&searchRadius=300&listingId=434030529&Log=0
You know I've never driven one of those but I actually wonder how fun it might be.
I mean...200 lb-ft @ 1250 RPM seems like it would be kind of fun, no? I know it runs out of breathe higher up but since he is going to be tuning it with Char anyway that just means there is more room for mods. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
That is CPO 335i money..... no way in hell
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Post by: Madman on September 06, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
Post by: Madman on September 06, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 04, 2016, 03:36:36 PM
A built R18 is a waste of time.
No, a built R18 with a turbo would be AWESOME!!!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/1981_Renault_18_Turbo_(nakhon100).jpg)
:wub:
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Post by: CJ on September 06, 2016, 10:39:13 PM
Post by: CJ on September 06, 2016, 10:39:13 PM
Focus ST with an extended warranty.
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Post by: BimmerM3 on September 06, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 06, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 04, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
I think I'm getting old - I'd rather leave a car stock than mod one. Unless you spend the time/money for a full build.
That was the main reason I didn't look at Miatas when shopping for the S2000.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 06, 2016, 11:29:36 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 06, 2016, 11:29:36 PM
As far as the original question goes... duh... E39 M5.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 07, 2016, 05:55:24 AM
Post by: Raza on September 07, 2016, 05:55:24 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 08:10:07 AM
GTI is a possibility. AWD cars though, hell no. I left the NE for a reason. WRX is not bad but not really great either. Evo X is the worst of both worlds- the upright stance, looks and refinement of an economy car with the costs, fuel economy and single mindedness of a sports car. Would be even more miserable than the Z for the daily grind.
Z wasn't disappointing to drive. People don't read what I write. My gripes with the Z all stemmed from having to commute in it. No back seat was a PITA for practicality, and the road noise, particularly in the rain, was maddening. Cost of mods at the time was a bit much to swallow as well. Now I can get and align decent coilovers for the G for <$1000, and figure something out with the exhaust. Doesn't need anything beyond that. And while its road noise is still worse than its peers it's much better than the Z and the Civic. It's mainly gambling on 20MPG fuel mileage again that gives me pause
No, the Z was disappointing to drive. You just didn't notice. :devil:
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Post by: 68_427 on September 07, 2016, 06:00:50 AM
Post by: 68_427 on September 07, 2016, 06:00:50 AM
Yeah you could have at least bought something fast
(https://thenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/23208590003_large.jpg)
(https://thenthusiast.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/23208590003_large.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 06:26:24 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 06:26:24 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 07, 2016, 05:55:24 AMZ had its dynamic/interface issues, but what killed it for me was the day to day stuff.
No, the Z was disappointing to drive. You just didn't notice. :devil:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 07, 2016, 08:02:06 AM
Post by: MrH on September 07, 2016, 08:02:06 AM
I really like the looks of 350Zs. I test drove one for awhile before I got the miata. I had such high hopes and was so disappointed. It was like a child hood flash back. I was sitting inside a fisher price toy box I had as a kid. It was kind of fast, but visibility was terrible, dynamics were terrible, controls and feedback were terrible. What a sad day.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2016, 08:24:58 AM
The looks are the one big thing I miss about the Z. Mine was beautiful. But the Z also taught me that it doesn't matter how good a car looks if you don't like living with it or driving it. Don't have to own a car to enjoy its beauty.
It's a shame because I think a lot of the tactile issues just came down to tuning/design. My buddy's Challenger SRT8 had a lighter/better shifter+clutch combo
It's a shame because I think a lot of the tactile issues just came down to tuning/design. My buddy's Challenger SRT8 had a lighter/better shifter+clutch combo
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 07, 2016, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 07, 2016, 08:37:00 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2016, 08:02:06 AM
I really like the looks of 350Zs. I test drove one for awhile before I got the miata. I had such high hopes and was so disappointed. It was like a child hood flash back. I was sitting inside a fisher price toy box I had as a kid. It was kind of fast, but visibility was terrible, dynamics were terrible, controls and feedback were terrible. What a sad day.
I didn't even bother driving one, especially since I wanted a convertible.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:43:59 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:43:59 AM
Drove wife's car into work today.... might be lack of sleep from last night but I'm thinking my next car will be auto. Bike is my Miata. Just had the realization that through the commute I never thought "man I wish I had a manual" or slapped it into sport or manual mode. I'd say it's as fast as the Civic in a straight line without any of the drama. I'm gonna start looking when we get back from Europe
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Vinsanity on September 08, 2016, 08:29:21 AM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 08, 2016, 08:29:21 AM
honestly that just opens up WAY more options for you
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=429751406 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=429751406)
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http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=429751406 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=429751406)
http://cpo.bmwusa.com/certified/BMW/2012-BMW-328i+Sedan-01d3827e0a0e0a6b278b25045c4fd925.htm (http://cpo.bmwusa.com/certified/BMW/2012-BMW-328i+Sedan-01d3827e0a0e0a6b278b25045c4fd925.htm)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: FoMoJo on September 08, 2016, 08:37:34 AM
Post by: FoMoJo on September 08, 2016, 08:37:34 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:43:59 AMCommuter car for commuting and a real sports car for the weekend.
Drove wife's car into work today.... might be lack of sleep from last night but I'm thinking my next car will be auto. Bike is my Miata. Just had the realization that through the commute I never thought "man I wish I had a manual" or slapped it into sport or manual mode. I'd say it's as fast as the Civic in a straight line without any of the drama. I'm gonna start looking when we get back from Europe
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 08:41:48 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 08:41:48 AM
If I have to drive auto a 4 banger is not an option :nono:
Gotta be a 6 banger, as fast as the Z, get somewhere close to low 20 MPGs combined.
Gotta be a 6 banger, as fast as the Z, get somewhere close to low 20 MPGs combined.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 08, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
Post by: MrH on September 08, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
Hyundai Genesis R-Spec :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 09:55:00 AM
:wtf:
Probably in the budget too
I need those 6 cylinder harmonics though. And coilovers. Hmmmm
Probably in the budget too
I need those 6 cylinder harmonics though. And coilovers. Hmmmm
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 08, 2016, 10:10:50 AM
Post by: Raza on September 08, 2016, 10:10:50 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:43:59 AM
Drove wife's car into work today.... might be lack of sleep from last night but I'm thinking my next car will be auto. Bike is my Miata. Just had the realization that through the commute I never thought "man I wish I had a manual" or slapped it into sport or manual mode. I'd say it's as fast as the Civic in a straight line without any of the drama. I'm gonna start looking when we get back from Europe
If not liking cars anymore is what happens when you buy a motorcycle, I'm never buying one. Camry time for you, a Harley will be next.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 10:46:34 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 10:46:34 AM
You were never going to buy one in the first place. Though I am not surprised that you would rather miss out on something as awesome as motorcycling to not have to walk back your rigid views and opinions :lol:
Open your mind to new possibilities bro. Bikes > cars, by a wide margin. If they weren't nobody would accept the risk of riding. Like I said the bike is my Miata. Your Z4 is yours and you too are looking to get something even more unthusiast than me................................................ come on bro :partyon:
Open your mind to new possibilities bro. Bikes > cars, by a wide margin. If they weren't nobody would accept the risk of riding. Like I said the bike is my Miata. Your Z4 is yours and you too are looking to get something even more unthusiast than me................................................ come on bro :partyon:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 10:53:20 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 10:53:20 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 08, 2016, 10:10:50 AM
If not liking cars anymore is what happens when you buy a motorcycle, I'm never buying one. Camry time for you, a Harley will be next.
Trust me, I've never once gotten back into my Miata and been sad it was not an automatic. When I was injured I was itching just as badly to get back to driving a manual as I was to get back to riding.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 11:01:56 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 11:01:56 AM
Rags, you are different. Most people over 30 aren't daily driving stripped out track cars. Not a bad thing, but definitely not a normal thing either. I enjoy a good stickshift, but I enjoy brapping through the gears on the bike about 100x more.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 11:06:32 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 11:06:32 AM
I definitely enjoy the bike more when riding in traffic, but to me, hitting some perfect heel-toe downshifts or getting the car's exhaust to pop between upshifts is so gratifying. Shifting on a bike is fun for sure and I'd never get an automatic bike, but IMO it's not quite as rewarding nor takes as much skill as getting it right in a car.
Plus, I can do things like get the rear of the car loose, take turns at higher speed, etc that I can't do on the bike.
Plus, I can do things like get the rear of the car loose, take turns at higher speed, etc that I can't do on the bike.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on September 08, 2016, 11:15:18 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 08, 2016, 11:15:18 AM
If that's the case, get a V6 Camry and call it a day.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 11:06:32 AM
I definitely enjoy the bike more when riding in traffic, but to me, hitting some perfect heel-toe downshifts or getting the car's exhaust to pop between upshifts is so gratifying. Shifting on a bike is fun for sure and I'd never get an automatic bike, but IMO it's not quite as rewarding nor takes as much skill as getting it right in a car.
Plus, I can do things like get the rear of the car loose, take turns at higher speed, etc that I can't do on the bike.
Different strokes I guess. Riding a bike is like riding an animal or wearing a Gundam suit. Driving, even at 10/10ths, doesn't come close IMO. Plus for me anyway, *dons flame suit* sim racing is like 90% as fun as street driving. OK, the g-forces aren't there, but to my caveman brain it's close enough.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 08, 2016, 11:15:18 AMIf they made a V6 Corolla I would consider it. I'm still seriously chewing on the idea of one of these too....
If that's the case, get a V6 Camry and call it a day.
(http://www.200forums.com/forum/attachments/2015-2016-chrysler-200-uf-appearance-body/35378d1446906455-scale-suspension-20151107_090444.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
IMO driving 10/10ths on track in a track capable car is almost as fun as riding on track. Two vastly different experiences that aren't really comparable but I love both.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on September 08, 2016, 11:33:46 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 08, 2016, 11:33:46 AM
Those cars aren't very dynamically good, so I don't understand why you're looking at them and trying to say they're even remotely engaging.
I drove a V6 Camry for three hours this weekend, it was fine enough, and kinda fast, but the whole car is meant to be as un engaging as possible.
I drove a V6 Camry for three hours this weekend, it was fine enough, and kinda fast, but the whole car is meant to be as un engaging as possible.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2016, 11:53:37 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2016, 11:53:37 AM
Racing games are boring to me now. There's no feedback.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 08, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
Post by: MrH on September 08, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
Lol. You want a super engaging sports sedan, then consider a Chrysler 200 :wtf:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Quote from: MrH on September 08, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
Lol. You want a super engaging sports sedan, then consider a Chrysler 200 :wtf:
Yeah... he's all over the place. He said previously that the way a car looks doesn't matter, then wants to get a 200 only because it looks good. :facepalm:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on September 08, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on September 08, 2016, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: Rupert on September 04, 2016, 02:43:45 PM
Who's CS?
Me. Duh. My initials are C.S. :praise:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: MrH on September 08, 2016, 01:22:36 PMI readily admit I don't know exactly what I want.... if I did I wouldn't be soliciting opinions :huh: Besides, better to ask and get insight than make mistakes.... like you did with the Genesis + BRZ :evildude:
Lol. You want a super engaging sports sedan, then consider a Chrysler 200 :wtf:
All I know is I want something fast, somewhat luxurious, somewhat engaging and able to fit in my garage. My lil bro has an Altima V6... most of the midsizers have no appeal to me. Outside of the engine that car is complete garbage to drive. Maybe the 200 is, IDK. But it's different and worth a look IMO. I think the IS350/G37 are the top choices though.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 08, 2016, 05:17:43 PM
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 08, 2016, 05:17:43 PM
Do you need that much space? How about 135/235i?
REALLY you should stop fearing the N54. Everything can be easily fixed these days - super well known platfomr. And it won't get a rod knock at least.
REALLY you should stop fearing the N54. Everything can be easily fixed these days - super well known platfomr. And it won't get a rod knock at least.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on September 08, 2016, 05:18:25 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 08, 2016, 05:18:25 PM
Shame the new Fusion Sport is too new. Those things should haul ass. I think that magazines' estimates of ~5.3s to 60 is a bit conservative. That motor will haul a ~4800 lbs F-150 to 60 in 5.7s. I expect that a sub 4000 lbs car with the benefit of an AWD launch should do it in 5 flat, if not in the 4s.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:59:57 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:59:57 PM
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on September 08, 2016, 05:17:43 PMWhy go with something easy to fix when I can get something that doesn't need to be fixed at all? Nissan and Toyota's 3.5s are bulletproof and just as powerful stock. But I'm not ruling out the 335i. Def has the best aftermarket and is the same size as my Civic which is a big plus. It's just not at the top of the list.
Do you need that much space? How about 135/235i?
REALLY you should stop fearing the N54. Everything can be easily fixed these days - super well known platfomr. And it won't get a rod knock at least.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 06:01:11 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 06:01:11 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 08, 2016, 05:18:25 PMThat does sound interesting. Will have to give it a few years though
Shame the new Fusion Sport is too new. Those things should haul ass. I think that magazines' estimates of ~5.3s to 60 is a bit conservative. That motor will haul a ~4800 lbs F-150 to 60 in 5.7s. I expect that a sub 4000 lbs car with the benefit of an AWD launch should do it in 5 flat, if not in the 4s.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on September 08, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 08, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
Just get a V6 Accord?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on September 08, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 08, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
Or if u can locate a V6 TSX or 6MT SHAWD TL
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 06:28:03 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 06:28:03 PM
Go find an old Accord 6-6 sedan.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 06:45:58 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 06:45:58 PM
Interesting ideas of varying ugliness.... TL sounds interesting though.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2016, 10:53:36 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 08, 2016, 10:53:36 PM
2nd(?) Gen TL is still one of the best looking cars ever
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 05:50:25 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 05:50:25 AM
I think you mean the 3rd gen (04-08) which is true.... another one to consider though I imagine they will be hard to find with decent mileage
The one that followed though :hammerhead: 7th gen Accord sedan is ugly no matter what is done to it. That rear 3/4 view is just ghastly.
The one that followed though :hammerhead: 7th gen Accord sedan is ugly no matter what is done to it. That rear 3/4 view is just ghastly.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2016, 06:26:40 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2016, 06:26:40 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 05:50:25 AM
I think you mean the 3rd gen (04-08) which is true.... another one to consider though I imagine they will be hard to find with decent mileage
Yeah, that one.
Probably right about finding a low mileage one. Unless a grandma who never drove hers decides to sell.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 09, 2016, 07:31:39 AM
Post by: MrH on September 09, 2016, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
I readily admit I don't know exactly what I want.... if I did I wouldn't be soliciting opinions :huh: Besides, better to ask and get insight than make mistakes.... like you did with the Genesis + BRZ :evildude:
All I know is I want something fast, somewhat luxurious, somewhat engaging and able to fit in my garage. My lil bro has an Altima V6... most of the midsizers have no appeal to me. Outside of the engine that car is complete garbage to drive. Maybe the 200 is, IDK. But it's different and worth a look IMO. I think the IS350/G37 are the top choices though.
Hey, the BRZ was never a mistake. I don't regret buying that car for one second.
Now the Genesis...alright, I'll give you that one :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:47:18 AM
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:47:18 AM
Quattroporte.
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Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:48:05 AM
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:48:05 AM
V8 S4
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Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:49:49 AM
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:49:49 AM
550i
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Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
M3
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Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
All interesting choices, but terrible to own for many of the same reasons (laughable, pathetic, horrible reliability)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
All interesting choices, but terrible to own for many of the same reasons (laughable, pathetic, horrible reliability)
Civic then.
My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one. Or a Maserati Ghibli, which is neither. If you want reliable, buy Japanese. If you want a good car that may need to be fixed once in a while, don't.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on September 09, 2016, 09:58:38 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 09, 2016, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one.
Lol no
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 10:04:56 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 10:04:56 AM
Yea that's malarkey, complete BS.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 09, 2016, 10:21:59 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 09, 2016, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 09, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
Civic then.
My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one. Or a Maserati Ghibli, which is neither. If you want reliable, buy Japanese. If you want a good car that may need to be fixed once in a while, don't.
Lol I think this is the most snobbish post ever written on the SPIN.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Post by: Raza on September 09, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 09, 2016, 10:21:59 AM
Lol I think this is the most snobbish post ever written on the SPIN.
That's what I was going for. :lol:
Too subtle? Next time I'll throw in some iPhone v. Android. :dance:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on September 09, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 09, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
I know the CTS-V has already been offered up as a suggestion, but what about just a plain 3.6L gen 2 CTS? Comfortable, decent power, competent handling, great looks... Pretty compelling package and you can probably get a decent deal on them because I don't think they hold their value as well as their German, or Japanese, counterparts.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 09, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
Interesting choice................... will have to look more into it, though I'm not sure it will really holds up against the other choices.........
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Vinsanity on September 09, 2016, 08:35:23 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 09, 2016, 08:35:23 PM
the pre-2014 CTS is a great commuter if you don't mind the subpar fuel economy
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CJ on September 09, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Post by: CJ on September 09, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 09, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
I know the CTS-V has already been offered up as a suggestion, but what about just a plain 3.6L gen 2 CTS? Comfortable, decent power, competent handling, great looks... Pretty compelling package and you can probably get a decent deal on them because I don't think they hold their value as well as their German, or Japanese, counterparts.
They don't hold their value because they're shit cars. They're cheap for a reason.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2016, 10:16:43 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2016, 10:16:43 PM
What's wrong with them?
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Post by: CJ on September 09, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Post by: CJ on September 09, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 09, 2016, 10:16:43 PM
What's wrong with them?
Water leaks, timing chains, door lock actuators, differentials...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 05:50:49 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 05:50:49 AM
I had the feeling.
A new challenger enters....
(http://i39.tinypic.com/vht9xs.jpg)
Only downside.... no LSD. Well, and is a good bit slower than the others out of the box, and has that weird gearing. Mixed feelings, don't think I wanna do another "I think I can" 4 banger.... or stickshift.....
A new challenger enters....
(http://i39.tinypic.com/vht9xs.jpg)
Only downside.... no LSD. Well, and is a good bit slower than the others out of the box, and has that weird gearing. Mixed feelings, don't think I wanna do another "I think I can" 4 banger.... or stickshift.....
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on September 10, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
Post by: 68_427 on September 10, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
TSX V6 then.
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Post by: CALL_911 on September 10, 2016, 07:37:51 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 10, 2016, 07:37:51 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 05:50:49 AMWoof
I had the feeling.
A new challenger enters....
(http://i39.tinypic.com/vht9xs.jpg)
Only downside.... no LSD. Well, and is a good bit slower than the others out of the box, and has that weird gearing. Mixed feelings, don't think I wanna do another "I think I can" 4 banger.... or stickshift.....
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 07:48:14 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 07:48:14 AM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 07:57:18 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 07:57:18 AM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/2vafwok.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3735/11798177383_4954216f2a_b.jpg)
(http://carphotos2.cardomain.com/images/0015/28/70/15958207_large.jpg)
(http://www.200forums.com/forum/attachments/2015-2016-chrysler-200-uf-appearance-body/35378d1446906455-scale-suspension-20151107_090444.jpg)
More my style.... sorry guys I'm a ricer :huh:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3735/11798177383_4954216f2a_b.jpg)
(http://carphotos2.cardomain.com/images/0015/28/70/15958207_large.jpg)
(http://www.200forums.com/forum/attachments/2015-2016-chrysler-200-uf-appearance-body/35378d1446906455-scale-suspension-20151107_090444.jpg)
More my style.... sorry guys I'm a ricer :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on September 10, 2016, 08:22:41 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 10, 2016, 08:22:41 AM
G37 looks gr8
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 08:25:12 AM
None of those cars are riced at all.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Vinsanity on September 10, 2016, 08:30:20 AM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 10, 2016, 08:30:20 AM
yeah not sure how your car will ride after you throw a set of fully compressed coilovers on it. might be a tad bit harsh for your commute.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
They all look horrible lowered like that
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Vinsanity on September 10, 2016, 08:30:20 AMRoads around here are awesome. Z rode great. Coilovers will be no problem. I wish the coils on the Civic were stiffer
yeah not sure how your car will ride after you throw a set of fully compressed coilovers on it. might be a tad bit harsh for your commute.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 10:15:54 AMWell you think cars > bikes so I will put this in that context :lol:
They all look horrible lowered like that
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
Fuck that, all those cars look great. Even the 200, which is hard to say because I know that car is a turd otherwise.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
13s with bolt ons bro
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
Well you think cars > bikes so I will put this in that context :lol:
Nah, I think built protouring cars = bikes.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
13s with bolt ons bro
A turd with bolt ons is still a turd.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:06:49 PM
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 05:50:49 AM
I had the feeling.
A new challenger enters....
(http://i39.tinypic.com/vht9xs.jpg)
Only downside.... no LSD. Well, and is a good bit slower than the others out of the box, and has that weird gearing. Mixed feelings, don't think I wanna do another "I think I can" 4 banger.... or stickshift.....
What is that?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:09:14 PM
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
They all look horrible lowered like that
The BMW almost pulls it off, but lowering them that much really points out how awkward and fat looking the rear wheel area looks on the other cars. And it makes them look like the front is higher than the rear because of how weird the wheel wells look.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:10:36 PM
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
Fuck that, all those cars look great. Even the 200, which is hard to say because I know that car is a turd otherwise.
They look like they're carrying dead bodies in the trunk over a broken rear suspension.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on September 10, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
Post by: 68_427 on September 10, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:06:49 PM
What is that?
Acura ILX..
Acura Civic with Si engine
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
Post by: Raza on September 10, 2016, 05:31:28 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on September 10, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
Acura ILX..
Acura Civic with Si engine
Gross. Why not just a Civic Si?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 05:32:40 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 05:32:40 PM
Stock is boring
ILX has nicer interior, isn't rice rice baby teenage dream with VTEC indicator
ILX has nicer interior, isn't rice rice baby teenage dream with VTEC indicator
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on September 10, 2016, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 10, 2016, 06:15:33 PM
Lowered such that the tires/wheels are concentric with the wheel arches in the fender - good
Lowered such that the fender conceals some of the tire - bad. Looks especially bad when the front tire is partially concealed by the fender.
Lowered such that the fender conceals some of the tire - bad. Looks especially bad when the front tire is partially concealed by the fender.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 06:32:53 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 10, 2016, 06:32:53 PM
Yes
Concentricity is the goal
See: my car
Concentricity is the goal
See: my car
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 08:24:49 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 10, 2016, 08:24:49 PM
Your car is still kind of high for my tastes.
For a DD that I'm not trying to stuff a giant amount of rubber under, I would definitely lower it down further. My car isn't super low and still has fender gap to clear the giant wheels and tires and to not handle like crap, but on a non-track driven DD I'd totally lower it as much as possible.
For a DD that I'm not trying to stuff a giant amount of rubber under, I would definitely lower it down further. My car isn't super low and still has fender gap to clear the giant wheels and tires and to not handle like crap, but on a non-track driven DD I'd totally lower it as much as possible.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 10, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 10, 2016, 06:15:33 PM
Lowered such that the tires/wheels are concentric with the wheel arches in the fender - good
Lowered such that the fender conceals some of the tire - bad. Looks especially bad when the front tire is partially concealed by the fender.
+1
(Except on older cars like mine where the tires are meant to tuck in. Then you lower it until the fender is even with the top lip of the rim)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Xer0 on September 11, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Post by: Xer0 on September 11, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Honestly, the more I read this thread the more I realize you want a Civic Turbo. Its almost as fast the Si, it gets something like 36 mpg combined, is super comfortable, and is available with both an auto and manual. You should be able to get them a tad over 20k too. And best of all, it'll have that new car smell. You're jumping through too many mental hoops to justify getting something boring, just own up to it and go full boring with a new Civic!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 11, 2016, 11:44:35 AM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 11, 2016, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Xer0 on September 11, 2016, 11:33:26 AM:cheers:
Honestly, the more I read this thread the more I realize you want a Civic Turbo. Its almost as fast the Si, it gets something like 36 mpg combined, is super comfortable, and is available with both an auto and manual. You should be able to get them a tad over 20k too. And best of all, it'll have that new car smell. You're jumping through too many mental hoops to justify getting something boring, just own up to it and go full boring with a new Civic!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 11, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
Post by: MrH on September 11, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on September 11, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Honestly, the more I read this thread the more I realize you want a Civic Turbo. Its almost as fast the Si, it gets something like 36 mpg combined, is super comfortable, and is available with both an auto and manual. You should be able to get them a tad over 20k too. And best of all, it'll have that new car smell. You're jumping through too many mental hoops to justify getting something boring, just own up to it and go full boring with a new Civic!
Yeah, you're right. Good call
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 11, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 11, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on September 11, 2016, 11:33:26 AMthis is not a terrible idea, but it's going to take a lot for me to get over the new Civic's looks.I'm not as bad as Raza, but I do need something that doesn't make me dry heave every time I see it. The new Civic is that bad. It's a shame because the new hatchback is all turbo with the available stick shift. Maybe if they do a refresh that brings it back to planet Earth aesthetically. It looks good outside of that
Honestly, the more I read this thread the more I realize you want a Civic Turbo. Its almost as fast the Si, it gets something like 36 mpg combined, is super comfortable, and is available with both an auto and manual. You should be able to get them a tad over 20k too. And best of all, it'll have that new car smell. You're jumping through too many mental hoops to justify getting something boring, just own up to it and go full boring with a new Civic!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on September 11, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 11, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
IMO the new civic looks terrific
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Post by: Vinsanity on September 11, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 11, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 11, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
IMO the new civic looks terrific
I'm with you there. And I hate to use cliche marketing lingo, but I feel that it's a true game-changer. It's the kind of car that would make people question spending money on anything more expensive
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 02:47:03 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 02:47:03 AM
On paper it's perfect but that rear end is ghastly. I would always have to back it in
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 08:36:57 AM
Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 08:36:57 AM
It looks better than the Chrysler 200 IMO :huh:
In blue, the new Civic looks really good. Just get the new Civic Type R. Then stop wasting time thinking about turboing the engine yourself. That's crazy talk.
In blue, the new Civic looks really good. Just get the new Civic Type R. Then stop wasting time thinking about turboing the engine yourself. That's crazy talk.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 09:13:19 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 09:13:19 AM
I still prefer the used 6 cylinder sports sedan idea. I want to wait for Honda to do a made model facelift before committing to the Civic. I don't want to be a guinea pig for the new turbo engine. Plus we can see if they fix the horrible horrible back end. And in any case 6 is always greater than 4. If I can live with an automatic, there won't be any reason to get a turbo Civic.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on September 12, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 12, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
The Civic is a really sharp drive, I liked it more than the Mazda 3. Also Honda has some deals.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 10:31:04 AM
Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 10:31:04 AM
You don't want to "be a guinea pig" for a new turbo engine from Honda, but you're considering a 200? That's like being a guinea pig, but it applies to all aspects of the car.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: ifcar on September 12, 2016, 10:54:52 AM
Post by: ifcar on September 12, 2016, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 09:13:19 AM
I still prefer the used 6 cylinder sports sedan idea. I want to wait for Honda to do a made model facelift before committing to the Civic. I don't want to be a guinea pig for the new turbo engine. Plus we can see if they fix the horrible horrible back end. And in any case 6 is always greater than 4. If I can live with an automatic, there won't be any reason to get a turbo Civic.
