Simple question. What do you think your next car will be?
From most desirable to least desirable IMO
Fiesta ST
(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Ford/th1/Ford-Fiesta-ST-5-Door-Concept-1.jpg)
Sonic RS
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/12/2013-chevrolet-sonic-rs-628.jpg)
Fiat 500T
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/08/2013-fiat-500t-concorso.jpg)
Fiesta 1.0T
(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Ford/th1/2013-Ford-Fiesta-Facelift-1.jpg)
Fiat 500T
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/08/2013-fiat-500t-concorso.jpg)
Chevrolet Spark* (If the powertrain gets fixed....)
(http://media.windingroad.com/autos_db/thumbnails/_DSC4670_jpg_900x900_q100_jpg_677x1000_q100.jpg)
Basically, something small, a hatchback with a stickshift. Maybe faster than what I got now. Spark isn't, but I still actually really like it.
Assuming my plan to wait 5 years...
2014 Cadillac ATS-V convertible? Shame it probably won't be a V8, though.
Would be be very interested in seeing what the next CTS coupe looks like, too.
2014 BMW 4-series convertible would be a strong contender as well.
Other likely candidates: 2012 Audi A7, BMW 6-series, or Merc E550 coupe. At least I know what those cars look like for sure.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 30, 2012, 08:34:12 PM
Basically, something small, a hatchback with a stickshift.
Same basic criteria for me, but probably not those. I'd lean toward a used Mazda2, which is great for the city. Though I'd need to see if I've found the clutch any friendlier for parallel parking on a hill.
Quote from: ifcar on September 30, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
Same basic criteria for me, but probably not those. I'd lean toward a used Mazda2, which is great for the city. Though I'd need to see if I've found the clutch any friendlier for parallel parking on a hill.
Gearing is too short for my tastes, I would like something a little faster.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 30, 2012, 08:44:20 PM
Gearing is too short for my tastes, I would like something a little faster.
Not a problem for me; I live in the city. It's got plenty of low-speed pep, better low-speed steering feel than the other small cars (where you only get anything good closer to the limits). Its problems are a touchy clutch (hopefully easy enough to get used to) and that it's not great on the highway, which isn't a top criteria for me.
If I'm still working st the dealer, my car will likely be a used Chevy or something
Depends on the timeline. If I need to buy something within 2 years then likely an E46 330i sedan. If I need to buy something within 3-4 years then likely a new hatchback such as a Mazda3 or Elantra GT (likely be in grad school and won't want both a car payment and maintenance expenses) or maybe whatever I can find for <~$5k. If the Outback holds on through grad school then something along the lines of a new GTI or WRX.
(http://cimages.carsforsale.com/271508/22E390C2-2ED7-48EE-B2E8-36BF2E9540A1_1.jpg)
There are no others.
I honestly have no clue. I'll keep the Z4 for years. When it goes from daily driver to weekend sports car, I'll probably try and find something simple but sporty that's from now or the last few years. Something like a Viggen would be awesome, but at that point they'd be 15 years old and a complete unknown as far as maintaining them. I could see myself in something like an A3 2.0T if we get the new model that looks really good. But I don't really know. 5 years or so from now could end up as many different things. I don't even know what I'll be doing a year from now, let alone 5.
I have no idea. I don't want to replace another car right now so I haven't even thought about what I'd replace the ES with. A replacement (or addition to the stable) is entirely possible in about 3-4 years, and inevitable within 6-7. The budget will vary greatly based off timing, but will luckily be more significant than the recent shopping adventure.
2012 Toyota Camry. :( :partyon:
Another Corvette.........
2008 Shelby GT500 Convertible
(http://autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20120529/COLLECTOR/120529796/V2/0/2008-Shelby-GT500-Convertible.jpg)
...or a 2011-2012 Mustang GT Convertible
(http://www.boston.com/cars/newsandreviews/overdrive/assets_c/2010/08/2011-Ford-Mustang-GT-Convertible-rear-thumb-607x337-17733.jpg)
Right now, I want one of these.
(http://autoambush.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hrdp_0911_01_z+factory_five_33_hot_rod+paint_job1.jpg)
Instead of a 302 Ford, I'd put in a turbo 13b and 5 speed. Just for fun. And since it's tube frame and modern suspension, I'd do all that I can to keep it light and handle like a dream.
Quote from: hotrodalex on September 30, 2012, 11:41:18 PM
Right now, I want one of these.
(http://autoambush.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hrdp_0911_01_z+factory_five_33_hot_rod+paint_job1.jpg)
Instead of a 302 Ford, I'd put in a turbo 13b and 5 speed. Just for fun. And since it's tube frame and modern suspension, I'd do all that I can to keep it light and handle like a dream.
This is a factory Five kit?
I can't myself changing for a while. Maybe winter will change my mind. Winter is coming.
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 01, 2012, 12:21:44 AM
Yup.
Interesting (although I'd still probably choose the Type 65 if I were to ever do that)
Yeah, those are pretty sweet too. I'd be cool with having one of each of their kits. :lol:
New? I have no idea because it's not made yet. I have no need for a new car. If I had to take a stab at it I'd say an very used RX-7 as another toy car. Or some kind of small pickup truck.
Mazda Miata.
It could be any random well priced used mid sizer / wagon right now.
I've pretty much decided I will look to replace the C6 at the end of next year (CY13). It'll be approaching 8 years old at that time (took delivery Feb '06). I won't be in a rush, so if I have to order something and wait a few months, that's fine.
There are really only two candidates to replace it - the C7, which I'll see in Detroit next Jan, or a 991. Very likely to lean towards a vert in either case. I really like the 991, it will be interesting to see how the C7 turns out, plus of course the price difference is huge.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 01, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
There are really only two candidates to replace it - the C7, which I'll see in Detroit next Jan, or a 991. Very likely to lean towards the vert in either case.
You're not worried about scalp burn?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28188.msg1787087#msg1787087 date=1349106346
You're not worried about scalp burn?
I'll have to leave a hat in the car at all times.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 01, 2012, 09:47:20 AM
I'll have I leave a hat in the car at all times.
You're not worried about it blowing off your head when driving?
Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 09:49:57 AM
You're not worried about it blowing off your head when driving?
I'll bring a backup.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 01, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
I'll bring a backup.
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Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 09:55:33 AM
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I have a Tilley with a highly functional chin strap, but prefer baseball cap for driving.
Theres a few different scenarios. No matter what though, I want to sell the bike and get something else.
We get out of here + both get jobs (most ideal). Thats actually kind of tough. 94-95 Accord EX 5spd wagon for DD duties, and an Aprilia RSV4 for the track + thrills. If I got serious about track riding I would prob get a cheap little Ninja 250 or GS500 to learn on. Wagon would get built nicely. H23 VTEC, legit suspension, nice SQ biased little system w/the in dash screen, HID projector retrofit. Maybe a turbocharger + Quaife LSD if $$$ allowed. A little chassis bracing + stiffening pillar foam. It would be a real keeper.
We get out of here + only one of us gets a job (most likely). Wifey can't drive stick and we would have to share 1 car. I would prob spring for an old Maxima, or maybe a 2003ish Accord V6 coupe. Bike wise I would probably get a Suzuki SV1000S and do 2-3 track days a year.
We don't get out of here anytime soon (worst case scenario). Probably 2 bikes. 1 for me alone, 1 for me + wifey to tour + shop on. Depending on how the $$$ goes, I'd either get a VTR1000F + Bandit 1200S on the cheap side, or an SV1000S + Sprint 1050 on the expensive side. Would def have to do a lot of riding etc to justify costs, but that's OK. We could plan around that.
...an Accord? Seriously? :facepalm: :lol:
Broaden your horizons man.
Especially an accord coupe, so many better coupes for similar price. Maybe a sedan if you wanted 4 drs.
Seriously, the only cars you've had have been Accords and Maximas.
I think I can see where he's coming from. Once you've had a bike you don't really need a "fun" car, and he likes building, so that way he can build something relatively fun on a budget that's unique and practical while still getting his thrills on a bike.
Miata or S2000 or some SUV pickup type thing. :huh:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 11:24:18 AM
I think I can see where he's coming from. Once you've had a bike you don't really need a "fun" car, and he likes building, so that way he can build something relatively fun on a budget that's unique and practical while still getting his thrills on a bike.
The mentality being that since you have fun 5% of the time you drive, you're fine not having fun the other 95% of the time?
I don't buy it. I have a sports car. When I get another car to be a daily driver, I won't need it to be as fun as my sports car, but I would still want it to be fun. Something like a Golf GTI or TDI would fit the bill. I wouldn't go buy a fucking Toyota Matrix just because I have one fun car.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 11:24:18 AM
I think I can see where he's coming from. Once you've had a bike you don't really need a "fun" car, and he likes building, so that way he can build something relatively fun on a budget that's unique and practical while still getting his thrills on a bike.
Exactly. Believe me, I thought about a lot of other cars, and the 94-95 Accord makes the most sense for me.
Initially I thought about a coupe. Either an old Sentra w/an SR20VE or DET, or an E36 M3. If wifey gets something versatile maybe I will go that route. But with a subwoofer, my cargo capacity would be limited... a wagon would help salvage that. Especially once kids enter the picture. Plus all the other wagon options are kind of meh. Audi, BMW, VW... expensive and potentially finicky (shame we didn't get an E36 wagon). Plus they don't have the easy tickets to power the Accord does (aside from the 1.8t VWAGs). Don't need or want AWD so Subaru is out. Swedes actually do kind of appeal to me, and Saabs are dirt cheap now. I would try a V70 T5 5 speed but I bet they are rare as FUCK. There are some newer options but they just don't appeal to me, for the $$$. Mazda3/6? I could buy + build the Accord for a decent one. Focus SVT sounds killer but I can't stand the looks. 93-97 Corolla is a little too spartan + doesn't have any easy swaps and is hard as hell to find in stickshift. Etc. Accord wag 5spd is rare, but I know all its demons and can have it pretty much exactly how I want for what a newer more boring car would cost. Not really stressed about missing out on other cars, there's always family and more importantly always BIKES.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wotlYc8S3Rw#t=1m20s
That's MPH!!!! What car can do that AND turn for $4000??????????? I like cars but I like bikes much much more.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28188.msg1787158#msg1787158 date=1349115183
The mentality being that since you have fun 5% of the time you drive, you're fine not having fun the other 95% of the time?
I don't buy it. I have a sports car. When I get another car to be a daily driver, I won't need it to be as fun as my sports car, but I would still want it to be fun. Something like a Golf GTI or TDI would fit the bill. I wouldn't go buy a fucking Toyota Matrix just because I have one fun car.
Not sure what part of a car on double wishbones all around w/a shifter from God and an engaging motor with anywhere from 220-300 HP doesn't sound fun to you, but to each his own, which I thought was the point of the thread. Folks seem to forget, I've driven a decent range of cars, and while I liked a lot of them ultimately the cost benefit to actually own them isn't there for me. Don't want to sink or commit to a 5 digit car and w/my experience + skills + interests I don't have to. Plus shit like this is pretty fleeting for me, I might want something totally different if/when the time actually comes. But right now that is what sounds good to me.
Again I could still go completely left and go Swedish. Old 9-5 wags are def not looking bad right now.
With kids on the horizon an old accord would not be a wise choice nor a coupe for that matter.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 12:31:00 PM
Not sure what part of a car on double wishbones all around w/a shifter from God and an engaging motor with anywhere from 220-300 HP doesn't sound fun to you, but to each his own, which I thought was the point of the thread. Folks seem to forget, I've driven a decent range of cars, and while I liked a lot of them ultimately the cost benefit to actually own them isn't there for me. Don't want to sink or commit to a 5 digit car and w/my experience + skills + interests I don't have to. Plus shit like this is pretty fleeting for me, I might want something totally different if/when the time actually comes. But right now that is what sounds good to me.
Again I could still go completely left and go Swedish. Old 9-5 wags are def not looking bad right now.
An old 9-5 Aero wagon, now that's something I can get behind.
I'd also look at 2.0T A3s. 2.0Ts are crazy easy to get more power from. $600 chip bumps you up to 250hp and 290lb-ft.
Akin to what I have now (AWD performance sedan) but not sure what; probably Japanese. Still eager to see 3rd gen G sedan; needs (and will likely have) more power, better AT, and more refinement.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 09:58:16 AM
Theres a few different scenarios. No matter what though, I want to sell the bike and get something else.
We get out of here + both get jobs (most ideal). Thats actually kind of tough. 94-95 Accord EX 5spd wagon for DD duties, and an Aprilia RSV4 for the track + thrills. If I got serious about track riding I would prob get a cheap little Ninja 250 or GS500 to learn on. Wagon would get built nicely. H23 VTEC, legit suspension, nice SQ biased little system w/the in dash screen, HID projector retrofit. Maybe a turbocharger + Quaife LSD if $$$ allowed. A little chassis bracing + stiffening pillar foam. It would be a real keeper.
We get out of here + only one of us gets a job (most likely). Wifey can't drive stick and we would have to share 1 car. I would prob spring for an old Maxima, or maybe a 2003ish Accord V6 coupe. Bike wise I would probably get a Suzuki SV1000S and do 2-3 track days a year.
We don't get out of here anytime soon (worst case scenario). Probably 2 bikes. 1 for me alone, 1 for me + wifey to tour + shop on. Depending on how the $$$ goes, I'd either get a VTR1000F + Bandit 1200S on the cheap side, or an SV1000S + Sprint 1050 on the expensive side. Would def have to do a lot of riding etc to justify costs, but that's OK. We could plan around that.
Why the fuck is a successful guy like you looking at buying some old bag-of-bones 10-year-old car? WTF man?
:lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on October 01, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Why the fuck is a successful guy like you looking at buying some old bag-of-bones 10-year-old car? WTF man?
:lol:
That's another thing. I mean, I can understand buying a modern mainstreamer if you have no interest in driving your daily driver hard, but why go for an old, cramped, less comfortable, and less safe version of it to put your kids into?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28188.msg1787158#msg1787158 date=1349115183
The mentality being that since you have fun 5% of the time you drive, you're fine not having fun the other 95% of the time?
I don't buy it. I have a sports car. When I get another car to be a daily driver, I won't need it to be as fun as my sports car, but I would still want it to be fun. Something like a Golf GTI or TDI would fit the bill. I wouldn't go buy a fucking Toyota Matrix just because I have one fun car.
So, you give him shit for wanting a practical yet fun-to-drive lightweight wagon, yet you say you'd buy the exact same thing... :hammerhead: :wtf:
Honestly, you guys underestimate 90's Hondas. I had a shit ton of fun in my friend's old '92 Civic base sedan 5 speed. It was hilarious to chuck into corners since it weighed less than my Miata, the clutch/shifter was actually decent to use even though it was beat to shit and it was overall a blast. A car with more HP, coilovers or stiffer suspension and a better gearbox would be a blast, all while hauling all of your shit around too.
Plus, as long as he doesn't go crazy with the exterior mods, he would have a great sleeper.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 01:24:39 PM
So, you give him shit for wanting a practical yet fun-to-drive lightweight wagon, yet you say you'd buy the exact same thing... :hammerhead: :wtf:
Old Accord <> Fun and practical hatchback
You could make it fun, but you can't really make it practical. Besides, you know how I feel about mods. Just buy a car they built right in the first place (most of the time).
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 01:24:39 PM
So, you give him shit for wanting a practical yet fun-to-drive lightweight wagon, yet you say you'd buy the exact same thing... :hammerhead: :wtf:
Honestly, you guys underestimate 90's Hondas. I had a shit ton of fun in my friend's old '92 Civic base sedan 5 speed. It was hilarious to chuck into corners since it weighed less than my Miata, the clutch/shifter was actually decent to use even though it was beat to shit and it was overall a blast. A car with more HP, coilovers or stiffer suspension and a better gearbox would be a blast, all while hauling all of your shit around too.
Plus, as long as he doesn't go crazy with the exterior mods, he would have a great sleeper.
I used to have a 1990 Honda Accord. It was the first car I selected for myself and bought new, as opposed to buying used or getting as a hand-me-down. It was pretty good to drive, but it strained going up hills if I had people in the car.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 01, 2012, 01:35:08 PM
I used to have a 1990 Honda Accord. It was the first car I selected for myself and bought new, as opposed to buying used or getting as a hand-me-down. It was pretty good to drive, but it strained going up hills if I had people in the car.
It was a good car ... in 1990. But I wouldn't buy an early 90s accord today unless I was just scraping by and it was all I could afford.
My dad had a 3rd gen accord when I was a kid. Bought it new and put about 200k miles on it before selling it (he had and still has a long commute, and racks up miles).
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28188.msg1787209#msg1787209 date=1349119963
Old Accord <> Fun and practical hatchback
You could make it fun, but you can't really make it practical. Besides, you know how I feel about mods. Just buy a car they built right in the first place (most of the time).
How would making the car fun (suspension and power modifications) make it less practical? :huh:
Also, no offense, but you don't even like working on cars so obviously it would seem like a bad idea to you. But the way I see it is, why buy something that thousands of others have built by engineers and bean counters to their specifications, instead of building something unique that's built just the way you like it?
When I have the space, time and money I will always have a project car.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 01, 2012, 01:35:08 PM
I used to have a 1990 Honda Accord. It was the first car I selected for myself and bought new, as opposed to buying used or getting as a hand-me-down. It was pretty good to drive, but it strained going up hills if I had people in the car.
Those cars look so clean. Makes me sad to think of what the Accord has become now. :facepalm:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 01:49:17 PM
How would making the car fun (suspension and power modifications) make it less practical? :huh:
Also, no offense, but you don't even like working on cars so obviously it would seem like a bad idea to you. But the way I see it is, why buy something that thousands of others have built by engineers and bean counters to their specifications, instead of building something unique that's built just the way you like it?
When I have the space, time and money I will always have a project car.
More often than not, the engineers know better than you. They have the time and money to test things out, unlike the average consumer buying something on the internet and going by reviews. No testing, high risk. I'm not saying you can't modify a car into something that does things better than the factory version, I'm saying it's a crapshoot. As I recall, even Sporty has said that he's put on way too harsh suspensions on his cars before and they became less enjoyable to drive.
And as far as practicality, older cars were not packaged as well as newer cars; you can get a smaller overall size for the same amount of interior space. The B5 Passat and A5 Jetta were prime examples of this--the Jetta was significantly smaller on the exterior but basically the same size on the inside. Modifications are also a reliability risk, which makes a modified car inherently less practical than a stock one.
I'm not saying you should never modify a car if that's what you want. But it's generally a losing proposition once you start talking about transforming a car into something that does things it wasn't originally designed to do. Plus, if you want something to haul your kids and their shit around in, more modern cars are much safer than old ones. It doesn't make sense to buy an old car for that reason. And, he makes money, why the hell would he want to buy a beat to death old mainstreamer when he can get a decent car?
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28188.msg1787228#msg1787228 date=1349122227
More often than not, the engineers know better than you. They have the time and money to test things out, unlike the average consumer buying something on the internet and going by reviews. No testing, high risk. I'm not saying you can't modify a car into something that does things better than the factory version, I'm saying it's a crapshoot. As I recall, even Sporty has said that he's put on way too harsh suspensions on his cars before and they became less enjoyable to drive.
And as far as practicality, older cars were not packaged as well as newer cars; you can get a smaller overall size for the same amount of interior space. The B5 Passat and A5 Jetta were prime examples of this--the Jetta was significantly smaller on the exterior but basically the same size on the inside. Modifications are also a reliability risk, which makes a modified car inherently less practical than a stock one.
I'm not saying you should never modify a car if that's what you want. But it's generally a losing proposition once you start talking about transforming a car into something that does things it wasn't originally designed to do. Plus, if you want something to haul your kids and their shit around in, more modern cars are much safer than old ones. It doesn't make sense to buy an old car for that reason. And, he makes money, why the hell would he want to buy a beat to death old mainstreamer when he can get a decent car?
I'll give you the safety aspect, but sporty didn't mention kids, plus he rides a motorcycle, so he probably doesn't care too much about safety at this point. :lol:
Plus, with a lot of research you can better the car with modifications. I researched for a couple of months before deciding on suspension and the only thing I regret about that purchase was not doing it earlier. Yeah, there's a ton of bad parts and mods out there but if you take your time and are smart about it, you can get some great parts and have an even more fun and enjoyable car. Sure, it might turn into a basket case but that's the risk you take.
Besides, there's a lot of enjoyability that comes with researching and wrenching on your own car that you don't get with something stock out of the factory. Different strokes for different folks, but I wouldn't knock him for wanting to do it.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 01, 2012, 02:17:14 PM
I'll give you the safety aspect, but sporty didn't mention kids, plus he rides a motorcycle, so he probably doesn't care too much about safety at this point. :lol:
Plus, with a lot of research you can better the car with modifications. I researched for a couple of months before deciding on suspension and the only thing I regret about that purchase was not doing it earlier. Yeah, there's a ton of bad parts and mods out there but if you take your time and are smart about it, you can get some great parts and have an even more fun and enjoyable car. Sure, it might turn into a basket case but that's the risk you take.
Besides, there's a lot of enjoyability that comes with researching and wrenching on your own car that you don't get with something stock out of the factory. Different strokes for different folks, but I wouldn't knock him for wanting to do it.
He did mention kids:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 12:23:39 PM
Especially once kids enter the picture.
I mean, have a project car or work on you car if you like; that's fine, it doesn't affect me either way. And for some people, doing the work is part of the enjoyment. And that's fine too. But buying an old car like that to modify and then haul your kids around when you have the money to buy something newer, safer, and better from factory doesn't make sense.
If you know what you're doing, you absolutely can build a better car than the factory. Car manufacturers don't wring out every last drop of performance from their cars, especially Accords. They compromise to make it ride nicely and try to reduce costs. And it's also a 15 year old car, so there might be some better technology to improve the handling of the car. (Not familiar with Accord mods, so can't say for sure)
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 01, 2012, 02:28:46 PM
If you know what you're doing, you absolutely can build a better car than the factory. Car manufacturers don't wring out every last drop of performance from their cars, especially Accords. They compromise to make it ride nicely and try to reduce costs. And it's also a 15 year old car, so there might be some better technology to improve the handling of the car. (Not familiar with Accord mods, so can't say for sure)
I'm not saying it can't be done. Just that it's usually not.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 01, 2012, 12:59:22 PM
Akin to what I have now (AWD performance sedan) but not sure what; probably Japanese. Still eager to see 3rd gen G sedan; needs (and will likely have) more power, better AT, and more refinement.
It doesn't need more. Every car could always use more, but it certainly doesn't
need it.
Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 02:10:27 PM
More often than not, the engineers know better than you. They have the time and money to test things out, unlike the average consumer buying something on the internet and going by reviews. No testing, high risk. I'm not saying you can't modify a car into something that does things better than the factory version, I'm saying it's a crapshoot. As I recall, even Sporty has said that he's put on way too harsh suspensions on his cars before and they became less enjoyable to drive.
This argument has never held any water. Maybe for a Lotus Elise or BMW M3, but def not an Accord. Like you said, engineers know better than me, I don't deny that. But their design intent was not mine. They designed the car for a wide range of uses and to offend the smallest cross section of folks possible, as well as to minimize costs. What does that mean. Engine side, super quiet and CHEAP intake + exhaust, w/tiny piping and ECU tuning to match (as well as run on potentially shitty fuel). Suspension side, comfort, suspension travel, understeer, and again low cost components (wack shocks). All these factors can be, and have been IME, changed w/o affecting the car's practicality. I got the suspension right the first (and second) time- I botched it the third time cause I tried to cheap out and didn't have the time or desire to rectify it. Also bought a bad example w/a chassis that was pretty much done.
Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 02:10:27 PMAnd as far as practicality, older cars were not packaged as well as newer cars; you can get a smaller overall size for the same amount of interior space. The B5 Passat and A5 Jetta were prime examples of this--the Jetta was significantly smaller on the exterior but basically the same size on the inside. Modifications are also a reliability risk, which makes a modified car inherently less practical than a stock one.
Packaging matters in tight urban areas. And in any case Accord wagon still meets my size reqs. If they made a new Civic wagon I would jump on that. EP3 is actually an idea. Some mods affect reliability but not really. Intake, if the filter element sucks thats a threat. But my dad hydrolocked a stock I35. Exhaust, zero threat. Quality suspension components are built to higher spec than OEM. Quality stereo equipment is made by the same companies that make OEM. Cosmetics = zero reliability threat.
Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 02:10:27 PMI'm not saying you should never modify a car if that's what you want. But it's generally a losing proposition once you start talking about transforming a car into something that does things it wasn't originally designed to do. Plus, if you want something to haul your kids and their shit around in, more modern cars are much safer than old ones. It doesn't make sense to buy an old car for that reason. And, he makes money, why the hell would he want to buy a beat to death old mainstreamer when he can get a decent car?
Transforming a car would be turning the wagon into a clapped out road racer, or rolling hibachi grill. All I'd be doing would be replacing stock components with upgraded ones. OEM engine, better than OEM suspension, better than OEM intake + exhaust, better than OEM stereo with better than OEM wiring.
I think you need to drive a modified car to see what all the hoopla is about (if you haven't). No OEM is going to spec a family car with an intake that screams. Barring the 6-6 Coupe and the Civic Sis Honda has never really got the damping 100% correct for my tastes. I haven't heard an OEM stereo with bass to my tastes. And a newer, more expensive, more complicated, heavier car won't rectify that. Even as I drove the Ferrari I was thinking "man this is awesome but the sound could be a little more uncorked".
Quote from: Raza on October 01, 2012, 02:22:57 PM
He did mention kids:
I mean, have a project car or work on you car if you like; that's fine, it doesn't affect me either way. And for some people, doing the work is part of the enjoyment. And that's fine too. But buying an old car like that to modify and then haul your kids around when you have the money to buy something newer, safer, and better from factory doesn't make sense.
Newer yes. Safer yes. Better? By what metric(s)? If I enjoy the car and it does what I need it to do, how would a different car be any better?
Quote from: dazzleman on October 01, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Why the fuck is a successful guy like you looking at buying some old bag-of-bones 10-year-old car? WTF man?
:lol:
I know your HOA requires you to drive a newish luxury car but I am looking to avoid them completely :evildude:
Naw but seriously it doesn't phase me. I prefer old cars for a lot of reasons. And they are a lot more durable than they used to be. Swap the engine, keep rolling.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 02:51:41 PM
I know your HOA requires you to drive a newish luxury car but I am looking to avoid them completely :evildude:
Naw but seriously it doesn't phase me. I prefer old cars for a lot of reasons. And they are a lot more durable than they used to be. Swap the engine, keep rolling.
I'm about to get kicked out of the neighborhood because my car is a 2006 model year.... :lol:
Sporty, I see your arguments and will dissect them and show you how wrong you are in detail when I get home and can use my entire computer screen to see your nonsensical drivel. :tounge:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 02:47:53 PM
I haven't heard an OEM stereo with bass to my tastes.
E46 3 series with the upgraded Harmon Kardon stereo kicks pretty well.
August 2013 - Wife will need a car since we won't be living walking distance from campus any more. Will be looking for the best low-end bang-for-the-buck zero down lease.
spring 2015 - I should have enough $ to buy a toy. My car will still be my DD, therefore toy must be a droptop with an American V8. I figure a C6 convertible can probably be had for <$13k by then.
Quote from: 850CSi on October 01, 2012, 03:07:07 PM
August 2013 - Wife will need a car since we won't be living walking distance from campus any more. Will be looking for the best low-end bang-for-the-buck lease.
Fuck that, GTO.
Quote
spring 2015 - I should have enough $ to buy a toy. My car will still be my DD, therefore toy must be a droptop with an American V8. I figure a C6 convertible can probably be had for <$13k by then.
I doubt that. C5s don't cost that little now.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=28188.msg1787313#msg1787313 date=1349125718
Fuck that, GTO.
:lol:
Even if she was willing to drive my car, I has no ca$h money.
QuoteI doubt that. C5s don't cost that little now.
That might be a slightly optimistic number, but my cousin is also a dealer/goes to auctions so that makes it considerably easier. If not, I'd probably spring for a 'Stang GT. In any case, I think it'll need to be a drop top.
ETA: Plus, used cars in general are expensive right now. Hopefully not the case in 2 years.
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 01, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
E46 3 series with the upgraded Harmon Kardon stereo kicks pretty well.
Havent heard anything like my 12" Alpine Type-R, bass wise.
If I can somehow come up with $ to sell my car and get an FRS, I'd love to do it.
Realistically, I'm going to drive my car until the wheels fall off and probably replace it with a used 3-series in the future. This is talking ~10 years in the future.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Havent heard anything like my 12" Alpine Type-R, bass wise.
I hear ya. I've got two 10" Rockford Fosgates, Infiniti Kappa component speakers, Sony GT700HD head unit and a 5 channel Clarion amp. No stock system I've ever heard has come close.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 01, 2012, 04:37:26 PM
I hear ya. I've got two 10" Rockford Fosgates, Infiniti Kappa component speakers, Sony GT700HD head unit and a 5 channel Clarion amp. No stock system I've ever heard has come close.
