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Quote from: 93JC on January 09, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
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Quote from: thecarnut on January 09, 2013, 05:41:02 PM
LOL Miatas still outnumber you guys by a wide margin. :praise:

Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
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Quote from: thecarnut on January 09, 2013, 05:45:00 PM
Holy shit, nevermind. You guys have SVT, Cougs, Laconian, Morris Minor and afty (of the people who post here regularly).

Miata club has HRP, Chimp, Onslaught and MiataJohn. Apparently I don't count because I only drive an RX-8 convertible. :cry:

Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 09, 2013, 06:34:47 PM
1-Series, bitches! Giving the guys in the Miata and G a run for their money!  :orly:  :wtf:

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/303/2701/38256350022_large.jpg)

Quote from: afty on January 09, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
Man, my car was clean back then:

(http://i.imgur.com/guokV.jpg)

Quote from: afty on January 09, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
Man, my car was clean back then:

(http://i.imgur.com/guokV.jpg)

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 10, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
If you had a garage, your car would be clean.

Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 10, 2013, 12:04:27 AM
An old S-10 on the same block? You live amongst scum

Quote from: Laconian on January 09, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
I'm going to scrub the German taint from this thread. Not to be confused with German taints.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 09, 2013, 05:45:00 PM
Holy shit, nevermind. You guys have SVT, Cougs, Laconian, Morris Minor and afty (of the people who post here regularly).

Miata club has HRP, Chimp, Onslaught and MiataJohn. Apparently I don't count because I only drive an RX-8 convertible. :cry:

Quote from: thecarnut on January 09, 2013, 05:45:00 PM
Holy shit, nevermind. You guys have SVT, Cougs, Laconian, Morris Minor and afty (of the people who post here regularly).

Miata club has HRP, Chimp, Onslaught and MiataJohn. Apparently I don't count because I only drive an RX-8 convertible. :cry:

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 10, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
If you had a garage, your car would be clean.

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2013, 06:33:42 AM
You forgot mine- you sure John didn't sell his??

Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 10, 2013, 12:04:27 AM
An old S-10 on the same block? You live amongst scum

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 10, 2013, 12:03:05 AM

If you had a garage, your car would be clean.

Quote from: Lebowski on January 10, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
My C6 seems to get dirty remarkably quick despite being garaged ... I don't know if I just have an abnormally dusty garage or what.

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 10, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
If you had a garage, your car would be clean.

Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on January 10, 2013, 11:27:45 AM
Ahh whatever, cars look cool with a bunch of mud and grime on them too. Not so much between dirty and clean though.

Quote from: Lebowski on January 10, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
My C6 seems to get dirty remarkably quick despite being garaged ... I don't know if I just have an abnormally dusty garage or what.

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 10, 2013, 11:39:30 AM
Guys, I'm kidding. It was a reference to the storied carport vs. garage debate of 2012.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 10, 2013, 12:10:14 PM
RedirectedInterntrySPIN.

Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on January 10, 2013, 11:27:45 AM
Ahh whatever, cars look cool with a bunch of mud and grime on them too. Not so much between dirty and clean though.

Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
What is with you and this teeny, tiny bit of dirt on your car? Has your car never been driving in poor weather before?

Quote from: Lebowski on January 10, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
My C6 seems to get dirty remarkably quick despite being garaged ... I don't know if I just have an abnormally dusty garage or what.

Quote from: Laconian on January 10, 2013, 02:54:44 PM
I wouldn't get a hardtop if I lived in California. I'd have the top down all of the time.

Quote from: Lebowski on January 10, 2013, 11:04:44 AM
My C6 seems to get dirty remarkably quick despite being garaged ... I don't know if I just have an abnormally dusty garage or what.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
Meh, the looks and increased quietness and room with the hardtop is well worth it.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 03:02:05 PM
Because this is a G thread I figured I'd help get it back on topic:

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Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 01:30:54 PM
Dude I live in California. Don't take this away from me. :cry:

Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
My car gets entirely covered in dirt in a matter of seconds when snow melts. When I say entirely I really do mean the whole thing, roof included.


Hell, it gets dirty just parked on the street at night, even if the weather isn't shitty.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 01:11:20 PM
Like this:

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b68/thecarnut/DSC_0202.jpg)

?

:praise:

Quote from: SVT666 on January 10, 2013, 03:10:37 PM
That happens because the G is so fucking fast.

Quote from: giant_mtb on January 10, 2013, 03:17:22 PM
We're you spinning your wheels in reverse or something?

Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 03:18:18 PM
That white one is your car, isn't it? :evildude:

Quote from: Laconian on January 10, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
Shit, I thought that was just flame surfacing! :rage:

Quote from: SVT666 on January 10, 2013, 03:10:37 PM
That happens because the G is so fucking fast.

Quote from: SVT666 on January 10, 2013, 03:13:31 PM
Yup.  I know the feeling.  Washing my vehicles in the winter is an exercise in futility.

Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on January 10, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Nah, it's mostly because the demographic group that buys them can't drive.

Quote from: Secret Chimp on January 09, 2013, 07:11:38 PM
Dr.Dre+Snoop Dogg-Ain't Nothing But A G Thang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sC8jgrb29o#)

Quote from: MX793 on January 10, 2013, 03:05:54 PM
I don't know about your part of Florida, but after my dad moved down there one of the first things he commented on was how much longer it took for his vehicles to get dirty.  Apparently brake dust buildup isn't as prevalent either (not sure if it's just elderly drivers who aren't as aggressive on the brakes or if dust doesn't stick to wheels as well due to the climate).

Quote from: HotRodPilot on January 10, 2013, 03:08:33 PM
They make Camries for this sort of thing.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
It's all good, we'll have it fixed up right after we overnight some parts from Japan.

Quote from: Raza  on January 10, 2013, 07:32:44 PM
:lol:

I don't get people who buy a convertible in a warm climate to never put the top down.  I was driving with the top down at 31F the other day. 

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2013, 07:42:38 PM
about to rain and getting dark but I put it down tonight because it warmed up some. I get cold really easy and sometimes keep my jacket on (over uniform) in the offic- so must admit I keep it up a little more than I would like.. .

Quote from: Raza  on January 10, 2013, 08:49:59 PM
I mean, it's up on the highway in that kind of weather, but on surface streets, I'm fine.  The Boxster was better at keeping wind out (it had a deflector installed and the doors were up a little higher; with the windows up you got almost no wind in the cabin at all). 

I've noticed some people taking cell phone pics of me though.   :lol:

Quote from: SVT666 on January 10, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
That's because you're a brown guy in a nice car.

Quote from: Raza  on January 10, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
Nobody took pictures of me in my E class. 

Plus, lots of brown guys drive nice cars.  We're doctors and engineers and shit. 

Quote from: SVT666 on January 10, 2013, 11:29:49 AM
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Quote from: thecarnut on January 10, 2013, 08:55:45 PM
I've gotten a few stares. People probably think "WTF is that nerdy Indian guy doing in a Miata with stickers on it?!". :lol:

Quote from: Madman on January 10, 2013, 09:38:15 PM
Too bad this thread will soon have to be renamed "The Q Spot"!


:lol:

Quote from: 93JC on January 10, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
I wash mine when:

a) my car is so dirty that I feel like I can't come within 5 ft of it without getting dirt all over my clothes
b) it's warm enough such that the doors won't freeze
c) most of the snow on the roads has already melted, otherwise it'll just get dirty again within the drive home

Fulfilling a) takes less than a day, b) comes along every couple weeks or so, but c) takes about a continuous week of warm temperatures. It will often be warm for a few days, long enough to get snow melting, but not long enough to melt most of it. As such I only have a handful of opportunities to wash the car all winter. Last winter I washed the car maybe once or twice. This year I've washed it a couple times (last time was Saturday), that's it. Otherwise it's usually caked in dust, dirt, grime, salt, etc.

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 11, 2013, 06:28:46 AM
One of the best looking vehicles to ever come out of Japan. The design still looks fresh. Easily better than the G37 coupe.

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 11, 2013, 06:28:46 AM
One of the best looking vehicles to ever come out of Japan. The design still looks fresh. Easily better than the G37 coupe.

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 11, 2013, 06:28:46 AM
One of the best looking vehicles to ever come out of Japan. The design still looks fresh. Easily better than the G37 coupe.

Quote from: SVT666 on January 11, 2013, 01:24:58 PM
You're right.  That one on the right is a great car.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 11, 2013, 01:34:47 PM
There is rumored to be a GTR-esque Q50 coming down the pike with a ~400-425 hp TT V6. THAT will be a game changer for the segment.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 11, 2013, 01:34:47 PM
There is rumored to be a GTR-esque Q50 coming down the pike with a ~400-425 hp TT V6. THAT will be a game changer for the segment.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 11, 2013, 01:34:47 PM
There is rumored to be a GTR-esque Q50 coming down the pike with a ~400-425 hp TT V6. THAT will be a game changer for the segment.

Quote from: Raza  on January 11, 2013, 07:17:33 AM
I agree.  It's aged well, too.  Amazing how much better looking it is than its stodgy sedan counterpart.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 11, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
A Q50 w/425 hp, DSG, and most importantly, Nissan's ATTESA-ETS AWD system, would be monster. It'd crush an S4 (and judging by the B8 RS5, it'd put a huge hurt on a B8 RS4 too) or IS-F and be at least one level above the M3 and C63. It'd also probably cost a whole lot less than the $70-80k+ those latter three Germans marques command.

Quote from: Raza  on January 11, 2013, 02:53:44 PM
That's a lot of overconfident speculation based on cars that are near the end of their life cycle there, Joe.  Don't place your bets yet.  Nissan's been bunting a lot of foul balls lately. 

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 11, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Yeah, the sedan was funny looking. I prefer the 2nd gen sedan to the 2nd gen coupe, while I vastly prefer the 1st gen coupe to the 1st gen sedan.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 11, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
If they choose to do it I'm not sure how they could botch it really. The GTR performance bits are well developed and the Q50 will (presumably) already be engineered for the milder variants of the VQ and ATTESA-ETS. To your point about the competition, at the $99k price point the GTR is well more than a match for the all-new 911 Carerra S.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 11, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
If they choose to do it I'm not sure how they could botch it really. The GTR performance bits are well developed and the Q50 will (presumably) already be engineered for the milder variants of the VQ and ATTESA-ETS. To your point about the competition, at the $99k price point the GTR is well more than a match for the all-new 911 Carerra S.

Quote from: 68_427 on January 12, 2013, 05:37:29 PM
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Quote from: Raza  on January 12, 2013, 11:24:01 AM
The GT-R is not now nor has it ever been a compact family sedan.  It's not applicable to the G, the Maxima, the Rogue, the Murano, or any other model Nissan makes.  If they choose to be best in class they can do it?  Why haven't they chosen to be best so far?  It's a great value, but it's not the best in class.  Your Nissan fanboy is showing. 

Quote from: MX793 on January 12, 2013, 12:25:33 PM
The GT-R's version of ATTESA is mechanically a very different animal from that currently used in the other FM cars (G and M).  The transmission is rear mounted with dual driveshafts running the length of the car.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 13, 2013, 11:55:56 AM
I'm starting to like it more.

Quote from: CALL_911 on January 13, 2013, 12:10:10 PM
The entire enthusiast community will follow suit. I feel like it's too common where you have a shitload of enthusiasts crying as though this is the antichrist, only to like it a year or so down the road.