Em pee gees.
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Post by: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 11:03:53 AM
Quote from: MrH on September 12, 2016, 10:31:04 AM
You don't want to "be a guinea pig" for a new turbo engine from Honda, but you're considering a 200? That's like being a guinea pig, but it applies to all aspects of the car.
:lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: MrH on September 12, 2016, 10:31:04 AMI think most of the major stuff (engine, transmission, electronics) was vetted in other cars. Plus factory warranty (though it's a crapshoot that FCA will be around to honor it)
You don't want to "be a guinea pig" for a new turbo engine from Honda, but you're considering a 200? That's like being a guinea pig, but it applies to all aspects of the car.
I really just wanted to post a pic of a slammed 200 :lol:
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Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 12:35:25 PM
Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 12:35:25 PM
Vetted means something totally different to FCA than it does to Honda :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on September 12, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 12, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 12:34:40 PM
I think most of the major stuff (engine, transmission, electronics) was vetted in other cars. Plus factory warranty (though it's a crapshoot that FCA will be around to honor it)
I really just wanted to post a pic of a slammed 200 :lol:
The 3.6L is ok
but the 9AT is garbage
and the 2.4 is flaming garbage. And it's on a stretched compact car platform and it has no room.
Don't do it
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 12, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 12, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: MrH on September 12, 2016, 12:35:25 PM
Vetted means something totally different to FCA than it does to Honda :lol:
It means the lead designer gets to buy a Vette?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 12, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
It means the lead designer gets to buy a Vette?
Is that the adult version of being slimed on Nickelodeon?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 12, 2016, 03:27:21 PM
Post by: Raza on September 12, 2016, 03:27:21 PM
Volvo C30 T5.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: Raza on September 12, 2016, 03:27:21 PM*looks in mirror*
Volvo C30 T5.
*does not see Scandinavian architect*
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Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 04:53:38 PM
Post by: MrH on September 12, 2016, 04:53:38 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on September 12, 2016, 05:06:01 PM
Post by: Raza on September 12, 2016, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
*looks in mirror*
*does not see Scandinavian architect*
Hey, you can buy something boring or you can go for it, for possibly the last time before you have kids. Don't give in to the boring before you have to.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on September 12, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 12, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
With a few relatively minor tweaks, the C30 T5 can be transformed into the closest thing to a Gen 2 Focus RS you can get in North America, but in a more attractive, Swedish suit. Same basic platform and same engine (in a different state of tune). And I5 has decent character.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 12, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
Quote from: Raza on September 12, 2016, 05:06:01 PMThere are dads with interesting cars. Also, motorcycle. Might be time to change the sig pic
Hey, you can buy something boring or you can go for it, for possibly the last time before you have kids. Don't give in to the boring before you have to.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 12, 2016, 05:52:43 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 12, 2016, 05:52:43 PM
There's a T5 Polestar for sale here in the low $20k's that looks beautiful. I'd give it a look for sure.
It's such a cleanly styled car and fairly unique, too.
It's such a cleanly styled car and fairly unique, too.
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Post by: FoMoJo on September 12, 2016, 06:17:38 PM
Post by: FoMoJo on September 12, 2016, 06:17:38 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 12, 2016, 05:20:15 PMGood suggestion.
With a few relatively minor tweaks, the C30 T5 can be transformed into the closest thing to a Gen 2 Focus RS you can get in North America, but in a more attractive, Swedish suit. Same basic platform and same engine (in a different state of tune). And I5 has decent character.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
The Focus had an I5? Interesting.
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Post by: FoMoJo on September 12, 2016, 06:30:28 PM
Post by: FoMoJo on September 12, 2016, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 06:20:28 PMThe Euro version, I believe.
The Focus had an I5? Interesting.
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Post by: MX793 on September 12, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 12, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 12, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
The Focus had an I5? Interesting.
The second generation ST and RS used the Volvo I5 turbo. North America never got the 2nd gen Focus at all (ours was the ugly, facelifted 1st generation), but we did get its platform-mates: 1st generation Mazda3 and Volvo S40/C30/V50.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Madman on September 13, 2016, 05:03:44 AM
Post by: Madman on September 13, 2016, 05:03:44 AM
A guy down the street from me has a black C30 and it still catches my eye every time I drive past it. It's a very under-the-radar hot hatch! The car has lots of details which hark back to the 1800 ES and the 480, most of which will be known only to the hardcore Volvo cognoscenti.
Pity it didn't sell because nobody goes to a Volvo dealer looking for a hot hatch, and the few who did were scared away by the price tag. But, for those in the know, the C30 is a fantastic used buy.
Pity it didn't sell because nobody goes to a Volvo dealer looking for a hot hatch, and the few who did were scared away by the price tag. But, for those in the know, the C30 is a fantastic used buy.
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
Forum says C30.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 13, 2016, 08:10:35 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 13, 2016, 08:10:35 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 13, 2016, 08:00:05 AM
Forum says C30.
So, he'll end up with a Mazda3.:devil:
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 13, 2016, 08:10:35 AM
So, he'll end up with a Mazda3.:devil:
Close enough. :dance:
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Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 09:37:28 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: Madman on September 13, 2016, 05:03:44 AM
A guy down the street from me has a black C30 and it still catches my eye every time I drive past it. It's a very under-the-radar hot hatch! The car has lots of details which hark back to the 1800 ES and the 480, most of which will be known only to the hardcore Volvo cognoscenti.
Pity it didn't sell because nobody goes to a Volvo dealer looking for a hot hatch, and the few who did were scared away by the price tag. But, for those in the know, the C30 is a fantastic used buy.
Someone who lives on my block has a blue Polestar. It is sexy. I actually drove a C30 when I got the GTI, and while I liked the interior and the T5, the GTI was a better drive imo
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Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 09:37:28 AM
Someone who lives on my block has a blue Polestar. It is sexy. I actually drove a C30 when I got the GTI, and while I liked the interior and the T5, the GTI was a better drive imo
Did you drive the version with the sport suspension or the base/soft suspension?
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 09:37:28 AM
Someone who lives on my block has a blue Polestar. It is sexy. I actually drove a C30 when I got the GTI, and while I liked the interior and the T5, the GTI was a better drive imo
GTI did basically win all the reviews against it. But his wife already has a Rabbit, so I guessed they wouldn't want two in the family.
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Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
Did you drive the version with the sport suspension or the base/soft suspension?
Don't remember, this was in like 2011
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Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Don't remember, this was in like 2011
Didn't follow them that closely to know how options evolved, but when they first came out there were 2 trims: 1.0 and 2.0. 1.0 had A/S tires and softer suspension. Sport suspension and wider summer performance tires came on the 2.0. Sport suspension may have been an option on the 1.0. C&D's testing back in '08 was of a 1.0 with the regular suspension and A/S tires. They noted it was comfortable and well composed, but definitely more relaxed than the hot hatch segment.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
I don't trust a Volvo as far as I can throw it. That I5 is crammed in there, and the whole car is not as up to date as the competition.
I'd get a Turbo Civic and call it a day.
I'd get a Turbo Civic and call it a day.
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Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 02:49:03 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
I don't trust a Volvo as far as I can throw it. That I5 is crammed in there, and the whole car is not as up to date as the competition.
I'd get a Turbo Civic and call it a day.
The C1 platform was as up to date as anything else of the same vintage (mid to late '00s). It would obviously be a couple of generations behind a brand new Civic.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 02:49:03 PM
The C1 platform was as up to date as anything else of the same vintage (mid to late '00s). It would obviously be a couple of generations behind a brand new Civic.
Used Volvo compared to a New Civic, I meant.
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Used Volvo compared to a New Civic, I meant.
Yeah, but if you buy a used Volvo, you get an upscale interior, some of the best seats EVER to be bolted into a car, and nice exterior styling. If you buy a new Civic....you get none of those.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 04:12:42 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Yeah, but if you buy a used Volvo, you get an upscale interior, some of the best seats EVER to be bolted into a car, and nice exterior styling. If you buy a new Civic....you get none of those.
S40's are shit.
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:20:03 PM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 04:12:42 PM
S40's are shit.
I'm not saying S40, am I?
But by what metric?
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
Im pretty sure i said in the op i want sedan. C30 sucks bro case close
I can't buy a cat for nothing more than it looking good or having good seats. What's so bad about the old IS350
I can't buy a cat for nothing more than it looking good or having good seats. What's so bad about the old IS350
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:27:43 PM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:27:43 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
Im pretty sure i said in the op i want sedan. C30 sucks bro case close
I can't buy a cat for nothing more than it looking good or having good seats. What's so bad about the old IS350
OP didn't say shit about what kind of car you were looking for:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 04, 2016, 02:20:39 PM
You know the scenario. I'm thinking next year will be it. What would you do?
Main priority is reliability... a factory warranty would be a huge plus.
My joke post about Japanese cars basically sucking and European ones being the only ones worth driving becomes truer everyday, as sport models die (or are reincarnated into NSX-like fat hybrid pigs). Buy something fun before driving your own car becomes illegal, per your dream. :devil:
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2016, 04:49:55 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2016, 04:49:55 PM
Im not looking at new cars though
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Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Post by: Raza on September 13, 2016, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 13, 2016, 04:49:55 PM
Im not looking at new cars though
Shit, homie, The Suckening of cars didn't just start this week.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 07:32:23 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Raza on September 13, 2016, 04:20:03 PM
I'm not saying S40, am I?
But by what metric?
The steering is whack, and the interior is lame. Most modern compact cars beat it up.
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Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 07:56:31 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 07:56:31 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 07:32:23 PM
The steering is whack, and the interior is lame. Most modern compact cars beat it up.
The T5 AWD is a somewhat interesting prospect, especially with some aftermarket suspension bits. Kind of like the Saabaru, but on a better platform.
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Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 09:18:53 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2016, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Didn't follow them that closely to know how options evolved, but when they first came out there were 2 trims: 1.0 and 2.0. 1.0 had A/S tires and softer suspension. Sport suspension and wider summer performance tires came on the 2.0. Sport suspension may have been an option on the 1.0. C&D's testing back in '08 was of a 1.0 with the regular suspension and A/S tires. They noted it was comfortable and well composed, but definitely more relaxed than the hot hatch segment.
Then it was definitely one with the base suspension
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Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 11:10:08 PM
Post by: 2o6 on September 13, 2016, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 13, 2016, 07:56:31 PM
The T5 AWD is a somewhat interesting prospect, especially with some aftermarket suspension bits. Kind of like the Saabaru, but on a better platform.
Maybe the T5 AWD is better but the S40 I drove awhile back was such a wholly uninteresting car. The E90 and F30 are so much better
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 12:12:08 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 12:12:08 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 13, 2016, 05:48:52 PMBy this logic your Z sucks. Stop it :lol:
Shit, homie, The Suckening of cars didn't just start this week.
If anything sport sedans peaked from 2004-2012 or so. Hot hatches and pony cars continued to improve but I'm only tangentially looking at hatches and fundamentally opposed to pony car packaging efficiency (and not looking at coupes)
So the parameters are set. 4 doors, RWD, 280+ hp, not much bigger than the Civic to comfortably fit in my garage when winter comes. So no Civics, no lukewarm Volvo etc. Why should i settle?
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Post by: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 12:37:56 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 12:37:56 AM
If you end up with a Chrysler 200 over a Turbo Civic imma strike up a collection to have you banned
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 14, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 14, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 12:37:56 AM
If you end up with a Chrysler 200 over a Turbo Civic imma strike up a collection to have you banned
I support this decision.
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Post by: mzziaz on September 14, 2016, 02:46:46 AM
Post by: mzziaz on September 14, 2016, 02:46:46 AM
Well, the 200 looks very good, at least. Prettiest in class, IMO.
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Post by: MrH on September 14, 2016, 06:55:37 AM
Post by: MrH on September 14, 2016, 06:55:37 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 12:37:56 AM
If you end up with a Chrysler 200 over a Turbo Civic imma strike up a collection to have you banned
+1
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 07:32:45 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 07:32:45 AM
Quote from: mzziaz on September 14, 2016, 02:46:46 AMThat counts for a lot to some here. I'm getting mixed signals
Well, the 200 looks very good, at least. Prettiest in class, IMO.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
It does look ok, but IMO it looks like what it is - a compact car stretched to hell with unusable proportions.
I'd be less offended if you got a Malibu 2.0T.
I'd be less offended if you got a Malibu 2.0T.
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Post by: Vinsanity on September 14, 2016, 09:30:59 AM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 14, 2016, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 14, 2016, 07:44:48 AMGotta have that 6 cylinder, son
It does look ok, but IMO it looks like what it is - a compact car stretched to hell with unusable proportions.
I'd be less offended if you got a Malibu 2.0T.
Which begs the question, why not an Accord over the 200? They still make the sedans with the V6 and 6MT, right?
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Post by: CALL_911 on September 14, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on September 14, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
Quote from: Vinsanity on September 14, 2016, 09:30:59 AMNo
Gotta have that 6 cylinder, son
Which begs the question, why not an Accord over the 200? They still make the sedans with the V6 and 6MT, right?
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But what's wrong w an accord sport?
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
Theres nothing an Accord has over a Civic Si or ILX that matters to me. 400 extra lbs and extra space I don't want is not a selling point. Same reason I skipped an Accord over my current car. To me the E90 is about the perfect size for a sedan.... don't want to stray too far from it.
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Post by: Vinsanity on September 14, 2016, 01:02:24 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on September 14, 2016, 01:02:24 PM
But you can get an Accord with a V6...
I guess this Chrysler 200 nonsense just has us all kinda confused
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I guess this Chrysler 200 nonsense just has us all kinda confused
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Post by: giant_mtb on September 14, 2016, 01:24:26 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on September 14, 2016, 01:24:26 PM
Chryslers still go to shit in no time, just so you know.
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Post by: MX793 on September 14, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 14, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on September 14, 2016, 01:24:26 PM
Chryslers still go to shit in no time, just so you know.
Some of them are shit right out of the factory.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 14, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: Vinsanity on September 14, 2016, 01:02:24 PMI like the 200 and think people's anger towards it is funny. I wouldn't risk my time and money on one though, just threw it out there for laughs mostly, which I got.
But you can get an Accord with a V6...
I guess this Chrysler 200 nonsense just has us all kinda confused
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Post by: Raza on September 15, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
Post by: Raza on September 15, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
RX-8.
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Post by: veeman on September 15, 2016, 10:54:46 PM
Post by: veeman on September 15, 2016, 10:54:46 PM
Mini Cooper Clubman.
Decent backseat, good size for what you want, looks better than the Civic. Lots of different styling/color options. Handles well. Good visibility. I don't know about road noise though. Doesn't have Honda reliability and repairs will be more expensive.
Decent backseat, good size for what you want, looks better than the Civic. Lots of different styling/color options. Handles well. Good visibility. I don't know about road noise though. Doesn't have Honda reliability and repairs will be more expensive.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 03:13:25 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 03:13:25 AM
MINIs are like the least reliable cars on the road and they don't give much back for that sacrifice. I'd rather just do a GTI....
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Post by: MrH on September 16, 2016, 07:12:36 AM
Post by: MrH on September 16, 2016, 07:12:36 AM
Imagine is Minis had Toyota reliability. Ah, that'd be the best.
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Post by: Raza on September 16, 2016, 08:57:33 AM
Post by: Raza on September 16, 2016, 08:57:33 AM
Quote from: Raza on September 15, 2016, 04:44:18 PM
RX-8.
For real. RX-8. RWD, quick, great manual, good looks, usable back seats.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
"Usable back seats" my ass. Also, the Renesis is garbage and will need rebuilt/replaced at 70K miles.
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Post by: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
Post by: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
"Usable back seats" my ass. Also, the Renesis is garbage and will need rebuilt/replaced at 70K miles.
And fuel economy will be high teens or low 20s.
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Post by: Raza on September 16, 2016, 09:05:26 AM
Post by: Raza on September 16, 2016, 09:05:26 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
"Usable back seats" my ass. Also, the Renesis is garbage and will need rebuilt/replaced at 70K miles.
The seats are nearly as usable as in most of the cars he's looking at. No one is going to choose one as a chauffeur car over a Phantom, but still.
(http://cdn.pinthiscars.com/images/2004-mazda-rx8-interior-wallpaper-8.jpg)
As for the engine, as long as you care for it properly, it should be fine.
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Post by: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Post by: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
No, it won't. Rotaries are naturally less hardy than any piston engine. Apex seals leak, Irons wear out, etc.
Also, those rear seats are as workable as a 2-door Fiat 500.
Also, those rear seats are as workable as a 2-door Fiat 500.
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Post by: MrH on September 16, 2016, 09:09:40 AM
Post by: MrH on September 16, 2016, 09:09:40 AM
RX-8s are actually probably comfortable to ride around in the back of. The seat height is plenty high. Not a ton of room to stretch your legs, but I'm not eating my knees the whole time I'm sitting back there.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
"Usable back seats" my ass. Also, the Renesis is garbage and will need rebuilt/replaced at 70K miles.
Have you sat in one? At 6'3" I had no problem in the back of an RX8.
Also, the Renesis is not garbage. It just blew kept blowing up due to improper maintenance from owners.
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Post by: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Have you sat in one? At 6'3" I had no problem in the back of an RX8.
Also, the Renesis is not garbage. It just blew kept blowing up due to improper maintenance from owners.
Even if cared for properly, they generally won't last as long as a piston engine before needing a rebuild.
Also, since you'd be looking at a used one, how do you know if the previous owner(s) treated it right?
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 12:28:34 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 12:28:34 PM
Quote from: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
Even if cared for properly, they generally won't last as long as a piston engine before needing a rebuild.
Also, since you'd be looking at a used one, how do you know if the previous owner(s) treated it right?
Buy one that just had its engine replaced? :lol:
That's what my friend did.
Also, in '09 they added more oil injectors for increased life. My friend has been tracking the shit out of his (like 40+ track events) and hasn't had any problems with the car. He also premixes his gas too and is generally pretty anal about maintenance.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 12:52:47 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 12:52:47 PM
Premixing gas? You guys are terrible at this. No, RX-8 is a horrible choice. Even if it worked right, it's got the oomph of an 8th gen Civic Si (read: next to none) with the gas mileage of an E39 M5. Only upsides are supposedly sublime handling, which is nice but not a deal maker, and internet contrarian cred which I literally could not care less about. No no no
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 01:16:36 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 12:52:47 PM
Premixing gas? You guys are terrible at this. No, RX-8 is a horrible choice. Even if it worked right, it's got the oomph of an 8th gen Civic Si (read: next to none) with the gas mileage of an E39 M5. Only upsides are supposedly sublime handling, which is nice but not a deal maker, and internet contrarian cred which I literally could not care less about. No no no
Do note that I never suggested it. Just that the reliability is at least partly to blame on owners and that the back seat doesn't completely suck.
I do think it's one of the worst suggestions so far though (sorry Raza).
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 02:07:38 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 02:07:38 PM
I think r0tor and Onslaught both had to replace their engines and neither of them strike me as the dumb owner type.
The engines are designed to burn oil and apex seals are wear items. I'm sure the avg American owner doesn't help but most cars survive under regular American owner care. Rotary is just a shit idea in practice.
The engines are designed to burn oil and apex seals are wear items. I'm sure the avg American owner doesn't help but most cars survive under regular American owner care. Rotary is just a shit idea in practice.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 02:30:13 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 02:30:13 PM
Mazda designed the Renesis originally to have only 1 oil injector to reduce the oil consumption but that caused the apex seals to grenade themselves. The updated engines don't have the same problem, I think, but I doubt the average RX8 owner is premixing or checking oil levels as often as they should.
Either way there are plenty of much better options out there.
Either way there are plenty of much better options out there.
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Post by: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 02:55:35 PM
Post by: MX793 on September 16, 2016, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 02:30:13 PM
Mazda designed the Renesis originally to have only 1 oil injector to reduce the oil consumption but that caused the apex seals to grenade themselves. The updated engines don't have the same problem, I think, but I doubt the average RX8 owner is premixing or checking oil levels as often as they should.
Either way there are plenty of much better options out there.
Onslaught had an R3, which had the updated motor.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 03:04:03 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 16, 2016, 03:04:03 PM
Did his explode?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 11:00:30 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 11:00:30 AM
How mad would you guys be if I got a Camry SE V6? :lol:
I'm giggling as I type this.
Obviously super reliable + decent resale and not expensive at all.
The SE's from 2007-2014 don't look too bad in/out. Better than any of the other V6 mainstreamers from those years by a wide margin.
Obviously super under the radar.
27 MPG regular on Fuelly. Kind of significant compared to the ~20MPG premium I'd get out of the G37. Basically what I'm getting out of the Civic now, with 2x the HP.... 2 second lopped off 0-60 and the 1/4.
No problems fitting rear child seat at all.
I know from experience that those V6s are quick.... I got convincingly beat by an Avalon in the Z and there are plenty of YT vids. Low 14 sec car all dayay.
Mods/aftermarket is surprisingly decent. I have the course plotted... coilovers obviously, intake, true dual exhaust, Highlander brakes, trans cooler, RX350 projector retrofit, some kind of subwoofer, better tires. If I wind up keeping it for more than 2 yrs might seriously consider a Sienna/Highlander final drive (12-20% shorter). 2012-2014s even have paddle shift :lol:
It will infuriate Raza and probably seriously annoy MCM.
Downsides, obviously it's a Camry. Would suck to put all that twork into it and still have it not be great.... but then I'll probably be onto something else in 2-3 years and it could be a fun little experiment either way.
How bad of an idea is this? I'm definitely going to test drive one when the time comes.
I'm giggling as I type this.
Obviously super reliable + decent resale and not expensive at all.
The SE's from 2007-2014 don't look too bad in/out. Better than any of the other V6 mainstreamers from those years by a wide margin.
Obviously super under the radar.
27 MPG regular on Fuelly. Kind of significant compared to the ~20MPG premium I'd get out of the G37. Basically what I'm getting out of the Civic now, with 2x the HP.... 2 second lopped off 0-60 and the 1/4.
No problems fitting rear child seat at all.
I know from experience that those V6s are quick.... I got convincingly beat by an Avalon in the Z and there are plenty of YT vids. Low 14 sec car all dayay.
Mods/aftermarket is surprisingly decent. I have the course plotted... coilovers obviously, intake, true dual exhaust, Highlander brakes, trans cooler, RX350 projector retrofit, some kind of subwoofer, better tires. If I wind up keeping it for more than 2 yrs might seriously consider a Sienna/Highlander final drive (12-20% shorter). 2012-2014s even have paddle shift :lol:
It will infuriate Raza and probably seriously annoy MCM.
Downsides, obviously it's a Camry. Would suck to put all that twork into it and still have it not be great.... but then I'll probably be onto something else in 2-3 years and it could be a fun little experiment either way.
How bad of an idea is this? I'm definitely going to test drive one when the time comes.
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Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
Trans cooler? I mean, I've seen a Camry pulling a trailer, but...?
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 11:20:29 AMProbably overkill.
Trans cooler? I mean, I've seen a Camry pulling a trailer, but...?
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Post by: SJ_GTI on October 12, 2016, 11:30:59 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 12, 2016, 11:30:59 AM
I don't hate that class of car...but why the Camry over an Accord for instance? Or Mazda 6?
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 11:43:49 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 11:43:49 AM
Yeah, I don't mind that segment but there's no way I'd take a V6 Camry over a Mazda6. Hell I'd drop the V6 for the I4 with the manual. Better looking, not as common (right up your alley), better to drive while being no less practical and only somewhat slower (ok, probably significantly slower, but lets be real, how often are you going to be drag racing a V6 Camry?).
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Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 11:51:50 AM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 11:00:30 AM
coilovers obviously, intake, true dual exhaust, Highlander brakes, trans cooler, RX350 projector retrofit, some kind of subwoofer, better tires.
A Camry isn't a bad idea. What's quoted above is really really stupid though.
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Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 11:52:44 AM
Yeah you'll just end up with an unsellable nightmare
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Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 12:31:19 PM
Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 12:31:19 PM
I think a V6 Camry would be good for you on coilovers. The stripper V6 CamCords are a massive deal for what you get vs the next size down.
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Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Now that we're down to automatics, get a Mazda6 and call it a day.
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Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 12:34:26 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 12:34:26 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
Probably overkill.
Otherwise, nothin' really wrong with a Camry. They are what they are.
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Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 12:36:30 PM
Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Now that we're down to automatics, get a Mazda6 and call it a day.
He ran a 4cyl out of a Civic, I'd imagine the 4cyl in a midsizer would get run out much earlier.
He needs a V6. He likes V6 noises anyway
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Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:38:27 PM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: Rich on October 12, 2016, 12:36:30 PM
He ran a 4cyl out of a Civic, I'd imagine the 4cyl in a midsizer would get run out much earlier.
He needs a V6. He likes V6 noises anyway
He misshifted his civic. That's what killed it. And now he's looking at autos.
I just think a Mazda6 is more enjoyable to drive. A V6 camry is quick, but not really satisfying.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 12, 2016, 11:51:50 AM
A Camry isn't a bad idea. What's quoted above is really really stupid though.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 11:52:44 AMMrH didn't surprise me, though Camino you did. You guys do realize aftermarket parts come off right?
Yeah you'll just end up with an unsellable nightmare
Whatever I get has to be a project. That is just my automotive life. It is what it is, "really stupid" or not.
Quote from: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:33:13 PMEngine + trans in the auto Mazda3 2.0 rental I had sucked, this would be no better. Also really jonesing for a 6 banger
Now that we're down to automatics, get a Mazda6 and call it a day.
Quote from: Rich on October 12, 2016, 12:31:19 PMIt's a shame they don't put V6s in the C segment cars. The new Corolla is bigger than a lot of old Camry V6s. I could do a Corolla with a V6 + 6AT.
I think a V6 Camry would be good for you on coilovers. The stripper V6 CamCords are a massive deal for what you get vs the next size down.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 12:44:13 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 12, 2016, 12:38:27 PM"Satisfying" is very subjective. Like I said before, the Mazda3 2.0 and Golf TSI drove exactly the same to me, except for the Golf's way torquier engine, which I personally found more satisfying. At the minimum I figure it's worth a test drive... if it's truly awful and hopeless I'll pass. But yea I'm not interested in something like an Accord Sport or Mazda6. No replacement for a 6 cylinder
He misshifted his civic. That's what killed it. And now he's looking at autos.
I just think a Mazda6 is more enjoyable to drive. A V6 camry is quick, but not really satisfying.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 12:53:04 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 12:53:04 PM
TSX V6?