In the Focus? That must bang with the hatch. Next system I build, I would love to mess with a passive radiator and really save some space.
GC8 Impreza or Outback LL Bean with Macintosh stereo.
TDI Jetta wagon.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 05:27:50 PM
In the Focus? That must bang with the hatch. Next system I build, I would love to mess with a passive radiator and really save some space.
It was awesome. It's all going in the Explorer now. Just trying to design a box that will fit with the third row up or down.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Havent heard anything like my 12" Alpine Type-R, bass wise.
Well obviously it's not up to the level of 600 watt subs. But it'll still kick enough to be able to feel it in your chest. Enough that I wouldn't bother upgrading it unless a speaker blew or something.
next car is a Sequoia Limited. We're keeping the car for several more years but the Durango is getting long in the tooth now so we're moving up in size and the most comfy by a long shot is the Toyota. Probably going to be around June.
Quote from: rohan on October 02, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
next car is a Sequoia Limited. We're keeping the car for several more years but the Durango is getting long in the tooth now so we're moving up in size and the most comfy by a long shot is the Toyota. Probably going to be around June.
One of these?
(http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/107931/2010-Toyota-sequoia-i01.jpg)
Yeah, they're pretty comfy. Slept in one overnight when I went camping and was too lazy to set up the tent in the rain. :lol:
That is one of the greatest attributes of larger SUVs. Fuck setting up tents any time, and especially in the rain!
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 01, 2012, 05:27:50 PM
In the Focus? That must bang with the hatch. Next system I build, I would love to mess with a passive radiator and really save some space.
While designing the new box for the Explorer, I realized I built the last box too small. 25% too small. Shit, this is going to sound much better than the old one.
I still really want an old Viggen as a daily driver in a couple of years. Fuck how hard the ownership experience will be, it's worth it.
Who knows? Possibilities that I like today:
Golf
F80/82 M3
911
Boxster S
535i
Evoque
None of those will happen soon except big maybe the Golf.
Quote from: Raza on October 02, 2012, 11:12:19 AM
I still really want an old Viggen as a daily driver in a couple of years. Fuck how hard the ownership experience will be, it's worth it.
That's what my old man thought (with a Saab, not a Viggen however). It wasn't. :lol: Too bad, 'cause they're cool!
Quote from: rohan on October 02, 2012, 12:44:36 AM
next car is a Sequoia Limited. We're keeping the car for several more years but the Durango is getting long in the tooth now so we're moving up in size and the most comfy by a long shot is the Toyota. Probably going to be around June.
My brother has a Sequoia Limited ... I like it, but it's too big IMO, I like my 4Runner better. But, I don't have kids.
Haven't decided yet which car I'll replace first. Part of me thinks my next car will be a replacement for the Mazda. I don't drive it a lot, but the body rust is starting to get pretty bad. In which case, I'll go for something used and preferably a hatch. AWD would be nice as well. I'm thinking Impreza or Outback Sport.
Then again, maybe I'll just keep driving the Mazda until the wheels fall off. I'm down to only driving it a few thousand miles a year since it's largely relegated to winter duty, so it's not like I'm racking up a ton of miles on it. In which case, I'll probably look to replace the Mustang in 2 years. I'll have to see what's on the market. If the next generation Mustang still offers the engine I've got in a lighter, sharper handling package, it could be a winner. Would also be open to a BRZ, especially if they offer one with a bit more low-end power at a reasonable price.
Truthfully, I think my next vehicle purchase will be of the 2-wheeled variety. The new Ninja 1000 has really caught my fancy.
Decisions decisions....
Quote from: J86 on October 02, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
That's what my old man thought (with a Saab, not a Viggen however). It wasn't. :lol: Too bad, 'cause they're cool!
There's always the MkVI GTI.
But Viggens are so awesome. And since I'll have two at the time, the fact that it might not be all that reliable isn't an issue. I'll just take the BMW instead.
Yeah, with two cars, fuckit!
Quote from: J86 on October 02, 2012, 09:12:49 PM
Yeah, with two cars, fuckit!
And, following the Sporty model, Viggens will be dirt cheap in a few years. I'm already seeing two and four door models selling for $4500-6500.
If I could pick up a Viggen for about 4-5k, that might be my next car. Thinking of selling the WRX to pay off debt.
Like this: http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/ctd/3234331307.html
Quote from: S204STi on October 02, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
Like this: http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/ctd/3234331307.html
Buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it.
:lol:
Need to sell A before I buy B. But that may be in the works soon.
Hilariously, with just 30k fewer miles and 7 years newer, mine is worth about 10k more.
Fuck that, GTO.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 01, 2012, 02:35:54 PM
It doesn't need more. Every car could always use more, but it certainly doesn't need it.
Definitely needs more power and another gear and preferably in DSG guise; competition is competitive.
BRZ STI, M3, or 911.
Another possibility is a second vehicle like a CX-5, new Mazda6, WRX or STI...something like that.
BRZ will probably stick around for 4 or 5 years though. I'm trying to get it paid off in the next year or so and go without a car payment for awhile.
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2012, 09:32:51 AM
BRZ STI, M3, or 911.
Another possibility is a second vehicle like a CX-5, new Mazda6, WRX or STI...something like that.
BRZ will probably stick around for 4 or 5 years though. I'm trying to get it paid off in the next year or so and go without a car payment for awhile.
You should get a used Element MT.
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2012, 09:32:51 AM
BRZ will probably stick around for 4 or 5 years though. I'm trying to get it paid off in the next year or so and go without a car payment for awhile.
Since you'll have the BRZ paid off so soon and already bought a house, why not awhile with "ever again" ?
Quote from: Lebowski on October 03, 2012, 11:24:32 AM
Since you'll have the BRZ paid off so soon and already bought a house, why not awhile with "ever again" ?
Actually, you're right. There won't be any more car payments after this car. No reason to.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 03, 2012, 09:46:02 AM
You should get a used Element MT.
I do :wub: those cars. It'd be an awesome people and shit hauler.
Quote from: MX793 on October 02, 2012, 05:50:01 PM
Haven't decided yet which car I'll replace first. Part of me thinks my next car will be a replacement for the Mazda. I don't drive it a lot, but the body rust is starting to get pretty bad. In which case, I'll go for something used and preferably a hatch. AWD would be nice as well. I'm thinking Impreza or Outback Sport.
Then again, maybe I'll just keep driving the Mazda until the wheels fall off. I'm down to only driving it a few thousand miles a year since it's largely relegated to winter duty, so it's not like I'm racking up a ton of miles on it. In which case, I'll probably look to replace the Mustang in 2 years. I'll have to see what's on the market. If the next generation Mustang still offers the engine I've got in a lighter, sharper handling package, it could be a winner. Would also be open to a BRZ, especially if they offer one with a bit more low-end power at a reasonable price.
Truthfully, I think my next vehicle purchase will be of the 2-wheeled variety. The new Ninja 1000 has really caught my fancy.
Decisions decisions....
N1K is such a damn beast...
Quote from: GoCougs on October 03, 2012, 08:50:54 AM
Definitely needs more power and another gear and preferably in DSG guise; competition is competitive.
More for the sake of more is why a lot of cars today don't make much sense. If anything the next G would benefit from less... weight that is.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 03, 2012, 02:15:11 PM
N1K is such a damn beast...
To clarify, I'm talking Ninja 1000 (the fully fared variant of the Z1000) and not the ZX10-R.
Quote from: MX793 on October 03, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
To clarify, I'm talking Ninja 1000 (the fully fared variant of the Z1000) and not the ZX10-R.
I know. Its still a beast. ~125 to the wheels stock, just under 500 fueled up, decent suspenders. Wish they made something like it 10-15 years ago, I'd be all over it.
Something to watch out though... your insurance might try to give you a policy for a ZX10R... they see the name ZX1000 and assume ZX10R.
Quote from: MrH on October 03, 2012, 02:02:11 PM
I do :wub: those cars. It'd be an awesome people and shit hauler.
The only two belts in the rear kind of kill me. Otherwise, it's a great car. I had a passive interest in one before my Yaris, and I'm trying to get my brother (who used to drive a Grand Prix) to buy one.
I don't think anyone here has not sold a car, as in just keep it. As in, never sell it.
I'm going to be the first :mask:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 03, 2012, 04:59:37 PM
I don't think anyone here has not sold a car, as in just keep it. As in, never sell it.
I'm going to be the first :mask:
:nono:
That'll be me. I think I've owned mine longer.
Quote from: MX793 on October 03, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
To clarify, I'm talking Ninja 1000 (the fully fared variant of the Z1000) and not the ZX10-R.
I got all excited until I realized the Ninja 1000 isn't a ZX10R. :rage:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 03, 2012, 04:59:37 PM
I don't think anyone here has not sold a car, as in just keep it. As in, never sell it.
I'm going to be the first :mask:
*raises hand*
I'm keeping the 3er until it dies.
I think Onslaught will be the winner, actually. He's had his Miata for a long time.
Quote from: thecarnut on October 03, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
I got all excited until I realized the Ninja 1000 isn't a ZX10R. :rage:
N1K is a ZX10R for people who are honest with themselves.
My buddy's R1 was cool. But after ~2 hours of riding he was beat up and ready to go home. I rode home (another 90 mins, on top of the 90 mins I rode to get out to him) and went to the gym. N1K gives up not a lot on the street, to make for a bike thats ridable.
I'll be keeping the A4 for another 50,000 miles or so. It's pretty much perfect for Houston--powerful, comfortable, sexy, handles well but the ride isn't hard like the 3-series, fun, and sounds great.
I'll never get over how good it sounds. I know I talk about it too much, but I'll have to hold onto it for awhile because it doesn't get old.
If the upcoming IRS Mustang turns out to be as good as we all hope for it to be, I might just go the 2-car route and pick up a GT convertible while holding onto the Caddy.
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 03, 2012, 08:07:31 PM
I think Onslaught will be the winner, actually. He's had his Miata for a long time.
+1 :praise:
Quote from: hotrodalex on October 02, 2012, 01:03:28 AM
One of these?
(http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/107931/2010-Toyota-sequoia-i01.jpg)
Yeah, they're pretty comfy. Slept in one overnight when I went camping and was too lazy to set up the tent in the rain. :lol:
Yup only in a different color.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 02, 2012, 05:49:21 PM
My brother has a Sequoia Limited ... I like it, but it's too big IMO, I like my 4Runner better. But, I don't have kids.
I've driven one for a weekend and it was a perfect size for us. Huge for a single person perfect for a family. Second row is so far from the driver seats there's no way kids can possibly kick the back which would make it worth every single penny for me. I love my kids- until they start kicking my seat....:rage:
Quote from: rohan on October 07, 2012, 08:48:01 AM
Yup only in a different color.
I've driven one for a weekend and it was a perfect size for us. Huge for a single person perfect for a family. Second row is so far from the driver seats there's no way kids can possibly kick the back which would make it worth every single penny for me. I love my kids- until they start kicking my seat....:rage:
Awesome, I love the Sequoia. Toyota makes some awesome SUVs and trucks. In fact, they're probably my favorite manufacturer for that whole segment. The Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, and Sequoia are all some of my favorites.
What color are you going for?
Our Explorer is about as big as I want to go. The problem is that hardly anything out there is that size anymore. The new Durango is my favourite SUV right now but it's noticeably larger than my Explorer. Oh well, I'm driving the Explorer till it dies and that will be a long long time. Especially since I'll be buying a Mustang in the next 2-3 years and the Explorer will be relegated to towing the boat and ski hill duty. We'll probably have the Explorer for another 15 years.
SVT666 what about a CUV? Something like the RAV-4's size
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 10, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
SVT666 what about a CUV? Something like the RAV-4's size
Can't pull my boat. Besides, I'm keeping the Explorer until it dies because it's going to be relegated to towing and ski trip duty in the next few years when I get the Mustang.
Quote from: MrH on October 10, 2012, 06:39:06 AM
Awesome, I love the Sequoia. Toyota makes some awesome SUVs and trucks. In fact, they're probably my favorite manufacturer for that whole segment. The Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, and Sequoia are all some of my favorites.
What color are you going for?
The sequoia is brutally fast for a 6,600 pound SUV at about 6.1 0-60 has truck frame and 4x4 ability ton and tons of storage area and still manages to ride almost as good as a car get about 20mpg (yes I know it's not listed at 20 but it'll get it) and is really really quiet. And we like the medium grey or silver cuz they look good w tinted windows.
The only thing I don't like about the Sequoia/Tundra is the weirdass dashboard. That said, I'd probably buy one if I had to buy something in that segment.
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 11, 2012, 09:06:04 PM
The only thing I don't like about the Sequoia/Tundra is the weirdass dashboard. That said, I'd probably buy one if I had to buy something in that segment.
Erica can't reach the radio controls. :lol: she will have to use the steering wheel controls. I'm not a huge fan of the strange layout of the center console on the sequoia but the vehicle just overall out-classes everything in the large SUV segment IMO.
I would take a Chevy Tahoe or GMC Yukon. They're better looking and have the most bulletproof V8 in the industry. I think it's the only GM product I would actually take over the competition.
The Sequoia is indeed tops in the segment; even better than more upscale rigs. Thing is the styling is indeed all goofy especially the interior (dashboard).
Quote from: SVT666 on October 10, 2012, 09:57:05 AM
Our Explorer is about as big as I want to go. The problem is that hardly anything out there is that size anymore. The new Durango is my favourite SUV right now but it's noticeably larger than my Explorer. Oh well, I'm driving the Explorer till it dies and that will be a long long time. Especially since I'll be buying a Mustang in the next 2-3 years and the Explorer will be relegated to towing the boat and ski hill duty. We'll probably have the Explorer for another 15 years.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg/800px-VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg)
Quote from: Galaxy on October 12, 2012, 09:07:04 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg/800px-VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg)
No 3rd row
Quote from: Galaxy on October 12, 2012, 09:07:04 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg/800px-VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg)
Too small and can't tow my boat.
Quote from: Galaxy on October 12, 2012, 09:07:04 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg/800px-VW_Touareg_V8_TDI_%28II%29_%E2%80%93_Frontansicht_%281%29%2C_2._Juli_2011%2C_D%C3%BCsseldorf.jpg)
That would be my choice. A damn good looking SUV.
SVT, why can't it tow your boat? How much does the Exploder tow? The Toureg has a 7,700 lb rating.
A Touareg broke some huge super duty truck and towed a 747. I think it can handle your little skiff. :devil:
I did not kn ow that the Explorer has a third row. As stated the Touareg should be fine from a towing point of view.
Maybe he thought it was a Tiguan. :lol:
Quote from: thecarnut on October 12, 2012, 11:34:23 AM
Maybe he thought it was a Tiguan. :lol:
That's not the Tiguan?
Besides, it doesn't matter. The Explorer is staying until it falls apart.
I would love a Sequoia.
Quote from: MrH on October 10, 2012, 06:39:06 AM
Awesome, I love the Sequoia. Toyota makes some awesome SUVs and trucks. In fact, they're probably my favorite manufacturer for that whole segment. The Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, and Sequoia are all some of my favorites.
What color are you going for?
Would rather have the real HiLux though. Better styling inside and out, more offroad capable. ;)
That said, I've always loved the 4Runner. FJ is cool, and I would've considered it, but the interior is horrific.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 12, 2012, 10:19:50 AM
No 3rd row
Solved.
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2010/10/31/503913.1-lg.jpg)
(There's room for a 7th wheel. :lol:)
Quote from: Raza on October 12, 2012, 10:58:17 AM
A Touareg broke some huge super duty truck and towed a 747. I think it can handle your little skiff. :devil:
Even the Tiguan can probably hack towing most recreational boats. For some odd reason it's rated to 2,200 pounds in the US but 4,000 pounds everywhere else in the world.
As long as someone has the 4Motion to get it up slippery ramps it'd be fine.
Quote from: TurboDan on October 13, 2012, 12:55:33 AM
Would rather have the real HiLux though. Better styling inside and out, more offroad capable. ;)
That said, I've always loved the 4Runner. FJ is cool, and I would've considered it, but the interior is horrific.
I highly doubt the HiLux is more off road capable than the Taco. IMO, the Taco looks better too.
HiLux
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P7w2J5pY8RA/TiVtqtI_jrI/AAAAAAAABas/IYPSwjvv_gY/s1600/nova-toyota-hilux_2012-remodelada.jpg)
Tacoma
(http://www.houseofjapan.com/images/2012/09/2013toyotatacomagal.jpg)
The only iteration of the HiLux that is more off road capable and looks better is the one modified by Arctic Trucks:
(http://autokult.pl/images/2011/07/Toyota-Hilux-Arctic-Truck.jpg)
Quote from: TurboDan on October 13, 2012, 12:57:03 AM
Solved.
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2010/10/31/503913.1-lg.jpg)
(There's room for a 7th wheel. :lol:)
Will explode in an untimely fashion, and not much smaller than Tahoe and similar.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 13, 2012, 01:31:24 AM
I highly doubt the HiLux is more off road capable than the Taco. IMO, the Taco looks better too.
The HiLux is more off-road capable in almost every way. Frame is fully boxed, torsion bar suspension and different springs make HiLux handle less well but make it far more offroad capable and capable of carrying much heavier loads.
As pickups go, the Taco is meant to "look tough" to "red blooded American guys" while the Hilux looks more civilized but actually provides the capability under the sheetmetal.
Boxed frame and "different springs" are irrelevant WRT off road prowess. Torsion bars are actually a detriment WRT off road prowess.
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
Audi A6 TDI. DO IT.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
Just get a Miata.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
If I was buying in that segment, I'd be going for the Audis. Best looking, love the AWD, I think some diesel options!
Just because, go test a Jag while you're at it. Something different.
Yup late model Jags are pretty reliable. Also Dave should wait until the Ghibli is released here.
Mine will hopefully be one of these. Hopefully a '95
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Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
I'd honestly go for a Porsche, but I don't see you going that route. M5 would be awesome, and it isn't as though you can't afford it. I don't think you have many expensive hobbies, why not splurge on your car? Also, have you looked at the S6?
If the M5 is ultimately too much car, I'd look at the following:
-335i/535i
-GS350 F-sport
-A6 3.0T
-F-Type?
My next car could be one of several different cars. I'm all over the place, but it could be a used BMW 335i Coupe, 2011 Mustang GT, Audi S5, or Cadillac CTS-V Wagon. No matter what I get though, it will be a car I keep for a very very long time.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
Chevy Impala :neverforget: :erjerbs:
I wonder if the pendulum will have swung the other direction and I'll be looking to tread more lightly with my next car purchase. Getting a V6 was a real indulgence for me, but maybe the allure of the power will have worn off and the developing news about ocean acidification will continue sapping my enthusiasm for automotive excess. I really like my car but sometimes I feel like a shithead when I have fun in it.
Depending on a bunch of factors, but as of right now the soonest purchase is gonna be something 2 wheeled...
But as for a future car - either gonna be something like a S2000 or a Audi A4 wagon (both used obviously)
Quote from: Laconian on October 06, 2013, 10:07:14 PM
I wonder if the pendulum will have swung the other direction and I'll be looking to tread more lightly with my next car purchase. Getting a V6 was a real indulgence for me, but maybe the allure of the power will have worn off and the developing news about ocean acidification will continue sapping my enthusiasm for automotive excess. I really like my car but sometimes I feel like a shithead when I have fun in it.
GTFO
We don't talk like that around here. The next one should be a V8.
Quote from: Laconian on October 06, 2013, 10:07:14 PM
I wonder if the pendulum will have swung the other direction and I'll be looking to tread more lightly with my next car purchase. Getting a V6 was a real indulgence for me, but maybe the allure of the power will have worn off and the developing news about ocean acidification will continue sapping my enthusiasm for automotive excess. I really like my car but sometimes I feel like a shithead when I have fun in it.
Get an electric car for a commuter and keep the G!
Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
I would look into Audis. Bimmer kind of lost their way with the current 5.
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I dont think I am gonna buy another car for a while. My car has a lot of miles but its solid + reliable so far. I'd rather replace the long block than get into something else, at least in the short term. Bike is annoying me. The clip ons are brutal for anything but grocery runs, and the engine vibrations are becoming a general annoyance. I like the SV but if it vibes like mine I kind of don't want it. I want a triple or 4 banger for the next one. Might even go old mannish since I don't need something nimble... this potential job I am looking at is about 35-40 miles away so I would def prefer comfort over agility. I'm thinking, VFR800, Sprint ST 1050, FZ1 etc.
I really want to get an exhaust for the Z. I am thinking custom. Dual 2.5" cat back with electronic cutouts. Also want to upgrade the headlights and get an intake. I would be good with that for a while. Maybe for Xmas if we have a good year.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
Your nephew clearly loves you and wants the best for you.
Seriously, I am in love with the looks of the current 5er. I wouldn't go for an M5 though, even more so since you won't track it. A 550i is plenty fast enough (it has 440hp now), even a 535i is fast enough. The 5er in general was recently face lifted and the steering was improved.
Wild Card for Dave?
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Blech. Besides, if any of his coworkers saw him driving around in a lowly Chrysler, they'd think he is going through hard times and/or just had a lobotomy.
Quote from: Raza on October 07, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
Blech. Besides, if any of his coworkers saw him driving around in a lowly Chrysler, they'd think he is going through hard times and/or just had a lobotomy.
I got pulled over in Dave neighborhood for not being in a new German car/Lexus/Infiniti
They would put him under surveillance
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 07, 2013, 10:10:36 AM
I got pulled over in Dave neighborhood for not being in a new German car/Lexus/Infiniti
I thought you were pulled over because you're black.
But the SRT is badass.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 07, 2013, 12:24:54 PM
But the SRT is badass.
Dave doesn't need badass, he needs comfortable and easy-to-use, with large print numbers on the speedometer, and loud speakers so he doesn't have to wear his hearing aid.
Quote from: Raza on October 07, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
Dave doesn't need badass, he needs comfortable and easy-to-use, with large print numbers on the speedometer, and loud speakers so he doesn't have to wear his hearing aid.
Then he can order one with the Beats sound system.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 01, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
I've pretty much decided I will look to replace the C6 at the end of next year (CY13). It'll be approaching 8 years old at that time (took delivery Feb '06). I won't be in a rush, so if I have to order something and wait a few months, that's fine.
There are really only two candidates to replace it - the C7, which I'll see in Detroit next Jan, or a 991. Very likely to lean towards a vert in either case. I really like the 991, it will be interesting to see how the C7 turns out, plus of course the price difference is huge.
Holy moly is this thread seriously a year old?
Most likely a C7 but I am in no rush, maybe next year. Had my C6 detailed recently and meh, I still really like it.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 07, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
Holy moly is this thread seriously a year old?
Most likely a C7 but I am in no rush, maybe next year. Had my C6 detailed recently and meh, I still really like it.
i really want the C7 but I'll probably end up in another C6 for a few years myself....
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 07, 2013, 07:46:25 AM
Your nephew clearly loves you and wants the best for you.
Seriously, I am in love with the looks of the current 5er. I wouldn't go for an M5 though, even more so since you won't track it. A 550i is plenty fast enough (it has 440hp now), even a 535i is fast enough. The 5er in general was recently face lifted and the steering was improved.
The 535 would do it for me. I don't want a real gas guzzler, as the 550 sure is with its 8-cylinder engine.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 07, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
Holy moly is this thread seriously a year old?
Most likely a C7 but I am in no rush, maybe next year. Had my C6 detailed recently and meh, I still really like it.
Holy crap, I remember when you first got that car, man. Time flies. I can't believe my 5er is going to be 8 years old. You got your 'vette around the same time. I remember my car was brand new when I first met Ron and Greg and we drove around in it in Burlington, Mass, taking it up to 90 mph or so on the highway.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 07, 2013, 10:10:36 AM
I got pulled over in Dave neighborhood for not being in a new German car/Lexus/Infiniti
They would put him under surveillance
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:lol:
I'd get a letter ordering me to sell my house and move.
Quote from: Raza on October 07, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
Dave doesn't need badass, he needs comfortable and easy-to-use, with large print numbers on the speedometer, and loud speakers so he doesn't have to wear his hearing aid.
Does Toyota still make the Avalon? I want a bench seat.
Quote from: Raza on October 07, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
Blech. Besides, if any of his coworkers saw him driving around in a lowly Chrysler, they'd think he is going through hard times and/or just had a lobotomy.
I take the train to work. One thing I don't have to worry about is stupid peer pressure when it comes to cars. Nobody sees what I drive, so I can drive whatever the fuck I want.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 07, 2013, 06:36:32 AM
I would look into Audis. Bimmer kind of lost their way with the current 5.
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I dont think I am gonna buy another car for a while. My car has a lot of miles but its solid + reliable so far. I'd rather replace the long block than get into something else, at least in the short term. Bike is annoying me. The clip ons are brutal for anything but grocery runs, and the engine vibrations are becoming a general annoyance. I like the SV but if it vibes like mine I kind of don't want it. I want a triple or 4 banger for the next one. Might even go old mannish since I don't need something nimble... this potential job I am looking at is about 35-40 miles away so I would def prefer comfort over agility. I'm thinking, VFR800, Sprint ST 1050, FZ1 etc.
I really want to get an exhaust for the Z. I am thinking custom. Dual 2.5" cat back with electronic cutouts. Also want to upgrade the headlights and get an intake. I would be good with that for a while. Maybe for Xmas if we have a good year.
I thought you got rid of your car in New York, and I didn't even think about the fact that you'd need a car down in NC. What are you driving now?
Quote from: dazzleman on October 07, 2013, 06:46:59 PM
Does Toyota still make the Avalon? I want a bench seat.
Toyota makes the Avalon, but it hasn't offered a bench since 2004. There's no current passenger car left with a front bench seat, in fact; the last was the previous Impala. You want a bench, you're shopping truck.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 07, 2013, 06:49:43 PM
I thought you got rid of your car in New York, and I didn't even think about the fact that you'd need a car down in NC. What are you driving now?
He has a 350Z!!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on October 07, 2013, 07:09:12 PM
He has a 350Z!!
:facepalm:
I'm an idiot. I can't keep track these days!
Fiesta 1.0
Quote from: dazzleman on October 07, 2013, 06:46:59 PM
Does Toyota still make the Avalon? I want a bench seat.
Yeah, but the updated styling is too sporty for you, old man. Go with the Impala.
Actually, what do you even need a large car for? Go with the M3!
Quote from: Laconian on October 06, 2013, 10:07:14 PM
I wonder if the pendulum will have swung the other direction and I'll be looking to tread more lightly with my next car purchase. Getting a V6 was a real indulgence for me, but maybe the allure of the power will have worn off and the developing news about ocean acidification will continue sapping my enthusiasm for automotive excess. I really like my car but sometimes I feel like a shithead when I have fun in it.
I drive a car with blowby and no catalytic converters. You wouldn't even die if you left your car running in your garage. Don't worry about it.
AKA, quiet, hippie!
Quote from: dazzleman on October 07, 2013, 06:45:45 PM
Holy crap, I remember when you first got that car, man. Time flies. I can't believe my 5er is going to be 8 years old. You got your 'vette around the same time. I remember my car was brand new when I first met Ron and Greg and we drove around in it in Burlington, Mass, taking it up to 90 mph or so on the highway.
Yep, you and I got our cars at around the same time. Seems like just yesterday I was asking for input on what to get.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 06, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to start working on this. I don't want to just get another 5-er without reviewing the options. Audi is a car I want to consider. I don't think I want to consider Mercedes; I think the demographic image is too old for me. The car just doesn't grab me. I have to test drive the new generation of 5-ers and then think of other options. I was really tempted by the Alpina I saw at the auto show, but I don't think I can bring myself to spend that much money. I was pretty much turned off to Infiniti by those super long grills they're using now. I hate them.
My nephew keeps trying to talk me into an M5. It may be too much money, and of course, gas and insurance will be more.
I have to test drive a couple of Audis and BMWs to get a good idea of the direction I want to go in.
Try a 550i! A friend of mine owns one and it feels every bit an M5 to me. 400+ hp, but downright civil for everyday driving.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 07, 2013, 07:46:25 AM
Your nephew clearly loves you and wants the best for you.
Seriously, I am in love with the looks of the current 5er. I wouldn't go for an M5 though, even more so since you won't track it. A 550i is plenty fast enough (it has 440hp now), even a 535i is fast enough. The 5er in general was recently face lifted and the steering was improved.
+1
Quote from: Lebowski on October 08, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
Yep, you and I got our cars at around the same time. Seems like just yesterday I was asking for input on what to get.
Time flies. I've already had the Z4 for over a year.
Six years for my WRX. I'm planning on driving it indefinitely.
Looking at a car for my wife at the moment. We haven't nailed down exactly what she wants yet. Likely used, spending up to 15k. She prefers a Civic or a Toyota Matrix. I'd like something a bit larger, but her only being 5'1 , car size is a concern for her.