Quote from: thecarnut on January 13, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
I gotta say, I like it more than the current G.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 12, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Sure, it's applicable for the reasons I stated.

Nissan just hasn't been into the AMG/M/RS thing; pretty sure there little or no money in it but that's just a guess. The GT-R'd variant of the Q50 is still rumor AFAIK.

Not a Nissan fanboy by any means, but it is notable that the Germans could never build a GT-R.

Quote from: SVT666 on January 23, 2013, 04:47:41 PM
I got the TSB for the transmission done today.  It's a reprogramming of the ECU and TCU.  It's like driving a different car now.  In "normal" mode the transmission behaves just like that of the BMW I drove last summer.  Much much better, smoother, and almost imperceptible.  In "Sport" the shifts are fast and hard still which is good, and I found that the paddle shifters react a little quicker now. 

Best. TSB. Ever.

Quote from: GoCougs on January 13, 2013, 12:48:27 PM
Not only was the G37 generally much more daring in its styling; curvy and flowy and otherwise anything but Asianonymous, didn't steal from the Germans, and didn't try anything too daring/goofy like Acuras BANG-POW-ANGLES-CREASES-SLABS styling. The Q50 surely is an objectively better car but styling is still falling flat. Again, perhaps real-world photos, knowledge of design details not yet shown, and other colors/wheels/trim levels will change that but I'm having a tough time imagining it.

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 22, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
Cannot believe I did not pick this up on my test drive, but mine needs this fix too; noticed the flaring & tendency to jerkiness when I drove it into work yesterday.

Quote from: 2o6 on March 22, 2013, 09:01:50 AM
I like the way the G looks, but I wouldn't call it daring at all.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 22, 2013, 09:13:35 AM
Compared to the class in when the current gen debuted in '07 it definitely was.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 22, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
The biggest things I noticed:

1.) Rev matching wasn't very good.
2.) When piddling along or coasting as in traffic at like 20 mph, hitting the gas to accelerate the car would ker-thunk.

ITB12-027 is the fix.

Quote from: Char on March 22, 2013, 10:17:12 AM
The front end looks like it belongs on a truck.

Quote from: MrH on March 23, 2013, 11:26:04 AM
What year is your new g?

Quote from: Laconian on March 22, 2013, 12:52:20 PM
Wow, I went up a few sizes.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ah0LleQn-XU/UUyoLyxl8dI/AAAAAAAAFU4/JbSB_7NFSK4/s1084/photo.jpg)

Belch!

Quote from: GoCougs on March 23, 2013, 04:06:54 PM
Yup, the stock 17" Eagle GSAs on my G were done by 30,000 miles. They weren't particularly grippy either.

The 2010 got a lot of upgrades - it's pretty much the same as MY2013 so IMO you didn't miss out on anything (or at features or functions vs. buying a new G).

Quote from: SVT666 on March 23, 2013, 04:48:09 PM
You keep saying that, but I have yet to find any differences between the 2009 and 2010.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 23, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
2010 has vs. 2009 (I've omitted changes for change sake - different colors, etc.)

    New grille design with separate fog lights
    New available Advanced Climate Control System (ACCS) – automatically shuts outside air vents when exhaust fumes are detected
    Standard 8-way power-adjustable passenger seat and one-touch auto up/down rear windows on Base model
    New available next generation Infiniti Hard Drive Navigation System with all-new features...
    New available USB input plays music from a compatible iPod®, flash drive or other compatible mass storage device
    HomeLink® Universal Transceiver, Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System and automatic anti-glare rearview mirror added to the Journey model
    Heated seats and heated outside mirrors added to the Journey model
    RearView Monitor now standard on the Journey model
    New Bluetooth® Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) included in Navigation Package – allow users to stream two-channel audio from a compatible device to the vehicle audio system
    DVD-Video playback included in Navigation Package
    2GB Music Box Flash Memory Music Server added to the Premium Package

The additional kicker is 2010+ looks the same 2013 (same front fascia, same wheel options, etc.).

Quote from: GoCougs on March 23, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
    2GB Music Box Flash Memory Music Server added to the Premium Package

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 23, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
That's how I know the previous driver/lessee is female.

Quote from: MrH on March 24, 2013, 10:36:19 AM
:lol: what are you jamming out to in the g?

Quote from: Laconian on March 24, 2013, 12:36:02 PM
I use A2DP for my podcasts.

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 24, 2013, 12:46:52 PM
I don't think that works in my G; it doesn't have the Navi plus goodies, so my bluetoothery is restricted to phone & phonebook stuff.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 24, 2013, 01:54:15 PM
In and amongst the upgrades for MY2010 the AUX connector was eliminated. To get AUX functionality you'll have to go to a FM freq adapter.

Quote from: thecarnut on March 24, 2013, 01:59:30 PM
What the fuck. Why would they do that?

Quote from: Laconian on March 24, 2013, 02:24:59 PM
Bluetooth advancements are worth nothing if the car doesn't actually incorporate them.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 24, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
The point being (IMO) advancements in Bluetooth ultimately led to the AUX input getting axed from the G.

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 24, 2013, 03:51:37 PM
Deleting the AUX jack without providing A2DP as a replacement represents a loss of functionality over earlier models.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 24, 2013, 07:38:39 PM
With an AUX input you're stuck with a POS analog interface and only able to use your phone to play music. With the USB input on MY2010+ just just dump your mp3s onto a thumb drive and use the G37 media interface (include steering wheel controls) to shuffle/repeat/select/etc. - safer, more convenient and better sounding. Also axed along with the AUX input were RCA inputs. That's a lot more wiring than a single USB port. Totally see why Infiniti axed the AUX and RCA and don't see a regression - they're just rolling with the times IMO in portable media technology.

Quote from: thecarnut on March 24, 2013, 07:49:45 PM
I use my iPod in the car. I don't want to have to put music on a USB drive and then plug that into the car when I already have an iPod full of music.

Quote from: hotrodalex on March 24, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
Should be able to hook it up with a usb cable. (If you can't, it's a garbage system)

Quote from: hotrodalex on March 24, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
Should be able to hook it up with a usb cable. (If you can't, it's a garbage system)

Quote from: afty on March 24, 2013, 11:11:30 PM
My '08 G has the CompactFlash port and the RCA/AUX inputs.  One interesting wrinkle is that the RCA inputs include video -- you can actually watch videos on the nav screen while parked.  The iPod input is a proprietary port that requires a $15 cable and won't charge my iPhone (too new). Realistically, I would get more use out of Bluetooth streaming and a plain USB port than the RCA inputs.

I posted a few pages back about my mileage.  For 2012 I averaged 18.7 mpg with a best tank of 21.9 and worst of 16.0.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 24, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
What are you guys getting for mpg? With my all-seasons on and ski rack off I'm up to ~20 mpg (from ~17 mpg).  Mind you I upgraded to the stock 18" set which came with the stock Dunlop hi-po all seasons. Before the winter with the stock 17" set I was at ~21 mpg.

As an aside the ride and road noise has taken a dive with the stock 18" setup. I also have noticeably more interior rattles. Yeesh. Perusing the various G forums seems like everyone hates the stock Dunlops and there are a lot of complaints about rattles. I bought the 18" wheels/tires off a brand new car so as they wear things will only get worse.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 25, 2013, 12:51:08 AM
ALL cars have rattles. 3ers have a bunch of road noise too.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 25, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
All loaner Gs I've had (at least 3 - both G25x and G37x sedans) have had the same interior issues - center console squeaking, overhead sun glass door rattle, rattling inside the sunroof, and clicking at base of windshield on driver side. The dealer service adviser said Infiniti has already defined fixes for these. I've had all applied at various visits and it's gotten better but it's still there. Meh, at least it's better than the Accord plus Nissans have always had a reputation for rattlely interiors (though not as bad as Hondas).

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 25, 2013, 06:17:50 AM
Even after ECM/TCM fix, gearshifts are still lumpy/herky-jerky until the car is warmed up. Once at working temperature everything is great.

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 25, 2013, 06:17:50 AM
Even after ECM/TCM fix, gearshifts are still lumpy/herky-jerky until the car is warmed up. Once at working temperature everything is great.

Quote from: Raza  on March 25, 2013, 09:16:25 AM
Yeah, automatics are really shitty.  Have you considered buying a car with a do-it-yourself type transmission?  I can't remember exactly what they're called.

Quote from: CALL_911 on March 26, 2013, 01:29:53 AM
What made you get an I30 over a Maxima (or any of its competitors)?

Quote from: GoCougs on March 24, 2013, 07:38:39 PM
With an AUX input you're stuck with a POS analog interface and only able to use your phone to play music.

Quote from: TurboDan on March 27, 2013, 10:53:08 PM
Huh? LR2 has an AUX input + BT for phone calls. iOS knows to automatically switch from the headphone jack to the BT connection when a phone call comes in.

Also, my mom's car has A2DP and I'm not a big fan of the sound quality. AUX is better IMO. It's not as if any of the MP3/AAC files on our phones are 5.1 surround or anything. What's wrong with the analog connection? In video signals, I tend to prefer component to HDMI, for example.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 27, 2013, 10:54:06 PM
So what does Raza's jealousy make him say about Infiniti owners?

FWIW, last time I was there (Kirkland) they had a white FX50 in the showroom. I liked it and the idea of it (mega throaty V8) but at ~$70k???

Quote from: GoCougs on March 27, 2013, 11:05:34 PM
I'm not a fan of A2DP because you can't use the car's multimedia controls (or at least that I've seen).

Quote from: CALL_911 on March 27, 2013, 11:16:39 PM
Yeah, but using the car's multimedia controls sucks dick.

Quote from: Laconian on March 27, 2013, 11:21:17 PM
Raza likened Infiniti owners to the Jersey Shore cast. The couple guys sitting next to me in the service area were greasy, massively slouched, and one of them wore sunglasses indoors. Made me think of Raza's comment.

Quote from: TurboDan on March 27, 2013, 11:23:36 PM
By multimedia controls, do you mean the touch screen and streeing wheel controls? In my mom's car, the A2DP interface hooks up with both of these.

Quote from: TurboDan on March 27, 2013, 11:23:36 PM
By multimedia controls, do you mean the touch screen and streeing wheel controls? In my mom's car, the A2DP interface hooks up with both of these.

Quote from: Laconian on March 27, 2013, 11:21:17 PM
Yeah, I sincerely doubt they're moving many at that crazy price.

Raza likened Infiniti owners to the Jersey Shore cast. The couple guys sitting next to me in the service area were greasy, massively slouched, and one of them wore sunglasses indoors. Made me think of Raza's comment.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 27, 2013, 11:25:25 PM
I disagree - mucking with the phone is a PITA and not all that safe. At least with the G I can use the steering wheel controls to do the basics - select playlists and songs...

Quote from: GoCougs on March 27, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
I've never seen the meat head/guido image. The worst I've seen is some riced first-gen couples here and there...

Quote from: CALL_911 on March 27, 2013, 11:36:01 PM
Ohhhh yeah, the Altima/Maxima/G trifecta are big with the guido/meathead crowd.

Quote from: Laconian on March 27, 2013, 11:39:57 PM
The quality of Nissan products is so obvious that even a guido can recognize it.

Quote from: Laconian on March 28, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
...so? Do guidos need really bright headlights to compensate for those oversized Dolce & Gabbana sunglasses they wear?