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Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 12:58:15 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 12:58:15 PM
Just get a FFR Cobra to satisfy your tinkering and then a CR-V for DD
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Post by: SJ_GTI on October 12, 2016, 12:59:14 PM
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 12, 2016, 12:59:14 PM
I can see the draw of a V6. I would trade a my car's engine for a weaker (but smoother) V6 if I had a choice.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 12:53:04 PMI considered it, but let me ask you a question. What can the TSX V6 do that a Camry V6 can't that's worth worse gas mileage on premium, 1 less transmission gear, and worse condition/higher mileage for the same $$$? One of my wife's friends has a TSX wagon, and it's nice, but nothing special. Doesn't put a Camry/200 to shame IMO.
TSX V6?
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 12:58:15 PMIf I built one of those kit car go karts it would be a Honda Odyssey V6 equipped Exocet. And why a CR-V? I live in the South, no need for ground clearance or AWD. I left the north to get away from that BS.
Just get a FFR Cobra to satisfy your tinkering and then a CR-V for DD
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Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 01:14:15 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
MrH didn't surprise me, though Camino you did. You guys do realize aftermarket parts come off right?
Whatever I get has to be a project. That is just my automotive life. It is what it is, "really stupid" or not.
Engine + trans in the auto Mazda3 2.0 rental I had sucked, this would be no better. Also really jonesing for a 6 banger
It's a shame they don't put V6s in the C segment cars. The new Corolla is bigger than a lot of old Camry V6s. I could do a Corolla with a V6 + 6AT.
Duuuuude a Corolla with AWD and a V6 would be a fuckin' HOOT in the winter.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 01:15:01 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
I considered it, but let me ask you a question. What can the TSX V6 do that a Camry V6 can't that's worth worse gas mileage on premium, 1 less transmission gear, and worse condition/higher mileage for the same $$$? One of my wife's friends has a TSX wagon, and it's nice, but nothing special. Doesn't put a Camry/200 to shame IMO.
Better looks, better interior, better to drive?
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Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 01:15:51 PM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
I considered it, but let me ask you a question. What can the TSX V6 do that a Camry V6 can't that's worth worse gas mileage on premium, 1 less transmission gear, and worse condition/higher mileage for the same $$$? One of my wife's friends has a TSX wagon, and it's nice, but nothing special. Doesn't put a Camry/200 to shame IMO.
It'll drive significantly better than a Camry.
You need to rent a 200 for a week so you can put that idea to rest.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 01:15:01 PMLooks are in the eye of the beholder. I dislike the 2nd gen TSX more than recent Camry SEs. TSX V6 is not a great drive either.
Better looks, better interior, better to drive?
I need to get behind the wheels of these things.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 01:40:59 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Looks are in the eye of the beholder. I dislike the 2nd gen TSX more than recent Camry SEs. TSX V6 is not a great drive either.
I need to get behind the wheels of these things.
OK, I'll give you looks, and FWIW the '07-14 (especially the facelifted ones) SE V6s are pretty nice looking cars.
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Post by: CALL_911 on October 12, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on October 12, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
I like the way those things look, and they sound pretty decent too. The 2GR was a beast back in its day (I would still take it over most turbo-4s)
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Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 02:28:10 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
If I built one of those kit car go karts it would be a Honda Odyssey V6 equipped Exocet. And why a CR-V? I live in the South, no need for ground clearance or AWD. I left the north to get away from that BS.
Fair enough. Point is to keep the new VanillaMobile stock and in mint condition, tinker with the toy.
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Post by: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Post by: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 12, 2016, 01:15:51 PM
You need to rent a 200 for a week so you can put that idea to rest.
ROOOFL tell me about it. Fucking terrible car.
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Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 12, 2016, 03:18:29 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 12, 2016, 03:18:29 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 01:14:15 PM
Duuuuude a Corolla with AWD and a V6 would be a fuckin' HOOT in the winter.
Tercel
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Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LwDX0aY.jpg)
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Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 03:34:00 PM
Stop. Don't encourage him :facepalm: :lol:
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 04:08:01 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 04:08:01 PM
Quote from: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 02:46:05 PMThe base rental spec is totally different from the top of the line V6 cars.
ROOOFL tell me about it. Fucking terrible car.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 03:29:11 PMThis is too much, even for me :lol:
(http://i.imgur.com/LwDX0aY.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8d/6c/c5/8d6cc5b644f44c1157442b27d7cf5f9f.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/jjo429.jpg)
(http://eibach.com/sites/devperformance-suspension.eibach.com/files/news/eibach_news/toyota_camry_pro-kit_2012-13/toyota_camry_pro-kit_2012-13_after.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
Buick Regal. End of thread.
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Post by: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
Post by: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
WRX
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Post by: CALL_911 on October 12, 2016, 05:08:28 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on October 12, 2016, 05:08:28 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infiniti-Q40-Base-Sedan-4-Door-/262668652909?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d2845916d:g:lukAAOSwCGVX~HLW&item=262668652909
Quick, good looking, reasonably new, mis-shift proof
Quick, good looking, reasonably new, mis-shift proof
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 05:19:42 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 05:19:42 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 12, 2016, 04:20:13 PMWorse than the Camry in every way I can think of, besides handling, which itself is questionable as the Regal weighs ~400-600lbs more and doesn't have good steering. Also, 4 banger that gets significantly worse fuel mileage on premium. Come ON bro.
Buick Regal. End of thread.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 12, 2016, 05:08:28 PMI know, Q40/G37 are high on the list.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Infiniti-Q40-Base-Sedan-4-Door-/262668652909?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3d2845916d:g:lukAAOSwCGVX~HLW&item=262668652909
Quick, good looking, reasonably new, mis-shift proof
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Post by: 2o6 on October 12, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Post by: 2o6 on October 12, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
You are making all these damn claims on driving experience and ain't driven none of them.
The Regal is sharper than the Camry.
The Regal is sharper than the Camry.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 05:45:08 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 05:45:08 PM
Maybe we shouldn't give any more recommendations till Sporty goes out and drives all these things and reports back. :lol:
FWIW I like hearing your (sporty) take on test drives.... so get out there and do it first and then speculate/mag race. :devil:
FWIW I like hearing your (sporty) take on test drives.... so get out there and do it first and then speculate/mag race. :devil:
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Post by: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 06:17:51 PM
Post by: Laconian on October 12, 2016, 06:17:51 PM
Actually, I really would love to witness his disillusionment with the 200. In real time, on a video.
Enjoy those 2nd gear kick-in-the-ass shifts and never being able to parallel park with that high trunk!
Enjoy those 2nd gear kick-in-the-ass shifts and never being able to parallel park with that high trunk!
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Post by: Vinsanity on October 12, 2016, 06:40:02 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on October 12, 2016, 06:40:02 PM
I would at least go Accord over Camry but that's just me.
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Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 06:47:48 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2016, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 12, 2016, 06:40:02 PM
I would at least go Accord over Camry but that's just me.
+1
I want my mom to get an Accord Hybrid. 200 something combined HP and 50 mpg
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Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 07:46:11 PM
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 07:46:11 PM
I don't understand the appeal of a 200 with coilovers, exhaust, and intake. All that out the door is $24k. And will be worth $12k in 6 months. Take out a small loan and pony up for a 2014 is350 f sport. Infinitely better car in all aspects. And when you consider depreciation from owning for a few years, cost per mile will almost certainly be less than this terrible 200 idea.
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Post by: Raza on October 12, 2016, 08:09:28 PM
Post by: Raza on October 12, 2016, 08:09:28 PM
Camry, eh? Not really doing much to negate the soft evaluation. :lol:
In all seriousness, it's a floating boat with a big engine. You can get seasick in one. Accord is much better.
In all seriousness, it's a floating boat with a big engine. You can get seasick in one. Accord is much better.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
I'm over the 200 idea. I still like how it looks, but cost per mile and aftermarket suck. It's just funny to see people get angry about it :lol:
Realistically, G37S 7AT, but I really do want to give a V6 Camry a drive at least as its cost per mile will literally be like 1/2 that of the G, with not a ton lost satisfaction wise in the context of my daily grind. Probably 60%+ of my driving is on the highway, with 30% in town stuck behind somebody, and the remaining 10% where I can cut loose on a back road. Lower purchase price + an extra $100/mo from gas in my pocket is nothing to sneeze at either. It's a responsible look. Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.
Realistically, G37S 7AT, but I really do want to give a V6 Camry a drive at least as its cost per mile will literally be like 1/2 that of the G, with not a ton lost satisfaction wise in the context of my daily grind. Probably 60%+ of my driving is on the highway, with 30% in town stuck behind somebody, and the remaining 10% where I can cut loose on a back road. Lower purchase price + an extra $100/mo from gas in my pocket is nothing to sneeze at either. It's a responsible look. Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.
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Post by: MexicoCityM3 on October 12, 2016, 08:15:37 PM
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on October 12, 2016, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.
We know. :facepalm:
It's hard to pick something more boring than the Civic but it seems you'll manage to do it.
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Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 12, 2016, 08:28:58 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 12, 2016, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 12, 2016, 08:15:37 PM:lol:
We know. :facepalm:
It's hard to pick something more boring than the Civic but it seems you'll manage to do it.
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Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 12, 2016, 08:29:05 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 12, 2016, 08:29:05 PM
I voted for turbo Civic.
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Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
I'm over the 200 idea. I still like how it looks, but cost per mile and aftermarket suck. It's just funny to see people get angry about it :lol:
Realistically, G37S 7AT, but I really do want to give a V6 Camry a drive at least as its cost per mile will literally be like 1/2 that of the G, with not a ton lost satisfaction wise in the context of my daily grind. Probably 60%+ of my driving is on the highway, with 30% in town stuck behind somebody, and the remaining 10% where I can cut loose on a back road. Lower purchase price + an extra $100/mo from gas in my pocket is nothing to sneeze at either. It's a responsible look. Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.
What's the daily split look like between the bike and car? You seem pretty over cars as a whole so it'd make sense to get a Camry or something if you just would rather ride.
I would also rather ride but still don't want to give up driving. If I were to do it again I'd get something with practical with a stick, like a wagon, and not something so hardcore like the Miata, but eh.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 12, 2016, 08:37:18 PMI probably ride like 20% of the time. When the weather works I ride like 3-4 days a week but I'm pretty picky about the weather. It's gonna go up though now that I have this photochromic helmet visor. So that's a big part of the meh. I'd need something like a Cayman to match the agility of the bike. It's not even worth trying to pursue. So something comfy that can discipline people on the highway and looks good enough to get the "look back" is enough for me.
What's the daily split look like between the bike and car? You seem pretty over cars as a whole so it'd make sense to get a Camry or something if you just would rather ride.
I would also rather ride but still don't want to give up driving. If I were to do it again I'd get something with practical with a stick, like a wagon, and not something so hardcore like the Miata, but eh.
Truthfully I should have got a G sedan when I got the Z, but I couldn't afford one with low enough miles to keep for a long time at that point. Now I can
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Post by: Vinsanity on October 12, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
Post by: Vinsanity on October 12, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=437122460 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=437122460)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=440179553 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=440179553)
I've been giving these more consideration than I probably should be, but for the same price as a new Civic turbo, these are hard to beat.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=440179553 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=440179553)
I've been giving these more consideration than I probably should be, but for the same price as a new Civic turbo, these are hard to beat.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/10fna7m.jpg)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y311/PILLIONAIRE1/26614410017_large1.jpg)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y311/PILLIONAIRE1/26614410017_large1.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 12:11:53 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 12:11:53 AM
Damn, pretty crazy how well Infiniti G wheels fit on a Camry...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 12:19:52 AM
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 12:19:52 AM
Yeah and those Highlander ones look good too, but probably weigh 28lbs lol
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 05:46:59 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 05:46:59 AM
Ha ha, those are pretty funny.
I definitely prefer the 2012-2014 body style more. Looks better and has paddleshift :lol:
I definitely prefer the 2012-2014 body style more. Looks better and has paddleshift :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 05:51:05 AM
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 05:51:05 AM
FINE THEN
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg503/unRaTeD11/20120814_134212.jpg)
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg503/unRaTeD11/20120814_134212.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 05:51:24 AM
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 05:51:24 AM
Wait nvm that's the same gen
:lol:
:lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 06:20:38 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 06:20:38 AM
Camriee are so disgusting. I'd rather have a 4 cyl Accord.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 06:25:44 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 06:25:44 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 05:51:24 AM:lol:
Wait nvm that's the same gen
:lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.
How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?
Go. :popcorn:
How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?
Go. :popcorn:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.
How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?
Go. :popcorn:
It's not. It just doesn't have that "cool" factor.
Plus, my 4Runner had a manual. :neverforget: :canada: :erjerbs: :internetry:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 13, 2016, 10:40:27 AM
Post by: MX793 on October 13, 2016, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.
How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?
Go. :popcorn:
Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry. Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.
It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth. Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat). Relatively athletic handling. V6 was reasonably peppy.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
I recommend a Mercedes-Benz 240D
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:03:51 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 13, 2016, 10:40:27 AM
Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry. Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.
It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth. Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat). Relatively athletic handling. V6 was reasonably peppy.
The 5 door was so cool. I wish that was more popular. 5 door MS6 would have been amazing.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: RomanChariot on October 13, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
Post by: RomanChariot on October 13, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
I recommend a Mercedes-Benz 240D
I'll see your 240D and raise you a Volvo 240DL stick shift.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:07:08 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 13, 2016, 10:40:27 AMI was looking at them when I bought the Civic. Too many problems.
Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry. Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.
It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth. Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat). Relatively athletic handling. V6 was reasonably peppy.
2nd gens have a nice sized V6 but man are they ugly. Gas guzzlers and auto only too. Nearest Mazda dealer to me is about 11 miles away and the opposite way from work as opposed to the Toyota dealer which is half the distance and right off the highway on the way to work. Not a terrible suggestion but the Camry still wins.... 09 Camrys look way better IMO.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:09:26 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:09:26 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 10:32:44 AMThis is kind of what I want to get at the root of. No snark or anything, but does this really matter? Do bros here really factor in other people's feelings about a car into their purchasing decisions? At least to the degree that it would sway them away from a car that would be a better choice for their needs? :confused:
It's not. It just doesn't have that "cool" factor.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:09:26 AM
This is kind of what I want to get at the root of. No snark or anything, but does this really matter? Do bros here really factor in other people's feelings about a car into their purchasing decisions? At least to the degree that it would sway them away from a car that would be a better choice for their needs? :confused:
I think it's because it's the "unthusiast" car. It's what the average person gets.
It's a great car for what it is, just seems like the easy choice, and I'm surprised you want one since you seem to like the quirky choices. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 13, 2016, 11:20:17 AM
Post by: MrH on October 13, 2016, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.
How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?
Go. :popcorn:
It's not worse :confused:
I drive a 4Runner because I like and use the utility of it. :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:28:47 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:11:17 AMIn the context of enthusiasts, it IS the quirky choice :lol:
I think it's because it's the "unthusiast" car. It's what the average person gets.
It's a great car for what it is, just seems like the easy choice, and I'm surprised you want one since you seem to like the quirky choices. :lol:
Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.
People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:35:00 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:28:47 AM
In the context of enthusiasts, it IS the quirky choice :lol:
Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.
People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.
Because it seems like a waste of money if you ever sell the car. If you swap everything back to stock you can sell the car but then you still have a bunch of useless mods that will be a bitch to get rid of. I'm imagining there isn't much of a market for aftermarket used parts.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 13, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 13, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
I mean, I've driven a Camry and its not bad...just numb. I think the only rentals I've had that I didn't like were a Nissan Altima (last generation I think) and a Hyundai Sonata (2 gens ago). I had a Malibu a few years ago and thought it was perfectly acceptable as well. Not something I'd buy myself (because I like smaller, sportier cars) but it handled competently and was comfortable.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:52:26 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 13, 2016, 11:35:00 AMDoing anything but buying a 5 year old car and driving it for 200K miles is a waste of money. Might as well have fun with it :lol:
Because it seems like a waste of money if you ever sell the car. If you swap everything back to stock you can sell the car but then you still have a bunch of useless mods that will be a bitch to get rid of. I'm imagining there isn't much of a market for aftermarket used parts.
Unless I really end up loving this thing it's gonna be a transitional car anyway. Like I said before I could see myself in an M235i or I/GS350 F-sport for a very long time once they're in my price range. Probably won't even mod those. But I do want something a little more chill and quick in the short term. Modded Camry V6 can bridge the gap.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 13, 2016, 12:14:13 PM
Post by: MrH on October 13, 2016, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 11:28:47 AM
In the context of enthusiasts, it IS the quirky choice :lol:
Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.
People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.
Because the whole car isn't designed for it. It's not like the Camry is some amazing sports car, just waiting for a decent set of shocks to unleash it's potential. The whole thing is flawed from a dynamics perspective. And no one wants coilovers for it, so there aren't even any decent options. You're stuck with some no name garbage set of coilovers. So you're going to ruin the smooth ride and gain nothing essentially.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 13, 2016, 12:14:13 PMLol. There are Bilstein B14 kits for the VW Beetle, VW Passat, Lexus GS300, Mazda 2 etc.... availability of coilovers has nothing to do with the dynamic potential of a platform. How is a Camry any more dynamically flawed than a Passat?
Because the whole car isn't designed for it. It's not like the Camry is some amazing sports car, just waiting for a decent set of shocks to unleash it's potential. The whole thing is flawed from a dynamics perspective. And no one wants coilovers for it, so there aren't even any decent options. You're stuck with some no name garbage set of coilovers. So you're going to ruin the smooth ride and gain nothing essentially.
And Tein makes coilovers for it, as do Fortune Auto, who sends a dyno test out with every set they build #datdigression
Bottom line is you are trying to present your personal beliefs/tastes as some kind of objective truth, and failing :lol: If coilovers are OK for a FWD A6 they are OK for a Camry.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 13, 2016, 12:38:14 PM
Post by: MrH on October 13, 2016, 12:38:14 PM
I think they're also a waste for a Passat.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
By your logic, coilovers from a legit brand for them exist, so they can't be a waste :lol:
And nobody said anything about coilovers turning a family sedan into a sports car. They'll tighten up the ride and make it look good. Roads down here are butter smooth so ride quality is no biggie. The Z was comfortable and the Civic almost feels downright soft despite the STs having springs 2x stiffer than stock
Just say "I don't want you to do this because I don't like it" and stop with these weak ass faux rationalizations :lol:
And nobody said anything about coilovers turning a family sedan into a sports car. They'll tighten up the ride and make it look good. Roads down here are butter smooth so ride quality is no biggie. The Z was comfortable and the Civic almost feels downright soft despite the STs having springs 2x stiffer than stock
Just say "I don't want you to do this because I don't like it" and stop with these weak ass faux rationalizations :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Madman on October 13, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
Post by: Madman on October 13, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
A Camry? A FU**ING Camry?!?!?
Hand over your gearhead card! It's just been revoked!
:lol:
Hand over your gearhead card! It's just been revoked!
:lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
I put cheap coils on an old Outback so i don't really see a problem. If he doesn't like it oh well... he only spent his money so instead of bitch why not wait for the possible fail and just point and laugh?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 02:15:06 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 02:15:06 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 01:50:42 PMExactly. No sweat off your back. My life, your entertainment :praise: You should be happy to cross paths with a guy willing to put coilovers on a Camry
I put cheap coils on an old Outback so i don't really see a problem. If he doesn't like it oh well... he only spent his money so instead of bitch why not wait for the possible fail and just point and laugh?
I think this has the potential to be if not awesome, at least interesting and practical enough to warrant doing.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 13, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
Post by: 2o6 on October 13, 2016, 04:12:19 PM
This lives near me. Kinda dope, tbh
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/755C4DDA-859F-4277-9DB9-E7075EC77C36.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Vannette_12/media/755C4DDA-859F-4277-9DB9-E7075EC77C36.jpg.html)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/6DA9D99C-96D0-496A-923B-A525E6683D6F.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Vannette_12/media/6DA9D99C-96D0-496A-923B-A525E6683D6F.jpg.html)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/755C4DDA-859F-4277-9DB9-E7075EC77C36.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Vannette_12/media/755C4DDA-859F-4277-9DB9-E7075EC77C36.jpg.html)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i87/Vannette_12/6DA9D99C-96D0-496A-923B-A525E6683D6F.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/Vannette_12/media/6DA9D99C-96D0-496A-923B-A525E6683D6F.jpg.html)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 04:42:20 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 04:42:20 PM
That is not bad at all. Not great, but not bad
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 13, 2016, 06:31:42 PM
Post by: Raza on October 13, 2016, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.
How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?
Go. :popcorn:
You're giving up a lot of utility for possibly even more boring to drive.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M
Quote from: Raza on October 13, 2016, 06:31:42 PM
You're giving up a lot of utility for possibly even more boring to drive.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M775ieGVYik/UJC6l82Fi0I/AAAAAAAAAUA/iAwicwPdl5E/s1600/Why_so_serious__by_inge80.jpg)
You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M775ieGVYik/UJC6l82Fi0I/AAAAAAAAAUA/iAwicwPdl5E/s1600/Why_so_serious__by_inge80.jpg)
You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:
Yes, we know it's fast. And it can make noises. But it's fugly. And I have to assume the brakes, steering and shift logic are as infuriating as ever. Anyway, wouldn't you rather have an Accord?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 08:09:14 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
Yes, we know it's fast. And it can make noises. But it's fugly. And I have to assume the brakes, steering and shift logic are as infuriating as ever. Anyway, wouldn't you rather have an Accord?
Naw I did the Accord thing already. Had friends with V6 Accords and TLs. Did the VQ thing too obviously. Have to cross the final frontier of decent Japanese V6s
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 13, 2016, 08:09:58 PM
Post by: 2o6 on October 13, 2016, 08:09:58 PM
Impala 3.6
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 08:50:01 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 08:09:14 PM
Naw I did the Accord thing already. Had friends with V6 Accords and TLs. Did the VQ thing too obviously. Have to cross the final frontier of decent Japanese V6s
This is the worst logic to force yourself to buy a pointless car. It sounds like something I would do, except I would never spend so much money to do itm
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 13, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
Post by: Raza on October 13, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M775ieGVYik/UJC6l82Fi0I/AAAAAAAAAUA/iAwicwPdl5E/s1600/Why_so_serious__by_inge80.jpg)
You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:
1. I enjoy cars plenty--there just aren't many cars that are enjoyable.
2. I take everything seriously.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 09:34:30 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 09:34:30 PM
Quote from: Raza on October 13, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
1. I enjoy cars plenty--there just aren't many cars that are enjoyable.
2. I take everything seriously.
1. Thruxton
2. I like turtles
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?8243993-A-car-guy-s-take-on-the-Camry
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 13, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 13, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
11 Pages and we're at a Modded Camry? You guys are getting old.........
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?8243993-A-car-guy-s-take-on-the-Camry
I understand, but disagree with the premise.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on October 13, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on October 13, 2016, 10:29:59 PM
What about a ~2012 MDX with SHAWD
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
For $20k I'll sell you the El Camino. 5.7L V8, 400 HP, coilovers, drilled and slotted rotors, subwoofer, and a big bed for shaggin. What more could a man want?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 11:09:23 PM
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
For $20k I'll sell you the El Camino. 5.7L V8, 400 HP, coilovers, drilled and slotted rotors, subwoofer, and a big bed for shaggin. What more could a man want?
A cap
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:41:35 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:41:35 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2016, 10:44:07 PMAirbags, a back seat for my future children, and fuel economy in the double digits
For $20k I'll sell you the El Camino. 5.7L V8, 400 HP, coilovers, drilled and slotted rotors, subwoofer, and a big bed for shaggin. What more could a man want?
Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:42:58 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:42:58 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?8243993-A-car-guy-s-take-on-the-Camry
QuotePeople love to hate on it because they think doing so is edgy or cool and makes them the next Jeremy Clarkson (I mean its one thing to hate on a Camry because it isn't a sports car, but it is kind of funny to see people hate on the Camry when they drive a Hyundai Camry or Honda Camry or Volkswagen Camry).
The current Camry is a great car for general use. And if you drive a current SE you'd be surprised. It has a totally different feel from the LE and handles excellent, about as good as any FWD family sedan I've driven. The handling is on par with a smaller car. In fact I'd even almost go as far to say that it is TOO sporty, because the ride is actually pretty rough for that type of car, due to the suspension changes.
I also think the current refresh is a great looking car too. It isn't fat and bloated like they were 10 years ago, and they got rid of all the plastic cladding that were on the earlier SEs.
:hammerhead:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 14, 2016, 04:47:13 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 14, 2016, 04:47:13 AM
How could you not want a CTS-V, first generation? :hammerhead:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 05:48:16 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 05:48:16 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 14, 2016, 04:47:13 AMBuddy of mine has one. They mostly fit the bill, but the consumables are crazy. Soooo expensive to maintain
How could you not want a CTS-V, first generation? :hammerhead:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 14, 2016, 05:51:57 AM
Post by: 68_427 on October 14, 2016, 05:51:57 AM
http://www.trdusa.com/superchargers.html
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 14, 2016, 06:19:37 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 14, 2016, 06:19:37 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 05:48:16 AM
Buddy of mine has one. They mostly fit the bill, but the consumables are crazy. Soooo expensive to maintain
Don't be silly. Besides, you can figure out most of it yourself.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2016, 06:28:54 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2016, 06:28:54 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:41:35 AM
Airbags, a back seat for my future children, and fuel economy in the double digits
Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out :lol:
I can bolt some child seats in the bed. Fuel economy is 15! And airbags, uhh, I can probably find some leftover Takata ones to throw in. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 07:21:23 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 07:21:23 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on October 14, 2016, 05:51:57 AM
http://www.trdusa.com/superchargers.html
Here's what fits the Camry
http://www.trdusa.com/parts-results.html?years=2013&models=Camry&categories=all&subcategories=all
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Madman on October 14, 2016, 07:27:32 AM
Post by: Madman on October 14, 2016, 07:27:32 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:41:35 AM
Airbags, a back seat for my future children, and fuel economy in the double digits
Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out :lol:
Okay, I'm really going to have to confiscate that gearhead card now! :nono:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 08:39:50 AM
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 08:39:50 AM
Morris Ital
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 08:42:02 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: Madman on October 14, 2016, 07:27:32 AMYou can have it. Gearheads/enthusiasts are uptight as fuck
Okay, I'm really going to have to confiscate that gearhead card now! :nono:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 08:45:19 AM
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 08:45:19 AM
Oh come on, these cars aren't very interesting and there's a lot out there that do all the things you want and are better to drive.
I told you, I drove a V6 camry for a solid day
- the throttle mapping and tuning make it feel significantly less sporty and fast than you keep asserting
- the steering is vague
- it's not even as comfortable as a compact CUV
I told you, I drove a V6 camry for a solid day
- the throttle mapping and tuning make it feel significantly less sporty and fast than you keep asserting
- the steering is vague
- it's not even as comfortable as a compact CUV
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:06:53 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:06:53 AM
Was it an SE? SE actually has a lot of differences from the others. I've heard they add more welds to the chassis... suspension geometry is different too. It's basically a Camry Type-R
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
From that generation (2007-2010) I think the SE was just an appearance package.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:23:58 AM
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:23:58 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:06:53 AM
Was it an SE? SE actually has a lot of differences from the others. I've heard they add more welds to the chassis... suspension geometry is different too. It's basically a Camry Type-R
06 or 07 through 11 SEs got extra chassis bracing. 12+ SEs only got stiffer springs and dampers (possibly bushings and sway bars).