Quote from: S204STi on October 08, 2013, 09:48:57 AM
Six years for my WRX. I'm planning on driving it indefinitely.
Yeah, nothing on the horizon that's a worth Z4 replacement either, except another Z4 of the same generation with a more powerful engine.
Quote from: Raza on October 08, 2013, 09:55:59 AM
Yeah, nothing on the horizon that's a worth Z4 replacement either, except another Z4 of the same generation with a more powerful engine.
The combination of performance and capability isn't really exceeded by much right now, not that I could afford anything else anyway. Unless I someday make enough to snatch an S4 Avant, I don't see myself buying another car.
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(http://www.jaguar.com/content/global/assets_13my/Nameplate/XF/Deep_Headers/LHD_EU_ROW/XF_013_002_LHD-838x365.jpg)
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(http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/featuredcars/epcp_1209_techart_gemballa_speedart/42152853/epcp-1209-06%2Bgemballa-991-porsche-911%2Bgemballa-full-view.jpg)
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Dave, write these down.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 06, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
My next car could be one of several different cars. I'm all over the place, but it could be a used BMW 335i Coupe, 2011 Mustang GT, Audi S5, or Cadillac CTS-V Wagon. No matter what I get though, it will be a car I keep for a very very long time.
I will add the Jaguar XF Supercharged to that list. A 470 hp supercharged V8 is hard to ignore.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 09, 2013, 09:40:40 AM
I will add the Jaguar XF Supercharged to that list. A 470 hp supercharged V8 is hard to ignore.
XF Supercharged is a ridiculous car...not to mention that there's still the 83K XFR and the 99K XFR-S above it. Hell, even a midlevel XF 3.0 has 340 horsepower.
Quote from: Raza on October 09, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
XF Supercharged is a ridiculous car...not to mention that there's still the 83K XFR and the 99K XFR-S above it. Hell, even a midlevel XF 3.0 has 340 horsepower.
Yup. The XFR is holding it's value pretty well, but the XF Supercharged is somewhat affordable now on the used market.
I want Dave to buy an F-type.
Dave should look at banana Benz and all dat azz Audi A7
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Quote from: SVT666 on October 09, 2013, 10:49:50 AM
Please Sporty, turn off the signature on Tapatalk.
Why
I don't know how
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Why? Because it's annoying. Go into Tapatalk settings and turn off Signature. It's easy.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 09, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
Why
I don't know how
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Because it's dumb is why!
Sent from my couch using my computer
Sent from my girlfriend's couch in my girlfriend's house using my girlfriend's computer.
I own nothing
Lol tapatalk automatically formats any "sent from" string if you view it in the app.
Okay seriously the phrase sent from is all you need?
Yes it is. That's dumb programming...
I have a letter sent from some credit card company that says I am pre approved for $5000. What do?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 09, 2013, 06:14:12 PM
I have a letter sent from some credit card company that says I am pre approved for $5000. What do?
1995 M3
Quote from: 68_427 on October 09, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
1995 M3
Could I get one sent from a junkyard and drop a 350 in it?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 09, 2013, 06:28:27 PM
Could I get one sent from a junkyard and drop a 350 in it?
In that case, find a 318 and drop a treefiddy init
Or 350 swap a first gen Sportage
Quote from: 68_427 on October 09, 2013, 06:31:09 PM
Or 350 swap a first gen Sportage
I thought I could just drop a turbo on any Sportage since the engines are sent from Japan.
Do you guys think I should consider a diesel?
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Do you guys think I should consider a diesel?
VW GTD. Very sensible, and nearly as much room as your 5.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Do you guys think I should consider a diesel?
A7 comes in diesel, I think. But I would get the 3.0T.
Quote from: Raza on October 13, 2013, 12:22:40 PM
A7 comes in diesel, I think. But I would get the 3.0T.
I'm really talking about diesel as a concept.
What do you think are the pros/cons of having a diesel? What are the major risks?
I don't think there are many risks inherent to diesels as a whole, besides diesel availability. The engines tend to fare better over time than gas engines. Whether or not Audi biffed it on this is another matter, but I know a lot of happy VWAG diesel owners. :huh:
The primary benefit of diesel in passenger vehicles is great fuel economy. Given that you only drive to and from the bus stop, and you're loaded, fuel economy is probably not high up on your list of priorities.
They also provide great torque down low, which if you like feeling the sensation of acceleration, can be a really good thing.
F-350 for Dave
Lifted with 48s.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Do you guys think I should consider a diesel?
If only to annoy Cougs.
Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2013, 12:50:20 PM
I don't think there are many risks inherent to diesels as a whole, besides diesel availability. The engines tend to fare better over time than gas engines. Whether or not Audi biffed it on this is another matter, but I know a lot of happy VWAG diesel owners. :huh:
The primary benefit of diesel in passenger vehicles is great fuel economy. Given that you only drive to and from the bus stop, and you're loaded, fuel economy is probably not high up on your list of priorities.
They also provide great torque down low, which if you like feeling the sensation of acceleration, can be a really good thing.
For me, the availability is the big issue. It would force me to think a lot more about the logistics of filling up than I am accustomed to doing, particularly away from home.
You KNOW I like the sensation of acceleration, so that is definitely a plus. I remember the older generation of diesels had a reputation for being sluggish, so that's interesting to hear. I think I'll try to test drive one.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 13, 2013, 01:36:23 PM
F-350 for Dave
That's a no-go. I hate those fucking things.
Chevy 3500, then?
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
For me, the availability is the big issue. It would force me to think a lot more about the logistics of filling up than I am accustomed to doing, particularly away from home.
You KNOW I like the sensation of acceleration, so that is definitely a plus. I remember the older generation of diesels had a reputation for being sluggish, so that's interesting to hear. I think I'll try to test drive one.
You know, they sell diesel everywhere, right?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 03:16:31 PM
You know, they sell diesel everywhere, right?
No, I don't really know that. I'm pretty sure the gas station I go to regularly doesn't sell diesel. I have to research it more. I'm asking you guys 'cause you're smart and know more about some of this stuff than I do. Thanks for the information.
Quote from: Rupert on October 13, 2013, 03:14:59 PM
Chevy 3500, then?
:rockon:
Yeah baby, now you're talking!
I knew you were a bowtie guy.
Quote from: Rupert on October 13, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
I knew you were a bowtie guy.
Bowtie? WTF...I don't even own one. I used to wear one when I worked in a restaurant 100 years ago.
Not every gas station sells diesel, but I'd wager more than half do. The bigger problem is that many don't keep their diesel pumps very clean. A co-worker who recently purchased a diesel Touareg told me he keeps some disposable rubber gloves in his car in case he comes across a pump that is all scummy and covered in fuel residue. He's also pretty picky about what stations he goes to locally, favoring those he knows frequently clean their pump handles.
That said, since his Touareg has the same size tank as the gas version (which is like 25 gallons or more) and he easily gets mid 20s for mileage, he has something like a 600 mile range before he needs to fill up.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 03:34:50 PM
Bowtie? WTF...I don't even own one. I used to wear one when I worked in a restaurant 100 years ago.
No you doof:
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Quote from: Rupert on October 13, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
No you doof:
(http://0.tqn.com/d/suvs/1/0/r/5/0/-/ChevyLogo.jpg)
OK. You know it. I'm a Chevy man all the way. I actually did own one once. A 1986 Chevy Nova, basically a twin of the Toyota Corolla. Pretty unexceptional car, but it got the job done.
Ha, yeah, I had an '88 as my first car. I liked it a lot. Tough little thing.
(As my sig says).
They also run out of revs really fast, but Dazzle probably accelerates like a grandpa anyway.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 04:01:37 PM
They also run out of revs really fast, but Dazzle probably accelerates like a grandpa anyway.
I bet in drive a lot faster than you do. You may be physically younger but I'm mentally younger.
I said accelerate. ;)
Have you ever even turned your DSC off? :evildude:
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
No, I don't really know that. I'm pretty sure the gas station I go to regularly doesn't sell diesel. I have to research it more. I'm asking you guys 'cause you're smart and know more about some of this stuff than I do. Thanks for the information.
Probably close to 80% of stations have diesel; even urban stations. Its usually just one pump though, out on the end.
Unless I was hellbent on saving polar bears, I probably wouldn't get a diesel passenger car.
Besides, forget this diesel stuff, Dave.
I've found your next car for you.
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bentley/6_1_2_litre/1605271.html (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bentley/6_1_2_litre/1605271.html)
(http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/19114148-770-0.jpg?rev=1)
Too bad its only a replica.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 04:51:08 PM
Besides, forget this diesel stuff, Dave.
I've found your next car for you.
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bentley/6_1_2_litre/1605271.html (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/bentley/6_1_2_litre/1605271.html)
(http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/19114148-770-0.jpg?rev=1)
Too bad its only a replica.
It needs a cow catcher for running over poor people.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
I said accelerate. ;)
Have you ever even turned your DSC off? :evildude:
Yes, actually.
I didn't think you were a hoonigan. :pullover:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 05:27:26 PM
I didn't think you were a hoonigan. :pullover:
While sitting with the car idling in its designated parking spot, Dave extends one trembling finger towards the "DSC off" button. He hesitates, and then in a moment of pure, boundless exhillaration, he presses, and as the blood rushes to his extremities in a classic, primordial fight-or-flight respnse, he sees the amber glow of the DSC-off warning light, teasing him with the curling S-shapes emanating from the little glowing car icon.
In that moment: that little icon is his car, the instrument panel is his boundless black horizon, and those little s-shapes are his mark upon that bleak, unforgiving world.
Then, he exhales, presses it again, and watches the fantasy fade from view as he puts the car into drive.
:lol:
Sounds about right.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
Sounds about right.
You were the one who said Ron and I were driving like maniacs on I-93 leaving Boston.....
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 05:34:21 PM
While sitting with the car idling in its designated parking spot, Dave extends one trembling finger towards the "DSC off" button. He hesitates, and then in a moment of pure, boundless exhillaration, he presses, and as the blood rushes to his extremities in a classic, primordial fight-or-flight respnse, he sees the amber glow of the DSC-off warning light, teasing him with the curling S-shapes emanating from the little glowing car icon.
In that moment: that little icon is his car, the instrument panel is his boundless black horizon, and those little s-shapes are his mark upon that bleak, unforgiving world.
Then, he exhales, presses it again, and watches the fantasy fade from view as he puts the car into drive.
:lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 06:59:38 PM
You were the one who said Ron and I were driving like maniacs on I-93 leaving Boston.....
I blame Ron
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 05:34:21 PM
While sitting with the car idling in its designated parking spot, Dave extends one trembling finger towards the "DSC off" button. He hesitates, and then in a moment of pure, boundless exhillaration, he presses, and as the blood rushes to his extremities in a classic, primordial fight-or-flight respnse, he sees the amber glow of the DSC-off warning light, teasing him with the curling S-shapes emanating from the little glowing car icon.
In that moment: that little icon is his car, the instrument panel is his boundless black horizon, and those little s-shapes are his mark upon that bleak, unforgiving world.
Then, he exhales, presses it again, and watches the fantasy fade from view as he puts the car into drive.
:clap:
Personally Dave, I wouldn't get a diesel. There's so much promise when you stomp the throttle and you get such a wave of torque down low. But then it just runs out of steam. It's so anti-climatic to wring out that it kills it for me.
The 335d makes 313hp, that's still a lot of steam. And 465 lb*ft, lawdddd..
Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2013, 07:36:42 PM
The 335d makes 313hp, that's still a lot of steam. And 465 lb*ft, lawdddd..
I saw it listed as around 250 hp. Where did you see 313hp?
Quote from: MrH on October 13, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
Personally Dave, I wouldn't get a diesel. There's so much promise when you stomp the throttle and you get such a wave of torque down low. But then it just runs out of steam. It's so anti-climatic to wring out that it kills it for me.
I'm going to test drive it and find out. Thanks for the insight.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2013, 07:06:56 PM
I blame Ron
Ron could get me in a lot of trouble. That's why he's fun to hang out with.
Quote from: Laconian on October 13, 2013, 07:36:42 PM
The 335d makes 313hp, that's still a lot of steam. And 465 lb*ft, lawdddd..
Yeah. I just like things to get more manic, louder, and faster the higher I go up in the revs. Diesels feel all backwards to me. Wouldn't mind something like that for a daily driver if I had a gas toy too. But for my only car, give me the gas version. Then you factor in the cost difference, and I'd definitely go gas over diesel.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
I'm going to test drive it and find out. Thanks for the insight.
Yeah, that's the best way to figure out what you like! :thumbsup:
I vote for a new M5 or RS7.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
I saw it listed as around 250 hp. Where did you see 313hp?
The power went up a *lot* over the last couple model years.
I don't even see 335d on the website. :huh:
Pretty sure the 335d won't exist anymore. I think it's 330d now
Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2013, 08:15:39 PM
Pretty sure the 335d won't exist anymore. I think it's 330d now
I see 328d
That must be the one then.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Do you guys think I should consider a diesel?
No
Why do you want to be proletariat
Nowhere near 313 hp. Laconian is full of shit. I think he should ban himself for spreading lies.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2000&zip=48309&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxPrice=10000&mmt=%5BBUICK%5BBUICKROAD%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DCHEV%5BCAP%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DOLDS%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=BUICKROAD&makeCode2=CHEV&modelCode2=CAP&showcaseOwnerId=56436450&makeCode1=BUICK&startYear=1990&makeCode3=OLDS&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=WAGON&listingId=355719843&listingIndex=10&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2000&zip=48309&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxPrice=10000&mmt=%5BBUICK%5BBUICKROAD%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DCHEV%5BCAP%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DOLDS%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=BUICKROAD&makeCode2=CHEV&modelCode2=CAP&showcaseOwnerId=56436450&makeCode1=BUICK&startYear=1990&makeCode3=OLDS&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=WAGON&listingId=355719843&listingIndex=10&Log=0)
New family Truckster?
My grandpa had that exact model. I don't think my Dad realized what he had when he passed away. Put it up for sale, and immediately a guy from Florida flew up and paid full asking price for it.
yup
But you have to lower it with better wheels.
Quote from: Rupert on October 13, 2013, 09:08:17 PM
But you have to lower it with better wheels.
Well, yeah of course.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 08:58:02 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2000&zip=48309&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxPrice=10000&mmt=%5BBUICK%5BBUICKROAD%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DCHEV%5BCAP%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DOLDS%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=BUICKROAD&makeCode2=CHEV&modelCode2=CAP&showcaseOwnerId=56436450&makeCode1=BUICK&startYear=1990&makeCode3=OLDS&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=WAGON&listingId=355719843&listingIndex=10&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2000&zip=48309&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxPrice=10000&mmt=%5BBUICK%5BBUICKROAD%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DCHEV%5BCAP%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DOLDS%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=BUICKROAD&makeCode2=CHEV&modelCode2=CAP&showcaseOwnerId=56436450&makeCode1=BUICK&startYear=1990&makeCode3=OLDS&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=WAGON&listingId=355719843&listingIndex=10&Log=0)
New family Truckster?
Terrible value for money, horrible gas mileage, and the less said about the handling, the better.
Sounds like a yes to me!
Just gets some bags
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 09:10:20 PM
Terrible value for money, horrible gas mileage, and the less said about the handling, the better.
Okay, find me something that handles for less than $10,000 AND can haul around four kids and all their shit. Its not happening. This isn't the car that handles.
This is the car that tows the car that handles.
But yeah, I can find one for a better price.
Well, old 7-series...
And the mileage doesn't seem bad at all.
Quote from: Rupert on October 13, 2013, 09:13:25 PM
Well, old 7-series...
I forsee maintenance problems, and its still kind of short on space.
Stop spawning.
Right, you have 50 kids...
5-series wagon?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
Stop spawning.
Done. And done.
You want I should off the living childrens too?
Well, then you could get an S2000 again!
Quote from: Rupert on October 13, 2013, 09:18:38 PM
Well, then you could get an S2000 again!
Also, if I have a practical car that doesn't come with a monthly payment I can have something fun again as well; which is the grand master plan.
I was first thinking an old school Grand Wagoneer: but those are damned expensive.
Just get another Pilot.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
Also, if I have a practical car that doesn't come with a monthly payment I can have something fun again as well; which is the grand master plan.
I was first thinking an old school Grand Wagoneer: but those are damned expensive.
And really old.
Good plan!
Just keep the Grand Pricks. It seats 5, or maybe 6 if you have a front bench!
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
Just get another Pilot.
Never really liked the Pilot. I can't say why; it never let me down and did everything I needed it to.
It wouldn't be a bad choice, just not what I wanted.
Plus, I am so fucking tired of wondering which grey SUV in the parking lot is mine.
CX-9
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2013, 09:39:59 PM
Just keep the Grand Pricks. It seats 5, or maybe 6 if you have a front bench!
Its not mine, it the father in-law's. He'd probably give it to me if I asked though. It has the bench, but five is pushing it with two car seats. Even with the other ones still being munchkins, its pushing it; fine for 10-15 minutes at a time.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 09:44:32 PM
Its not mine, it the father in-law's. He'd probably give it to me if I asked though. It has the bench, but five is pushing it with two car seats. Even with the other ones still being munchkins, its pushing it; fine for 10-15 minutes at a time.
Period correct motoring means nobody wears a seat belt and the little ones can sleep up on the parcel shelf.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 09:48:31 PM
Period correct motoring means nobody wears a seat belt and the little ones can sleep up on the parcel shelf.
My wife and I have differing opinions on how period correct we should be.
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/buick/estate_wagon/1600300.html (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/buick/estate_wagon/1600300.html)
A little over my budget perhaps...
But awesomer than the other Buick.
Acres of ungalvinized steel. Yum yum yum says old man winter.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2013, 10:02:21 PM
Acres of ungalvinized steel. Yum yum yum says old man winter.
You are like an everflowing font of negativity.
As if I was unaware that old cars rust...
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/mercedes_benz/300te/1604743.html (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/mercedes_benz/300te/1604743.html)
Could go this direction: a little smaller than the Buicks, but I could do this just fine.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 13, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Do you guys think I should consider a diesel?
If you're not putting that many miles on your car, then there's really no convincing reason to get a diesel. The petrol versions are quicker
and cheaper to buy. Win-win.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 10:08:34 PM
You are like an everflowing font of negativity.
As if I was unaware that old cars rust...
RUST NEVER SLEEPS
But it's better to burn out than to fade away, so...
Soup, I like all your options. I'd go for the old Buick or the Merc.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 08:58:02 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2000&zip=48309&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxPrice=10000&mmt=%5BBUICK%5BBUICKROAD%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DCHEV%5BCAP%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DOLDS%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=BUICKROAD&makeCode2=CHEV&modelCode2=CAP&showcaseOwnerId=56436450&makeCode1=BUICK&startYear=1990&makeCode3=OLDS&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=WAGON&listingId=355719843&listingIndex=10&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2000&zip=48309&listingType=used&listingTypes=used&maxPrice=10000&mmt=%5BBUICK%5BBUICKROAD%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DCHEV%5BCAP%5B%5D%5D%5B%5DOLDS%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=BUICKROAD&makeCode2=CHEV&modelCode2=CAP&showcaseOwnerId=56436450&makeCode1=BUICK&startYear=1990&makeCode3=OLDS&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=WAGON&listingId=355719843&listingIndex=10&Log=0)
New family Truckster?
Nearly 10 grand for that piece?
He and his family probably won't live long enough to see the car rust out since those old cars are totally unsafe compared to new cars.
Quote from: Raza on October 14, 2013, 08:55:23 AM
Nearly 10 grand for that piece?
Some are going for as much as 15. Still, ten is Hugh for that one.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 14, 2013, 10:23:16 AM
He and his family probably won't live long enough to see the car rust out since those old cars are totally unsafe compared to new cars.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'm late changing the batteries in the smoke detector too.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 14, 2013, 11:49:09 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'm late changing the batteries in the smoke detector too.
Do you have two kids or three?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 14, 2013, 01:09:01 PM
Four.
Holy shit.
You're going to need at least two more cars.
Quote from: Raza on October 14, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
Holy shit.
You're going to need at least two more cars.
Working on it:
1: practical fambly car
2: fun lightweight car
3: ?????
Audi C4 based S4/S6 Avant with the 230hp I5 . Can't be that expensive.
(http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/65/1156/10265566/s6-7-19718.jpg)
(http://www.audi-youngtimer.ch/eureaudis/romulo_s6/romulo_s6_1.jpg)
Can be had with 7 seats.
It seems like the decent ones bottom out around 12-13,000. It might be doable.
I am seriously considering trading the M3 for something more comfortable and hanging on to the 1M as my fun car. I'd love a 535i / A6 3.0T / Jag XF but the economic timing isn't right for any of those. So I am considering the much less expensive Passat V6.
This daily would be a lease.
Most likely I won't get anything and just hang on to the E90. But sometimes I fantasise about a truly comfortable car. I am getting old lol.
^Phuck that
Quote from: Rupert on October 14, 2013, 03:40:58 AM
Soup, I like all your options. I'd go for the old Buick or the Merc.
Going out to Grand Rapids on Wednesday to look at the Mercedes. Price is a little high, but its a nice car with a reputation for being super reliable. There's an exception to every rule though.
Never thought of myself as a Mercedes owner type person, though.
I think everyone should own a car that's out of character once or twice.
Quote from: Rupert on October 15, 2013, 04:00:40 AM
I think everyone should own a car that's out of character once or twice.
Is this your way of saying you're trading in the Alfa on a nice new Camry?
Quote from: Rupert on October 15, 2013, 04:00:40 AM
I think everyone should own a car that's out of character once or twice.
The Pilot was pretty out of character already. Good car, but not my speed.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 14, 2013, 03:25:42 PM
Working on it:
1: practical fambly car
2: fun lightweight car
3: ?????
No, like a Camry, an Accord, and your Grand Prix. That's too many kids.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 14, 2013, 08:34:25 PM
I am seriously considering trading the M3 for something more comfortable and hanging on to the 1M as my fun car. I'd love a 535i / A6 3.0T / Jag XF but the economic timing isn't right for any of those. So I am considering the much less expensive Passat V6.
This daily would be a lease.
Most likely I won't get anything and just hang on to the E90. But sometimes I fantasise about a truly comfortable car. I am getting old lol.
The B7 Passat is pretty boring to drive. I mean, from an M3 to a current Passat is like going from an M3 to a mattress. You'd be better off buy just buying a B6 Passat, which is comfortable and still decent to drive.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2013, 01:45:36 AM
Going out to Grand Rapids on Wednesday to look at the Mercedes. Price is a little high, but its a nice car with a reputation for being super reliable. There's an exception to every rule though.
Never thought of myself as a Mercedes owner type person, though.
Taking I 94 by chance? Probably not.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 14, 2013, 08:34:25 PM
I am seriously considering trading the M3 for something more comfortable and hanging on to the 1M as my fun car. I'd love a 535i / A6 3.0T / Jag XF but the economic timing isn't right for any of those. So I am considering the much less expensive Passat V6.
This daily would be a lease.
Most likely I won't get anything and just hang on to the E90. But sometimes I fantasise about a truly comfortable car. I am getting old lol.
You will be disappointed. It will be a mistake.
I've only seen one, 2009+ Element with AWD + manual transmission. It's for sale in Long Island, NY. It's a pretty good deal too. All the reviews talk about what a shady dealership it is though.
If that was anywhere in the midwest, I'd be all over it.
What dealer?
It's called Car Tec Enterprise. Found a bunch of horrible reviews on cars.com
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45342&endYear=2014&driveCodes=4WD%7CAWD&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&mmt=%5BHONDA%5BELEMENT%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=ELEMENT&driveCode=4WD%7CAWD&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=581804&makeCode1=HONDA&startYear=2007&maxMileage=100000&numRecords=100&searchRadius=500&listingId=348150400&listingIndex=2&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45342&endYear=2014&driveCodes=4WD%7CAWD&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&mmt=%5BHONDA%5BELEMENT%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=ELEMENT&driveCode=4WD%7CAWD&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=581804&makeCode1=HONDA&startYear=2007&maxMileage=100000&numRecords=100&searchRadius=500&listingId=348150400&listingIndex=2&Log=0)
We got a loaner TL for a few days while the TSX is getting serviced.
The car as a whole is kind of unremarkable except OMG those seats. *So* comfortable.
I want to replace my daily driver and the wife's car too.... but I'll probably wait a couple months to see what comes out before I make a decision....
Probably an EV/Hybrid of some sort for my commuter.. and argh.. I don't even know what to get for my wife... there's really nothing out there that appeals to either of us.. hell, a 6 seater like the Mazda 5 but bigger would actually be perfect.
Quote from: ifcar on October 15, 2013, 06:59:48 AM
Is this your way of saying you're trading in the Alfa on a nice new Camry?
:lol:
I had that dumb Jeep, but that wasn't that far out of character. I was thinking '60s American.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2013, 11:41:33 AM
I could.
There's a dive bar just off I94 here if you want to visit Cereal City, USA.
Quote from: Rupert on October 15, 2013, 02:23:01 PM
:lol:
I had that dumb Jeep, but that wasn't that far out of character. I was thinking '60s American.
The Camry would be farther in the other end of the spectrum for you though.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 15, 2013, 02:49:43 PM
There's a dive bar just off I94 here if you want to visit Cereal City, USA.
Would you be able to meet up after five o'clock or so?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
Would you be able to meet up after five o'clock or so?
Sure
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 15, 2013, 01:45:36 AM
Going out to Grand Rapids on Wednesday to look at the Mercedes. Price is a little high, but its a nice car with a reputation for being super reliable. There's an exception to every rule though.
Never thought of myself as a Mercedes owner type person, though.
I'll be so jealous if get the Benz wagon! I really want one as a complement to the SL :lol:
Quote from: NomisR on October 15, 2013, 03:19:17 PM
The Camry would be farther in the other end of the spectrum for you though.
Yes, but that would suck. :nono:
I think I can find an enthusiast car that's out of character and not stupid.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 15, 2013, 10:47:29 AM
You will be disappointed. It will be a mistake.
I think I was a little high when I posted that.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 15, 2013, 10:22:43 PM
I think I was a little high when I posted that.
Something about THC that makes you think of VW?
(http://www.mkwhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/55536.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2013, 10:24:57 PM
Something about THC that makes you think of VW?
:rastaman:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 16, 2013, 04:49:41 AM
Well, no Benz today. Maybe Friday.
I want you to experience the pit of despair that is a dive bar in Battle Creek.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 13, 2013, 10:16:53 PM
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/mercedes_benz/300te/1604743.html (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/mercedes_benz/300te/1604743.html)
Could go this direction: a little smaller than the Buicks, but I could do this just fine.
Lots of rust spots on that thing. All around the hood, under tail lights. And it's too expensive and AWD. Early 4Matic cars are trouble.
Quote from: CJ on October 16, 2013, 11:10:44 AM
Lots of rust spots on that thing. All around the hood, under tail lights. And it's too expensive and AWD. Early 4Matic cars are trouble.
It's a 20 year old car. That spots and mechanical issues aren't unexpected.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 16, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
I want you to experience the pit of despair that is a dive bar in Battle Creek.
There's a brewpub near the Amtrak station that's not bad.
I'd rock one of these
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/01/2012-buick-verano-opt.jpg)
Nope, it's still a Buick :lol:
A Turbo VErano would be quite the car.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 16, 2013, 05:54:23 PM
A Turbo VErano would be quite the car.
Tune that shit and slaughter everyone this side of a C6 Corvette
Yup give Trifecta a call and have 300hp and 330tq. :lol:
Quote from: J86 on October 16, 2013, 05:15:31 PM
There's a brewpub near the Amtrak station that's not bad.
There's a few good brewpubs in that area.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 16, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
There's a few good brewpubs in that area.
I don't know where the train station is, but I guess you're talking about Arcadia.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 16, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
There's a few good brewpubs in that area.
I've only been there once. Town smelled like burnt cereal :lol:
It doesn't smell burnt.
They mustha left the oats in for an extra cycle. Smelt burnt to me!
Who was it that was looking for a manual wagon?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559562 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559562)
Quote from: 68_427 on October 16, 2013, 09:56:09 PM
Who was it that was looking for a manual wagon?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559562 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559562)
That would be me or Raza I think. Or maybe FBC :lol:
Looking at that guy's photostream, that used to be "stanced" to all hell. Fuck that. I wouldn't trust the diffs or halfshafts after rolling around broken for so long.
Half shafts, maybe, though a bad halfshaft would make itself known immediately on a test drive.
Diff, not so sure lowering would do any slow damage... if it hit something it would prob disintegrate immediately.
Plus it's easy to look under the car and see if anything has the tell tale asphalt scrapings. It's probably fine.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/9311427270_ffd1292698_b.jpg)
That thing was damn near sitting on the ground.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 16, 2013, 09:56:09 PM
Who was it that was looking for a manual wagon?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559562 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2559562)
That doesn't seem too bad a price. A lot of these forum for sale postings are "Impreza 2.5, Lowered suspension, big wheels, 175,000 miles, $35,000 firm. I know what it's worth so don't lowball me."