I"m not sure if I've ever met a guido IRL. :mask:

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 25, 2013, 08:37:35 PM
This is my third Infiniti.
2000 I30 (Maxima in drag - but we loved it: reliable, & first semi well-appointed car we owned)
2007 G35 Coupe 6MT
2010 G37

Guess I'm a loyal customer

Quote from: Laconian on March 27, 2013, 06:45:10 PM
In the Infiniti waiting room waiting for my reflash to finish.

(looks around at other waiting people)

I think Raza's generalization might be accurate.

Quote from: Madman on March 26, 2013, 08:19:27 AM

That's a question I've always wanted to ask of anyone who ever bought an I30/I35 new.  I mean really, why would anyone?

I'll just have some popcorn whilst I wait for an answer.  :popcorn:

Quote from: Morris Minor on March 28, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
It was 13 years ago. I can't remember even what else was in the running when we were looking.  I do remember that when my wife saw the interior she was sold. That was it - deal done.

We kept it 10 years and the only thing that ever went wrong was a rheostat in the climate control. I remember loving the engine; it was sweet as a nut, 227HP, barely enough to merge onto one of Wimmer's autobahns.  Three years later we bought a Honda Pilot to replace the family minivan. Pilot was the last new car I ever bought.

Quote from: Laconian on March 29, 2013, 10:59:28 AM
Wow, post-reflash the car is BRUTAL. It feels like it's always in the right gear now.

Quote from: thecarnut on March 29, 2013, 11:38:24 AM
Should've gotten a manual. Car would've always been in the right gear without a computer reflash. :devil:

Quote from: GoCougs on March 30, 2013, 10:46:38 PM
I'm still not overly impressed with the power. It's faster than the Accord sure but it's not hugely faster. IMO the G37 A/T needs ~10% shorter gearing in gears 1-3 and a gear between the current 3rd and 4th gear.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 30, 2013, 10:30:11 PM
G37 'vert not available in manual (and by many accounts the AT is actually a bit faster).

Quote from: SVT666 on March 30, 2013, 10:54:35 PM
There has to be something wrong with your car.  1st and 2nd are very short already, so how much shorter could they possibly get?

Quote from: GoCougs on March 30, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
There can be nothing wrong with a modern car without throwing codes (yes, there are fault codes for the AT) and my car has no fault codes. It's okay but I think it should be faster given the stats. Such as it is those of us with the 'vert or AWD G37s will have a hard time pulling on a new $28k Camry or Accord V6.

Any gear by definition can be shorter. The 3.7VQ is a 7,500 rpm motor. The 328i, with a 7,000 rpm motor and a flatter torque curve, has shorter gearing across the board (which IMO the G37 AT could benefit from). Top speed in gear +/- 2-3 mph (based on YouTube vids):

328i 8sp AT:
1st: 25
2nd: 50
3rd: 80
4th: 100

G37 7sp AT:
1st: 30
2nd: 55
3rd: 85
4th: 125

Quote from: SVT666 on March 31, 2013, 09:20:16 AM
First gear is short enough for me.  I really wouldn't want it to be shorter and have it be even jumpier in 1st.

You know, I think I know what your problem is. Once the car is rolling with light throttle it shifts into 2nd and if you floor it after it shifts into 2nd it won't drop back into 1st,so acceleration doesn't feel as brisk as you expect.  Standing starts are always quicker just because of that.  The only way you can get it to shift back into 1st is by taking manual control of the shifting...but I know that contradicts everything you believe in with regards to manually shifting an auto.

Quote from: SVT666 on March 31, 2013, 09:20:16 AM
First gear is short enough for me.  I really wouldn't want it to be shorter and have it be even jumpier in 1st.

You know, I think I know what your problem is. Once the car is rolling with light throttle it shifts into 2nd and if you floor it after it shifts into 2nd it won't drop back into 1st,so acceleration doesn't feel as brisk as you expect.  Standing starts are always quicker just because of that.  The only way you can get it to shift back into 1st is by taking manual control of the shifting...but I know that contradicts everything you believe in with regards to manually shifting an auto.

Quote from: Laconian on March 31, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Put it into first, then bang it back to D while you're going through the gears.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 31, 2013, 11:10:27 AM
Yep, that's it - I have no idea what gear the car is in, nor do I have no idea how an AT works.

Quote from: thecarnut on March 31, 2013, 12:39:57 PM
God damn, shifting your automatics sounds more complicated than a manual.

Quote from: thecarnut on March 31, 2013, 12:39:57 PM
God damn, shifting your automatics sounds more complicated than a manual.

Quote from: thecarnut on March 31, 2013, 12:39:57 PM
God damn, shifting your automatics sounds more complicated than a manual.

Quote from: GoCougs on March 31, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
Absolutely it is, if you want maximum performance and control. The G37 AT is good but it's not perfect (IMO no slushie will ever be; ergo, DSG-type trannies).

Quote from: SVT666 on March 31, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
I manually shift about 80% of the time I drive.  I just like to have control.

Quote from: SVT666 on March 31, 2013, 12:12:22 PM
The car won't kick down to first.  It just doesn't.

Quote from: MX793 on March 31, 2013, 02:47:20 PM
A DSG won't be perfect either.  It's still controlled by shift logic programming, and that is part of the problem with automatics.  Further, a DSG/SMG cannot skip gears as an automatic can.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 02, 2013, 08:53:45 AM
Winter gas must be gone as now I've gone from 19.5 - 20 mpg to 21.5 - 22 mpg with this last tank...

Quote from: SVT666 on April 02, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
Not using Defrost anymore makes a big difference as well.

Quote from: Laconian on April 02, 2013, 04:25:08 PM
Defrost uses a lot of gas?

Quote from: Laconian on April 02, 2013, 04:25:08 PM
Defrost uses a lot of gas?

Quote from: thecarnut on April 02, 2013, 08:13:06 PM
I didn't think using defrost took that much gas... I use it for about 10 minutes and then I turn it back off. The switching from winter to regular gas makes more sense.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 02, 2013, 09:42:38 PM
It doesn't - a modern automotive AC compressor draws relatively little power - imagine the power suck represented by a 10% drop in mpg ;). Ain't happening...

Quote from: Laconian on March 31, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
If you're a control freak.

It's a really good transmission if you just let it do its thing.

I had some great redline runs yesterday and the traction control was blinking SLIP SLIP SLIP SLIP the whole time. Could've fooled me, I didn't perceive any bad behavior whatsoever. Point, shoot, go. I wonder how coddled I am by these nannies.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 06, 2013, 02:29:06 PM
Drove wifey's MB this morning. Just went out with her to get lunch then return. Its amazing 7-speed auto gets a A+ to the Infiniti's B+.

Quote from: Laconian on April 06, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
What does it do well? I've never driven an MB myself.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 08, 2013, 08:15:02 AM
Its presence in normal driving is almost undetectable; upshifts and downshifts are super-smooth & precisely matched to what you need. The Infiniti, while much improved by the reprogram, is still herky-jerky IMO, at least until the transmission is fully warm, at which point it smooths out. This suggests to me that there is more to do with mappings based on input from the TCM's fluid temperature sensor. Or maybe my sensor is messed-up.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 08, 2013, 08:15:02 AM
Its presence in normal driving is almost undetectable; upshifts and downshifts are super-smooth & precisely matched to what you need. The Infiniti, while much improved by the reprogram, is still herky-jerky IMO, at least until the transmission is fully warm, at which point it smooths out. This suggests to me that there is more to do with mappings based on input from the TCM's fluid temperature sensor. Or maybe my sensor is messed-up.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 08, 2013, 01:10:15 PM
Might want to have that checked. Between my car and a number of sedan loaners (G37, G37x, G25, G25x) I've never experienced any sort of cold start tranny smoothness issues. The most I've noticed is that the G25 is a bit smoother in rev matching manual downshifts.

Quote from: SVT666 on April 08, 2013, 02:00:23 PM
Me neither.  There is no difference in transmission performance whether it's cold or warm.

Quote from: thecarnut on April 08, 2013, 03:00:38 PM
Lucky. My transmission feels like a bag of dicks when cold. I'm hoping a fluid change will help.

Quote from: Laconian on April 08, 2013, 05:18:29 PM
Your G37x must be pretty lazy, because the G25x I drove was a total snooze in every way. I fell in love with my car all over again when I went back to it.

Is your loaner a G25 or a G25x? Maybe it's the "x" that's cramping your 37's steez?

Quote from: thecarnut on April 08, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
Don't you guys live close to each other? Try each others cars out!

Quote from: GoCougs on April 08, 2013, 09:15:38 PM
The loaner is a G25. I had to bring it home so I've had a lot of seat time. It'd definitely more aggressive throttle mapping and more aggressive AT programming (to downshift). It's been a while since I had a G25x loaner but don't remember noticing a difference vs. the G37x. I also noticed this with the Accord V6 vs. the Civic loaners I had - virtually any movement of the throttle at cruise speed and the Civic AT would immediately (and smoothly) downshift. It too had much more aggressive throttle mapping. Made for a much more responsive drive around town.

Quote from: thecarnut on April 08, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Maybe it's one of those transmissions that learns and adapts to your driving style, and the rentals get constantly beat on and abused so it's more aggressive. :lol:

Quote from: GoCougs on April 09, 2013, 09:45:46 AM
So my previous service adviser is now gone from the dealer. His replacement is a typical douchenozzle dealer lackey. He said I needed a PS fluid change and fuel injector cleaning, and in response to my concern that my brakes felt soft he said the G25 loaner weighed 1,000 lbs less. Jesus.

Quote from: afty on April 09, 2013, 10:37:34 AM
My brakes feel soft too.  The last G37 loaner I had had really grabby/responsive brakes.  Will probably get my brake fluid changed at the next service appointment.

I've found the service department at my Infiniti dealer to be awful.  Always trying to upsell you, very high costs for normal stuff ($75 for a non-synthetic oil change!), etc.  I've started taking it to the Nissan dealer for basic services, and they're way, way better.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 09, 2013, 10:46:55 AM
The last visit I had brake fluid change and new rear brakes - no change.

Quote from: SVT666 on April 09, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
What about your front brakes? 

Quote from: SVT666 on April 04, 2013, 07:17:00 AM
I think AC compressor technology has come a long way, but I think it affects smaller engines that make less power more than big engines making big power.  If an AC compressor needs 5 hp to run, then that's a bigger loss to a 120 hp engine than it is to a 300 hp engine.  My SVT Focus had a noticeable loss of power when I used AC, but it pretty much makes no difference at all to my G37.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 08, 2013, 10:37:53 PM
Lots and lots and lots of Internetism regarding G37 AT issues like I describe (general lack of response). I don't call my car a problem per se just that it is noticeably muted in its response. It's why I drive in manual mode at least 50% of the time.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 11, 2013, 06:22:23 PM
I do find mine is better behaved in "S" mode.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 11, 2013, 07:47:33 PM
I don't have a "S" mode. I only have "D" and "DS." DS is drive sport, which does things like holds gears longer, shifts are harder, etc. I find it almost worthless as it is not consistent - sometimes it will rev match on downshifts and sometimes not. Sometimes it will hold a gear at higher RPM sometimes not. I gave it a go but never use it now.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 18, 2013, 11:54:54 PM
Hmmm, so not counting the numerous squeaks and rattles (that I myself fixed and the dealer couldn't), other issues have surfaced. Luckily I'm still well within the warranty period but still...