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:35:49 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:35:49 AM
They probably applied the chassis rigidity stuff from the 07-11 SE's motorsport successes to all the 12+ Camrys
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:36:32 AM
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:23:58 AM
06 or 07 through 11 SEs got extra chassis bracing. 12+ SEs only got stiffer springs and dampers (possibly bushings and sway bars).
And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:36:32 AM
And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test)
The 2012 refresh didn't add any more sportiness, and the EPAS removed whatever feel the older SE's steering had gained.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/toyota-camry-se-v6-road-test-review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/toyota-camry-se-v6-road-test-review)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 10:36:32 AMAfter driving the Mazda 3 I take C&D's exaltations and damnations of mainstreamers with a big grain of salt.
And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test)
Here is a much more positive review from someone who knows what they're talking about in about the most sporting context for a road test possible:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/review-toyota-camry-se-2-5l-track-tested/
"Admittedly, I'm an old hand at tossing a crappy sedan around racetracks but on the wet skidpad the Camry showed the whole paddock the sterling qualities of its chassis. It was possible to distinctly and accurately feel the "bite point" where the front wheels found their maximum traction through the water, at which point a quick lift of the throttle would put the big sedan lazily sideways for a full half-circle of the skidpad. Camry drifting! I can't criticize the steering of any car where that's possible. Period, point blank. This car steers very well."
Granted this is the 4 and not the 6 but :huh:
Camry is just an easy target for self-identifying "car enthusiasts"
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 11:21:02 AM
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 11:21:02 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
After driving the Mazda 3 I take C&D's exaltations and damnations of mainstreamers with a big grain of salt.
Here is a much more positive review from someone who knows what they're talking about in about the most sporting context for a road test possible:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/review-toyota-camry-se-2-5l-track-tested/
"Admittedly, I'm an old hand at tossing a crappy sedan around racetracks but on the wet skidpad the Camry showed the whole paddock the sterling qualities of its chassis. It was possible to distinctly and accurately feel the "bite point" where the front wheels found their maximum traction through the water, at which point a quick lift of the throttle would put the big sedan lazily sideways for a full half-circle of the skidpad. Camry drifting! I can't criticize the steering of any car where that's possible. Period, point blank. This car steers very well."
Granted this is the 4 and not the 6 but :huh:
Camry is just an easy target for self-identifying "car enthusiasts"
Let's apply a little logic. C&D praised the sporting character and steering feel of the Mazda3. You drove one and found it lackluster and unsatisfactory. They denounce the sporting character of a Camry, and you think it will be good? If their idea of praiseworthy sporting character is below your standards, imagine how bad their idea of un-sporty is...
Also, having numb steering doesn't mean you can't sense when the front end is about to let go. Accurate steering and tactile steering are two distinct things. I have hundreds of auto-x runs in a car that had little to no steering feel. That doesn't mean I had no sense of what was happening at the tires. I just couldn't count on the steering wheel to tell me much of anything.
Also, being able to chuck a car sideways on a wet skid pad doesn't mean it's good to drive otherwise. See: Ford Crown Victoria. The Camry has intrusive and non-defeatable stability control. On a wet skidpad, limits are low enough that you can coax most any car, even with intrusive nannies, into a slide. You can coax a school bus into a drift in those conditions.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 11:38:53 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 11:21:02 AMI don't think C&D's sportiness standards are ridiculously high; I just think their driving impressions are a bit hyperbolic and inconsistent. The Mazda3 and Golf drive exactly the same, yet they call one the dynamic dynamo of its segment while they call the other "competent". Add the fact that the Camry is the autojourno + internet contrarian's favorite whipping boy and I'd say it's hard to get an honest appraisal of one from either source. People dump on it to prove how "into cars" they are.
Let's apply a little logic. C&D praised the sporting character and steering feel of the Mazda3. You drove one and found it lackluster and unsatisfactory. They denounce the sporting character of a Camry, and you think it will be good? If their idea of praiseworthy sporting character is below your standards, imagine how bad their idea of un-sporty is...
Also, having numb steering doesn't mean you can't sense when the front end is about to let go. Accurate steering and tactile steering are two distinct things. I have hundreds of auto-x runs in a car that had little to no steering feel. That doesn't mean I had no sense of what was happening at the tires. I just couldn't count on the steering wheel to tell me much of anything.
Also, being able to chuck a car sideways on a wet skid pad doesn't mean it's good to drive otherwise. See: Ford Crown Victoria. The Camry has intrusive and non-defeatable stability control. On a wet skidpad, limits are low enough that you can coax most any car, even with intrusive nannies, into a slide. You can coax a school bus into a drift in those conditions.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 14, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
Post by: Raza on October 14, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
Lawl, so much rationalizing. It's basically a Camry Type R, I still have a motorcycle (even though it's Japanese; I may not know much about bikes, but I know cool, and Japanese bikes are nerdy and tryhard-y ;) :devil: ).
Just get the New Camry, aka AWD Infiniti G and you won't be so stressed to justify it. I know, you've already had a VQ, but not having owned a car yet isn't a good reason to own one. You've never had a Dodge Caliber either.
Just get the New Camry, aka AWD Infiniti G and you won't be so stressed to justify it. I know, you've already had a VQ, but not having owned a car yet isn't a good reason to own one. You've never had a Dodge Caliber either.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 11:59:46 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 11:59:46 AM
Stressed to justify :lol: When have I ever sought you guys approval on anything? This is a fun argument for me
Try hard :lol: You don't want to go there :nono:
I'm gonna get whatever makes the most sense for me to get... if that winds up being a Camry, so be it
Try hard :lol: You don't want to go there :nono:
I'm gonna get whatever makes the most sense for me to get... if that winds up being a Camry, so be it
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 12:11:33 PM
Post by: MX793 on October 14, 2016, 12:11:33 PM
I don't see the Camry as any more a whipping boy than any other midsize appliance without sporting intentions. There's nothing wrong with a car not being sharp, engaging, or sporty. Lots of people just want something safe, comfortable, quiet, and reliable to convey them from A to B. That is who cars like the Camry, Taurus, Malibu, and practically anything with a Buick badge caters to, and it's a huge portion of the market. There's nothing wrong with that. But let's call a spade a spade, here. The Camry is not a sporty car built to satisfy enthusiasts' desires for an engaging drive. It's a safe, quiet, comfortable, and reliable appliance made to get you from here to there without drama or raising your pulse.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 12:14:02 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 12:14:02 PM
I was joking with the Camry Type-R stuff. I know it's not that sporty, and I don't think putting coilovers on one will make it so. Looking for something comfy, cheap to run and fast, that's all. This definitely checks those boxes
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
Post by: 2o6 on October 14, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
Big engined CUV
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
Wifey will get the CUV, CUV makes no sense for me.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 14, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 14, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
I knew this thread was gonna be good!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on October 14, 2016, 12:49:04 PMMe too :popcorn:
I knew this thread was gonna be good!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 14, 2016, 01:31:11 PM
Post by: Raza on October 14, 2016, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 11:59:46 AM
Stressed to justify :lol: When have I ever sought you guys approval on anything? This is a fun argument for me
Try hard :lol: You don't want to go there :nono:
I'm gonna get whatever makes the most sense for me to get... if that winds up being a Camry, so be it
For someone who isn't looking for approval, you sure seem to be asking for it a lot. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on October 14, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Post by: 68_427 on October 14, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 07:21:23 AM
Here's what fits the Camry
http://www.trdusa.com/parts-results.html?years=2013&models=Camry&categories=all&subcategories=all
used one
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2016, 09:35:34 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2016, 09:35:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KtZfRzI.png)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on October 15, 2016, 12:48:43 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on October 15, 2016, 12:48:43 PM
Those turbos look like they're for decoration purposes only. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on October 16, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Post by: r0tor on October 16, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
WTF is going on in here :popcorn:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 16, 2016, 07:43:39 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 16, 2016, 07:43:39 PM
I like to run air filters on my cars. Although, I drove the Element without an air filter for several thousand miles.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 16, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
Post by: MX793 on October 16, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
Hondas don't need air filters. They're just there to restrict the intake to take some of the edge off when VTEC kicks in else it causes occupants to get whiplash.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 16, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 16, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 16, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
Hondas don't need air filters. They're just there to restrict the intake to take some of the edge off when VTEC kicks in else it causes occupants to get whiplash.
True. Also, the VTEC filter will clog up much faster without an air filter in place. Ask me how I know.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 06:52:40 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 06:52:40 AM
I can't do 3rd gear VTEC pulls when I'm on creatine. Overloads my CNS
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
So a dealer down the street from my job has a ~12-14 SE V6.... went for a test drive today on my lunch break. I took it on a familiar loop of highway, backroads and surface streets. Took about 20 minutes.
Interior was pretty nice, though not a ton bigger than the Civic, which kind of surprised me. I was a little disappointed with it in that regard. Materials and layout were nice and the center console was nowhere near as Fisher-Price "My First Infotainment System" as the pictures looked. Visibility out was great from all angles too.
As far as how it drove.......... it was not bad. Best way to put it was "easy". For example the manual mode of the transmission was not super responsive, as expected. No worries... in "S" mode just giving it enough gas made enough haste. Found myself having to back off at highway speeds which was encouraging. On the back roads it actually held its own. Obviously doesn't have the tactility or nimbleness of the Civic, and it actually was a little choppy over bumps.... but low speed damping was solid and body roll was kept in check. Crucially it could cover ground at 5-6/10ths effort at the same pace as the Civic at like 8/10ths. Only real downer was road/wind noise were not exactly where I wanted them to be. I guess I'd have to drive it back to back with the Civic but it was still a bit loud.... louder than my wife's Rabbit from what I can remember.
I would say it's not off the list, but it's not quite at the top either. I definitely want to check out the G37 and maybe an E60 535i if I can find one. Damn shame the last GSs are so G-D ugly, those would be perfect.
Interior was pretty nice, though not a ton bigger than the Civic, which kind of surprised me. I was a little disappointed with it in that regard. Materials and layout were nice and the center console was nowhere near as Fisher-Price "My First Infotainment System" as the pictures looked. Visibility out was great from all angles too.
As far as how it drove.......... it was not bad. Best way to put it was "easy". For example the manual mode of the transmission was not super responsive, as expected. No worries... in "S" mode just giving it enough gas made enough haste. Found myself having to back off at highway speeds which was encouraging. On the back roads it actually held its own. Obviously doesn't have the tactility or nimbleness of the Civic, and it actually was a little choppy over bumps.... but low speed damping was solid and body roll was kept in check. Crucially it could cover ground at 5-6/10ths effort at the same pace as the Civic at like 8/10ths. Only real downer was road/wind noise were not exactly where I wanted them to be. I guess I'd have to drive it back to back with the Civic but it was still a bit loud.... louder than my wife's Rabbit from what I can remember.
I would say it's not off the list, but it's not quite at the top either. I definitely want to check out the G37 and maybe an E60 535i if I can find one. Damn shame the last GSs are so G-D ugly, those would be perfect.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 11:19:50 AM
IMO the third gen GS (06-11) is a very handsome car, and the fourth gen pre facelift (12-15) looks pretty nice as well. You can get a '10-'11 GS350 or maybe even an earlier GS430 for $20k easy.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Don't buy all your ricer mods and spend the money on a better car and get this:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45342&endYear=2017&driveGroup=RWD&modelCode1=GS_MODELS&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=69568033&makeCode1=LEXUS&startYear=2012&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=200&showcaseListingId=0&mmt=%5BLEXUS%5B%5D%5BGS_MODELS%5B%5D%5D%5D&listingId=429963895&Log=0
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45342&endYear=2017&driveGroup=RWD&modelCode1=GS_MODELS&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=69568033&makeCode1=LEXUS&startYear=2012&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=200&showcaseListingId=0&mmt=%5BLEXUS%5B%5D%5BGS_MODELS%5B%5D%5D%5D&listingId=429963895&Log=0
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 11:34:38 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 11:34:38 AM
New GS is getting within shooting range as are F30 335is.... we will see where we are next year when it's time to purchase
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
C'mon son
(http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/gs-third-generation/183274d1282316167-official-3rd-gen-gs-modification-thread-gs-3.jpg)
(http://autotk.com/photos/project/3247/15440/origin.jpg)
(http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/images/kumakubo-lexusGS.jpg)
(http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/gs-third-generation/183274d1282316167-official-3rd-gen-gs-modification-thread-gs-3.jpg)
(http://autotk.com/photos/project/3247/15440/origin.jpg)
(http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/images/kumakubo-lexusGS.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
Too much jelly bean
Also
(http://static.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/images/Auto/izmo/329589/2011_lexus_gs_350_dashboard.jpg)
vs
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/2013-lexus-GS-350-front-interior-view.jpg)
New GS is worth the premium for the interior alone
There's no fixing that old interior
Also
(http://static.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/images/Auto/izmo/329589/2011_lexus_gs_350_dashboard.jpg)
vs
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/2013-lexus-GS-350-front-interior-view.jpg)
New GS is worth the premium for the interior alone
There's no fixing that old interior
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
I mean, I agree the new one is vastly better but you chose the most bargain basement, boring interior for the third gen GS. :lol:
(http://images.newcars.com/images/car-pictures/original/2011-Lexus-GS-460-Sedan-Base-4dr-Rear-wheel-Drive-Sedan-Interior-Front-Seats.png)
Not so bad, IMO.
(http://images.newcars.com/images/car-pictures/original/2011-Lexus-GS-460-Sedan-Base-4dr-Rear-wheel-Drive-Sedan-Interior-Front-Seats.png)
Not so bad, IMO.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
Then you buy one :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
Then you buy one :lol:
Yeah, but I don't want an automatic snooze-mobile. :devil:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 17, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Post by: Raza on October 17, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2016, 11:29:43 AM
Don't buy all your ricer mods and spend the money on a better car and get this:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45342&endYear=2017&driveGroup=RWD&modelCode1=GS_MODELS&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=69568033&makeCode1=LEXUS&startYear=2012&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=200&showcaseListingId=0&mmt=%5BLEXUS%5B%5D%5BGS_MODELS%5B%5D%5D%5D&listingId=429963895&Log=0
Fast, luxurious, comfortable, Japanese. Ticks all the boxes for him.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 17, 2016, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: Raza on October 17, 2016, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Yeah, but I don't want an automatic snooze-mobile. :devil:
My mom used to have a GS. 300, I think. First gen. I liked it a lot, but I was a small child.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2016, 12:30:31 PM
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2016, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
Too much jelly bean
Also
(http://static.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/images/Auto/izmo/329589/2011_lexus_gs_350_dashboard.jpg)
vs
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/2013-lexus-GS-350-front-interior-view.jpg)
New GS is worth the premium for the interior alone
There's no fixing that old interior
Yeah, that old interior is rough.
That whole generation of Lexus interiors are bad. I'm just reminded of my idiot coworker from back when I worked in car interiors. We were both in the same group, fresh out of college, making under $60k a year. She had student loans out the wazoo, two mortgages (she was trying to rent one of them, to her ex none the less :facepalm:), and was only 23. She bought a used IS250 AWD in white for like $30k, on a 72 month loan and thought she was sooooo cool :facepalm:
Now that whole generation of Lexus interiors just reminds me of financial suicide :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Raza on October 17, 2016, 12:28:15 PMOne of my best childhood friends' first car was a ~2000 GS300. He got his money's worth out of that car. Honestly I would rather a GS4xx from that era than the one Cookie posted. Major downgrade in and out in my opinion. Plus I can put a new head unit in the old one. Middle one not so much. Dat gas mileage tho.
My mom used to have a GS. 300, I think. First gen. I liked it a lot, but I was a small child.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on October 17, 2016, 05:46:33 PM
Post by: r0tor on October 17, 2016, 05:46:33 PM
We all know he is doing the typical smoke and mirrors and will wind up with - surprise, an Acura
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 17, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
Post by: 2o6 on October 17, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 17, 2016, 05:46:33 PM
We all know he is doing the typical smoke and mirrors and will wind up with - surprise, an Acura
I'd be ok with an Acura over a Camry
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on October 17, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
I'd be ok with an Acura over a Camry
Why do you really care either way?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 17, 2016, 06:09:20 PMThis is the real question
Why do you really care either way?
I will take donations lol.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 18, 2016, 07:13:40 AM
Post by: Raza on October 18, 2016, 07:13:40 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 17, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
This is the real question
I will take donations lol.
Because we want you to be happy. And no one who owns a Camry is happy.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 18, 2016, 07:51:52 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 18, 2016, 07:51:52 AM
Only people unhappier than Camry drivers... are those unhappy that people drive Camrys
Like.... someone has gotta be pretty unhappy period for other people's car choices to weigh on them to any meaningful degree. There is a lot of joy from other things. Like bikes :lol:
Like.... someone has gotta be pretty unhappy period for other people's car choices to weigh on them to any meaningful degree. There is a lot of joy from other things. Like bikes :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on October 18, 2016, 08:16:38 AM
Post by: Raza on October 18, 2016, 08:16:38 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 18, 2016, 07:51:52 AM
Only people unhappier than Camry drivers... are those unhappy that people drive Camrys
Like.... someone has gotta be pretty unhappy period for other people's car choices to weigh on them to any meaningful degree. There is a lot of joy from other things. Like bikes :lol:
Hey man, we just want what's best for you. That doesn't make us unhappy because of your bad choices. Just......disappointed.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on October 18, 2016, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: Char on October 18, 2016, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: Raza on October 18, 2016, 08:16:38 AM
Hey man, we just want what's best for you. That doesn't make us unhappy because of your bad choices. Just......disappointed.
Extremely.
(I voted N55 335i or G37)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on October 21, 2016, 10:46:27 PM
Post by: GoCougs on October 21, 2016, 10:46:27 PM
Well, this all went about as expected.
Camcord V6 is a fine choice. With virtually 100% reliability (both here and IRL) those that have such vitriol against them not incuriously also own an "enthusiast" car that would get beat badly by such a beast, at least in a straight line.
The best choice here is of course a slightly used G37/Q40. So not only is it the last great Japanese car, it's tops in the class for driving experience + performance + reliability + value. Nothing comes close really. There is virtually unlimited supply in the $20k range with well less than 40k miles.
Camcord V6 is a fine choice. With virtually 100% reliability (both here and IRL) those that have such vitriol against them not incuriously also own an "enthusiast" car that would get beat badly by such a beast, at least in a straight line.
The best choice here is of course a slightly used G37/Q40. So not only is it the last great Japanese car, it's tops in the class for driving experience + performance + reliability + value. Nothing comes close really. There is virtually unlimited supply in the $20k range with well less than 40k miles.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 22, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Post by: 2o6 on October 22, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Idk man, I like my steering to have some sort of heft or feel. The Camry is lacking, and I have never understood the fuss about the G cars. (I also don't like the VQ)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 22, 2016, 10:19:33 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 22, 2016, 10:19:33 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on October 17, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
I'd be ok with an Acura over a Camry
At least Acura pays some attention to the driver. Also, certainly a superior mechanical design, and IMO better asthetic design.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2016, 11:42:18 AM
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2016, 11:42:18 AM
Wow. These have really depreciated.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5829576435.html
That's a great deal
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5829576435.html
That's a great deal
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2016, 12:41:52 PM
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2016, 12:41:52 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on October 22, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Idk man, I like my steering to have some sort of heft or feel. The Camry is lacking, and I have never understood the fuss about the G cars. (I also don't like the VQ)
I'm not a fan of the G coupe but the G sedan is the best of poser bunch, esp. once reliability/durability is factored in.
The VQ is a gruff old lump but it fits the G37's raw character perfectly. Plus it's got lots of power, and is as reliable as a hammer.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
Post by: GoCougs on October 22, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 22, 2016, 11:42:18 AM
Wow. These have really depreciated.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5829576435.html
That's a great deal
Says rebuilt title but still, picking that up for say $9,000 or so, it would be worth it at that point, if the repairs were done well.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2016, 01:15:26 PM
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2016, 01:15:26 PM
Ah I missed that.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 22, 2016, 11:42:18 AMSomething is wrong. That's a 15-20k car down here. Dishonorable title?
Wow. These have really depreciated.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5829576435.html
That's a great deal
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2016, 04:02:25 PM
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2016, 04:02:25 PM
Rebuilt title
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2016, 05:14:44 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2016, 05:14:44 PM
Could be some body damage, could be a flood car :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 22, 2016, 05:14:44 PM
Could be some body damage, could be a flood car :lol:
Takes a lot of body damage to result in a salvage title. Most likely a flood car. Maybe fire/smoke damage.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on October 22, 2016, 06:10:01 PM
Post by: 2o6 on October 22, 2016, 06:10:01 PM
There's a guy in that area that sells late model rebuilt title cars.
Don't touch it
Don't touch it
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 08:45:45 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 08:45:45 AM
MK7 GTI or G37? Basically is RWD + V6 sound worth $700-1000/year?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on December 02, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Post by: MrH on December 02, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 08:45:45 AM
MK7 GTI or G37? Basically is RWD + V6 sound worth $700-1000/year?
I'd probably go GTI honestly.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 09:02:19 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 09:02:19 AM
I could put that gas money to a new bike too :hmm:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on December 02, 2016, 09:10:29 AM
Post by: MrH on December 02, 2016, 09:10:29 AM
Gas money? It's only going to be a few hundred bucks a year.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Why TF does everyone like the G37? Every time I drive or get inside one, I'm immediately reminded how inferior it is to practically anything else, especially the F30 and A4.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Post by: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
G37 > GTI, esp. if MT vs. MT. If an AT G37, my enthusiasm is dampened a bit, and one MUST get the most recent AT ecu flash, but I'd still go that way. The GTI is the best car Germany makes, but its roots are still a FWD economy car. Odds are hugely in favor of the G37 being less costly to repair for the long haul, which will more than offset the add'l gas $.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 09:55:19 AM
Post by: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Why TF does everyone like the G37? Every time I drive or get inside one, I'm immediately reminded how inferior it is to practically anything else, especially the F30 and A4.
The G37 looks better, is more interesting to drive, is much more reliable, has a honking N/A V6, and is generally cheaper.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on December 02, 2016, 10:01:58 AM
Post by: MX793 on December 02, 2016, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Why TF does everyone like the G37? Every time I drive or get inside one, I'm immediately reminded how inferior it is to practically anything else, especially the F30 and A4.
Considering that the V36 G is 5 years older (an entire automotive generation) than the F30, I would certainly hope that the latter is better.
And I would wager the Infiniti is going to be cheaper to own than a BMW.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 10:24:24 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: MrH on December 02, 2016, 09:10:29 AMCould be over a thousand with my commute at current prices, will def be over a thousand if gas prices go up.
Gas money? It's only going to be a few hundred bucks a year.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 09:51:26 AMI'm not a long haul kind of guy, I don't think. At the minimum, I haven't found a car I could see myself in for like a decade, though ironically I think the G37 comes closest. If I had got one instead of the Z I'd probably still be in it.
G37 > GTI, esp. if MT vs. MT. If an AT G37, my enthusiasm is dampened a bit, and one MUST get the most recent AT ecu flash, but I'd still go that way. The GTI is the best car Germany makes, but its roots are still a FWD economy car. Odds are hugely in favor of the G37 being less costly to repair for the long haul, which will more than offset the add'l gas $.
Component by component it's tough. Engine wise the G sounds way better, which matters to me... and in stickshift is an easy second faster to 60 & 1/4. But that comes at a steep price.... almost $1K more in annual fuel costs if not more. Worth it? IDK. I'd have to add depreciation into the mix. Chassis wise, also a wash IMO... FM platform is awesome, RWD is fun, but at the end of the day the G is 600-700lb heavier and almost 2 ft longer than the GTI, on essentially the same tires (in width and type). There's something to be said for size in the context of dynamic balance. Speaking of size, width aside the cars are just as roomy as each other and the GTI has a much better trunk situation. Will be easier to park when we go to the city, or to Lowes, or the local dump etc.... I do feel like the GTI will be a much nicer car to live with.
Only real dark horses are reliability and resale.... but for 3 yrs, who cares? Plus the GTI will be under factory warranty while the G won't.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 10:53:27 AM
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 10:53:27 AM
get the GTI
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 11:45:16 AM
Post by: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 11:45:16 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Why TF does everyone like the G37? Every time I drive or get inside one, I'm immediately reminded how inferior it is to practically anything else, especially the F30 and A4.
I like the looks and steering of the G37 better. I don't really care for the syrupy helm of German cars - it feels great at speed, but it's just dour around town. G37 is definitely inferior in terms of interior fit and finish. More rattle prone, that's for sure.
VQ sounds amazing at >5K RPM, but the BMW I6 is sooooooooooo much better with NVH.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on December 02, 2016, 12:00:13 PM
Post by: Raza on December 02, 2016, 12:00:13 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Why TF does everyone like the G37? Every time I drive or get inside one, I'm immediately reminded how inferior it is to practically anything else, especially the F30 and A4.
The G37 is a great car on paper. It ends there, really.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
Post by: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
G37 coupe is much better looking than the 3- and 5-series.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 12:10:09 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: Raza on December 02, 2016, 12:00:13 PMI know you're gonna bring up the Z, but this is just not true. At the minimum it's no worse than anything in its class, especially when you factor in the engine and transmission options
The G37 is a great car on paper. It ends there, really.
Though to be fair if the G37 6MT is like the one in the Z I might go auto. Upgraded valve body + TCU flash are easier fixes than whatever it would take to cure that long + heavy clutch and heavy + notchy shifter
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
Post by: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
Uh nope you don't want that 7AT.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
G37 coupe is much better looking than the 3- and 5-series.
NO
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 11:45:16 AM
I like the looks and steering of the G37 better. I don't really care for the syrupy helm of German cars - it feels great at speed, but it's just dour around town. G37 is definitely inferior in terms of interior fit and finish. More rattle prone, that's for sure.
VQ sounds amazing at >5K RPM, but the BMW I6 is sooooooooooo much better with NVH.
I've always thought the VQ is a lazy, dron-y motor.
(For the record, I'm a big fan of the late-torque-making GM 3.6L SIDI)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
Quote from: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
G37 coupe is much better looking than the 3- and 5-series.
Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
NO
:lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
I've always thought the VQ is a lazy, dron-y motor.
(For the record, I'm a big fan of the late-torque-making GM 3.6L SIDI)
We know about you and GM though. You should preface your posts about GM with (Sponsored Content) :lol:
LFX is a great engine though. Better than the VQ in a lot of important metrics.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:38:25 PM
Post by: 2o6 on December 02, 2016, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
:lol:
We know about you and GM though. You should preface your posts about GM with (Sponsored Content) :lol:
LFX is a great engine though. Better than the VQ in a lot of important metrics.
it's a good motor until it stretches a timing chain
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 11:26:12 PM
Post by: GoCougs on December 02, 2016, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
G37 coupe is much better looking than the 3- and 5-series.