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2013, 08:06:49 AM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/9311427270_ffd1292698_b.jpg)
That thing was damn near sitting on the ground.
Why the hell would you buy the Outback version of the Legacy to slam it that low? Why not start with a regular Legacy wagon?
Quote from: MrH on October 17, 2013, 08:06:49 AM
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That thing was damn near sitting on the ground.
It looks like a Transformer sat on it.
Quote from: MX793 on October 17, 2013, 09:34:56 AM
Why the hell would you buy the Outback version of the Legacy to slam it that low? Why not start with a regular Legacy wagon?
And then why would you buy a regular Legacy wagon and slam it like that? Why would you ever do that to any car?
Quote from: Raza on October 17, 2013, 10:13:44 AM
And then why would you buy a regular Legacy wagon and slam it like that? Why would you ever do that to any car?
The only reason to buy an Outback over a regular wagon is to get the added, SUV-like ride height and ground clearance. And, IIRC, they cost more than the regular wagon. If you're just going to slam the thing, why would you start with the more expensive version with extra ride height?
Quote from: MX793 on October 17, 2013, 03:11:51 PM
The only reason to buy an Outback over a regular wagon is to get the added, SUV-like ride height and ground clearance. And, IIRC, they cost more than the regular wagon. If you're just going to slam the thing, why would you start with the more expensive version with extra ride height?
Used though, there doesn't seem to be much difference.
It's because some people like the body cladding and different bumpers.
Legacy Wagons are really tough to find too.
Well, the Merc is a no-go. Guy won't talk to me on price, or show me a video of it running without warning lights on.
But, all is not lost. Got a car anyways, way on the cheap side.
1991 Marquis wagon.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 01:12:23 PM
Well, the Merc is a no-go. Guy won't talk to me on price, or show me a video of it running without warning lights on.
But, all is not lost. Got a car anyways, way on the cheap side.
1991 Marquis wagon.
Whoa.
Take it to Maaco. Ambassador finish, only $49.99.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 01:50:49 PM
Unfortunately, it's not family Truckster green.
But it has (vinyl) wood on the sides, right?
Quote from: Vinsanity on October 18, 2013, 03:36:17 PM
But it has (vinyl) wood on the sides, right?
Oh yeah.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 18, 2013, 01:12:23 PM
Well, the Merc is a no-go. Guy won't talk to me on price, or show me a video of it running without warning lights on.
But, all is not lost. Got a car anyways, way on the cheap side.
1991 Marquis wagon.
WTF? There has to be a back story on this.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 19, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
WTF? There has to be a back story on this.
Thread in Jalopies. But no big story really. It kept creeping up in my searches and I kept ignoring it, but after a few promising options didn't pan out, I figured "what the hell?" and it was in way better condition than I expected, so I bought it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 19, 2013, 09:27:29 PM
Thread in Jalopies. But no big story really. It kept creeping up in my searches and I kept ignoring it, but after a few promising options didn't pan out, I figured "what the hell?" and it was in way better condition than I expected, so I bought it.
Are you going to work on it?
In other news, I was going to go test drive some BMWs yesterday, but my salesman wasn't in. I'll see if he's going to be in next week. There's no particular rush. It actually turned out to be a good thing, because I later learned that the road I would have used to get there (I-95) was closed due to a bad accident, and traffic was backed up for miles all over the place.
I want a Fairmont wagon
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 20, 2013, 01:14:02 PM
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sporty, you can't be so technically retarded that you can't figure out how to turn off the asshole signature in Tapatalk.
In the top left of the Tapatalk screen, hit Main Menu > hit Settings in the bottom right > scroll down to Post Creation > click on Signature
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=remove+tapatalk+signature (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=remove+tapatalk+signature)
Quote from: dazzleman on October 20, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
Are you going to work on it?
In other news, I was going to go test drive some BMWs yesterday, but my salesman wasn't in. I'll see if he's going to be in next week. There's no particular rush. It actually turned out to be a good thing, because I later learned that the road I would have used to get there (I-95) was closed due to a bad accident, and traffic was backed up for miles all over the place.
Your salesman? Like, how much does one of them cost and where do you keep him?
Anyways; There are a few things on it that need to be taken care of (as one would expect when buying a car for $2000), but I'm not really wanting to make a project out of it. Brakes and shocks, covering up a couple of rust spots, and a good general cleaning are all that's on the board for now.
Quote from: Rupert on October 20, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
sporty, you can't be so technically retarded that you can't figure out how to turn off the asshole signature in Tapatalk.
In the top left of the Tapatalk screen, hit Main Menu > hit Settings in the bottom right > scroll down to Post Creation > click on Signature
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=remove+tapatalk+signature (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=remove+tapatalk+signature)
Pay me
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Only assholes leave that shit on. Quit being an asshole, asshole.
Jeezus.
Sent from my 9 year old HP Pavilion Desktop PC sporting a number of periodic upgrades.
I can't believe how much you guys are getting worked up over a Tapatalk signature.
Quote from: Rupert on October 20, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
Only assholes leave that shit on. Quit being an asshole, asshole.
Now you'll have to pay him :facepalm:.
Quote from: Raza on October 20, 2013, 05:13:38 PM
I can't believe how much you guys are getting worked up over a Tapatalk signature.
:hesaid:
It doesn't bother me in the least. I wonder if the paranoia side effect is setting in for Psilos. Maybe he thinks the signature is spying on him, and he's going to jump out a 30th floor window as a result.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 20, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
:hesaid:
It doesn't bother me in the least. I wonder if the paranoia side effect is setting in for Psilos. Maybe he thinks the signature is spying on him, and he's going to jump out a 30th floor window as a result.
There are no 30 storey buildings within a days drive of him.
Quote from: Rupert on October 20, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
Only assholes leave that shit on. Quit being an asshole, asshole.
How could sporty NOT leave it on, after reading this???
Sporty, leave it on, and I'm serious.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 20, 2013, 07:13:22 PM
How could sporty NOT leave it on, after reading this???
Sporty, leave it on, and I'm serious.
I'd sure as fuck leave it on.
Quote from: SVT666 on October 20, 2013, 06:57:00 PM
There are no 30 storey buildings within a days drive of him.
That's lucky. That fact might save his life.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 20, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Your salesman? Like, how much does one of them cost and where do you keep him?
Anyways; There are a few things on it that need to be taken care of (as one would expect when buying a car for $2000), but I'm not really wanting to make a project out of it. Brakes and shocks, covering up a couple of rust spots, and a good general cleaning are all that's on the board for now.
:lol:
I've bought two cars from him.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 20, 2013, 07:17:10 PM
:lol:
I've bought two cars from him.
If you have a good one, keep him.
We buy vehicles for the store exclusively from a salesman a province away. He lands us a great price each time and is great to deal with in general. :rockon:
:rolleyes:
The last salesman I dealt seemed like a decent fellow, and didn't pull any funny assed bullshit during the haggle. Probably the best purchase experience I've had for a car.
Still, I felt like I had to take a shower afterwards to get the slime off my hands.
Salesmen are never to be trusted unless there is an expectation that you'll bring repeat business. And even then...
Quote from: Rupert on October 21, 2013, 02:27:24 AM
Salesmen are never to be trusted unless there is an expectation that you'll bring repeat business. And even then...
I deal with salesmen daily. There are some good ones out there in many different industries.
I'm considering a cheap addition at some point next year. Cars in the running are in the below quoted post:
Quote from: Raza on October 16, 2013, 08:52:51 AM
Yeah, probably by next summer. No rush; I'll be moving before winter, so I'll have no shortage of rides to work (both my roommates work where I work) if the weather gets bad.
I also have a ridiculous amount of cars I'm considering. I mean, ridiculous.
SVT Focus (#2 choice)
EP3 Civic Si (#3 choice)
Basic Civic
MkV Jetta 2.5
MkV Rabbit (if they're in the price range)
Various BMWs (my BMW guy collects cheap, high mileage but good condition cars, fixes any issues, and then sells them for cheap)
Mercedes C230 hatch (RWD, but I've always liked them, and they're cheap with a stick)
Audi B6 A4 sedan/wagon
Saab 9-3 (last gen before they looked like shit; I've always loved these cars and they're dirt cheap right now)
Saab 9-5 (same thing)
Saab 9-2X (preferred choice)
Mini Cooper
If I had to get a car today, it would be the A7 3.0T (1st) or S4 (2nd).
Reading about the new Mazda 3 has me wondering about the next Miata. I'm liking their engines/weights/transmissions they are currently operating with. I think the styling will work better on a Miata than the 3, too.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 21, 2013, 10:00:27 AM
Reading about the new Mazda 3 has me wondering about the next Miata. I'm liking their engines/weights/transmissions they are currently operating with. I think the styling will work better on a Miata than the 3, too.
I keep hearing the under 1000 kg as the target... :mask: Around the same 170 hp.
A skyactive, 170 hp engine in under 1000 kg. That'll get 40 mpg highway. I love the retractable hardtop on the NC, so I'm hoping this next one is even better.
I can't stop checking out ads for the 2010 Jaguar XF V8 Supercharged. Fuck is it ever sweet.
Quote from: MrH on October 21, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
I keep hearing the under 1000 kg as the target... :mask: Around the same 170 hp.
A skyactive, 170 hp engine in under 1000 kg. That'll get 40 mpg highway. I love the retractable hardtop on the NC, so I'm hoping this next one is even better.
I wouldn't count on the MX-5 being geared for efficient highway cruising, but as long as it's not still in the 20s on premium, it will be a huge step up.
Quote from: ifcar on October 21, 2013, 02:15:03 PM
I wouldn't count on the MX-5 being geared for efficient highway cruising, but as long as it's not still in the 20s on premium, it will be a huge step up.
I could get nearly 35 mpg in my NC if I stayed in 6th and kept it around 72 mph or so. Now, I usually drove at 85 mph or so, so 28 mpg was about all I got.
I hope they don't lose the gearing though. I loved how short that car was geared.
Saw a C7 on the road over the weekend and another one today. I'm liking it.
I'm getting about 24-25 in the Miata now. In my road trip around the country I was pulling 28-29.
I'd kill for a 40mpg Miata. I hope they give it a 6 speed the the 5 ratios of the 5 speed, and mimic the 6th ratio of the Mazda 3. If I want throttle response I'll cruise in 5th. I'll take 6th for highway moovin.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 21, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
I'm getting about 24-25 in the Miata now. In my road trip around the country I was pulling 28-29.
I'd kill for a 40mpg Miata. I hope they give it a 6 speed the the 5 ratios of the 5 speed, and mimic the 6th ratio of the Mazda 3. If I want throttle response I'll cruise in 5th. I'll take 6th for highway moovin.
Next Miata will be CVT only with paddle shifters.
Quote from: MrH on October 21, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
I keep hearing the under 1000 kg as the target... :mask: Around the same 170 hp.
A skyactive, 170 hp engine in under 1000 kg. That'll get 40 mpg highway. I love the retractable hardtop on the NC, so I'm hoping this next one is even better.
Weight isn't that much of a factor in highway mileage. Drag (which convertibles are notoriously poor for) is a far greater contributor. That said, with a small enough engine and low rolling resistance tires and the right gearing, it could be possible. I've gotten as much as 35 out of the Mustang on longer road trips.
Quote from: Raza on October 21, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
Next Miata will be CVT only with paddle shifters.
/wrists
Quote from: MX793 on October 21, 2013, 03:13:17 PM
Weight isn't that much of a factor in highway mileage. Drag (which convertibles are notoriously poor for) is a far greater contributor. That said, with a small enough engine and low rolling resistance tires and the right gearing, it could be possible. I've gotten as much as 35 out of the Mustang on longer road trips.
I have never hit 35 in the Accent. :facepalm:
because racecar?
Quote from: MX793 on October 21, 2013, 03:13:17 PM
Weight isn't that much of a factor in highway mileage. Drag (which convertibles are notoriously poor for) is a far greater contributor. That said, with a small enough engine and low rolling resistance tires and the right gearing, it could be possible. I've gotten as much as 35 out of the Mustang on longer road trips.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the EPA test still has some sort of acceleration at high way speeds. Realistically, weight plays a role, albeit small, when you go to pass people, that kind of thing.
If my Mom's new Mazda6 can hit 40 mpg on the highway, I would think the next Miata should be able to get close to that.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 20, 2013, 07:16:26 PM
That's lucky. That fact might save his life.
Well, there's plenty of 20 story tall trees he can jump off of where he's at.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
because racecar?
Yeah. It's just tuned for max power, not fuel economy.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 21, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Saw a C7 on the road over the weekend and another one today. I'm liking it.
I've yet to see one!
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on October 21, 2013, 07:54:55 PM
I've yet to see one!
Saw tmy first (manufacturer's plated) roadster yesterday.
Now that, I like.
Quote from: Raza on October 20, 2013, 05:13:38 PM
I can't believe how much you guys are getting worked up over a Tapatalk signature.
Fucking pedants. All the sniping and trolling that goes on here but a signature is too much. FYA
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 21, 2013, 09:25:15 PM
Fucking pedants. All the sniping and trolling that goes on here but a signature is too much. FYA
Doesn't even matter at this point. Whether you keep it or get rid of it, you're doing it because of Psilos.
Holy shit.
Sent from my work PC.
:devil:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 21, 2013, 09:26:18 PM
Doesn't even matter at this point. Whether you keep it or get rid of it, you're doing it because of Psilos.
Owned
No Tapatalk signature used.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 21, 2013, 09:25:15 PM
Fucking pedants. All the sniping and trolling that goes on here but a signature is too much. FYA
Keep the signature on. :devil:
Quote from: Northlands on October 21, 2013, 07:30:55 AM
I deal with salesmen daily. There are some good ones out there in many different industries.
Right, and they expect you to come back next time you need some paper.
I'm planning to do some test drives on Saturday.
Anything interesting?
Quote from: J86 on October 24, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Anything interesting?
BMW this week. Audi comes next.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 24, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
BMW this week. Audi comes next.
Porsche the week after?
Quote from: dazzleman on October 24, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
BMW this week. Audi comes next.
If you can, try to do multiple test drives on the same day, so the impressions of each car are still fresh in your mind. And try to jot down notes so they don't all blur together. "Shit, which was the one that felt that way?"
Quote from: ifcar on October 25, 2013, 08:12:21 AM
If you can, try to do multiple test drives on the same day, so the impressions of each car are still fresh in your mind. And try to jot down notes so they don't all blur together. "Shit, which was the one that felt that way?"
Hey, he's an old man, one make at a time!!! He'll get confused and wonder why the BMW had rings or when Audi stated using kidney grilles
Quote from: ifcar on October 25, 2013, 08:12:21 AM
If you can, try to do multiple test drives on the same day, so the impressions of each car are still fresh in your mind. And try to jot down notes so they don't all blur together. "Shit, which was the one that felt that way?"
That's a good idea. I did that before I bought my first BMW. Not sure I can pull it off all in one day, though. It's hard to get a full block of time.
Here are some pictures from the BMW dealer yesterday. They didn't come out too well because of the strong sun through the glass.
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Forget about the pictures, what were your thoughts/what did you drive?
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 27, 2013, 01:09:47 PM
Forget about the pictures, what were your thoughts/what did you drive?
+1
Also, I have a source for off lease elements. I should be getting one soon at a really cheap price :praise:
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 27, 2013, 01:09:47 PM
Forget about the pictures, what were your thoughts/what did you drive?
I drove a 535xi.
There are a few different options. I don't want to have a 2-door as my only car, so I'm mainly looking at the 5-series at BMW. There is a 4-door 6-class grand coupe, but I prefer the regular 5-series to that.
As far as the 5-series goes, there is a regular gasoline engine, as well as a diesel and a hybrid. I ruled out the hybrid when I learned it is about $12,000 more than the gasoline, and the hybrid only works up to 30 mph. Realistically, it wouldn't be much value to me, and would cost more than it saves IMO. I'm also inclined to rule out the diesel, since it also costs more (a couple of grand), and I don't think I drive enough to get the real benefit from it.
As for engine sizes, I think I would go with the 6-cylinder 3.0 liter engine -- the 535. I ruled out the 8-cylinder 550 because it costs more, has poor fuel economy and costs more to insure. I don't see the benefit of those additional costs. I looked at the M5 but I'm going to rule it out because of the additional cost with it.
Within the 535, I could go with RWD or AWD. I generally like RWD better than AWD, though the AWD car yesterday drove pretty nicely. It was a bad day for a test drive. The traffic was heavy everywhere, and I didn't get to do a whole lot other than take a few turns quickly, and take it up to around 85 mph on the highway for a short distance. I did really like the tightness of the steering.
There's also the need to pick the luxury or sport line. With the sport line, I worry about how bad it would be in the snow, especially with RWD. I would probably not go with sport suspension or tires, but I think I could order sport steering so that it's heavier and tighter.
I know the color I want -- a dark blue.
Now I have to check out Audi and see how they drive in comparison.
I think you should try the AWD and RWD cars back to back, my experience is that you lose a lot of turning radius and feedback when cars go AWD.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 27, 2013, 04:59:46 PM
I drove a 535xi.
There are a few different options. I don't want to have a 2-door as my only car, so I'm mainly looking at the 5-series at BMW. There is a 4-door 6-class grand coupe, but I prefer the regular 5-series to that.
As far as the 5-series goes, there is a regular gasoline engine, as well as a diesel and a hybrid. I ruled out the hybrid when I learned it is about $12,000 more than the gasoline, and the hybrid only works up to 30 mph. Realistically, it wouldn't be much value to me, and would cost more than it saves IMO. I'm also inclined to rule out the diesel, since it also costs more (a couple of grand), and I don't think I drive enough to get the real benefit from it.
As for engine sizes, I think I would go with the 6-cylinder 3.0 liter engine -- the 535. I ruled out the 8-cylinder 550 because it costs more, has poor fuel economy and costs more to insure. I don't see the benefit of those additional costs. I looked at the M5 but I'm going to rule it out because of the additional cost with it.
Within the 535, I could go with RWD or AWD. I generally like RWD better than AWD, though the AWD car yesterday drove pretty nicely. It was a bad day for a test drive. The traffic was heavy everywhere, and I didn't get to do a whole lot other than take a few turns quickly, and take it up to around 85 mph on the highway for a short distance. I did really like the tightness of the steering.
There's also the need to pick the luxury or sport line. With the sport line, I worry about how bad it would be in the snow, especially with RWD. I would probably not go with sport suspension or tires, but I think I could order sport steering so that it's heavier and tighter.
I know the color I want -- a dark blue.
Now I have to check out Audi and see how they drive in comparison.
How about a 535d. It got a pretty good review recently on C&D. The mileage is fantastic and you lose almost nothing to the gas version.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 27, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
How about a 535d. It got a pretty good review recently on C&D. The mileage is fantastic and you lose almost nothing to the gas version.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 27, 2013, 04:59:46 PM
As far as the 5-series goes, there is a regular gasoline engine, as well as a diesel and a hybrid. I ruled out the hybrid when I learned it is about $12,000 more than the gasoline, and the hybrid only works up to 30 mph. Realistically, it wouldn't be much value to me, and would cost more than it saves IMO. I'm also inclined to rule out the diesel, since it also costs more (a couple of grand), and I don't think I drive enough to get the real benefit from it.
What about waiting for the new M3 sedan? It's honestly about the same size interior wise compared to what you drive now, will be so much more exciting than a 5-series, and probably around the same price.
Get a second set of wheels and snow tires, and enjoy the RWD :praise:
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
What about waiting for the new M3 sedan? It's honestly about the same size interior wise compared to what you drive now, will be so much more exciting than a 5-series, and probably around the same price.
Get a second set of wheels and snow tires, and enjoy the RWD :praise:
I'm planning to get RWD either way, if I get a BMW. The question is whether I will get the sport suspension or not. I know what a nightmare that can be in the snow, so I'll probably get the regular suspension with tighter steering.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 27, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
How about a 535d. It got a pretty good review recently on C&D. The mileage is fantastic and you lose almost nothing to the gas version.
They didn't have one available to drive the day I was there, but I would really like to drive it. Still, I'm inclined against it because of the limited mileage that I drive, so I'm not sure that I will get the benefit of the great fuel economy vs. the additional up-front cost plus the higher cost of diesel fuel.
Diesel's definitely not worth it.
Sport suspension, OTOH, is!
Quote from: dazzleman on October 28, 2013, 08:47:16 AM
I'm planning to get RWD either way, if I get a BMW. The question is whether I will get the sport suspension or not. I know what a nightmare that can be in the snow, so I'll probably get the regular suspension with tighter steering.
The sport suspension really won't change the performance in the snow. Might be slightly more prone to oversteer, but not really. It's all about the tires. Honestly, a second set of wheels and snow tires makes all the difference in the world. I'm going into my 4th winter with tiny, light, RWD cars. On snow tires, I've been able to get around just fine.
I'm guessing he's talking about ride quality in the snow because the DSC pretty much sorts everything, even if you're a ham fisted driver.
I think it would be worth driving the diesel for the pleasure of it, not just the economy. He might enjoy it more. :huh:
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
I think it would be worth driving the diesel for the pleasure of it, not just the economy. He might enjoy it more. :huh:
The torque on the diesel is fun in itself. BMW Diesel doesn't really drive or sound like a diesel either which adds to it's appeal.
Sport suspension can deteriorate winter driving abilities because:
1) lowered
2) wider tire dimensions
also, less comfortable on bad roads.
Quote from: mzziaz on October 28, 2013, 12:23:04 PM
Sport suspension can deteriorate winter driving abilities because:
1) lowered
2) wider tire dimensions
also, less comfortable on bad roads.
-Snow rarely gets high and uneven enough for ride height to be much of an issue.
-Just because he's running wider summer tires doesn't mean he needs to run wider snow tires. He can run narrow than the non-sport tires if he wants :huh:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 28, 2013, 09:57:55 AM
I'm guessing he's talking about ride quality in the snow because the DSC pretty much sorts everything, even if you're a ham fisted driver.
The roads aren't really drastically less even when it snows around here :confused:
What about a Tesla, Dave? BUY DOMESTIC!
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2013, 03:23:31 PM
What about a Tesla, Dave? BUY DOMESTIC!
Was your Infiniti produced domestically?
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
I think it would be worth driving the diesel for the pleasure of it, not just the economy. He might enjoy it more. :huh:
False. Gasoline turbos are better.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 28, 2013, 03:32:44 PM
Was your Infiniti produced domestically?
Nope, Japan. I don't believe in the "buy domestic" line (esp. since domestic means Opelaewoo by way of Mexico), I was just throwing it out there as a joke. ;)
But Tesla seems to be really impressing the bajeezus out of everyone that reviews it. I think you should test one, if only for the heck of it. 0-60 in five seconds with all the torque right off the line... I bet that's a hoot!
Tesla would definitely be on my list. Not available down here though. Dave, it seems to fityou situation well since you have said you don't do that much mileage.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 28, 2013, 03:47:59 PM
Tesla would definitely be on my list. Not available down here though. Dave, it seems to fityou situation well since you have said you don't do that much mileage.
Never go to a gas station again == reinforced anti-riffraff bubble.
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2013, 03:52:09 PM
Never go to a gas station again == reinforced anti-riffraff bubble.
:lol:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on October 28, 2013, 03:47:59 PM
Tesla would definitely be on my list. Not available down here though. Dave, it seems to fityou situation well since you have said you don't do that much mileage.
I do mostly short drives with an occasional longer trip. I don't know if I could go all-electric at this point. From a personality standpoint, I'm not an early adopter of new technology or ideas. I need to see how they work out for other people before I jump on the bandwagon, plus I like to buy something after the early version kinks have been ironed out and the technology has become less expensive. So I don't think I'll go electric this time.
Quote from: MrH on October 28, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
-Snow rarely gets high and uneven enough for ride height to be much of an issue.
Maybe not where you live. I've had to drive home from work in snow deep enough that I was dragging the front splitter. Not to mention that added ground clearance can make it easier getting into or out of a driveway that has a small berm of snow at the end that the road plow left.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 28, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
From a personality standpoint, I'm not an early adopter of new technology or ideas.
No, really?
Diesel's still a century too new for him
Quote from: Rupert on October 28, 2013, 06:12:55 PM
No, really?
Some people are so open-minded that their brains have fallen out.
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
Diesel's still a century too new for him
Can I get something that runs on steam?
Quote from: dazzleman on October 28, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
Can I get something that runs on steam?
Would you like coal fired or wood fired?
Quote from: MX793 on October 28, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
Would you like coal fired or wood fired?
Wood is better, since I have logs in my yard.
Today I drove a Golf TDI for like 40 miles. Great car, really is, but I'd take the GTI over it every single day. Thing was averaging like 40 mpg, though. That's a good 10 mpg more than I get in my car.
Dave check out the recent motor trend video of the new CTS
Quote from: 68_427 on October 28, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Dave check out the recent motor trend video of the new CTS
Good luck trying to find it
2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport: Boosting Ahead of the Germans in Their Own Game! - Ignition Ep. 90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4fnDNpBbno#)
Quote from: Laconian on October 28, 2013, 03:52:09 PM
Never go to a gas station again == reinforced anti-riffraff bubble.
Buying electric = librruls
Am I wrong for wanting a C7 now? I'm thinking fuck it with replacing my RSX with a 4 door and just get a Corvette?
Quote from: NomisR on October 29, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
Am I wrong for wanting a C7 now? I'm thinking fuck it with replacing my RSX with a 4 door and just get a Corvette?
No, that's what you should be thinking
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 29, 2013, 12:33:52 PM
No, that's what you should be thinking
There hasn't been a car that I've really wanted since I got the Lotus... but damn.. I want one... not good.. not good at all....
Quote from: NomisR on October 29, 2013, 12:43:43 PM
There hasn't been a car that I've really wanted since I got the Lotus... but damn.. I want one... not good.. not good at all....
Go for it! I will own one in the next few years!!!!!
I'm looking for a job closer to home, if I don't have to worry about a commute, i'm definitely going to do this.. otherwise.. a HOV hippy mobile I get.. :(
I just took the Audi A6 for a test drive. I was blown away by it. Fucking loved it. The pickup was fantastic, as were the suspension and steering. I think this is the one!
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
I just took the Audi A6 for a test drive. I was blown away by it. Fucking loved it. The pickup was fantastic, as were the suspension and steering. I think this is the one!
Did you test the A7/A8/A5/S5/S6?
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 02, 2013, 10:06:32 AM
Did you test the A7/A8/A5/S5/S6?
No, just the A6. It's the only one I'm considering.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
No, just the A6. It's the only one I'm considering.
So how does it stack up against the 535i?
3.0T V6?
Quote from: MrH on November 02, 2013, 10:23:15 AM
3.0T V6?
I doubt the pick up is that good with the 2.0T and Dave doesn't want a diesel, soooooo
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 02, 2013, 10:22:45 AM
So how does it stack up against the 535i?
I liked it better. I can't really put my finger on why. I think it's a combination of the pickup, steering and suspension. And it's a good deal less money.
Quote from: MrH on November 02, 2013, 10:23:15 AM
3.0T V6?
Yes. I wouldn't consider the 2.0. WTF, too slow!
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 02, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
I doubt the pick up is that good with the 2.0T and Dave doesn't want a diesel, soooooo
It's not that I don't want the diesel. It's just that I would pay more for it, and not really get enough of the main benefit since I drive so little.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 10:28:30 AM
Yes. I wouldn't consider the 2.0. WTF, too slow!
How many cars have you considered?
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 02, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
How many cars have you considered?
I've looked at the BMW 5-series and 6-series, and the Audi A6 and A7. I have considered the diesel and even the hybrid, but I'm not sure either one really works for me. If I drove a lot of highway miles, I would probably get the diesel, but as it is, I only drive 8,000 per year.
I like the shape of the A6 better than the A7 (just as I like the 5-series better than the 6-series). I prefer the more square look to the coupe look.
I'd even be tempted to go smaller, but I take people in the back seat a lot, and I want it to be comfortable.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 11:06:36 AM
I've looked at the BMW 5-series and 6-series, and the Audi A6 and A7. I have considered the diesel and even the hybrid, but I'm not sure either one really works for me. If I drove a lot of highway miles, I would probably get the diesel, but as it is, I only drive 8,000 per year.
I like the shape of the A6 better than the A7 (just as I like the 5-series better than the 6-series). I prefer the more square look to the coupe look.
I'd even be tempted to go smaller, but I take people in the back seat a lot, and I want it to be comfortable.
All very nice. Have you considered Mercedes...or even Jaguar?
Dave drive the CTS v sport. You owe it to yourself to drive the best driving car in the segment.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 02, 2013, 11:23:25 AM
All very nice. Have you considered Mercedes...or even Jaguar?
I don't care for Mercedes. I worry about Jaguar's spotty repair record.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 02, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
Dave drive the CTS v sport. You owe it to yourself to drive the best driving car in the segment.
I can't get past the narrow vertical rear lights. They always make me think there must be a dead body in the trunk.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 11:54:25 AM
I don't care for Mercedes. I worry about Jaguar's spotty repair record.