1.) Right rear door lock went fubar and had to be replaced at the last visit.
2.) Compass on rear view mirror is not working (stuck on "S" today).
3.) Right rear window lost "auto up" functionality.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 19, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
I fixed the windshield popping/creaking noise per this thread on MyG37 (http://www.myg37.com/forums/d-i-y-installations-modifications/231654-fix-windshield-cowl-popping-noises.html). It's a bit of PITA and if/when the windshield needs to be replaced it'll have to be done again. Poor design by Infiniti, and not only because this fix-it post is a sticky on the most popular G forum around ;).

Quote from: SVT666 on April 19, 2013, 12:02:11 AM
A few days after we bought our car only one window had "auto up"  working and that was the rear left.   Two weeks later the rest started working again and there hasn't been an issue since.  It's the weirdest thing.

Quote from: afty on April 20, 2013, 02:50:01 PM
There's a reset procedure you can do if auto up stops working:
http://www.myg37.com/forums/g37-coupe/234324-windows-will-not-automatically-roll-up.html (http://www.myg37.com/forums/g37-coupe/234324-windows-will-not-automatically-roll-up.html)

Quote from: afty on April 20, 2013, 02:50:01 PM
There's a reset procedure you can do if auto up stops working:
http://www.myg37.com/forums/g37-coupe/234324-windows-will-not-automatically-roll-up.html (http://www.myg37.com/forums/g37-coupe/234324-windows-will-not-automatically-roll-up.html)

Quote from: CALL_911 on April 22, 2013, 10:18:13 PM
Wow, well done. Guess that's a benefit of unemployment. :lol:

Quote from: GoCougs on April 22, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
Perfect - that worked! Thanks.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 22, 2013, 10:10:45 PM
Summation of the noise jihad I've been on - it's now complete as far as I can tell. I sorta forgot the new wheels - 18" and hard-as-rocks Dunlops no doubt contributed to problems:

1.) Windshield cowl pop/creak - added rubber tape to cowl per above link
2.) Shifter plate squeak - lubed snap connectors with Li grease
3.) A-pillar speaker rattle - simply removed/installed many times (loosened up push connectors)
4.) Glove box rattle - added foam tape to the door such that it preloads against the latch
5.) Overhead sun glass holder - same as glove box fix plus added foam tape to cover up plastic inside (sun glasses would rattle against it)
6.) Cup holder door squeak - lubed with Li grease
7.) Headliner creaking (turns out it's held in with Velcro, which will age) - simply decoupled a portion of the headliner and inserted paper towels between Velcro joints (made it better but still there a bit as I have to leave some Velcro intact).
8.) License plate and frame - secured with outdoor double-sided tape.
9.) Misc. rattle from center console - turns out there is a loosely installed wedge thingy in the rear of the cup holder compartment - not sure what it does but it's now gone.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 23, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
Forgot one:

10.) Rattling cover plates behind interior door handles - removed and used double sided tape to resecure (had to do this to the Accord too).

Quote from: SVT666 on April 23, 2013, 07:59:40 PM
It is.

Quote from: thecarnut on April 23, 2013, 08:13:35 PM
I still can't believe you dropped over $600 on a muffler, dude...

Quote from: GoCougs on April 23, 2013, 08:33:45 PM
Well, it's two mufflers plus connecting pipe and welded-on hangers ;). It was pricey but all the Internet searches said Tanabe had the best quality, the easiest install (i.e., 100% drop-in replacement for stock) and just so happened to have the exactly sound I was looking for. I'm sure half the cost was in the highly polished stainless steel construction, which if given a choice I'd have gone without.

Quote from: SVT666 on April 23, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
You were pretty quick to accept $150 for them.  What aren't you telling me?

Quote from: GoCougs on April 23, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
UPS says ~$65 for both boxes to that US zip.

Quote
The for the Canadian shipping I used Prince George - was that right?

Quote from: SVT666 on April 23, 2013, 08:47:19 PM
$65 total?

PG?  Ha!  That's like 9 hours north of here, but the shipping won't be much different.  When it crosses the border there are brokerage fees and now you're paying two different courier companies since UPS Canada is a different company.  And in my case UPS doesn't deliver to my town so another courier gets involved. 

Quote from: thecarnut on April 24, 2013, 10:52:14 AM
Lac, buy the exhaust! You're so close to cougs so it won't cost you anything for shipping!

Quote from: Laconian on April 24, 2013, 11:09:20 AM
He said "guys with sedans". I don't know if it'd work with a coupe/vert? I am pretty sure that the coupe's exhaust system is different than the sedan's.

Quote from: SVT666 on April 24, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
My wife kiboshed it.  Sorry man.  She drives it 60% of the time and she doesn't want the car any louder.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 24, 2013, 11:22:02 AM
The coupe's exhaust is 100% different actually. Stock it uses a single transverse muffler where as the sedan uses two separate longitudinal mufflers.

Coupe:

(http://www.thenismoshop.com/assets/images/t_20106.jpg)

Sedan:

(http://www.jmautoracing.com/images/T70130A-2.jpg)

Quote from: MrH on April 24, 2013, 12:12:56 PM
G forum.  That'll sell quick for 3 times what you were offering Craig.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 24, 2013, 12:38:05 PM
I've thought about. Problem is, as with most any model-specific forum it seems, many members seem kinda sketch. I'd rather take my chances with eBay or CL.

Quote from: MrH on April 24, 2013, 02:15:53 PM
They send you money over PayPal.  Not sure how receiving money could be sketchy :huh:

Quote from: GoCougs on April 24, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
When dealing with money and people you don't know things can always be sketchy, particularly of the "You didn't tell me x about it" or "I changed my mind" or "I didn't get my stuff/it got damaged" variety.

Quote from: GoCougs on April 27, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
Woohoo. After a number of days of no response to my CL adds I've got buyers on the way for both the wheels/tires ($250 which is frigging bargain) and the exhaust ($425).

Quote from: thecarnut on April 27, 2013, 04:10:37 PM
LOL and you were going to sell your exhaust for $150.

Quote from: Laconian on April 27, 2013, 04:13:08 PM
I wouldve bought your wheels for two giddy.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 31, 2013, 06:50:16 AM
Question to G'ers.

If you come to a stop, put the shift in 'Park,' and switch off the ignition, does your car lurch forward against the transmission's park pawl?

Quote from: thecarnut on May 31, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
Whenever I drive an autotragic, I always pull the parking brake before I let go of the foot brake after putting the transmission in Park.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 31, 2013, 06:50:16 AM
Question to G'ers.

If you come to a stop, put the shift in 'Park,' and switch off the ignition, does your car lurch forward against the transmission's park pawl?

Quote from: hotrodalex on May 31, 2013, 11:59:25 AM
I always use the E-brake to keep pressure off the transmission.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 31, 2013, 10:04:02 AM
Precaution against gravity rolling the car? Or because of residual motive pressure in the transmission? Or both?

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 03, 2013, 12:47:36 AM
I've had people tell me to do that: but i've yet to even hear of a direct account of somebody breaking or wearing out their parking pawl- I couldn't even do it when I tried on the Toronado by throwing it into park at 30 MPH.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 03, 2013, 12:47:36 AM
I've had people tell me to do that: but i've yet to even hear of a direct account of somebody breaking or wearing out their parking pawl- I couldn't even do it when I tried on the Toronado by throwing it into park at 30 MPH.

Quote from: hotrodalex on June 03, 2013, 10:42:30 AM
I've heard stories of cars rolling while in park. Can't remember if it was my parents' own car or one of their friend's.

Of course that would have been in the 80's, so the transmission probably just sucked.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 31, 2013, 06:50:16 AM
Question to G'ers.

If you come to a stop, put the shift in 'Park,' and switch off the ignition, does your car lurch forward against the transmission's park pawl?

Quote from: Morris Minor on June 04, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
I drive into the garage, brake to a stop. put it in Park. switch off engine, release brake pedal. Car lurches forward against the pawl.

Quote from: Morris Minor on June 04, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
I drive into the garage, brake to a stop. put it in Park. switch off engine, release brake pedal. Car lurches forward against the pawl.

Quote from: Morris Minor on June 04, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
I drive into the garage, brake to a stop. put it in Park. switch off engine, release brake pedal. Car lurches forward against the pawl.

Quote from: Raza  on June 04, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
Is this the first automatic car you've owned?  I've experienced this in every automatic I've ever driven.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 04, 2013, 11:49:32 AM
No.  You have experienced a slight roll forward or backward when the car isn't on a level surface.  What he is describing is a lurch forward on a level surface.  That's not normal.  No automatic I have ever driven has ever done that including my G37.

Quote from: thecarnut on June 04, 2013, 11:01:59 AM
Use hand brake before releasing foot brake to prevent lurching and transmission wear.

Quote from: thecarnut on June 04, 2013, 11:52:06 AM
The problem here is that you guys own automatics.

Quote from: CJ on June 04, 2013, 03:15:13 PM

The problem here is that you're being a typical manual-loving douche.


OMFGMANUALSOGOODAUTOTRAGICFTLOMGWTF

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 04, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
Weird that you guys hold the brake until you pull the handbrake. I find sometimes that that puts weird tension on the drivetrain. I put the car in park, let go of the foot brake, THEN do the handbrake. Otherwise sometimes you get a weird thing where when you release the handbrake the car sinks.

Quote from: thecarnut on June 04, 2013, 11:52:06 AM
The problem here is that you guys own automatics.

Quote from: J86 on June 04, 2013, 07:38:11 PM
You guys set the ebrake in an automatic?

Quote from: Raza  on June 04, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
They all do this.  You can see it in cars on TV and in movies.  They all move.  No surface is ever completely level.  On a completely level surface and in a car with exactly 50/50 weight distribution with the driver in it, you may not experience this.  You put your car in neutral, release the brake to make sure that you're level, and then put it in park, you may not experience this.  Go from drive or reverse to park in a car that doesn't automatically engage a handbrake, it does this.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 05, 2013, 12:00:40 AM
Slight roll /= lurch 

You are confusing the two.  Never in my life have I had an automatic lurch after putting it in Park.  Roll?  Yes.  Lurch?  No.

Quote from: giant_mtb on June 05, 2013, 08:01:19 AM
Yeah. Pretty sure by lurch he means something that feels more along the lines of the lurch you get when you stall a stickshift...but probably fairly less severe. Not rolling. Lurching. There's no need for a dictionary if you know how to comprehend.

Quote from: Raza  on June 05, 2013, 08:10:57 AM
And I'm saying all automatics do this, some more violently than others depending on a lot of external factors.  Jesus fucking Christ, what the fuck is up with everyone these days?  Are you all PMSing constantly now?

Quote from: Raza  on June 05, 2013, 08:10:57 AM
And I'm saying all automatics do this, some more violently than others depending on a lot of external factors.  Jesus fucking Christ, what the fuck is up with everyone these days?  Are you all PMSing constantly now?

Quote from: SVT666 on June 05, 2013, 08:19:45 AM
No. Automatics do not suddenly jerk forward when you put them in Park and let off the brake.  They gently roll a couple inches, but they don't lurch.  Oh, and fuck you Raza, I know what lurch fucking means. 

You seem to have found a way to be a dick to one of the only people you have never offended on this site.  Congratulations.