Totally. I actually prefer the looks of the G37 sedan to the coupe. More curves, sits back on its haunches.
Quote from: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
Uh nope you don't want that 7AT.
Word. It's not great. I'd totally take the 6MT.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on December 03, 2016, 08:46:07 AM
Post by: Raza on December 03, 2016, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: Laconian on December 02, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
G37 coupe is much better looking than the 3- and 5-series.
Is that one of those things that if you keep saying it, you start believing it?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 03, 2016, 11:59:11 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 03, 2016, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: Raza on December 03, 2016, 08:46:07 AMI was going to ask the same of you calling the G/Z bad cars. Compared to what, an Audi TT? :lol:
Is that one of those things that if you keep saying it, you start believing it?
I think the cars are different enough that it's almost hard to compare them at all. But the G is a good car. I can think of a lot of worse cars in its class.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on December 03, 2016, 12:39:28 PM
Post by: Raza on December 03, 2016, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 03, 2016, 11:59:11 AM
I was going to ask the same of you calling the G/Z bad cars. Compared to what, an Audi TT? :lol:
I think the cars are different enough that it's almost hard to compare them at all. But the G is a good car. I can think of a lot of worse cars in its class.
Yeah, the G is a fine enough car, I suppose. The adulation heaped on to it on this forum doesn't quite match up to its merits, though. Let's not forget that it's mostly a spec sheet. It's heavy, devoid of feel, and (the manual Z, especially) have horrible controls. Unless the 3 series has gotten a lot worse since I've driven one (which is possible), it's not a competitor once the numbers fall away and the real world feel of the cars are compared.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 03, 2016, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 03, 2016, 04:27:39 PM
Ehhh. I've driven Gs and 3s (and Zs obviously).... G/Z def take lumps for that manual transmission and I'm definitely gonna try both transmissions. That will probably be what kills it. But the 3 is not jizzworthy. BMW shifters are a little sloppy, and I prefer the VQ37 to the N5x.... N5x has some torque, but it's choked up top, and the ones I drove did not feel super strong (it was summer time though). At the minimum I'd have to change the suspension and exhaust on both, so either way there's room for improvement. Plus what the 3 gives in feel it takes back in reliability
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 03, 2017, 12:45:06 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 03, 2017, 12:45:06 PM
:mask:
Highlander calipers/rotors are a direct swap... bout $500 for parts
:mask: :mask:
Highlander/Sienna/Venza transmissions are a direct swap.... shorter final drives
:mask: :mask: :mask:
Cams for the Evora are $1K.... Quaife LSD for the 6AT is $1300 (stock FD though I think).... Function Auto 500 coils are $1200
I think coilovers + brakes + intake/exhaust will be enough to hold me down for 2-3 years..... but its nice to know how deep the rabbit hole goes....................................................
I'm gonna go look at some 10-11 Camry V6s this weekend
Highlander calipers/rotors are a direct swap... bout $500 for parts
:mask: :mask:
Highlander/Sienna/Venza transmissions are a direct swap.... shorter final drives
:mask: :mask: :mask:
Cams for the Evora are $1K.... Quaife LSD for the 6AT is $1300 (stock FD though I think).... Function Auto 500 coils are $1200
I think coilovers + brakes + intake/exhaust will be enough to hold me down for 2-3 years..... but its nice to know how deep the rabbit hole goes....................................................
I'm gonna go look at some 10-11 Camry V6s this weekend
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 03, 2017, 12:55:34 PM
Post by: MrH on January 03, 2017, 12:55:34 PM
:wtf: Godspeed
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 03, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Wat is going on in here
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on January 03, 2017, 02:02:38 PM
Post by: Rich on January 03, 2017, 02:02:38 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9l6QG-hSoPA/S8uMiNVM0kI/AAAAAAAABIY/Q3TuGhEC0Lg/s1600/20100418+01.jpg)
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/freedhearts/files/2014/04/flat-earth-society1.jpg?w=276)
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/freedhearts/files/2014/04/flat-earth-society1.jpg?w=276)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 02:44:04 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 02:44:04 PM
Are those Spanish ships? Does that mean you got a Fiesta ST?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on January 03, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
Post by: r0tor on January 03, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
So a boring ass car upgraded with SUV brakes, minivan drivetrain, and unreliable British engine components... Wow
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
The performance numbers may be good, but then there is the rest of it. I would rather have a Versa.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
Post by: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
The performance numbers may be good, but then there is the rest of it. I would rather have a Versa.
VERSA is actually an acronym. The full name is Very Exceptional Racing Sports Automobile.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 03, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: MX793 on January 03, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
VERSA is actually an acronym. The full name is Very Exceptional Racing Sports Automobile.
Makes sense to me. :cheers:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 03, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
Post by: 68_427 on January 03, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 03, 2017, 12:45:06 PM
:mask:
Highlander calipers/rotors are a direct swap... bout $500 for parts
:mask: :mask:
Highlander/Sienna/Venza transmissions are a direct swap.... shorter final drives
:mask: :mask: :mask:
Cams for the Evora are $1K.... Quaife LSD for the 6AT is $1300 (stock FD though I think).... Function Auto 500 coils are $1200
I think coilovers + brakes + intake/exhaust will be enough to hold me down for 2-3 years..... but its nice to know how deep the rabbit hole goes....................................................
I'm gonna go look at some 10-11 Camry V6s this weekend
But the Evora only made 10hp more. Why swap cams?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 05:33:51 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 05:33:51 AM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 03, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
But the Evora only made 10hp more. Why swap cams?
They make aftermarket cams for it
That's overkill though. An intake + exhaust will make it a 14 second car with a good engine sound. All I need
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on January 04, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: GoCougs on January 04, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: r0tor on January 03, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
So a boring ass car upgraded with SUV brakes, minivan drivetrain, and unreliable British engine components... Wow
More expensive, less reliable, and less performance than an equivalent year G37 or TL...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 04, 2017, 10:31:40 AMA Camry V6 is like 1/2-2/3 the price of a same year G/TL.... also lol @ a G/TL being more reliable, even factoring fail-proof parts like shocks and metal pipes.
More expensive, less reliable, and less performance than an equivalent year G37 or TL...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 12:48:48 PM
If you're going to buy a dumpy car for the engine, get an old SHO.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on January 04, 2017, 12:53:54 PM
Post by: GoCougs on January 04, 2017, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
A Camry V6 is like 1/2-2/3 the price of a same year G/TL.... also lol @ a G/TL being more reliable, even factoring fail-proof parts like shocks and metal pipes.
Is your Internetry ever going to get better? It's like you purposefully Do It Wrong in order to bask in the drama of it. I'm getting to the point that it literally makes me feel uneasy in my correction.
I was responding to this utterly ridiculous notion of swapping SUV/minivan brakes and transaxle into a Camry V6. The equivalent year G or TL will be less expensive, more reliable and better performing.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 04, 2017, 12:53:54 PMTransaxle was mostly a joke to trigger (which worked ;) ). Brakes are fine, I've swapped them on several cars I've owned without incident. No harder than a brake flush.
Is your Internetry ever going to get better? It's like you purposefully Do It Wrong in order to bask in the drama of it. I'm getting to the point that it literally makes me feel uneasy in my correction.
I was responding to this utterly ridiculous notion of swapping SUV/minivan brakes and transaxle into a Camry V6. The equivalent year G or TL will be less expensive, more reliable and better performing.
Even with the mods I have planned the Camry will still be cheaper than a same year G easily. Nothing I have planned will affect reliability. G/TL are low 14/high 13 second cars; 6th gen Camry V6 does the quarter in 14.3@99... with intake/exhaust it would be just as fast. Don't get fresh with me because you've been too scared to turn a wrench since the 80s :evildude:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 04, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 04, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
:popcorn: :partyon:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SVT_Power on January 04, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
Post by: SVT_Power on January 04, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
All this nonsense aside, I did notice years ago that there were Camry's putting down 0-60 in the 5's. A stupidly fast family appliance.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
They are still that fast. Probably faster with good tires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOsAMUx1Kqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOsAMUx1Kqs
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 04, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
What is all this obsession over using a barely 14 second quarter mile time to justify a boring car?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 04, 2017, 04:15:02 PM
Post by: Laconian on January 04, 2017, 04:15:02 PM
It's the art of the long troll.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 08:54:52 AM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 08:54:52 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 04, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
They are still that fast. Probably faster with good tires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOsAMUx1Kqs
As a drum player and person with a generally great sense of rhythm, listening to people honk three times to start a race makes me itch. They're always like Honk...HonkHONK. Not horribly fair.
It's almost as bad as listening to a crowd trying to clap to a beat and losing it after four claps.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 05, 2017, 10:38:12 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 05, 2017, 10:38:12 AM
I have played the drums for a total of 60 seconds, but man are they fun.
But yea, most people do not have much rhythm
But yea, most people do not have much rhythm
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 08, 2017, 01:29:33 PM
Post by: Char on January 08, 2017, 01:29:33 PM
N55 E90 Sedan.
N52 if you can find a manual and want to go cheap
C class benz
N52 if you can find a manual and want to go cheap
C class benz
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
None of those can fit an infant seat behind my wife. Plus,
http://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/148337d1437692664-transmissions-interchangeable-so-you-just-bought-e60-v3.0-.pdf
Nothing bad is gonna happen if I get a Camry V6, besides me getting bored with it in about 2 yrs, which I'm already planning for.
http://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/148337d1437692664-transmissions-interchangeable-so-you-just-bought-e60-v3.0-.pdf
Nothing bad is gonna happen if I get a Camry V6, besides me getting bored with it in about 2 yrs, which I'm already planning for.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 08, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 08, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 05, 2017, 08:54:52 AM
As a drum player and person with a generally great sense of rhythm, listening to people honk three times to start a race makes me itch. They're always like Honk...HonkHONK. Not horribly fair.
It's almost as bad as listening to a crowd trying to clap to a beat and losing it after four claps.
Holy shit I know, and I can't even play the drums.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 08, 2017, 08:01:28 PM
Post by: Raza on January 08, 2017, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
None of those can fit an infant seat behind my wife. Plus,
http://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/148337d1437692664-transmissions-interchangeable-so-you-just-bought-e60-v3.0-.pdf
Nothing bad is gonna happen if I get a Camry V6, besides me getting bored with it in about 2 yrs, which I'm already planning for.
You think it'll take two years?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 08, 2017, 11:13:52 PM
Post by: Char on January 08, 2017, 11:13:52 PM
Quote from: Raza on January 08, 2017, 08:01:28 PM
You think it'll take two years?
It does when he keeps inventing new excuses for not buying the better car in the first place.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 05:35:49 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 05:35:49 AM
I don't need a German car to be an interesting person.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:18:02 AM
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:18:02 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 05:35:49 AM
I don't need a German car to be an interesting person.
No, you don't. You can even be an interesting person and own a Camry, I assume. But you can't have an interesting car to drive and have a Camry if the Camry is your only car. You'll be bored of it in six weeks, try to rationalize money-draining mods for another 12 weeks, then want out in 6 months.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 07:51:00 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 07:51:00 AM
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:18:02 AMWhat constitutes an "interesting car to drive" and why do I need one? Also, I put about 5,000 miles on my motorcycle last year... does that not count?
No, you don't. You can even be an interesting person and own a Camry, I assume. But you can't have an interesting car to drive and have a Camry if the Camry is your only car.
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:18:02 AMYou'll be bored of it in six weeks, try to rationalize money-draining mods for another 12 weeks, then want out in 6 months.Want out for what? An Audi TT? :wtf:
As I've said before, no car short of something like an Ariel Atom is going to be as exciting as a motorcycle.... so with that precursor, why seek out driving excitement at all? Especially considering I get more than my fill of 4 wheel excitement via racing sims and karting?
All I want/need is a car that is
- RELIABLE
- practical
- cheap to operate
- quiet how I want (i.e. no road/tire/wind noise)
- roomy enough to allow my wife to sit in front of a child seat
- quick in a straight line and not a complete dog in the summer
- good looking + sounding
Being able to trigger automotive enthusiast fundamentalists like yourself is just icing on the cake. :evildude:
It's an iterative process. Z hit points 1, 6 & 7. Civic hits 1, 2, 3, 5ish and half of 7 IMO. Base Camry hits 1-6 easily; mods will complete 7 and give me a project which I enjoy. Plus I'm already planning on dumping this in 2 yrs.... it's just what I do, I don't think I'd be in a Raza approved car any longer :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 09, 2017, 07:58:32 AM
Post by: MrH on January 09, 2017, 07:58:32 AM
I actually understand the want for the Camry. But don't talk about doing Evora cam swaps :lol: You're going to ruin what you want, which is a reliable, comfortable ride for cheap.
Essentially that's what the 4Runner is to me. Second car/motorcycle makes more sense than trying to get everything you want in one gulp.
You should build an Exocet.
Essentially that's what the 4Runner is to me. Second car/motorcycle makes more sense than trying to get everything you want in one gulp.
You should build an Exocet.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on January 09, 2017, 08:08:41 AM
Post by: GoCougs on January 09, 2017, 08:08:41 AM
"Enthusiasts" hate the Camry because it makes them feel insecure (V6 model, esp. XSE model with paddle shifters) - I mean, imagine flitting about in your German "sports car" and having no choice but to see Camry tail lights when things get agro at a stoplight. Now add reliability and quality that is another universe, and it's not a good scene for some people.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 08:19:01 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 08:19:01 AM
Quote from: MrH on January 09, 2017, 07:58:32 AMThe cams were a joke, but I do want tighter damping + less wheel gap + more grip. I think that's reasonable even on a Camry, and contrary to the peanut gallery's protests, will have zero effect on reliability. For the street a Camry V6 is fine, maybe even better than fine.
I actually understand the want for the Camry. But don't talk about doing Evora cam swaps :lol: You're going to ruin what you want, which is a reliable, comfortable ride for cheap.
Essentially that's what the 4Runner is to me. Second car/motorcycle makes more sense than trying to get everything you want in one gulp.
You should build an Exocet.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 09, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
Post by: Char on January 09, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:18:02 AM
No, you don't. You can even be an interesting person and own a Camry, I assume. But you can't have an interesting car to drive and have a Camry if the Camry is your only car. You'll be bored of it in six weeks, try to rationalize money-draining mods for another 12 weeks, then want out in 6 months.
+100.
Honestly man, just buy the car you WANT the Camry to be, instead of trying to compromise it to be something it's not.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:21:37 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:21:37 AM
Just get the 200.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
If you're going to dump it in 2 years, why mod it at all? You'll never get your money back, especially given the average Camry buyer probably doesn't even know what a brake caliper is, let alone why a Highlander one is better.
Also, I still disagree with your point that motorcycle means that you don't need a fun car. I still enjoy hitting the twisties in my cars as much as I do on the bike. In fact, sometimes I enjoy it more because I am better at driving a car than riding a bike and can drive quicker without scaring the shit out of myself.
I don't know how good your sim rig is but I definitely couldn't replace driving with one of those.
Also, I still disagree with your point that motorcycle means that you don't need a fun car. I still enjoy hitting the twisties in my cars as much as I do on the bike. In fact, sometimes I enjoy it more because I am better at driving a car than riding a bike and can drive quicker without scaring the shit out of myself.
I don't know how good your sim rig is but I definitely couldn't replace driving with one of those.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
I don't understand the singleminded rationalization of 0-60 times. The Camry still has a pillowy suspension and Buick steering ratios.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
I don't understand the singleminded rationalization of 0-60 times. The Camry still has a pillowy suspension and Buick steering ratios.
Yeah, and if he doesn't need 4 wheel enjoyment since he has a motorcycle, why does he need the straight line speed? The motorcycle will still dust anything he can buy for $20k (unless he buys another motorcycle :lol: ).
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:21:37 AM
Just get the 200.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 11:40:11 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 11:40:11 AM
Quote from: Char on January 09, 2017, 10:14:45 AMAnd what car is that exactly, given my list of requirements?
+100.
Honestly man, just buy the car you WANT the Camry to be, instead of trying to compromise it to be something it's not.
Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:26:41 AMIt's not singleminded rationalization, just an important factor. It sucks to jump off the bike during riding season into the Civic, which is an absolute dog in warm/hot weather. Camry V6 will get the job done.
I don't understand the singleminded rationalization of 0-60 times. The Camry still has a pillowy suspension and Buick steering ratios.
Suspension can be fixed, and steering ratios are fine (2.7 turns in the Civic vs 3.2 in the Camry).
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
If you're going to dump it in 2 years, why mod it at all? You'll never get your money back, especially given the average Camry buyer probably doesn't even know what a brake caliper is, let alone why a Highlander one is better.
Also, I still disagree with your point that motorcycle means that you don't need a fun car. I still enjoy hitting the twisties in my cars as much as I do on the bike. In fact, sometimes I enjoy it more because I am better at driving a car than riding a bike and can drive quicker without scaring the shit out of myself.
I don't know how good your sim rig is but I definitely couldn't replace driving with one of those.
Stop projecting your wants onto me. You enjoy hitting the twisties... OK. I don't drive unless I have somewhere to go. The idea of burning gas and spending time driving to nowhere is asinine to me. My modding makes about as much sense as your bike purchases... it's just what I like to do, it's not supposed to make financial sense. I like projects and tweaking shit. And if you ever find yourself in NC you are more than welcome to test my rig out.
You are you and I am me. I'm not asking you to replace your cars with a Camry, or do anything for that matter. Take a deep breath and chill out. It's going to be otay :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 11:48:46 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 11:48:46 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 11:40:11 AM
And what car is that exactly, given my list of requirements?
It's not singleminded rationalization, just an important factor. It sucks to jump off the bike during riding season into the Civic, which is an absolute dog in warm/hot weather. Camry V6 will get the job done.
Suspension can be fixed, and steering ratios are fine (2.7 turns in the Civic vs 3.2 in the Camry).
Stop projecting your wants onto me. You enjoy hitting the twisties... OK. I don't drive unless I have somewhere to go. The idea of burning gas and spending time driving to nowhere is asinine to me. My modding makes about as much sense as your bike purchases... it's just what I like to do, it's not supposed to make financial sense. I like projects and tweaking shit. And if you ever find yourself in NC you are more than welcome to test my rig out.
You are you and I am me. I'm not asking you to replace your cars with a Camry, or do anything for that matter. Take a deep breath and chill out. It's going to be otay :lol:
I'm not projecting my wants onto you. I'm just confused about why you want to mod the Camry in the first place. I brought up twisties because you said you take back roads to work, and the Camry would probably be a dog in that situation.
Also, legit question - how come you miss the straight line speed of the bike when you're in the Civic, but you won't miss other aspects (like actually being able to turn :lol: ) if you get a Camry?
Either way, you do you man. I'll just sit back and wait for the Camry build thread. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 11:48:46 AM
I'm not projecting my wants onto you. I'm just confused about why you want to mod the Camry in the first place. I brought up twisties because you said you take back roads to work, and the Camry would probably be a dog in that situation.
Also, legit question - how come you miss the straight line speed of the bike when you're in the Civic, but you won't miss other aspects (like actually being able to turn :lol: ) if you get a Camry?
Either way, you do you man. I'll just sit back and wait for the Camry build thread. :lol:
I actually test drove a stock Camry SE V6 on one of the twisty legs of my commute. It wasn't the Civic or the Z but it wasn't bad either. I don't need both of my rides to corner carving thrillers.... I think more operating range would be good.
Why mod the Camry.... same reason I modded the 3 Accords, 2 Maximas and Civic I had/have. It's just what I do :huh: I like the way a car looks and handles when its lowered, which is why I have lowered all but 2 of the cars I've owned, with the first being because I didn't know how to or that it was an option, and the Z being low enough stock. I see the Camry on coils being no more ridiculous than the Maxima I had on coils, which was awesome, even on choppy ass NYC streets. Actually, that Maxima is probably closest to what I want, but it's too old/slow now, and comparable options to the Camry are too expensive.
Build is gonna be fun and completely ridiculous which is exactly why I want to do it. I think it's gonna come out kind of awesome as well.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 09, 2017, 12:25:39 PM
Post by: 68_427 on January 09, 2017, 12:25:39 PM
Just buy the new one and keep it forever
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
Waiting for Fortune Auto to do their thing.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 09, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
Post by: Char on January 09, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
Mazda 3 or 6.
E91 CPO
Accord Sport
E91 CPO
Accord Sport
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: Char on January 09, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
Mazda 3 or 6. 3i rental I had sucked and was super disappointing. I'd rather the Civic Si or GTI in this class but I don't want to do this class again just yet
E91 CPO RWD is not enough to make up for worse reliability, tight rear seat for infant seat, premium gas
Accord Sport If I got another Accord it would be the V6 sedan
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
Dude, if you don't want an interesting car to drive, that's fine. Don't get one. I'm not telling you to.
And you keep comparing it to an Audi TT. I've actually driven both. The TT is a convertible spaceship with laser cannons compared to a Camry.
If you want cheap, reliable, quick transportation, that's fine. Just don't pretend that it's a few parts away from being a front engined Evora. That's just not how it works. And Mike is right; start messing around with it like that and you'll lose what you bought it for in the first place.
And you keep comparing it to an Audi TT. I've actually driven both. The TT is a convertible spaceship with laser cannons compared to a Camry.
If you want cheap, reliable, quick transportation, that's fine. Just don't pretend that it's a few parts away from being a front engined Evora. That's just not how it works. And Mike is right; start messing around with it like that and you'll lose what you bought it for in the first place.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:16:15 PM
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2017, 10:26:41 AM
I don't understand the singleminded rationalization of 0-60 times. The Camry still has a pillowy suspension and Buick steering ratios.
If you want a fast, larger-ish car that's quick and reliable, there's always the Infiniti G. That's what it's there for.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:18:06 PM
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:18:06 PM
Actually, you're missing a trick here. Just buy an SUV. Way more practical, and if fun doesn't matter, why buy a sedan at all?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 09, 2017, 03:58:37 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 09, 2017, 03:58:37 PM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:14:10 PMI never said this, even jokingly (which is what mention of the Evora parts- which do fit by the way- were. Jokes)
If you want cheap, reliable, quick transportation, that's fine. Just don't pretend that it's a few parts away from being a front engined Evora.
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:14:10 PMThat's just not how it works. And Mike is right; start messing around with it like that and you'll lose what you bought it for in the first place.What are you talking about man. Lose what exactly? Have you ever ridden in/driven/owned a modified car? The transformation is not that dramatic, but it's enough to enhance the driving experience.
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:18:06 PMAnd what, pray tell, would an SUV give me over a Camry, considering
Actually, you're missing a trick here. Just buy an SUV. Way more practical, and if fun doesn't matter, why buy a sedan at all?
- 90% of my driving is alone w/no cargo (aka commuting)
- my wife will be getting an SUV and has a hatchback now
- even before my wife gets an SUV, we can and do borrow her mom's minivan
- Civic does fine in bad weather (I have driven it through 3 of our "snow storms")
I'll wait :popcorn:
A Camry on coilovers is hardly the end of the world. Everyone doesn't have to drive a bone stock stickshift German car. If you want an SUV you go buy one.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Please at least get the SE. The other trims are so boring looking.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 09, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 09, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
Buy a G8 GT and be done......
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 09, 2017, 06:54:36 PM
Post by: Char on January 09, 2017, 06:54:36 PM
Mazda 6.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 06:55:36 PM
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
I never said this, even jokingly (which is what mention of the Evora parts- which do fit by the way- were. Jokes)
Turnabout is fair play.
Quote
What are you talking about man. Lose what exactly? Have you ever ridden in/driven/owned a modified car? The transformation is not that dramatic, but it's enough to enhance the driving experience.
Loads. And you have a history of modifying cars to the point that they're undrivable and then selling them because you no longer like driving them.
Quote
And what, pray tell, would an SUV give me over a Camry, considering
- 90% of my driving is alone w/no cargo (aka commuting)
- my wife will be getting an SUV and has a hatchback now
- even before my wife gets an SUV, we can and do borrow her mom's minivan
- Civic does fine in bad weather (I have driven it through 3 of our "snow storms")
I'll wait :popcorn:
A Camry on coilovers is hardly the end of the world. Everyone doesn't have to drive a bone stock stickshift German car. If you want an SUV you go buy one.
Didn't realize that your wife will get an SUV herself. But you'd hardly be the first family to own two SUVs. Besides, if you are riding most of the time anyway and you don't enjoy driving anyway, what's the point of getting a pudding sedan and modifying it when you can get a CRV or something that's more practical for a small penalty in gas mileage and maybe none in drivability, and make it easier for when you have a kid.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 09, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 09, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
Ok, but isn't the Accord basically a slightly sharper driving Camry? Wouldn't that be a better start than trying to sharpen up the Camry?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 09, 2017, 06:20:53 PMOnly visual differences between SE and non SEs are the spoiler, lip kit, wheels and grill.... I'd def do wheels and the spoiler, prob pass on the lip kit and grill.
Please at least get the SE. The other trims are so boring looking.
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 06:55:36 PM:confused:
Turnabout is fair play.
Loads. And you have a history of modifying cars to the point that they're undrivable and then selling them because you no longer like driving them.
1st Maxima: blown tire, totaled
1st Accord: modded, fun, sold to move to BK
2nd Accord: too extreme, high miles (never should have bought in first place)
3rd Accord: high miles (never should have bought in first place)
2nd Maxima: modded, fun, great commuter, sold for medical expenses
Z: kept bone stock, fun until I had to commute with it
Civic: done, bored
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:14:10 PMDidn't realize that your wife will get an SUV herself. But you'd hardly be the first family to own two SUVs. Besides, if you are riding most of the time anyway and you don't enjoy driving anyway, what's the point of getting a pudding sedan and modifying it when you can get a CRV or something that's more practical for a small penalty in gas mileage and maybe none in drivability, and make it easier for when you have a kid.Oh brother. If I didn't enjoy driving, I wouldn't spend 1-2 hours a day sim racing. Not wanting to own a Raza-approved stickshift German car doesn't mean I don't enjoy driving. :pee: :hammerhead:
Riding ~5000 miles a year out of the 20000 miles a year I drive <> "most". Wifey and grandma's cars will be the main rides for the kid... I just need something roomy enough for a child seat behind my 5' 11" wife that is still somewhat fun to drive. A CRV is absolutely zero fun to drive. Midsize Camry/Accord is 100% the best compromise.... I know it hurts to hear. The best I could do for you is maybe a Passat 3.6, but that's rife with problems itself.... pretty much the worst of various overlapping options
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 09, 2017, 07:00:24 PMStock, sure... with mods, it's all the same
Ok, but isn't the Accord basically a slightly sharper driving Camry? Wouldn't that be a better start than trying to sharpen up the Camry?
Quote from: Char on January 09, 2017, 06:54:36 PM1 gen is slow and rusty, 2nd gen is thirsty, ugly and crappy, 3rd gen is expensive and slow.