They've had a spotty past alright but improved a great deal with foreign ownership. Might be fun to take for a drive.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 02, 2013, 12:14:14 PM
They've had a spotty past alright but improved a great deal with foreign ownership. Might be fun to take for a drive.
Jag improved greatly under Ford's ownership, but have they climbed further since being bought by Tata?
Quote from: MX793 on November 02, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
Jag improved greatly under Ford's ownership, but have they climbed further since being bought by Tata?
Good question. I'd heard that Tata poured in a lot of money.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 11:56:17 AM
I can't get past the narrow vertical rear lights. They always make me think there must be a dead body in the trunk.
Hard to argue with about 450hp and 500tq for $65K
Quote from: 68_427 on November 02, 2013, 01:52:48 PM
Hard to argue with about 450hp and 500tq for $65K
There's nothing rational about car choices. It's all irrational. I associate Cadillac with organized crime, so to me, it's a downscale brand.
Is it possible that the BMW 5-series and Audi A6 are a comparable price for similar options? Or am I screwing something up? I "built" my own car on each of the websites, chose the options I want, and in both cases, the price is coming in a hair below $60K.
I assumed the BMW would be a few grand more expensive with comparable options.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 01:59:19 PM
There's nothing rational about car choices. It's all irrational. I associate Cadillac with organized crime, so to me, it's a downscale brand.
No matter how good the car is, it still looks like a Cadillac.
I will forever associate Cadillacs with old people, ghetto donks, and GM mediocrity.
It's hard to imagine them on the same level as the Germans.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Is it possible that the BMW 5-series and Audi A6 are a comparable price for similar options? Or am I screwing something up? I "built" my own car on each of the websites, chose the options I want, and in both cases, the price is coming in a hair below $60K.
I assumed the BMW would be a few grand more expensive with comparable options.
Why would you assume that?
They're typically pretty equivalent in terms of price. A Mercedes E-class will probably be right there too.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 02, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
No matter how good the car is, it still looks like a Cadillac.
I will forever associate Cadillacs with old people, ghetto donks, and GM mediocrity.
It's hard to imagine them on the same level as the Germans.
That's the problem I have. I also associate them with organized crime. Any time I see those thin vertical rear lights, I picture the car pulling off from a dark deserted road after dumping a body in the marsh alongside it.
Quote from: MrH on November 02, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
Why would you assume that?
They're typically pretty equivalent in terms of price. A Mercedes E-class will probably be right there too.
I had always heard that BMW had a bit of a premium. I haven't done any comparison pricing for cars in a very long time.
BMW seems to have changed their marketing strategy. A lot more seems to be standard now, rather than as an option as in the past. With both cars, I chose very few options once I chose the model that I wanted.
I found the websites less than totally illuminating, which is a little surprising.
Bottom line though, the A6 just seemed to drive in a sportier way. It had a lighter, faster feel to it.
And it's like you think that's a bad thing.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 10:28:04 AM
I liked it better. I can't really put my finger on why. I think it's a combination of the pickup, steering and suspension. And it's a good deal less money.
I know why, it's because you fell in love with Ron('s A6)
Quote from: SVT_Power on November 02, 2013, 06:41:53 PM
I know why, it's because you fell in love with Ron('s A6)
I doubt it. I never drove Ron's car.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
I doubt it. I never drove Ron's car.
I dunno, you had a pretty big grin when you were in that A6...
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 06:07:51 PM
That's the problem I have. I also associate them with organized crime. Any time I see those thin vertical rear lights, I picture the car pulling off from a dark deserted road after dumping a body in the marsh alongside it.
Any real mobster knows that if its trunk space you're after, you go with the Chrysler.
I see Cadillacs as the car that the working stiff worked himself up to. It was the working class definition of "having arrived" to own a brand new Cadillac. Maybe that leaves them forever as a sort of second class car, but if it does, I don't see it as anything to be looked down on. The BMWs and Mecedes always drew with them the subtext of belonging to an image conscious social climber to me, while I associate Rolls Royce with mustard that comes in jars.
Get a diesel A6.
Quote from: CJ on November 02, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
Get a diesel A6.
I'm reconsidering diesel now and thinking seriously about that. Do you know anything about the repair record of the diesel vs. the gasoline engine for that model?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 02, 2013, 06:52:44 PM
Any real mobster knows that if its trunk space you're after, you go with the Chrysler.
I see Cadillacs as the car that the working stiff worked himself up to. It was the working class definition of "having arrived" to own a brand new Cadillac. Maybe that leaves them forever as a sort of second class car, but if it does, I don't see it as anything to be looked down on. The BMWs and Mecedes always drew with them the subtext of belonging to an image conscious social climber to me, while I associate Rolls Royce with mustard that comes in jars.
They all have their image issues I guess. I'd rather be considered an image conscious social climber than a gangster, I guess.... :lol:
Quote from: SVT_Power on November 02, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
I dunno, you had a pretty big grin when you were in that A6...
He must have been driving like a maniac. :lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
They all have their image issues I guess. I'd rather be considered an image conscious social climber than a gangster, I guess.... :lol:
I happen to like that hint of dangerous dark-side associated with the brand. Audis, OTOH, seem to be cars for high-income hipsters. I do love me some A7, though...
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 02, 2013, 08:03:40 PM
I happen to like that hint of dangerous dark-side associated with the brand. Audis, OTOH, seem to be cars for high-income hipsters. I do love me some A7, though...
Haha, there's a guy I'm friendly with on the train who probably fits that description. He's a major Audi guy, always extolling the virtues of Audi and urging me to get one. He dresses on the hipster side -- a certain type of jeans with a suit jacket. I wish I could dress that way for work.... :lol:
Not surprised that you like the hint of a dark side to the brand..... :evildude:
One thing to consider is that Audi is offering a $1,500 manufacturer's discount to buyers who are switching from either BMW, Mercedes or Lexus.
I spent $9000 on my BMW and people think I'm loaded. If I had spent $9000 on a pickup truck, I'd look like a poor hillbilly.
Image is important when choosing a car. :lol:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 02, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
I spent $9000 on my BMW and people think I'm loaded. If I had spent $9000 on a pickup truck, I'd look like a poor hillbilly.
Image is important when choosing a car. :lol:
It is. I am ambivalent about image. I'm relatively low key, but I clearly care about image somewhat or else I'd be driving a Ford. I do find that some people give more respect when they see I'm driving a BMW. That's not the way it should be, but it is what it is.
While I don't necessarily aspire strongly to any particularly image, there are certain images, even negative ones, that I don't mind being associated with, and there are certain images that I actively seek to avoid.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 08:48:25 PM
It is. I am ambivalent about image. I'm relatively low key, but I clearly care about image somewhat or else I'd be driving a Ford. I do find that some people give more respect when they see I'm driving a BMW. That's not the way it should be, but it is what it is.
While I don't necessarily aspire strongly to any particularly image, there are certain images, even negative ones, that I don't mind being associated with, and there are certain images that I actively seek to avoid.
So, what do you want to be; a lowlife thug, or a hipster twat?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 02, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
So, what do you want to be; a lowlife thug, or a hipster twat?
Oh he's got hipster twat all over him.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 02, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
So, what do you want to be; a lowlife thug, or a hipster twat?
Given that choice, a hipster twat... :lol:
I can't pull off the lowlife thug image anyway. I'm too old and WASPy to even attempt it.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
One thing to consider is that Audi is offering a $1,500 manufacturer's discount to buyers who are switching from either BMW, Mercedes or Lexus.
You're actually considering those gussied up Volkswagens? :evildude:
BMW or nothing.
Audi it is then!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 02, 2013, 08:54:49 PM
Audi it is then!
:lol:
I don't mind the hipster twat or rich prick image that much. I find it helps set expectations because in person, I'm actually quite nice and people are then pleasantly surprised and I get a good reaction.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 02, 2013, 08:54:45 PM
You're actually considering those gussied up Volkswagens? :evildude:
BMW or nothing.
I love the BMW too but I've already had 2 and it might be time to try something else. Plus I really liked the way the Audi drove. It has the edge over BMW on drive quality. The last time I did a competitive test-drive, in 2000, BMW won hands down over Audi. Things change.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 08:48:25 PM
While I don't necessarily aspire strongly to any particularly image, there are certain images, even negative ones, that I don't mind being associated with, and there are certain images that I actively seek to avoid.
Others may see a negative connotation; I see an opportunity to stand apart from the crowd :praise:
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 02, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
Others may see a negative connotation; I see an opportunity to stand apart from the crowd :praise:
Dude, as long as you continue to drive fast and wear Pumas, I won't question your taste in anything.... :lol:
If you've taken to driving the Caddy like an old man, then I will bust your balls relentlessly!
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 03, 2013, 01:20:13 AM
Definitely do not do that
Reasoning? I'm curious to hear what you think.
STFU up on diesels everyone. Dave said he doesn't care about fuel economy. There's no reason to buy a diesel over a gas model if fuel economy is not a primary concern.
I'm inclined to agree.
In Europe, a diesel would be a no-brainer (says the person who did not follow this advice!), but as you Merrycans are not taxed on CO2 emissions (and boy, will we Europeans laugh when you are!), and as the diesel costs more to buy and Dave does not do a huge mileage, then it is not going to be cheaper. So that raises the question which is: is it "better". Certainly, the usable torque of a diesel is very appealing, but the 3.0T Audi engine is such a glorious unit that it lacks not for torque either, and it does sound that much nicer.
So, I'd say no diesel for Dave.
(I also think that a test drive of an XF is called for - of the 3 German luxury saloons in this class, I thought the Jag at least in the version I tested, a 3.0D S beat them all).
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 03, 2013, 07:34:23 AM
STFU up on diesels everyone. Dave said he doesn't care about fuel economy. There's no reason to buy a diesel over a gas model if fuel economy is not a primary concern.
I do care about fuel economy. That's why I won't get an 8-cylinder car. But I don't know if I drive enough miles where the benefits of diesel will exceed the costs for me. Diesels excel in highway driving, and most of my driving is around town, stop-and-go.
Well a diesel will almost always be more economical than a petrol........ but you will need to build a cost model to see if the extra cost of the car and the fuel is balanced out by the better consumption. For someone doing your sort of mileage, Dave, I'd be surprised if it is.
(You can make it more sophisticated, of course, if you add in residuals, different cost for insurance, cost of money etc)
Quote from: Colin on November 03, 2013, 11:20:24 AM
Well a diesel will almost always be more economical than a petrol........ but you will need to build a cost model to see if the extra cost of the car and the fuel is balanced out by the better consumption. For someone doing your sort of mileage, Dave, I'd be surprised if it is.
(You can make it more sophisticated, of course, if you add in residuals, different cost for insurance, cost of money etc)
I think you're probably right. The one wild card that I don't know that much about is reliability an repairs. How would you say that varies between gasoline and diesel? What about ability to start/perform well in cold weather?
Petrol superior. Diesel inferior.
Reliability - probably nothing in it, certainly not for the mileage you are likely to do. There are plenty of taxis in Europe with 300 - 500,000 miles on them still performing perfectly acceptably, though some of the latest innovations (complex automatic boxes etc) may well not have that sort of inherent longevity.
Cold weather performance? If you lived in Minnesota, I might worry about a diesel, but even in your moderately chilly winters, there should be no issues with the dread diesel waxing. Most fuel companies use additives these days to remove the problem.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 02, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
I just took the Audi A6 for a test drive. I was blown away by it. Fucking loved it. The pickup was fantastic, as were the suspension and steering. I think this is the one!
:ohyeah:
I think it's a great choice for you. Which engine? 3.0T?
Quote from: Raza on November 04, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
:ohyeah:
I think it's a great choice for you. Which engine? 3.0T?
Yes.
S4, Dave?
Ha! So this morning, I drove to work with my wife because she's coming down to this area again in the afternoon, so she thought it would be easier to go home with one car. She's telling me that I should get myself a car that can drive in the car pool lane.. Only reasonable choices available right now is the Volt and the Prius plug in... but i'm thinking to myself.... fuck that.. I want a C7....
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 04, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
S4, Dave?
Probably too small. I think the A6 is the one for me.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 05, 2013, 03:31:37 PM
So the Audi it is...or are you still looking?
I haven't made a final decision yet, but I'm leaning that way. It may come down to which car I can get a better deal on.
(http://www.jaguarusa.com/Images/XJ_SWB_FLYOUT-624x275_tcm97-36374_desktop_624x275.jpg)
...or are we not spending that much $$$?
Quote from: Vinsanity on November 05, 2013, 07:07:01 PM
(http://www.jaguarusa.com/Images/XJ_SWB_FLYOUT-624x275_tcm97-36374_desktop_624x275.jpg)
...or are we not spending that much $$$?
How much is that?
holy crap...!
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4368/itop.jpg) (http://www.truecar.com/prices-new/jaguar/xj-pricing/)
No way
Quote from: dazzleman on November 05, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Probably too small. I think the A6 is the one for me.
It's probably worth a test sit at the very least, no? What are your space needs?
Quote from: dazzleman on November 05, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Probably too small. I think the A6 is the one for me.
Worth a try, dude. What do you need all that room for? My dad sometimes regrets not having bought a 335 over his 535.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 06, 2013, 12:25:32 AM
Worth a try, dude. What do you need all that room for? My dad sometimes regrets not having bought a 335 over his 535.
Dave needs room for three 400 lb whores. He also likes Amazons so legroom is important.
S4s aren't that roomy in the back if you've got to put adults back there.
I don't blame him for wanting A6 size vs S4, as an only car plus he's older. S4 is tight in the back (granted I haven't been in a new one).
Who cares if its tight in the back?
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 06, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
Who cares if its tight in the back?
Dave does. He said he needed more rear seat space because he often carries adults (presumably conscious) in the back seat.
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 06, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
Who cares if its tight in the back?
Once you're older than like 22, you care.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 06, 2013, 01:47:29 PM
Once you're older than like 22, you care.
:lol:
Sounds funny coming from a 34 year old who had a Corvette as his only car for years.
He's right. Four doors and decent rear leg room make a big difference if you are the chauffeur of choice in your circle of friends.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 06, 2013, 01:47:29 PM
Once you're older than like 22, you care.
I don't care.
Quote from: Raza on November 06, 2013, 11:49:53 AM
Dave does. He said he needed more rear seat space because he often carries adults (presumably conscious) in the back seat.
Bold assumption :lol:
Quote from: Northlands on November 06, 2013, 05:56:22 PM
He's right. Four doors and decent rear leg room make a big difference if you are the chauffeur of choice in your circle of friends.
Solution: buy a 2 seater, and never be stuck being the chauffeur. One of the BRZs selling points actually.
Quote from: MrH on November 06, 2013, 07:52:58 PM
Bold assumption :lol:
Solution: buy a 2 seater, and never be stuck being the chauffeur. One of the BRZs selling points actually.
Pfft. You still have another seat. You are now chauffeur to one!
Drop the stupidity on Cadillac and check out the new CTS.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/cadillac-s-cts-takes-aim-at-bmw-5-series-jason-h-harper.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/cadillac-s-cts-takes-aim-at-bmw-5-series-jason-h-harper.html)
Quote from: Raza on November 06, 2013, 02:34:36 PM
:lol:
Sounds funny coming from a 34 year old who had a Corvette as his only car for years.
I'm abnormal though, and I was 25 when I got it. I need a car w/ a real back seat now. And I just turned 33.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 07, 2013, 10:18:18 AM
I'm abnormal though, and I was 25 when I got it. I need a car w/ a real back seat now. And I just turned 33.
I took a guess. I was close though.
It would sound funny coming from me too, it wasn't a swipe or anything. I'm 30 or so and I only have a 2 seater, on summer tires, in the northeast.
Apparently the new CTS just won Motor Trend's Car of the Year...
Granted, looking back, a lot of terrible cars won this award, so I don't value it all that much. There's a video on YouTube about it I plan on watching later. I'll link it once I get home.
2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport vs 2013 Lexus GS350 F Sport! - Head 2 Head Ep. 45 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9faBE_ceJY#ws)
Dave needs a CTS V-Sport.
Eh, I don't know I'm w/ Dave on this one. I wouldn't drive a caddilac of you gave it to me.
I don't think the new CTS is nearly as handsome as the outgoing model.
Its guard to argue with a car that stopes like a Porsche, handles like a Corvette, goes like an MP3, and rides like, well... a Cadillac. All for less that the 535i/A6 you were looking at.
I disagree.......... I think it will be very hard to get people who like a BMW, Audi or Mercedes to change their buying habits and go Cadillac. Indeed, Jag have found this with the XF, which in the opinion of many journalists is at least as good if not better, and yet total sales are a fraction of those for the German trio.
And I suspect that sales of the CTS outside America, just like with the last model, will approximate to the square root of zero.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 08, 2013, 12:45:50 PM
Its guard to argue with a car that stopes like a Porsche, handles like a Corvette, goes like an MP3, and rides like, well... a Cadillac. All for less that the 535i/A6 you were looking at.
Goes like an MP3? You mean the Mazda Protege MP3 Edition? What the hell is an MP3?
My phone auto corrected M3 to mp3
Well, if he likes the A6, it's a pretty different looking vehicle than the CTS-V. It'll be hard to convince anyone really to consider a car that far off in aesthetics alone. Both are great cars ability wise, but the Audi is pretty easy on the eyes.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 06, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
I don't care.
You don't drive people around much then. If you only have 4 people in your car 2-3 times a year then it's not big deal. If you do it more then that it is a big deal.
One of the reasons I got the RX-8 over the G37s was because if I went with the G my friends wold want me to drive all the time because I'm better at.
A lot of Cadillac negativity here. The car looks handsome, performs excellent and is American. I'd get one if I could afford it.
American cars have a negative reputation with some people. I know more then one person who would never buy American.
Quote from: Catman on November 08, 2013, 06:02:36 PM
A lot of Cadillac negativity here. The car looks handsome, performs excellent and is American. I'd get one if I could afford it.
I like it too. But if one is swooning over an Audi, I'm not sure they'd be attracted to the CTS. And vice versa.
Quote from: Catman on November 08, 2013, 06:02:36 PM
A lot of Cadillac negativity here. The car looks handsome, performs excellent and is American. I'd get one if I could afford it.
GM finally builds the type of car that enthusiast have wanted for decades and now they complain about it being a Cadillac......
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 08, 2013, 07:57:48 PM
GM finally builds the type of car that enthusiast have wanted for decades and now they complain about it being a Cadillac......
Exactly, what a bunch of pretentious clowns!
That is quite the review. Wowzers. I think the previous model looked better - though - and now at 4,000 lbs and 196" long it's a big ass car. But wow, sounds killer.
Quote from: 68_427 on November 07, 2013, 11:52:19 PM
2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport vs 2013 Lexus GS350 F Sport! - Head 2 Head Ep. 45 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9faBE_ceJY#ws)
Why the GAP between the LEDs? Looks like the designers wanted a continuous line, and some decided it would be cheaper to interrupt it.
Why not one of each. A classy, elegant, silver A6 for those evenings at the symphony when you feel like dressing up in a tux and a then bright red CTS-V when your feeling a little crazy and want to dress up in your favourite raver gear and hit a couple of the local hot spots. :ohyeah:
I'm pretty proud of Cadillac and their amazing turn around over the years.
Quote from: Catman on November 09, 2013, 06:04:39 AM
I'm pretty proud of Cadillac and their amazing turn around over the years.
Cadillac has a good range if models now. A lot of the old guys around here drive them...not the CTS-V.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 09, 2013, 06:08:44 AM
Cadillac has a good range if models now. A lot of the old guys around here drive them...not the CTS-V.
That's the whole problem with them.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 09, 2013, 06:37:02 AM
That's the whole problem with them.
Sounds like situation bias. There's probably a lot of older guys driving them just like there's a lot of older guys driving Mercedes and BMW's. The new BMW 5's look soft. The A6 you can't go wrong with but it's German and they have a bad history with Nazis and stuff. Plus look at this shit.
(http://www.nlhs.com/images/hindenburg/big_hindenburg_explodes_over_lakehurst.jpg)
Cadillac is American.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSe-qld1Sf7y2LUF19UkpQHYR1r9n21S96qfc7tM-FTDKKsRPDhFg)
Quote from: Catman on November 09, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
Sounds like situation bias. There's probably a lot of older guys driving them just like there's a lot of older guys driving Mercedes and BMW's. The new BMW 5's look soft. The A6 you can't go wrong with but it's German and they have a bad history with Nazis and stuff. Plus look at this shit.
(http://www.nlhs.com/images/hindenburg/big_hindenburg_explodes_over_lakehurst.jpg)
Cadillac is American.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSe-qld1Sf7y2LUF19UkpQHYR1r9n21S96qfc7tM-FTDKKsRPDhFg)
Cadillac is part of Government Motors.
Speaking of Cadillac I had a nightmare that I bought am escalade last night.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 09, 2013, 07:13:08 AM
Speaking of Cadillac I had a nightmare that I bought am escalade last night.
That is a nightmare. I hate those ghettolicious cars.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 09, 2013, 06:55:46 AM
Cadillac is part of Government Motors.
You should at least check one out.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 09, 2013, 07:16:05 AM
That is a nightmare. I hate those ghettolicious cars.
We had a car service last night and the guy had an escalade that must be where the idea came from. It was comfortable as a passenger but I'd never want to own one.
In my dream I was like wtf am I going to do w/ my 4 runner now ... And will this behemoth fit in my garage?
I like the tahoe and suburban, though.
Quote from: Catman on November 09, 2013, 07:17:46 AM
You should at least check one out.
I have to think about it. I've always been anti-Cadillac but of course it's based more on the image of Cadillacs in the past, which were often pimpmobiles or gindoloon two-tone horrors that broke down every time you drove them around the block. It takes a lot to overcome such ingrained impressions.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 09, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
I have to think about it. I've always been anti-Cadillac but of course it's based more on the image of Cadillacs in the past, which were often pimpmobiles or gindoloon two-tone horrors that broke down every time you drove them around the block. It takes a lot to overcome such ingrained impressions.
Audi's drive themselves through the front windows of Dunkin Donuts.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 09, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
I have to think about it. I've always been anti-Cadillac but of course it's based more on the image of Cadillacs in the past, which were often pimpmobiles or gindoloon two-tone horrors that broke down every time you drove them around the block. It takes a lot to overcome such ingrained impressions.
Funny, because my dad, who's a decade older than you, would never consider a Cadillac because the ingrained impression he has of Caddy drivers is... you.
:lol:
I unfortunately work on Cadillacs these days. I suppose they're ok cars but I'm still not sold on things like the interiors and stuff being as nice as the German cars. That I must also unfortunately work on too.
I think, among other things, Cadillacs don't age well. I feel like every time there's a new/redesigned CTS everyone raves about it yet within 3 years it already looks stale. Audi/BMW have much more classic designs that age much better. They also depreciate like shit.
Quote from: Rupert on November 09, 2013, 01:53:50 PM
Funny, because my dad, who's a decade older than you, would never consider a Cadillac because the ingrained impression he has of Caddy drivers is... you.
:lol:
Jealously is such a negative emotion. It's so much better to look down on people than to be jealous.... :lol:
FWIW, the only Audi drivers I'm jealous of are the ones in A7's :devil:
Quote from: dazzleman on November 09, 2013, 06:55:46 AM
Cadillac is part of Government Motors.
:erjerbs: :neverforget:
Quote from: Lebowski on November 09, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
I think, among other things, Cadillacs don't age well. I feel like every time there's a new/redesigned CTS everyone raves about it yet within 3 years it already looks stale. Audi/BMW have much more classic designs that age much better. They also depreciate like shit.
How can they look dated? The new CTS looks basically like the last one, which looked exactly like the one before that. Each one just gets a little more extreme looking.
I wouldn't say no to a CTS-V--but I'd rather have a current (outgoing, I guess) CTS-V wagon or coupe or a first gen CTS-V sedan. 400 horsepower and manual-only....like an M5, but a Cadillac.
Quote from: Raza on November 09, 2013, 10:39:22 PM
How can they look dated? The new CTS looks basically like the last one, which looked exactly like the one before that. Each one just gets a little more extreme looking.
I wouldn't say no to a CTS-V--but I'd rather have a current (outgoing, I guess) CTS-V wagon or coupe or a first gen CTS-V sedan. 400 horsepower and manual-only....like an M5, but a Cadillac.
Most domestic cars IMO don't age well, including every previous CTS. I can't really explain it, it's just something that is.
There are only a handful of domestic cars I'd buy, of which the Corvette is the notable standout. Other than that, maybe the Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon if I needed the size (I don't). I would never buy anything from a domestic luxury mark, Cadillac included, the brand mismanagement there has been truly remarkable. I don't blame Dave one bit for not considering it.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 10, 2013, 05:35:47 AM
Most domestic cars IMO don't age well, including every previous CTS. I can't really explain it, it's just something that is.
They lost their way trying to rediscover their new look in the '90s...when the imports found theirs. They're doing better now but GM still looks a bit too cluttered with bits that don't flow with the overall design, imo.
I think the last CTS model looks good. I wouldn't call it dated.
Well, we're very close to buying a car. It's no BMW, but we found a mint condition 2010 Elantra Touring (wagon ) GLS Sport. Only 26,000 kms and a clean insurance history. They're asking $12800 for it. Fully loaded, still has warranty, auto ( for my wife, going to be her car ). If all goes well tomorrow and everything checks out, I could have some new photos to post in a couple of days time.
What color?
Wagon :ohyeah:
It looks like this:
(http://www.hyundaiinthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2010-Hyundai-Elantra-Touring-GLS.jpg)
Pretty much a spitting image of the car. The dealer just got the car in over the weekend, so no pictures of it yet on the website. We test drove it today, and I was surprised at how well it drove. Fairly tight little wagon and competent power. It felt a lot different than driving the sedan version of the car. It handled much better.
That's a good looking car
Quote from: Northlands on November 12, 2013, 06:50:55 PM
It looks like this:
(http://www.hyundaiinthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2010-Hyundai-Elantra-Touring-GLS.jpg)
Pretty much a spitting image of the car. The dealer just got the car in over the weekend, so no pictures of it yet on the website. We test drove it today, and I was surprised at how well it drove. Fairly tight little wagon and competent power. It felt a lot different than driving the sedan version of the car. It handled much better.
That actually looks pretty good. Is it different from the version they sell in the US? I thought Hyundai only sells their slash-and-gash styled cars here.
Quote from: Raza on November 12, 2013, 09:12:09 PM
That actually looks pretty good. Is it different from the version they sell in the US? I thought Hyundai only sells their slash-and-gash styled cars here.
That's the previous gen Elantra Touring. It was sold here.
It also IIRC, shares very little in common with the Elantra Sedan. The Elantra Touring is the wagon version of the european i30. It also drives pretty nicely, whereas the sedan does not.
Interesting. Didn't even know those things exist here really. I don't think I've seen one on the road before.
Quote from: Raza on November 12, 2013, 09:12:09 PM
That actually looks pretty good. Is it different from the version they sell in the US? I thought Hyundai only sells their slash-and-gash styled cars here.
I don't think it was different. They stopped making them in 2012 I think. Current wagon-ish Elantra sold now is the GT. But the Touring models I think were the same here.
Quote from: Northlands on November 12, 2013, 06:50:55 PM
Pretty much a spitting image of the car. The dealer just got the car in over the weekend, so no pictures of it yet on the website. We test drove it today, and I was surprised at how well it drove. Fairly tight little wagon and competent power. It felt a lot different than driving the sedan version of the car. It handled much better.
What's the engine specs?
Imo, Hyundai is the second most desirable everyday brand for us middle-class people. The only problem I have with it is the emblem. I have an inane prejudice against automotive emblems that are not symmetrical.
Quote from: Northlands on November 12, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
I don't think it was different. They stopped making them in 2012 I think. Current wagon-ish Elantra sold now is the GT. But the Touring models I think were the same here.
Rest of world's 1st gen i30 Touring was sold as Elantra Touring in US (complete with engines to stop you all wingeing about underpowered 1.6 petrols and diesels). Now you get the rest of world's second gen i30 5 door hatchback as the Elantra GT (again with different engines from the Euro spec cars). Europe gets a 3 door and an estate version of the i30 as well.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 13, 2013, 04:54:27 AM
What's the engine specs?
Imo, Hyundai is the second most desirable everyday brand for us middle-class people. The only problem I have with it is the emblem. I have an inane prejudice against automotive emblems that are not symmetrical.
Heh heh.
Engine output is 138 hp. 2 litre. I think the EPA is 23 city 30-31 highway.
Quote from: Colin on November 13, 2013, 07:46:46 AM
Rest of world's 1st gen i30 Touring was sold as Elantra Touring in US (complete with engines to stop you all wingeing about underpowered 1.6 petrols and diesels). Now you get the rest of world's second gen i30 5 door hatchback as the Elantra GT (again with different engines from the Euro spec cars). Europe gets a 3 door and an estate version of the i30 as well.