Quote from: giant_mtb on June 05, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Then you've driven some fucked up, lurching cars. :huh:

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 05, 2013, 09:51:47 AM
This is almost starting to be as stupid as a hp v. torque argument.

Quote from: Raza  on June 05, 2013, 09:53:46 AM
It all comes down to how people are interpreting a word differently, the very essence of typed miscommunication.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 05, 2013, 10:40:01 AM
The thing is; there's nothing even remotely common that can happen to a transmission that's going to cause a hard lurch after the engine is shut off. It's going to roll a little, even on flat pavement because there's backlash in the drivetrain between the rear brakes and the parking pawl inside the transmission

Quote from: Raza  on June 05, 2013, 09:49:24 AM
All of them? 

What I think we really need is for Morris to come in and fully describe what's happening.  Because there are people on each side, some saying this is normal and some saying it's not.  If he's being thrown violently forward, then I agree, it's not normal.  But if it is what I'm thinking it is, then it is normal. 

Quote from: hotrodalex on June 05, 2013, 10:42:05 AM
No you're wrong it lurched forward violently!!!!!

Quote from: Laconian on June 05, 2013, 11:30:12 AM
I just reminded myself that VQ @ 7k RPM sounds great. It becomes illegal very quickly too. :cry:

Quote from: Laconian on June 05, 2013, 11:30:12 AM
I just reminded myself that VQ @ 7k RPM sounds great. It becomes illegal very quickly too. :cry:

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 05, 2013, 11:29:12 AM
So explain to me where that energy is coming from then.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 05, 2013, 11:49:24 AM
Yeah.  The G is most comfortable cruising at illegal speeds though and that pisses me off.  Governments need to lift limits on Freeways.  It is so buttoned down and handling is superb at like 90 mph.  It almost feels lazy at 60-65 mph.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 05, 2013, 09:51:47 AM
This is almost starting to be as stupid as a hp v. torque argument.

Quote from: MrH on June 05, 2013, 07:17:21 PM
Speaking of which, did you read autoblogs article on the Ford 1.0 liter ecoboost? Hilarious non understanding of HP and torque.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 05, 2013, 11:49:24 AM
Yeah.  The G is most comfortable cruising at illegal speeds though and that pisses me off.  Governments need to lift limits on Freeways.  It is so buttoned down and handling is superb at like 90 mph.  It almost feels lazy at 60-65 mph.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 05, 2013, 08:57:46 PM
Just set the cruise control to 70 dude. Rabbit is the same way. Tickets and wasted gas aren't worth it

Quote from: MrH on June 05, 2013, 07:17:21 PM
Speaking of which, did you read autoblogs article on the Ford 1.0 liter ecoboost? Hilarious non understanding of HP and torque.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 05, 2013, 08:57:46 PM
Just set the cruise control to 70 dude. Rabbit is the same way. Tickets and wasted gas aren't worth it

Quote from: veeman on June 06, 2013, 08:45:26 AM
the problem with high speed is that its only good if everyone driving around you is competent.  even if there were no speed limits, if i find i'm passing up people at 30 miles faster than they're driving, i'm asking for trouble.  it's not enough time to react to someone's idiocy.  then it really becomes, am i the idiot for taking those sort of chances.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 06, 2013, 01:32:49 AM
Yes, mom.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 06, 2013, 08:56:48 AM
For real though, try it.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 06, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Who said anything about doing that?

Quote from: veeman on June 06, 2013, 08:45:26 AM
the problem with high speed is that its only good if everyone driving around you is competent.  even if there were no speed limits, if i find i'm passing up people at 30 miles faster than they're driving, i'm asking for trouble.  it's not enough time to react to someone's idiocy.  then it really becomes, am i the idiot for taking those sort of chances.

Quote from: Raza  on June 06, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
I commiserate with the loss of speed sensation.  Not in my car, obviously, but when I drive my brother's car or my mom's car, I'm doing 100+ and not even realizing it.  When I drove the CLS for the first time, I was flying down the highway fluctuating between 95 and 105, with family fast asleep in the car. 

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 06, 2013, 08:56:48 AM
For real though, try it.

Quote from: GoCougs on June 06, 2013, 09:26:08 AM
Not me. I see no value in road noise, wind noise, or w/e sensation of speed. Give me my quiet.

Quote from: Raza  on June 06, 2013, 09:31:47 AM
If you really value a quiet ride, you should consider a Tesla.   :devil:

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 06, 2013, 08:56:48 AM
For real though, try it.

Quote from: Morris Minor on June 06, 2013, 01:14:12 PM
I took it to the dealer. Told them to keep it overnight and drive it from cold in the morning.

The transmission in the loaner G37 is the way things should be on my car.

Quote from: thecarnut on June 06, 2013, 02:49:23 PM
Oh, so you got a manual transmission loaner? :devil:

Quote from: GoCougs on June 06, 2013, 09:24:18 AM
People aren't idiots and aren't incompetent for not anticipating excessive speed.

Quote from: veeman on June 06, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
driving 50 mph in the passing lane when the posted speed limit is 55 makes them by definition a    motoring idiot. 

not looking in the rear view mirror and side view mirrors as well as monitoring blind spots when changing lanes to look out for faster moving traffic makes them by definition a motoring idiot. 

not using turn signals when there is traffic makes them by definition a motoring idiot. 

swerving in and out of their lanes due to texting makes them by definition a motoring idiot.

driving 80 mph with both hands on the wheel and paying attention to the road and surrounding environment with no fiddling of cell phones or food/liquid beverages and minimal fiddling of the radio in a car with good tires on a highway is safe and should be the modus operandi.

Quote from: veeman on June 06, 2013, 08:45:26 AM
the problem with high speed is that its only good if everyone driving around you is competent.  even if there were no speed limits, if i find i'm passing up people at 30 miles faster than they're driving, i'm asking for trouble.  it's not enough time to react to someone's idiocy.  then it really becomes, am i the idiot for taking those sort of chances.

Quote from: veeman on June 07, 2013, 01:29:49 AM
yeah but there is underlying anxiety in me whenever i approach a pass at more than 10 mph faster than the other car.  it's not a good idea to do that i think. 

Quote from: veeman on June 07, 2013, 01:29:49 AM
yeah but there is underlying anxiety in me whenever i approach a pass at more than 10 mph faster than the other car.  it's not a good idea to do that i think. 

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 07, 2013, 12:28:02 AM
80 to 85 is within the realm I would normally expect to anticipate on a freeway that's not overly congested, and entirely within most people's ability to react to. 120 or over is not.

Quote from: Morris Minor on June 07, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
Infiniti's going to put in a new transmission

Quote from: thecarnut on June 07, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
Well that's disconcerting that you need a new transmission in a 3 year old car.

Quote from: MX793 on June 07, 2013, 12:39:38 PM
Material defects happen.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 07, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
No.  It should have been 100% reliable.

Quote from: MX793 on June 07, 2013, 12:39:38 PM
Material defects happen.

Quote from: SVT666 on June 07, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
No.  It should have been 100% reliable.

Quote from: thecarnut on June 07, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
Well that's disconcerting that you need a new transmission in a 3 year old car.

Quote from: MX793 on June 07, 2013, 10:41:36 AM
You are a scourge to the highway.  I hate people who slow down when overtaking.  It's especially annoying when I'm coming up on a slower car ahead of me and I see a car closing on me in the passing lane.  Seems I often will wait for the car closing from behind me to pass before moving left, so that they don't have to slow on account of me impeding them, only to find that as they get close to overtaking me, they slow down so they are only going slightly faster than me and I'm forced to hit my brakes to keep from running into the back of the car in front of me.  That or I'll be following a car that's going slightly faster than me and when we both come on a semi that's going ~8 mph slower than me (and maybe 10 slower than the car ahead of me), they'll slow down so they're only going 1-2 mph faster than the semi and I'll have to slow down as well.  While I don't recommend blitzing past at 20+ mph faster, the last thing you want to do is dawdle alongside a semi.  The longer you're in their (very large) blindspot, the greater the chances of them changing lanes into you.

Quote from: thecarnut on June 07, 2013, 10:23:07 AM
Then slow down. :huh:

I don't understand this argument.

Quote from: GoCougs on June 07, 2013, 11:01:23 AM
If you're doing 50 or 55 mph, it is too fast for most US drivers. Our roads + driving culture just isn't built for that kind of speed disparity.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 11, 2013, 06:50:09 AM
Generally I am in highway equilibrium when I can maintain a 10-20 MPH difference with regular traffic. When I'm "static" with other cars I feel like I'm not getting anywhere.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 11, 2013, 06:50:09 AM
What are we talking about here

Generally I am in highway equilibrium when I can maintain a 10-20 MPH difference with regular traffic. When I'm "static" with other cars I feel like I'm not getting anywhere.

Quote from: Morris Minor on June 11, 2013, 09:39:28 PM
My preferred margin of illegality is 9-14 over limit. If prevailing traffic is doing that, I'll run with the pack.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 12, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
Yea I generally cap speed to 80 in the car and 90 on the bike.

Quote from: veeman on June 13, 2013, 10:23:16 AM
when i drove my uncle's lexus LS once, i couldn't tell the difference between 85 and 55 mph without looking out the window.

Quote from: Laconian on June 30, 2013, 09:01:45 PM
What is the price difference between the G and the Q?

Quote from: afty on July 01, 2013, 02:31:20 PM
I found it was very difficult to find used 6MT G35/37s, and when you do find one, they tend to cost a bit more as well.  I really enjoy mine though, and I'm glad I bought the manual over the auto.  I find the car much more engaging to drive with a manual, and I really like the transmission.  The shifter has a very direct, mechanical feel that is very satisfying.  I agree that the clutch is awkward, though.

That said, $30k seems like a lot for a used G, even with low miles.  If you have the time, I would wait until a more reasonably priced one pops up.

Quote from: thecarnut on July 01, 2013, 02:36:28 PM
If you don't mind me asking, how much was yours? This one was a 2010 or 2011 (don't remember) and was in great condition other than a few scratches/nicks. There was a new black one available yesterday, but by the time we got back from our test drive it was already sold. :mask:

Anyways, looking on Autotrader, most G 6MT's seem to be going for $27-30k, depending on the miles. My dad said he'd try to talk them into lowering the price if the car is still availabe next weekend. In the mean time, he wants to check out the A4/S4 (there's an S4 that's optioned exactly the way he wants it for a good price, so he's going to check it out this week).

Also, I don't think he has much time. The MDX is getting to barely drivable status. I don't feel safe in it because you have to accelerate extremely slowly, otherwise it'll just start slipping. It won't make it up any hills, either.

Quote from: Raza  on July 01, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Your parents have an unreliable Acura and an unreliable BMW.

Has your dad considered an Avalon?

Quote from: Raza  on July 01, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Your parents have an unreliable Acura and an unreliable BMW.

Has your dad considered an Avalon?

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 01, 2013, 04:18:18 PM
He should get a BRZ.