Mazda 6.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
Post by: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
I don't recall saying you had to buy a stickshift German car. What's right for me isn't necessarily right for you and I don't pretend that it is.
I actually think I told you to buy an Infiniti G a couple posts back. :huh:
I actually think I told you to buy an Infiniti G a couple posts back. :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 09, 2017, 08:09:23 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 09, 2017, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
I don't recall saying you had to buy a stickshift German car. What's right for me isn't necessarily right for you and I don't pretend that it is.
I actually think I told you to buy an Infiniti G a couple posts back. :huh:
What are you, some kind of smart ass? You think an Infiniti G actually makes more sense than a Camry for someone that enjoyed a 350Z but gave it up because it wasn't practical enough?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 09, 2017, 08:23:48 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 09, 2017, 08:23:48 PM
Guess what. Keep the Civic. None of this Camry shit makes any sense. Get a Speed Triple.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 10, 2017, 06:45:32 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 10, 2017, 06:45:32 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 09, 2017, 08:09:23 PM
What are you, some kind of smart ass? You think an Infiniti G actually makes more sense than a Camry for someone that enjoyed a 350Z but gave it up because it wasn't practical enough?
(https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/33/Futurama_Fry_Looking_Squint.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 11, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
Post by: Char on January 11, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
He'll keep making excuses until he buys it - or something else unrelated. Says the BMW is unreliable and already replaced the engine in the Civic.
If you want a Camry, get a Camry - best of luck.
If you want a Camry, get a Camry - best of luck.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 10:40:23 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 10:40:23 AM
Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal :huh:
Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years :popcorn:
Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years :popcorn:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 11, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 11, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
Successful troll
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: FoMoJo on January 11, 2017, 10:59:01 AM
Post by: FoMoJo on January 11, 2017, 10:59:01 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 10:40:23 AMHave you bought it yet?
Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal :huh:
Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years :popcorn:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 11:58:31 AM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 11:58:31 AM
Quote from: MrH on January 09, 2017, 07:58:32 AM
I actually understand the want for the Camry. But don't talk about doing Evora cam swaps :lol: You're going to ruin what you want, which is a reliable, comfortable ride for cheap.
Not to mention resale value (though suspension mods are relatively easy to undo, if that's all he's gonna do).
Still, without having driven any of them, it seems like an Accord or Mazda 6 would fit all the criteria and be better to drive stock.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 11, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
Successful troll
:lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 01:06:24 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 11:58:31 AMStock is the key word here. Modded it's a wash, the chassis differences mostly come down to tuning and tires. Plus Im not building a track beast anyway... I've been down here for 4 years this May and have done 1 track day in rented cars.
Not to mention resale value (though suspension mods are relatively easy to undo, if that's all he's gonna do).
Still, without having driven any of them, it seems like an Accord or Mazda 6 would fit all the criteria and be better to drive stock.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
Here's a good reason to buy German: Japanese cars make people kill themselves.
(http://tylervigen.com/chart-pngs/13.png)
(http://tylervigen.com/chart-pngs/13.png)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 01:46:25 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 01:46:25 PM
There's a lot wrong with that chart I don't have the energy to get into now
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 11, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 11, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Seem legit to me. FWIW I have never bought a Japanese car and I have never committed suicide, so it definitely correlates with my experience.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 11, 2017, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 01:46:25 PM
There's a lot wrong with that chart I don't have the energy to get into now
lol no shit. I got it from a page called "Spurious Correlations." :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 11, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
Successful troll
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 11, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
Post by: MrH on January 11, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
:golfclap: :internetry:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 11, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
Post by: Char on January 11, 2017, 03:40:01 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 10:40:23 AM
Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal :huh:
Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years :popcorn:
I have nothing against Japanese cars, I was partial to Nissan for a while personally (Now they just make trash). But you've done this a bunch. With the 350Z, with the Civic, and now with the Camry. It's a great car if you want a quiet reliable appliance, and it will never be anything more than that. The transmission will always shift slow, it will always be front heavy and it will always lack feedback and engagement - just know that going in to this.
I don't think a E92 coupe is right for everyone, but it was right for me. They only regret I have was not getting a 335i...maybe...possibly. But hey, it's your money.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 11, 2017, 03:40:33 PM
Post by: Raza on January 11, 2017, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 10:40:23 AM
Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal :huh:
Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years :popcorn:
Sheer terror? Have you been reading my posts or just making stuff up? I'm only looking out for you, mate.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2017, 03:58:04 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2017, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.
:hesaid:
Camry is just an anti-enthusiast step to the side and down. It makes less than zero sense.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 11, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
Post by: Raza on January 11, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.
I think he really wants a G35/7, but he's too much of a self-described iconoclast to jump on the G train.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 11, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
Post by: MrH on January 11, 2017, 06:01:43 PM
He's hipster sporty. Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. As long as he identifies it as unique, it's cool to him. The actual merits of the decision do not matter :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 11, 2017, 06:06:37 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 11, 2017, 06:06:37 PM
Meh, his merits are just different. :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 06:31:32 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 06:31:32 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2017, 03:46:37 PMThere's some truth to this. I actually do like the latest Accord. Problem is the one I want (current body V6 sedan) is not worth what they are asking (~20K). Within what I'm looking to spend (~10K) the Camry V6 is the way better choice.
I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 11, 2017, 06:06:37 PMThat's all. I want something cheap + easy to own that's quick, quiet, roomy and good looking to me. Triggering the SPIN's self-identifying "enthusiasts/purists" is just icing on the cake :lol: People keep screaming "b-b-b-but what about driving engagement???" like I don't log a dozen hours a week racing or don't have a motorcycle. It is what it is. Gonna be a fun 2 years here :lol:
Meh, his merits are just different. :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on January 12, 2017, 06:47:48 AM
Post by: GoCougs on January 12, 2017, 06:47:48 AM
Again, the G37 is the better choice. Plenty of gently/moderately used Gs at well less than $20k - one should be able to get this for say $12k fairly easily:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=98065&modelCode1=INFINQ40&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98065%26doorCode%3D4%26showcaseOwnerId%3D0%26doorCodes%3D4%26startYear%3D1981%26maxMileage%3D75000%26endYear%3D2017%26modelCodeList%3DG37%252CINFINQ40%26makeCodeList%3DINFIN%26modelCode1%3DINFINQ40%26mmt%3D%255BINFIN%255BG37%255B%255DINFINQ40%255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode2%3DG37%26makeCode2%3DINFIN%26makeCode1%3DINFIN%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D25&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&makeCode1=INFIN&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&searchRadius=25&listingId=446891522&makeCode1=INFIN&modelCode1=G37
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=98065&modelCode1=INFINQ40&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98065%26doorCode%3D4%26showcaseOwnerId%3D0%26doorCodes%3D4%26startYear%3D1981%26maxMileage%3D75000%26endYear%3D2017%26modelCodeList%3DG37%252CINFINQ40%26makeCodeList%3DINFIN%26modelCode1%3DINFINQ40%26mmt%3D%255BINFIN%255BG37%255B%255DINFINQ40%255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode2%3DG37%26makeCode2%3DINFIN%26makeCode1%3DINFIN%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D25&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&makeCode1=INFIN&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&searchRadius=25&listingId=446891522&makeCode1=INFIN&modelCode1=G37
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:15:51 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:15:51 AM
Vs the Camry the G37 is
- Cramped (infant seat def wont fit behind wifey)
- more expensive to fuel up (premium + worse gas mileage)
- not much faster (~.3 in the quarter, picking nits)
- more expensive in general (price, tires, oil, probably insurance too)
I'm gonna keep the Camry until the kids can do booster seats (so longer than 2 yrs honestly) at which point I will go for a coupe, which opens things up tremendously. G doesn't work for what I want now or later
- Cramped (infant seat def wont fit behind wifey)
- more expensive to fuel up (premium + worse gas mileage)
- not much faster (~.3 in the quarter, picking nits)
- more expensive in general (price, tires, oil, probably insurance too)
I'm gonna keep the Camry until the kids can do booster seats (so longer than 2 yrs honestly) at which point I will go for a coupe, which opens things up tremendously. G doesn't work for what I want now or later
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:33:08 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:33:08 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:15:51 AM
Vs the Camry the G37 is
- Cramped (infant seat def wont fit behind wifey)
- more expensive to fuel up (premium + worse gas mileage)
- not much faster (~.3 in the quarter, picking nits)
- more expensive in general (price, tires, oil, probably insurance too)
I'm gonna keep the Camry until the kids can do booster seats (so longer than 2 yrs honestly) at which point I will go for a coupe, which opens things up tremendously. G doesn't work for what I want now or later
You're having twins?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:33:08 AMNo, we aren't having anything yet, but the long term goal is for 2 in relatively short succession.
You're having twins?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
No, we aren't having anything yet, but the long term goal is for 2 in relatively short succession.
So you're looking at four years at the absolute minimum. More likely six+ depending on how seriously you guys take the car seat guidelines.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 10:33:12 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 10:33:12 AM
1. Doesn't even have kids
2. Kids might be midgets, anyway
3. Wifey is getting a crossover/SUV
:pee:
2. Kids might be midgets, anyway
3. Wifey is getting a crossover/SUV
:pee:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
First 90 Days: Trump will do away with seatbelts child car seats altogether. Kids will instead fly to safety through the windshield.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 10:46:32 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 10:46:32 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 09:04:53 AMAs with everything, I will cross that bridge when I get to it :lol: Current Lexus GSs will be doable by then.
So you're looking at four years at the absolute minimum. More likely six+ depending on how seriously you guys take the car seat guidelines.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on January 12, 2017, 11:02:25 AM
Post by: MX793 on January 12, 2017, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
First 90 Days: Trump will do away with seatbelts child car seats altogether. Kids will instead fly to safety through the windshield.
Ejection works for fighter pilots.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:04:21 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 10:46:32 AM
As with everything, I will cross that bridge when I get to it :lol: Current Lexus GSs will be doable by then.
I think you should just VIP a first/second gen LS400 and keep that forever.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 11:05:37 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 11:05:37 AM
Ooh.................. Lexus LS
Those are so smoooooooooth
Those are so smoooooooooth
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 10:46:32 AM
As with everything, I will cross that bridge when I get to it :lol: Current Lexus GSs will be doable by then.
Just trying to give you a timeline idea.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:04:21 AMToo slow/gas guzzling/big. Im basically VIPing this though.
I think you should just VIP a first/second gen LS400 and keep that forever.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:39:23 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
Too slow/gas guzzling/big. Im basically VIPing this though.
But 1UZ-FE V8!
Can you just do it because it's something I've always wanted to do and I can live vicariously through you? :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:39:23 AMBrah an old LS is dirt cheap.... you should do it. I think you are afraid that you are going to really love having a vehicle that is comfortable and quiet :lol:
But 1UZ-FE V8!
Can you just do it because it's something I've always wanted to do and I can live vicariously through you? :lol:
Commuter + fun ride is the formula and IMO the more extreme the two go to their purposes the better. Im hoping to get a new bike next year too but long term, if I could get an Exocet, I don't think I'd ever get a "fun commuter" ever again. I'd legit consider a used LS or something like that.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 12, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
Post by: MrH on January 12, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
So when is this Camry actually happening? Or is this going to be an elaborate troll job for another drawn out two years? :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 12, 2017, 12:01:05 PMProbably spring/summer. Waiting for my consulting work money to come in and then for Uncle Sam to ream me.
So when is this Camry actually happening? Or is this going to be an elaborate troll job for another drawn out two years? :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 01:01:36 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
Brah an old LS is dirt cheap.... you should do it. I think you are afraid that you are going to really love having a vehicle that is comfortable and quiet :lol:
Commuter + fun ride is the formula and IMO the more extreme the two go to their purposes the better. Im hoping to get a new bike next year too but long term, if I could get an Exocet, I don't think I'd ever get a "fun commuter" ever again. I'd legit consider a used LS or something like that.
Dude I have enough money pits. I'd be looking at a manual transmission swap for one of those.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 12, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
Post by: Raza on January 12, 2017, 06:03:25 PM
Ugh, just get Book by Cadillac.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on January 12, 2017, 06:20:38 PM
Post by: r0tor on January 12, 2017, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:15:51 AM
Vs the Camry the G37 is
- Cramped (infant seat def wont fit behind wifey)
- more expensive to fuel up (premium + worse gas mileage)
- not much faster (~.3 in the quarter, picking nits)
- more expensive in general (price, tires, oil, probably insurance too)
I'm gonna keep the Camry until the kids can do booster seats (so longer than 2 yrs honestly) at which point I will go for a coupe, which opens things up tremendously. G doesn't work for what I want now or later
Holy fuck... My step-son grew up riding in a Neon and then a Focus... You planning on wrapping the kid in a 48" thick cacoon made of bubble wrap?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 12, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 12, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
My kid won't have a silly carseat. Just a mini 6 point harness and HANS device.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
rexus isf
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5956330172.html
tell me again how fast a camry is
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5956330172.html
tell me again how fast a camry is
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:38:34 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:38:34 PM
Quote from: r0tor on January 12, 2017, 06:20:38 PMSure, why not. What the hell does the negligence of whoever raised your step son have to do with me?
Holy fuck... My step-son grew up riding in a Neon and then a Focus... You planning on wrapping the kid in a 48" thick cacoon made of bubble wrap?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on January 12, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Post by: r0tor on January 12, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:38:34 PM
Sure, why not. What the hell does the negligence of whoever raised your step son have to do with me?
Dude, child seats easily fit in even compact cars with adults in the front... Quit the shit that your some unicorn in life where a child seat doesn't fit in an average mid sized 4 door despite it working for the other 7 billion people on the planet
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
You know what has a gigantic backseat? A Versa. I can sit behind myself and stretch my legs out like a boss. It's a damn limo. Camry ain't got shit.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:20:41 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:20:41 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 12, 2017, 07:38:34 PM
Sure, why not. What the hell does the negligence of whoever raised your step son have to do with me?
Why is that negligence?
I hauled around my first born in the back of an EP3 Civic for three years.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
Quote from: r0tor on January 12, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Dude, child seats easily fit in even compact cars with adults in the front... Quit the shit that your some unicorn in life where a child seat doesn't fit in an average mid sized 4 door despite it working for the other 7 billion people on the planet
Rear facing they're tight in everything, regardless of size.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
You know what has a gigantic backseat? A Versa. I can sit behind myself and stretch my legs out like a boss. It's a damn limo. Camry ain't got shit.
Apparently there's some matter/time displacement machine.
If I was sitting behind myself, I'd freak the fuck out.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on January 12, 2017, 08:29:32 PM
Post by: GoCougs on January 12, 2017, 08:29:32 PM
I will say, the G back seat is indeed very tight - the Camry backseat is ginormous in comparison. I have no idea on the G's backseat + baby seat compatibility though. What normal person would poo-poo it without trying it?
And lol at the level this trolling is taking - the Camry V6 is good/interesting for what it is, and indeed embarrasses its fair share of the poser class, but the G37 would walk it :facepalm:.
And lol at the level this trolling is taking - the Camry V6 is good/interesting for what it is, and indeed embarrasses its fair share of the poser class, but the G37 would walk it :facepalm:.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:04:22 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
Apparently there's some matter/time displacement machine.
If I was sitting behind myself, I'd freak the fuck out.
It's not so bad once you understand how it works.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:16:46 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:16:46 PM
Time to get some facts straight.
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-infiniti-g25-and-g37-sedan-car-seat-check/
Test results: with a 5'8" standardized front passenger, they had to move the Camry's front passenger seat forward to fit the infant seat, while the G37 passenger was undisturbed.
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-infiniti-g25-and-g37-sedan-car-seat-check/
Test results: with a 5'8" standardized front passenger, they had to move the Camry's front passenger seat forward to fit the infant seat, while the G37 passenger was undisturbed.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
And for the hellavit
https://www.cars.com/articles/2011/11/2012-nissan-versa-sedan-car-seat-check/
Versa accomodates car seats even better than Camry.
Both the forward- and rear-facing convertible fit well in the Versa. There's so much legroom in the second row that we didn't have to move the front passenger seat forward to accommodate the rear convertible.
https://www.cars.com/articles/2011/11/2012-nissan-versa-sedan-car-seat-check/
Versa accomodates car seats even better than Camry.
Both the forward- and rear-facing convertible fit well in the Versa. There's so much legroom in the second row that we didn't have to move the front passenger seat forward to accommodate the rear convertible.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
Post by: Laconian on January 12, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:16:46 PM
Time to get some facts straight.
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-infiniti-g25-and-g37-sedan-car-seat-check/
Test results: with a 5'8" standardized front passenger, they had to move the Camry's front passenger seat forward to fit the infant seat, while the G37 passenger was undisturbed.
rekt
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:14:41 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 12, 2017, 11:14:41 PM
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on January 13, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Post by: Rich on January 13, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on January 13, 2017, 05:20:47 AM
Post by: r0tor on January 13, 2017, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
Rear facing they're tight in everything, regardless of size.
...All the children in the continents of Europe and Asia with their love of smaller cars must be screwed then...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 13, 2017, 05:26:01 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 13, 2017, 05:26:01 AM
Quote from: r0tor on January 13, 2017, 05:20:47 AM
...All the children in the continents of Europe and Asia with their love of smaller cars must be screwed then...
"Tight" doesn't mean undoable. And keep reading: I did it in a hatchback Civic, with few complaints.
It just takes some adjusting. Funny thing about children in that...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2017, 05:47:35 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2017, 05:47:35 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 12, 2017, 09:16:46 PMTime to get some facts straight.
Time to get some facts straight.
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/02/2012-infiniti-g25-and-g37-sedan-car-seat-check/
Test results: with a 5'8" standardized front passenger, they had to move the Camry's front passenger seat forward to fit the infant seat, while the G37 passenger was undisturbed.
Wifey is 5' 11", so there's that.
Camry has a ton more rear leg room and a good bit more total legroom (https://www.cars.com/research/compare/?acodes=USC20INC151A0,USC20TOC021A0,USC00TOC021E0) as well.
Finally, somehow Cars.com did the same assessment with a 2013 Camry (same generation) and found infant seat fitment to be fine, not requiring any front seat adjustments (https://www.cars.com/articles/2013/05/2013-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/) :huh:
I've been in both cars, the Camry's back seat is way roomier.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2017, 08:20:41 PMBehind someone 5' 11" or taller? I was just giving r0tor shit, however his stepkid was raised has zero bearing on me.
Why is that negligence?
I hauled around my first born in the back of an EP3 Civic for three years.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 13, 2017, 06:12:11 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 13, 2017, 06:12:11 AM
I'm 6'3. Wife is 5'10"
Legroom as listed in spec sheets doesn't seem to always correlate to fitting in infant seats backwards, as they need clearance much higher up than knees do. Even in forward, it's a different thing than knees.
Guess what? You sit upright. Depending on the wife and kid, she might be sitting back there too. You all have to make adjustments.
Legroom as listed in spec sheets doesn't seem to always correlate to fitting in infant seats backwards, as they need clearance much higher up than knees do. Even in forward, it's a different thing than knees.
Guess what? You sit upright. Depending on the wife and kid, she might be sitting back there too. You all have to make adjustments.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2017, 06:53:07 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 13, 2017, 06:53:07 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2017, 05:47:35 AM
Time to get some facts straight.
Wifey is 5' 11", so there's that.
Camry has a ton more rear leg room and a good bit more total legroom (https://www.cars.com/research/compare/?acodes=USC20INC151A0,USC20TOC021A0,USC00TOC021E0) as well.
Finally, somehow Cars.com did the same assessment with a 2013 Camry (same generation) and found infant seat fitment to be fine, not requiring any front seat adjustments (https://www.cars.com/articles/2013/05/2013-toyota-camry-car-seat-check/) :huh:
I've been in both cars, the Camry's back seat is way roomier.
Behind someone 5' 11" or taller? I was just giving r0tor shit, however his stepkid was raised has zero bearing on me.
So ... you think it makes sense that a 5'11" passenger will be comfortable when there is a 50% chance that a 5'8" passenger has to scoot up for an infant seat. :nutty:
What you need is a Sienna. Might as well go all out.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SVT_Power on January 13, 2017, 08:35:28 AM
Post by: SVT_Power on January 13, 2017, 08:35:28 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 11, 2017, 01:46:25 PM
There's a lot wrong with that chart I don't have the energy to get into now
Other than the redundant upper horizontal axis and the vertical axes not starting from 0 , not sure what else is so wrong with the chart?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on January 13, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
Post by: r0tor on January 13, 2017, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 13, 2017, 05:26:01 AM
It just takes some adjusting. Funny thing about children in that...
...Well there is an interesting concept...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:29:41 AM
Post by: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:29:41 AM
Get the car you want now. Switching out child seats is a once in awhile thing. Living with a cramped car when you have adolescents and they're kicking the back of your seat will be an everyday nightmare. You're not going to graduate to a sports coupe when they get bigger--you're going to want something bigger to keep up with them. Get the coupe you want and enjoy it until your future children force you out of it.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:38:37 AM
Post by: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:38:37 AM
And I know I'm stating the obvious here, but given that you've slammed and thrown more aggressive springs on everything you've owned, there is simply no way you will be satisfied w the Camry. That's not a knock on it (I think the common complaints about it here are way overblown), as much as an honest evaluation of your driving preferences.
You've spent money on all your cars trying to get them to corner flatter, harder, and sharper. Why on earth would you buy the softest, most-wallowy riding thing in its class?
You've spent money on all your cars trying to get them to corner flatter, harder, and sharper. Why on earth would you buy the softest, most-wallowy riding thing in its class?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2017, 11:52:44 AM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2017, 11:52:44 AM
Quote from: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:38:37 AMThis is why I told him to get a G8 GT!! More than enough power, It handles damn good and the rear seat/trunk is HUGE!
And I know I'm stating the obvious here, but given that you've slammed and thrown more aggressive springs on everything you've owned, there is simply no way you will be satisfied w the Camry. That's not a knock on it (I think the common complaints about it here are way overblown), as much as an honest evaluation of your driving preferences.
You've spent money on all your cars trying to get them to corner flatter, harder, and sharper. Why on earth would you buy the softest, most-wallowy riding thing in its class?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 15, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 15, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tave on January 15, 2017, 06:38:37 AMI think you've misjudged my intentions with lowering. For starters I haven't slammed everything I owned. I left the Z stock, and the Civic is only like 1-1.5" lower than stock.
And I know I'm stating the obvious here, but given that you've slammed and thrown more aggressive springs on everything you've owned, there is simply no way you will be satisfied w the Camry. That's not a knock on it (I think the common complaints about it here are way overblown), as much as an honest evaluation of your driving preferences.
You've spent money on all your cars trying to get them to corner flatter, harder, and sharper. Why on earth would you buy the softest, most-wallowy riding thing in its class?
Handling is part of it, but not really the priority. If I just wanted better handling, I'd get a 4 banger Accord, and a rear sway bar with some aggressive stock sized tires. Honda's stock suspension calibration is damn near perfect IMO. Main priority is really looks. I just like the way cars look with ~1 finger gap. This is a big part of why I left the Z alone. It had a perfect stance out of the box, along with pretty good handling. Hell, it scraped on the speed bumps in my apt complex.
I suppose I could get something sportier like a G8, but why? Camry V6 will give me the low hassle/cost ownership experience I'm looking for, and with coilovers/wheels will give me the look I want as well. I had a sports car and grew to hate it once I had to commute in it every day... I don't want that. I don't think it's very complicated :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2017, 04:03:03 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 15, 2017, 04:03:03 PM
The G8 is not as harsh as a 350Z. Actually it was great as a DD and even handled snow well!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 07:17:27 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 15, 2017, 04:03:03 PM
The G8 is not as harsh as a 350Z. Actually it was great as a DD and even handled snow well!
Yeah, but it's no Camry on coilovers. Get your head straight, man.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Tave on January 16, 2017, 08:05:19 AM
Post by: Tave on January 16, 2017, 08:05:19 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 15, 2017, 01:25:00 PM
I think you've misjudged my intentions with lowering. For starters I haven't slammed everything I owned. I left the Z stock, and the Civic is only like 1-1.5" lower than stock.
Handling is part of it, but not really the priority. If I just wanted better handling, I'd get a 4 banger Accord, and a rear sway bar with some aggressive stock sized tires. Honda's stock suspension calibration is damn near perfect IMO. Main priority is really looks. I just like the way cars look with ~1 finger gap. This is a big part of why I left the Z alone. It had a perfect stance out of the box, along with pretty good handling. Hell, it scraped on the speed bumps in my apt complex.
I suppose I could get something sportier like a G8, but why? Camry V6 will give me the low hassle/cost ownership experience I'm looking for, and with coilovers/wheels will give me the look I want as well. I had a sports car and grew to hate it once I had to commute in it every day... I don't want that. I don't think it's very complicated :huh:
I'm not saying get a sports car; there are plenty of nice-handling cars in the class you want that don't punish you in terms of ride quality.
The issue with the Camry is it'll be one of the poorer options to do what you want to do to it, to it. You're going to be stuck with the isolation, numbness, bad weight transfer, tendency to want to roll, etc., etc., etc... only without the suspension compliance and supple ride.
You'll get all of the downsides of driving a Camry with none of the positives other than the engine, which is a bit of a mixed bag itself. It'll be reliable, sure, but not exceptionally powerful or efficient.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 2o6 on January 16, 2017, 09:09:49 AM
Post by: 2o6 on January 16, 2017, 09:09:49 AM
The latest Camry is pretty OK tho, and the one just showed a few days ago may end up being even better.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 08:05:19 AMAll of those cars come with caveats/tradeoffs... most of which are deal breakers for me.
I'm not saying get a sports car; there are plenty of nice-handling cars in the class you want that don't punish you in terms of ride quality.
Quote from: Tave on January 16, 2017, 08:05:19 AMI think we need to clear up what I want to do to it. And I accept the blame for moving the goalposts. But for me, some isolation/numbness would be a good thing. The thing I hate the most about the Civic, and the Z, is easily the road/wind/tire noise. The Camry eliminating that is a plus. Only noise I want is engine noise. As far as chassis response, I would lower any car I got, so in that regard everything in the Camry's class is about equal. They will all handle the same on essentially the same springs/shocks.
The issue with the Camry is it'll be one of the poorer options to do what you want to do to it, to it. You're going to be stuck with the isolation, numbness, bad weight transfer, tendency to want to roll, etc., etc., etc... only without the suspension compliance and supple ride.
You'll get all of the downsides of driving a Camry with none of the positives other than the engine, which is a bit of a mixed bag itself. It'll be reliable, sure, but not exceptionally powerful or efficient.
The way I'm feeling right now, if not for the abysmal premium gas mileage, I think I'd want to try something like a Lexus LS. I would lower that too, as people do, (https://www.google.com/search?q=lowered+ls460&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKkbXPlMfRAhWKhlQKHeILAlwQ_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=754#imgrc=HTF_xOYHZInheM%3A) mainly for the look. It's no different than something like an AMG Mercedes or whatever... people want good performance and decent response without ditching comfort and luxury.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 10:57:09 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 10:57:09 AM
Gas is cheap. Get the LS. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Can we just sum up this thread with "I want a Camry, and it'd be nice if I could justify it logically, but that's not really necessary?"