I wish we'd get to see a little more of what's offered in Europe. I'd certainly be interested in the Kia Cee'd as well. Or at least my wife would.
Working on the details right now, but looks like I'll be adding an '09 Element to the collection in the next week or two. I plan on waiting until the spring before I decide whether I'm going to keep the BRZ or sell it and get something more fun (maybe an Elise, 987 boxster-s, or cayman-s). I'm leaning towards keeping the BRZ for awhile.
It's the cheapest and safest route and is more likely to get driven than something like an Elise.
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 04:41:06 PM
Working on the details right now, but looks like I'll be adding an '09 Element to the collection in the next week or two. I plan on waiting until the spring before I decide whether I'm going to keep the BRZ or sell it and get something more fun (maybe an Elise, 987 boxster-s, or cayman-s). I'm leaning towards keeping the BRZ for awhile.
It's the cheapest and safest route and is more likely to get driven than something like an Elise.
Forget the BRZ, get the Elise! YOLO
Quote from: NomisR on November 13, 2013, 04:57:29 PM
Forget the BRZ, get the Elise! YOLO
All aluminum body that could be totaled on a pot hole makes me nervous. Roads here aren't kind.
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 05:20:50 PM
All aluminum body that could be totaled on a pot hole makes me nervous. Roads here aren't kind.
Insurance dude
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 04:41:06 PM
Working on the details right now, but looks like I'll be adding an '09 Element to the collection in the next week or two. I plan on waiting until the spring before I decide whether I'm going to keep the BRZ or sell it and get something more fun (maybe an Elise, 987 boxster-s, or cayman-s). I'm leaning towards keeping the BRZ for awhile.
It's the cheapest and safest route and is more likely to get driven than something like an Elise.
You got any interest in motorcycles, or are you strictly a four wheel guy?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 13, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
Insurance dude
Yeah, that's the fear. I haven't gotten a quote yet.
Quote from: J86 on November 13, 2013, 05:52:49 PM
You got any interest in motorcycles, or are you strictly a four wheel guy?
I know I will undoubtedly want a liter bike and will kill myself in a week. 4-wheel motorcycles I'll do. Tried to follow a lead on an ariel atom years back in Cincinnati. Sold before I could even look at it.
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 05:20:50 PM
All aluminum body that could be totaled on a pot hole makes me nervous. Roads here aren't kind.
And I've heard they're particularly frail as they get older. I was talking with some of the local SCCA guys about maybe looking for a used Elise and got a few horror stories.
It's not so good to have a gingerbread car.
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/tips-buying-used-elise-exige-including-information-salvage-titles-26509/ (http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/tips-buying-used-elise-exige-including-information-salvage-titles-26509/)
AHHH. That is terrifying. Sounds like a Cayman or Boxster is a much safer buy than the paper mache Elise. You know it's a fragile car when a Porsche is considered the "safer" buy. But Caymans and Boxsters seem impossible to work on.
The more I dive in, the more the BRZ seems like the real winner. :wub:
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 07:32:53 PM
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/tips-buying-used-elise-exige-including-information-salvage-titles-26509/ (http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/tips-buying-used-elise-exige-including-information-salvage-titles-26509/)
AHHH. That is terrifying. Sounds like a Cayman or Boxster is a much safer buy than the paper mache Elise. You know it's a fragile car when a Porsche is considered the "safer" buy. But Caymans and Boxsters seem impossible to work on.
The more I dive in, the more the BRZ seems like the real winner. :wub:
I looked into used Caymans in the past. Getting into one it's that bad but having anything done to them cost an arm and a leg. Any sports care will cost you but those things just seemed like too much to me.
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 05:20:50 PM
All aluminum body that could be totaled on a pot hole makes me nervous. Roads here aren't kind.
Yeah, that was pretty much why I walked away from the one I test drove.
E92 m3 seems like the best idea if I decide to replace the brz.
For now, I plan on getting the element on Saturday and keeping the brz for fun snow dorifto.
Quote from: MrH on November 14, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
E92 m3 seems like the best idea if I decide to replace the brz.
For now, I plan on getting the element on Saturday and keeping the brz for fun snow dorifto.
Why would you replace the brz you just got it?
Quote from: Lebowski on November 15, 2013, 06:33:38 AM
Why would you replace the brz you just got it?
Not enough power to cure tiny penis syndrome.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 15, 2013, 06:33:38 AM
Why would you replace the brz you just got it?
Just considering it. For now, the plan is to keep it. We'll see.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2013, 08:03:20 AM
Not enough power to cure tiny penis syndrome.
The butthurt is strong with this one...
Quote from: MrH on November 15, 2013, 08:06:48 AM
Just considering it. For now, the plan is to keep it. We'll see.
The butthurt is strong with this one...
You can sleep in the bed you made, with your tiny penis, your extraordinary ego, and your complete lack of how automotive suspension works.
I still don't get spending 20K on a low mileage beater cute ute.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 15, 2013, 08:29:26 AM
You can sleep in the bed you made, with your tiny penis, your extraordinary ego, and your complete lack of how automotive suspension works.
I can't tell if this is an attempt to troll, or a grown man throwing a tantrum.
Quote from: Raza on November 15, 2013, 08:40:47 AM
I still don't get spending 20K on a low mileage beater cute ute.
Not spending anywhere near $20k. I own a house. A two seater as an only vehicle in this situation doesn't really work. Think of it more as a cargo van that can also carry people when need be. It's far more utilitarian than something like a CR-V or Rav4. They're damn near bullet proof, so I'm getting the newest, lowest mile example for the cheapest price I can. Plan is to keep it around for as long as it'll run, and then I'm free to play with my fun car all I want. I can keep the BRZ on jack stands for a few days while working on it and still have a way to get to work.
It's worth the cost in my mind.
Quote from: MrH on November 15, 2013, 09:18:23 AM
Not spending anywhere near $20k. I own a house. A two seater as an only vehicle in this situation doesn't really work. Think of it more as a cargo van that can also carry people when need be. It's far more utilitarian than something like a CR-V or Rav4. They're damn near bullet proof, so I'm getting the newest, lowest mile example for the cheapest price I can. Plan is to keep it around for as long as it'll run, and then I'm free to play with my fun car all I want. I can keep the BRZ on jack stands for a few days while working on it and still have a way to get to work.
It's worth the cost in my mind.
Still think a Forester 2.5XT would be a better overall experience. That way your second car could still be fun to drive.
But, if the Element works for you, it works for you. Hope everything goes well.
Quote from: MrH on November 15, 2013, 09:18:23 AM
I can't tell if this is an attempt to troll, or a grown man throwing a tantrum.
Not spending anywhere near $20k. I own a house. A two seater as an only vehicle in this situation doesn't really work. Think of it more as a cargo van that can also carry people when need be. It's far more utilitarian than something like a CR-V or Rav4. They're damn near bullet proof, so I'm getting the newest, lowest mile example for the cheapest price I can. Plan is to keep it around for as long as it'll run, and then I'm free to play with my fun car all I want. I can keep the BRZ on jack stands for a few days while working on it and still have a way to get to work.
It's worth the cost in my mind.
Yeah I'm smashing my keyboard and foaming at the mouth. I just can't wait for you to be a bigger asshole. :wanker:
Quote from: MrH on November 13, 2013, 07:32:53 PM
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/tips-buying-used-elise-exige-including-information-salvage-titles-26509/ (http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f94/tips-buying-used-elise-exige-including-information-salvage-titles-26509/)
AHHH. That is terrifying. Sounds like a Cayman or Boxster is a much safer buy than the paper mache Elise. You know it's a fragile car when a Porsche is considered the "safer" buy. But Caymans and Boxsters seem impossible to work on.
The more I dive in, the more the BRZ seems like the real winner. :wub:
Most of those problems aren't really problems...
The body problems are pretty much mostly due to the cost of replacing the front and read clam shells than anything. I think they're about $5000 each, so as long as you don't run into anything, you're fine. And just remember, these do not have 5mph bumpers..
Toe links aren't really an issue either for daily driven cars, if you track it though, I would recommend an aftermarket upgrade which is pretty cheap as well. Or if you car has a track pack, it's not much of an issue.
Pretty much, most of the recommendations are what you would look out for with any used cars. As long as you don't get a 05, most of the problems are avoided. The standard items are no more expensive to maintain then a regular car and is really easy to do yourself. Oil change is kinda a pain to do w/o a lift though simply because you have to remove the rear diffuser but it's cheap and easy.
Actually, I would say the biggest pain i've had with the car was replacing the headlights because you have to pull off your front wheels to do it.. :lol: Other than that you're ok... oh and the fact that you'll likely have to replace your rears every 5000 miles if you want stock quality performance, and 7500 to 10000 for the fronts. You'll most likely heat cycle them out before you run out of treads.
Quote from: Raza on November 15, 2013, 09:42:01 AM
Still think a Forester 2.5XT would be a better overall experience. That way your second car could still be fun to drive.
But, if the Element works for you, it works for you. Hope everything goes well.
Yeah, it'd be a lot more fun to drive, no argument there. They're really tough to find though. I've got a coworker who's been looking for one and he can't find a clean one anywhere. There's quite a substantial difference in cargo space between the two too. I'll give up some fun in exchange for practicality at this point, sadly. Hauling things like dry wall and flooring is much easier in an Element.
Quote from: MrH on November 15, 2013, 10:49:18 AM
Yeah, it'd be a lot more fun to drive, no argument there. They're really tough to find though. I've got a coworker who's been looking for one and he can't find a clean one anywhere. There's quite a substantial difference in cargo space between the two too. I'll give up some fun in exchange for practicality at this point, sadly. Hauling things like dry wall and flooring is much easier in an Element.
Do you put up a lot of walls?
Two car lifestyle I found to be a PITA. More insurance and state taxes, more work to keep cars clean and maintained, and then of course sacrificing parking and storage. The G37x pretty much fills that role for me, what with ski and bike racks, and dedicated snow tires. I will say I no longer do my own house and lawn work, so in the couple times a year I do need to haul stuff I have a handyman that will do it.
My alignment was out (wandering really bad on the freeway) and the local tire shop said the alignment can't get much worse - was super bad. I do a lot of gravel road driving, and have hit some massive pot holes at speed, so the G is taking a bit of a beating. I'm surprised that with 18" wheels and 45 series tires I have blown a tire or nuked a rim. Meh, small price to pay. All in all though it's holding up well to the (ab)use.
Quote from: Raza on November 15, 2013, 11:32:20 AM
Do you put up a lot of walls?
There's a lot of home ownership type stuff where it's just handy to have a midsize (or larger) truck. Drywall is just one example.
Quote from: MX793 on November 15, 2013, 01:10:55 PM
There's a lot of home ownership type stuff where it's just handy to have a midsize (or larger) truck. Drywall is just one example.
Renting a truck from Home Depot for an hour would actually be way cheaper than paying insurance, maintenance, taxes, gas on a dedicated truck. Unless that truck only costs $500 and you have plenty of garage space and so forth..
Quote from: Raza on November 15, 2013, 11:32:20 AM
Do you put up a lot of walls?
I'm redoing my garage and basement, so yes, I do :lol:
Well, we pick up the Elantra Touring on Tuesday.
2010 GLS Sport
26500 kilometers.
Clean vehicle history. One owner, zero accidents. Recent trade in.
Also comes with a set of winter tires and rims. Command start too.
My wife is thrilled. It's replacing her car.
Photos to follow.
Quote from: NomisR on November 15, 2013, 01:24:59 PM
Renting a truck from Home Depot for an hour would actually be way cheaper than paying insurance, maintenance, taxes, gas on a dedicated truck. Unless that truck only costs $500 and you have plenty of garage space and so forth..
If your only other vehicle is a 2-seater (or near-2-seater), having a second, practical vehicle makes sense. Useful for hauling stuff, useful for carrying passengers when you need to, and you can buy something that's better in the snow if you live where it snows (as well as save your fun car from a salt-induced corrosion death). I'd maybe save $300 a year (most of that being insurance) if I ditched the Mazda and ran the Mustang year-round. But looking under at the underbody of the Mustang and seeing no rust at all, I consider that a small price to pay. Not to mention that the Mustang has a lot of features that would make it miserable in the snow (windshield washer nozzle placement is such that they're sure to ice up and potentially be damaged while removing ice/snow, windows are extremely prone to freezing shut due to the way the seals are designed, among others).
Maintenance is a wash since when you're driving one car, you're not driving the other (and therefore not putting any wear and tear on it). By my owning a winter car and a not-winter car, I drive each car less than if I drove either year round. I doubt my annual maintenance costs with two cars are any higher than with one since I only drive one at any given time.
Quote from: MrH on November 15, 2013, 01:25:33 PM
I'm redoing my garage and basement, so yes, I do :lol:
Ah, then I get it.
But still, you should have let them finish building your house before you moved in. ;)
Quote from: NomisR on November 15, 2013, 01:24:59 PM
Renting a truck from Home Depot for an hour would actually be way cheaper than paying insurance, maintenance, taxes, gas on a dedicated truck. Unless that truck only costs $500 and you have plenty of garage space and so forth..
Or a goddamn utility trailer that any car can pull
Quote from: Raza on November 15, 2013, 01:54:33 PM
Ah, then I get it.
But still, you should have let them finish building your house before you moved in. ;)
That was actually one of the reasons I bought this house. The garage has drywall up on half of it. The basement is studded and wired in (but that needs some work), but no drywall or floor. It's 2, simple, relatively low cost projects that'll add instant equity. I kind of view it as risk assurance that if I need to sell quickly, I have justification for listing higher than I bought.
Quote from: MrH on November 15, 2013, 01:25:33 PM
I'm redoing my garage and basement, so yes, I do :lol:
Use plywood for the garage walls instead of drywall. Better for hanging tools and stuff.
Quote from: Rupert on November 15, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Use plywood for the garage walls instead of drywall. Better for hanging tools and stuff.
I'll end up just hanging racks from the studs. Plywood does not make for good resale.
Psh, weak. Paint it or something, then. Maybe use hardwood plywood or some other finished stainable plywood.
IMO, a garage with drywall is just a place to park a car, and a garage with wood walls is a place to work.
My garage is concrete all the way around.
Quote from: Rupert on November 15, 2013, 02:57:39 PM
Psh, weak. Paint it or something, then. Maybe use hardwood plywood or some other finished stainable plywood.
IMO, a garage with drywall is just a place to park a car, and a garage with wood walls is a place to work.
Plywood or OSB looks like shit.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 15, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
Plywood or OSB looks like shit.
OSB or standard plywood looks like shit: clear poplar or birch looks just fine. What works even better is 1/4" drywall over the top of OSB.
I still don't understand why you can't get a used ass beat CR-V, but oh well.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 15, 2013, 04:38:31 PM
I still don't understand why you can't get a used ass beat CR-V, but oh well.
+1
Quote from: 2o6 on November 15, 2013, 04:38:31 PM
I still don't understand why you can't get a used ass beat CR-V, but oh well.
or a pickup truck?
I will say I like having two cars. It's not the cheap option but is convenient.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 15, 2013, 06:33:38 AM
Why would you replace the brz you just got it?
:hesaid:
The BRZ is a fine car. Since cars depreciate a good amount when they're driven off the lot, jumping around with new cars is a very expensive proposition.
Mike, you're in your wealth building years right now, and the wealth you build now will make your life much better in future years. Don't piss your money away on stupid shit that brings no real benefit. Jumping around from car to car is just the male version of a woman who has to have a new pocketbook for every occasion, and it's significantly more expensive. Keep the BRZ for a while longer. It's a fine car. And don't get a second car. You don't need it. There's no sense in having depreciating assets that you don't need sitting around gathering dust or being underused.
Or if you're going to want to jump around betwen cars, consider leasing - you don't take the whole tax lump with each transaction.
Quote from: Laconian on November 16, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
Or if you're going to want to jump around betwen cars, consider leasing - you don't take the whole tax lump with each transaction.
That depends on what state you live in. If you live in a state that taxes vehicles as part of registration (registration fees based on vehicle value), you still pay the same taxes as if you bought the car. Not sure how it works with states that charge regular sales tax at time of purchase.
Quote from: MX793 on November 16, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
That depends on what state you live in. If you live in a state that taxes vehicles as part of registration (registration fees based on vehicle value), you still pay the same taxes as if you bought the car. Not sure how it works with states that charge regular sales tax at time of purchase.
Easy.
You lie.
Oh yeah. You wouldn't believe the deals I've got on some of the cars I've had.
Current plan is to keep the brz. Bought an element today :praise:
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Current plan is to keep the brz. Bought an element today :praise:
I guess the money was burning a hole in your pocket?
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
Current plan is to keep the brz. Bought an element today :praise:
New thread time!
Quote from: dazzleman on November 16, 2013, 04:18:41 PM
I guess the money was burning a hole in your pocket?
Meh not really. Got a good deal on it, and it's worth the price of admission to be able to carry things. Glad I did it.
I was driving behind one the other day. He had 2 bikes in it. I almost get it.
It appears that there's no option for a hitch on the BRZ at the moment. Bummer. I guess that kind of forces you to buy a second car if you want to haul shit.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 16, 2013, 05:02:08 PM
I was driving behind one the other day. He had 2 bikes in it. I almost get it.
It appears that there's no option for a hitch on the BRZ at the moment. Bummer. I guess that kind of forces you to buy a second car if you want to haul shit.
I'm sure somebody has put a hitch on one.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2013, 05:04:41 PM
I'm sure somebody has put a hitch on one.
Would you want to risk voiding your warranty?
I have no doubt that the car could tow 1000 lbs, but Subaru doesn't want you to.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 16, 2013, 05:06:50 PM
Would you want to risk voiding your warranty?
I have no doubt that the car could tow 1000 lbs, but Subaru doesn't want you to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act)
Your warranty cannot be voided because of modifications you've made unless those modifications specifically caused the defect you're making a warranty claim for.
Quote from: MrH on November 16, 2013, 04:48:20 PM
Meh not really. Got a good deal on it, and it's worth the price of admission to be able to carry things. Glad I did it.
I guess the BRZ isn't that practical to have as your only car.
:lol: no it's not. Not while owning a house at least.
No place for a tow hitch either. The exhaust sits right where any hitch could possibly go.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 16, 2013, 06:55:13 PM
I guess the BRZ isn't that practical to have as your only car.
Psh, I just made a Home Depot trip with the Z4.
Quote from: Raza on November 16, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
Psh, I just made a Home Depot trip with the Z4.
To buy lightbulbs?
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/kaskin260/BRZ/temporary_zps4eb8f4c6.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1011518_10200770708287725_1706166437_n.jpg)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act)
Your warranty cannot be voided because of modifications you've made unless those modifications specifically caused the defect you're making a warranty claim for.
And guess who has the burden of proving that ;). (Hint: it's not the automaker.)
Quote from: GoCougs on November 16, 2013, 11:10:19 PM
And guess who has the burden of proving that ;). (Hint: it's not the automaker.)
Meh. Its one of those things that rarely goes to court for small things like automobiles. You argue about it for a while, and the guy usually gives in.
Quote from: Raza on November 16, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
Psh, I just made a Home Depot trip with the Z4.
Your first ever?
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 16, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
To buy lightbulbs?
Boxes. Small boxes. Medium boxes wouldn't fit in my trunk.
But I fit 12 boxes! And other stuff.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/SpinRaza/null_zpsb6669e9a.jpg)
Quote from: Rupert on November 17, 2013, 01:47:16 AM
Your first ever?
I've been to Home Depot before. Right after Playboy did their women of Home Depot spread. I was disappointed.
Quote from: Raza on November 17, 2013, 12:36:57 PM
Boxes. Small boxes. Medium boxes wouldn't fit in my trunk.
But I fit 12 boxes! And other stuff.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/SpinRaza/null_zpsb6669e9a.jpg)
Just an FYI. There are plenty of businesses out there that will give away cardboard boxes. I guess it would depend if you are looking for specific sizes of course. Otherwise many of these things are just tossed into recycling bins everywhere behind many warehouses. Some of these stores ask a lot of money for cardboard.
For real. I actually keep my boxes from move to move so I don't have to fuck around with trying to find more. I have some really nice boxes.
Quote from: Northlands on November 17, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Just an FYI. There are plenty of businesses out there that will give away cardboard boxes. I guess it would depend if you are looking for specific sizes of course. Otherwise many of these things are just tossed into recycling bins everywhere behind many warehouses. Some of these stores ask a lot of money for cardboard.
Thanks, but those boxes are literally 74 cents each. Not a big expense.
Quote from: Rupert on November 17, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
For real. I actually keep my boxes from move to move so I don't have to fuck around with trying to find more. I have some really nice boxes.
The boxes I used to move last time were already used twice before, so I tossed them.
I think I've used some of mine for four moves. :huh:
Quote from: Rupert on November 17, 2013, 07:22:41 PM
I think I've used some of mine for four moves. :huh:
:huh:
Oh well. I wouldn't have had enough boxes anyway. When I moved three years ago, I didn't have nearly as much stuff as I do now, apparently. I'm shocked at how much stuff I have.
Depends how often you move I guess, storing a bunch of boxes to me is a far bigger pain than the minor cost of buying new boxes.
Storing boxes is more of a pain than driving to the store to buy boxes at least once? Sure, if you don't have the storage space to spare; otherwise, no way.
Quote from: Raza on November 18, 2013, 07:45:00 AM
:huh:
Oh well. I wouldn't have had enough boxes anyway. When I moved three years ago, I didn't have nearly as much stuff as I do now, apparently. I'm shocked at how much stuff I have.
Yeah, shit does accumulate. I get rid of stuff whenever I move and there is still a huge pile.
Quote from: Rupert on November 18, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
Storing boxes is more of a pain than driving to the store to buy boxes at least once? Sure, if you don't have the storage space to spare; otherwise, no way.
Storing shit in general is a pain and a waste of space, hoarder.
Moving co I've used delivers boxes and buys back any unused ones, so no "pain" of driving to the store.
Moving company? LOL!
Even though Im not rich enough to use a moving company :lol: I agree with lebowski. Storing a shit ton of boxes is just a bunch of clutter. I'll just buy new boxes when it's time to move again.
I can get them for free from work.
Quote from: Raza on November 17, 2013, 12:36:57 PM
Boxes. Small boxes. Medium boxes wouldn't fit in my trunk.
But I fit 12 boxes! And other stuff.
(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/SpinRaza/null_zpsb6669e9a.jpg)
No trunk liner? Poor man's BMW. :lol:
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 18, 2013, 06:17:11 PM
No trunk liner? Poor man's BMW. :lol:
Trunk liner? Like a trunk mat? It's there, it's just buried under stuff.
On the trunk lid. It's just steel.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 18, 2013, 03:47:48 PM
Storing shit in general is a pain and a waste of space, hoarder.
Moving co I've used delivers boxes and buys back any unused ones, so no "pain" of driving to the store.
Last time I moved (10 years ago) I had the moving company do all my packing, so I didn't need boxes at all.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 18, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
Last time I moved (10 years ago) I had the moving company do all my packing, so I didn't need boxes at all.
You're an even bigger snob than me.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 18, 2013, 08:06:38 PM
You're an even bigger snob than me.
Not a snob, just lazy. I had too much stuff and was too busy at work.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 18, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
Not a snob, just lazy. I had too much stuff and was too busy at work.
I know, I hate that shit. Main reason I packed my own stuff this time was I saw it as an opportunity to go through everything and throw shit away. I threw a lot away, but still have too much shit.
Quote from: Lebowski on November 18, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
I know, I hate that shit. Main reason I packed my own stuff this time was I saw it as an opportunity to go through everything and throw shit away. I threw a lot away, but still have too much shit.
My mistake was not going through my stuff before. I ended up throwing out a lotn of stuff after I had paid to pack and move it.
The moving company puts the shit in their boxes for me :huh:
I've been looking at the Chevy Volt and it's beginning to look like a reasonable proposition.
MSRP at $39995 for a 2013, and you can reasonably negotiate down to about $35500, plus cash back of $7000, so you're looking at $28500, and then add in $7500 federal tax credit, and then $1500 state tax credit.. i'm basically looking at $19500 + TTL for a 2013 Chevy Volt, plus some decent fuel savings and HOV lane usage. What do you guys think?
I'm mainly looking at the HOV lane usage which will save over an hour a day in driving time, and everything else + new car is just an added benefit..
ChrisV likes his and he's owned a bazillion other cars, though he seems to have a high tolerance for automotive idiosyncracies.
Quote from: Laconian on November 19, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
ChrisV likes his and he's owned a bazillion other cars, though he seems to have a high tolerance for automotive idiosyncracies.
He like's the PT Cruiser.. nuff said.. :lol:
But I actually didn't mind the Volt when I drove it. It's steering was nicely weighted, not stupidly light nice majority of the cars today. It's brakes is actually normal and not like a Toyota hybrid where it feels like it has a piece of wood for brake pads. Good acceleration. The only major downside is really the trunk space and not a lot of backseat room, but then it's a 4 door, and overall interior room is the same as my RSX right now.
It's just... bland...
Quote from: dazzleman on November 18, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
Last time I moved (10 years ago) I had the moving company do all my packing, so I didn't need boxes at all.
That's my next move....
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dream next car= red with sunroof, seats 7, and can tow > 3000lbs. Thinking Flex, Highlander, Pilot, etc...
(someday want to do camp trailer)
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Seems Volts should be sold in crazy crazy colors to attract attention (plus the boring silver/greys)
-I'd rock one. I could probably do 90% of my commute without gas...
My parents started down the route of a midsize SUV but apparently towing trailers really needs a Big Truck, especially if you're going up and down mountains.
Quote from: NomisR on November 19, 2013, 03:00:19 PM
I've been looking at the Chevy Volt and it's beginning to look like a reasonable proposition.
MSRP at $39995 for a 2013, and you can reasonably negotiate down to about $35500, plus cash back of $7000, so you're looking at $28500, and then add in $7500 federal tax credit, and then $1500 state tax credit.. i'm basically looking at $19500 + TTL for a 2013 Chevy Volt, plus some decent fuel savings and HOV lane usage. What do you guys think?
I'm mainly looking at the HOV lane usage which will save over an hour a day in driving time, and everything else + new car is just an added benefit..
Meh, the next one will be much better, but it's still a ways out.
Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2013, 06:15:23 AM
Meh, the next one will be much better, but it's still a ways out.
Yeah, I know. But I can't wait.. since the HOV stickers in CA are limited in availability so most likely they won't last that long.
Plus I can use them till 2019. And hell, at $20k... seems reasonable for since cars that price are around the same size.
Quote from: NomisR on November 21, 2013, 09:51:04 AM
Yeah, I know. But I can't wait.. since the HOV stickers in CA are limited in availability so most likely they won't last that long.
Plus I can use them till 2019. And hell, at $20k... seems reasonable for since cars that price are around the same size.
And the new one won't have the same discounts and may even have a higher sticker price.
Quote from: NomisR on November 21, 2013, 09:51:04 AM
Yeah, I know. But I can't wait.. since the HOV stickers in CA are limited in availability so most likely they won't last that long.
Plus I can use them till 2019. And hell, at $20k... seems reasonable for since cars that price are around the same size.
Well, then yeah, I'd jump on it. They aren't bad cars by any means. Since I have no idea how HOV lanes work: Does it stay with the car, or the driver? Can you eventually replace the volt with something like a Model S in a few years and transfer it? Can you sell it years down the road when they've stopped giving them out?
When I was in San Diego the other week, I was blown away by the "express lanes". You pay a few bucks, and you get to travel in 2 lanes that the peon traffic doesn't get to drive in. It was bizarre. We don't have anything like that in Ohio.
Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
Well, then yeah, I'd jump on it. They aren't bad cars by any means. Since I have no idea how HOV lanes work: Does it stay with the car, or the driver? Can you eventually replace the volt with something like a Model S in a few years and transfer it? Can you sell it years down the road when they've stopped giving them out?
When I was in San Diego the other week, I was blown away by the "express lanes". You pay a few bucks, and you get to travel in 2 lanes that the peon traffic doesn't get to drive in. It was bizarre. We don't have anything like that in Ohio.
HOV lanes usually works with 2 or more and sometimes 3 or more in CA. CARB allows cars with ZEV to be able to drive in the HOV lanes which currently includes EV, and plug in hybrids, Hydrogen, and CNG vehicles.
The stickers are non-trasferable as they go with the car, there's currently 2 types, Green and white. The green ones are recent that only came out when the Plug In Hybrids came out which replaced the yellow hybrid ones that expired. The white ones have been around for 10+ years now that are only available to EV, Hydrogen, and CNGs. The white ones will most likely still be around after 2019 while the Green ones will simply expire.
There's also Express Lanes that you can use to avoid traffic like you said which also applies to car pool eligible vehicles, but you need to actually have Express Pass to be able to access it.
So pretty much, if I get the Volt, it'll be around until the HOV sticker expires. With the cost of $20k though, it seems like an worthwhile upgrade. At 30 or $40k... not so much.