Quote from: CJ on July 01, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
Tell him to check out the S60 T6 R-Design. Seriously. The Audi is faster, but apparently the S60 is a better driver.

http://youtu.be/0ou34WouliA (http://youtu.be/0ou34WouliA)

Quote from: thecarnut on July 01, 2013, 02:36:28 PM
If you don't mind me asking, how much was yours? This one was a 2010 or 2011 (don't remember) and was in great condition other than a few scratches/nicks. There was a new black one available yesterday, but by the time we got back from our test drive it was already sold. :mask:

Quote from: afty on July 01, 2013, 10:27:18 PM
Mine was $24k but was an '08 and high miles (60k).  I bought in in 2011, so it was fresh off a 3-year lease.  I didn't care that much about the miles since I don't drive very much, and I figured it will probably last longer than I will want to drive it.  It's not like it's a German car that will fall apart right after the warranty expires.    :devil:

Quote from: GoCougs on July 01, 2013, 11:19:13 PM
Dealer sticker on a used car is at best a suggestion. IMO one should automatically presume 15% off sticker.

Quote from: thecarnut on July 01, 2013, 11:21:24 PM
So a $31k G should automatically have $4k taken off?

Quote from: thecarnut on July 05, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
We just checked out a 2010 G37 Special Edition with red leather and all the options. It's an automatic but it had 30k miles and is selling for $30k. The dealer won't budge off that price either and my dad is thinking about just buying it. :facepalm:

Quote from: GoCougs on July 05, 2013, 11:00:15 PM
Nice, but that's not the SE edition, right? Looks like an S...

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 05, 2013, 11:50:23 PM
Hell yeah. That's a beautiful car, man. Congrats and I'm jealous of your dad.

6MT?

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 06, 2013, 12:25:32 AM
So what do you prefer, the G or the 7er? Do not factor in the transmission.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 06, 2013, 06:53:29 AM
Transmission is important!

Quote from: Raza  on July 06, 2013, 09:01:00 AM
Not a bad choice!  DIY transmission ups the cool factor, definitely. 

I wonder if Infiniti will ever be able to lend the G's success to other models.  Even when they sold the Q45, I only saw three of them, including the one my dad test drove.  Ms are rare and FXs have fallen off the face of the planet.  I don't even remember what the Infiniti Armada version was called. 

Quote from: hotrodalex on July 06, 2013, 10:36:18 AM
QX, I think?

Quote from: hotrodalex on July 06, 2013, 10:36:18 AM
QX, I think?

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 06, 2013, 03:41:34 PM
IMO this is CarSPIN's most desirable G. Post-facelift, 6MT, sport package, great color, a sedan. Pretty much my ideal G37.

Quote from: SVT666 on July 06, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Except that it doesn't belong to anyone on the Spin.

Quote from: SVT666 on July 06, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Except that it doesn't belong to anyone on the Spin.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 06, 2013, 04:03:54 PM
I really wish the AWD G sedan was available in 6MT. Of note, the Q50 won't have 6MT in any configuration but will have a worthless "performance" hybrid package available, at least for MY2014. I couldn't be less impressed it. It is also very odd that the car is already at dealer lots yet there has yet to be ONE independent road test.

Quote from: Raza  on July 06, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
Well, even so, the G is lighter, smaller, more agile; can't see how it wouldn't be more fun.  As monstrous as my mom's CLS550 is, my Jetta was still more fun to drive.

Quote from: MX793 on July 07, 2013, 05:29:42 AM
The true drive by wire steering that is reportedly programmed to auto-correct the vehicle's course in cross winds or uneven road surfaces doesn't sound like something I'd want either.

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 06, 2013, 08:56:38 PM
In that case afty wins

Quote from: SVT666 on July 06, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Except that it doesn't belong to anyone on the Spin.

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 06, 2013, 03:41:34 PM
IMO this is CarSPIN's most desirable G. Post-facelift, 6MT, sport package, great color, a sedan. Pretty much my ideal G37.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 06, 2013, 04:03:54 PM
I really wish the AWD G sedan was available in 6MT.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 08, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
Why? Isn't the 7AT faster?

Quote from: hotrodalex on July 19, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
No way those cars can't keep up with you on public roads. Unless you drive like an insane person.

Quote from: hotrodalex on July 19, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
No way those cars can't keep up with you on public roads. Unless you drive like an insane person.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 19, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
Had some guy toying with me in an S5 today. I had my bike and hitch rack on and he still couldn't pull on me despite him trying numerous times. It was the V8 model, so it's a bit slower than the 3.0T, and though he'd get me from a dig if we had the opportunity, from a roll (20 - 80 mph), he couldn't. Also had some guy in a 3er trying to keep with us but no cigar. Kinda funny, he'd do a ricer-esque fly-up (rather than a flyby) - as we'd pull from a light or stop sign the 3er was way way back and when we slowed for traffic or w/e, he'd come up hauling ass onto my rear. Kinda funny but I'd be pissed too in seeing my German "sports" sedan getting lunched by a Nissan with goof bike hanging off the rear.

Quote from: thecarnut on July 19, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
Oh come on, you guys barely ever bat an eye when Raza says he "races" other cars at triple digit speeds but give Cougs shit for doing essentially the same thing?

Not saying I believe either but at least be consistent in your flaming.

Quote from: SVT666 on July 19, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
The 335i and M3 are the only non-F30 3 series' that can beat a G37 is a drag race, but I call shens on the S5.

Quote from: thecarnut on July 19, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
Oh come on, you guys barely ever bat an eye when Raza says he "races" other cars at triple digit speeds

Quote from: thecarnut on July 19, 2013, 08:47:33 PM
I haven't looked up the stats, but a 335i could beat a G37 to 60?

Quote from: hotrodalex on July 19, 2013, 08:59:37 PM
328i is slower, but it's not gonna be "way way back" unless you're really gunning it (or he's not trying).

Quote from: hotrodalex on July 19, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
Cougs said F30.

Times for an E90 328i seem to be a second slower than a G37 (low 6's vs. low 5's). Anything around 6 seconds is quick enough to keep up on public streets. It's not like a Ferrari vs. a Prius.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
Anyone can beat anyone in any car if the person in the faster car is a bad enough driver. I remember long ago I was with my friend in his 2002 Altima V6 4AT while he was trolling the highway looking for a race (we were ~22 at the time). He ran up on an NSX and beat the NSX about 3 times. NSXs are low 13 second cars, dude's Altima was at best a low 14 second car. Winning a street race between 2 cars close in performance is completely a driver's race and more of a reflection of who is crazier.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
It was mid 13s... A/T Altima was mid 14s. Plus at the speeds we were at, NSX had the aero & power advantage, even with the 4AT. Not sure how thats "able to hang" when the F30 328i is closer to the G37 and not in the same league according to you.

More importantly though, street racing is bad, mmmkay?

Quote from: GoCougs on July 20, 2013, 05:31:29 PM
It was your assertion that the Altima was hanging with the NSX, I merely connected dots on how that was quite possible.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 20, 2013, 05:26:15 PM
Wow, MultipostSPIN ;).

F/I advantage increases with elevation, and at 7,000 ft, it becomes substantial - I wouldn't be surprised if an A4 2.0T or GTI outgunned a G37 at those elevations.

It wasn't even "racing" really. We were all following each other on a back country road. It was definitely an F30 but could have been the new 320i.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
Anyone can beat anyone in any car if the person in the faster car is a bad enough driver. I remember long ago I was with my friend in his 2002 Altima V6 4AT while he was trolling the highway looking for a race (we were ~22 at the time). He ran up on an NSX and beat the NSX about 3 times. NSXs are low 13 second cars, dude's Altima was at best a low 14 second car. Winning a street race between 2 cars close in performance is completely a driver's race and more of a reflection of who is crazier.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
It was because my friend was effing nuts. In an impromptu street run the guy with the intent has the upper hand. Plus if you practice street runs you will be better than folks who you catch off guard. I would bet you could beat someone with you behind the wheel of an F30 328 and them behind the wheel of a G37. Its all about the nut behind the wheel on the street. Even at the drag strip someone who doesn't know how to launch is lunch.

QuoteInfiniti is preparing to roll out its hotly anticipated 2014 Q50, a car that not only ushers in a new alphanumeric naming strategy, it ostensibly replaces the G37 as the brand's bread-and-butter sport sedan. That will happen, but not in the short-term, as the G37 will continue to be manufactured and sold alongside the Q50, at least for the rest of this year.

Infiniti spokesman Kyle Bazemore has confirmed to Autoblog that a decision is pending on how long to extend the G37 sedan's production run. "We're taking Q50 up a little bit, and that allows us to keep the G Sedan in the lineup... It [Q50] certainly started as a replacement, but it ended up being much more than that." Confusingly, Infiniti has already announced that the Q50 is to start at $37,605 (including $905 destination charge), yet the 2013 G37 is more expensive, starting at $38,255 delivered according to Infiniti's consumer website. Thus, a price drop on the G37 is likely coming in short order.

So why hold on to the older model? With the Q50 launching exclusively with V6 and Hybrid models (a turbo four and diesel are said to be in the cards down the road), Infiniti evidently feels it is risking leaving lower-end sales on the table. "There's a lot of movement with the [BMW] 320i and such, and this allows us a two-tier strategy to compete," says Bazemore. Keeping the G37 on tap at a lower price for fleet sale duty may also serve to protect the Q50 as it establishes itself on the market.

For the moment, Infiniti is still determining whether to continue G37 sedan production beyond the 2013 model year, and some of that may depend on the arrival time of its new entry-level front-wheel drive model, expected to be dubbed Q30. A decision is likely to be made over the next few weeks. Adding to the confusion, the existing G37 Coupe and Convertible will be immediately rebranded as the 2014 Q60 Coupe and Convertible, even though they won't be based on the new Q50.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 22, 2013, 11:04:47 AM
FINALLY a road test of the Q50 from Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/q50/2014/road-test.html). It's pretty much as I expected - the car might be a bit more upscale and bigger but it doesn't advance the performance of the marque (if Edmunds of all places recognizes a goody tradeoff between ride and handling, there be issues somewhere). What a waste to go through all that effort. The interior sounds lousy with the dual touch screens. Shame, I'm seeing a "New Coke" moment for Infiniti.

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 22, 2013, 11:07:37 AM
For most of the G37's buyers, this'll be a hit.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 22, 2013, 11:04:47 AM
FINALLY a road test of the Q50 from Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/q50/2014/road-test.html). It's pretty much as I expected - the car might be a bit more upscale and bigger but it doesn't advance the performance of the marque (if Edmunds of all places recognizes a goody tradeoff between ride and handling, there be issues somewhere). What a waste to go through all that effort. The interior sounds lousy with the dual touch screens. Shame, I'm seeing a "New Coke" moment for Infiniti.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 22, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
IMO not the current buyers - they're going after the ES350/GS350 crowd.

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 22, 2013, 12:13:14 PM
Fuck this touchscreen craze. I have a touchscreen in my car, and I really hate the thing.

Quote from: Raza  on July 22, 2013, 12:41:36 PM
Your GTI has a touchscreen?  Is it in the nav?

Quote from: GoCougs on July 22, 2013, 12:11:14 PM
The market hasn't spoken though; the Q50 is not released and though Infiniti has surely done market studies plenty of products don't preform as anticipated despite all sorts of research. This is a radically different car than the G37 so thus by definition Infiniti is not targeting the current G37 customer base.

The problem with Infiniti going after the ES350/GS350 crowd is it's never been known for plushness and refinement and from the sounds of it the Q50 doesn't help that reputation. Now add in the now-passe touchscreen interface (dual even!) and you have a car with a confused identity going after a non-existent market.