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 10:57:09 AMIt's gonna be like 50% more expensive to fuel up for a car that's slower. That's not good ricer math
Gas is cheap. Get the LS. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
All of those cars come with caveats/tradeoffs... most of which are deal breakers for me.
I think we need to clear up what I want to do to it. And I accept the blame for moving the goalposts. But for me, some isolation/numbness would be a good thing. The thing I hate the most about the Civic, and the Z, is easily the road/wind/tire noise. The Camry eliminating that is a plus. Only noise I want is engine noise. As far as chassis response, I would lower any car I got, so in that regard everything in the Camry's class is about equal. They will all handle the same on essentially the same springs/shocks.
The way I'm feeling right now, if not for the abysmal premium gas mileage, I think I'd want to try something like a Lexus LS. I would lower that too, as people do, (https://www.google.com/search?q=lowered+ls460&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKkbXPlMfRAhWKhlQKHeILAlwQ_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=754#imgrc=HTF_xOYHZInheM%3A) mainly for the look. It's no different than something like an AMG Mercedes or whatever... people want good performance and decent response without ditching comfort and luxury.
Camry is slightly more isolated, but it's no Lexus. Hell, it's not even an Avalon. You want an Avalon, brah. Lightly used from some recently passed elderly lady.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
It's gonna be like 50% more expensive to fuel up for a car that's slower. That's not good ricer math
How much are they charging for premium near you? It's usually a 20 cent/gal difference at most. And which LS is slower than which Camry?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2017, 11:56:09 AMIt's about $0.40/gal here (so 20% for price). Fuel economy covers the rest (Camry V6 will do ~23-24 MPG in my hands, LS will do like 19-20, so another 20%). Camry V6 does quarter in 14.2, LS does it in 14.5 according to C&D.
How much are they charging for premium near you? It's usually a 20 cent/gal difference at most. And which LS is slower than which Camry?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2017, 11:56:01 AMCompared to Civic/Z it is. And at my job all the old ladies drive Camrys. There are a ton of them in the handicapped spots.
Camry is slightly more isolated, but it's no Lexus. Hell, it's not even an Avalon. You want an Avalon, brah. Lightly used from some recently passed elderly lady.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 16, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 16, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 15, 2017, 07:17:27 PM:lol:
Yeah, but it's no Camry on coilovers. Get your head straight, man.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 04:57:05 PM
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 04:57:05 PM
A Camry, even a lowered one, is nothing like an AMG or M car. Don't be ridiculous. It's fine to want what you want, but if I called my Z4 "basically the same as an open top Wrangler" offroad, you'd think I'd lost my mind.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
Quick, planted, decent handling. Close enough for me :huh:
A Camry V6 on coilovers is closer to a Lexus F-car than your Z4 is to a Wrangler for sure.
A Camry V6 on coilovers is closer to a Lexus F-car than your Z4 is to a Wrangler for sure.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: FoMoJo on January 16, 2017, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: FoMoJo on January 16, 2017, 05:12:00 PM
For God's sake just get the Focus ST and stop trying to fool yourself that a Camry would ever be a satisfactory drive for a car enthusiast.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 05:12:36 PM
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
Quick, planted, decent handling. Close enough for me :huh:
Is it?
Quote
A Camry V6 on coilovers is closer to a Lexus F-car than your Z4 is to a Wrangler for sure.
Is it?
Look, if you want it, you want it. Get it. Just don't pretend it's something that it's not.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Tave on January 16, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
Post by: Tave on January 16, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
The Lexus ES and RX are the only Camry descendants.
It's going to feel like a Camry without enough travel.
It's going to feel like a Camry without enough travel.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: Raza on January 16, 2017, 05:12:36 PMWhy? What will happen if I do?
Is it?
Is it?
Look, if you want it, you want it. Get it. Just don't pretend it's something that it's not.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 05:56:03 PM
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
Why? What will happen if I do?
You'll seem ridiculous.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Raza on January 16, 2017, 05:56:03 PMI don't already? What's the downside? I'm actually enjoying it :lol:
You'll seem ridiculous.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2017, 06:57:04 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2017, 06:57:04 PM
I actually think the Camry is a good car for you. It suits your personality. It is reliable and will get you from A to B. You don't really have to drive it, it just goes so you can think about other things, like what your next car will be again.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 16, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
I don't already? What's the downside? I'm actually enjoying it :lol:
Have you looked at a Prius V yet?
(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2012-Toyota-Prus-v-placement-626x382.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 07:59:20 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 07:59:20 PM
I'm not going to lie, I've seen a pretty nicely modified Prius C running around here and it looks pretty dope...
(http://i.imgur.com/SYCwfUm.jpg)
:mask:
(http://i.imgur.com/SYCwfUm.jpg)
:mask:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 08:01:10 PM
Post by: Raza on January 16, 2017, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 16, 2017, 07:59:20 PM
I'm not going to lie, I've seen a pretty nicely modified Prius C running around here and it looks pretty dope...
(http://i.imgur.com/SYCwfUm.jpg)
:mask:
Perfect for Sporty!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Char on January 17, 2017, 12:10:21 AM
Post by: Char on January 17, 2017, 12:10:21 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Can we just sum up this thread with "I want a Camry, and it'd be nice if I could justify it logically, but that's not really necessary?"
/thread.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:55:13 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:55:13 AM
Quote from: Raza on January 16, 2017, 07:11:27 PMNo, why would I?
Have you looked at a Prius V yet?
(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2012-Toyota-Prus-v-placement-626x382.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
This is just funny because every Sporty thread is the same - people recommend a perfect car for the stated wants, then he insists on something that is a level below that so he can try to mod it up to the level of the car everyone recommended.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 10:37:11 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 10:37:11 AM
This is rich coming from a dude who built an El Camino for autocross :wtf:
A Camry is a fine daily driver, which is all I want. "The perfect cars" people have suggested aren't any better at that basic task, nor do any of them look as good (IMO) as the Camry on coils.
I will do my due diligence and test drive some Gs when the time comes though.
A Camry is a fine daily driver, which is all I want. "The perfect cars" people have suggested aren't any better at that basic task, nor do any of them look as good (IMO) as the Camry on coils.
I will do my due diligence and test drive some Gs when the time comes though.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on January 17, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
Post by: GoCougs on January 17, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
This is just funny because every Sporty thread is the same - people recommend a perfect car for the stated wants, then he insists on something that is a level below that so he can try to mod it up to the level of the car everyone recommended.
Word - it's all about the drama. The Camry V6 is very good for what it is, and is more "enthusiast" than many cars, including some of those owned by 'SPINners, but there is no argument that the correct car in this situation is a G37 sedan. This Funny Business about mpg and baby seats is a dog that just don't hunt.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 10:54:45 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 10:37:11 AM
This is rich coming from a dude who built an El Camino for autocross :wtf:
A Camry is a fine daily driver, which is all I want. "The perfect cars" people have suggested aren't any better at that basic task, nor do any of them look as good (IMO) as the Camry on coils.
I will do my due diligence and test drive some Gs when the time comes though.
One thing being an aspiring Camry owner does not give one leave to do is to make fun actual cool cars.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 10:54:45 AMI will, as I always have, say AND do what I want.
One thing being an aspiring Camry owner does not give one leave to do is to make fun actual cool cars.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 11:02:57 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 11:02:57 AM
Econoline. Works for Mormons. Maybe you could slam it.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 11:03:50 AM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 11:02:57 AM
Econoline. Works for Mormons. Maybe you could slam it.
If you're gonna slam a van, it's gotta be one of those Dodges that people race in Japan
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: FoMoJo on January 17, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
Post by: FoMoJo on January 17, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 11:02:57 AM:lol:
Econoline. Works for Mormons. Maybe you could slam it.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 11:14:05 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
I will, as I always have, say AND do what I want.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lCFyJIDGztA
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 17, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 17, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
The original poll list doesn't have Camry on it. Wtf r u all talking aboot.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on January 17, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
Word - it's all about the drama. The Camry V6 is very good for what it is, and is more "enthusiast" than many cars, including some of those owned by 'SPINners, but there is no argument that the correct car in this situation is a G37 sedan. This Funny Business about mpg and baby seats is a dog that just don't hunt.
Yup, being different for the sake of being different.
The ironic thing is that, around here, being different means getting the most mainstream car possible. I don't even know how to describe it. Un-hipster? Anti-hipster? Meta-hipster?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 03:42:53 PM
Post by: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 03:42:53 PM
It's called "normcore", where hipsters are so hip that they pull a 360 and end up at their original rotation.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 02:52:33 PMYep.... taking the uncool, and making it cool. Owning it. That's def part of it.
Yup, being different for the sake of being different.
The ironic thing is that, around here, being different means getting the most mainstream car possible. I don't even know how to describe it. Un-hipster? Anti-hipster? Meta-hipster?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
All jokes aside, I did feel like a dbag walking up to the Z sometimes. I do prefer to keep a low profile. I don't want a car that says anything about me, which is part of why I kind of don't like German cars. I don't want to be "that guy".
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2017, 04:22:20 PM
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2017, 04:22:20 PM
:huh:
So you car selection is largely determined by how you want people to view you? You want to be seen as some sort of weird contrarian, so Camry on coilovers is the answer? This thread is getting weirder and weirder every day :lol:
So you car selection is largely determined by how you want people to view you? You want to be seen as some sort of weird contrarian, so Camry on coilovers is the answer? This thread is getting weirder and weirder every day :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 04:33:08 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
All jokes aside, I did feel like a dbag walking up to the Z sometimes. I do prefer to keep a low profile. I don't want a car that says anything about me, which is part of why I kind of don't like German cars. I don't want to be "that guy".
Not wanting the Z because you think people will think you're a douche is just as bad as wanting the Z because you think people will think you're a super cool bro. Wanting a Camry is worse than either of those.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 17, 2017, 04:22:20 PMIt's a factor, just as it is for everybody, regardless of how they try to spin it.
:huh:
So you car selection is largely determined by how you want people to view you? You want to be seen as some sort of weird contrarian, so Camry on coilovers is the answer? This thread is getting weirder and weirder every day :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
It's a factor, just as it is for everybody, regardless of how they try to spin it.
That much is true.
Car selection is very much ego and self image driven.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 04:52:36 PM
That much is true.
Car selection is very much ego and self image driven.
As long as a car isn't ugly it's not a big factor for me on how it looks. I drive a hair dresser's car. :huh:
Motorcycles, on the other hand, is like 110% ego driven for me. Part of the reason I got a liter bike is to say I ride one, and part of me is still kicking myself for not going all out with an R1, even though I know I'd hate riding it. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 04:54:57 PMImage goes beyond how a car's looks. It's also the image it presents of its owner .I would argue that disclosing the removal of P/S + A/C + sound deadening in a car that's not used in competition = caring about your car's image.
As long as a car isn't ugly it's not a big factor for me on how it looks. I drive a hair dresser's car. :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 05:30:13 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
Image goes beyond how a car's looks. It's also the image it presents of its owner .I would argue that disclosing the removal of P/S + A/C + sound deadening in a car that's not used in competition = caring about your car's image.
That's a stretch.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 05:30:13 PMHow do you figure? What functional/performance based purpose does bragging about stripping a car out serve?
That's a stretch.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:24:52 PM
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:24:52 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
It's a factor, just as it is for everybody, regardless of how they try to spin it.
I can't argue with that.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
How do you figure? What functional/performance based purpose does bragging about stripping a car out serve?
Carpets were ripped already so I pulled them. Stereo/AC never was used so I pulled that out too.
Where did I "brag" about doing all this? In fact I think I probably said the opposite - that the car is effectively ruined as a street car and is worthless to sell. :huh:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
As long as a car isn't ugly it's not a big factor for me on how it looks. I drive a hair dresser's car. :huh:
Motorcycles, on the other hand, is like 110% ego driven for me. Part of the reason I got a liter bike is to say I ride one, and part of me is still kicking myself for not going all out with an R1, even though I know I'd hate riding it. :lol:
The look doesn't have to be part of it though; and ignoring the look is part of it too. I may suddenly start sounding eggheady here, so bear with me. Ego, in its real meaning is about the outward projection of yourself. Driving a no-nonsense sports car is a perfect example of this. Ego need not be about what others think, but about what you think of yourself.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 06:32:04 PMRecently you did, but when you first did it you seemed proud from what I remember.
Carpets were ripped already so I pulled them. Stereo/AC never was used so I pulled that out too.
Where did I "brag" about doing all this? In fact I think I probably said the opposite - that the car is effectively ruined as a street car and is worthless to sell. :huh:
Even people who say they don't care about their cars image do care just by saying so and choosing a car that displays said lack of care.
I care. To me, this looks good. This is the image I want to give off.
(https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/1212-4-2009-camry-toyota-dropped-1-3-str-601-silver-nearly-flush.jpg)
No normal person is going to see this and say "wow look at that douchebag". And people in the know will probably chuckle and shake their heads. But to me this strikes the balance of looking good without shouting about it.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 06:56:05 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 06:56:05 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:21:51 PMI wonder how I look walking up to a Yellow Vette? I'll tell you! HAPPY!!! Who gives a shit what some hater in a clapped out 10 year old Impala thinks....
All jokes aside, I did feel like a dbag walking up to the Z sometimes. I do prefer to keep a low profile. I don't want a car that says anything about me, which is part of why I kind of don't like German cars. I don't want to be "that guy".
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
Carpets were ripped already so I pulled them. Stereo/AC never was used so I pulled that out too.
Where did I "brag" about doing all this? In fact I think I probably said the opposite - that the car is effectively ruined as a street car and is worthless to sell. :huh:
Yeah, we bag on you all the time for making your car ricey and undrivable on the street.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:59:12 PM
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 17, 2017, 06:56:05 PM
I wonder how I look walking up to a Yellow Vette? I'll tell you! HAPPY!!! Who gives a shit what some hater in a clapped out 10 year old Impala thinks....
I get a lot of positive comments in the Z4, from people of all ages, races, and genders (well, not all, just the two). But then again, I did have those vandalism problems (which I believe was more territorial than having to do with the car).
I couldn't do yellow, though. Too shouty and loud for my personality.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 07:00:00 PM
I got hella compliments on the Z as well, but it still felt douchey to me.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
The look doesn't have to be part of it though; and ignoring the look is part of it too. I may suddenly start sounding eggheady here, so bear with me. Ego, in its real meaning is about the outward projection of yourself. Driving a no-nonsense sports car is a perfect example of this. Ego need not be about what others think, but about what you think of yourself.
I built the car as a tool for the track. A/C, carpets, stereo, etc are not needed on track. It spiraled out of control as a street car but once I stopped daily driving it and started riding my bike to work everyday I went crazy with it. It didn't have a header or stripped interior and still had A/C and a stereo till I bought my motorcycle and stopped driving the car.
Sometimes I just get sad that it sucks so much on the street, but it's not like I'm daily-ing a race car just to say that I am.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Recently you did, but when you first did it you seemed proud from what I remember.
Even people who say they don't care about their cars image do care just by saying so and choosing a car that displays said lack of care.
I care. To me, this looks good. This is the image I want to give off.
[img]https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/1212-4-2009-camry-toyota-dropped-1-3-str-601-silver-nearly-flush.jpg[img]
No normal person is going to see this and say "wow look at that douchebag". And people in the know will probably chuckle and shake their heads. But to me this strikes the balance of looking good without shouting about it.
So either way it's a lose-lose situation? By not caring you still care? :wtf:
I don't really care what my car looks like or projects to others. I like my car for the way it drives and handles. I do like a nice clean car, or a lowered car on nice wheels like what you've pictured, but I don't really care what the Miata looks like, hence why it's still dented up and dirty on dirty yellow wheels.
The motorcycle, on the other hand, I want everyone to see while I ride by. I don't know why, probably because you can buy a stupid fast liter bike that most people can't ride without killing themselves for a couple grand. Or the fact that you know you're the fastest person on the road riding a bike like that. Having all that power really feeds the ego.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2017, 07:48:19 PM
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2017, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 17, 2017, 06:56:05 PM
I wonder how I look walking up to a Yellow Vette? I'll tell you! HAPPY!!! Who gives a shit what some hater in a clapped out 10 year old Impala thinks....
Exactly! Glad someone gets it.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 17, 2017, 03:42:53 PM
It's called "normcore", where hipsters are so hip that they pull a 360 and end up at their original rotation.
Oh yeah, I've heard that before.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 10:54:45 AM
One thing being an aspiring Camry owner does not give one leave to do is to make fun actual cool cars.
He could maybe make fun of a Versa. Not much else, though.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 08:04:11 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2017, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
I built the car as a tool for the track. A/C, carpets, stereo, etc are not needed on track. It spiraled out of control as a street car but once I stopped daily driving it and started riding my bike to work everyday I went crazy with it. It didn't have a header or stripped interior and still had A/C and a stereo till I bought my motorcycle and stopped driving the car.
Sometimes I just get sad that it sucks so much on the street, but it's not like I'm daily-ing a race car just to say that I am.
So either way it's a lose-lose situation? By not caring you still care? :wtf:
I don't really care what my car looks like or projects to others. I like my car for the way it drives and handles. I do like a nice clean car, or a lowered car on nice wheels like what you've pictured, but I don't really care what the Miata looks like, hence why it's still dented up and dirty on dirty yellow wheels.
The motorcycle, on the other hand, I want everyone to see while I ride by. I don't know why, probably because you can buy a stupid fast liter bike that most people can't ride without killing themselves for a couple grand. Or the fact that you know you're the fastest person on the road riding a bike like that. Having all that power really feeds the ego.
You built a tool for the track because you wanted a tool for the track.
That's ego. I get the feeling you think this is a bad thing. It's not. That's why I tried to explain what I meant
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
Post by: Raza on January 17, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 07:00:00 PM
I got hella compliments on the Z as well, but it still felt douchey to me.
Japanese cars are inherently douchey because of the ricer baggage they carry.
:dance:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: Raza on January 17, 2017, 06:59:12 PM
I get a lot of positive comments in the Z4, from people of all ages, races, and genders (well, not all, just the two). But then again, I did have those vandalism problems (which I believe was more territorial than having to do with the car).
I couldn't do yellow, though. Too shouty and loud for my personality.
Well, a Z4 would look terrible in yellow anyway.
I would totally rock a yellow Elise though, for example. 'Vettes look good in yellow too, though I'd probably go for a blue one.
And when I was considering consolidating vehicles into a Wrangler, I wanted the neon green.
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp324/1989Mustang1989/NewGreen.jpg)
That said, a few years ago, I was a little self conscious about driving the S2000 just because I looked younger then and I imagined people viewing me as some spoiled kid. Now that both myself and the car are a little older, I don't think I look out of place driving it anymore.
Even now, I sometimes avoid mentioning the S2000 to people in Boulder because a lot of people my age struggle to make ends meet and I don't want to come off as if I'm bragging. But that wouldn't keep me from driving it somewhere to avoid being seen in it, and I certainly don't outright lie about it. If it's relevant to a conversation, I usually just call it "my little sports car," and if people care for more details, they'll ask.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Recently you did, but when you first did it you seemed proud from what I remember.
Even people who say they don't care about their cars image do care just by saying so and choosing a car that displays said lack of care.
I care. To me, this looks good. This is the image I want to give off.
(https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/1212-4-2009-camry-toyota-dropped-1-3-str-601-silver-nearly-flush.jpg)
No normal person is going to see this and say "wow look at that douchebag". And people in the know will probably chuckle and shake their heads. But to me this strikes the balance of looking good without shouting about it.
Actually, douchebag is exactly what I think when I see that :lol:
I don't like that at all.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on January 17, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: CALL_911 on January 17, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
Actually, douchebag is exactly what I think when I see that :lol:
I don't like that at all.
Agreed. Either that or Mexican
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2017, 08:30:39 PM
Post by: MrH on January 17, 2017, 08:30:39 PM
Yep. And the tinted headlights and taillights just doubles down on the douche.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:56:57 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 17, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
Agreed. Either that or Mexican
Almost. Needs chrome portholes on the fender to be Mexican.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 17, 2017, 08:30:39 PMWHY DO PEOPLE TINT HEADLIGHTS? That shit played out back in the 80s..........
Yep. And the tinted headlights and taillights just doubles down on the douche.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 09:39:19 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2017, 09:39:19 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 17, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE TINT HEADLIGHTS? That shit played out back in the 80s..........
If you really don't want lights, wouldn't it be easier to just leave them turned off, or perhaps remove the bulbs to avoid any temptation?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 17, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
Post by: 68_427 on January 17, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/10fna7m.jpg)
(http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~hurley/PS_Projects/2011_Camry_SE_2.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/mrnarga/photo4.jpg)
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg503/unRaTeD11/20120814_134212.jpg)
(http://www.vhoist.com/uploaded_images/garage/101879/14055_101879_full.jpg)
(http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~hurley/PS_Projects/2011_Camry_SE_2.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/mrnarga/photo4.jpg)
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg503/unRaTeD11/20120814_134212.jpg)
(http://www.vhoist.com/uploaded_images/garage/101879/14055_101879_full.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 10:38:18 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 10:38:18 PM
:zzz:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 17, 2017, 10:38:18 PM
:zzz:
I gotchu bro
(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12644705_10208620982223054_6697879190134855655_n.jpg?oh=2cdf921de97e6df35710407c2391554c&oe=591D66B0)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 10:56:53 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 17, 2017, 10:56:53 PM
:rockon:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Lol POS El Camino can't even stay parked without breaking down and smoking. Camry is obviously better. :devil:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 11:12:11 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 17, 2017, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 17, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Lol POS El Camino can't even stay parked without breaking down and smoking. Camry is obviously better. :devil:
Knocked a cone over cuz it's so ugly, too.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 18, 2017, 04:34:01 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 18, 2017, 04:34:01 AM
Different strokes.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 18, 2017, 08:55:44 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 18, 2017, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 04:21:51 PM
All jokes aside, I did feel like a dbag walking up to the Z sometimes. I do prefer to keep a low profile. I don't want a car that says anything about me, which is part of why I kind of don't like German cars. I don't want to be "that guy".
I never felt like a dbag, but I will say one thing I like about my new car is that it is a lot quieter looking than the S4. Non-car people see it as an economy car. I used to get people talking to me about my Audi all the time (Oh, is it a V8??? How much power does it have????) even though there was nothing particularly special about it (other than the way it looked and it was a German sedan).
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Tave on January 18, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
Post by: Tave on January 18, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
I can dig variety for its own sake. If it makes you happy that's all that matters.
Still think it'll handle like a Camry without enough suspension travel, which is to say like crap without the tradeoff in comfort. I never liked the Camry interior, either.
My gut reaction looking at those pictures is, "Oh, that must've started out as a birthday gift to a teenager with too much disposable income."
Still think it'll handle like a Camry without enough suspension travel, which is to say like crap without the tradeoff in comfort. I never liked the Camry interior, either.
My gut reaction looking at those pictures is, "Oh, that must've started out as a birthday gift to a teenager with too much disposable income."
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 18, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Post by: Raza on January 18, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: Tave on January 18, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
I can dig variety for its own sake. If it makes you happy that's all that matters.
Still think it'll handle like a Camry without enough suspension travel, which is to say like crap without the tradeoff in comfort. I never liked the Camry interior, either.
My gut reaction looking at those pictures is, "Oh, that must've started out as a birthday gift to a teenager with too much disposable income."
They do have a "hand-me-down gone wrong" vibe to it. Like when my neighbor gave his step-son his old A4 1.8T convertible and he put cheap Sears Tire Center chrome wheels on it and tinted the windows.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: r0tor on January 18, 2017, 06:54:49 PM
Post by: r0tor on January 18, 2017, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Recently you did, but when you first did it you seemed proud from what I remember.
Even people who say they don't care about their cars image do care just by saying so and choosing a car that displays said lack of care.
I care. To me, this looks good. This is the image I want to give off.
(https://images.customwheeloffset.com/web/1212-4-2009-camry-toyota-dropped-1-3-str-601-silver-nearly-flush.jpg)
No normal person is going to see this and say "wow look at that douchebag". And people in the know will probably chuckle and shake their heads. But to me this strikes the balance of looking good without shouting about it.
I think that image says "I got stuck with a Camry and am trying to make the best of it"
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 18, 2017, 09:11:35 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 18, 2017, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 17, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
Better, but all of those rims are too big and most of the body kits look dumb.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 18, 2017, 09:51:41 PM
Post by: 68_427 on January 18, 2017, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 18, 2017, 09:11:35 PM
Better, but all of those rims are too big and most of the body kits look dumb.
Agree the wheels are too big, but I was just trying to make a point that lowering a Camry doesn't have to look douchey. Although I think it helps that all except the wheels on the first white one are completely OEM Toyota parts.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 93JC on January 18, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
Post by: 93JC on January 18, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 17, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE TINT HEADLIGHTS?
I imagine those people are all big fans of Stevie Wonder and/or Ray Charles and have always wanted to know what it's like to not be able to see shit.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 20, 2017, 04:20:24 AM
Post by: Raza on January 20, 2017, 04:20:24 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/ec/13/adec13084e704c288ef574715bad9860.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
"Hey guys I want a roomy reliable car"
"How about a 20 year old 3 series?"
"How about a 20 year old 3 series?"
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 08:03:00 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 08:03:00 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
"Hey guys I want a roomy reliable car"
"How about a 20 year old 3 series?"
"$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD"
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5966204915.html
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5959654326.html
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5964387498.html
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on January 20, 2017, 08:17:08 AM
Post by: MX793 on January 20, 2017, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
"Hey guys I want a roomy reliable car"
"How about a 20 year old 3 series?"
By 20 year old German car standards, those are quite reliable. Not like we're recommending 20 year old Jags.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 08:22:43 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 08:22:43 AM
Quote from: MX793 on January 20, 2017, 08:17:08 AM20 yrs ago, various German marques had the bright idea to use biodegradable electric harnesses. No thx brah.
By 20 year old German car standards, those are quite reliable. Not like we're recommending 20 year old Jags.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 20, 2017, 08:40:36 AM
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 20, 2017, 08:40:36 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 20, 2017, 08:22:43 AM
20 yrs ago, various German marques had the bright idea to use biodegradable electric harnesses. No thx brah.
Why does 12,000 RPM hate the environment?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 09:03:53 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 09:03:53 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 20, 2017, 08:40:36 AM
Why does 12,000 RPM hate the environment?
Party lines. One must choose an issue on which to disagree with the party, so one can appear independent.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 20, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 20, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 08:03:00 AMThat Evo is nice!
"$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD"
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/5966204915.html
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5959654326.html
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5964387498.html
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 01:47:27 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 20, 2017, 01:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 20, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
That Evo is nice!