I plan to buy the A6 in mid-December. I'm just waiting for my bonus number now.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
I plan to buy the A6 in mid-December. I'm just waiting for my bonus number now.
How are you going to option it out?
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 23, 2013, 11:19:26 AM
How are you going to option it out?
I think the Premium Plus or something like that. I have the information at home.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 11:59:45 AM
I think the Premium Plus or something like that. I have the information at home.
Interior/exterior color?
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 23, 2013, 12:03:42 PM
Interior/exterior color?
Moonlight blue exterior with naugat brown interior.
Yay for not grey/silver!
I might have to get the new Mitsubishi Mirage, as long as someone makes a trailer hitch for it. Them MPG, them sticker price. No fun cars until my shop is built.
Quote from: Rupert on November 23, 2013, 12:16:45 PM
Yay for not grey/silver!
I know. I like darker cars so much better. I always regretted getting silver on my current car.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
I plan to buy the A6 in mid-December. I'm just waiting for my bonus number now.
Diesel or no?
x2
Quote from: Rupert on November 23, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
x2
I'm trying to be more ecologically friendly with the smaller engine. It has all the power I need. More is a waste of money for the initial purchase, gas and insurance, and can only get me in trouble. I'll get in enough trouble with the 6 cylinder. That thing is FUN to drive and begs to go fast.... :pullover: :lockedup:
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 08:51:35 PM
I'm trying to be more ecologically friendly with the smaller engine. It has all the power I need. More is a waste of money for the initial purchase, gas and insurance, and can only get me in trouble. I'll get in enough trouble with the 6 cylinder. That thingnis FUN to drive and begs to go fast.... :pullover: :lockedup:
Yeah but it's your money, so I want you to spend it on the S6.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
I plan to buy the A6 in mid-December. I'm just waiting for my bonus number now.
That's cool, can't wait to see pics.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 08:51:35 PM
I'm trying to be more ecologically friendly with the smaller engine. It has all the power I need. More is a waste of money for the initial purchase, gas and insurance, and can only get me in trouble. I'll get in enough trouble with the 6 cylinder. That thingnis FUN to drive and begs to go fast.... :pullover: :lockedup:
Look at this fuckin' hippie.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 23, 2013, 08:51:35 PM
I'm trying to be more ecologically friendly with the smaller engine. It has all the power I need. More is a waste of money for the initial purchase, gas and insurance, and can only get me in trouble. I'll get in enough trouble with the 6 cylinder. That thingnis FUN to drive and begs to go fast.... :pullover: :lockedup:
Who cares, it's not like money's a problem for you. What are you going to remember more when you're 90, your TT V8 S6, or your little economical supercharged V6 A6
Quote from: Rupert on November 24, 2013, 12:12:36 AM
Look at this fuckin' hippie.
I'm a rebel to my last breath.. :praise:
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 24, 2013, 12:35:33 AM
Who cares, it's not like money's a problem for you. What are you going to remember more when you're 90, your TT V8 S6, or your little economical supercharged V6 A6
I'll be very happy with the A6. I am a guy of low-key and modest tastes.
Nice, I like the Audi. blue on brown will look great.
I just went on the Audi website for the first time in a long while, wtf is this "Progressiv" and "Technik" trim level bs? :wtf:
Quote from: SVT_Power on November 24, 2013, 02:30:54 PM
I just went on the Audi website for the first time in a long while, wtf is this "Progressiv" and "Technik" trim level bs? :wtf:
They've been hiring displaced Ikea designers.
Quote from: J86 on November 24, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
Nice, I like the Audi. blue on brown will look great.
I vote for brown with cream leather interior. Ultra classy.
Quote from: J86 on November 24, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
Nice, I like the Audi. blue on brown will look great.
Thanks man. I want a dark colored car. I think they look sharp. And I like the brown interior. I've had grey the last two cars, so this will be a nice change.
Quote from: dazzleman on November 24, 2013, 08:00:12 PM
Thanks man. I want a dark colored car. I think they look sharp. And I like the brown interior. I've had grey the last two cars, so this will be a nice change.
Yeah it will. Plus, it's a lot easier to keep clean than lighter colored leathers.
I am seriously thinking I will need a pickup truck for towing and hauling stuff for my land.
Cheap
Rugged
Common
Easy to repair/upgrade
I believe GMT400 is the answer.
A reg cab, long bed, 2wd V6 5-speed would be ideal.
Ha, I'd be looking for an old Ford Highboy 3/4 ton.
Quote from: Rupert on November 29, 2013, 12:38:33 AM
Ha, I'd be looking for an old Ford Highboy 3/4 ton.
What is the most fuel efficient cheap vehicle to tow about 5000 lbs...?
Unimog
Yeah, you want one of these
http://unimogshop.com/ads/1964-mercedes-unimog-404-military-radio-truck-runs-and-drives-great-4x4-monster/ (http://unimogshop.com/ads/1964-mercedes-unimog-404-military-radio-truck-runs-and-drives-great-4x4-monster/)
If I had to put it on the Cool Board, it goes into the sub zero fridge, next to the shooting brake diesel Aston.
$8000 isn't a bad price on a Unimog, but my budget is more like $2000.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 29, 2013, 02:45:47 PM
$8000 isn't a bad price on a Unimog, but my budget is more like $2000.
You can probably sell all the radio equipment from that truck and recoup some of the cost too.
Quote from: NomisR on November 29, 2013, 02:46:36 PM
You can probably sell all the radio equipment from that truck and recoup some of the cost too.
Liquid capital is still a problem.
I dont know if this can tow much more than the Accent, but I need it
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4213527429.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4213527429.html)
I bet it could do Class III, Class II for sure. :lol:
But yes, you really do need that.
Those things are cool. The lady cop who lived across the street from us when I was a kid had a black one that was otherwise the same.
I had two, and they were awesome, even though the engine was dead in the second one.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 29, 2013, 01:17:47 PM
What is the most fuel efficient cheap vehicle to tow about 5000 lbs...?
Duece.
Bonus; you don't need the trailer.
Quote from: Rupert on November 30, 2013, 12:30:31 AM
I had two, and they were awesome, even though the engine was dead in the second one.
You had Unimogs?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on November 29, 2013, 06:37:06 PM
I dont know if this can tow much more than the Accent, but I need it
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4213527429.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4213527429.html)
That's pretty damn clean looking.
Quote from: Rupert on November 30, 2013, 12:42:44 AM
Troopers. Trooper IIs, even.
Oh OK.
Still cool vehicles.
Yeah. Basic, solid, well-built, decently capable, funny looking. If they were better on the highway, I'd probably still own one.
Quote from: Rupert on November 30, 2013, 01:03:00 AM
Yeah. Basic, solid, well-built, decently capable, funny looking. If they were better on the highway, I'd probably still own one.
Can't be any worse than a Samurai on the highway.
Way better than that, but I likes me some relative highway luxury.
Quote from: Rupert on November 30, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
Way better than that, but I likes me some relative highway luxury.
I would like a grand touring sedan for floating down the highway. Does a 300D turbo count?
So long as the highway is flat, almost a little.
Quote from: Rupert on November 30, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
So long as the highway is flat, almost a little.
I said 300D turbo, not 240D.
The time is getting close, and I'm getting excited.
I am scheduled to learn my bonus amount of December 19th. Barring a catastrophe, it will be well in excess of what I need to buy the A6. But being financially cautious and a bit superstitious, I don't want to commit to the purchase until I know for sure.
So December 21st looks like the day I will pull the trigger. I still don't know whether I'll get one out of stock or have to order it. I suspect I'll get one out of stock, since they significantly narrowed down the options packages.
Then the Bimmer will go to my nephew and his wife. They're thrilled beyond belief. They're going to get rid of one of their cars (they have 2 cars, a Kia and a Honda) and start using the Bimmer. I know they'll be good "parents" to the car and have the means to maintain it properly, which was a concern. I know of others who could use a car more, but they don't have means to keep a Bimmer maintained, and I didn't think I'd be doing them any favor giving it to them under the circumstances.
Cool! Im excited for you Dazzle!!!!
Yep, it's exciting.
I'll maintain the Bimmer. What is the tow rating on that?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 08, 2013, 10:44:37 AM
I'll maintain the Bimmer. What is the tow rating on that?
:lol:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on December 08, 2013, 09:57:47 AM
Cool! Im excited for you Dazzle!!!!
Thanks man. I can't wait to post pictures!
Quote from: dazzleman on December 08, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
The time is getting close, and I'm getting excited.
I am scheduled to learn my bonus amount of December 19th. Barring a catastrophe, it will be well in excess of what I need to buy the A6. But being financially cautious and a bit superstitious, I don't want to commit to the purchase until I know for sure.
So December 21st looks like the day I will pull the trigger. I still don't know whether I'll get one out of stock or have to order it. I suspect I'll get one out of stock, since they significantly narrowed down the options packages.
Then the Bimmer will go to my nephew and his wife. They're thrilled beyond belief. They're going to get rid of one of their cars (they have 2 cars, a Kia and a Honda) and start using the Bimmer. I know they'll be good "parents" to the car and have the means to maintain it properly, which was a concern. I know of others who could use a car more, but they don't have means to keep a Bimmer maintained, and I didn't think I'd be doing them any favor giving it to them under the circumstances.
If it's well in excess then the reasonable thing to do would be to buy a R8. ;) (Okay, fine. An S6 would be acceptable.)
Dave in an R8. Hmm. Probably the most appropriate supercar for his personality type, I think.
Brilliant idea!
Not happening...totally impractical. But I was behind one on the road yesterday. It was driven by a grandpa who was going about 2 mph and constantly hesitating.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 09, 2013, 04:16:10 AM
Not happening...totally impractical. But I was behind one on the road yesterday. It was driven by a grandpa who was going about 2 mph and constantly hesitating.
Yeah, that's what my grandpa regretted in his waning years; that he could have made more practical choices in automobiles.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 09, 2013, 04:16:10 AM
Not happening...totally impractical. But I was behind one on the road yesterday. It was driven by a grandpa who was going about 2 mph and constantly hesitating.
Sounds like a portal into your future.
A6 is good money but do S6 for the forum
I will send you $50 towards the purchase
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 09, 2013, 06:48:57 AM
A6 is good money but do S6 for the forum
I will send you $50 towards the purchase
That will really help... :lol:
Quote from: Raza on December 09, 2013, 06:41:52 AM
Sounds like a portal into your future.
And yours, my friend...
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 09, 2013, 05:07:28 AM
Yeah, that's what my grandpa regretted in his waning years; that he could have made more practical choices in automobiles.
I'm not buying a Kia....
Quote from: dazzleman on December 09, 2013, 10:49:16 AM
And yours, my friend...
Not really sure I see myself becoming an old white guy.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 09, 2013, 10:48:45 AM
That will really help... :lol:
Mathematical argument for the S6 upgrade:
S6 net horsepower gain over A6 3.0T: +110 (you best not be caught buying anything less than the 3.0)
S6 net torque gain over A6 3.0T: +81
S6 top speed gain over A6 3.0T: +25
S6 0-60 acceleration gain over A6 3.0T: +0.8 seconds faster
S6 combined fuel economy from A6 3.0T: -2 mpg worse
A6 3.0T price advantage over S6: -$17,450 (when reasonably equipped)
Price of happiness gained by S6 vs. A6: +∞
Net advantage for S6: +∞
I mean, you can't argue with that voodoo math Dave. It's airtight.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 10, 2013, 12:13:48 AM
Mathematical argument for the S6 upgrade:
S6 net horsepower gain over A6 3.0T: +110 (you best not be caught buying anything less than the 3.0)
S6 net torque gain over A6 3.0T: +81
S6 top speed gain over A6 3.0T: +25
S6 0-60 acceleration gain over A6 3.0T: +0.8 seconds faster
S6 combined fuel economy from A6 3.0T: -2 mpg worse
A6 3.0T price advantage over S6: -$17,450 (when reasonably equipped)
Price of happiness gained by S6 vs. A6: +∞
Net advantage for S6: +∞
I mean, you can't argue with that voodoo math Dave. It's airtight.
You're very creative... :lol: With those financial skills, you should be working for the government.
Just get the S6.
Dave buying an S6 over an A6 is like me going to Olive Garden instead of McDonald's for dinner.
Just do it :lol:
Get the S6. Treat yourself (and us).
Dunno about the blind allegiance to the S6. Most all reviews I've read say the A6/A7 is a better package than the S6/S7, noting that the 8sp AT in the former is so much more responsive and smoother than the DSG in the latter that the real-world performance gap is much narrower than the numbers suggest. I'd definitely test drive the dickens out of the S6.
Quote from: Raza on December 09, 2013, 11:53:02 AM
Not really sure I see myself becoming an old white guy.
You already are.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 10, 2013, 12:35:54 PM
Dunno about the blind allegiance to the S6. Most all reviews I've read say the A6/A7 is a better package than the S6/S7, noting that the 8sp AT in the former is so much more responsive and smoother than the DSG in the latter that the real-world performance gap is much narrower than the numbers suggest. I'd definitely test drive the dickens out of the S6.
Well then, clearly the only solution is to step up to an RS7 to get the 8-speed automatic.
Dude, the A7/S7 is awesome. Tried to get my mom into an A7 before she went CLS.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 10, 2013, 04:03:54 AM
You're very creative... :lol: With those financial skills, you should be working for the government.
I use real numbers when they benefit me, show one unfavorable number to make my argument seem well thought out, then make up something impossible to top to close out my case. It's not chicanery when you want to believe it. :lol:
Quote from: MrH on December 10, 2013, 01:42:50 PM
Well then, clearly the only solution is to step up to an RS7 to get the 8-speed automatic.
RS7 is probably my favorite car right now. That thing is simply awesome.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 10, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
RS7 is probably my favorite car right now. That thing is simply awesome.
It's truly stunning. A bit expensive, but truly amazing. On that note.... How generous do you think that bonus going to be, Dave? :lol:
Dave spent $17,000 of his valuable time just reading our arguments.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 10, 2013, 11:27:20 PM
It's truly stunning. A bit expensive, but truly amazing. On that note.... How generous do you think that bonus going to be, Dave? :lol:
:lol:
Not generous enough....
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
Dave spent $17,000 of his valuable time just reading our arguments.
You're probably right....you guys are great at spending my money... :lol:
We're going to denial-of-service your attention span until you cave in and buy a needlessly overpowered car.
Quote from: Raza on December 10, 2013, 01:46:43 PM
Dude, the A7/S7 is awesome. Tried to get my mom into an A7 before she went CLS.
I like the A6 much more than the squashed turtle look of the A7. Diffferent strokes I guess.
I like the A7s looks, but I could see it aging terribly (the rear end). I'd probably take an S6 over an S7
Quote from: GoCougs on December 10, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
RS7 is probably my favorite car right now. That thing is simply awesome.
:hesaid: :clap:
It lists at £82k in the UK - but compared to the £97k which BMW wants for an M6 Gran Coupe - another very very desirable car indeed - although it is pricey, it is not ridiculous for what you get. If only I could get our eco-conscious Fleet Mgmt dept to throw their principles away, and to give a more generous mileage reimbursememt, I am sure I could get the man maths to work... and if not, clearly Wizard could help me to prove that it would be financially sound!
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 11, 2013, 01:54:07 PM
I like the A7s looks, but I could see it aging terribly (the rear end). I'd probably take an S6 over an S7
Something about the A7's rear end reminds me of this
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01845/Lambo-1_1845804i.jpg)
I think it'll age just nicely.
Dave should've definitely gone for the A7. But there's a reason he's rich and I'm not.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on December 11, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
I like the A6 much more than the squashed turtle look of the A7. Diffferent strokes I guess.
:hesaid:
Quote from: Colin on December 11, 2013, 02:14:13 PM
:hesaid: :clap:
It lists at £82k in the UK - but compared to the £97k which BMW wants for an M6 Gran Coupe - another very very desirable car indeed - although it is pricey, it is not ridiculous for what you get. If only I could get our eco-conscious Fleet Mgmt dept to throw their principles away, and to give a more generous mileage reimbursememt, I am sure I could get the man maths to work... and if not, clearly Wizard could help me to prove that it would be financially sound!
The RS7 is notably less expensive than the M6 Gran Coupe (and CLS AMG) in the US as well. FWIW in the December issue C&D put the RS7 way out in front of the other two.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on December 11, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
I like the A6 much more than the squashed turtle look of the A7. Diffferent strokes I guess.
I agree. I considered the A7 but like the look of the A6 better. Price was not a factor.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 11, 2013, 05:46:57 PM
I agree. I considered the A7 but like the look of the A6 better. Price was not a factor.
Hmm... A7 is getting pretty close to that S6 price, so if "price was not a factor" then we're getting closer to the right decision. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on December 11, 2013, 12:29:31 PM
We're going to denial-of-service your attention span until you cave in and buy a needlessly overpowered car.
:lol: Limiting myself to a 6-cylinder is my way of being green. The A6 was a fucking rocket when I drove it. I don't need more power.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 11, 2013, 05:50:52 PM
Hmm... A7 is getting pretty close to that S6 price, so if "price was not a factor" then we're getting closer to the right decision. :lol:
See my above post. It's not just the higher price. It's also more for gas and insurance. And the A6 is already fast enough to get me in a lot of trouble. I don't need more.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 11, 2013, 05:54:23 PM
See my above post. It's not just the higher price. It's also more for gas and insurance. And the A6 is already fast enough to get me in a lot of trouble. I don't need more.
Oh, the question was never about need or you'd be shopping for some subcompact that gets 40mpg. :D I just enjoy encouraging indulgence when someone has the means to do so in a way that won't negatively impact the rest of their life. I understand your logic on insurance, gas, etc, it's just not as much fun as the alternative ;).
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 11, 2013, 06:02:24 PM
Oh, the question was never about need or you'd be shopping for some subcompact that gets 40mpg. :D I just enjoy encouraging indulgence when someone has the means to do so in a way that won't negatively impact the rest of their life. I understand your logic on insurance, gas, etc, it's just not as much fun as the alternative ;).
:lol:
I understand. Trust me, I'm quite indulgent of myself and many of the people around me. I just have to draw the line somewhere. ... :tounge:
Fun when you're not cutting the check.
[killjoy]His enjoyment will regress to baseline levels after 2 months, whether it be with a V6 or V8.[/killjoy]
Quote from: Laconian on December 11, 2013, 06:06:23 PM
Fun when you're not cutting the check.
[killjoy]His enjoyment will regress to baseline levels after 2 months, whether it be with a V6 or V8.[/killjoy]
That only happens to people who drive a boring car that they try to convince themselves is a fun car because even though it's fat as fuck and has an automatic transmission, it's got a fast 0-60 in a magazine comparison.
Quote from: Laconian on December 11, 2013, 06:06:23 PM
Fun when you're not cutting the check.
[killjoy]His enjoyment will regress to baseline levels after 2 months, whether it be with a V6 or V8.[/killjoy]
My level of enjoyment with the Passat has not reverted to baseline yet after a few months, and it's a Passat...
My point is that the extra power would be just an ephemeral novelty to Dave.
Additional hp will take the place of hair...
Quote from: NomisR on December 12, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
Additional hp will take the place of hair...
I try and replace my loss of hair with power. It's the only way. I think Lebowski does the same thing :lol:
Power is a substitute for hair.
Must be why my cars are all low on power.
Quote from: Rupert on December 13, 2013, 01:19:07 PM
Must be why my cars are all low on power.
There's a negative correlation between the amount of hair on my head and the amount of money I have saved up for a turbo for the BRZ.
Actually, if anything, the more hair I have above the neck, the more total horsepower I have.
Quote from: Lebowski on December 13, 2013, 07:39:53 AM
Power is a substitute for hair.
If I were to shave my balls, would my car get faster?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 13, 2013, 04:19:46 PM
If I were to shave my balls, would my car get faster?
Only if you put the shavings in your gas tank.
Pretty sure I want to look for an old Dodge Ram 4x4 to use as my "tractor" for doing crap on my land. Old=carburetor.
Like
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4133587080.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4133587080.html)
Except more beat up and cheaper.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 13, 2013, 04:19:46 PM
If I were to shave my balls, would my car get faster?
It worked for me.
A week from today will probably be the day I pull the trigger.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 07:30:37 AM
A week from today will probably be the day I pull the trigger.
Don't do it man. It's not your fault. Things will get better.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 14, 2013, 07:13:03 AM
Pretty sure I want to look for an old Dodge Ram 4x4 to use as my "tractor" for doing crap on my land. Old=carburetor.
Like
http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4133587080.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/4133587080.html)
Except more beat up and cheaper.
I'm so relieved the seller is willing to consider a better offer than the $2500 asking price. I was going to offer $2800 but was concerned they wouldn't accept it.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 14, 2013, 07:42:50 AM
Don't do it man. It's not your fault. Things will get better.
:lol:
Fun fact: One of the co-main characters in GTA5, a retired bank robber, drives a car resembling an Audi A6. Coincidence? I think not.
(http://www.hdwallpapersimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GTA-5-2013-540x303.jpeg)
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 14, 2013, 01:18:11 PM
Fun fact: One of the co-main characters in GTA5, a retired bank robber, drives a car resembling an Audi A6. Coincidence? I think not.
(http://www.hdwallpapersimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GTA-5-2013-540x303.jpeg)
Only difference is I'm not retired yet! :lol:
How are things with you Vincent? How's the Caddy holding up these days? Any good recent speed stories, or are you still putting on a skirt when you drive these days?
It's called the Obey Tailgater. :lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 01:33:40 PM
Only difference is I'm not retired yet! :lol:
How are things with you Vincent? How's the Caddy holding up these days? Any good recent speed stories, or are you still putting on a skirt when you drive these days?
Caddy's doing alright; it's nearing 100k miles now, so I imagine my mechanic is going to try to talk me into some pretty pricey maintenance items. It may need new tires by then, too, and I'm thinking of downsizing down to 18" rims because 20"s just don't have much treadlife at all. I once considered this thought blasphemous; chalk it up to me getting older everyday.
On the plus side, I'm usually able to find myself in an empty stretch of freeway doing 90+ on the way back from L.A. every weekend.
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 14, 2013, 02:20:51 PM
Caddy's doing alright; it's nearing 100k miles now, so I imagine my mechanic is going to try to talk me into some pretty pricey maintenance items. It may need new tires by then, too, and I'm thinking of downsizing down to 18" rims because 20"s just don't have much treadlife at all. I once considered this thought blasphemous; chalk it up to me getting older everyday.
On the plus side, I'm usually able to find myself in an empty stretch of freeway doing 90+ on the way back from L.A. every weekend.
Nice. Glad to hear you take that skirt off every so often. I love those super fast drives. I was really disappointed because I had one planned for 2 weekends ago, coming back from Boston, and got hit with freezing rain instead.
Nomis:
Tesla Motors plans to debut cheaper car in early 2015 (http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-autos-tesla-model-e-debut-2015-20131213,0,37648.story#axzz2nS5vS8es)
That may be a little past your time table, though...
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
Nice. Glad to hear you take that skirt off every so often. I love those super fast drives. I was really disappointed because I had one planned for 2 weekends ago, coming back from Boston, and got hit with freezing rain instead.
Hey, quattro lives for triple-digit runs through freezing rain!
It was nice knowing you, Dave!
Quote from: Vinsanity on December 14, 2013, 02:38:02 PM
Hey, quattro lives for triple-digit runs through freezing rain!
It was nice knowing you, Dave!
:lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 02:54:38 PM
:lol:
You just have to remember to avoid the understeer. A little Scandinavian flick is the best way to turn a Quattro. Even on dry pavement.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 14, 2013, 07:30:10 AM
It worked for me.
It saves weight, but it also increases your center of gravity.
Quote from: Raza on December 15, 2013, 08:45:44 AM
It saves weight, but it also increases your center of gravity.
What exactly is "increasing" a CoG?
Making it more... centered? Or more gravity. Maybe it's making the center of gravity more in the middle of the car and also increasing gravitational acceleration to 9.9 m/s/s.
Quote from: Rupert on December 15, 2013, 02:29:45 PM
Making it more... centered? Or more gravity. Maybe it's making the center of gravity more in the middle of the car and also increasing gravitational acceleration to 9.9 m/s/s.
Perhaps it makes the center of gravity BIGGER. Mind = blown.
Sent from the center of the universe.
I bet there are black holes involved.
Quote from: Rupert on December 15, 2013, 02:29:45 PM
Making it more... centered? Or more gravity. Maybe it's making the center of gravity more in the middle of the car and also increasing gravitational acceleration to 9.9 m/s/s.
Master Roshi says it is essential to remain well centered.
Ramcharger
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/4210854053.html (http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/4210854053.html)
Well, after a Rotary vehicle, a sub 2000lb car, now, I can add a plug in hybrid electric thing to my resume...
Today, I saved about 45 mins on my way to work... i'll take a couple pix when I get around to it..
Quote from: SVT_Power on December 15, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
What exactly is "increasing" a CoG?
You're taking weight off from below the center of gravity, so shouldn't that raise it? Does it not work like that? I slept through that class I didn't take.
Quote from: Raza on December 16, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
You're taking weight off from below the center of gravity, so shouldn't that raise it? Does it not work like that? I slept through that class I didn't take.
Yeah, CG is just a location though. You're raising it, but it isn't a value, so you can't really increase it. You can increase a dimension, but you can't really increase a location. Ya dig?
Quote from: MrH on December 16, 2013, 02:48:04 PM
Yeah, CG is just a location though. You're raising it, but it isn't a value, so you can't really increase it. You can increase a dimension, but you can't really increase a location. Ya dig?
Jeez, infer a little. When I said "increase", I clearly meant "increase its height". Excuse me for not writing everything out when talking about pube shaving. :lol:
I actually didn't know what you were trying to get at. I'm not even sure that shaving your balls would raise the c of g, at least not in all cars. Balls are probably towards the upper end of the mass of the car on most cars.
Quote from: Rupert on December 16, 2013, 09:29:20 PM
I actually didn't know what you were trying to get at. I'm not even sure that shaving your balls would raise the c of g, at least not in all cars. Balls are probably towards the upper end of the mass of the car on most cars.
I wonder if the owner's manual would have that information. I don't see how it couldn't. That's pretty important to know.
Quote from: Rupert on December 16, 2013, 09:29:20 PM
I actually didn't know what you were trying to get at. I'm not even sure that shaving your balls would raise the c of g, at least not in all cars. Balls are probably towards the upper end of the mass of the car on most cars.
Dave's quite old, so I imagine they hang lower than the average ball. :dance:
Quote from: Raza on December 17, 2013, 08:53:51 AM
Dave's quite old, so I imagine they hang lower than the average ball. :dance:
They're probably hairier too.
At $17,900, and with 45 mpg highway, the 2014 Fiesta SE Ecoboost 1.0 turbeau I3) manual hatchback is the most likely contender for my next car.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 18, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
At $17,900, and with 45 mpg highway, the 2014 Fiesta SE Ecoboost 1.0 turbeau I3) manual hatchback is the most likely contender for my next car.
Get the ST, it's only like 4 grand more and it still gets 38 on the highway.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 21, 2013, 09:19:09 AM
Get the ST, it's only like 4 grand more and it still gets 38 on the highway.
Premium?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 21, 2013, 09:20:29 AM
Premium?
Fuel you mean? Probably recommended but not required, it might make 5-10HP less on regular. Most modern turbo cars have enough room in their engine controls to use regular, I believe.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 21, 2013, 09:28:19 AM
Fuel you mean? Probably recommended but not required, it might make 5-10HP less on regular. Most modern turbo cars have enough room in their engine controls to use regular, I believe.
I would like to believe that, as well. And yes, of course I would like an ST that also gets way better MPG than the Accent.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 21, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
I would like to believe that, as well. And yes, of course I would like an ST that also gets way better MPG than the Accent.
It's pretty common with todays cars. Here it is, straight from the 2014 fiesta st owners manual.
FUEL QUALITY
OCTANE RECOMMENDATIONS
Regular unleaded gasoline with a pump(R+M)/2 octane rating of 87 is recommended. Some stations offer fuels posted as Regular with an octane rating below 87,particularly in high altitude areas.Fuels with octane levels below 87 are not recommended.Premium fuel will provide improved performance and is recommended for severe duty usage such as trailer tow.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 17, 2013, 03:55:11 AM
I wonder if the owner's manual would have that information. I don't see how it couldn't. That's pretty important to know.
Did you get that new Audi yet?
Quote from: FoMoJo on December 21, 2013, 10:15:34 AM
Did you get that new Audi yet?
I'm going to the dealer on Tuesday. I wanted to go today, but I wasn't ready.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 21, 2013, 10:20:50 AM
I'm going to the dealer on Tuesday. I wanted to go today, but I wasn't ready.
Ahhh...Christmas present to yourself.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 21, 2013, 10:20:50 AM
I'm going to the dealer on Tuesday. I wanted to go today, but I wasn't ready.
:golfclap: still leaning towards the 3.0 A6 in dark blue and brown interior? What trim level?