Quote from: CALL_911 on July 22, 2013, 12:45:10 PM
Yeah, it has an RNS-510
(http://www.yourtechreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GTI_RNS_510_Navigation.jpg)

Quote from: MX793 on July 22, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
The old Q40/Q45 was pretty plush.  I think the old I30/I35 was on the plusher side (more ES like) as well.

Quote from: MX793 on July 22, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
The old Q40/Q45 was pretty plush.  I think the old I30/I35 was on the plusher side (more ES like) as well.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on July 23, 2013, 06:34:08 AM
Yep. Infiniti was generally either plush (Infiniti I, 2nd/3rd gen Qs), lost (1st gen M) or cheap (G20, I, 2nd gen Q, QX4). They only made good on the "Japanese BMW" deals with basically 3 cars (1st gen Q, G, 3rd gen M sedan). That's like a .1 average. Going on history Infiniti doesn't have much of a narrative.

Quote from: afty on July 23, 2013, 02:14:49 PM
I for one have no interest whatsoever in the Q50.  It doesn't do a single thing that I care about better than the G37.  If I were Infiniti, I would be very worried that whoever they built the Q50 for (because it's certainly not current G owners) is not going to be interested either.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 23, 2013, 03:22:50 PM
For quite some time (~10 years at least) the cars haven't been known to be plush and comfy. The cars they make today (esp. the FX and M) certainly aren't.

Quote from: GoCougs on July 27, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
The G has the highest % of a male buyers for entry lux; the Infiniti brand doesn't have the snob appeal that attracts the girls from marketing that BMW 3er, Lexus IS and MB C-class (and precisely why the G25 failed).

Quote from: GoCougs on July 27, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
The G has the highest % of a male buyers for entry lux; the Infiniti brand doesn't have the snob appeal that attracts the girls from marketing that BMW 3er, Lexus IS and MB C-class (and precisely why the G25 failed).

Quote from: Raza  on July 28, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
I always figured girls didn't go for the G because it wasn't very good looking.  Although, the first gen G35 seemed to have a lot of female drivers, just anecdotally.  Now that the G is default choice of the post college fist pumping crowd, I'd imagine it's mostly male drivers. 

Quote from: Raza  on July 28, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
I always figured girls didn't go for the G because it wasn't very good looking.  Although, the first gen G35 seemed to have a lot of female drivers, just anecdotally.  Now that the G is default choice of the post college fist pumping crowd, I'd imagine it's mostly male drivers. 

Quote from: GoCougs on July 28, 2013, 12:26:36 PM
Girls go for cars exactly as they do with shoes and purses - skipping entirely over substance to what they think will make others envious, jealous, etc., or will otherwise make them look trendy, rich, etc. (i.e., they buy a badge). Guys do this too sure, but girls are much worse. With such an undiscriminating fan base + the pyramid scheme of leasing = why ze Germans marques still have customers here despite comical durability, reliability and repair $$$ problems.

Quote from: Raza  on July 28, 2013, 01:44:18 PM
Any explanation to make your decision the best one.  The only thing comical here is you. 

Quote from: GoCougs on July 28, 2013, 12:26:36 PM
Girls go for cars exactly as they do with shoes and purses - skipping entirely over substance to what they think will make others envious, jealous, etc., or will otherwise make them look trendy, rich, etc. (i.e., they buy a badge). Guys do this too sure, but girls are much worse. With such an undiscriminating fan base + the pyramid scheme of leasing = why ze Germans marques still have customers here despite comical durability, reliability and repair $$$ problems.

Quote from: Laconian on July 31, 2013, 05:09:48 PM
Ugh, it's like a new Lexus IS seen through a funhouse mirror...

Quote from: SVT666 on August 02, 2013, 02:13:21 PM
That nose looks exceptionally blunt in that picture.  Not diggin it.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 07, 2013, 08:37:26 PM
Check out the new M/T. They got the 2014 320 hp 330i xDrive to hit 0-60 in 4.4 s and run the 1/4 mile in 13.0 s @ 105 mph. That is some serious performance. Thing is do you want to own that car at 40k, 60k or 80k miles?

Quote from: thecarnut on August 07, 2013, 08:44:44 PM
Meh, I don't really want either of them. I kind of agree with you that this segment kind of blows right now. My favorite interior right now has to be the IS, but god damn I can't get past that horrific front end.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 07, 2013, 07:35:55 PM
Today I took my G in for an oil change, tire rotation and to fix yet another door lock actuator. While there I talked my way into a test drive - today was the first day the Q50 was available for sale and test drive. I ended up with a fully loaded ($57k!) Q50S AWD Hybrid. Thing is this was another sales guy's car so the sales weasel I was dealing had to ride along (none of the cars on the lot were ready to drive - in fact an army of Infiniti techs were there getting the cars prepped). Thus, I couldn't really flog it, but did get a fairly good initial impression:

The good:
1.) Even with the 19" wheels and sport suspension the Q50SH had vastly less road noise and far better ride vs. my non-sport 18" wheel'd G.
2.) The engine is far smoother and quieter (the hybrid uses the 3.5VQ) vs. my G; virtually silent until ~5,500 rpm and then it's only a muted but refined/pleasant growl.
3.) Interior is a bit nicer - softer leather, better plastics (the glove box in my G is now a distinctly different black than the rest of the dash :/), and nicer gauges.

The so-so:
1.) This car had the adjustable electronic steering - can be super tight or super loose. Interesting but not sure I see any real performance/feel advantage.
2.) Feels much more isolated and sanitary WRT the G sedan. Gone is the engine growl and view of the curvaceous fenders from the cockpit.
3.) Tons more tech - multiple parking cameras, lane departure warning, adaptive/reactive cruise control, lane correction, automatic emergency braking, etc.

The bad:
1.) Touch screen interface for radio/HVAC/settings is stupid. At least there are a few physical buttons for basic functions (fan speed).
2.) Each of the three interior interfaces (dash, nav, radio/HVAC/settings) had a different look (brightness, resolution, and shininess) giving an inconsistent visual aesthetic.
3.) Goofy joystick controller for the nav system.

The undecided/unknown:
1.) Overall road presence. The idiot sales weasel kept messing with the different driving modes, which adjust shifting, throttle response, steering feel, etc.
2.) Overall road feel. Hybrids suck with their penchant for regenerating (i.e., not coasting) and start/stopping at random.
3.) AT response. This is a HUGE issue in the G community. Thing is the Q50 hybrid does not use a torque converter. However it works, the AT was much more responsive.

The verdict:
1.) Looks much better in the flesh inside and out than pictures suggest.
2.) Brings much needed (and huge amounts of) refinement to the G but it changes the nature of the car into more of a Lexus GS competitor (softer, refined, toned down).
3.) The multi-screen interior is way overload.

Would I spend ~$50k on a Q50S AWD? At this moment, probably. Though the Q50 has some major detriments (tech overload, no advancement of power train) nothing else in the class is more attractive.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 07, 2013, 08:37:26 PM
Check out the new M/T. They got the 2014 320 hp 330i xDrive to hit 0-60 in 4.4 s and run the 1/4 mile in 13.0 s @ 105 mph. That is some serious performance. Thing is do you want to own that car at 40k, 60k or 80k miles?

Quote from: Raza  on August 08, 2013, 08:14:49 AM

Yes. 

Quote from: hotrodalex on August 08, 2013, 10:30:30 AM
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/05/infiniti-g37-to-live-through-my-2015-sell-alongside-q50/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/05/infiniti-g37-to-live-through-my-2015-sell-alongside-q50/)

Quote from: GoCougs on August 08, 2013, 10:33:18 AM
No, and most don't given the sky turnover (i.e., lease rate) of the BMWs.

Quote from: Tave on August 08, 2013, 12:33:27 PM
Who buys them off lease, Tinkerbell and Winnie the Pooh?

Quote from: thecarnut on August 08, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
That's just going to make the Q50 flop even harder.

Quote from: MX793 on August 09, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
Not sure it will.  They're not offering the entire current G37 lineup.  They've reduced the trims and options to the lower trims of the current car (which also means no MT option since that was only available in the top-of-the-line Sport trim).  I had hoped that by still offering the G37, buyers who prefer to row their own gears would at least still find one vehicle at Infiniti with a good, old-fashioned MT.  Guess not.

EDIT:  It appears that the 6MT option will still be available on the coupe.  However, the "new" Q60 coupe looks to be just a name change to the current G37 coupe rather than a fully redesigned car like with the sedan.

Quote from: thecarnut on August 09, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
The only thing they're killing off is the 6MT sedan. Can't you still get a Journey with the Sport package? Seems like their big sellers will still be sold, and being able to get a G for $8-10k less than a Q would sway a lot of buyers, I'd think.

Quote from: CJ on August 09, 2013, 09:56:50 AM
Rags, you think this segment sucks right now? A 335i doing 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and the 1/4 in 13.0 is seriously fast. These cars are changing for market demands.

Quote from: CJ on August 09, 2013, 09:56:50 AM
Rags, you think this segment sucks right now? A 335i doing 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and the 1/4 in 13.0 is seriously fast. These cars are changing for market demands.

Quote from: MX793 on August 09, 2013, 10:16:45 AM
No.  The only options being offered on the carry-over G37 sedan will be Navi and the Premium package.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 09, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
And AWD too.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 08, 2013, 10:33:18 AM
No, and most don't given the sky turnover (i.e., lease rate) of the BMWs.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 08, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
Yes, Raza.

Quote from: Raza  on August 09, 2013, 02:21:25 PM
Did you "no" my answer to your yes or no question?  And then tell me what other people do as if that's applicable to me?  Also, I have a BMW with 75,000 miles on it right now. Do you think those cars that people turn in on lease just dissolve when they hand the keys back to the dealer?  There's something fucking wrong with you, dude.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 09, 2013, 02:35:36 PM
I don't know now.

That "you" was a universal you, precognitively answered via the already well-known sky-high lease take rates of German luxury marques - like 70%+ for BMW.

The people who matter (i.e., buy the cars new) don't want those cars with 40k+ miles. Surely, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they lease because they can't afford the car but at lot of it has to do with not owning a reliability liability.

Quote from: Raza  on August 09, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
And I'm sure no one even leases Japanese cars to return them when the lease terms are over?  You're a joke.

Quote from: Raza  on August 09, 2013, 02:39:36 PM
I think most people return leases so they can lease a newer car.  People in the lux car market want to have something new so they can shove it in other people's faces.

Quote from: hotrodalex on August 09, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
Because new is better. Can't be seen in last year's model.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 09, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
False. People lease because they can't afford the cars and don't want to own a car past its warranty period.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 09, 2013, 10:57:30 AM
The 335ix is only one of dozens of iterations of the class. The rest of the class doesn't come close to that level of performance...

Quote from: GoCougs on August 09, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
False. People lease because they can't afford the cars and don't want to own a car past its warranty period.

Quote from: GoCougs on August 09, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
False. People lease because they can't afford the cars and don't want to own a car past its warranty period.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 11, 2013, 06:26:32 PM

Latter is true, former is questionable

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 11, 2013, 08:42:20 PM
WTF, just looked at infiniti's site. They pulled a GM and placed the Q cheaper than an M even though I assume it's the meant to be the top sedan in their lineup? Please tell me the didn't go all the way and make it maxima based.

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 11, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
Stupid Infiniti, they were actually starting to dig themselves out and make some sense and develop some brand recognition. Chopping and changing shit up isn't going to help and is what has given cadillac problems for decades.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 11, 2013, 09:25:53 PM
Cadillac's problem was lackluster cars. Their naming conventions were stable for a long, long time: and never this confusing.