Super nice, and invisible kids can fit in the back.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 21, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
Post by: Raza on January 21, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
Evos are plenty roomy.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 22, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Post by: 68_427 on January 22, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Yeah that gen lancer isn't actually that bad interior wise
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 22, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Post by: Raza on January 22, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 22, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Yeah that gen lancer isn't actually that bad interior wise
I think the interior is bagged on relentlessly, but it's really not that awful:
(http://www.roadfly.com/new-cars/wp-content/uploads/gallery/2007-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-interior.jpg)
The X is better, though:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/8441836+w750/112_0803_36z+2008_mitsubishi_EVO_X+interior.jpg)
Wait, wait. This is reopening my desire for an Evo.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 23, 2017, 04:36:26 AM
Post by: Raza on January 23, 2017, 04:36:26 AM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&modelCode1=LANCEREVO&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D19123%26showcaseOwnerId%3D102543%26startYear%3D2008%26endYear%3D2017%26modelCodeList%3DLANCEREVO%26transmissionCode%3DMAN%26makeCodeList%3DMIT%26transmissionCodes%3DMAN%26modelCode1%3DLANCEREVO%26mmt%3D%255BMIT%255BLANCEREVO%255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26featureCodes%3D1132%26showcaseListingId%3D417081856%26makeCode1%3DMIT%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D0&showcaseOwnerId=102543&showcaseListingId=417081856&startYear=2008&numRecords=25&makeCode1=MIT&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&searchRadius=0&listingId=442763561&makeCode1=MIT&modelCode1=LANCEREVO
There's probably wiggle room there. And Evo forums say baby seats fit just fine.
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7031
They say 2 babby fit.
http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-x-general/566820-2-baby-seats-back.html
But, fair play, the trunk can be tight. But still, it's worth a look. Evo X is as fun and sensible as a family car can get. You can even get an automatic SST model if you want.
EDIT:
This link even has pictures!
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/03/2012-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-car-seat-check/
This makes the idea of having kids more palatable to me (albeit only 1%, but it's nice to know that I would be able to drive my brother's kids around when he has them).
There's probably wiggle room there. And Evo forums say baby seats fit just fine.
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7031
They say 2 babby fit.
http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-x-general/566820-2-baby-seats-back.html
But, fair play, the trunk can be tight. But still, it's worth a look. Evo X is as fun and sensible as a family car can get. You can even get an automatic SST model if you want.
EDIT:
This link even has pictures!
https://www.cars.com/articles/2012/03/2012-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-car-seat-check/
This makes the idea of having kids more palatable to me (albeit only 1%, but it's nice to know that I would be able to drive my brother's kids around when he has them).
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 05:35:05 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 05:35:05 AM
EVO would be awful for me on many reasons. Louder than my Civic, worse interior, 4 banger engine note, abysmal gas mileage and AWD I moved out of NYC to avoid ever needing again. One of my childhood friends had a ~700WHP EVO.... all it was good for was going fast in a straight line and scaring passengers. No thx
I am coming around to the G again, just on the strength of cost. Only mods it would need are coilovers and pads/fluid/rotors. Still going to test as many different vehicles as possible but I'm open.
I am coming around to the G again, just on the strength of cost. Only mods it would need are coilovers and pads/fluid/rotors. Still going to test as many different vehicles as possible but I'm open.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 23, 2017, 11:14:19 AM
Post by: Laconian on January 23, 2017, 11:14:19 AM
Want my convertible? ;) You can make it lighter by removing the PRHT guts!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
O yea, I forgot you had that. Why the change to the Miata? What happened to IWTO?
This weekend I drove wife's car a lot as I was working on the Civic and we had to shuttle the dogs around. Rabbit's squishiness definitely slows me down. I think for my license's sake I need to at least consider a car that isn't fun to drive and doesn't goad me into finding every apex. That's the other issue.
This weekend I drove wife's car a lot as I was working on the Civic and we had to shuttle the dogs around. Rabbit's squishiness definitely slows me down. I think for my license's sake I need to at least consider a car that isn't fun to drive and doesn't goad me into finding every apex. That's the other issue.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on January 23, 2017, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: Rich on January 23, 2017, 12:23:17 PM
Wasn't that the reason for 350Z -> Civic?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 23, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Post by: Laconian on January 23, 2017, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
O yea, I forgot you had that. Why the change to the Miata? What happened to IWTO?
With my husband working at Google, we carpool for most of our miles, and so I don't need a more utilitarian car (big trunk, four seats, etc.) I do still need a second car for when our schedules diverge. So, why not have a toy? It's the saner, less death-wishy version of me getting a motorcycle.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 12:59:03 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 12:59:03 PM
Quote from: Rich on January 23, 2017, 12:23:17 PMPart of it. Civic is fun in its own ways though. I think the next step has to be something with an automatic transmission
Wasn't that the reason for 350Z -> Civic?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
So you're saying you can't own anything that is fun to drive at all because you can't handle yourself? :confused:
You ride a motorcycle that is far more fun + capable of exceeding any posted limits than your Civic, let alone anything else you can buy for $20k or less...
You ride a motorcycle that is far more fun + capable of exceeding any posted limits than your Civic, let alone anything else you can buy for $20k or less...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Yea but self preservation kicks in heavy on the bike. I can have fun without going completely ape shit. Just trying to kick bad habits behind the wheel.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 01:20:10 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Yea but self preservation kicks in heavy on the bike. I can have fun without going completely ape shit. Just trying to kick bad habits behind the wheel.
Sounds like you need an El Camino then. No overdrive so you won't speed on the highway as much. And you won't drive like a madman around town as much because you'll run out of gas before you get to work. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 01:22:09 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Yea but self preservation kicks in heavy on the bike. I can have fun without going completely ape shit. Just trying to kick bad habits behind the wheel.
Automatic V6 Camry will not help you kick bad habits. You will be doing 100 everywhere without realizing. You need a 1996 Ford Escort with an automatic ... and coilovers.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 02:05:13 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 02:05:13 PM
Or a Town Car on 24's. Preferably Forgiatos (http://forgiato.com/wheels/luminoso/girato-l/). And the paint job should reflect your favorite cereal or fast food brand.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on January 23, 2017, 02:08:05 PM
Post by: Rich on January 23, 2017, 02:08:05 PM
Low and slow baby. 60s low rider impala.
You like something lowered and something to get you to just cruise in also. It has a bunch of room for kids too
You like something lowered and something to get you to just cruise in also. It has a bunch of room for kids too
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 02:09:52 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 02:09:52 PM
Or.... LS400.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 23, 2017, 02:12:27 PM
Post by: MrH on January 23, 2017, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
So you're saying you can't own anything that is fun to drive at all because you can't handle yourself? :confused:
You ride a motorcycle that is far more fun + capable of exceeding any posted limits than your Civic, let alone anything else you can buy for $20k or less...
You seriously think any of this is ever going to make any sense?
"I need a boring car so I don't get speeding tickets"
"It needs to run the quarter mile in the 14s"
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 02:57:17 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 02:05:13 PM
Or a Town Car on 24's. Preferably Forgiatos (http://forgiato.com/wheels/luminoso/girato-l/). And the paint job should reflect your favorite cereal or fast food brand.
Or CANDY BARS
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Xer0 on January 23, 2017, 03:58:30 PM
Post by: Xer0 on January 23, 2017, 03:58:30 PM
With all of this new information rolling in, obviously the only correct choice is a Versa S. Big and roomy for the baby seats, coils and sways away from being able to corner like a GTR, and slow to keep you from getting any tickets.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 23, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on January 23, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 12:59:03 PMCUT MY LEGS OFF AT THE KNEES AND CALL ME SHORTY!!!!!!!!!!
Part of it. Civic is fun in its own ways though. I think the next step has to be something with an automatic transmission
Quote from: Rich on January 23, 2017, 02:08:05 PM:rockon:
Low and slow baby. 60s low rider impala.
You like something lowered and something to get you to just cruise in also. It has a bunch of room for kids too
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2017, 02:12:27 PM:clap:
You seriously think any of this is ever going to make any sense?
"I need a boring car so I don't get speeding tickets"
"It needs to run the quarter mile in the 14s"
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 01:11:43 PMWHEN YOU GET TIRED OF PAYING THOSE HIGH ASS INSURANCE RATES YOU'LL SLOW DOWN! But seriously no matter what you drive it's gonna bring the beast out of you! Even more so if you lower it and put fancy coil overs on it! Just buy a nice SPORTS sedan and drive it stock because when you do have kids all that extra money for Modding is gonna be GONE!!! :cheers:
Just trying to kick bad habits behind the wheel.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Tave on January 23, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
Post by: Tave on January 23, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
Save until the kid arrives and buy a Canyon minidiesel w a big cab.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Honestly, if you want to slow down, buy a 4Runner. Body on frame SUVs are not fun to drive fast.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 23, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Honestly, if you want to slow down, buy a 4Runner. Body on frame SUVs are not fun to drive fast.
Till you slam it on coils. 200mph Land Cruiser FTW
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MrH on January 23, 2017, 05:46:49 PM
Post by: MrH on January 23, 2017, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Honestly, if you want to slow down, buy a 4Runner. Body on frame SUVs are not fun to drive fast.
4Runner is always the right choice, but there's no way sporty could ever bring himself to copy me :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Honestly, if you want to slow down, buy a 4Runner. Body on frame SUVs are not fun to drive fast.
That depends. I drove Rodeo like a race truck.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:56:25 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on January 23, 2017, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 23, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
That depends. I drove Rodeo like a race truck.
Well, at least heavy body on frame SUVs. I haven't driven the current gen, but the last gen wasn't exactly a sports truck.
The Explorer is a little scary sometimes on the curvy mountain roads lol. Gotta watch your speed going into corners, especially coming back down of the mountain.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 23, 2017, 06:02:38 PM
Post by: Raza on January 23, 2017, 06:02:38 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 23, 2017, 05:35:05 AM
EVO would be awful for me on many reasons. Louder than my Civic, worse interior, 4 banger engine note, abysmal gas mileage and AWD I moved out of NYC to avoid ever needing again. One of my childhood friends had a ~700WHP EVO.... all it was good for was going fast in a straight line and scaring passengers. No thx
I am coming around to the G again, just on the strength of cost. Only mods it would need are coilovers and pads/fluid/rotors. Still going to test as many different vehicles as possible but I'm open.
1. Is it louder than your Civic? I haven't driven an Evo X, but I've read it's much more civilized than the VIII and IX.
2. The interior isn't that bad; certainly not appreciably worse than the Civic's (the Civic's is better, but it's not like it's a Rolls Royce compared to the Evo).
3. Yes, it's a four cylinder, but it sounds pretty good unless you go messing around with obnoxious aftermarket exhausts (which is true for like 95% of cars).
4. Okay, you've got gas mileage. 17/22 is bad.
5. AWD isn't some snow-only thing. It's got advantages in the rain and even in the dry as well. AWD =/= floaty CUV with snow tires.
6. You don't have to make your Evo ~700whp. That has nothing to do with a stock Evo, which is fun and practical from factory. One of my friends modified his Miata to the point that he doesn't enjoy driving it on the road anymore, that has no bearing on what stock Miatas are like. I don't see your point. :huh:
7. Yeah, the G is probably the best car for you, unfortunately.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on January 23, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
Post by: Raza on January 23, 2017, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2017, 02:12:27 PM
You seriously think any of this is ever going to make any sense?
"I need a boring car so I don't get speeding tickets"
"It needs to run the quarter mile in the 14s"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2017, 02:12:27 PM
You seriously think any of this is ever going to make any sense?
"I need a boring car so I don't get speeding tickets"
"It needs to run the quarter mile in the 14s"
Don't forget lowering it so that it rides like shit.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
Post by: Cookie Monster on January 23, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
By the time he weighs it down with Highlander brakes and a minivan transmission the damn thing won't be running 14s anymore.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 23, 2017, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: 68_427 on January 23, 2017, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
Don't forget lowering it so that it rides like shit.
No worse than a lifted truck :rolleyes:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 11:20:11 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 23, 2017, 10:27:00 PM
No worse than a lifted truck :rolleyes:
...my truck isn't lifted.:rolleyes:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on January 23, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Post by: 68_427 on January 23, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 11:20:11 PM
...my truck isn't lifted.:rolleyes:
Fine no worse than a truck period if you're not an idiot who turns the damping up all the way
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 23, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: 68_427 on January 23, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
Fine no worse than a truck period if you're not an idiot who turns the damping up all the way
Right.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 25, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 25, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on January 25, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on January 25, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 25, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Left.
Eh, straight.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Rich on January 27, 2017, 10:20:13 AM
Post by: Rich on January 27, 2017, 10:20:13 AM
http://jalopnik.com/how-cheap-does-a-chrysler-200-have-to-be-before-you-wou-1791695460
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 27, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on January 27, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
The situation is even crazier used. $13-15K for a fully loaded 15 V6. The question is how much faith you have in Chrysler. I'd rather gamble on an older Camry
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
Cryslur 200s are so fast, though. And quite frankly, its V6 makes better sounds than the Camry's.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2017, 12:27:47 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 27, 2017, 12:27:47 PM
Or for the same money, you could have the terribly pathetic Nissan Versa S,
:lockedup:
:lockedup:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on January 27, 2017, 12:32:50 PM
Post by: Laconian on January 27, 2017, 12:32:50 PM
SportyTwoHundredy!
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 27, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
Post by: SJ_GTI on January 27, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: Laconian on January 27, 2017, 12:32:50 PM
SportyTwoHundredy!
Just rolls right off the tongue. Seems like kismet.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 09, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 09, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
Here is a real Sporty Accordy for $5200
(https://images.craigslist.org/00X0X_1NaBymrWpWt_1200x900.jpg)
https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5981064586.html
(https://images.craigslist.org/00X0X_1NaBymrWpWt_1200x900.jpg)
https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/5981064586.html
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on February 09, 2017, 10:04:47 PM
Post by: 68_427 on February 09, 2017, 10:04:47 PM
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb329/MischiefTV/MISCHIEF%20VEHICLES/Daniels%20Rides/DanielG_8-11-19.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 10, 2017, 01:33:03 AM
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 10, 2017, 01:33:03 AM
yes
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 68_427 on February 10, 2017, 01:47:55 AM
Post by: 68_427 on February 10, 2017, 01:47:55 AM
I think I know someone who has a G37S 6MT....
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
Apparently you just need to keep your current car. And for some reason, avoid duck?
(https://i.redd.it/4dzmss69m1fy.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/4dzmss69m1fy.jpg)
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 11:56:56 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 11:56:56 AM
Whats unmanly about duck? Most people in this country only eat the ducks they've shot themselves, which I would think would be more macho, right?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
Apparently you just need to keep your current car. And for some reason, avoid duck?
(https://i.redd.it/4dzmss69m1fy.jpg)
What the fuck?
https://twitter.com/tonyzaret?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Can't figure this guy out
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
What the fuck?
https://twitter.com/tonyzaret?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Can't figure this guy out
I found the image on the "Gatekeeping" subreddit, which is basically just people making fun of other people for saying "Only REAL [insert noun] do [insert verb clause]."
It just so happened that the two cars pictured were relevant to this thread. :lol:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 12:12:45 PM
Though after actually looking at his Twitter feed, I can only hope it's all satire...
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 12:13:34 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 12:12:45 PM
Though after actually looking at his Twitter feed, I can only hope it's all satire...
It's bad satire. He probably is a writer for SNL.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 12:13:34 PM
It's bad satire. He probably is a writer for SNL.
ZING
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
The only reason why SNL is doing "well" these days is because real life has become satire. Trey Parker and Matt Stone siad they're pretty pissed off the last season. It was awful because they got dunked on by the insanity of Trump and real life politics. They didn't know how to top it with their own jokes.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 12:57:16 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
The only reason why SNL is doing "well" these days is because real life has become satire. Trey Parker and Matt Stone siad they're pretty pissed off the last season. It was awful because they got dunked on by the insanity of Trump and real life politics. They didn't know how to top it with their own jokes.
This is true. Baldwin's Trump is so over the top foaming at the mouth it isn't even close to funny. But if he toned it down, he'd be doing it straight.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 01:00:48 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 01:00:48 PM
The Spicer sketch was pretty good, and supposedly Rosie O'Donnell is going to play Bannon.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 01:01:25 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 01:00:48 PM
The Spicer sketch was pretty good, and supposedly Rosie O'Donnell is going to play Bannon.
Are they doing a remote feed from Canada then?
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:07:08 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:07:08 PM
SNL was doing OK well before the election. I've been watching it probably the whole time wifey and I have been together.
(https://news.vice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/snlchart2.gif)
If anything it's been getting a little stale. But over the past few years, specifically before Kristen Wiig, Andy Samberg and Jason Sudekis left, it was awesome. The current cast is not bad
(https://news.vice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/snlchart2.gif)
If anything it's been getting a little stale. But over the past few years, specifically before Kristen Wiig, Andy Samberg and Jason Sudekis left, it was awesome. The current cast is not bad
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 02:11:05 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 02:11:05 PM
A little stale? SNL is a moldy loaf of shit bread.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:37:38 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 02:11:05 PMContinually extreme opinions/assessments render them all useless.
A little stale? SNL is a moldy loaf of shit bread.
And if SNL is "a moldy loaf of shit bread", when was it fresh? Only legit time I could say is maybe during the Will Ferrell era, whose take on GWB was equally over the top and ridiculous. Beyond that SNL has been pretty much continually awful right to the beginning.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on February 10, 2017, 02:37:58 PM
Post by: MX793 on February 10, 2017, 02:37:58 PM
I admittedly haven't watched SNL in years, but it goes through phases where it is great with a great cast, and then phases where it's mediocre.
High points include the following casts:
The early seasons (late 70s, early 80s) when you had Dan Akroyd, John Belushi, Bill Murray, Gilda Radner, and Jane Curtain
The late 80s and early 90s when you had Mike Meyers, Dana Carvey, Chris Farley, and Phil Hartman
The later 90s with Will Ferrell, Chris Parnell, Molly Shannon, Tim Meadows, and Darrell Hammond
Mid 2000s with Andy Samberg, Tina Fey, Jason Sudeikis, Will Forte
High points include the following casts:
The early seasons (late 70s, early 80s) when you had Dan Akroyd, John Belushi, Bill Murray, Gilda Radner, and Jane Curtain
The late 80s and early 90s when you had Mike Meyers, Dana Carvey, Chris Farley, and Phil Hartman
The later 90s with Will Ferrell, Chris Parnell, Molly Shannon, Tim Meadows, and Darrell Hammond
Mid 2000s with Andy Samberg, Tina Fey, Jason Sudeikis, Will Forte
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2017, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:37:38 PM
Continually extreme opinions/assessments render them all useless.
And if SNL is "a moldy loaf of shit bread", when was it fresh? Only legit time I could say is maybe during the Will Ferrell era, whose take on GWB was equally over the top and ridiculous. Beyond that SNL has been pretty much continually awful right to the beginning.
Will Ferrel, Dennis Miller, Jim Belushi.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on February 10, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:37:38 PM
Continually extreme opinions/assessments render them all useless.
And if SNL is "a moldy loaf of shit bread", when was it fresh? Only legit time I could say is maybe during the Will Ferrell era, whose take on GWB was equally over the top and ridiculous. Beyond that SNL has been pretty much continually awful right to the beginning.
It was an analogy stemming from your use of the word stale. chill bro :wtf:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 10, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
I find everything from before the mid 00s to be pretty much unwatchable, save for Will Ferrell and some best of stuff from the early days. It's been pretty consistent over the last decade IMO.
I think it's largely generational. It's very topical and in tune with the times.
I think it's largely generational. It's very topical and in tune with the times.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 03:44:56 PM
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 03:44:56 PM
I loved Chris Kattan. Not a versatile actor but funny as f*ck
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
Even most of the sketches from the "golden years" of SNL sucked. People just forget about those and remember the funny ones.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: MX793 on February 10, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
Post by: MX793 on February 10, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 10, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
Even most of the sketches from the "golden years" of SNL sucked. People just forget about those and remember the funny ones.
True. Even in the best years there was a fair bit of mediocrity. I felt that In Living Color was consistently funnier than SNL, and in the early 90s SNL had one of its stronger/funnier casts, but one has been on air for over 40 years and the other fizzled after 5.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
IMO peak SNL was the Jim Carrey episode with the Will Ferrell era cast, when they were fresh.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 10, 2017, 05:41:31 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 10, 2017, 05:41:31 PM
SNL still comes on??????? :zzz:
Quote from: MX793 on February 10, 2017, 05:25:06 PM:hesaid:
True. Even in the best years there was a fair bit of mediocrity. I felt that In Living Color was consistently funnier than SNL, and in the early 90s SNL had one of its stronger/funnier casts, but one has been on air for over 40 years and the other fizzled after 5.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: Laconian on February 10, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
DAG, Damon Wayans, Jim Carrey, they were freaking awesome.
Still, Mr. Show beats them all.
Still, Mr. Show beats them all.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on February 10, 2017, 08:15:06 PM
Post by: Raza on February 10, 2017, 08:15:06 PM
Even my Constitutional Law professor ragged on SNL's genuinely low quality for decades now. But the political stuff they're doing now has me cracking a smile and maybe even laughing now and then.
And duck is vastly superior to chicken.
And duck is vastly superior to chicken.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: Raza on February 10, 2017, 08:15:06 PMAnd boudin noir is vastly superior to hot dogs. Good luck finding boudin noir in a French restaurant, let alone a supermarket in the US. God I miss France.
Even my Constitutional Law professor ragged on SNL's genuinely low quality for decades now. But the political stuff they're doing now has me cracking a smile and maybe even laughing now and then.
And duck is vastly superior to chicken.
That said, Aldis carries whole frozen duck during the holidays.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 10:43:07 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 10:43:07 AM
Re: thread- going to see about an E60 535i, ~10 Camry V6 SE, and if I have the time a G37 later today. When wifey gets back from out of town though we will probably start seriously shopping for an RDX.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on February 11, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on February 11, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Why an RDX? Are you guys gonna check out the new CRV?
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Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 11, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 11, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 10:43:07 AM
Re: thread- going to see about an E60 535i, ~10 Camry V6 SE, and if I have the time a G37 later today. When wifey gets back from out of town though we will probably start seriously shopping for an RDX.
Please, allow me: :wtf:
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Post by: Xer0 on February 11, 2017, 12:47:44 PM
Post by: Xer0 on February 11, 2017, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 11, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Why an RDX? Are you guys gonna check out the new CRV?
The V6 in those is pretty nice and you can get a decent deal on them. IIRC, it's also larger than a CRV.
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Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 03:18:13 PM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 03:18:13 PM
Quote from: Xer0 on February 11, 2017, 12:47:44 PMYea, this and this.
The V6 in those is pretty nice and you can get a decent deal on them. IIRC, it's also larger than a CRV.
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Camry V6 was sold before I got there :facepalm: I did get to drive the E60 535i though. It was fully loaded, sport package, navigation, the works.
Pros:
- BMW seem to make its steering racks out of granite. Felt really solid.
- Handling and ride were really good. Felt as nimble as the modded Civic for sure, felt comfortable right away.
- Engine pulled strong... stronger than the E90 335i I sampled a while back for sure.
- Interior was really nice.... very nice place to be, definitely a step up from the 3er
- Roomy
- Auto trans doesn't sap the fun it seems
Cons:
- Stupid shifter (auto)
- 1st gen IDrive is abysmal. Possibly a deal breaker. Amazing to see how far infotainment has come
- Felt like it needed some new bushings. Shocks felt tight, but it was a little jiggly over bumps. I know BMWs chew through those like Flinstones vitamins.
- No fucking BT audio!
- Engine pulled strong but I didn't get much sense of the sound. I could probably live with a 4 banger if it pulls as hard which I imagine it would with the 8AT.
All in all pretty impressive, but still too flawed to seriously consider. Gonna try the F30 328i next, back to back with a G37S (there's a BMW dealer not far from an Infiniti dealer near me). Gotta try a new GTI too
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on February 11, 2017, 10:59:44 PM
Post by: Raza on February 11, 2017, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
And boudin noir is vastly superior to hot dogs. Good luck finding boudin noir in a French restaurant, let alone a supermarket in the US. God I miss France.
That said, Aldis carries whole frozen duck during the holidays.
Where I live, I can get duck everyday. You chose to move to the middle of nowhere. :devil:
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 11, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 11, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
Quote from: Raza on February 11, 2017, 10:59:44 PM
Where I live, I can get duck everyday. You chose to move to the middle of nowhere. :devil:
The ducks are fresher in the country
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Raza on February 12, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
Post by: Raza on February 12, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 11, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
The ducks are fresher in the country
Only if you shoot them yourself.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 12, 2017, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 12, 2017, 07:15:00 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 11, 2017, 03:18:13 PM
Yea, this and this.
Camry V6 was sold before I got there :facepalm: I did get to drive the E60 535i though. It was fully loaded, sport package, navigation, the works.
Pros:
- BMW seem to make its steering racks out of granite. Felt really solid.
- Handling and ride were really good. Felt as nimble as the modded Civic for sure, felt comfortable right away.
- Engine pulled strong... stronger than the E90 335i I sampled a while back for sure.
- Interior was really nice.... very nice place to be, definitely a step up from the 3er
- Roomy
- Auto trans doesn't sap the fun it seems
Cons:
- Stupid shifter (auto)
- 1st gen IDrive is abysmal. Possibly a deal breaker. Amazing to see how far infotainment has come
- Felt like it needed some new bushings. Shocks felt tight, but it was a little jiggly over bumps. I know BMWs chew through those like Flinstones vitamins.
- No fucking BT audio!
- Engine pulled strong but I didn't get much sense of the sound. I could probably live with a 4 banger if it pulls as hard which I imagine it would with the 8AT.
All in all pretty impressive, but still too flawed to seriously consider. Gonna try the F30 328i next, back to back with a G37S (there's a BMW dealer not far from an Infiniti dealer near me). Gotta try a new GTI too
I bet there is an engine sound volume adjustment hidden somewhere in those iDrive menus.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 12, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 12, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
Quote from: Raza on February 12, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
Only if you shoot them yourself.
Then, you have to worry about chipping a tooth.
But they're still better than farm ducks.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 12, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 12, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 12, 2017, 07:15:00 AMNaw this was back before ActiveSound™. Strangely the same engine sounds way louder in my boss' E90.
I bet there is an engine sound volume adjustment hidden somewhere in those iDrive menus.
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: CALL_911 on February 12, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
Post by: CALL_911 on February 12, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
The E90 has a different exhaust, and a better sounding one too
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Post by: 68_427 on February 12, 2017, 09:37:37 AM
Post by: 68_427 on February 12, 2017, 09:37:37 AM
Also less sound deadening inside and probably a different intake design
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: GoCougs on February 12, 2017, 03:39:02 PM
Post by: GoCougs on February 12, 2017, 03:39:02 PM
Just get the G37 and kill this bish thread
Title: Re: $20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 12, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 12, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on February 12, 2017, 03:39:02 PMWORD.....
Just get the G37 and kill this bish thread