Quote from: MrH on December 21, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
:golfclap: still leaning towards the 3.0 A6 in dark blue and brown interior? What trim level?
Yes, no change. I plan to get the premium plus. That includes all the obligatory stuff. I'm not getting the prestige level trim.
S6??! :winkguy:
Quote from: dazzleman on December 21, 2013, 11:44:38 AM
Yes, no change. I plan to get the premium plus. That includes all the obligatory stuff. I'm not getting the prestige level trim.
Dark blue, brown interior and premium plus?? Sounds damn familiar. You will not be disappointed! Did you do it yet? You need to park this under your Christmas Tree!
Why not spring for a S6, it's probably only like 30-40 grand more.
Quote from: saxonyron on December 22, 2013, 06:04:48 PM
Dark blue, brown interior and premium plus?? Sounds damn familiar. You will not be disappointed! Did you do it yet? You need to park this under your Christmas Tree!
Exactly. I go Tuesday.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 22, 2013, 06:16:46 PM
Why not spring for a S6, it's probably only like 30-40 grand more.
Only? That's a lot more. I have better things to do with that money.
I doubt that... S6!
Quote from: dazzleman on December 22, 2013, 06:17:01 PM
Exactly. I go Tuesday.
You know that's Christmas Eve, right?
Quote from: CJ on December 22, 2013, 07:45:36 PM
You know that's Christmas Eve, right?
Dealers are probably open, but close early
Quote from: CJ on December 22, 2013, 07:45:36 PM
You know that's Christmas Eve, right?
Yes, they're open. I'm going at 9am.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 22, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Only? That's a lot more. I have better things to do with that money.
Dave, we've told you before that filling a room with doubloons and then pretending to swim through them is not a better use of money.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 22, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
Dave, we've told you before that filling a room with doubloons and then pretending to swim through them is not a better use of money.
Have you ever tried it? It's pretty awesome.
Quote from: thewizard16 on December 22, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
Dave, we've told you before that filling a room with doubloons and then pretending to swim through them is not a better use of money.
:lol:
Quote from: MX793 on December 23, 2013, 05:29:48 AM
Have you ever tried it? It's pretty awesome.
No.
I did cover the bottom of my bathtub with pennies and nickels once, but to be honest it wasn't that fun.
I bet the pressure of the metal would crush you at a pretty shallow depth.
S6: it won't smother you, probably.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 23, 2013, 04:00:47 PM
No.
I did cover the bottom of my bathtub with pennies and nickels once, but to be honest it wasn't that fun.
That sounds like instant horror of scum and hair.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 23, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
That sounds like instant horror of scum and hair.
Where the hell are you keeping your pennies?
Buried in a chest in my back yard.
At the dealer now...
Quote from: dazzleman on December 24, 2013, 07:59:59 AM
At the dealer now...
Tell the guy to give you a deal on that S6 that has been sitting on the lot all year. Nobody buys those things, it's the end of the year, time to get rid of old models and boost the sales numbers.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on December 24, 2013, 08:04:36 AM
Tell the guy to give you a deal on that S6 that has been sitting on the lot all year. Nobody buys those things, it's the end of the year, time to get rid of old models and boost the sales numbers.
It's all set. I bought the A6.
Congrats, post some pictures.
Post a pic.
Pix/A6 thread.
Pix or shens!
I don't have it yet. I find out on Friday when it will be delivered.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 24, 2013, 11:41:21 AM
I don't have it yet. I find out on Friday when it will be delivered.
HOT DAMN! Thats my B Day! :cheers:
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on December 24, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
HOT DAMN! Thats my B Day! :cheers:
Nice. Happy early birthday.
:cheers: Congrats Dave! Looking forward to a few pics on Friday! You have no idea how pleased I am with your purchase. Glad the lure of the 4 rings finally dragged you over. Another Audi in Carspinia is a good thing!
Quote from: saxonyron on December 25, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
:cheers: Congrats Dave! Looking forward to a few pics on Friday! You have no idea how pleased I am with your purchase. Glad the lure of the 4 rings finally dragged you over. Another Audi in Carspinia is a good thing!
:hesaid:
You damn audi people, just a bunch of fancy overpriced volkswagens
I am guessing that when Char comes on here and reads of Dave's new acquisition, he will simply burst with indignation.
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 26, 2013, 07:47:42 AM
You damn audi people, just a bunch of fancy overpriced volkswagens
But they're such nice fancy overpriced volkswagens! And did you see how the A6 3.0 kicked the 535xi, E350 and CTS 3.6's butts in C&D this month? Volkswagen my ass!!! :devil:
Quote from: saxonyron on December 26, 2013, 11:14:17 AM
But they're such nice fancy overpriced volkswagens! And did you see how the A6 3.0 kicked the 535xi, E350 and CTS 3.6's butts in C&D this month? Volkswagen my ass!!! :devil:
Advertising dollar pay off.
Quote from: Colin on December 26, 2013, 08:13:32 AM
I am guessing that when Char comes on here and reads of Dave's new acquisition, he will simply burst with indignation.
:lol:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on December 26, 2013, 11:17:46 AM
Advertising dollar pay off.
:lol: I always thought C&D was in bed with BMW. :devil:
Quote from: Colin on December 26, 2013, 08:13:32 AM
I am guessing that when Char comes on here and reads of Dave's new acquisition, he will simply burst with indignation.
80% odds he'll expose the A6 as a shameless rebadge of a VW Sharan.
Quote from: Laconian on December 26, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
80% odds he'll expose the A6 as a shameless rebadge of a VW Sharan.
Hats Off to VW for making that platform super modular.
Quote from: saxonyron on December 26, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
:lol: I always thought C&D was in bed with BMW. :devil:
:lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on December 26, 2013, 04:33:47 PM
Hats Off to VW for making that platform super modular.
The Beetle is an amazing basis for all automobiledom. VWAG4Lyfe
Quote from: dazzleman on December 24, 2013, 11:41:21 AM
I don't have it yet. I find out on Friday when it will be delivered.
Today is the day :praise:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 27, 2013, 01:21:45 AM
Today is the day :praise:
:rockon: I'm supposed to hear today to arrange pickup. I think it will be next week. I need the new car's VIN to arrange insurance before I can pick it up.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 27, 2013, 06:01:56 AM
:rockon: I'm supposed to hear today to arrange pickup. I think it will be next week. I need the new car's VIN to arrange insurance before I can pick it up.
Can't do that over the phone at the dealership?
Quote from: Raza on December 27, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
Can't do that over the phone at the dealership?
I could but that's not the best way. I'm at work today anyway. The insurance is now arranged. They'll be emailing me and the dealer an insurance card today and I'll pick up the car tomorrow. I have to go to the bank tomorrow morning to get a check to pay for the car.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 27, 2013, 10:31:22 AM
I could but that's not the best way. I'm at work today anyway. The insurance is now arranged. They'll be emailing me and the dealer an insurance card today and I'll pick up the car tomorrow. I have to go to the bank tomorrow morning to get a check to pay for the car.
Check? That's so....pedestrian. No fanfare. No showmanship. Get 60,000 $1 coins and throw them at them.
Quote from: Raza on December 27, 2013, 01:24:44 PM
Check? That's so....pedestrian. No fanfare. No showmanship. Get 60,000 $1 coins and throw them at them.
$1 coins are for Canadians. Suitcase full of bills is the way to go.
$60k? You need to go to the bank for that? Can't you just rather the loose change out of your couch and pay for it? :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on December 27, 2013, 01:28:46 PM
$1 coins are for Canadians. Suitcase full of bills is the way to go.
Dollar bills don't hurt when you through them at someone. They're car salesman, not strippers.
(http://www.smalldollars.com/$images/sac_obv.gif)
Quote from: Raza on December 27, 2013, 01:24:44 PM
Check? That's so....pedestrian. No fanfare. No showmanship. Get 60,000 $1 coins and throw them at them.
Throw? No... make it rain.
Raining Gold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKYwY-V2LM#)
( this plus another...er... 59,500 coins. )
When I bought my Abarth, I paid for it with my debit card.... (having warned the bank that there was a sizeable transaction due, just in case their anti-fraud detection systems had a panic attack). I did ask the salesman if he still got people coming in with the proverbial shoe box of used notes, and he said that it does, but not that often - the people who do so are, how can I put this in a PC correct way, well, not the same of socio-economic grouping or mindset as Dave.
But a cheque? ..... I thought that they had all but technically disappeared? I last wrote one in 2008!
One of my utility providers charges $3 for every online billpay transaction. F that noise. I'll spend $0.47 or however much a stamp costs, and they can wait 3 days for the check to come in the mail.
Quote from: Colin on December 27, 2013, 02:58:06 PM
When I bought my Abarth, I paid for it with my debit card.... (having warned the bank that there was a sizeable transaction due, just in case their anti-fraud detection systems had a panic attack). I did ask the salesman if he still got people coming in with the proverbial shoe box of used notes, and he said that it does, but not that often - the people who do so are, how can I put this in a PC correct way, well, not the same of socio-economic grouping or mindset as Dave.
But a cheque? ..... I thought that they had all but technically disappeared? I last wrote one in 2008!
Don't know how it works in the UK, but in the US I don't think dealers take debit / credit because of the transaction fees (like 2% or something).
They are no transactions fees in UK for using Debit Cards, as they are seen as en electronic version of a cheque, with more security. For transactions like this (and assuming you had a large enough credit limit), there would probably be a credit card fee of something like 2%.
IDK what the fee structure is like for debit cards in the USA actually..there might just be a fixed fee per transaction now that I think about it. Not really sure. I get the impression that debit cards are much more widely used in Europe than in the US. Not really sure why that is.
Quote from: Colin on December 27, 2013, 02:58:06 PM
When I bought my Abarth, I paid for it with my debit card.... (having warned the bank that there was a sizeable transaction due, just in case their anti-fraud detection systems had a panic attack). I did ask the salesman if he still got people coming in with the proverbial shoe box of used notes, and he said that it does, but not that often - the people who do so are, how can I put this in a PC correct way, well, not the same of socio-economic grouping or mindset as Dave.
But a cheque? ..... I thought that they had all but technically disappeared? I last wrote one in 2008!
Hmmm. My last few cars (Accord, G37) I paid by personal check. Bank checks are a PITA. I'm sure a dealer would reject a credit/debit card owing to retailer fee (or charge you for it). Onetime online funds transfers are cumbersome. Carrying that much cash is asking for trouble. The dealer can with a quick phone call confirm that the check is good (or not) - works great IMO for big(ish) transactions.
Dealer took my Credit Card when I paid for my Yaris...
The dealer I work at takes Credit Card for sales transactions....we do it all the time.
Quote from: Colin on December 27, 2013, 02:58:06 PM
When I bought my Abarth, I paid for it with my debit card.... (having warned the bank that there was a sizeable transaction due, just in case their anti-fraud detection systems had a panic attack). I did ask the salesman if he still got people coming in with the proverbial shoe box of used notes, and he said that it does, but not that often - the people who do so are, how can I put this in a PC correct way, well, not the same of socio-economic grouping or mindset as Dave.
But a cheque? ..... I thought that they had all but technically disappeared? I last wrote one in 2008!
You Europeans are ahead of the banking curve there. I had a client who had just moved to Cambridge, MA from Sweden. He was a professor at Harvard, PhD, even had a laboratory named after him. When we signed his contract, he literally had no idea how to write a check. It was the 2nd check he'd ever written in his life, the first one being the payment for the house. He sheepishly asked if I would help him write it out. It was pretty funny. He still hasn't noticed that I had him toss in a couple extra zeros and it's been a few years now! :devil:
I think you are right. Debit cards are quite widely used, precisely because they are free to use, whereas in some countries there are transaction fees for using credit cards on everything. The UK outlawed this many years ago for most retail purchases, but some traders charge such a fee and the practice has crept back in for online purchases such as tickets etc, and if you can find a cabbie who takes cards, you can be sure he will charge a fee (largely to discourage you as a credit card has an audit trail which HMRC could follow up on!). The advantage of the Credit Card is that you have some consumer rights/protection/redress against the Credit Card issuer as well as the merchant - useful, for instance, if you booked a package holiday and paid and the holiday firm went bankrupt. Policies on banking fees vary by country - some countries still have free current accounts (UK), whereas others don't (France, Switzerland).
Quote from: Colin on December 27, 2013, 02:58:06 PM
When I bought my Abarth, I paid for it with my debit card.... (having warned the bank that there was a sizeable transaction due, just in case their anti-fraud detection systems had a panic attack). I did ask the salesman if he still got people coming in with the proverbial shoe box of used notes, and he said that it does, but not that often - the people who do so are, how can I put this in a PC correct way, well, not the same of socio-economic grouping or mindset as Dave.
But a cheque? ..... I thought that they had all but technically disappeared? I last wrote one in 2008!
Because of transaction fees, the dealer won't take a card for more than $2,500, which obviously won't get me very far.
The dealer specifically asked for a bank check. This is one of the only uses for a bank check anymore (though I used one to lay my speeding fine a few months ago). BMW took a personal check from me but the Audi dealer will not.
In my business, if a client pays with either debit or credit card, it's over the phone, and the bank takes about 2.7%. Not bad for retail sales, but I majorly discourage clients from doing that on my end since my average payment is over $5,000. Those fees sure as hell add up!
Quote from: dazzleman on December 27, 2013, 03:32:20 PM
Because of transaction fees, the dealer won't take a card for more than $2,500, which obviously won't get me very far.
The dealer specifically asked for a bank check. This is one of the only uses for a bank check anymore (though I used one to lay my speeding fine a few months ago). BMW took a personal check from me but the Audi dealer will not.
Figure a fee of 2% of $55,000 or so, and you're looking at $1,100. I'd bet the salesman isn't making that much on the entire sale!
Quote from: 2o6 on December 27, 2013, 03:18:55 PM
Dealer took my Credit Card when I paid for my Yaris...
You financed a well-used Yaris, so any "taking" was likely very small. Color me unconvinced a dealer is gonna take a credit card for a $25k - $35k transaction...
Quote from: GoCougs on December 27, 2013, 03:36:01 PM
You financed a well-used Yaris, so any "taking" was likely very small. Color me unconvinced a dealer is gonna take a credit card for a $25k - $35k transaction...
I agree. I inquired about it because I wanted to get the rewards points.
There are some dealers in town that will take debit cards ( Interac ) for automotive transactions. We paid by cheque for our most recent car, but debit was an option. I do wonder though if that would have affected the purchase price had we went the debit route? They did ask early on what type of transaction we planned on.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 27, 2013, 03:36:01 PM
You financed a well-used Yaris, so any "taking" was likely very small. Color me unconvinced a dealer is gonna take a credit card for a $25k - $35k transaction...
Yeah, it was only like $1500 they actually took from my card.
We take CC's for downpayments at my dealer, but I THINK there may be a limit. I don't know.
I feel like if any dealer *actually* takes CC, it's a really horrible buy-here-pay-here lot with outrageous interest.
I picked it up!!!! Pictures to follow.
How exciting.
Quote from: Colin on December 28, 2013, 01:17:55 PM
How exciting.
I love it. Lots of fun to drive. Very edgy both in styling and driving capabilities.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 28, 2013, 12:17:43 PM
I picked it up!!!! Pictures to follow.
You're a lot stronger than you look.
Quote from: 2o6 on December 27, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
Yeah, it was only like $1500 they actually took from my card.
We take CC's for downpayments at my dealer, but I THINK there may be a limit. I don't know.
I feel like if any dealer *actually* takes CC, it's a really horrible buy-here-pay-here lot with outrageous interest.
I don't know: I likely get a better interest rate on my cards than most car loans.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 28, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
I don't know: I likely get a better interest rate on my cards than most car loans.
... What? How? BRZ was under 2%. The element is under 3%.
Quote from: MrH on December 28, 2013, 02:56:15 PM
... What? How? BRZ was under 2%. The element is under 3%.
My Amex card is 1.9% for large purchases.
And a lot of cards have 0% introductory rates for 12 or 18 months: if you amortize your car "loan" within that time frame, or even just pay interest on the back half of the loan, you could find yourself ahead of the game when its all said and done.
Of course, you then have to be good about not adding things to that payment schedule during that time frame as well.
I've never bought a car on a credit card. I don't plan on it either; but its not neccesarily a bad idea in all cases.
http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=30074.msg1970990#new (http://www.carspin.net/index.php?topic=30074.msg1970990#new)
Check out the thread on my new A6 including some pictures.
I don't know of any dealers that accept cc.
I used personal checks for both the C6 and 4runner. They pull credit for personal checks iirc.
Quote from: Lebowski on December 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM
I don't know of any dealers that accept cc.
I used personal checks for both the C6 and 4runner. They pull credit for personal checks iirc.
To be honest, I've never asked.
Quote from: Lebowski on December 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM
I don't know of any dealers that accept cc.
I used personal checks for both the C6 and 4runner. They pull credit for personal checks iirc.
Hmmm. During the buying process didn't the dealer(s) just check with your bank to make sure the check was good? That's what happened when I bought both the Accord and G37. They'd be absolutely nuts to take a personal check that large only on faith (i.e., credit rating).
Quote from: GoCougs on December 28, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
Hmmm. During the buying process didn't the dealer(s) just check with your bank to make sure the check was good? That's what happened when I bought both the Accord and G37. They'd be absolutely nuts to take a personal check that large only on faith (i.e., credit rating).
When I bought both BMWs, the dealer took personal checks. I'm guessing they ran a credit check first.
Quote from: GoCougs on December 28, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
Hmmm. During the buying process didn't the dealer(s) just check with your bank to make sure the check was good? That's what happened when I bought both the Accord and G37. They'd be absolutely nuts to take a personal check that large only on faith (i.e., credit rating).
It's been awhile but I'm pretty sure it was just a credit check, no call.
Well, it would be pretty hard for you to disappear after giving them all your information and such.
When I bought the Mustang, the dealer took my credit card for the deposit (which was only a couple hundred dollars), but insisted on a certified bank check when I took delivery.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 28, 2013, 09:36:37 PM
Well, it would be pretty hard for you to disappear after giving them all your information and such.
That's true, but a bounced check would still be a major hassle.
Quote from: MX793 on December 29, 2013, 08:20:44 AM
When I bought the Mustang, the dealer took my credit card for the deposit (which was only a couple hundred dollars), but insisted on a certified bank check when I took delivery.
This seems to be the standard. I was pleasantly surprised when BMW took a personal check from me.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 28, 2013, 12:17:43 PM
I picked it up!!!! Pictures to follow.
Pretty slick Dave! :ohyeah:
Quote from: Lebowski on December 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM
I don't know of any dealers that accept cc.
I used personal checks for both the C6 and 4runner. They pull credit for personal checks iirc.
My friend bought his new Terrain on his Amex at a large GMC/Buick dealership. They didn't want to do it at first, then agreed to it if he would pay the extra amount for the transaction fee, and then forgot to charge him for that fee in the end anyway. Decent little airline miles boost from that purchase.
That blue is so dark it does look black in some photos. What's the name of that color?
Quote from: Raza on December 30, 2013, 12:53:07 AM
That blue is so dark it does look black in some photos. What's the name of that color?
Moonlight blue
Quote from: dazzleman on December 30, 2013, 04:01:11 AM
Moonlight blue
Cool, cool.
By the way, you should have your nephew or someone come over and teach you how to crop and resize photos. Your sig pic is huge!
Quote from: Raza on December 30, 2013, 12:53:07 AM
That blue is so dark it does look black in some photos. What's the name of that color?
Blueish black.
Quote from: dazzleman on December 30, 2013, 04:01:11 AM
Moonlight blue
It's similar to the Monaco Blue my dad has on his 5er. Great choice on the interior and exterior colors, one of my favorite color combos on a car.
Dave what color did you end up getting?
Yes, excellent Internetry.
Quote from: Raza on December 30, 2013, 07:15:11 AM
Cool, cool.
By the way, you should have your nephew or someone come over and teach you how to crop and resize photos. Your sig pic is huge!
Quote from: Rupert on December 29, 2013, 03:31:35 PM
Holy hell that's generous!
Try this for the sig:
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1259/mhrw.jpg)
Quote from: CALL_911 on December 30, 2013, 10:04:41 AM
It's similar to the Monaco Blue my dad has on his 5er. Great choice on the interior and exterior colors, one of my favorite color combos on a car.
Thanks man. You'd love to drive this car. It's so responsive to the right foot. The 2006 (though not the 2001) 5er seems heavy and ponderous in comparison.
Quote from: TBR on December 27, 2013, 03:15:13 PM
IDK what the fee structure is like for debit cards in the USA actually..there might just be a fixed fee per transaction now that I think about it. Not really sure. I get the impression that debit cards are much more widely used in Europe than in the US. Not really sure why that is.
It's fixed for the most part.
Depending on how my finances look with my new job (I start soon here) since it's a substantial bump in pay, I might ditch the Yaris and buy a CPO one of these. Just a passive thought. I'm not 100% sure yet
It would last me through school, and since the Yaris is over the 100K mark, finding a CPO A, B or C segment hatchback/sedan wouldn't be so bad
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/2011_Mazda2_Touring_--_11-30-2010_2.jpg)
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/T/f/2/13_chevy_spark.jpg)
(http://autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20110519/CARNEWS/110519799/AR/0/chevrolet-cruze.jpg)
(http://img3.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/844/media/images/2012_Chevrolet_Sonic_Sedan_1LT_168941.png)
How soon can you get a sweet Chevy discount?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2014, 07:38:06 PM
How soon can you get a sweet Chevy discount?
Probably a week here.
Kinda sucks, at my old job I got a Chevy, Nissan, Hyundai and Mitsubishi discount.
Or I might buy another Yaris, but a hatchback. I don't know.
Go for the turbo Sonic, eh.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2014, 07:48:18 PM
Go for the turbo Sonic, eh.
See, this is a double-edged sword.
After working at my old Chevy dealer, I am now turned off to the 1.4T.
The 1.8L isn't all that great, but at least I know it's generally reliable.
I still like the Sonic, but at my old dealer, I probably would have bought an Accent from our Hyundai store.
If you haven't already driven one, the 1.8-liter Sonic has a mushy manual transmission. I wouldn't recommend that at all; Mazda2 and Accent are both very strong choices with the stick. And in my experience, the Mazda easily beats EPA ratings.
So the turbo isn't quite reliable? Can't be as bad as a diesel Cruze.
Quote from: ifcar on January 19, 2014, 07:53:41 PM
If you haven't already driven one, the 1.8-liter Sonic has a mushy manual transmission. I wouldn't recommend that at all; Mazda2 and Accent are both very strong choices with the stick. And in my experience, the Mazda easily beats EPA ratings.
I didn't find that, and I worked at a Chevrolet Dealer. I don't like Hyundai manuals at all; and the Mazda is out of my new job's dealer network. Obviously working at a Chevy dealer, anything GM bumps up higher.
You should keep the Yaris until you're out if school.
Maybe an Accent, they aren't bad cars.
The current Accent has a pretty nice manual in my experience. Not as precise as the Mazda2 or Fit, but not terribly far off the mark.
(Yes I realize I am really late to this conversation)
Quote from: Raza on November 07, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
I took a guess. I was close though.
It would sound funny coming from me too, it wasn't a swipe or anything. I'm 30 or so and I only have a 2 seater, on summer tires, in the northeast.
You aren't that unusual. I was in my mid-late 20's when I bought my Z3 as my only car. I only had summer tires my first winter with it, but I regretted it. It actually had an LSD, but it still had trouble going uphill even with a slight snowfall.
Quote from: Rupert on January 19, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
You should keep the Yaris until you're out if school.
:hesaid:
Quote from: Rupert on January 19, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
You should keep the Yaris until you're out if school.
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, best to use as little debt as you need, no sense on taking on more..
I didn't ask for that advice.....it was just a thought. :rolleyes:
IMO, it's fine to be a little financially reckless with cars (*ahem*), but in my extensive experience, you should have the income to support it. Not even a huge income, just enough that you don't worry about the month-to-month expenses and enough in savings for emergencies. Doubly so when you don't have a parental safety net.
/avuncular rant
Sorry, we just can't help ourselves. :P
Quote from: 2o6 on January 20, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
I didn't ask for that advice.....it was just a thought. :rolleyes:
This is CarSPIN. You will get the advice whether you want it or not. :praise:
I actually don't think it's too terrible of an idea. Sell the Yaris for $8,000, get a Mazda2 for $11,000? $3000 additional to get your daily driver back down to a mileage range where your maintenance costs are low?
Six weeks ago, you guys wanted me to buy a Honda Fit from my old job that I thought was dubious. I passed on it due to the fact that although it had fewer miles than my car, I didn't think it was a strong value proposition, and that particular Fit had a checkered past, and I was moving to a new city with a job that was an unknown quantity and I didn't know how much I'd be driving.
But because I think of buying a car slightly more expensive than said Honda Fit, it's a bad idea? It wouldn't be for quite a while anyways....like at least a year.
Jesus Christ....
Who said you should buy a Fit? Not me.
Quote from: MrH on January 20, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
I actually don't think it's too terrible of an idea. Sell the Yaris for $8,000, get a Mazda2 for $11,000? $3000 additional to get your daily driver back down to a mileage range where your maintenance costs are low?
Probably closer to 9 or 10, and the Yaris is probably worth more like 6K. There's a CPO Mazda 2 Touring, 44K, 5-speed with cruise and shit for just under 10K. There's also a CPO Sonic LT Turbo with Cruise and shit for like 10.5K.
Like I said, I will have to see what my finances look like when I start my new job and start working successfully. My new job pays around 15-20% more than my old one.
Yet again, not for a long while, and I'm still not really burning to get anything right this instant anyways.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 20, 2014, 03:02:18 PM
....and the Yaris is probably worth more like 6K.
You can get this and have $500 left over for gas and repairs!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-7-Series-740iA-4dr-Sd-New-Trade-super-clean-stunning-IA-sport-edition-Dinan-mapping-300plus-/221358083854?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3389f84f0e&item=221358083854&pt=US_Cars_Trucks (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-7-Series-740iA-4dr-Sd-New-Trade-super-clean-stunning-IA-sport-edition-Dinan-mapping-300plus-/221358083854?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3389f84f0e&item=221358083854&pt=US_Cars_Trucks)
J/K
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 20, 2014, 02:48:40 PM
This is CarSPIN. You will get the advice whether you want it or not. :praise:
I was going to say the same thing. It's a reflex.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 20, 2014, 10:23:28 AM
(Yes I realize I am really late to this conversation)
You aren't that unusual. I was in my mid-late 20's when I bought my Z3 as my only car. I only had summer tires my first winter with it, but I regretted it. It actually had an LSD, but it still had trouble going uphill even with a slight snowfall.
Right now, I have my brother's Audi S4 as a backup car, though, so that works out in my favor. We're supposed to get heavy snowfall today (started already) and we drove in my brother's car. Big advantage to the three of us working together and one of our best friends living near us and also working in the same spot. The four of us piled into the S4. Not a super comfortable ride, sitting behind a 6'1" tall guy, but not the worst.
Quote from: MrH on January 20, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
I actually don't think it's too terrible of an idea. Sell the Yaris for $8,000, get a Mazda2 for $11,000? $3000 additional to get your daily driver back down to a mileage range where your maintenance costs are low?
If the difference is that low, when comparing whatever repair costs that could come with a high mileage car (even just maintenance costs can go up, I'm sure), it may very well be worth it.
Quote from: Raza on January 21, 2014, 07:46:51 AM
If the difference is that low, when comparing whatever repair costs that could come with a high mileage car (even just maintenance costs can go up, I'm sure), it may very well be worth it.
That was my thought. Kind of sit in that no-maintenance zone in cheap cars for a bit, upgrade your ride at the same time. Doesn't seem like too bad of an idea :huh:
Kind of agree with these guys. Unpredictable expenses are what Kevin has to look out for..that's where the lack of a safety net would bite him in the ass.
Quote from: MrH on January 21, 2014, 07:47:55 AM
That was my thought. Kind of sit in that no-maintenance zone in cheap cars for a bit, upgrade your ride at the same time. Doesn't seem like too bad of an idea :huh:
Like I said, It depends. Might roll around in the Yaris for awhile.
Wheel speed sensor for Yaris is over $100 even on rock auto. :heated:
Quote from: 68_427 on February 19, 2014, 07:07:08 PM
Wheel speed sensor for Yaris is over $100 even on rock auto. :heated:
Try cleaning the dirt off, or snatch one at a junk yard.
OTOH wheel bearing is only $18 for my Outback
Quote from: 68_427 on February 19, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
OTOH wheel bearing is only $18 for my Outback
Just repack it with some Crisco.
One good pot hole will rip it right out XD. With my car in the air there's a good inch of movement in any direction.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 19, 2014, 07:07:08 PM
Wheel speed sensor for Yaris is over $100 even on rock auto. :heated:
Why do you need a wheel speed sensor?
Corrosion.
Try taking it off and spraying down the terminals with some battery corrosion clearing solution shit
My ABS did that last winter. Did that, let it dry, and it was good as new.