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 11, 2013, 09:30:29 PM
Stable for a long time? Not really, they just sold the same model for 13 years with no updates. They still dropped or changed the name each(or every other) time they did a redesign. And yes, their cars sucked.

Still it's important to keep a model around and gain equity in it, even if it wasn't the best CAR in it's class at the time. The G has a few generations under it's belt. It holds a visible place in the entry lux segment. It's foolish to reorginize, even what BMW is doing now is stupid. They have the market presence to do that, Infiniti doesn't and should have kept their current naming convention.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on August 11, 2013, 09:53:52 PM
Ehh, they had the Deville: changed it to the DTS. Same story with the rest of their cars basically. A few years ago they added the "V-series" stuff. I don't see that as a lot of change.

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 11, 2013, 09:58:52 PM
They had the deville, changed it to dts, dropped the line, resurfaced as the xts(or whatever). I'm sure the xts will be renamed in the next redesign. Compare that to some mainstream and other luxury brands that have had ONE model name for a segment in the same time span as the above.

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on August 11, 2013, 09:18:44 PM
So... the Q50 is the next g sedan?

WTF, so the numerical aspect of the name does NOT represent engine size?

Quote from: CALL_911 on August 11, 2013, 09:55:36 PM
Saw a Q50 today. Quite a good looking car, I'm sure it'll do very well. I don't like Infiniti's stupid new naming scheme, but the car itself is nice- way nicer than the G37, imo.


That said, personally, I don't want one as much as I would like a G37.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 12, 2013, 05:11:51 AM
Cant knock Infiniti for trying to become more profitable

Though again pretty fucking stupid to throw all that brand equity out the window... Acura did the same when they went alphanumeric and I'm not sure they ever recovered

Quote from: thecarnut on August 12, 2013, 08:49:57 AM
Acura went alphanumeric in the early/mid '90's... the names weren't the problem, the lack of RWD/V8 and a flagship car and fugly styling hurt them the most.

Quote from: 2o6 on August 12, 2013, 09:09:53 AM

I wouldn't even say the lack of RWD V8, but the fact that they started sharing more and more both visually and mechanically with Honda.


I mean the old Legend and Vigor were FWD, but very different from the Accord. The Integra was Civic based, yes, but bigger and nicer. Then they started to mirror Honda products too much.....and now they're just hideous and not special.

Quote from: thecarnut on August 12, 2013, 10:22:12 AM
Nah, I don't think so. Not to derail the thread even more, but the other than the ILX and TSX (which isn't even available here as a Honda Accord), there aren't any others that share a ton with Hondas. Sure, there's the MDX/Pilot, but that's their high volume seller, so you can't attribute Acura's failure to that. The RDX, TL and RLX all don't really have equivalents in the Honda line other than sharing the same engine architecture as some of the Hondas. It's more of the horrible styling and FWD basis (TL is pretty much ugliest in class and only still FWD car in class as well) or being super uncompetitive (RLX) that's killing them. They need something to at least compete with the midsize end of the luxury market (5/A6 competitor), even if they don't have a big RWD/V8 S/7/A8 competitor.

Quote from: Raza  on August 12, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
RWD doesn't mean anything anymore.  Everyone is convinced that they need AWD or they'll die.  Lexus dealers, for example, doesn't even stock RWD cars when AWD is available in certain parts of the country.  When my brother was looking at a GS, the only way to get a RWD one was to dealer trade with another dealer hundreds of miles south of here. 

Quote from: Raza  on August 12, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
RWD doesn't mean anything anymore.  Everyone is convinced that they need AWD or they'll die.  Lexus dealers, for example, doesn't even stock RWD cars when AWD is available in certain parts of the country.  When my brother was looking at a GS, the only way to get a RWD one was to dealer trade with another dealer hundreds of miles south of here. 

Quote from: GoCougs on September 04, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
The last 3 weeks or so I've been getting noticeably better mileage - from 19-20 up to 21-22 in 70/30 highway/city driving. I've sampled at least three different gas stations so it's probably not ethanol related.

I've actually been thinking about replacing the G. Though it's got a monster engine and good AWD system the AT is sorta sucky and the lack refinement is starting to bother me. Thing is at present there is no viable replacement save for MAYBE the S4, and it's slated to be replaced soon...

Quote from: GoCougs on September 05, 2013, 09:28:21 AM
Still in the 70s and 80s here (well, not today). I wasn't getting this mpg in the spring and early summer, in notably colder temps.

Golf R would be a downgrade in performance and older cars are a no-go.

Quote from: Raza  on September 05, 2013, 09:39:32 AM
Downgrade in performance, on paper, sure.  But it would be without a doubt more fun.

Quote from: hotrodalex on September 05, 2013, 01:05:24 PM
I think a 335i is almost a second quicker to 60 than a 535i.

Quote from: GoCougs on September 05, 2013, 02:31:59 PM
Easy, guys. Don't want to turn this into a tell-me-what-I-should-buy-but-I'm-really-not-looking sort of threads.

Quote from: GoCougs on September 04, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
The last 3 weeks or so I've been getting noticeably better mileage - from 19-20 up to 21-22 in 70/30 highway/city driving. I've sampled at least three different gas stations so it's probably not ethanol related.

I've actually been thinking about replacing the G. Though it's got a monster engine and good AWD system the AT is sorta sucky and the lack refinement is starting to bother me. Thing is at present there is no viable replacement save for MAYBE the S4, and it's slated to be replaced soon...

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 05, 2013, 04:42:11 PM
If its up for replacement thats all the more reason to buy it. Big discounts and all the bugs will be worked out. Unless you are one of those weirdos who cant bear not being in the latest/greatest :lol:

Quote from: CALL_911 on September 05, 2013, 05:20:43 PM
Wouldn't you be buying the DSG anyway?

Quote from: GoCougs on September 05, 2013, 05:35:27 PM
Would have to think about it; I'd say 45% chance. Not sure I'd trust it past 50,000 miles, and it's major $$$ to replace clutches or replace wholesale.

Quote from: MX793 on September 05, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
Wet plate clutches can take a hell of a lot of slipping and abuse without wearing out.

Quote from: hotrodalex on September 05, 2013, 09:20:25 PM
Clutch replacement is better than entire AT replacement/rebuild. :huh:

Quote from: GoCougs on September 05, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
But they are still clutches, and the S4 is a heavy, powerful AWD car.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2013, 05:41:44 AM
If the clutches are a known wear item, they will make them easy to replace. Otherwise they might make them lifetime items (i.e. like the clutches in an A/T). Either way it's not that big a deal, and if it is just be a man and buy stickshift

Quote from: MX793 on September 06, 2013, 03:07:47 PM
Other than starting from a stop, when do they ever experience any real slip?  And when would said slippage be any worse than what a traditional manual's dry clutch experience?

Quote from: GoCougs on September 06, 2013, 03:26:42 PM
Any time a clutch engages or disengages it will experience a bit of wear. Also, pretty much any car with a DSG will have a launch control algorithm, which is a major wear event.

Quote from: MX793 on September 06, 2013, 03:07:47 PM
Other than starting from a stop, when do they ever experience any real slip?  And when would said slippage be any worse than what a traditional manual's dry clutch experience?

Quote from: MX793 on September 06, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
Most automakers don't offer launch control in the US market on their DSGs.  And, again, when will the slippage in a DSG be any worse than what a traditional manual with a dry clutch experiences during a hard launch or during a shift?

Quote from: Laconian on September 07, 2013, 06:33:20 PM
Rattles are measured in Hertz. The irony!

Quote from: SVT666 on September 07, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
What the fuck is happening to your car?  I have yet to develop any of these rattles or noises you keep talking about.

Quote from: hotrodalex on September 07, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Maybe he has super hearing and/or is a lot more anal about it than you are.

Quote from: hotrodalex on September 07, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Maybe he has super hearing and/or is a lot more anal about it than you are.

Quote from: Laconian on September 09, 2013, 05:07:46 PM
Apparently my front rotors warped (!!) due to overheating.

Covered under warranty, and they're installing cooling baffles to help mitigate the overheating problem, but still, unusual.

Quote from: SVT666 on September 09, 2013, 09:46:02 PM
I have managed to break all 4 tires loose in wet corners.  Even then it takes a lot of effort on the driver's part. 

I got an app that measures 0-60 mph times using the phones GPS.  It seems pretty accurate and I did 3 runs in a row and I ran 5.6 seconds twice and a 5.8 seconds the other time.  There is of course no way to account for the 1 foot rollout, but Edmunds usually finds it accounts for 0.2 seconds.  3rd gear is relatively tall compared to 2nd and I really noticed a drop off in acceleration when it shifts up.  1st and 2nd are short enough though.

Quote from: Laconian on September 09, 2013, 10:02:54 PM
What's the name of the app?

Quote from: 2o6 on September 09, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
On a side note, we got a G35x on trade at my job.



A compact flash reader? Really, Infinti? That media was played out by the time this car was on sale (2009).

Quote from: SVT666 on September 09, 2013, 09:46:02 PM
I have managed to break all 4 tires loose in wet corners.  Even then it takes a lot of effort on the driver's part. 

I got an app that measures 0-60 mph times using the phones GPS.  It seems pretty accurate and I did 3 runs in a row and I ran 5.6 seconds twice and a 5.8 seconds the other time.  There is of course no way to account for the 1 foot rollout, but Edmunds usually finds it accounts for 0.2 seconds.  3rd gear is relatively tall compared to 2nd and I really noticed a drop off in acceleration when it shifts up.  1st and 2nd are short enough though.

Quote from: 2o6 on September 09, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
On a side note, we got a G35x on trade at my job.



A compact flash reader? Really, Infinti? That media was played out by the time this car was on sale (2009).

Quote from: Raza  on September 09, 2013, 11:02:02 PM
One of the guys at work as an FX, which is even newer than that, and it still has a CF reader. 

Quote from: GoCougs on September 09, 2013, 11:13:14 PM
Which app is it? Sounds a bit slow actually.

Quote from: GoCougs on September 10, 2013, 12:17:29 AM
And the app?

Quote from: GoCougs on September 10, 2013, 08:59:36 AM
Hmmm. A lot of these apps use GPS - do not want an app logging/tracking my acceleration runs...

Quote from: GoCougs on September 10, 2013, 08:59:36 AM
Hmmm. A lot of these apps use GPS - do not want an app logging/tracking my acceleration runs...

Quote from: GoCougs on September 10, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
In case you two turkeys haven't noticed the US government(s) pretty much as its hands in ALL centrally stored data and communication, and a lot of the activity done with this app would be illegal if not infractionist.

Quote from: Laconian on September 10, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
Still have G37x for day two. I feel like I'm sitting up too high when I drive it.

Quote from: Laconian on September 10, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
Still have G37x for day two. I feel like I'm sitting up too high when I drive it.

Quote from: Raza  on September 10, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
I feel that way getting in any regular car.  Parked next to a G37S coupe the other day and couldn't get over how massive it is.

Quote from: Raza  on September 10, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
I feel that way getting in any regular car.  Parked next to a G37S coupe the other day and couldn't get over how massive it is. 

Quote from: SVT666 on September 10, 2013, 11:16:06 AM
Can you lower the seat?  There should be no difference between the cars.